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heart out. we're facing a calendar that favors her. >> we will soon know one way or another the way this shakes out at least in new hampshire. great to see you guys. thank you very much. thank you for joining us at that hour for a special edition. >> that's right. you're headed to a polling place where you'll be the rest of the day. i'm back to new york to pick up coverage at 2:00 a.m. don't miss that. "legal coverage with ashleigh banfield" starts now. i'm ashleigh banfield, and welcome to "legal view." the big day is here. we are not talking mardi gras, folks. but it is mardi gras, in case you were wondering. the grand old party and the democratic party the ones to watch. not in new orleans but in new hampshire. the site of america's first presidential primaries. we could wax on and on about the candidates and stakes and polls. today, none of that matters
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because what really matters is the voters. i turn to my cnn colleague, joe johns, at a polling station in manchester, new hampshire, with the voters. behind you, it's not super busy. the story from the state where you are, joe, is it's supposed to be a record turnout today. >> reporter: very fast clip, i think you would say, ashleigh. right now so far as of just about five minutes ago when i checked, 900 people have come through here. that is faster than normal for presidential primary. want to give you an idea of what's going on. behind me, this line is for people to pick up their ballots. if you're a democrat and you're a registered democrat or republican and you're a registered republican, then you have to vote in that primary. if you're an independent, and 40% of people registered to vote
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in the state are independents, you can choose to be a republican or democrat for a day, or as it were, a couple of minutes here. as for getting to the ballots, you cross to the voting booths. boom, two minutes later, you have voted. you walk out, come here, near the exit. you see a woman standing over by a podium. you fill out a little slip of paper, and just like that, you can turn yourself back into an independent. it's an interesting process in the state. it's certainly -- it promotes increased voting. and i can tell you that's one of the reasons why there's so much unpredictablity in the state of new hampshire for the primary. >> they can do it to thwart someone on the other side that they don't like. interesting when you think about the magic of it all. joe johns, keep an eye on it for us. appreciate it. new hampshire deputy secretary of state david scanlon is live with me on the telephone from concord. thank you so much, mr. scanlon. great to have you. this is your day. i'm assuming you're busy. so i won't keep you long.
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i do want to know about these calls for record-breaking turnout. i know that your boss, secretary of state, said it was going to be a record-breaking day. you still think so? >> it is looking very good. the turnout is strong, steady. it's too early to say whether it's going to be a record or not. if the trend continues, it could very well be. >> then what about the weather? that is always an issue when it comes to the northern states and you in particular. what does it look like? >> we had a snowstorm last night which is not unusual for new hampshire in february. the snow ended at the time the polls were opening. the sun came out. it's a beautiful, chilly day. blue sky and clear roads. >> what about the polling stations? we've got a live shot up now if manchester. joe johns saying voting was at a steady clip. any issues with sort of the voting machines and the actual
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systematic method by which people get their votes counted? >> no. the phones in my office have actually been relatively quiet today which is a good sign. it means things are running well in the polling places throughout the state. we've had one call of a minor hiccup with one of the voting machines. other than that, things seem to be going smoothly. >> not to suggest that you don't have other work to do, you are in the office of the secretary of state. there is other business. there is big business, a big day for your state. for new hampshire. i wanted to ask you about the general tenor of the campaigns you've been watching in your state and the enthusiasm in response to it. can you sum that up for me? >> this has been a great campaign season. we have quality candidates on both sides of the ballot. new hampshire is an easy state for a candidate to get their name on the ballot. we have 30 candidates on the
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republican side and 28 on the democrat side. the tone and tenor of the debate has been great. a lot of competition out there. the citizens of new hampshire have been enthusiastic and passionate in their support of candidates. that's why we believe it's going to be a strong record turnout. >> it's great of you to take a few minutes to speak with us. thank you. and all eyes are on you and your office. and this race. we'll continue to watch throughout the day. thank you again. >> you're welcome. >> good luck to you. our coverage continuing now. want to take you straight to my fellow anchor erin burnett live on location in the great state of new hampshire. it's been such a busy day already, and it's only noon. >> reporter: i know. it has. everyone's talking about the lines earlier in the morning. i guess time will tell if it turns into this record-breaking turnout. the former governor was saying they thought they could get 65% up from 55% last time. could be obviously a very significant number tonight. it's going to be four more years, of course, before voters can expect to get their coffee
