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int caram caramella. >> people would comment how gorgeous she was and as soon as they heard about her legs or handicap they lost interest. >> knowing it was a perfect mat match, the woman immediately gave the dog to tianna and her sister. >> she's still fun to play with even though her legs don't work. >> how is this christmas better than the others? >> the best. >> so beautiful. thanks chris. >> time now for newsroom with carol costello. >> thanks so much. have a great day. newsroom starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we do begin with breaking news. more than two weeks after 14 people were gunned down during an isis inspired shooting spree
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in southern california, federal prosecutors are expected to file charges against one of the attackers friends. sources telling cnn charges against 24-year-old enrique marquez will likely be based on allegations he brought two automatic rifle, semi automatic rifles, that were used no those brutal killings. evan perez has more the tails. >> enrique has been cooperating with the fbi and doing interviews pretty much daily for over a week now. and as you said these charges that we expect to be announced in los angeles later today are going to be based on the fact that he bought two ar-15 style rifles for syed farook. he's told investigators that one reason he bought the rifles was farook was trying to avoid attention. he already owned three firearms and he was essentially trying toe vad another background
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check. and unfederal law that is a vielgsz. so we don't know exactly all the charges he's going to be facing. as part of the cooperation he's been giving the fbi, part of the information he's been giving is that he's described a lot about farook. including they came up with a plot in 2012 and ended up not carrying out. we don't know how close they got it exactly. and we also know that he says and he and farook made pipe bombs as a hobby back in the day. he even boasted to the fbi that the if he had made these pipe bombs that were found there that they would probably have gone off. a lot of the information he's given to the fbi, we don't know how much they have checked out. they are working to corroborate what he's been saying. >> there are a lot of confusing things surrounding the charges. the gun charges pretty easy to understand. because you can't sell a firearm to someone else without them
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going through a background check. that is illegal in the state of california. >> right. so what happens -- good morning carol, good morning evan. it could be that these are charges that just are predicated upon the purchasing. and he's a straw purchaser. you are purchasing with no intent to use but you are giving it to someone else. and remember the person you give to, you can gift firearms. it's complicated. i wouldn't recommend it. gave gift card and let the person purchase it on their own. remember, as evan spoke though, he's been questioned by the fbi for a period of time. so we don't know specifically what he's been telling the fbi concerning his knowledge. they are childhood friends. he himself converted to muslim. fine, people do that. but what was his intent in doing it? and what did he know with regard to the purchase of the firearms how they will be used? he spoke to the issue of the
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plot previously. you are purchasing weapons for someone. you have possibly negative intentions in doing so. and. >> it was a plot never carried out. it didn't apply to this san bernardino plot as far as we know. so won't conspiracy charges be tough to file then? >> maybe not though. because again, we don't know specifically whether he's been saying to the fbi. now obviously it is not advisable as the defense attorney to go in and speak to the fbi. that is the first mistake. but if he is, what information is he given concerning what he knew about the san bernardino incidence. was he involved in anyway. did he assist in anyway. and that of course can elevate the charges and make things much more problematic. >> this guy checked himself into a mental facility right after the shootings happened. what was that about? >> i expect that is going to be a big part of this. i think one of the things he's done is checked himself into a
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mental health facility right after the attacks. he said he was upset by that. he claims he had nothing do with plotting the san bernardino attacks. didn't know about it in advance. obviously the fact he brought the firearm is enough trouble for him. he waived his miranda rights. we know he's been very cooperative. the problem for the fbi probably is going to be the fact that i can can see a lawyer certainly saying he checked into a mental health institution. so he's not completely culpable here. >> yeah but you did this at that point. to what extent did you check yourself in at some prior time? is this something you are using a as the manner and measure of convenience. >> i know that you have a more breaking news evan. take it away. >> we have information carol that the investigators in the paris attacks have found that the attackers -- some of the attackers were using encrypted
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apps to communicate during the time they were plotting the attacks. that is a very key thing. we've known, for instance, they have found on cell phones recovered that they had found these apps. and one of the things people have been hesitating to say is whether or not they believe these were used in the plotting. and it is a key thing. specifically because the apps we're talking about, a couple in particular, whatsapp and telegram, are apps isis has been encouraging supporters to use. and we now know they believe these apps were used in the plotting and there were other things they did to try to preserve the fact people didn't know what they were doing. and you had belgian and french citizens went back and couldn't
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be detected because they used fake documents. so they did a lot of things to hide. encryption isn't the entire story but at least part is now the focus on encryption. something the fbi director jim comey has been talking about and authorities in france and elsewhere also pushing these issues to be revolved. the pentagon is defending secretary ash carter this morning for using his personal e-mail on the job. carter has stopped such use of his personal e-mail and further limited his use of e-mail altogether, a statement from the pentagon. joe johns joins us with more on this. >> good morning. the secretary.
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ash carter and his people are making a number of points on this. the first one is that he used personal e-mail only occasionally. also that he copied any e-mails on personal e-mails to the government official website, which of course that would be in compliance with regulations, also making the point that he never used personal e-mail for classified information. so let's listen to what he said with cbs news this morning. >> what i did that i shouldn't have been doing until a few months ago was occasionally use my iphone to send administrative messages. no classified information and backed up as records but to my
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immediate staff. and even that i shouldn't have been doing. and when i realized that i stopped. but this is -- i have to hold myself to absolutely strict standards in terms of cyber security and doing things that are appropriate. i didn't in this case. it is a mistake. and it is entirely my own. >> this story was first broken by the "new york times." one of the reasons this is important and why we are hearing about it now is because of the situation with former secretary of state hillary clinton, who also used personal e-mail for official business. but this appears to be a very different situation. not only because of the volume involving carter's e-mails, which was apparently very small but also because ash carter apparently was not using a personal server to do this, which is what hillary clinton was doing.
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to let outsiders determine syria's political future and then called out u.s. secretary of state john kerry for his role in trying to oust assad. >> we will never agree that somebody from wherever they may be can compel who must lead. mr. kerry spoke about this. our position has not changed. as the position of principle. we consider only the syrian people can determine who should govern them. >> while putin had harsh words for secretary of state kerry he gave a shout out to an american man running for president, you know who it is. donald trump got praised from putin. he called trump the absolute lead effort to presidential race. a bright person and talented. all of this as trump returns to
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the campaign trail. one of the first stops was the set of jimmy kimmel live. listen to trump. >> i would like to see the republican party come together. and i've been a little bit divisive in the sense that i've been hitting people pretty hard. >> a little bit. >> and ultimately, you know, we have to come together and get this thing done. and i'm having a great time. >> all right. cnn's sarah murray joins us and you found that comment interesting. >> i did. it is like donald trump is trying to embrace his role as the front runner. he wants the party to come together. he wants more unity. but he just couldn't quite stick with it. he couldn't quite give up the idea of attacking his rivals. listen to what he said about some of the other republicans just minutes later. >> do you think jeb bush is scared of you? or just scared in general? >> i think he's scared.
