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united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. on the show today, shut down the border, ban muslims from entering the united states. that was donald trump's call this week and it shook the united states and the world. remember, trump is not alone. populous and nationalists are gaining ground in europe. >> total and complete shutdown. >> we have witnessed former minister to talk about it. also, you've heard a lot about people who want to come to america from syria and iraq, but have you ever met a refugee? i will introduce you to one. >> i want to live in freedom, and i want to live in some place that it's safe. finally, what is the cure
for climate change? how about gondolos in the sky. i'll explain. first, here's my take. i think of myself first and foremost as an american. i'm proud of that identity because as an immigrant, it came to me through deep conviction and hard work not the accident of birth. i also think of myself as a husband, a father, a guy from india, journalist, new yorker and on good days maybe an int intellectual. i must embrace another, i'm a muslim. i'm not a practicing muslim. i'm completely secular in my out look. as i watch the way in republican candidates are dividing america, i realize it's important to acknowledge the religion into which i was born. yet that identity doesn't fully represent me or my views. i'm appalled by donald trump's
bigotry not because i'm a muslim but because i'm on american. it's diaries from the 1930 describes how he, a german jew despised hitler. he tried to convince people that he did so as a german. it was his german identity that made him see nazism as a travesty. in the end, he was seen solely as a jew. this is the real danger of trump's rhetoric. it forces people who wants to assimilate and see themselves as having multiple identities into a single box. the effects of this rhetoric have poisoned the atmosphere. muslim americans are more fearful and will isolate themselves more. the broader community will know them less and trust them less.
a downward spiral of segregation will set in. i asked an immigrant how their experiences differed. he said over here, in norway, i'll always be a muslim or a moroccan but my brother is already an american. once you start labeling an entire people by characteristsic like race and religion and see the whole group as suspect, tensions will build. in a poignant article, the washington post interviewed marine gunnery sergeant, a refugee from bosnia who explained how the brutal civil war between religious communities began in the balkans in the 1990s. i know how these things work when you start whipping up
mistrust between your neighbors and friends. i've seen them turn on each other. i remain an optimist. trump has taken the country by surprise. people don't know how to respond to the vague unworkable proposals. we have to do something, he he has. the phony statistics, the dark insinuations of conspiracies. there's something he don't know about president obama and the naked appeals to people's prejudices. people from all side aren't condemning trump. the country will not stay terrified even after san bernardino, the number of americans killed by islamic terrorists on u.s. soil in the 14 years since 9/11 is 45. that's an average of three people a year. number killed in gun homicides this year alone will be around
11,000. in the end, america will reject this fear mongering as it has in the past. we're going through an important test of political and moral character. i hope decades from now people will look back and ask what did you do when donald trump proposed religious tests in america? for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my post. let's get started. donald trump is not an isolated phenomenon in america. the first round of regional elections in france last sunday, the party received the highest
percentage of votes. the nation votes today in the second round. hungary, poland, finland all have seen a move to the nationalist right. what does it mean, and how will it end? joining me is the french philosopher. here with me in new york, david millibrand and ian. bernard, what do you make of these extraordinary results where they have won in the 6 of the 13 regions of france? >> i think it would be denied today at the second round. they made big result of the first round. i don't feel it will be consolidated this time. there's been a huge campaign all during the week on the left, on the right. the french right has it at the
end of the day that these people were their worst enemies and my police chi belief is that the voters have begun to understand it. she will not make such a good score this sunday. that's my bet. >> you were part of the movement with tony blari where it seemed the center had come to dominate? >> i think the populism is strong when the center right and center left are weak. if you look at david cameron, center right, they have enough territory to provide answers to the problems of the modern
world. those movements are weak then there's room for extremes to come in. i think that's what's happening in france and the u.s. >> there are people who will say where it explains that trump is all obama's fault. the rise of all the stuff in europe is somehow the fall of the european establishment. is there -- were there miscal ruelatio -- miscalculations that opened up ground? >> it's all spilling over into europe is proximate cause. it's not just about the comparative weakness or strength of the middle. even you can drag the middle
towards the left or the right to deal with these questions also. after the paris attacks i have to say it was the most divisive response in a developed state to a national cataclysm that i've ever seen in 30 years of being a political scientists. following san bernardino in the united states we've had the same level of divisiveness and polarity even though in the u.s. will end up with another more centrist president in 2017. the issue will be more dominant. >> bernard, in france, do you have a sense that does seem to be whether or not the national fund wins in this round today. it does feel like nationalism is on the rise and very strong movements against immigrants and
muslims. all the stuff. where will this go? >> of course, there is this movement and this reactionary trend. it is not as strong as people say. the people of paris, the people of france has reacted with some cold blood to the attacks to the recent attacks. i did not see any thing good in attack on simple muslim people. >> don't go away. we'll be right back. when we come back we'll talk about what the rest of the world thinks of the trump phenomenon. s when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast,