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topped off bystating governor for -- by a sitting governor for president. strange things happen on primary day. ohio governor kasich showed up at the red arrow diner in manchester, working the breakfast crowd. he was literally pouring coffee. the governors -- it's broken into a few groups. kasich, bush, and christie. theying to do well enough to -- they're trying to do well enough to get to south carolina. christie told chris cuomo that his bags are already packed. >> my airline reservation is for 8:00 tomorrow morning to south carolina. i intend to go. i don't have esp and don't know what's going to happen tonight. i feel like the trend is in the right direction for us. i think we'll do well tonight. we're going to get back in the fight in south carolina. it will be a fight. >> you got the governors, and then you have the senators, of course. you've got rubio fighting there with cruz. one of the senators telling cnn's dan bash that he, too, plans to leave new hampshire on
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a high note. >> how you feel being things? >> great. i've seen a lot of energy. people coming into the office last night to volunteer at the last second. we feel great. we're going to leave here with more delegates than we came in. we feel very positisitive about that. >> and senior political analyst and editorial director of the "national journal." cnn commentator who supports hillary clinton for president. and our republican strategist and columnist who supports donald trump. okay. >> yeah. >> all the cards are on the table. this is it. we were just joking, the three of us, the ballot, joe johns at a balloting place. there are 58 people running for president. in case you're out there -- you've been missing it. 58 people are on the ballot between the democrats and republicans. >> yeah. >> fewer who really matter. yeah. >> they all matter. >> this is best show in american politics, the new hampshire primary. it's just -- it's a bigger kind of more structured thing than the iowa caucus. you get the voters -- you need voters who said i've only met
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them three times, i haven't made up my mind. by the way, maybe if you get the "x-files" back on tv, but chris christie is talking a lot about esp. talked about it in the debate with marco rubio -- >> i know. >> esp this morning. look, it helps whittle the field. >> what about the expectations? cale, for you, it's all about that. donald trump has to do as well as his polls. >> he learned a valuable lesson in wii. -- in iowa. he pitch ovoted, he said, if i y one, that's a victory. he learned a good lesson. really, all the candidates did. you see rubio downplaying expectations. kasich hyped it a little. by and large, everyone's lowering the expectations so when they come up better than expected, they have a case to carry on for south carolina and the primary -- >> everybody has expectations. i was getting sick of it to be
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honest. on your side, everyone's lowering them, as well. bernie sanders wants to lower them. he doesn't want to have to win by a big margin. and hillary clinton thinks if the marge since nothing, she'll look like a -- margin, she'll look like a winner. >> we got a taste of it in iowa. when i saw marco rubio's speech out of iowa, i thought he won the primary. didn't know he came in third. the clintons do a good job. bill clinton is called the comeback kid in new hampshire. he lost by nine points. >> 19%. yeah. >> we'll see what happens tonight. i think if hillary clinton stays around ten points or gets beat by ten points or less, that's a good night for her. we don't know what's going to happen in new hampshire. she was up by nine points. i mean, down by nine points against barack obama and won the race. if bernie sanders loses, if donald trump happens to lose, the emperor has no clothes. >> that would be stunning. >> it would be. >> every one of the campaigns, when we've been talking to them, having operatives on, said they expect donald trump to win. yet, he has a ceiling -- 30%,
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31%. >> what benefits trump is the process that many republicans thought would happen doesn't look like it's going to happen. the most important thing that's happened in new hampshire may be something that doesn't happen, a consolidation -- >> you'll have people bunched together. >> cruz as an evangelical favorite, you have trump doing well with blue-collar voter. the right collar center right, mainstream conservative block which has picked the last nomii nominees, john mccain and mitt romney, looked consolidated. even if rubio does well, i think consolidation will be put back. that advantages cruz and trump going into south carolina. >> how many people will come out of here viable? >> more than we thought -- four or five. >> i've got five. >> five but i saw christie, he had his ticket book. >> it's not nonrefundable. >> i don't have -- i don't see christie. i don't see christie making it out. i see kasich making it out. bush, rubio, cruz, and trump. what i'm watching for tonight is something particular. if jeb bush lands ahead of marco