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[ applause ] he is having a hard time. >> do you think he wants to rub for president? >> no. he was a happy warrior but he's never been a happy warrior. and he's having a hard time running. you have guys with zero. people should get out. i don't know what they are doing. they are on the children's stage. they call it the children's stage. >> right. >> and is they are talking. they have nothing going. and at a certain point you have to get out. >> and, you know, it is funny. i actually asked his wife about this in the spin room after the debate. and she said he's a big boy but he's also a fighter and when people come after him, it is like he has to fight back. so even though he's saying even though he wants to see unity, carol. >> well it's been very effective for him so far. stay with me. i wa michael, you heard trump, he's kind of, sort of softening his
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tone, admitting he's divisive and how he hopes the republican party can come together. what do you think is driving trump to say that? >> well i they lot of what sarah said about s right about his recognition of front runner status and maybe realizing this crazy idea that he could be the nominee might actually happen. but he's also dealing with a sense that i think there is a large segment of the party that does not want him as the nominee. i think it is something like 30% in one poll said they would not vote for him in anyway. and really he was the only person worse off was jeb bush. so i think trump is also realizing that he does have a problem in turning off republican voters who ought to vote for him if he's the republican nominee. so i think that is happening too. but i agree with sarah. when he's attacked or given an opportunity to attack he really can't deny his true nature, which is to go after them. >> so on the subject of jeb bush, sarah, on jimmy kimmel.
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he was particularly -- well he kept saying jeb bush wasn't nice and that he couldn't kill the hitler baby. so is it just that these two men have grown to intensely dislike one another? >> i think that is part of it. look, i really don't think there is any love lost between these two guys. but if you looked at the debate stage jeb bush had a strong debate. and there was this moment where he seemed to really get under donald trump's skin. and that was the one. i think when you see this he almost wants to be patronizing. he almost wants to be dismissive that jeb could even be running against him. but there is no denying that this was a strong debate moment for jeb whether that makes any difference we'll see. >> so washington insiders say the more interesting fight is actually between ted cruz and
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marco rubio. both accuse the other of being soft on immigration. both are cuban americans. both now say they would come down hard on undocumented immigrants. both say they voted for bills that were not totally tough on immigrants. what is the story here, michael. >> well the real story is that nobody in the republican field is, you know, can claim any purity on the immigration issue from a conservative perspective. you have got marco rubio, who led the vote for the gang of -- the gang of eight bill in 2013 trying to get some comprehensive immigration reform and it didn't work out. and of course now he's being accused of being a leader in amnesty. which conservatives in the party don't like. rubio's rejoinder to that, particularly towards ted cruz is that cruz supports legalization, which is seen by a lot of immigration hard liners just sort of the next step before you get to a path to citizenship. and cruz is of course pushing back against this because it hurts his image as the
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conservative fighter. what you are really seeing i think is a difficult position for both candidates now who have a position that is not amenable to the far right in the republican party on immigration. and we're seeing the fallout of that. it is really muddidied the waters i think in ted cruz's approach to cast rubio as this amnesty fighter. >> the other interesting thing, the two men on the debate stage did not attack donald trump. they attacked one another. some say it seemed like they were fighting for the role of vice president over the role of president. is there anything to that? >> i think it is more realization that there are two freshman senators in this race and they realize, you know, they are both not going make it to the end. i also realize there is a fear in attacking donald trump. they don't wan to be other side of that but i think this immigration fight is going to be interesting between the two men and this is what happens when
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you are a senator who is running for president there are said of gray when it comes tot senate yes marco rubio was a big pronate of this bill one of the sponsors of this bill, the immigration bill in 2013 but he was also one of the people in the gang of eight they were most afraid was going to back out any potential moment they were worried he was going to be backing off and ted cruz supported immigration but at the time something to defeat the bill. the problem is when you run for president everyone is parses this and it looks a lot different under the glare of a presidential bid then it did when you were in the senate. >> both men are in the campaign trail today we'll hear what they have to say later. thanks both of you. still to come in the newsroom, fears of lone wolf attacks are rising and so is the rhetoric on terror here in the united states. are we on the verge of world war i
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behind closed doors again this morning as prosecutors weigh their options in the police custody death of freddie gray. just hours after a mistrial the judge will meet with prosecutors and the attorneys for the police officer charged with manslaughter. when will that baltimore cop face a new trial? gene casarez live with more in baltimore. >> exactly what we're waiting for today. there will be that meeting today in the chambers of judge williams. and the issue will there be a retrial? and when? >> i was in the courtroom yesterday. we didn't know what was happening and all of a sudden the jury came in. i saw jury that was tired, worn out and they had fought a long, hard battle. two distinct sides. they could not be unanimous on any of the four counts. and the community, some of them reacted. >> what do we want?
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>> justice. >> reporter: protesters outraged over the mistrial in the death of freddie gray. >> we are calm, you should be calm too. >> reporter: officer porter could be facing the possibility of a second trial after the jury of seven blacks and five whites failed to reach a unanimous decision on any of the charges against him. >> we are hopeful they will retry officer porter as soon as possible and that his next jury will reach a verdict. >> porter is the first of six officers in the case that brought the city to a standstill last spring. baltimore erupted in unrest back in april after gray was loaded into the back of a police van and later died from a spinal cord injury. prosecutors argued that even though porter did not make the arrest or drive the fan he failed to secure gray's seat belt and call a medic quickly enough.
