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demanding answers about el chapo. mexic mexican authorities want to question sean penn who managed to interview the drug lord while he was on the run. >> behind bars in north korea, cnn speaks with two dentainees being held in the nation. >> and -- >> the golden globe goes to leonardo dicaprio. >> leo's time to shine. his best actor award has hollywood talking about a potential oscar. we'll have a red carpet wrapup as the award season kicks off.
welcome to our viewers. i'm rosemary church. >> and i'm errol barnett. thanks for starting your week with us. our two hours of "cnn newsroom" begin now. >> mexican authorities want to question sean penn about his meeting with the escaped drug ward, el chapo guzman. penn and an actress sat down with guzman in october while the cartel leader was on the run. >> they took the image you're seeing now and later followed it up with an interview via messaging. that was published in rolling stone magazine a day after mexican forces recaptured guzman. nick valencia has the details. [ speaking foreign language ]
>> reporter: for the first time, we hear from the drug kingpin himself. despite being on the run, he agrees to an interview with actor and activist, sean penn. a cinematic plot twist to an already surreal story. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: in a report for rolling stoeb, penn writes the pair met face to face in october, 2015, three months after the prison escape. according to penn, the meeting happened somewhere in the middle of a mexican jungle and included tequila and tacos. she was surpris he was surprised by el chapo's chivalry.
[ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: the meeting was brokered by a mexican actress. it was 212 when she reportica y reporticallyed. >> cnn has reached out to her. the communication continued over the course of the next three year, even after the 2014 arrest that landed him at a penitentiary. they stayed in touch. it was that relationship between the actress and el chapo that led to the meeting between sean penn and the drug lord. it was a month of back door dealings that included encrypted messages, disposable phones, and
clan december tine communications. >> el chapo talks about drug trafficking, violence, and his role in it all. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: a senior mexican law enforcement official tells cnn they want to question penn and the actress j specifically about the location where the meeting took place. v nick valencia, cnn. >> as nick mentioned there, peb
says his meeting with el chapo was arranged by the actress. she is one of mexico's most popular actresses best known for her starring role as a drug cartel leader in the show. >> she's also made appearances in american tv series and films. the ambassador for the mexican commission of human rights is a known supporter of el chapo. a cnn legal analyst is joining us via skype from philadelphia. thank you so much for being with us. let's take a look at the legal ramifications here for sean penn and the actress, kate del ka see the owe. we know they want to question penn about his meeting. what are the likely
ramifications for the actors? >> this isn't the first time a journalist has travelled to meet with somebody that u.s. authorities considered to be a dangerous or bad news in - general. so this is not a case of first impression. u.s. federal law prohibits harboring or concealing a fugitive, and simply going into the jungle or the woods to meet with a fugitive as long as somebody is not handing him money or otherwise helping him escape, arguably, the case could be made that by meeting with him, the journalists in this case may have assisted in the capture of this fugitive, so then in this case, it would be a hard case to make that sean penn was actually harboring or concealing a fugitive under u.s. law. mexican law could be a separate issue. >> but it was three months after the interview. it wasn't that they were actually able to locate el chapo.
>> right. they were brought to meet with el chapo, and this interview might have come out or probably could have come out irrespective of whether or not el chapo was, in fact, captured. they have to have affirmatively assisted him in maintaining his fugitive status and being able to elude capture. and there don't appear to be many facts yet that point in that direction other than sean penn and at least one other going out to meet with him and do an interview. >> okay. u.s. officials have called for el chapo to be extradited to stand trial in the u.s. if that happens, how likely is it that sean penn will be forced to give evidence against him? >> consider the universe of charges against this defendant. they are not pending in one court. they are pending in several courts, and they have been for some time. i'm talking about indictments in different federal district
courts. just in the united states, as a general rule of thumb, when the federal government, when the department of justice makes a case, it makes a case. that case stays made. now, what that means is that they marshal all the evidence that they need before they go forward with an indictment because they plan to convict. to the extent el chapo may have given an interview, most of it would come in as admission. does the doj even need any of the statements that el chapo may have made in this interview either on paper or on video? >> and what do you make of the publishing of this interview with guzman? one day after he was recaptured and how might that play into all the legal ramifications here? >> it certainly tells us a lot about his position or his
personal position or view of what he is in this world. but when you read his actual answers word for word in response to questions, some of them are very political. some of them are saying a lot, but you have to read between the lin lines. so, again, you take a step back and ask from the doj's perspective, if you're prosecuting this case, yes, it's helpful any time, any defendant sits down and puts his words down in some form of a statement. the reality is, nobody can ever testify to the same story twice, and any time anyone puts their story down on paper, there's always something there you can find that's helpful. that being said, you have to consider the u.s. government probably has so much evidence against this defendant in so many different jurisdictions that the additional value of this interview, it may ultimately be more interesting
than creating valuable evidence against him. >> all right. denny, thank you so much. we appreciate your analysis on this. >> thank you. >> and it is a grim start to the trading week after last week's chaos in the chinese markets. >> that's right. it looks very much similar to what we saw at this time last week. you see on the right side of your screen the shanghai composite as dropped more than 5% as has to shenzhen composite. for more perspective on this, let's bring in andrew stevens from hong kong. andrew, the so-called chinese circuit breakers were originally designed to prevent nose dives, avoid panic and fear. they kicked in twice last week. based on trends today, they're not really preventing losses. what is the latest on all of this?