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rubio, then the race is on. >> right. >> the race has been on for that whole establishment. and it gives bush life. >> precedent isn't prophecy. but it's worth noting in the modern primary era, the republicans have never nominated someone who didn't win either iowa or new hampshire. and democrats have only done twice -- >> if trump wins, it points to the fact that this is an outsidaroutside ary -- outsider election. something like we've never seen. and we were talking earlier, it's a mirror image opposite of last time around where you had conservatives splitting the vote and leading to the coronation of mitt romney. now it's establishment footing the vote leading to the coronation of the conservative -- >> on the democratic side quickly, on the overall margin, what happens among democrats? bernie sanders had a big margin among independents in iowa and will here. he lost democrats in the exit polls in iowa. if hillary clinton stays close in the long run, that's a challenge he'll have to get over. you can't win the nomination ultimately without -- >> voting for the party -- >> a truism.
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>> thank you very much to all three of you. thank you. and looking at the polls today, looking to be a good one for bernie sanders. again, that's the polling. we'll see what's actually happening at the polls. hillary clinton has been struggling to win over women this time around. how will she fare in the battle over the effects -- next two big states coming up. soup and sandwich and somewhere to go, and clean and real and nowhere to be, and warmth and looking good, and sandwich and soup and inside jokes, and dan is back! good, clean food pairs well with anything. the clean pairings menu. 500 calories or less. at panera. food as it should be. feels like each day liviis a game of chance.aine i wanted to put the odds in my favor. so my doctor told me about botox® an fda-approved treatment that significantly reduces
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it is primary day in new hampshire. you're looking at live pictures of voters who are heading to the polls in hudson, new hampshire. that's in the southeastern part of the state, about 35 miles from the massachusetts state line. new hampshire secretary of state said he's predicting a record turnout in the voting. his deputy said, whoa, we're going to hold off on that prediction. things look good, but it's only midday. we're going to hold off and see how things go. turnout, of course, critical, crucial you would say. both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are making their final pitch to the voters there as they get ready to cast their ballots. if turnout is high today, i believe this is the -- if it's high today, i believe we will win, a tweet. i urge you to vote today, thank you, says bernie sanders this morning. hillary clinton also with an
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embedded video of children in her tweet saying that they were voting for their future. mrs. clinton could make history as the country's first female president. yet, many young women are actually supporting bernie sanders. want to talk more about this and issues with us, political comment erika tarantala st commenters and representatives. i love pulling things out from years ago whether they are propheteprov prophetic or pulling things out. in 2008 when clinton carried the women's vote in the state, she won, listen to what she said as she wrapped up her campaign in june about the women's vote. take a look. [ applause ] >> lalthough we weren't able to shatter that hard creeling this time -- ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. [ cheers and applause ]
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>> and the light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be laa little easier next time. >> the path will be little easier next time. robert zimmerman, not so. not so. >> look, ashleigh, i don't concur with you on that. >> you don't? >> i don't indeed. >> she's struggling with the women's vote. >> here's the point, in many part of the country, we've seen the path easier for women. in new hampshire, women hold every major democratic -- democratic elected women -- hold every major position in the state. >> i'm talking about for hillary. i think we're only talking about hillary in this segment. >> no question she has to work harder. my point, she has to work harder to reach young voters. likewise, bernie sanders has to work a lot harder to reach a more diverse population, more diverse audience. hillary won amongst women in iowa by 11%. she's up amongst women in south carolina, 67-31. the numbers in new hampshire make the state different and