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he faces charges of involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and second degree assault. the charges some say were too strong and hard to prove. frustration outside the courthouse for what this could mean for the other officers involved. >> i'm terrified. are we going to have five more mistrials? >> in a city already on edge. >> we also want to be very very clear about any potential disturbances in our city. we are prepared to respond. >> but last night gray's family attorney was hopeful. >> in 70% of the trials that are brought again on the same evidence t prosecution wins. >> and so now the big question is, what will happen to all of these trials because the other five police officers, their trail dates have been set. the driver of the van, oscar
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goodson, his trial is set to begin right after the new year and the defense is going to have a lot of motions here. they continually have asked for a change of venue believing they cannot get a fair jury here in baltimore city. also now that we have this mistrial so many a are aware of it. so they will say this jury here is tainted. probably ask for a continuance. the reason the trial happened to quick is because they exercised their constitutional right to a speedy trial. >> when we come back i'll talk with an attorney representing the gray family. stay with me for that live interview. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in just under three hours, president obama will deliver statement aimed at soothing american's concerns about terror attacks here in the united states. that state will follow a rare visit by the president to the
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national counterterrorism center in mcclain, virginia. also tomorrow the president will fly to southern california to meet with victims of the san bernardino massacre. all of this coming at a time that americans are increasingly in fear for their safety. the vast majority of americans now feel government officials are unable to stop lone wolf attacks. according to the state department, between 2001 and 13, that is 12 years, more than three thousand have been killed by domestic acts of terror inside the united states. it is important to hear these numbers because i want to put them into perspective. keep that in mind. 3 thousand killed in 12 years. during that time time period tcdc says more than 400 thousand have been killed by gun violence. that is not to say we shouldn't be concerned about terror attacks within our borders. but critics say the rhetoric coming from the presidential candidates is exploitive. >> we have sbrrd world war iii.
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world war iii has begun. >> we are at war folks. they are not trying to steal your car. they are trying to kill us all. >> if we announce a no fly zone and others have said. this hillary clinton is also for it. it is a recipe for disaster. a recipe for world war iii. >> we need to restore the defense cut os barack obama to. rebuild the military, to destroy isis before it destroys us. >> think about the mother whose will take those children tomorrow morning to the bus stop wondering the their children will arrive back safe and sound. >> perspective is important here. how afraid should we really be? with me now republican senator john thune of south dakota. thank you finish being here. >> good morning, thanks. >> good morning. before we dive into fear in america i know you are trying to keep us safer by introducing a bill that tightens airport security. can you tell us about it? >> there have been some serious gaps in our screening process
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when it comes to people who work at airports, carol. there were a couple of high profile examples missing badges that give people to access to sensitive areas and lost badges that didn't get reported and people who actually had those badges sneaking weapons on to planes. it is something that has to be tightened up. we've had hears, a new tsa administrator now and have introduced a bill to shore up the gaps and making sure that people who work at airports are operating safely and people who have access to secure areas are people we can trust. it is all part of a process we need to be focused on that improves and strengthens security not only at airport bus a other areas across the country where people are moving in large numbers. >> that is good to hear. now i want to talk about this fear factor in the united states. according to the boston globe, many americans are actually canceling travel plans because they fear terrorist attacks. should they be afraid.
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are you afraid to travel? >> i'm not. i travel on a regular basis back and forth from my home state of south dakota and often times other places around the country. and i think people can be confident when they travel. our intelligence community, law enforcement officials, people are working collectively to make sure that we -- people can move across this country in a safe way. having said that i think we all have to be very aware of our surrounds, make sure that we are taking the steps necessary to protect ourselves and working with as i said before our law enforcement community to ensure areas that people are congregating in, people are traveling through are safe areas. i'm confident. i think we've got systems that work very well. we can always do it better and that is what we're trying to be focused on. >> so let's talk the people who track these terror suspects down. according to a washington post abc poll. it fears the majority of
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americans can't stop all lone wolf attacks. but they have been successful at stopping many. how afraid should we be and are you confident our authorities can stop most of them? >> i am. and i think we have stopped a lot of them. there are documents cases in the last year of terrorist attacks that have been foiled on repeated occasions. our law enforcement do a really good job and the steps are being taken to protect the people. we are an open society and you have to remember that we're not going to be able to stop everything. but when people trap travel in this country, when they are going about carry on their daily lives they can have full confidence that the people who were responsible for looking after their safety are doing everything conceivable, everything possible to protect them. these lone wolf things. the people who get radicalized in our country is something we have to stay on top of. and as we saw in the san
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bernardino incident, and there are steps being take on the tighten that process one. and we're always looking for ways to strengthen the existing system. but people in the country can move freely. and we shouldn't fear the terrorists. that is what they want. people need to travel and carry on with their daily lives. >> yesterday i talked with general kimmet, he was in charged of u.s. forces in iraq under george bush. he's also a republican. listen to what he told me yesterday. >> to somehow suggest as many did that we should be carpet bombing and extelling muslims from america, that is not going to solve the problem. and i would wish that my candidates would speak with a little more prudence. because of that fear and insecurity on part of the
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american people i think the candidates are tapping into that fear and in some cases leveraging it and frankly in some cases exploiting it. >> so should the presidential candidates tone down the rhetor rhetoric? >> it is a campaign season. terrorism and security issues are forefront. there was a "wall street journal" and nbc news poll of a couple of days ago that said terrorism and the economy are the top two issues. and the problem is 37% of the people of the country don't prove of the president's handling of the foreign policy today but the answer is we have to take the fight to the terrorists. we have to defeat isis and we need to be talking about, or i think our candidates do, the strategy in order to do that. we've got to clang the momentum of what's happening on the battlefield in places like iraq -- >> senator, i this i many americans would agree with you. but this notion that we should all be deathly afraid of isis attacking us in every corner of
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america, doesn't that type of rhetoric need to be toned down? because you heard chris christie talk about mothers sending their children to school on the school bus. but what happened in los angeles turned out to be a hoax. >> and the rhetoric needs to be restrained. i'm not suggesting that. i'm saying everybody needs to be prudent. everybody needs to take a deep breathe. talk about the facts. we don't need to be overly fearful. we also need to be very aware and individual labott in making sure we are doing everything we can to protect the homeland at the same time we're taking the fight to people who want to kill people in the united statein th. i think people who are seeking office need to talk about strategies to defeat isis but we theed to be talking about the issues in a way that is measured
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and that doesn't create unnecessary fear among the american people. >> senator john thune. thank you so much for being with me. >> still to come in the "newsroom" let's look at the dow because you know what happened yesterday. interest rates went up. not much happening right now but we'll check back in again. do you know the secret to a happy home in these modern times?
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the rate hikes they said is going to be small. those words wound up calming the market. they cheered the move. we saw the dow rally over 200 points yesterday. today it looks like there is just a collective breathe in and breathe out happening. >> i like it when it is that way. thanks. teaming up to hit isis why it hurts in the wallet. the u.s. and russia now insisting that member u.n. countries step up and do more to stop the money flow. cnn's jose pagliari is sfoling the story this morning. what took so long? >> great question.