>> reporter: the sirk circuit breakers confused investors. and they panicked when the market fell by 7%. you remember mid last week, i think the shanghai composite was open all of 29 minutes for the entire trading day because it kept on kiting those circuit breakers. they were removed on friday because they were having the opposite effect of what was intended. the difference this week is you're seeing the markets falling down 5% now but there is no circuit break tore ster to s market. it should be able to fall until it finds a natural level of support, and this is how stock markets actually are supposed to work. which can only be a good thing. what the chinese authorities have learned to a cost of their credibility is you can't buck the markets. let the markets decide where
they should be. so what we're seeing at the moment is investors continuing to sell because they think the market is overvalued. a lot of people agree. they want to get out because they don't know what the chinese government is going to do next, so they want to get out. >> what about the chinese currency in it's been steadily losing value against the dollar recently. how has that played into all of this? >> reporter: it's been a proxy for people's concerns about the state of the chinese economy. so when they see the yuan weakening, they assume the economy is in a bad state and it's being weakened to promote exports and make them cheaper and help prop up the economy. for the last two days -- enremember the chinese central bank has strong control over the
level of the currency, and where it should be trading. they fit a level of trade, and it can flux wactuate within a ce of percentage paints. th -- points. >> it comes back to a point about trying to buck the markets. they are wary of what the authorities are doing. they've lost a lot of credibility, even though the currency has been slightly stronger, it's still not restoring any nerves as we're seeing in the stock markets. >> we'll see how this progresses in the hours ahead. andrew, thanks. >> thank you. it was a night of stars and glamour has the award season kicked off with the 73rd annual golden globes. "the revenant" received top honors at the big event hearning the biggest awards. >> the film won for best picture
drama, best director, and for best actor, leonardo dicaprio. >> two years ago we found ourselves submerged deep in nature with all the complications and all the beauty that it gave us sinmatically. this film was about survival. it was about adaptation. it was about the try m iumph of human spirit, but more than anything it was about trust. >> ricky gervais hosted the awards, and he didn't waste any time aiming barbs. >> i want to do this monologue and then go into hiding. okay? not even sean penn will find me. >> and we will have more from the golden globe awards later this hour. a film critic will join us to talk about some of the most memorable moments from the night, and some of the
unexpected ones as well. stay tuned for that. and when we come back, north korea gives cnn exclusive access to a prisoner that it claims is a u.s. citizen. we go to the reclusive country for a live report. plus more action on the korean peninsula. we'll tell you about the latest reaction to north korea's hydrogen bomb claims. stay with us. ♪ ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? well the squirrels are back in the attic. mom? your dad won't call an exterminator... can i call you back, mom? he says it's personal this time... if you're a mom, you call at the worst time. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. where are you? it's very loud there. are you taking a zumba class?
north korea says it's holding a u.s. sit zeb on charges on spying. >> authorities in the country have allowed cnn to speak with this man who says he's a naturalized american citizen. and cnn is the only u.s. broadcaster in north korea. will ripley is in pyongyang with this exclusive. what are we learning about this prisoner that north korea says is a u.s. citizen and how hard will it be to confirm his status? >> reporter: the north koreans shortly after we arrived told us that they were holding an american citizen accused of spying. we didn't have any other details until shortly before our
interview when we met the 62-year-old man. he showed us his american passport which says he was born in south korea. kim claims dthat he moved to th united states in 80s and became a citizen in 1987. the u.s. state department is not confirming he's a u.s. citizen or talking act his case at all. according to kim himself, he says that he was living in china and crossing into north korea to work in a special economic zone where foreign businesses employ north korean workers. it was through those trips that he said he was collecting intelligence, including nuclear secrets and military secrets, and he was passing them along to conservative elements within the south korean society, both at the university level and even the government level. now, south korean authorities we've checked with have called the claims groundless. listen to how he said this all
works, though. >> how did it work? how did you pass on the information that you collected? >> translator: i bribed a local resident and had him gather important materials considered military secrets, nuclear related materials. i got these materials, hid them in my car and brought them to china where i handed them over or i would go to south korea and deliver them directly. >> reporter: so kim is now detained here in pyongyang. he has no trial date set. he has no idea if or when he'll be able to see his wife or two children and he's asking for the u.s. government and the south korean government to rescue him. we know from government officials that they are now looking into this case, but that's all we know right now. so this will be something we'll have to watch closely. >> and will, you spoke exclusively to a canadian pastor sentenced to life with hard labor. what did he tell you?
>> reporter: this is a case that we have been following closely for almost a year. when he was arrested in north korea on a humanitarian trip to an orphanage and nursery and nursing home that his church in canada helped to establish. he's made more than 100 trips to the country. the north korean regime claims he was entering under the pretense of humanitarian aid but actually using his religion to try to overthrow the regime led by kim jong-un. take a look. thousands of miles from home, a world away from his old life. this canadian pastor lives under the constant watch of north korean guards. no contact with his family or parishioners of his church. the 60-year-old works eight hours a day, six days a week, alone digging holes in an orchard at the labor camp where he's serving a life sentence. he's the only prisoner.
the guards wait just outside. >> reporter: how are you feeling? >> fine. >> are you in good health? >> yes. >> reporter: he speaks and understands english, but the authorities insist he answer in korean. we assume they're listening from another room in this hotel. >> translator: i wasn't originally a laborer, so the labor was hard at first, but now i've gotten used to it. >> reporter: he says he gets three meals a day, humane treatment. al at his trial in december, the pyongyang prosecutors argued he entered under the false pretense of humanitarian aid. they say he was really using langua religion to try to overthree the regime. he admits to openly criticizing
the leaders. a severe crime. i admit that i violated this government's authority, system and order. >> reporter: would you say your biggest crime was speaking badly about the supreme leader of this country? >> translator: i think so. >> reporter: he says he has not been forced to study their ideology. he's requested a bible but haven't gotten it. he prays every day. >> translator: i pray for the country and the people, he says. i pray for north and mouth korea to be unified so a situation like mine won't happen again. after about an hour the guards return. >> reporter: it's time for this pastor to go back to a life of confinement he never expected but seems to accept. he wonders if he'll ever see his family again. he says no matter what happens, he's at peace. i've spoken twice with his
family and they were happy to see that he appears to be in good health. he recorded a message, and he talked about how valuable family is. they're hoping to get him home and they're grateful for the north korean government for allowing the interview to happen. they're trying to get the canadian government to get him released. we'll have to watch this case. >> we will. and will ripley joining us live there from pyongyang with this exclusive, and we're getting this breaking news in. we've seen this on social media. british singer, david bowy died. >> he was inducted from the rock and roll hall of fame back in 1996, received the grammy, lifetime achievement award in 206 -- 2006.