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make it a challenge. >> the poll for new hampshire. you mentioned iowa, yes, she got crushed by women -- by bernie in iowa. in new hampshire, it looks awful for her. 87% of 18 to 34-year-old female democrats were polled -- you know, this is really only a week's worth of data here ago. 87% to 9%. tara, i'll skip you because we know how you feel about hillary clinton. >> i was going to say some being robert saying there's all these women elected in new hampshire. that's hurting hillary clinton because their defense of the history of electing a woman. they're like, we've been doing this for a while. >> it's a nonissue for us. particularly younger. they're like, no, you need to earn it. than you're a woman. >> i get that. but numbers, 18 to 34-year-old women, sally, 18 for -- that sways farther away. you would think to tara's point and rob's point are -- that
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would be 50/50. it's not. >> no. i have to bring this up. this is actually months ago. even before bernie was surging, i spoke with an older white female friend, registered democrat, in new hampshire, sitting in new hampshire, my father-in-law's porch. and i asked her who she was supporting and whether -- she was supporting bernie and whether hillary was a factor in wanting a woman president. she said pointblank, oh, i definitely want a woman president. i just don't want her to be president. and i think that's, frankly, how a lot of progressives, democratic voters feel. i want a woman president. i just don't want her to be a hoo hawk. i don't want her to be for big business and wall street. >> more diverse states, more states that look like the states of the democratic party, hispanic women, african-american women. states that look like the face of america today, that's where she's doing so well in the democratic contest. not just amongst women, as i mentioned in south carolina, where she's winning more by 2-1.
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amongst democrats, as well, the african-american community. >> are we getting too wound up, ladies on, these two states, iowa and new hampshire? >> absolutely. >> as we move to south carolina and nevada -- robert's right, she is crushing things. >> maybe, maybe. the problem here is that i don't think that the hillary clinton campaign anticipated that she would be this far behind with 18 to 34-year-old voters. i don't think they anticipated that. i thought -- remember -- >> she wasn't -- >> no. remember, in -- >> what happened? >> in one of the many iterations of her reinvention, the whole "i'm running as a woman" thing was something she thought would be an asset for her. it's turned completely on its head. in iowa, she lost -- >> all about reinvention -- >> that was her original thing. she had to reinvent herself five times. the running as a woman thing isn't working for her. it's not working -- >> it's partisan rhetoric. >> no, it's not -- >> robert -- >> the polls bear it out. >> they're both right --
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>> let me try and -- thank you. >> women are saying it themselves, not me. >> it's true. hillary ran away from the sort of unique historical nature of her candidacy when she ran in 2008 and has championed the women's power agenda of her candidacy this time around. that is totally true. also true is what robert's saying, that we can't say women are a monolith. that women of color still prefer hillary clinton. that is -- >> for now. i need a yes or no answer from all three of you. yes or no only, promise me. look, bernie is crushing in new hampshire by more than 2-1. 61-30, i think, in the last polling. is it wayne for hill -- is it a win for hillary if she only loses by single digits? >> absolutely. new hampshire is all about -- >> that's it. you? >> no. >> yes. just like for bernie in iowa. >> all right, thank you. appreciate it. both hillary clinton and bernie sanders will face off in the pbs "news hour" presidential
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democratic debate on cnn and your local pbs station this thursday night. 9:00 p.m. eastern time. make sure you catch that. that will be fresh off some results. lots of new stuff that they'll be talking about. it has been said that iowa picks corn and new hampshire picks presidents. the importance of today's primary not lost on the candidates. hoping to win over the roughly 44% undeclared and independent -- yes, 44%. so how can those candidates sway them? and do so in the last minute? and who stands to benefit the most? that's next. thanks. ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin) ♪ cut it out. >>see you tomorrow. ♪
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of the first in the nation presidential primary. live in manchester, new hampshire. decision day here. how often do voters in new hampshire decide on the candidate who goes on to win the nomination? they like to say it's all the time. we checked the facts. tom foreman takes a look. tom? >> reporter: hey, erin. our latest polls show that right now about one-third of republicans do not know who they're going to vote for yet in the new hampshire primary. about 15% of democrats, some people may wait until the very last moment, making it difficult to predict a winner based on the polls. but how good is new hampshire at picking nominees and presidents anyway? here are all of the democratic winners of the new hampshire primary since 1976. we're going to subtract all the presidents who were in office trying to hold on to the job. we wind up with seven people out there. out of these seven who won in new hampshire, how many became the party nominee? just jimmy carter, mike dukakis,
