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republicans running for president going after each other on the debate stage. sharpening attacks throughout the night turned personal. breaking down the big moments. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm alison kosik. it is january 15th. there were no more mr. nice guys in the debate in south carolina. nowhere near center stage. gone was the courtesy from earlier debates we have seen. instead with the first votes in iowa two weeks away, four of the candidates, donald trump, ted
cruz, marco rubio and chris christie, they mostly just went for it. >> back in september, my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from ever which way. there was no issue there. there was nothing to this birther issue. now, since september, the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> there's a big question mark on your head and you can't do that to the party. you can't. >> i spent my entire life defending the constitution before the u.s. supreme court. i'm not going to take legal advice from donald trump. >> ted cruz, you used to say you support doubling the green cards. now you say you are against it. >> i appreciate you dumping your research folder on the stage.
half of the things marco said are flat out false. >> unfortunately, governor christie endorsed the ideas that president obama. >> i stood on the stage and watched marco and rather indignantly and look at governor bush and said someone told you because we are run for the same office, that criticizing me will get you to that office. it appears that same someone is whispering in marco's ear, too. >> we don't need a weak person as president of the united states. i tell you what, we don't need that. >> i guess i can frame it another way. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> and in the end, though, all eyes were on the two candidates at the top of the polls. trump and cruz. chief political correspondent dana bash has more.
>> reporter: the bromance is over. it became clear watching cruz and trump it is a two-man race right now especially when it comes to iowa. on the issue whether or noted cruz is eligible to be president, one that donald trump brings up over and over and over again, at the end of the debate, by the end, it seems that trump bested cruz on the whole issue that cruz tried to hit him with which is the new york issue. saying he has a new york attitude. cruz was asked what that meant. he didn't answer. trump came back talking about the 9/11 new york that he knew. the post-9/11 and the way new yorkers came together. that is what mr. trump talked to me about after the debate. >> he made a terrible statement that insulted 20 million people. i was there after the world trade center came down.
i was there. new yorkers were the bravest people that i and many others have ever seen. i was down there the day after and i want to tell you, i have never seen a sight like it in my life. thousands of people killed. two massive buildings down. the way new york came back and rebuilt and did it with grace. with absolute grace. you can't make a comment like that about new york. >> reporter: now trump left here and went to iowa. he will do stops there in the morning. that is a place trump wants to win to stop cruz's momentum. they are neck and neck in polls there. the question is whether or not trump can get the voters out who might not have ever caucused before. it is not something that is an easy thing to do. you don't go and check a box. you have to go and stand for hours. the trump campaign insists they will get new caucus goers and
get people out to the caucuses that have never been there before. bottom line is, donald trump has to make sure that happens and has an organization that hasn't been seen when it comes to the republicans in iowa. alison and christine. >> dana, you can see all of dana's interview with donald trump coming up. he has more to say about ted cruz's birther issue and paying for the campaign out of his pocket. that is on "new day" at 6:00 a.m. let's sort through the debate and bring in tom lobianco. first, give me your initial impression. who did well here? who didn't register on the debate stage and the tone? what's your initial reaction here? >> it clearly was the donald trump and ted cruz show. no doubt about that. you know, people are still picking through deciding who won the battles and who won the war.
who was the ghost here? john kasich. you know, we didn't hear much from him. undercard winner by default was rand paul by not showing up. donald trump and ted cruz. this was the battle royale, we have been waiting for. on the birther issue and new york values. they dominated the night. >> trump actually had a moment there on stage to flush out more of his birther argument. we will listen to what he said and come back. >> we are running. we are running. he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay?
the fact is and if for some reason he beats the rest of the field, he beats the rest of the field. see they don't like that. they don't like that he beats the rest of the field because they want me. >> why are you raising this issue now? >> because now he is doing a little bit better. it's true. he never had a chance. now he's doing better. he has probably a 4% or 5% chance. >> so we hear trump focusing on the citizenship of cruz and how relevant that is as he continues to make the run for president. was this issue put to bet on stage last night? >> not at all. as laurence tribe said on our air, the harvard professor, who donald trump has been citing throughout this and was ted cruz's law professor at harvard,
quote, if he put it to bed, he certainly is alone. so the bar is very low for trump on this. all he had to do is raise the question and keep it going. it was the moderator who brought up the question. trump breathed air into it. cruz had to kill it. cruz had to completely destroy it. let's look ahead. so here's a case. the two of them, he might win this immediate one, trump that is, by keeping it alive, but there is something worse for trump out there right now which is the prospect of the two-man race. you can't destroy cruz too badly. if he does, then he faces real peril in head-to-head match ups with cruz down the line. >> does this really matter to voters in the end? think about the issues we face in the country. >> sure. we have seen movement in the polls in iowa as cruz pointed
out. as the numbers changed, you saw this attack come up about a week and a half ago. trump has nailed it consistently since then. it has had an effect in iowa. cruz is still leading there, but not by nearly as much as he was a few weeks ago. it is moving voters at least in iowa. it's effective. >> let's talk a little bit about an attack this week from ted cruz on donald trump about new york values. a lot of people wondering what he meant by new york values and was that such a bad thing for a conservative base. listen to the cruz/trump exchange on that last night. >> everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro gay marriage. focused around money and the media. >> new york is a great place. it's got great people.