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it is about time the world, you know, looks at isis as a kbhi d combined enemy. isis poses a threat to everyone. and it is first time u.s. and russia agree. which is hit them where it hurt hurts. isis made $2 billion in 2014. they have to park that money somewhere. so this is just that first step. where what the u.s. and russia are trying to do is block it from using the world banks. they have to park the money somewhere. we're going to stop them from moving it around. >> isis money in banks around the world. some banks would block terrorists. >> of course they would. >> but this is just the first move in saying let's all come together and make sure no bank anywhere will accept this money. they will be cutoff completely. it is not just this. they are also trying to prevent arms from flowing in as well. o stopping the flow of oil
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moving into the places like turkey, iraq, lebanon. >> who is buying the oil is this. >> it's black market oil getting sold across the border. >> does the turkish government buy? citizens? who? >> russia has accused the turkish government in being complicit in having that oil move across its borders. turkey denies it. but i've talked to scholars who have noted the oil is getting moved around. so you can either buy oil legally at legal price or black market oil which is half off. so that is what it really means. isis is making this money by selling on the black market. selling it in places where it is not restricted, where it is not regulated. that is how they are making some $500 million this year. >> you said isis is making most
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of its money off taxing people. when i think of areas controlled by isis i don't think of people going work and paying taxes. >> iraq and syria, people live there, work there. 8 million people according to the united nations. isis has taken over that territory. people still work and live there. so what they are going is going door by door and demanding people pay 10% income tax and business tax and tax on christians and they are squeezing the people like a mafia. that is how they are getting the money they have got. and i've talked to expert whose said last year they made some 363 $360 million that way. they are a power house. >> i guess i'm glad an effort is being made to stop the flowbut it is not going happen immediately. >> it is the first step and one dimension to stop them. on the other hand the u.s. is leading a coalition of air strikes. so they are also targeting the way that isis draws the oil out
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of ground and moves it to sell it. so again, this u.n. resolution today is just one part of a fight on isis but it is a major step forward in getting the world to agree that isis is an enemy the way al qaeda is considered an enemy. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. still to family the freddie gray waiting out a decision. their attorney will join me live from baltimore, next. nation's l to support an important cause that can change the way you live for years to come. how can you help? by giving a little more, to yourself. i am running for my future. people sometimes forget to help themselves. the cause is retirement, and today thousands of people came to race for retirement and pledge to save an additional one percent of their income. if we all do that we can all win. prudential bring your challenges®
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the family of freddie gray is remaining hopeful 4 hours after a judge declared a hung jury in the case against officer porter. they marched peacefully as a statement read in part, we thank this hard-working jury for their service to the public, their quest for justice, their personal sacrifice of their time and effort. we are not at all upset with them. neither should the public be upset. once again, we ask the public to remain calm and patient because we're confident there will be another trial with a different jury. we are calm. you should be calm, too. with me now is jason downs, an attorney for the family of freddie gray. welcome, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here. does it surprise you the jury was deadlocked on all four
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counts? >> well, no, it doesn't surprise me at all. in fact, hung juries are part of our system. when you look at cases across the country, this happens not only in baltimore but around the country. and the family was well prepared for the fact a hung jury could be a possibility in this case. >> another family attorney appeared on "new day" saying the officer in question lied on the stand. in your mind, what did officer porter lie about? >> well, if you look at officer porter's testimony and you look at his statement, those two do not comport with each other. at some point he had to have lied. if he said mr. gray was able to help himself and able to stand on his own, on the other hand if his neck was slumped over and he wasn't able to move, those two sentiments, those two statements don't comport with each other.
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one or the other has got to not be true. >> it obviously confused the jury, right? some must have believed the officer and some must have believed your side. >> it could be the jury thought the inconsistency was inconsequential. we don't know. the jury didn't have to believe or disbelieve officer porter because it's the state's proof. the state must prove mr. porter guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. we have to analyze the case in terms of whether the state proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt. >> some members of the community feel this is a sign of things to come. that the five cases that come after this case will result in mistrials as well. what do you say to those people?
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>> we should never decide because one case resulted in mistrial the others will follow suit. all the other officers in this case have different charges. the elements are different. the evidence is expected to be different in every single case. so, we should wait and see what the evidence is with regard to every single officer. we should judge each officer separately. >> and just a last word about the gray family because this must be agonizing for them. now they have to go through it all again. >> well, the gray family was prepared since the very beginning of this case. understanding that this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. they understand there would be at least six trials. they understand that that could take as much as a year or more because they understood hung juries were part of the process. they did not look for quick justice. all they want is justice. >> jason downs, thank you for be being with me. i'll be right back.
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it is the movie are event of a generation. "star wars: the force awakens" tonight for fans in the united states. the movie is already getting rave reviews. in the meantime, some fans are watching marathon screenings of the first six movie in order to, well, prepare.
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>> the force, it's calling to you. ♪ >> just let it in. >> oh, my gosh. i was mesmerized by that. i can't stop watching, even the trailer. it's amazing. cnn's frank -- that was an amazing. >> it is. there was an awakening. did you feel it? >> i did. it was amazing! so you have your -- >> i have my buddy here. he's the bad guy in the new movie, played by adam driver. he's very, very scary. i saw the movie a few nights ago. it's an incredible experience. >> you saw the movie already? >> i saw the movie. >> is that your press pass -- >> no, this is the seven movie marathon you were talking about. started at 1:00 a.m. last night
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runs until 1:00 p.m. tonight and includes the original six movies. >> how many theaters are doing this? >> multiple, multiple movies across the country are doing it. >> you said the movie is good. i have read mixed reviews, frank? >> who are these mixed reviews? >> who are these people? i don't remember. >> the critics love it. it has 97% on rotten tomatoes. it's one of the best reviewed movies of the year right now. >> really? >> yes. >> i should go see it. i should wait in long line with people dressed up as star wars characters and see this movie. >> absolutely. you can borrow my mask. you can bring this right in there. you can't actually wear the mask to the theater, but you can wear it in line. >> that would be scary. >> i could put it on right now, if you want me to. >> could you do that? >> yes. big event. i get paid to do this.
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i'm a 28-year-old journalist. never forget that. >> thanks, frank. i know you must be exhausted from your movie marathon. >> i'm very tired. >> thanks. in other news this morning -- in illinois a professor at an evangelical college has been suspended for quoting pope francis as saying christians and muslims sharing the same god. she's shown here wearing a traditional head covering. her suspension has stirred controversy on the campus of the cheat wheaton college. >> we're here to show support for her because she's brought us love in our community and broader areas. we're here to do just that, show our love and support for her. >> this is nothing against muslims. this is that we don't worship the same god as muslims. the fact she went on facebook on behalf of the college and represented the student body and the staff and said this is what we believe, that's wrong. and i think there should be consequences.