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world, you travel a lot. what do they think of trump? >> there's no yquestion he's considered a cloud. clouds have been elected before. in britain we have jeremy corbin. you don't have a lot of people saying they will bet or not on the united states on the result of the 2016 election. what you see is an understanding that while the united states was seen to be sort of immune to these problems of visceral nationalism over the past decade while it was growing in europe. you're seeing that washing up onto american shores. the extraordinary reaction to trump's suggestion that you would have a temporary ban on all muslims enter the country and the tepid response from republicans and the mixed response from americans across the political spectrum, that
comes as a deep and stark surprise to most that are very concerned about where america is. what america stands for. does it not only export its values and does it want to but does it live up to them at home? i think that's the question. when you see the brits cozying up to the chinese or the french saying we'll work closely with russians. you see the transatlantic relationship is really falling apart. this is the relationship that's underpinned the global order over many decades now. >> david, what do you make of trump? >> i think for someone like me who is running a humanitarian agency including resettling about 10,000 refugees it's
repellant to say the most fundamental value is it helps people irrespective of their religion is very striking. i would say it's important not to dismiss this as clownish behavior, it's all dangerous. it feeds into the narrative that we don't want. it feeds into a narrative for those who would threaten society multireligious like the u.s. i think it's very, very important that a country that has become great because of its openness to the world doesn't understood mine precisely the factors that have contributed to its success. the u.s. does have quite a lot to teach europe and the rest of the world in this fashion. i think there's a real fear around the world, that it will turn its back on that, if not in the refugee area, in the general turning away when there needs to be a strengthening of the global
order. >> bernard, you've been tough on the issue of jihad and jihadi culture and behavior. the french prime minister has been tough. you really think it plays into the narrative, the isis narrative? >> when you look at the trump phenomenon and when you are friend and then admirer of america, as i am, as most people are. number one, you are sad forever again for the american dream, for the shining city upon the hill. donald trump does not have the dignity to embody that in any way. they were grand people.
the idea that these people could be there man who looks like being drunk, each time he goes on tv or make a speech is so disgusting. number three, my feeling is that if i were a jihadist, an advisor of mr. putin, i would pray all, every day for donald trump winning the primary and maybe winning the election for all the enemies of america, it would be a blessing to have mr. donald in the office, in the power. it will be a blessing for them. they pray for that every day. for all those who have a high idea of america, it is a nightmare. you, american people, have to get away from this nightmare as
soon as possible. that's my opinion. >> david, when you watch this kind of femaphenomenons, what ie best way for republicans. what's the way you deal with somebody like him? i ask this watching the press. nobody quite knows how to deal with him. he makes up phony statistics or he'll say something that is blatantly untrue. here he is running for president. how do you get your arms around that? >> it may be fascinating to say it but the only way to fight anger is with answers. serious politicians who expect to exercise power and want to exercise power need answers. i think that in that sense it's important to keep a sense of perspective. i think about 20% of the american population are registered or likely republican voters. many trump has a third of the 20%. it's important to keep
perspective. the majority of the minority doesn't make a majority. you have to keep faith that the fact that the common sense that the clear articulation of an alternative agenda does hold the affection and loyalty of the people who want to advance the country. the worst thing is to run in the slip stream of extremism because that only feeds it. >> do you think trump could win the nomination? >> i think it's very unlikely. in the past week trump has dominated the air waves without spending a single dollar. precisely to those that are saying that they are likely trump voters, there are more
women than men. they are not just republicans. we have to recognize that. 60% of those republicans is not just trump. it's carson and cruz as well. there's extraordinary antipathy toward the establishment of all stripes. that is new in america, and it's not going away. >> thank you very much. on tuesdayon can hear from donald trump and his fellow contenders. tuesday evening at 6:00 and 8:30 eastern. viva chavez. >> i told you before how the strongman's policies brought economic ruin to venezuela. it's not just venezuela. it turns out it might be over. ♪ (woman) one year ago
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in parliament. the first nationwide loss in 17 years. the opposition will now have the power to change the constitution and arrest power away from his lacklustered successor. in brazil, mass protests have dogged left wing president dilma along with a 10% approval rating. she now faces impeachment. leftist leaders were once popular so why the dramatic about face. it's simple. they have run their economies into the ground. as the wall street journal pointed out chavez and other populist came to power at the start of the a huge boom in the commodities market. they made mountains of cash from selling products like oil, livestock and minerals and helping many out of poverty. they also ran huge deficits and
became hot beds of corruption. now that the boom times are over, the economies are spiraling down. as the german points out argentina's economy is expected to grow less than 1% this year. they will decline 3% continuing its worst recession since the 1930s. the financial times says. venezuela is in class by itself expected to plummet 10% this year with sky high inflation and market shelves bare. one of the worst performing economies in the world. can this decline be stopped? argentina's new president said he will make piece with the creditors and improve trade relations with united states and europe. brazil's president promised to enact structural reforms. little has happened since then. new victors in venezuela could have a tougher way forward.