its got great people and loving people. when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully and humanely than new york. i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. >> donald trump taking that new york values comment and really masterfully -- looking like a politician, frankly and not a businessman. the newspapers. "drop dead, ted." "you don't like new york values?" go back to canada. ouch. >> headlines written only how they can. >> does this work for ted cruz or for donald trump? >> a lot of us were talking about that yesterday around the office. you know, this is in politics, we call this dog whistle. it's going to mean something different to the different audiences. it is really targeted at an iowa
audience. i used to work in indiana and ted cruz might have had to explain this on stage last night, but for a lot of folks in the midwest, you don't have to explain this. it evokes a certain feeling. that is what he is going for with that iowa crowd right now. he won just by bringing it up. in a sense, the bar was low for trump when he is bringing up the birther question. the bar is low for cruz bringing up new york values. effective attacks from both really. >> all right. we'll talk to you soon. i think you are coming back in a half hour. you coming back? >> sounds about right. >> more to talk about. >> nice to see you. time for an early start on your money. stocks futures are lower. markets in europe are down. shanghai is posting another huge loss. oil trading below $30 a barrel. yesterday, big gains for stocks.
investors staging a relief rally. look at the chart. the week has been wild. two decent gains on monday and tuesday. a big loss followed by the biggest gain of the year. here is where the market is today. dow dropped 6% this year. that is more than 1,000 points with thursday's rally. nasdaq is the biggest loser. 7.8%. the s&p 500 is off almost 6%. about half of the companies in the s&p are in a bear market. >> you are seeing all of the major indices in a correction. new arrests in the isis attack in jakarta that targeted westerners. heightened security in the city. we will take you there live next.
welcome back. security forces in indonesia arrested three suspected terrorists with the deadly bomb blast in jakarta. the attack killed two people and wounded 24 others. isis is taking responsibility for the attack. let's go live to jakarta and bring in cnn's saima mosha. >> reporter: there have been early morning raids. police cannot confirm, christine, if these are men linked to the attacks.
police have told cnn they were expecting attack of some kind around christmas or new year. they have been on high alert since the beginning of the year. several arrests they made. they named the main terror suspects. the man they believe to be recruiting and financing young men like the ones that carried out the attacks yesterday. to carry attacks out in indonesia in the name of isis. baroun. he fled to syria. he is apparently conducting attacks or recruiting from raqqah in syria. there is a strong reaction against the attacks yesterday as you rightly mentioned. this is the world's largest muslim population. 250 million people live in indonesia. 200 million of them are muslims. now the muslims that i'm in the
grand area here for friday prayer speaking out against these people. calling them the infidels. saying they don't know islam. the imam today saying terrorism is a crime against humanity. these men no nothing of islam that carry out the attacks. islam is not meant to scare or spread fear through violence. a lot of people coming out and speaking, including this afternoon, a major inter faith harmony meeting. buddhists and hindus and catholics with islamic scholars. >> saima mohsin, thank you. a sacramento man has been indicted for lying about his links to terrorism. iraqi born muhammad jahid is accused of making false statements when he said he went to turkey in 2013 to visit his group. prosecutors say he went to turkey to join a militant group.
al jayab was arrested last week in california and texas. the obama administration taking steps to take on climate change. new coal mining leases on public lands. part of the overhaul and how the government manages coal resources. some 40% of the coal in the u.s. comes from public lands. planned parenthood filing suit against the center for medical progress. it produced heavily edited videos discussing the sale of fetal tissue. that led lawmakers to try to strip federal funding. planned parenthood does not profit from the sale of tissue donations for medical research. it claims they set up a bogus
procurement company and set up the meetings that were illegally taped. officials are investigating whether contaminated water in flint, michigan is linked to legionnaires' disease after the cases spiked after the switch from the water supply two years ago. 87 people were sickened. >> of course, the big issue is the lead in the drinking water. children have been drinking water tainted with lead for months. two years. >> so many people affected. >> the cost to save money and switch water, they ended up basically burdened the community for generations to come with the damage from lead. new details on how ten american sailors ended up in iranian waters as the country moves closer to international sanctions being lifted. that's next.