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>> the school says the professor's statement muddles the differences between the two religions. officials say the suspension had nothing to do with her wearing the muslim head covering. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we begin with breaking news. we're learning new information about that isis-inspired killing spree in san bernardino. federal prosecutors are expected to file charges against one of the attacker's friends, enrique marquez, that will happen later today. those charges based on allegations marquez bought two semi-automatic rifles that were later used to gun down 14 people. this is the same friend he told authorities he and attacker syed rizwan farook were planning a terror attack back in 2012 but
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never carried it out. let's get more from cnn justice reporter, evan perez. you've been breaking a lot of news this morning. >> we know enrique marquez has been cooperating with the fbi. he's been giving interviews with the fbi for over a week now, providing a great deal of information. we know these charges, which we had been anticipating were coming, would be based on the fact that he bought -- or he says he bought these two ar-15 style rifles used in the attack, he bought them in 2011 and 2012 and then gave them to farook. the reason he did that is because farook was trying to avoid additional scrutiny from a background check. farook already owned three firearms. >> that's the part that i don't quite -- why did farook fear that he couldn't buy these weapons? because he already bought two handguns. >> he already bought a couple handguns. he passed a background check. he had a clean background but he apparently thought he might be seen suspiciously if he bought two ar-15s. it tells us a little bit, perhaps, about what was going on
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in his mind. this is a period in which they were allegedly plotting this additional attack. 2012 is when marquez said he converted to islam decided he and farook were going to plot this attack, which they ended up ditching and canceling because there were some separate unrelated attacks. >> that could mean at the time marquez bought the guns for farook, they already had the plan in mind. >> that's right. >> that's why -- right. >> that's partly what he said. he said they had this plan in place and they canceled it because there were unrelated arrests of some people trying to travel overseas to al qaeda in riverside, california. we also know he says -- he told investigators that he and farook built pipe boms as a hobby. it's something they did years ago and he even boasted to the fbi that, you know, if he had made the pipe bombs later on, if
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he had built them, they would have gone off. inside the regional center, where the first attack took place in san bernardino, they found three ieds rigged together to go off by remote control. they did not work and that's one reason why authorities believe perhaps some people's lives were saved that day. >> beyond the gun charges, do we know any more charges that could be filed against marquez? >> we don't know. i'm told that is the central charge, but there are other things he's told investigators. one thing they're working with is right after the attack, he checked himself into a mental health facility. that's going to probably play into thinks defense because he now -- we now know he has a lawyer. now his defense will begin on how he can defend these charges. >> all right. adam perez, thanks so much. also first on -- also first on cnn, new information on just how those terrorists helped plan the paris terror tax. investigators say the terrorists
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likely used hard to track encrypted apps to hide their plotting. cnn's laurie seigal has more on that. good morning. >> this is the first time we're really hearing they used these encrypted apps for the sake of plotting. officials had been shy about saying it. evan learned this is, in fact, the case. we're learning more and more about encrypted technology when it comes to how these terrorists are planning these attacks. they mentioned two specific ones. telegram, which we've actually spoken about on the show and what what'sesapp. i've been told it's the hot new app among isis members. it's essentially -- they have public channels. also two layers of encryption, not one, carol, but two. also group chats. now, these group chats can have up to 200 people. they also have a snapchat-like
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feature only adding encryption which self-destructs messages and photos. telegram is where isis took credit for the paris attacks. we actually reported on this before and they said they've taken down a lot of these public channels where a lot of this isis propaganda spreads. we're just kind of at the beginning of this because they'll take down these channels and the propaganda pops up again, carol. >> laurie segall reporting live this morning, thank you. turning our attention to the race for the white house where gop can days are returning to the campaign trail. among those back on the trail are dr. ben carson. he's in iowa this morning. in the meantime, attacks are sharpening and feuds are getting more intense among republican rivals, especially between senators marco rubio and ted cruz are who are trading stabs over their stance on the immigration debate all of this as donald trump plays nice during a sitdown with jimmy kimmel but he soon turned has
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sight on the other candidates as well. >> you have guys like pataki who has zero. graham is on zero. they're on the children's stage. they call it the children's stage. they have nothing going. at a certain point you have to get out. >> cnn's sara murray watched the entire program joining us now with more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. donald trump he tries. he says he wants more gop unity, he wants a republican party that's united but it's like he just can't help himself. coming out swinging against a number of his rivals last night. >> reporter: a change in tone for donald trump. on jimmy kimmel overnight, a bit of self-reflection. >> i would like to see the republican party come together and i've been a little bit divisive in the sense i've been hitting people hard. >> a little bit, yeah. >> reporter: it stopped when it came to debate rival jeb bush.
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>> do you think jeb bush is scared of you or scared in general? >> i think he's scared. >> reporter: the front-runner continuing to call bush low energy and too nice to be tough. >> do you think he wants to run for president? >> no, no. he was a happy warrior but he's never been a happy warrior. >> do you think he would kill baby hitler. >> no. he's too nice. >> reporter: just hours earlier on the campaign trail in arizona, trump was decidedly unfriendly. >> rand paul, who doesn't have a chance, i mean, what's he doing? by the way, what is rand paul doing? i don't care anymore. we have to get the right people in. i don't care anymore. we can't have a continuation of this stupidity of this incompetence. we can't do it where we have carolyn kennedy negotiating trade pacts with japan. >> reporter: as rubio and cruz continue battling it out. >> and everyone on that stage talks tough. >> reporter: after going head-to-head in to us night's debate, the two first-term
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senators defending their tough talk. >> if someone launches the attacks and the attacks are false and knowingly false, then i'm going to tell the truth. >> reporter: while rubio retrains his fire on the democrats. >> we had a debate last night that was actually substantive. it got into the guts of some of these issues and there is a difference between can days. i like everyone renting on the republican side. i really do. none of them are socialists. none are being investigated by the fbi. >> the really interesting fight emerging is between rubio and cruz on this immigration debate. both of those gentlemen will be on the campaign trail today. rubio is in iowa, cruz will be in minnesota later. we'll see if sparks continue to fly between the two gentlemen. >> we will. sara murray reporting live. thank you. >>. more breaking news. french investigators now say the ringleader of the paris attack traveled through the greek
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island of laros and back. paul cruickshank broke this news. tell us more. >> good morning, carol. a source investigator telling us french authorities now believe the paris attack ringleader abdelhamid abaaoud crossed through the greek island of liros on his way to france from syria to organize those paris attacks in november. they firmly believe this now. authorities had previously disclosed two of the stadium attackers they haven't yet identified transported through liros on october 3 and used fake syrian passports to process themselves as asylum seekers to get back to europe. what's not clear from french investigators is whether abdelhamid abaaoud also posed as a refugee to try and get back
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into europe, but they're investigating that possibility right now. not clear when he came back through the greek island, but in order for him to get back to europe, he presumably would have had to do that illegally in some kind of fashion because he was one of the most wanted men in europe because of his suspected role in that plot back in belgium in january to launch a major gun and bomb attack in the country. this is new, fresh information coming from a source close to the investigation in paris. >> paul cruickshank reporting, thank you. still to come in the "newsroom" -- russia's high-tech air war in syria. a look at the kremlin's massive operation there.
