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i like all of the other music selections as well. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern, in the "situation room." for international viewers, "amanpour" is next. for viewers in north america, "newsroom" with poppy harlow "newsroom" with poppy harlow starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com all right, top of the hour, 2:00 p.m. eastern. i'm poppy harlow. thank you for joining us. right now, it is crunch time for the presidential candidates. a mere 17 hours from right now, the polls will open in south carolina for the first republican primary in the south. as for the democrats, nevada's caucuses are also just a day away. we will get to that race in a moment. hillary clinton today nailing down a critical endorsement, big deal. we'll talk about that. the republicans, though, first, from 17 candidates to 6. the race for the nomination has gotten much leaner and many say much meaner.
just how will that all play out in the polls at the polls tomorrow? the gop candidates are blanketing south carolina, trying to sway voters into their camp. let's go straight to athena jones in spartanburg for us. you are with the jeb bush campaign. another big day because he's got his mother on the trail, former first lady barbara bush. it was helpful to him. people loved seeing her in new hampshire. i'm interested in seeing the reaction today and also the fact you've got senator lindsay gram from south carolina, backing bush, saying this is the state that will reset the race for jeb bush. the question is, athena, will it really. >> that is the question, poppy, we'll have too found out tomorrow. it's so interesting he says that because that's exactly what they were saying in north -- in new hampshire. on the night of the iowa caucuses when jeb bush wasn't in iowa, he was in manchester, new hampshire. he was making the argument to new hampshire voters that you can help reset the race so that argument continues. yes, you're right, he's having three stops today with his mother. very popular mother.
the former first lady barbara bush. the crowd here was excited to see her. she spoke only for a few minutes. but everyone was hanging on her every word. she talked about how bush is one of her four favorite sons. and about how he's honest and kind. but of course as you know pope this is all about them doing well in this race. in new hampshire, the night of the mprimary, jeb bush said, yo have given me a chance to move on t south carolina where we will do very well. so they raised the bar for themselves. listen to jeb bush talking about what's wrong with the other candidates in this race. >> donald trump has never shown any interest in anybody else other than himself and the two candidates that are gifted speakers, marco rubio and ted cruz, have shown nothing in their past that would suggest they can make a tough decision. they're very good at their own ambitions for sure and they're talented beyond belief. it's possible they could do the job. i'm not suggesting otherwise.
they're far better than hillary clinton or bernie sanders, don't get me wrong. but is there anything in their past that says they have the met l to do their job, that they have the backbone, they won't cut and run? >> so you heard jeb bush making an argument he has been making all along. some crowds are receptive to it. others not as receptive. and generally the voters are kind of wishy-washy on it too. if you believe the polls. he's in fourth place according to the polls. and they'll ready like to do better. they would like to beat not just john kasich but also senator rubio. we'll see if that happens. poppy. >> i think many would say this needs to be that reset moment that lindsey graham is talking about. we'll see if he can pull it out of a hat really there in south carolina. athena live for us, thank you so much. let's talk more about this, all of the republican candidates, of them all, who needs south carolina the most? is it jeb bush? is it john kasich who we heard last night say to the voters in
our town hall please, please, i need you to help me get on to these other states. here may be an answer. 1996 republican presidential nominee bob dole said this to the national review about the candidate that he has also chosen, jeb bush. quote, i'm not seeing a lot of movement there. he's got lindsey, that's senator lindsey graham from south carolina, helping him, and he's still at what, 10%, which is way behind the top three. remember, that's coming from bob dole who is backing bush. goes on to say, dole's remarks are an indication that even bush's strongest supporters are beginning to give up hope. let's discuss it. with me, pastor daryl scott of cleveland, a trump supporter. matt lewis, senior contributor to the daily caller and has predicted correctly in iowa and new hampshire. also washington political columnist dana milbank. thank you for being here.