u.s. sailors wound up in the iranian guard. they were captured in iranian territory waters. the navy say they had a navagational error and engine trouble. iranian tv shows a video of one sailor apologizing for the mistake. that puts the state department john kirby on the defensive. >> we were able to get them home in less than 24 hours. nobody hurt. all safe. we got our boats back. >> the criticism comes days before the administration hoped to celebrate implementation of the iran nuclear deal. the iran announced the core of the reactor for the crucial step of implementation. let's bring in cnn's frederik
pleitgen. the sailors revving up the debate. >> reporter: it is, alison. one thing you have it serious political tensions with the united states and iran in many fields. the detention of the sailors and the navy fire a rocket next to the aircraft carrier. you have the progress on the nuclear front. we expect the international atomic agency to announce that iran is in compliance that it needs to do to get sanctions lifted. that process will probably happen over the weekend. that process will be significant. the iranians believe they have access to $50 billion worth of frozen assets. they will sell oil internatio l internationally and up the input of 500,000 barrels a day and do international business.
a lot of companies are waiting to see if the nuclear agreement is holding or will hold to send their people back in and try to make investments. iranians expect a much stronger economy quickly and that has a lot of people internationally in israel and saudi arabia and the u.s. as well worried. they believe that an economically much stronger iran could become a big problem on the political and military front internationally. >> you continue to see this issue of whether or not iran can be trusted and you see this incident with the u.s. sailors. you have senator mccain saying this detention he calls an arrest was a violation of the geneva convention and not to mention the pictures iran took and putting out of the u.s. sailors. mccain saying humiliating the u.s. then mccain saying the obama administration looking the other way when it comes to iran. >> reporter: it is a very, very
difficult political debate. certainly one of the things that struck people on was the fact there were photos of the sailors with their hands over their head as iranians entered the boat. no question that a lot of people are angry about what happened. we also see that there is a political process going on with the u.s. and iranians at this point in time. the fact that these sailors were released in 24 hours is something that is very significant. at the same time, you also have iranian hard liners that continue to play hard ball and continue to say things against the u.s. continue to do things like put out videos of the sailors and firing shots close to a u.s. aircraft carrier. there is a possibility that the relations with the u.s. and iran could go away. the governments right now, obama administration and rohouni administration. we will see if it lasts. >> the sanctions lifted in a
welcome back to "early start." i'm alison kosik. >> i'm christine romans. nice to have you here this friday morning. it is 33 minutes past the hour. you know, there were no more mr. nice guys at the republican debate in south carolina. at least nowhere near center stage. gone was the courtesy from earlier debates. instead with the first votes in iowa just over two weeks away, at least four of the candidates, donald trump and ted cruz and marco rubio and chris christie, mostly went for it. >> back in september, my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from every which way. there was no issue there. there was nothing to the birther issue. now. since september, the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> there's a big question mark on your head and you can't do that to the party. you really can't. >> i spent my entire life defending the constitution
before the u.s. supreme court. i'll tell you, i won't take legal advice from donald trump. >> ted cruz, you used to say you support the doubling of green cards. now you are against it. you used to support a 500% increase in guest workers. now you are against it. >> i appreciate you dumping your research folder on the table. at least half of the things marco said are flat out false. >> governor christie has endorsed many ideas that president obama supports. common core. >> i stood on the stage and watched marco look at governor bush and said someone told you because we are running for the same office that criticizing me will get you to that office. it appears that the same someone has been whispering in marco's ear, too. >> we don't need a weak person being president of the united states. that's what we get if it were jeb. i tell you what, we don't need that. >> i guess can i frame it
another way. not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> oh, there is the new york values thing. all eyes on the top of the polls. trump and cruz. dana bash has more from south carolina. >> reporter: christine and alison. it is official. the bromance with cruz and trump is over. it became clear watching them in the debate they are a two-man race for the top right now. especially when it comes to iowa. on the issue of whether or noted cruz is eligible to be president, one that donald trump brings up over and over again, at the end of the debate, by the end, it seemed that trump bested cruz on the issue that cruz tried to hit him with which is the new york issue. saying that he has a new york attitude. cruz was asked what that meant.