his son took to the website to say sad to say it's true. i'll be offline for a while. love to all. that message coming from david bowie's son as the world reacts to news of this performer passing. >> and we are joined now by a senior reporter for the hollywood reporter, and this is devastating news for so many fans across the globe who have followed him. i followed him myself when i was younger. he is a powerful legend in the music industry. talk to us about what he leaves behind here and what we know about his fight with cancer. >> reporter: yes. it's definitely a shock. i think that the statement that adrubruptly came out said he'd n fighting cancer for 18 months, and it was not publicly known at all, so we're still hoping for
more details about what type of cancer it was. we really don't know. in terms of his legacy, this is definitely one of the iconic artists of the 20th century, david bowie. he really pioneered not just in music but in culture in terms of gender expression andogony, fashion. the whole idea of a concept album, david bowie had one of the earliest concept albums. really an immeasurable artistic impact. >> for a lot of people so surprised to hear that he was battling cancer. he has been out of the limelight for a while. he dabbled in acts fing for a while. not as successful in acting as
singing, but talk to us more about his ground breaking work. it was an extraordinary artist of his time. >> that's right. i mean, you know, i think that anybody who is a music fan will probably tell you his or her favorite david bowie song. his music has been covered extensively by artists that came after him. his work really inspired a lot of the whole, you know, starting from the disco wave to 70s to gram lock in the 80s, and i would say a lot of our pop artists now, lady gaga, cayly perry, miley cyrus all owe a debt to him marrying visuals to sound. nobody did it quite like david bowie did. >> and what about his personal life? we know of his wife, of course, but we don't know much about his son. >> reporter: yeah.
his son -- part of that is because his son's sir name, duncan jones, david bowie's name. we're about to hear more about his son soon because his son is the director of "war craft". his son is a great director. pretty young guy. you know, but he really -- his marriage to eman despite the fact that it's a typical model rock star model relationship, but it was solid. they were together for a long time. he lived for the past decade or so quietly in new york city. although, ironically, just in the past year or so, he became active again, and this is why his death is such a shock.
he just released his 25th album two days ago which was his 69th birthday. black star. it's clear he knew something we didn't. but we now have a new album from him even though he is now gone. >> and rebecca, errol with you on this breaking story of david bowie passing at the age of 69. you talk about an album he just released. he was also to be honored at carnegie hall here not too far away. talk to us about his career. we hadn't seen much of him of late, but he was almost preparing for another act, you could say. >> yeah, i think so. he had appearances lined up. he has a musical currently. he wrote an off broadway musical that's running right now in new york. it's running until i think for the next ten days. very much somebody who was not
preparing to wind down. so it's unclear. i don't know if his cancer took a sudden push the way these things sometimes do, or if he just didn't want -- he wanted to keep working until he could no longer do so, and so -- but certainly, you know, after a period of -- he was relatively quiet, i would say, up until 2013, and then he came out with an album, the new day, which did well. and then now another album two years later. i feel like we were about to see more from david bowie. but until this happened. >> and that's what makes this all the more heart breaking. talk to us. what do you know about why david bowie went quiet for so long, in fact, coming out again in 2013. but quiet for so long. compared to some other artists of his era? >> you know, i mean, i think that i can only speculate that
for somebody who was in the limelight for so long and really was fully embodied his art industist ri. for a normal person, they would want to retire around 55 or 60. he did take a break. i'm sure he was still creating and living well among his family and friends. but perhaps it was just everybody needs to sort of recharge their artistic muscles and creativity. it wasn't like a permanent retirement. there was no big declaration. no big failure that drove him into privacy. it was his choice. he always did what he wanted to. he did what he felt like, and whether that was take a break, come out with a new studio album, appear in a movie, do a musical.
that's what he always did. >> and if you're just tuning in, we are covering this breaking development, singer david bowie has passed away at the age of 69. his publicist saying it's after a battle with cancer. not a publicly known struggle that david bowie had been dealing with, for the past year. we've already seen response from his son saying he'll be off social media for a while. we understand the uk prime minister has sent a message via social media as we all absorb the news of a legend being lost. rebec rebecca's son is joining us. we are gathering all the latest information on this, and surely, this will be a shock to the world. >> absolutely, and we're looking at david come ranameron's tweet. he was a master of reinvention who kept getting it right.
a huge loss. he's right. this is the situation with the david bowie who went quiet for a while. we were expecting so much more from time. we're going to take a short break. rebecca's son has been with us in los angeles. we'll come back with more on this story on the other side of the break. stay with us. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems.