some fascinating pieces you've had recently, especially one you wrote in the past week or so about jeb bush. you talked about his strong showing in new hampshire. the title of your piece, jeb bush is still not dead. do you feel like that today? >> well, popy, but the question is, when you try to make a forecast in a race as crazy as this. think of this, the front-runner for the republican presidential nomination is in a fight with the pope right now so it is completely perilous to make any prediction. jeb bush came out of new hampshire with a pulse. it looked like marco rubio had weakened and this was going to be a chance for bush to get back in the game. if we believe the polls, he hasn't quite pulled that off and rubio has rebounded to some exte extent. it's hard to tell, kasich, rubio, bush, but it is clear there's not going to be more than three tickets out of south carolina right now. there's no way to spin a fourth place finish in south carolina into some reason to tell the
voters, yeah, i'm really the viable alternative. >> but the war chest in terms of the money jeb bush still has. so that is certainly important. all right, matt, to you. obviously, as dana just said, the fight between donald trump and the pope, if you can call it a fight. trump really walked back a lot of that last night i thought in the town hall. here's what he said just a few hours ago today about the sort of spat, if you will, with the pope. >> yesterday, the pope was great, he made a beautiful statement this morning. they had him convinced that illegal many grags is like a wonderful thing. not wonderful for us. it's wonderful for mexico. it's not wonderful for -- and just so you know, understand, i have a very good relationship with mexico. i have a phenomenal relationship with hispanics. >> all right so if it's from an electability standpoint, matt, you have a lot of analysts saying this whole pope incident will not matter much. a good portion of the electorate
is actually catholic. what about in the general, matt? >> well, look, i think any time you want to take on pope francis who's incredibly popular and obviously devout catholics will not take kindly to that. i think there could be consequences. donald trump has been so good. he has this shtick down pat, you know, he comes out, he says something controversial, something provocative, and then he dominates the news cycle for 24 hours, you know. we're not talking about nikki haley endorsing marco rubio, we're talking about donald trump and the pope. so mission accomplished for donald trump. and then the next day, he sort of walks it back, becomes a little more conciliatory, a little more, you know, aw, shucks, did i really mean that kind of thing. he's just a master at this. as you noted it doesn't hurt him in south carolina at all. >> it is pretty remarkable how
he is seemingly able to move on so quickly from statements that i think at the outset, pastor, to you, are so shocking. you know, he stood in the -- he said i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue in new york avenue and shoot someone and my supporters are so loyal, they wouldn't walk away from me. as a pastor, and a trump supporter what are your thoughts on this back and forth about the pope? >> first of all, the pope needs to stay in his lane and stay out of american politics, first of all. second of all, the pope initiated this. everyone seems to insinuate that donald trump was the initiator in this. trump was the resipator of the pope's attacks. look, he's probably one of the most liberal popes in recent memory, so he chooses an american political party, he
chooses one to target for criticism. out of that one party, the conservative party, the party he should have been backing, is the one he choose to criticize, and then out of the six candidates, he chooses the one candidate who is the most outspoken about preserving christian liberty and defending christianity not only in america but around the world. you have bernie sanders who's an atheist. you have hillary clinton who supports same-sex marriage and abortion. the pope doesn't say anything about their supposed anti-christian platform. >> let me jump in and follow. to be fair, this was because he was asked the question specifically from a reporter about donald trump, that was his response. i want to play this for all of you. this is from a woman at the cnn town hall last night. just very concerned about trump's temperament if he becomes president. >> how are you going to govern and get buy-in from people you may totally disagree with without getting angry and without refusing to look for
common ground? >> pastor, to you, as a trump supporter, does the temperament concern you at all? >> no, it doesn't. there's a script in the bible that says be angry but sin not. there's something called righteous indignation. you want a lead they're displays passion. you don't want a robot. you certainly don't want low energy jeb bush. so you need somebody that displays passion. but being a negotiator. being a businessman. passion is one thing. but i don't believe his passion clouds his judgment in any way, form or fashion. >> dana millback to you, if we look at the electorate right now in this presidential election or if you look at the american people's response to the pope when he was here. i was in philadelphia seeing the reaction to him a few months ago. one thing that a lot of folks have said to me they do have in common is authenticity. they are who they are. your take, dana?