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glo al gore, and john kerry. only one went on to become president, and that was jimmy carter. what about the republican side? different or better there? well, let's lay them out since 1976. once again we subtract all of them who were in office just trying to hold on. and that brings us down to seven. and again, if we say how many of these new hampshire winners became the party nominee, we get four. once more, ronald reagan, george h. w. bush, john mccain, and mitt romney. out of them, only two became president. for all the talk of momentum and early leads, this really is just one step along the way to the presidency in new hampshire here. and it's not a guaranteed step at all. erin? >> all right, tom. now let's bring back our panel. bacari, brown, and caylee. this is -- >> there's a name for that. interesting point. >> a pretty damning, says, my
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gosh, new hampshire, blow it to smithereens. >> there's no single state other than south carolina on the republican side that's decisive. i think there are a couple of reasons. first, the outrised role of independents. undeclared were 45% in the last republican primary in '12 and democratic in 2008tua. on the democratic side, it's not representative of the coalition defined heavily by diversity. the changing face of america. you know, 35%, 40% of all the democratic votes in 2016 will probably be minority voters. here it's going to be 5%. then on the republican side, you don't have much evangelical presence. iowa and new hampshire between them actually give a pretty good boundary of the republican coalition. that synthesizes south carolina which has been the real decider. >> to your point about the demographic change, iowa and new hampshire, less than 3% of the population are african-american. then you come to south carolina where we're looking at more than 50% of the electiorate will be
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african-american. and nevada, you see more people of color playing a role in the choosing process. the demographics change and voters look different. >> are the independents really independents? this is something, donald trump hoping to get a lot of voters. a pollster this morning said only 3% to 5% of the total electorate is independent. people want to say we live in the world where everyone can get everything monogrammed. everyone want to be me, me, me, independent. but it's not -- >> that's exactly right. when you look at the numbers, that bears out. the question is, which way are independents going to break. it's interesting, they tend to break in the most contested area. for instance, in 2008, you saw them break for the democrats because that was the contested race. you had an excellent ground game on the part of barack obama here. hillary was fighting for her life. they came in strong for barack obama. breaking for the democrat side. meanwhile, four years ago, they broke republican because there was an incumbent president. there's something to say for
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independents wanting to be in the race, making a decision, making the vote meaningful. i think tonight you could see them break republican because bernie sanders seems to be the foregone winner. >> that's a very important fact. i think we go back to the game of expectations, and bernie sanders -- we're expecting him to have a large night tonight. and i met a guy earlier today. he told me his choices were kasich or sanders. for me, i don't necessarily know how i reconcile that in my head. >> how do you reconcile the trump/sanders -- >> exactly. he's going to votes for kasich because kasich needs the vote more. you know, that is just the way it's happening and breaking in new hampshire. >> and is there a feeling, ron, that they want to pick winners? when you look at the track record tom laid out, new hampshire doesn't generally pick winners s. there a feeling on a voter of i want to pick the winner in a primary process? >> i actually think less in iowa and new hampshire than later. iowa and new hampshire don't feel like they have to be bounded by what others think. they get to decide who the others get to choose among. i think particularly in iowa, there's -- you know, that kind
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of argument i think doesn't carry a lot of weight. i think there's something to adhere but less than in later states. >> from here, we heard chris christie saying he's got his ticket for tomorrow. everyone says he's going ahead. what are the states that are most important? obviously everyone says south carolina. but is that really the state to be looking at in the south? >> yes. south carolina, until the last time, until -- >> we voted for newt gingrich. >> every other time in the modern primary era going to 1980, one candidate won iowa on the republican side, one candidate won new hampshire. one won south carolina and was the nominee. social conservative, this is more moderate, white collar, economically moderate. south carolina brings that together. georgia has a similar profile coming later in march. i think that's important. what i think is a sleeper is arkansas. a blue collar, evangelical state voting march 1st. that's important because that's where the cruz and trump ven