he didn't answer. trump came back talking about the 9/11 new york that he knew. the post-9/11 new york. the way new yorkers came together. that is something mr. trump talked to me about after the debate. >> he made a terrible statement when he insulted 20 million people. i was there during the death and destruction. the world trade center came down. two 110-story buildings. i was there. new yorkers were the bravest people that i and many others have ever seen. i was down there the day after. i want to tell you, i have never seen a sight like that. the way new york came back from that and rebuilt and did it with grace. with just absolute grace. you can't make a comment like that about new york. >> reporter: trump left here and went straight to iowa. he will have stops in the morning. that is a place where trump really wants to win to try to
stop ted cruz's momentum. the two of them are neck and neck in polls there. the question is going to be whether or not trump can get the voters out who might not have ever caucused before. it is not something that is an easy thing to do. you don't just go and check the box in a ballot box. you have to go and stand there for hours. the trump campaign insists they will get new caucus goers and get people out to the caucuses who have never been there before. the bottom line is donald trump has to make sure that happens and has an organization that hasn't been seen when it comes to the republicans in iowa. alison and christine. >> dana, thank you. you can see all of her interview with donald trump on "new day" at 6:00 a.m. and helping us sort through the back and forth the debate, let's bring in tom lobianco. thank you for getting up early for us today. who came out the victor and who
came out the winner? >> this was the trump versus cruz battle we have been waiting for. it is hard to pick one victor there. in a way, they are both winners because they dominated the stage. they maintained the attention and momentum at this critical time before we head into iowa. that was huge. you could tell by the issues that they hit on and what they played on. nobody was sitting on anything. he played that clip where cruz accused rubio of dumping his research. every attack he had left in his pocket. this is the time to dump the op-book. >> the opposition research you do on all of your candidates. really three moments, i think, three themes of that debate last
night. the birther fight with ted cruz and donald trump. trump crushing cruz or trying to on new york values and that rubio slamming cruz on the senate record. let's start with the birther report. that is not going away. trump explaining a scenario in which he chooses ted cruz as his vice president and this happens. listen. >> we are running. he does great. i win. i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. i don't like that. okay? the fact is and if for some reason he beats the rest of the field -- he beats the rest of the field. see, they don't like that. they don't like that. they don't like that he beats the rest of the field because they want me. >> why are you raising this issue now? >> because now he is doing a
little bit better. it's true. i can't care before. he never had a chance. now he's doing better. he has probably a 4% or 5% chance. >> tom, that's the playbook. trump takes someone's argument and turns it against them. cruz said this wasn't an issue for you in september when your lawyers looked this up and down. now it is an issue because i'm beating you in iowa. >> absolutely. you know, the bar is so low for the birther question. all he has to do is bring it up and maintain it and keep on hammering away at it. it is proven effective thus far. this has cut into cruz's lead in iowa. he is still leading there. not by as much as he was a few weeks ago. so it is working. take that and trump always has a big stage. put him center stage on the biggest stage and make the same argument and it drives it home further. it's a good attack for him.
cruz did the best he could, but frankly, there is not much you can do with something like that. >> and you have cruz using his best jab against trump saying that trump is somebody with new york values saying he is socially liberal and pro gay marriage and pro abortion. i want to show you what "the daily news" put out this morning. "drop dead, ted." we blurred this out because it is disrespectful. that says it all. you think that is back firing this retort from cruz to trump? >> characteristic "new york post." it's what we call in politics a dog whistle. ted cruz is doing here. he's speaking to one audience. if you are a new yorker or in
d.c., you are not hearing it the same way. cruz says that donald trump representing new york values. he doesn't have to explain the new york values. i do think it was interesting that when pressed about it last night, he did explain. he said in his mind, social liberalism. focused on money, celebrity. these are all things that go right to the iowa, midwestern social conservative base. you know, it might be back firing here, but it is the type of thing that will play well out there. >> interesting. let's talk about marco rubio. slamming cruz's senate record. saying really a laundry list of things that ted had voted for. listen to one of the clips. >> in fact, the only budget you have ever voted for ted in the senate is a budget for rand paul that brags about our cuts to defense. if i'm president of the united
states, and congress tries to cut the military, i will veto that in a milisecond. >> i want a response. there is no way he launches an attack -- he had no fewer than 11 attacks there. i appreciate your dumping your oppo research folder on the debate stage. >> it's your record. >> do you think they like each other? >> funny. >> how did that work? >> you see that giant grin from rubio? that's because he sort of hit. frankly that was one of the issues. you know what was interesting is how well rubio was. rubio used to get the bumps out of the debates. rubio scored a nice hit there. you could see cruz was not happy with it. he's like don't throw everything
you got at me. that is what he is trying to say. it worked. >> rubio said it is not oppo research, sir. it is your record. tom, thank you. we will talk to you soon as we dissect all of the interesting moments from the debate. let's look at your money. dow futures are lower. big rally on thursday. losses in europe this morning. look at that. watching europe getting worse. asia posting losses overnight. back in the u.s., goldman sachs is paying to clean up shady deals in the financial crisis. paying $1.8 billion to pay the civil penalty and that is $875 million in cash. goldman sachs included loan forgiveness for homeowners under water and support for affordable
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security forces in indonesia have arrested three suspected terrorists in connection with the deadly bomb blast in jakarta, indonesia. the attack killed two people and wounded 24 others. isis is taking credit for the operation. signaling a trouble expansion by the terror organization into the heavily populated muslim country in the world. let's go to jakarta and bring in cnn's saima mohsin. did they have any indication a terror attack could be imminent? >> reporter: they did, alison. they had warnings that this might be in the offing. particularly around christmas and new year. that's why they have been carrying out raids throughout december 2015 and into the new year. you mentioned three arrests. they have not confirmed the three people arrested are directly linked or part of the planning and recruitment of the attacks yesterday. they have yet to confirm that.