>> well, that is true to some extent and, i mean, you can see, this -- donald trump can, as pointed out a moment ago, said he could fire a shot down fifth avenue and he wouldn't lose supporters. we're talking 30% of the republican electorate right now. matt is correct, that's not going to hurt him one little bit. a fight with the pope not going to hurt him one little bit in the south carolina primary but when you look at that other 70% of republicans who haven't gone for trump yet, let alone the rest of the electorate, the man has gone after women, now he's having a fight with the leading catholic in the world. he's gone after disabled, after muslims, after immigrants, after latinos, african-americans. at some point, it's going to be very hard. forget about how he's going to govern. how do you reassemble some sort of coalition that can get you across the finish line if republicans solidify behind
trump? >> the argument is the numbers don't add up here, in terms of, you know, the delegates ultimately that trump would need to move on to a general. but look, matt, you're the one who correctly predicted cruz would win iowa. correctly predicted kasich would have a strong showing in new hampshire. i want your call on south carolina tomorrow. >> well, the problem is, you can win with 30% as long as there's six or seven republicans run. >> right. >> republicans need to coalesce around a trump alternative. until that happens, donald trump i think is going to win south carolina. the real question of course is second place and this is the more gutsy call, the more gutsy prediction is second place prediction. i think marco rubio. i think that nikki haley endorsement was a game changer for him. i think that was the coup de grace that did end jeb bush and will push rubio over the finish line. >> he's got gowdy and tim scott
too. it's amazing after that debate performance that he says cost him a lot in new hampshire. rubio's you're call. we'll watching. thank you so much. dana milbank, pastor lewis, dana, stay with me, you're up with me next. cnn brings you full coverage of the caucuses and the south carolina republican primary. it is quite a day of politics. you'll see it all right here. we have reporters at all the polling locations, campaign events across both states, as well as the best analysis, best political team in television, right here, tomorrow, all day on cnn. next, we'll turn to the democrats, hillary clinton being tested in what is shaping up to be a very, very close neck and neck race in nevada. the former secretary of state just picked up a very key endorsement as well. it's an endorsement that eluded her in 2008. the highest ranking congressman. how influential is he in bringing in the votes? we'll discuss. also, he's the south carolina
press who had this back and forth last night. it was about calling george w. bush a liar. listen. >> when i was watching the debate and you made the statement, i had to apologize to my children for the words that came out of my mouth, when you said what you said. >> was he satisfied with trump's response last night? that pastor will join me live straight ahead. also, you're looking at live pictures of justice scalia lying in repose at the supreme court where he is welcoming visitors paying their respects. we'll discuss his son's final good-bye. stay with us. its intelligent drive is msystems...ng.
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respects what is a tight race nationwide. her campaign just got the endorsement of one of the most influential black politicians in the country, certainly in south carolina. it is democratic primary there being held just one week, congressman james clyburn, the highest ranking african-american in congress, gave his support to clinton. >> i learned a long time ago that hillary clinton is a fighter. that's what we need in our next president. the change we seek for this great country will not come easily. we need a real fighter. and i believe hillary clinton is that fighter. >> let's talk about it. cnn senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is with us. traveling with the bernie sanders campaign in nevada. let's just get reaction first from the sanders camp. this is key.
and sanders really needs the minority vote. >> there's no doubt about it, poppy. the sanders campaign would have been happy to have this endorsement. but they were not expecting it. jim clyburn is an esteemed member of congress which also puts him in the establishment cam and bernie sanders is running against the establishment so, you know, the advisers on the sanders campaign say look, they certainly respect the congressman, but they believe endorsements aren't what's driving this election. and they may be right, i mean, i remember so well in 2008 where james clyburn declined to get into this race at all. it created such internal fight in the clinton campaign. bill clinton called the morning after the south carolina primary, screaming at james clybu clyburn. he writes about it in his book that came out a couple years ago and said, you know, he accused him of tipping the scales for barack obama. he said of course he didn't. kind of funny eight years later he's endorsing hillary clinton. it's a key endorsement.