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diagrams overlap. it will signal not only to the south but to the american states, missouri, ohio, michigan, illinois, where there are also a lot of blue-collar evangelicals. >> ron named half the map. >> yeah. >> i know, he left me with four states left. i take a look florida. i think florida's going to be important because of the sheer number of delegates that are assigned there. and on the republican side, if i'm not mistaken, i believe it's winner take all in florida. when you get to florida, if you have cruz, if you have trump, if you have rubio, if you have bush --not sure kasich can make it that far -- if you have those four, the money and energy that's going to be dumped into florida -- you know, florida is bush country. >> yes. >> he has -- >> and rubio. >> and trump. >> do or die for all of them. >> exactly right on this one. with florida being so important in this race. typically you see the republican field whittled down fairly quickly to two, maybe three candidates. we see now a path viable for five candidates to move forward. all of a sudden, these little states which might be split proportionally like in iowa, split eight for ted cruz, seven for trump, seven for rubio, all
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of a sudden, these cash cows become very important to cleave the way for an actual winner. >> how long can you have it be -- say you come out with five or six and you've got -- still, this establishment grouping, you got a rubio, a bush, kasich, you got christie evening, just say. how long can you have that many people stay in? >> historically, it's -- >> all about the money. >> now there's more money and more attention than ever before. really, there haven't been -- rarely have there been three viable candidates on the republican side as far as south carolina. we've only had two races -- >> now you're looking at five. >> more money and attention. marco rubio had an enormous opportunity coming out of iowa. there was a lot of momentum behind the idea that he would close off the others and consolidate that. if he doesn't do it here, it's not clear exactly where it gets done. the longer that goes, the more it benefits cruz and trump who have a more solid base than the other four. >> this drives many americans crazy. the influence and role of money in the process. we're about to see because having $100 million in your
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campaign account like jeb bush had at one point, that's a luxury to have. that's going to keep him afloat for a long period of time. then you see if christie does well when which -- i'm not sure he will. but say he comes in third or second, he has one or two donors to which he can get large sums for his pacs to keep him afloat. >> he would be thrilled to come in third. >> he will celebrate. >> he will. >> and the more viable for a ted cruz or donald trump nomination. i predict we'll have an unhappy establishment, unhappy possibly rnc. we'll look back and say when did this happen, how did we pave the way for these folks. it will be tonight. >> i hope the republican party has a brokered convention. that would be good tv. >> no. >> all right. thank you very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. new hampshire has had among the highest primary voter turnout rates in the country. usually north of 50%. we're hearing so far a former governor saying it could be 65% for the record books. we'll see.
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and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in! it is primary day in new hampshire. republican hopeful john kasich is looking ahead to states like south carolina and even michigan. last hour cnn asked the ohio governor about claims by a jeb bush strategist who says kasich has no play in south carolina. >> i can't begin to tell you how many millions of dollars have been actively spent against me by virtually every candidate in the field. yet, we're continuing to do
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well. and we think we have the momentum. we're going to take a big plane tonight to south carolina. we'll travel around like sardines. and now all the press wants to go. it's something to be in the center of this tsunami. you ought to believe virtually nothing of what you read and hear on this campaign day and only half of what you see. if you want to see what we have, you come on down to south carolina. you hear me? y'all come. y'all come. we'll be changing snowshoes for flip-flops, and we'll go from fried clams to jambalaya. come on down and see. >> like that. kasich tells cnn no matter what happens he's run a positive campaign and says he will have no regrets. we are still in new hampshire, folks. that's a state that's long enjoyed one of the highest voter turn toyotas of any of the primary -- turnouts of any of the primary states. this year the secretary of state there is predicting something big -- the number of people casting votes could in fact set a record.