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defense secretary ashton carter says he never sense classified information from his iphone but says it was a mistake to use his personal e-mail account to send government messages to his staff. the mg issu e-mail -- >> to clear up the circumstances around which he used personal
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e-mail. he's making a number of points, including, he says, that he only did this very occasionally whenever he did, he copied those e-mails to an official account, which would be in compliance with federal regulations. also that he never used personal e-mail for classified information. talked a little about this on cbs news this morning. listen. >> what i did, that i shouldn't have been doing until a few months ago, was occasionally use my iphone to send administrative messages. no classified messages, but backed up records, to my immediate staff. even that i shouldn't have been doing. when i realized that, i stopped. but this is -- i have to hold myself to absolutely strict are standards in terms of cyber security and doing things that
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are appropriate. i didn't in this case. it's a mistake. and it's entirely my own. >> all of this starting with a report in the new york times and a freedom of information request. part of this, obviously, an issue because of hillary clinton's situation when she was secretary of state. she also used personal e-mail, apparently, in much greater volume. in her case, she actually was using a personal server. very different, apparently, from the situation with ash carter. back to you. >> joe johns reporting live from washington. thank you. the russian president vladimir putin is standing firm, vowing not to join an international effort to get rid of syrian leader al assad. during an address this morning, putin said he would never agree to let outsiders determine syria's future. then he called out u.s. secretary of state john kerry for his role in trying to oust assad. >>. >> translator: we will never agree that somebody, from
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wherever they may be, can tell who must lead. mr. kerry spoke about this. our position has not changed. it is a position of principle. we considered only the syrian people can determine who should govern them. >> cnn gets rare, exclusive access to a russian warship off the syrian coast, imbedding with syrian forces as moscow ramps up its campaign against international terrorism. this is the hub for operations for russia's three-month-old international in syria. it is from here russia says it's pounding terrorists by unleashing punishing air strikes. cnn senior international correspondent matthew chance has more for you. >> reporter: this is how the kremlin supports its syrian allies. and battles its enemies. we gained rare access to the
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syrian base at latakia, now the military hub of russia's air war. this really does feel like the center of a massive military operation. the air is filled with the smell of jet fuel. and the ground shudders with the roar of those warplanes returning from their bombing missions. rush sh's defense ministry says more than 200 targets have been struck in just 24 hours. 320 militants killed, it says, from isis and other rebel groups fighting the syrian government and its president, bashar al assad. i'm joined by general igor, the chief military spokesman for the russian government, the russian defense ministry. thank you for the trip. he's escorting us on this trip to the latakia military base.
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let me ask you that question, that question about who you are targeting. is it isis or are you supporting assad? >> translator: i can answer the question with our actions. every day we show you how russian aviation is fighting national terrorism, troying their infrastructure in syria. >> reporter: on our tour of the base, we were shown how russia carefully arms its bombers with high-tech precision weaponry. we also saw unguided or dumb bombs being loaded. human rights groups accuse russia of killing civilians from the air, a charge the kremlin strenuously denies. well, there's another plane coming in now, just touching down. it's an su-24. that's going to be very noisy. but it just carried out an air strike somewhere in syria
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against rebel targets, either isis or some other opposition group. >> russia says it's stopping isis in its attacks, striking their assets and shrinking the territory they and other rebel groups control. and after more than 4,000 sorters over syria, this kremlin air war shows no sign of winding down. matthew chance, cnn, latakia air base in western syria. >> fascinating. still to come in the "newsroom" -- terrorists planning attacks in the dark corners of the internet. so, how can investigators crack the code?
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affluenza. critics scoffed saying it was a mistake to let couch escape jail. >> reporter: two years into a ten-year probation system, the justice system can't find ethan couch. >> i hate to say i told you so, but i told you so. >> reporter: tarrant county dean anderson put investigators on the case this morning. what they turned up so far indicates couch and whoever is with him had a long head start. >> we all know the family has plenty of money and i think this was planned. and i believe that they planned to get away and i believe they're going to run far and try to hide. i just don't think -- i'll be happy to be wrong if he's hiding somewhere locally. >> reporter: the disappearance came after the appearance of a video this month that appeared to show couch at a party. >> it's not clear on its face that the video in and of itself is a violation of probation. >> reporter: dallas attorney nicole knox told us she's defended clients before after
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social media posts appear to be probation violations. prosecutors would have to prove when the video was taken to prove it's trouble. she says couch not being in contact with his probation officer is a serious problem for his future. >> it's by far the easiest way to comply and the easiest way to violate your terms. >> our thanks to jason allen of ktev. prosecutors asked for a 20-year sentence in the fatal crash. the judge opted for probation and long-term mental health treatment. at the time of his conviction prosecutors said couch could face up to ten years of incarceration if he violated probation. we'll keep you posted. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. new this morning in the wake of terrorist attacks, disney is adding metal detectors in an effort to beef up security at their parks. the security changes at disney,
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disney world and disneyland will also discontinue selling toy guns, toy blasters and squirt guns. guests over 14 will not be able to wear costumes into the parks. in a few hours, president obama will deliver a statement aimed at soothing americans' concerns about terror attacks here in the united states. and that sentiment will follow a rare visit by the president to the national counterterrorism center in virginia. tomorrow the president will fly to southern california to meet with the victims of the san bernardino massacre. we're also learning about -- more information about the paris terror tax. sources now revealing to cnn investigators have found evidence that suggest the attackers likely used encrypted app it is like whatsapp, using end-to-end encryption which protects users' privacy.
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sources warn what the attackers said may never be known because these encryptions are so hard to crack. officials also say new evidence reveal they tried to cover their tracks by changing cell phone s.i.m. cards. with me to talk about this is cnn national security expert peter bergen. i'm also joined by martin boes, senior security principle and provides customers with information security protection and describes himself as a good hacker. that was a mouthful. thank you for joining me. peter, i'm going to start with you. the significance of what was found out that these paris attackers were using encryption devices to hide their communications. >> well, i think the very -- one of the most significant things, carol, is telegram, one of the
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applications they were using is based in berlin. this causes a big problem for the united states, which is there's a big debate as you know, carol, who tech companies can be forced by the government to provide some sort of back door into encrypted communications. if the tech companies don't want to do that and the fbi is very keen for that to happen. in a sense that debate is irrelevant when you have companies in countries outside the united states creating these applications, which are basically, you cannot decrypt. in a way, isis is using telegram all the time. the berlin-based application. so, we're at a point where, you know, effectively terrorists and -- that let these terrorists use these applications, there's nothing you can do about it. >> martin, is that true? what do the companies say, anything? who make these apps? >> i absolutely agree.