had the clinton campaign not gotten it, it would have been an issue for them. endorsements in this day and age are worth what they're worth. i don't think it's going to affect this race tomorrow at all. it's questionable if it's going to affect the south carolina primary. >> that's really interesting because -- so how things have changed then in eight years. i get what you're saying in terms of the establishment and how this looks like another establishment endorsement. it was just a few days ago we were talking about how big the nikki haley endorsement is for marco rubio. >> sure, we always think endorsements are big going into the race. but coming out, you know, it's not -- endorsements don't drive votes. they validate sort of what's already happening. again, everybody would like to have them, they're good to have. but young voters in particular. the people going with the sanders campaign don't necessarily look to establishment leaders as their guide on these things. >> sure. >> the sanders campaign is hoping if they do well here in nevada that that will cause some black voters in south carolina,
particularly younger voters, to give him a look, a chance. we'll find out if that happens or not. no doubt about it, the clinton campaign is so far ahead in south carolina. that's not the case in nevada, poppy, it is so, so close here. anything could happen tomorrow. >> absolutely. we just learned earlier today the clark county black caucus just did back sanders there in nevada. we'll see what kind of difference that might make. tomorrow's nevada caucuses could set the stage for a bruising battle that runs all the way to the convention. we know this say long drawn-out process. the democratic side now. with our panel back with me. "washington post" columnist dana milbank and cnn political commentator donna brazile. thank you for being here. donna, i want to jump in and talk about what jeff zeleny said, how furious the clintons were in '08 when clyburn opted not to endorse anyone, bill clinton screaming admittedly the next morning, this is what
skipped the scales, this is why obama won the state back then. interesting the word choice today, my head and my heart are in the same place. my heart, talking about passion, passion that some would say has been missing from the clinton campaign, donna. >> well, first of all, it's a big endorsement. i understand what jeb just said in terms of some endorsements are considered paper endorsements, you know, as validating a candidate, but jim clyburn is not your ordinary politician, a member of the establishment. he is an incredible lawmaker but more importantly he has kept his ties to the community very close to his heart. this is a man who goes home all weekend and he's in the beauty parlors, the barber shops, in the churches, the labor halls. this is an endorsement that i think carries a significant amount of weight in a state where you need to organize and get people out to vote. clyburn is the highest ranking african-american to hold public office right now in terms of the
united states house of representatives. he also has friends not just in south carolina but throughout the south that will also be important on super tuesday. i know the sanders campaign is reaching out to african-americans of every generation and it's important to continue to do that outreach because as you know not everybody is going to endorse k hillary clinton but she will receive her share and senator sanders will also receive his as well. >> do you agree with donna, do you agree with jeff zeleny who said endorsements aren't what they were even eight years ago when you look at a james clyburn, such a high-ranking african-american in congress and in south carolina. what does he mean nationally in a general? >> well in general, endorsements don't mean what they used to but i think the clyburn thing is particularly important and people have been whispering about this ever since the new hampshire primary ended. i think what it does do, you know, we'll have hillary clinton coming out of nevada tomorrow.
either she will have lost or will have only narrowly won. those seem to be the two possibilities. either way, it's very likely we in the media will be spinning that as another setback for the clinton campaign. i think what the clyburn thing today does is give her some staying power there in south carolina. so that perceived weakness in nevada won't carry over there. clyburn is very popular at home there. and presumably, he'll be out there stumping for hillary clinton. this is not just a paper endorsement. he can actually rally people and bring people to the polls for her. this will cement the advantage for the foreseeable future that she has with african-americans. >> donna, i have to ask you about these comments that bernie sanders made in that bette interview yesterday, right? he talked about how we visibly have been seeing secretary clinton hugging president obama if you will in terms of how closely aligned she is with him, how much she is standing up for and really running on his
record. and he basically accused her of pandering to african-americans to get their vote. he said, quote, and we know what that's about, that's trying to win the support of the african-american community where the president is enormously popular. what do you think, donna? >> first of all, this is not her first time standing next to barack obama and cheering him on. remember, all you have to do and maybe senator sanders -- and this is not a criticism. i understand he wasn't at the democratic convention. maybe he was at the democratic convention. but after that bruising fight, i remember secretary clinton, then senator clinton, standing next to a guy who beat her, a guy who beat her, who ran against her, and she was gracious and she stood behind him and she supported him and she got out there and she raised money and i do believe that has a lot of political capital that she can now carry with her as she campaigns. not just in the black community. i have to say this.