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he says he expects 550,000 people to come out. his deputy said, hold on, we're only around the noon day now. we're going to hold back on that. expects things to be pretty active. want to give you perspective. about 35,000 people caucused -- 357,000 people caucused in iowa last week. so that's a lot more voters in new hampshire. chris frates is live at one of the polling stations in hudson, new hampshire. i'm looking behind you, taking a peek. does it look busy in the midday? >> reporter: yeah, it's been busy all day here, ashleigh. the folks here tell us about 3,200 voters have come through the door since they opened here at 7:00 a.m. about 1, 600 democrats, 1,600 republicans. about even in terms of which party folks are casting votes for. it had been a little bit more republican earlier. that's evening out as more and more folks come. behind me, you see a line of
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independent voters. voters who came in, chose democrat or republican ballots. and how it they're changing their affiliation -- and now they're changing their affiliation back to independent. i talked to two independent voters. one was a goldwater republican. he told me he voted for hillary clinton. i talked to another conservative republican. here's what he told me. let's listen to what some voters said earlier today. >> my archie bunker line is, my son is gay, and my daughter's jewish. >> reporter: is that a fact? >> that's a fact. obviously i'm sensitive to the views of the evangelicals about gay rights, of course. >> my original thought was to vote democratic. then i was going to vote for bernie against hillary and so forth because i think she's of the old school. but as i thought about it more and more and i got up to the table, i decided to go republican because i'm definitely republican. very conservative. and i ended up voting for john
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kasich. >> reporter: there you go. that is the kind of -- very difficult to tell where folks are going to go in new hampshire. independents here always able to choose one way or the other. i talked to bill yorkel, the one who was thinking sanders and went with kasich. he said that was largely because he had seen kasich campaign throughout this state. in fact, he's from the north country. and kasich was the only republican to go all the way up to dixville notch, which of course you know cast the first vote here in new hampshire at 12:00 a.m. he thought that swung his vote. that was something -- i was with the kasich campaign for a lot of the week, they thought their ground game in doing over 100 town halls would pay off. i talked to one voter who did. when we talked to the conservative goldwater republican who voted for hillary clinton, bruce atwood, i said, why didn't you vote for maybe the establishment -- christie you christie, jeb bush, marco rubio, they were moderate republicans and certainly after a vote like bruce atwood's.
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he told me, you know, i couldn't get down with them on the social issues. he thought that was important. the next president he told me will likely select the supreme court just. and he didn't want that justice to be too conservative. so it's -- >> always curious. right? that last group of people is huge. and it could be one little thing that changes their mind. and you're hearing it right there where they're making a decision. >> reporter: exactly. >> thank you. cnn will cover the new hampshire primary all day today. tune in for the voting and the results. battle for second place in the gop is so close. the polls show marco rubio, ted cruz, and john kasich so close, it's the jump ball that jeb bush was talking about. is he into it? we're following the candidates on the campaign trail on this exciting day in new hampshire.