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rock and roll hall of fame in 1996. the man at one time was noon as ziggy star dust. he influenced style and music from the time he started to the present day. >> he continued working this entire time dipping in and out of the public eye and reinventing his career several times. his newest album was released on friday. we want to go back to rebecca's son who joins us again from los angeles. he is a senior reporter for the hollywood reporter, and rebecca, the world is absorbing this, trying to digest this. it's a shock, because no one was expecting it. a shock so much, people and certainly the media were holding back and looking for confirmation. they were seeing this on social
media, but they wanted to hear it directly with the background and the hacking of many accounts, people couldn't believe it. they needed to hear it straight from the publisher. talk to us about that process and the surprise he was suffering cancer. >> that's right. i they we first heard the news, there was a tweet that came out from david bowie's official twitter account which is sort of representing his team. it's a verified twitter count that linked to this facebook message from his official facebook page saying he had passed away after an 18-month battle with cancer. it was hard to believe because nobody had any indication that he was sick or that this was a possibility. and nowadays, hoaxes are very common, so there was a -- you know, there were websites that immediately sort of announced that this was a david bow ie
2016. these articles were the hoaxes. we at the hollywood reporter were able to get confirmation directly from david bowie's representatives. i think that's what other news outlets have now done, but certainly the nature of it, because nobody had any idea he was sick, especially so sick. there's just a lot of shock and disbelief going around, and people don't want to believe it. we don't want to believe the news. >> and also, the idea of a man who lived and worked in front of the camera in the public eye for two long, we've seen with other celebrities, like robin williams who had his own issues, his widow has now publicized from the issues that led up to his death. it's a difficult time for a star like david bowie, someone who
transcends being a human, being immortal with so many different kinds of names and characters that he made himself, he would have had to have had this private struggle with cancer these past 18 months. >> reporter: absolutely. i think that cancer, as most of us, unfortunately know, it takes a physical toll, and because he had sort of been away from the public eye -- he put out an album, but i don't recall him going or seeing him on television recently or anything like that. and you hit on an interesting point when you talked about david bowie sort of being a little bit transcending human. for him, so much of his ziggy star dust and alter egos was sort of this alien creature. someone who seemed like he could be somewhat fantastical.
we know he's just a man like any of us, but it's just -- i don't think we were prepared for it. 69 is not really that old. >> yeah. i think we're just, all of us are trying to absorb this. let's talk about his newest album that was released friday, black star. what do we know about that? it was met with critical acclaim, as we've just reported. >> reporter: that's right. what's interesting about black star is knowing -- even before, you know, what we know now, the reviews of it, it was -- the songs in that album were really a meditation on death and dying, executions. it was a very -- death is a very strong theme throughout the album. he has one song on it called lazarus which is a character from the bible who jesus raised from the dead, so a lot of
themes about mortality, and, again, you know, if you revisit that now, knowing that he wrote this, likely, concurrently while he was battling cancer, while knowing that his own life was nearing its conclusion, it really puts it into a different light, and i think that his fans ought to revisit -- well, you know, listen to this album. really, with the perspective of what is david bowie trying to communicate now, knowing that this is going to be his last work? >> yeah. and his work has spanned decades. another interesting aspect of this. we're all kind of wondering now where did we first hear or see david bowie. rosemary remembers following him from when she was younger. i remember a movie he was in in the 80s, a campy movie about a labyrinth or something.
we will all have these various and different reference points. if you had to sum him up to one large performance or album, i mean, what will he be remembered for, if you can narrow it down to one thing? >> reporter: you know, i think all of those things, and i think a lot of it will depend on the individual's age. like you said, how old you were when you first sort of came into pop cultural things. the 80s, it's a cult classic. i think his ziggy star dust work will be one of his most femme rabb -- memorable. that whole idea of creating the album where you are actually playing a different character throughout that entire record is something that other artists have attempted but none quite as well as david bowie.
that whole glam rock look that he sported with just the crazy hair and the makeup and the clothes. and the spandex. there was a film that came out, i want to say late 90s, velvet gold mine. that was sort of a directly inspired by david bowie and iggy pop. but i think the ziggy star dust. he's one of the most memorable characters from the twentieth century pop culture. >> i have to agree. what was so extraordinary about david bowie is his ability to reinvent himself, and madonna was able to do the always changing persona to reinvent
yourself and reinvigorate your artistry. talk about how oucften he wouldo that, dig deep and find his new personas. >> reporter: yeah. i think you can sort of track -- again, i think the longevity of his career mirrors to changing trends, many of which he was driving himself, throughout pop music through the decades. going from disco and morphing into glam rock and then sort of a stripped down and sort of his elder statesman years where he continue wearing makeup and outlandish clothing but instead was a tailored, you know -- such a handsome man, right? but he matured, himself, a long with his sound, along with his
look, and i think that was vital to continuing to be a relevant artist while maintaining that sort of iconic legend status. you know, i remember his duets with queen. there's so many different incarnations of david bowie. to be able to continue to be a chameleon in those ways is really a rare gift. >> one aspect we've not talked about is his relationship with his wife, a super model, eman. during the 80s an interracial relationship was kind of a headline dpr headline grabbing thing. speak to us about their relationship and carrying that in the public eye? >> absolutely. there are a lot of angles to that. one is certainly, it seems like the cliche of the rock star with
the super model. most of those unions add terribly. they had a very solid relationship. they were always so in love. for decades. that's very rare, especially, again, between a rock star and a super model. the international aspect is very -- i think is very significant. again, they got together at a time when this was highly unusual, enormous amounts of social pressure, criticism, but very ground breaking for two role models to sort of set forward a new model and say this is what love looks like. this ought to be acceptable to sort of normalize that. they were definitely a progressive couple in that record, until they were no
longer unusual, which is a great thing. >> indeed. and i want to read out that post that was sent out on facebook. and david bowie, if we can bring that up. david bowie died peacefully today surrounded by his family after a courageous 18-month battle with cancer. while many of you will share in this los, we ask that you respect the family's privacy during their time of grief. and we learn from that just the very private man that he was. even though this incredible public persona that we all witnessed, but when it came to this, to death, he did it quietly and privately, and clearly, this is a request of the family to just, please, respect them at this time. >> reporter: again, about luteally, in a way, that's not
entirely surprising. i think he was a guy who had clear delineation between his public and private life. anything he chose to reveal about himself, his sexual assault and thin-- sexuality, w deliberate choice. but he was not constantly in the tabloids for trouble making or not a lot of controversy that was -- that he wasn't incity dp -- instigating, pushing the social boundaries. people who knew him, his neighbors and friends, he had a very quiet and private life which is exactly how he wanted it, to have that boundary. >> a senior reporter with the hollywood reporter speaking to us from los angeles as we cover
this breaking news on cnn, david bowie has passed away at the age of 69. his publicist says this is after an 18-month battle with cancer. rosemary and i here will continue to get more details on this and reaction from around the world. please stay with cnn. "beth" by kiss ♪ beth, i hear you calling.♪. ♪ but i can't come home right now... ♪ ♪ me and the boys are playing.♪.