he will do his best to hold onto power. having avoided reforms for so long, the task is much more difficult now. the err era of false promises s over. in the long run, that will help hundreds of millions of south americans. next on gps, there's a lot of talk in america around the world about syrian refugees, iraqi refuge refugees, but have you ever met one? in a moment you will.
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followers. he's the creator of that feed. the author of two best selling books of the same name. for more than a week now he has been posting a series of pictures and stories of refugees. brandon joins me now. in turkey we are joined by a woman whose pictures and stories he started posting. he asked to take his picture and posted the picture of him and his son on humans of new york. that has no bearing on his invitation to join me today. brandon, why are you doing this? why are you posting these stories of refugees? >> i had just kind of stopped random people on the streets of new york city. i found that through interviewing people i've been able to travel other countries and meet people there and tell their stories. the population of people i've been most drawn to are the stories of refugees.
i've done two different trips. i interviewed refugees going across europe. i went to jordan and turkey and interviewed refugees approved for resettlement in america. the tragedy of their stories has been eye opening to me. it's a story i want to tell to my audience. >> you were seven years old l e living in iraq when the iraq war began. what was that war like for you as a 7-year-old? what do you remember of it? >> actually, it was like that feeling for seven years old girl to see that war in this age. actually, maybe i can't explain it by words. it was really awful. a lot of people dying every single day and guns and bombs
and everything. it was really horrible thing to see. >> tell me about how you lost your friend to a bomb, your best friend. >> i hate to remember it. it was really horrible day for me because i lost my best friend in it. i just remember that she was screaming of pain, and i couldn't do something. there's some woman just take me out because i was crying that day. they just told me i should go outside and not be in there. >> then you see more violence with your father. you see car explode in front of you. what was that like? >> i remember that it was like an action movie but in the real life and horror movie in the
same time. everyone was screaming and running out and some people on the floor and some legs and hands and heads. my father just go from the car and me and my father was just looking if there's anyone life there. you can't imagine that. it's like titanic but it's in the streets. we were saying that is there anyone alive. everyone was just like there's no sound. i told there's no more life now. we just find some people who are alive and took them to the hospital. >> you went to syria. what happened in syria? >> yeah, i went to syria. actually, in syria the life was really easy and everything was really amazing. the people was really kind.
i didn't feel that i'm a refugee there. i'm not strange. i can speak the same language. i can do the same traditional thing. it's the same thing. it was really amazing life in syria. >> then the civil war began in syria and there are tanks on the street and you have to run away from syria. >> we just left everything and one more time, we just left everything. we come to a new country. >> now you're in turkey. what is life like? >> actually, at the first i hated life in turkey because it's a new country. new language and new people. i can't go to school because i can't speak turkish. something like this -- the
situation was really hard. everything is different. it's really new life for me. >> you applied for refugee status in america, and one day you thought that you had been accepted because they updated the website and said that. what did that make you feel like? >> it was amazing moment i will not ever forget it. it's meaning that i will go, i will do everything to go there. it's my dream because my mom was talking a lot about united states. it's a good country. it's the country of dreams. if you work hard you'll have everything. i just thought that this is the life that i want. my dream come true. it was amazing moment that i will not ever forget in my life.
i was just dancing with my family. it was amazing night. >> that isn't the end of it. the story does not quite have the happy ending you think it does. >> when that let letter comes, i just feel bad. i can't dream anymore. >> when we come back. an heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast, as fast as two and a half days when used at the first sign. learn how abreva starts to work immediately at abreva.com don't tough it out, knock it out, fast. with abreva. ♪
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we are back with brandon stanton. she now lives in turkey. she's 20 years old and supports her entire family as an interpreter. she says she received notification that she had been accepted to come to the united states, but then a few months later something happened. she picks up the story right there. >> we were being ready to go there and even we take our bags and everything and buy some new clothes and everything. after that, in december, in the
mail they sent us that message that destroy my dream, i can say. telling that you had rejected. you're not getting to go to united states of america. it's not just for me. it's for my family. it was really bad news to hear because we had that hope that we're going to go to new life to the country that we're dreaming in it. there's my end and we are going to live happy life and everything. i feel bad. i can't dream anymore. >> what would you say to americans who worry that too many people are coming in from outside and they worry about this large number of refugees?