president obama president obama's not only popular with blacks but he's popular with a lot of whites, gays and lesbians, baptists, catholics. think we need to get rid of this notion that it's somehow pandering when you embrace barack obama. you're embarraracing a champion has done so much for our country. i think sanders is also trying to say on many issues they agree. so some, as a senator, he disagrees. >> all right, dana millback, thank you. donna brazile, thank you both. exciting day tomorrow between nevada and south carolina. you'll see it right here, no question. thank you, both. next, an historic moment as justice scalia lies in repose today at the supreme court. president obama expected to visit, pay his respects in just a few moments. we'll bring that to you live of course as soon as it happens. also, donald trump did not mince words when challenged over
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president has attended every supreme court justice's funeral when that opportunity arose. but in this case, the white house did explain, even though they haven't wanted to go into a lot of detail on their thinking, on their decision making there, but they said the vice president has a personal relationship with the scalia family. that his security footprint is obviously much smaller than the presidents when he goes somewhere. but the white house also did cite politics in this, without saying that was a reason why the president might not want to attention. but they said, you know, it's a shame right now some out there are using this funeral to make a political point just as what could be an epic battle between the white house and republicans in the senate over the next potential nominee is just beginning, poppy. >> absolutely, we will bring those pictures to you live. they should be arriving any moment, the first lady and president obama, to pay their
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welcome back. something just in from the vatican in terms of the back and forth between the pope and donald trump. the vatican spokesperson, father frederico lombardi, just saying that the pope's comments on the plane as you heard them yesterday, about donald trump, were, quote, not a personal attack, nor an indication of how to vote. the vatican went on to say that the pope said what we already know when we follow his teachings and his position, that we should not be building walls but building bridges. the vatican went on to say he has always said this and continues to do so. although it was a question to donald trump and what the pope makes of him, was not about
trump, specifically was not an indication of how to vote for. we'll see what trump says in response. moving on. from the moment he launched his campaign, trump has said the invasion of iraq was a, quote, mistake. but what has been less clear throughout is whether the man who is the republican front-runner has always felt that way. and also whether he thinks that former president george w. bush lied about weapons of mass destruction as a reason to get into iraq. at the republican town hall that cnn hosted last night, an audience member wanted an answer, wanted clarity. listen. >> well, a lot of people agree with what i said. and i'm not talking about lying. i'm not talking about not lying. nobody really knows why we went into iraq. the iraqis did not -- it was not saddam hussein who knocked down the world trade center, okay. >> who you said was they knew there were no weapons of mass
destruction. >> a lot of people think that. bottom line, there were no weapons of mass destruction. they said there were weapons of mass destruction. i was against the war when it started. >> you think the president of the united states, george w. bush, lied to the american people -- >> look, i'm not going to -- >> i am just trying to -- >> let me tell you something, let me tell you very simply. going into iraq may have been the worst decision anybody has made, any president has made in the history of this country, that's how bad it is, okay. >> joining me now is the man who posed that question, dr. orrin smith. he is the president and ceo of the palmetto family council and evangelical nonprofit. thank you for joining me. >> good to be with you. >> my first thought was what do you think? were you satisfied with trump's answer? did you feel like in that back and forth it was even longer than what we played, did you get an answer? >> well, i got close to an answer. there was a lot of verbiage.