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viewers. i'm oerrol barnett. >> and i'm rosemary church. thank you for joining us. >> we want to begin with what is saddening breaking news out of the music community. david bowie has died at the age of 69. >> bowie was an innovative icon in music, film, and style for decades. he first rose to fame in the
1960s and inspired the glam rock movement of the 70s before reinventing themselves several times over 50 years. 1969 space oddity started the whole thing. ♪ this is major tom to ground control ♪ ♪ i'm stepping through the door, and i'm floating in the most peculiar way ♪ ♪ and the stars look very different today ♪ >> and you watched this and think to yourself, how many times have we heard that song and seen the images. though his career flowered under zig ziggy stardust, he had many
efforts. he is inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame in 1996, and he alevreceived the grammy life achievement award in 2006. a statement on his facebook page reads he died peacefully today surrounded by his family after a courageous 18-month battle with cancer. we ask that you respect the family's privacy during their time of grief. we are now joined on the phone by the music editor at the guardian and he joins us to talk about this. casper, thank you for your time. first we want to get your reaction to this sad news of the passing of david bow -- bowie. >> it was a shock. there was no indication that
anything was amiss. and his new record is incredible. it was the most warmly received album for a number of years. for the death to arrive out of the blue is shocking. and, of course, bowie with possibly bob dylan, but on an individual level, you'd have to say he's the biggest rock star we've had. he defined the 70s and continued to make great records and have an enormous influence. it's terribly sad news. >> how would it be possible to release an album on friday and for no one to really know that he was suffering with this illness for so long? how difficult would that have been for him and his family to keep this private for so long? >> well, i'm sure it's been enormously difficult. it's been a quite period for a time of years. a couple of years ago he
released a record that was preceded by that single. everyone was amazed by that. we thought we heard the last of time. there had been rumors that he had health problems. perhaps heart trouble. he hadn't been seen out much and hasn't given interviews for the last two records. but at the time, at the release of that record it was heralded as a greattriumph, the ability to keep something a secret. >> you know -- >> in a way -- sorry? >> you talk of the shock. it's rosemary. you talk of the shock that you felt when you heard this news. i think we were all in shock so much so there was an abundance of caution across media outlets
whether to go forward in reporting this, because it had only been seen on social media at that point. talk to us about the latest release, his album "black star "and how that was received by br critics. >> one of the tracks on it is called lazarus. it's about the guy who rose from the dead. it begs the question of whether -- how ill he'd been and for how long and to what extent this record relates to it. he was fully aware this might happen, that he might die. it was accompanied -- he hasn't done interviewed, but it was accompanied by a couple of videos. in them, thinking about it this morning, in them, he looks -- he looks thin. in some of them he's covered with a mask and his eyes
replaced by black buttons. it's a very mysterious record as well. the previous all bbum was straightforward. this record suddenly leapt up into new territory. it's jazz influence. the title track is i think almost ten minutes long. and it contains lyrics that are kind of characteristic elliptical strange lyrics. bowie when he emerged in the 70s, particularly when you get to diamond dogs, he'd employ a cut up technique to write his lyrics, lifting them from different song lines. and his word then invited the scrutiny of what he was up to. it wasn't straightforward rock music. he always took it to different
directions. this one was the classic bowie in that it felt completely out of left field, bewildering lyrics that people have been desperately trying to find the real meaning in them, and there was some suggestion that the title track is about the rise of isis because of some offhand remark to made someone involved in making the record, but actually, there's nothing that directly supports that claim. you know, and the times in london said it might be the greatest work yet. that tells you about his extraordinary creative. even at this time he'd be making something as daring as this. >> when we look at the visuals, he's lying in what looks like a hospital bed with bandage and buttons in his eyes. knowing what we know now, it's
chilling looking at those videos. >> yeah, it is. on the other hand, i think we would have looked at anything that he produced, we'd be looking into it. it's going to avoid -- it will avoid as much scrutiny as he wanted to avoid, i think. he would have been dancing around the subject. the final track on this record black star is called everything away. and the lyrics there, perhaps they point to something. he talks, the final lyric, i guess he sings, he sings i can't give everything away. i'm just look agent the lyric book in front of me. for me, i felt it movingly. no one buys records. everyone streams them. on saturday i went down to one of the last few record shops that exists in london. i bought the cd of this record. it was the first time i bought a record in a while.
and looking at the lyrics now, seeing more and seeing less, saying no but meaning yes. that's all i ever meant. that's the message that i sent. i can't give everything away. he's left us with another riddle and opaque meaning. >> casper smith is with the head of culture at the guardian newspaper speaking to us about the death of david bowie after an 18-month battle with cancer. considering his final album will have us asking questions and it was quite mysterious according to critics, how do you sum up a career that spanned four decades in if there's one thing to be remembered for, what will it be? is that too difficult to answer? >> there's a couple of things. i think he defined the 1970s until the end of the decade.