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so, the focus the u.s. government has come out with is to ask companies like twitter, facebook, youtube, to create back doors into their direct messaging services which are end-to-end encrypted and as previously stated, i absolutely agree. if that was u.s. legislation and applied to u.s. companies, you know, that would be one thing, but that doesn't cover, you know, software that's made in other countries or even open source applications where the code is freely available and anybody's able to download it, modify the encryption scheme into their needs and reuse it. so, as far as i'm concerned, the encryption can't be broken on this end-to-end phone encryption software. what we need to do is focus our efforts on other ways to catch these people. >> like? >> there are recently a couple articles i read. there are a couple different
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ways around -- just because you can't see the actual message. like apple's i message which is encrypted end to end, just because you can't see the text doesn't mean there's not metadata that go over all the phones it communicated with, where they communicated from. these geotagging on pictures. there's also the u.s. government with proper subpoena has the ability to foresell companies to turn on nj 911 locating services. there are a lot of other things we can do where we won't see the message people are sending back and forth but we can paint a picture of the people they're talking to, when, and that can aid us in these types of investigations. >> during last night's debate donald trump said we need to put brilliant people at work to solve this problem. but do we already have brilliant people? what's he talking about, do you think? >> the nsa, national security agency, has the largest group of
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leading mathematicians and cryptologists in the world. this is outside my area of expertise. the point is readily easy to find encryption, you know, anybody watching the show is basically not something the government can really penetrate. that's why the fbi keeps saying they're using the phrase going dark. they've been using this for two years. but, you know, easily accessible encryption is not something even the nsa can now, you know, decode. >> so i'm going to ask you something really controversial, martin. what if the government would just ban, you know, whatsapp and telegram? we don't want people to encrypt messages, that would be illegal. >> that's obviously the crux of the problem, right? at what point do we throw out the constitution and the right to privacy in favor of people's
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safety? so, that's going to be the age-old question and there's lots of debates around that, of course. once again, if the government decided to start banning applications, there's enough smart people in the world that don't work for the government that i believe, you know, other ways would be found around that type of thing and once again, i feel like we should be focusing our efforts elsewhere rather than, you know, trying to -- trying to weaken the security of the products the american people are using. because that's really what the fbi is asking. because if twitter were to create a back door in their direct messaging system at the behest of the united states, what's to say other people can't find a back door into that? so what we're doing is weakening the security we're already using for our messaging here in the united states. that's never a good thing.
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i think most people in the security community would agree with me. >> would they, peter? >> i mean -- look, you're right. if you put a back door into these technologies, it's no longer encrypted. and so that allows other people in. you know, basically, carol, you have a big debate between two of the most powerful forces in the united states. the u.s. government and the fbi on one side and u.s. tech companies, which are, after all, leading, you know, the great american recovery. we're seeing in the economy who do not want these products to be, you know, easily accessible with a back door. you know, there's a fundamental disagreement on this issue. >> we'll have to see how it plays out. peter bergen, martin, thank you. a hung jury in the trial of a baltimore police officer. what's next in the freddie gray case for prosecutors, the defense and the community? by belle and sebastian sic: " ♪
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one of the most high-profile legal cases goes closed doors. prosecutors weighing their option in the police custody death of freddie gray. just hours after deadlock jury -- jean casarez live in baltimore to tell us more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. it was about 9:30 this morning when attorneys for both sides met outside of the chambers of the judge in this case, barry williams, and gary proctor, attorney for the defense, just sort of said off the cuff to a clerk that was in the hall, yeah, we all had to go together for a photo album, a picture together. then they went into the judge's chambers for about 30 minutes. came out. they spoke a little. they walked away. we have heard nothing at all on the record publicly about what was decided in that meeting. judge williams is on the bench today. a completely brand-new trial. we have no word there is any
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hearing at all. but there are many issues because the defense doesn't have a choice if the prosecutor wants to retry this case. the judge will determine most likely the date but the defense has a lot of options they can consider to change venue or try to stall this trial. a family attorney for the gray family says they knew this wasn't going to be easy. >> well, the gray family was prepared from the very beginning of this case. understanding that this is going to be a marathon not a sprint. they understand that there would be at least six trials. they understand that that could take as much as a year or more, because they understood that hung juries were a part of the process. they are not looking for quick justice. they just want justice. >> reporter: this community is back to work today. it's a rainy, drizzly december day but everyone wants to know
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when and if this retrial will take place. carol? >> jean casarez reporting live from baltimore. the declaration of a mistrial reverberated across trial, a city rocked by protests back in april and now uneasily awaiting word on whether this officer will face a new trial. so, let's talk about that with co-host of "the larry young morning show" and director of peace by peace in baltimore. ed davis joins me, former police commissioner of the baltimore police force. good morning. >> good morning. >> how is the community reacting to this? >> we're not surprised at all, carol. at this point we knew something was going to happen, that wasn't going to be in the pursuit of justice. this particular mistrial is not surprising, however what is surprising is the fact of our response and our reaction to it, the city and all across the country. there was an expectation that folks were going to go out into the streets and go into violent outbursts, unrest. what we saw last night,
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certainly there were some protesters, some young leaders on the ground. essentially, there wasn't the violent protests and outbursts folks expected. >> interesting. ed, what do you contribute that to? city leaders came out and urged for calm. the gray family came out and issued a statement through their attorney urging calm. the new police commissioner just in place, he came out, appealed for calm and welcomed the protesters to the streets. >> i thought -- >> let ed first. >> sure, sure. go ahead, mr. davis. >> the gray family themselves have been incredible in stepping up and making sure that people stay calm. the new police commission of kevin davis played a much more out front role right now and has been teamed up with the mayor in asking for calm. i think there's a more coordinated response this time and cooler heads are prevailing,
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which is great to see. >> do you agree? >> yeah, i think that the police commissioner, kevin davis, has made some efforts to reach out to community leaders. i think on the other side of it that this particular trial for william porter is a smaller trial in the sense the bigger trial is waiting. more folks are tenning to say, what about the white officers we saw on the videotape of freddie gray? what's going to be the outcome for this? there's been some discussion, carol, saying this trial is going to set the tone for other trials. that's not my hope and certainly not my expectation, but i think the larger picture that we're seeing is not necessarily the six officers on trial but more so the culture of policing that continues to prevail within the black community and all across the country, not just in baltimore. so the culture policing is on trial. so the culture policing that we saw exhibited in this particular case has gotten off with a hung jury. >> so, farajii you made a