there has been concern that something like this might take place. that is not surprising as you say. there is concern that isis is trying to embed itself in indonesia. to give you perspective. there are around 500. it is considered to be conservative estimates, but 500 men and women who left indonesia alone to go and fight in iraq and syria. it is when they return here with an extremist violent mindset that the concern begins. that is what we potentially saw yesterday. the main suspect in this, a 32-year-old man who is apparently based in raqqah, syria. he sends money to young many to carry out attacks like the one we saw yesterday. 500 fighters over in iraq and syria potentially returning here. compared with 200 million muslims in indonesia.
many of them talking to me at the grande mosque, alison, saying they don't speak for us. this is not about islam. many of them calling these attackers infidels. and imam is calling it terrorism and a crime against muslims. indonesians do not want to support any of these terrorist attacks. >> thank you, saima. details on how ten american sailors ended up in iranian waters. we have that next.
which indicates a combination of navagational error and engine trouble. iranian tv shows a sailor apologizing for the mistake. that put defense secretary john kirby on the defensive. >> we are happy that we were able to get them home in less than 24 hours, ten fingers, ten toes, all safe. we got our boats back. >> the criticism comes days before the administration hopes to celebrate implementation of the iran nuclear deal. iran announced the removal of the reactor which is a crucial step of the implementation. let's bring in cnn's frederik pleitgen. still a lot of skepticism if inspectors will really know if iran is holding up its end of the deal. >> reporter: that is something that a lot of people who are
skeptical have been saying. there are parts of the agreement that allows iran to police its own nuclear sites. however, the international atomic agency said it is satisfied with what iran is doing so far. the iranians believe and the administration believes that the iaea is going to announce today that the iranians have done everything they need to do to get sanctions relief in return. if they get sanctions relief, that is something that will make iranians stronger in a short time. they believe they will have access to $50 billion in assets that have been frozen. they will be able to sell 500,000 barrels of oil a day more and they will be able to access international monetary markets. if you see the tensions that have been going on between the u.s. and iran over the past couple days over the sailors and also with the iranian
revolutionary guard navy firing shots at the aircraft carrier, that is bringing on tensions. there is a communications line to the iranians. it is something that helped sort differences out. however, there is still a lot of tensions on both sides. the iranian wants to bring on the tensions. let's get a look at your money. markets in europe are dropping. asia finished mixed. we are keeping an eye on general electric today. selling appliance unit to china. the deal is worth $5.4 billion. they tried to sell to electrulux. earlier this week, it announced it is move headquarters from
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technology. there will be an app to allow the audience members to interact with the play. >> that is the only show where the iphone is welcome in the theater. >> they will not have please turn off your cell phone. ""early start" continues right now. republicans running for president going after each other on the debate stage. we're breaking down the big moment. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm alison kosik. >> nice to have you here. good morning. i'm christine romans. it is friday, january 15th. 5:00 a.m. in the east. no more mr. nice guys at the republican debate in south carolina. gone was the courtesy from earlier debates. instead with the first votes in iowa two weeks away, at least four of the candidates, donald trump, ted cruz, marco rubio and chris christie mostly went for it. >> back in september, my friend donald said he had his lawyers
look at this from ever which way. there was no issue. there was nothing to the birther issue. now since september the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> there's a big question mark on your head and you can't do that to the party. you really can't. >> i spent my entire life defending the constitution before the u.s. supreme court and i'll tell you, i'm not taking legal advice from donald. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you are against it. you used to support a 500% increase in the guest workers. now you are against it. >> i appreciate you dumping your oppo research folder on the stage. >> it's your record. >> do you think they like each other. >> half of the things marco said are flat out false. >> unfortunately, governor christie endorsed many