no artist released such a string of not only amazing records, but each record seems changed from one to the next. you went from a record to ziggy stardust to something like diamond dogs which was sort of in the same ilk but took a step forward. he took left hand turns to the plastic soul of young americans. true to the series of really electronic records that broke new ground for music again. in doing that, the one consistent thing he did all the time was have a sense about his music, and someone else wrote previously, he gave sense to the sort of dread in the 70s. there was a collective break down after the 60s when -- pop
music was positive, and the 70s was a more unsettled decade. bowie gave voice to that and stylistically hei changed. and he defined that time in the 80s and 90s but again this record reminded you he was an extraordinary artist, and it's an absolute cliche, but as i said at the start, perhaps alongside bob dylan, he's one of the two great male rock stars there's ever been. it's a valid question to ask if we'll ever see anyone of his ilk again. >> talk to us about the 70s when he was coming up with all these different characters, what the critics were saying. was there a lot of criticism about some of the ground-breaking work that he
did? >> i think people were thrilled by it at the time. i mean, he was always one step ahead. you know, the very idea of ziggy stardust who was this creature from mars, i mean, this incredibifigure, particularly in the uk, in 1972 and 1973 singing star man. he's there. for a generation of young people in the uk parents were saying is that a boy or a girl on tv with this weerld look and this other worldly presence. and then moving through the different modes, moving to berlin when he was a huge star, and then moved to berlin and made reclusive sounding records
such as low and heros. and no one at the time was really using that ability to write a killer pop song with music that just went somewhere else at the same time. >> and, again, his kracareer spanned four decades. it's easier when you look back to look at it glowingly, but talk to us some of the resistance and backlash he may have faced doing something so progressive during the 70s and 80s. >> well, in the 80s, i mean, he sort of returns the public arena with the record let's dance, i think in 19 83, and then there was a string of records where he was trying to experiment, but they didn't grab people in the same way. there was a period when he did
with mcjagger a cover of dancing in the streets. it was a great take of that record, but it sort of gave the impression that he now decided to settle down and that he was going to accept himself as one of the elder statesmen of rock music. he tried becoming part of a group called tin machine, and they said it's not david bowie. made a couple of records with that but never quite succeeded. in the 2000s, i think there was a return to form. there was a great record called heathen which came out in 2002. nothing until 2013, and in that period of time, he sort of did the thing that -- nothing. and the interviews dried up. there was a big visual
retrospect of his career. he toured around the rest of the world. it was in that period of time that subsequent generations grew up with him and then some discovered him. that's when his legacy was held in high regard. >> music editor at the guardian in london joining us as he all try to absorb the shocking news, the death of david bowie at the age of 69. we'll have more on this when we come back. stay with us. i am about to embark on a long and dangerous journey.
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sunday after an 18-month bat with cancer. bowie had just released his latest album on friday, his birthday. >> condolences has been pouring in on social media. here you see the prettyibritish minister who said i grew up listening to and watching the pop genius david bowie. he kept getting it right. a huge loss. >> we will continue to track reaction and more developments as it relates to this breaking story in the hours ahead. for the moment we want to shift to another big story we're following. there's rising anger in germany over assaults committed on new year's eve. >> investigators say 516 complaints have been filed. >> these attacks prompted violent protests over the weekend. that included clashes with police. our senior international correspondent is near the site
of the attacks and joins us this morning. atika, if the reports weren't troubling enough, it turns out hundreds of people have filed claims of being assaulted or mugged on new year's eve. what kinds of actions are officials taking? this seems unprecedented. >> it is unprecedented. the police described it as a new dimension in criminal violence here. i'm actually in the square where a lot of the assaults are reported to have taken place. but of the more than 500 criminal incidents reported to police, about 40% are being investigated for sexual assault. that means dozens of women who were groped or forcibly groped and after as a distraction technique had their handbags or phones stolen. it was clearly an absolutely chaotic night here.
there were fire works going off. it was a large crowd of about 1,000 people here, and police seem to have lost control in the streets. so what is happening today is that there is a special committee session in which the local interior ministry of this area will be grilled about what happened. and police as well, asked tough questions about why they lost control, why they were so understaffed on the streets, and what exactly happened that night and how come so few of the perpetrators have been arrested. only a hand full at this point. and the most divisive aspect which is of the 31 suspects identified, more than half are asylum seekers or refugees. there have been allegations that police and local politicians tried to suppress that information which is why the information didn't come out until so late. all of this is going to be discussed at the session starting in about half an hour.