>> well, actually, not all of the american thinking in the same time. i just can say that we're running away from war. we are not going to be dangerous in your country. we just want to live in peace and we want to live that good life. we want to work. we want to study. we are really normal human beings. horrible things in our life. when some person does a bad thing, that doesn't mean all the people are doing the same thing. we should just say that it's individual things. it's not all the muslims people or not all the arabic people are bad people. we have the bad people and the good people like american people. it's everywhere in the world. we have the bad guys and the
good buys. there's really good human beings. they just need to come to your country and start a new life, to start a new hope. >> why is your english so good? where did you learn english? >> my english when i was six or seven years old i was loving hollywood and los angeles and new york and i was like watching movies and listening to music and when the american come to our country i was talking with the americans like soldiers. i was doing that practice with them when the other people scared and afraid from them. i was running out and just telling them i want to practice. can you help me? there were really nice people. i just like discovered they are human being like us. they are lovely people. i can speak with them. i can do my practice with them. that's fine.
from there i get my english. >> what would you do if you did come to america? >> i hope that i can do something really useful for all the human beings. maybe i can open an organization or work for this. i will be volunteer. i will help all the people. that's what i'm going to do. i want to live in freedom and i want to live in some place that it's safe. i want to study. i want to work in legal way. i want to travel. i want to have that support to tell the people that i am want to be proud of saying that i have that country's citizenship and for sure america is my dream. i was dreaming all the time i will be that american citizenship some day. >> what will happen if you don't manage to get to america?
>> i will be lost like now. i will be human being without dream. i will say like this, i will be lost all the time. >> you told me when you would hear about the small number of refugees who were allowed into the united states, you were struck by how each one really, the only ones who got in had almost heartbreaking stories of suffering and hardship. >> there are millions of refugees. the united states is taking 10,000. they have the luxury of saying no to almost every one. they don't need a reason to say no. they don't need for someone to be a security threat to say no.
they can say no for anything. i interviewed 12 families. the 12 families in turkey and jordan that were going to america that were willing to be interviewed. they all either had an extreme physical handicap in the family or a phd. that's how selective we're being. because of that, people like her who is one of most human beings i've ever met and she's done everything right, she's done everything right. she did it the legal way and she applied and has nowhere to go and they're telling her no. what's going to happen to her? >> brandon, thank you very much. . and my brother ray and i started searching for answers. (vo) when it's time to navigate in-home care, follow that bright star. because brightstar care earns the same accreditation as the best hospitals.
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challenge question is c. istanbul is the most congested. mexico city officials have an unusual idea for one way to deal with the terrible congestion rate. the solution isn't to reduce the number of cars on the road by increasing subways and buses. it's a loftier goal. imagine how you would feel is you could soar above all the r cars stopped below. elevated gondolas would allow the citizens to do just that. take a look at the system. as you can see from the model these fit two passengers. they can change direction on the track. in fact, commuters can save time by stopping only at their destination unlike a subway or
bus. a ten mile system could transport 200 million passengers a year, the government says. >> if it works, it can become an overall frequent way of transportation across the entire city and many other cities in mexico. >> mexico even developed this $2.4 million prototype to demonstrate how it would work. it would be cheaper than building a subway and cheaper to run the bus or subway. it's an interesting plan if funds can be raised. this year mexico pledged to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 22% by 2030. for mexico and other developing countries to actually hit the
targets that they have outlined, it will take a lot more than a few admittedly nifty technologies. thank you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. good morning. it's time for reliable sources. our weekly look at the story behind the story of how news and pop culture get made. we're coming to you live this morning from the vegas strip. two days before the next cnn republican debate. let's take a live look inside the theater. the stage look like it's almost read for the bakers dozen of candidates who will be squaring off in two separate debates. it's a majestic room for this debate. cnn has something called the cone of silence. it's a room where the moderators, questioners, researchers all write questions and