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hours left on primary day in new hampshire. it is snow filled but not snowing. and very, very cold. no one is intimidated here. cities and towns can set their own poll closing hours. most close at 7:00 eastern. very soon thereafter, we'll get a somewhat clearer picture of this unconventional race for president. i say somewhat because, my god, it may not clear anything up. joining me, commentator sirius host michael smsmirkonish and c commentator. assume for a moment that donald trump comes out on top. if that happens, then you're saying there could be this clufter in the middle. and this cluster we were joking about what usual word comes out for cluster. it's both of those things. what happens if everyone is bunched up? >> everybody gets to say i'm still in this and let's get to south carolina. i'm thinking that's a likely outcome tonight. that whomsever number two -- this is a race for number two. i got off the radio, robert
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costa was one of my guests. he's been assigned the lead for the "washington post" tomorrow. it's not going to be trump. his lead is not going to be trump. it seems a foregone conclusion that trump wins. it's all about the race for number two. if someone comes in not by a large margin, they're all still packed together and keep fight figure they have money. >> if they have money. if you're packed into the bunch, don't have money now, are you going to be able to get money? someone like john kasich has momentum, he needs money. chris christie needs more money. jeb bush has money now. what about -- >> i think it depends which of them you are. i just left kasich, as well. -was on my radio -- he office my radio show this morning. he seems to be feeling the buzz. if you're kasich and come in in second position, i think you are a fund-raising vehicle. you get to see, see, i told you i can put this together. some of the others -- chris christie, if you're not really at the top of that pack, i don't know where you go for fund-raising. >> right. and what about if there isn't a clear second? right, what if donald trump
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comes in not at 30%? he comes in in the mid to low 20s, and everybody is really, 18, 17, 14. i could end up with a tough call for "second." >> great news for donald trump. isn't that the scenario? donald trump doesn't want to face one other individual particularly -- >> if he underperformed, that could still be a win. >> if trump wins but underperform and the others have clustered together and there's no identifiable establishment, some of them don't like that label, but there's no establishment candidate, it's great news for trump. the longer they're -- in my opinion, the longer they're on that stage, the better able he can do at distinguishing himself. >> okay. then there's this other -- this other thing looming in the wings. that, of course, is michael bloomberg. >> right. >> so michael bloomberg saying he might jump? . at first it was only -- might jump in. at first it was only if bernie sanders and donald trump won the nominations. now maybe if only donald trump wins, he would jump in only if hillary clinton won the
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nomination. do you think he is for real? that this is trial? >> i think tonight it becomes more likely that he gets in. if the polls hold, it will be bernie sanders by a large margin on the democratic side and donald trump for the republicans. i think that bloomberg has to wait for the sec primary on march 1st. beyond south carolina, beyond nevada to see what happens on march 1 and make his call. i take this for real and maybe wishful thinking. i would like to see an independent on that stage, on the debate stage forcing the left and the right to defend their views against a centrist. >> a centrist. which so many americans say they are. they say they are. are they really send significant in. >> 42 -- centrist? >> 42% say i'm an "i," not an r or d. they need that, too. unbelievable. >> exciting time to be a part of the process. ashleigh, back to you. >> thanks. thanks for watching, everybody. cnn will cover the new hampshire primary all day. tune in for the voting and
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results. wolf will pick up our coverage after the break.
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hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. thank you very much for joining us. we start in new hampshire. voting is now underway in the first in the nation primary. the presidential candidates are spread out across the state today. they're meeting and greeting voters as they head to the polls. they're trying to squeeze every last vote out of new hampshire. here's the snapshot of what we're seeing and hearing on the campaign trail today starting with james sanders, bernie sanders -- jane sanders, bernie sanders' wife, talking in manchester. >> we hope to win by at least one vote. and that should be fine.
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[ cheers ] >> i feel great. >> look, it's not over yet. we have to too well he-- to do here. each of these elections makes a big difference. we intend to change the narrative tonight. >> everyone's got better exceptions when they start. a good candidate changes. . i think i've done that here. >> i see a great election day. many people who will turn out, they have express their opinion. be part of this process. >> the voter are turning out. our correspondents, brian todd at the polling center in hudson. joe johns watching the voting in manchester. and our manu raju keeping an eye on all the candidates. brian, where you are now, are we seeing a good turnout anecdotally? what are you seeing? >> reporter: wolf, a very good turnout. this is the precinct in hudson, outside the city. nashua. this is as thin a crowd as w

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