>> atika schubert live for us in germany this morning. thank you. the legal process to extradite el chapo to the u.s. is underway. authorities in mexico want to talk to sean penn. the actor met with the cartel leader in october. he took this picture to authenticate the meeting and convinced him to give an interview. guzman was on the run at the time. >> he had escaped from prison back in july. now he's back in custody but mexican authorities would like to know where he met with the actors. meanwhile, rolling stone has published that interview. nick valencia has the details. [ speaking in foreign language ]
>> translator: for the first time, he hear from the drug kingpin himself. the drug lord agrees to an interview with actor and activist, sean penn. a cinematic plot twist to an already surreal story. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: in a report, penn writes the pair met face to face in october, 2015. three months after el chapo's prison escape. according to penn, the meeting happened somewhere in the middle of a mexican jungle and included tequila and tacos. he was surprised by el chapo's, quote, chivalry. these clips are part of replies to follow up questions asked by a representative off camera. [ speaking foreign language ]
the meeting was brokered by a mexican actress. it was 2012 when she reportedly developed a friendship with him. she has not commented since publication of the article saturday night. cnn has reached out to here. >> the communication continued over the course of the next three years even after the 2014 arrest of el chapo that landed him in the penitentiary. it was that relationship between them that eventually led to the meeting between sean penn and the drug lord. it was a month of back door dealings that included disposable phones and even communications with el chapo's associates. in a two-minute can chip, he
talks about drug trafficking, violence, and his role in it all. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: a senior mexican law enforcement official says they want to question both actors, specifically about the location where the meeting took place. nick valencia, mexico. >> and sean penn's interview is
raising interesting questions. >> reporter: any concern about sean penn at all. will the u.s. make sure the mexicans are able to talk with him in. >> it poses a lot of interesting questions for him and others involved in this so-called interview. we'll see what happens. i'm not going to get ahead of it. >> one presidential candidate is chiming in on the interview. rubio blasted the actor's relationship with the cartel leader. listen. >> if one of these americans actors who benefitted from the greatness of this country want to go fawn all over a criminal and a drug trafficker in their interviews, they have a constitutional right to do it. i find it grotesque. >> we have a cnn legal analyst joining us via skype from philadelphia. thank you so much for being with us. let's take a look at the legal ramifications here for actor
sean penn and kate dell castillo. we know authorities want to question him for his october meeting with the leader. what are the likely legal ramifications, do you think, for the actors? >> this isn't the first time that a journalist has traveled to meet with somebody that u.s. authorities considered to be a criminal or somebody just dangerous or bad news in general. so this is not a case of first impression. u.s. federal law prohibits harboring or concealing a fugitive, and simply going into the woods to meet with a fugitive, as long as somebody's not helping him escape or handing him money, the case could be made that by meeting with el chapo, then the journalists in this case may have assisted in the capture of this fugitive. so, then, in this case, it would be a hard case to make that he
was actually -- sean penn was harboring or concealing a fugitive. mexican law could be a separate law. >> so u.s. officials have called for el chapo to be extradited to stand trial in the u.s. if that happens how likely is it that sean penn will be forced to give evidence? >> consider the universe of charges against this defendant. they are not pending in one court. they are pending in several courts, and they have been for some time. i'm talking about indictments in different federal district courts. just in the united states, as a general rule of thumb, when the federal government, the department of justice makes a yas, it makes a case. that case stays made. that means they marshal all the evidence that they need before they go forward with an indictment because they plan to convict. so to the extent that el chapo may have given an interview, most of that would be able to
come in as an admission under federal rules of evidence, but the real question is, does the federal government, does the doj even need any of the statements that el chapo may have made in this interview either on paper or on video? >> all right. thank you so much. we appreciate your analysis on this. >> thank you. we are still gathering more of the latest information for you on our ongoing breaking news. the shocking death of david bowie. stay with cnn for the latest information. we'll be back with more after this short break. ♪
and a warm welcome back to our viewers all around the world. i'm rosemary church. >> and i'm errol barnett. let's update you on the top story right now. the breaking news. david bowie has died of cancer. he was 69 years old. he heavily influenced music, film, and style in a career spanning five decades. he continued his iconic work todays before his death. his latest album released on friday. max foster joins us with more on david bowie's death and legacy. for us here, as we report on this breaking news, it was a shock. how is it being received there
in london j david bowie's home country? >> with all the schedules dropped on the broadcast media, and they're going wall to wall on this. end less interviews and tributes coming in. i wass listening to a interview with a former landlady. nothing was conventional with him. he was constantly reinventing himself, and he was a creative icon. people arguing about whether or not he was a chameleon. people suggesting how could he do that? they mix into their background. he did the opposite. he was reinventing himself. he was a cultural ion. a couple years ago there was a retrospective of his life at a
museum. they focussed on his collaborations. if you look at his career, the it was many of the collaborations which drove his creativity and allowed him to keep reinventing hymn. we talked about what he did in the 60s and 70s but in the 80s, he was doing heavy metal. in the 90s, it was drum and base. his latest album was only released on friday. he was still relevant. >> it's quite shocking. we're still kind of absorbing all of this as everyone in london in as well. we'll continue to check in with you in the hours ahead. and joining us now to talk more about david bowie is an entertainment reporter based in london. >> steven, what was your reaction to hearing this news this morning? >> well, i guess the same as the
whole world. it's a death that he's one of those people that it's like wow. when i turned on the tv, to see that news, it's easy to feel like you lost something. i didn't know him, but you always feel like you know and take something from david bowie and his music. it was mysterious, but for any generation you feel a loss of such a unique artist right until the bitter end. that last album that i went out and bought on friday when it came out and i put it on the record player. it was glorious in the way you always want him to be. he was like that right until the end, and boy, that's meaning in the record now. >> isn't there? this is the thing with it. we're looking at some visuals now. it was david bowie's birthday on friday. he released this latest album, "black star", and now we're seeing videos of him lying in a
hospital bed with bandages, buttons on his eyes. a chilling vision, now, as we're learning more about him suffering from cancer. we had no idea. >> we had absolutely no idea. that's the way he wanted it to be. i think, really, you can put david bowie in a kind of realm of a pop star. that's fine. above all and beyond everything else, he was an artist, and it's not a word you can throw at many individuals who are out there in the industry. he was an artist who began as someone who craved fame. he wanted to be famous and he did everything he could to get into that world of being a celebrity, both music. he just wanted to be known and famous. and that's to a degree why he started with different attempts at different kinds of music when he started. it was kind of by luck that he rose to fame when he first came out. he decided with the interest in space in the 60s and his single