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distinction -- >> carol, i just -- >> wait. you made a distinction between this black officer and white officers having to go on trial. what sdu mean by that? >> simply being -- you know, we didn't see officer william porter. when those charges came up about reckless endangerment in the role he played, certainly we want justice on that. but we saw the officers that were in that video, carol. that's what the -- this issue of police pru talty, as much about culture, it's certainly about race. and so the folks on the ground, they say those white officers are really the ones that they saw handling brother freddie and others. >> so they're sort of excusing officer porter's role in -- alleged role in this? >> no, not at all. the culture of policing at this point, and mr. davis can certainly speak on, this the
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culture of policing at this point is regardless of whether you're a black officer or white officer, you're making the -- the officers are allowed to make decisions based on what they've always done. not necessarily based upon what's right. certainly we want to see some justice come because officer porter had a responsibility to either seat belt brother freddie gray in. he had a responsibility to address brother freddie's cry for medical attention. when you have a cry like that, a cry for justice and help, then it's only your responsibility as a police officer to preserve life while in the custody of police. >> ed, i'm sorry to interrupt. i just wanted to clarify that for our viewers. you were going to say? >> i appreciate that, carol. here's the problem. it's really improper and irresponsible to conflate the race and police culture issue with a trial where these
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officers are due process rights, before a jury, and they're facing very, very serious felony charges. there's a process in our country of justice that is guaranteed by the bill of rights. and i understand people are upset. there are a lot of questions police have to understand about the culture of the organizations and how we have to change, but to join that issue with with a criminal offense and criminal charge and to say this is about police culture is absolutely the wrong way to look at this. a jury is not looking at police culture when they look at this trial. they are looking at the charges and the elements of the crime and the judge is instructing them as to the differences between probable cause, proof beyond a reasonable doubt. proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a high standard. and this is a political prosecution. everyone has agreed with that. every one of the people that have talked -- that understand
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anything about prosecution understand this was done too quickly. it was overcharged. and it was a shotgun approach. i mean by charging six different people. get the facts out, boil the case down, hold the people accountable and responsible that should be held accountable and have the conversation about race and police culture at a different point. this is not the place to have that conversation. >> all right. have i to leave it there. i have to leave it there. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom" -- the russian president vladimir putin doesn't get a vote, but he is backing one presidential candidate. i bet you know who it is. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery. hey. lo mein, szechwan chicken, chopsticks,
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don't settle for u-verse. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. it is not often the russian president offers praise to any american, but today he did. he gave a shout out to donald trump. here's some of what putin said. >> translator: is he a brilliant and talented person, without a doubt, but it is not our right to identify his virtues. it is the prerogative of the voters. he is the absolute leader in the presidential debate, as we see it. >> okay. so there you have it. donald trump on his part has praised putin's leadership more than once. here's what he told fox news back in october.
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>> did putin go up and say, you and putin are going to be close. did putin go up to your office and did you guys bond or anything this week? he's in town. >> no, i didn't know anything about him coming to my office. but i will tell you i think in terms of leadership, he's getting an "a" and our president is not doing so well. they did not look good together. >> so, let's talk about this with ron brownstein, cnn's senior political analyst and editorial director for the national journal. welcome. >> good morning. >> so, putin's comments are interesting in light of the fact that many republicans admire putin's toughness. do putin's comments matter? >> well, first of all, there's really no one in the american political context anywhere on the spectrum who is comparable to putin. he's a reexpressive autocrat, who jails his opponents, who violates private companies. look, you know, i think it's not necessarily an endorsement you would want. but where there are similarities, they are probably
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stylistic and thematic. putin, like trump, kind of advances the theory of the great man of history who bends big global forces through the force of their own personal will. also i think offers a kind of defensive nationalism, which is what we see from trump. this kind of very muscular and belidge rant posture of the world but one that views the world duplicitous, dangerous and needing this strong man to defend the nation against that. so, in that way, they kind of overlap a little, but no one is really comparable to putin in the american political context. >> i separated it out. i said republicans admire putin's leadership, but really many americans of all strides do. a quinnipiac poll in march showed americans thought putin was stronger. when asked who is stronger, putin or obama, it was tied. i don't know. i don't know what to make of it. >> no, putin is -- putin is a strong leader in the sense that he has essentially destroyed the democratic buds that were there
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in russia in the 1990s and has asserted kind of one-man control of a giant country. so, in that sense he's a strong leader but that's not necessarily an admirable model of leadership or one in any way applicable to the american context. we have really the opposite problem, right? we have this enormously diverse, divergent country, we're seeing on the presidential race, how do you knit all that together? you don't knit it togetherly simply by trying to roll over like putin has. >> i have to say the whole putin thing brought to mind what george w. bush said back in the day about putin. listen. >> yeah. >> i looked the man in the eye. i found him to be very straightforward. i was able to get a sense of his soul. >> so we all know how that turned out. it turned out to be wrong. so, could trump be wrong in the long run, too?
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>> sure, obviously. john mccain said, i looked in his eye and i saw kgb. there's a great new article in the new york times, he was never that important a figure in the kgb. nations have interests and putin is pursuing russia's interaction with the world designed to prestore their prominence, he believes, as a global power. that puts him in conflict with the u.s. on a whole series of fronts. and a personal relationship or not with the u.s. president is only going to marginally change that. the trajectory of what russia is trying to achieve in the world and the trajectory of what we want the world to be are inherently in conflict with most. not in all places. and that really isn't going to change a lot, whether the next president is a democrat or republican. >> ron brownstein, thanks for playing this morning. i appreciate it. i'll be right back.
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president obama goes wild. his survival instincts will be featured in the nbc series "running wild in alaska ". they brave nature to see what life would be like dealing with the effects of climate change. >> so, i think the president looked a little surprised when i pulled out this bloody carcass of half-eaten salmon. >> it would have been nice if we had a cracker to go with it.
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bear's a mediocre cook, but the fact we ate something recognizable was encouraging. now, the fact that he told me that this was a leftover fish from a bear, i don't know if that was necessary. he could have just left that out. >> oh, yeah. at one point president obama's food inspector tried to exchange some raw salmon with something precooked. but obama braved it. he went with the raw fish. thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. did the killer couple in san bernardino have help? breaking this morning, charges are coming against a friend of the shooter. what did he know and when? >> from russia with love, vladimir putin calls donald trump outstanding, flamboyant, talented. now he tells us what he would do if trump wins the white house. and a new twist in that now infamous

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