came out, space oddoddity, it w around. once he got fame, the artistry, and the fact that he changed his image constantly. we kind of see artists doing that now, but when they do it, they say it's because david bowie did it. lady gaga, take an artist who says she was influenced by the man. he was unique to the end. >> and, steve, you talk about david bowie's aim for fame early on in his career. where would you place that success toward the end? he released this album on friday. he was also to be honored at carnegie hall in new york with a concert march 31st. cindy lauper and the mountain
dpo goats performing. when we look back and talk about legacy, and his mark, how do you sum that up to just a few things? what would it be? >> i think it's just that ability to remain unique. constantly throughout with every album. you have the ability to shock and surprise, and it's whether you look at the earlier period when he said glam rock is where it's at so where he hooks up to tone n a tony and produced albums in the 70s. he was in the midst of a major drug problem in the mid 70s. he had to ability to stop, pause, capture what was going on somewhere else, put his finger on the pulse of something that perhaps everyone else hadn't recognized and follow that path, a very unique president that no one would have seen that's coming n. that's what he did. he didn't need to follow others, maybe at the beginning, but after that, he led, and he led
until the end. he didn't really need fame. he knew that we all craved to be knowing what he's listening to and likes. he didn't really need that fame toward the end which is why he retired into obscurity, but that's a total mistake and summed up the man that we could never put our finger on. but apparently at heart was a friendly, funny, down to earth day but a superior artist. you don't get many like that. >> you don't, and as you say he shocked and surprised not only throughout his career. he has done this in death, and we're still trying to gasp this, and talking with steve who is an entertainment reporter in london. many thnanks to you for sheddin more light on the incredible career of david bowie who has died at the age of 69. we're going to have more on this. still to come, stay with us on cnn. snoes
. >> a quick recap of the top story. david bowie has died. >> bowie fought an 18-month battle with cancer. the creative genius had just released his final album, "black star" on friday which was his 69th birthday. we want to turn now to north korea and its claim that a detainee charged with espionage is a u.s. citizen. >> cnn got access to the man who identifies himself as a naturalized american citizen. >> cnn is the only u.s. broadcaster in north korea. will ripley is there. you had an opportunity to talk
with the prisoner that north korea says is a u.s. citizen. what did he say to you and how can his citizenship status be confirmed at this point? >> reporter: well, this is really an unusual case, rosemary. a lot of times we've come into north korea and we're already aware of people who are being detained here. either it's been reported by state media or the case was reported elsewhere. in this particular elsewhere, kim dong chul was unknown to us. he has not been reported anywhere. we were told there was an american citizen detained on suspicion of espionage. he's 62. he was born in south korea but became a united states citizen in 1987. he showed us his american passport. he commutes back and forth into
north korea where he's a president of a business that employs workers. he had access in the country, and he admitted -- we don't know if it was duress, but he said he bribed someone who give him top secret information. he said he did it for more than a year making four trips into south korea. he's an american citizen, but he said he was not spying on behalf of the united states. he said it was on behalf of south korea. let me ask v you listen to him and explain how he did it. >> reporter: how did this work? how did you pass on the information you collected? >> translator: i bribed a local resident and had him gather important materials considered secrets such as military secrets, nuclear related materials. i got the materials, hid them in my car and handed them over in china or i would go to south
korea and deliver them directly. >> reporter: the south korean government calls his claims completely groundless. they deny what he is saying and the u.s. state department will not even confirm that he's a u.s. citizen. they won't comment on the case saying it's their policy not to comment because they don't want to complicate the situation further. they say they work tirelessly to try to bring american citizens home who are detained in places like north korea. it's difficult. as you know south korea and united states have no diplomatic relationship with pyongyang. >> will ripley reporting live. if you're wondering about the noise in the back, that was an alarm in pyongyang. zblchl >> students are returning to class. some 90 months ago it was the site of an al shabaab massacre that killed 141 people.
>> the school now has a constant police president. the school's reopening is a symbol of resiliencresilience. let's turn to a security specialist. only four al shabaab gunmen were able to pull off this horror. what kind of reassurances can the government give that this will not happen again beyond the added security on campus? >> i think to be very honest, what the government is trying to do is to give some assurances both to local and international audience that as a government they're trying to fight al shabaab. i think the fact that they've put security system on the
ground manned by the kenya police can't necessarily guarantee 100% the safety of the students who wish to go back to that university. what i think should be done, is as much as the government is trying to rerespondee respond, d have taken a bit of time to calculate confidence within the local community where the university is located, and then in totality, the kenyan people that you can go back and feel safe. that ensures that that part of the country and the country in totality is secured and confidence is built within the kenyan people that our landing institutions are safe and secure. >> i once it'll take a series of steps. it's just a move in the right
direction. beyond words and reassurances, how will the students be helped? it's unclear how many will return. surely all of them with dealing with the emotional al mental trauma of that attack? in what ways are studenting bei -- students being cared for? >> there was a lack of coordination. the government wasn't prepared to deal with the situation. after the end of the kills, we noted that many students actually decided to locate to the main campus. i think as a fast tip, our kwuf yoof university should work with the government to augment government forces that are trying to establish security in the cam s campuses so as the universities,
they take ownership to make sure the campuses are safe. two, we know there's been serious lack of mechanisms and systems in the universities, not necessarily related to terrorism but even in other circumstances where students find themselves in positions where they need help. we have suggested, and i speak as we, because i'm from the private consult's area. we subtl we suggested they must as a matter of priority, work with trauma centers to ensure that these things have access to the student population. >> the post trauma sen thor the is a good session there. i apologize to cut you off, but we're under the clock at the moment. i appreciate you joining us, the director of the african center
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back to our breaking news here on cnn. david bowie has died. he had been fighting cancer for the last year and a half. this according to his publicist. >> he captivated audiences worldwide with his sound for more than 40 years. he is survived by his wife, supermodel imam and his two children. he was 69 years old. we mention his children. this was a tweet sent by his son duncan jones. he said very sorry and sad to say it's true. i'll be offline for a while. love to all. the world is trying to absorb this news. we want to thank you for watching us here on cnn. i'm rosemary church. >> and i'm errol barnett. continue to follow us as we follow this story and other news
breaking news this morning. iconic singer david bowie dies at age 69 after a battle with cancer. what we're learning this morning ahead. breaking overnight. the extradition process to bring el chapo to the united states has begun and questions mount with the interview in the jungle with sean penn. and our reporters are speaking with the man who says he is being held by the government there. welc