i had to go back and read the cnn transcript to get a feel for what exactly was said. i know i look like a really stern guy. i really didn't mean to be a stern guy. i didn't mean to be necessarily appear to be putting him on the spot. i honestly thought he was probably going to take back the "liar" comment and then we got into the war and it became a war discussion. i wasn't really interested in a war discussion. >> when he said to you, and i'm going to quote here look, i'm not going to get your vote, but that's okay, how did that make you feel? >> well, i think he was -- i got the sense he was directing that sort of at me but really sort of at the audience. he was having a good night interplaying with the audience. i thought that was really more for their benefit than my benefit actually. >> so you didn't feel like it was dismissive? >> no, no. you know, he has a way of looking stern and then smiling
and i got a pretty good vibe from him. i don't think he was being dismissive. i'm not sure he cared for the question very much to be honest. because it was one of the few that were really two questions last night that were pretty tough questions that were addressed to him. he might have gotten the two toughest questions of the whole evening. don't think he was thrilled with the question but he gave it a shot. i got most of what i wanted. i wanted him to back off that our president. i defended the president when he was president, george w. bush. i was just uncomfortable with the word liar. that's a very strong word to call the last republican president for someone like me who's voted in republican primaries since ronald reagan. >> we know how popular the former president george w. bush is in your state, right, down there in south carolina. >> oh, yes, very popular. >> has this swayed how you will vote and if you are comfortable sharing it publicly, is there a candidate you're backing?
>> well, you know, one thing that's happened, i've noticed i have a lot to learn about twitter and social media because social media's sort of blown up and i found all these things about myself that i didn't know. that i was fronting for ted cruz. i was fronting for anderson cooper. i'm fronting for marco -- look, i'm just a poor public policy guy, faith-based policy guy. i'm just asking questions i think are important. i'm not being paid to ask questions about fronting for anybody. it was just very personal for me. i was just stunned. i think i relayed it on the air. i said some words in front of my children i shouldn't have because of what i heard about our former president. i wanted so closure. i wanted to give him a chance to take it back. >> might trump get your vote? >> you know, i met with him about five years ago in his office in new york city. i found him to be a great listener. i found him to be articulating
some very conservative positions and i've always held him out there. but, but the whole issue of what he said about the former president is still tugging at me as a negative and it's kind of -- it's taking away from his candidacy in my opinion. >> all right. well, we'll see what you do tomorrow and about that social media stuff, don't take it too seriously. it happens to us all. doctor, thank you very much. >> thanks for the lesson. >> thank you very much. coming up next, an iconic voice speaking out for the hillary clinton campaign. >> she worked to reform juvenile justice in south carolina. exposed racism in alabama schools. registered latino voters in texas. and provided legal aid to families in arkansas. >> you know that voice. our very own don lemon sat down with the man himself morgan freeman to talk politics.
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morgan freeman throwing his support behind hillary clinton. he sat down with our very own don lemon. >> first of all, welcome. these series of ads for hillary clinton, this is an endorsement? >> yes, i have to pick somebody and she's been my choice since she decided yes, i will go. >>
her church taught her to do all the good you can for all the people you can for as long as you can. after law school, she worked to reform juvenile justice in south carolina. exposed racism in alabama schools. registered latino voters in texas. and provided legal aid to families in arkansas. her life work has been about breaking barriers and so would
her presidency. >> that's very powerful. why did you decide to do this? >> this is coming down to the wire. i think it is a very important election. we're in a situation in the world today where everybody's sitting on some kind of powder keg and matches, you know what i mean. so whoever is going to
be part of the world leadership is going to have to have serious knowledge and smarts. because her background, knowledge, proven abilities. >> as a former secretary of state. >> exactly. >> this is about -- for you it sounds like this is about trust, who you can trust. >> yes. yes, absolutely. >> i want you to take a look at
this. this is an exchange from a questionnaire from cnn's recent town hall with secretary clinton. it's about the trust issue. >> i've heard from quite a few people my age that they think you're dishonest but i'd like to hear from you on why you feel the enthusiasm isn't there. >> i'm been around a long time. people have thrown all dines of things at me it and, you know, i can't keep up with it. i just keep going forward. they fall by the way side. they come up with these outlandish things. they make these charges. i just keep going forward because there's nothing to it. they throw all this stuff at me and i'm still standing. >> do you think that's -- do you think it's a good enough answer? the polls show she has a trust issue. number one, is it a good enough answer? in your mind, do you think she has a trust issue? >> well, not with me she doesn't. i don't know, i can't say that
she doesn't because all you need in some cases, people, to say it, just put it out there, and it gets legs. the clintons have been beat down ever since. way back. so she just was going along with that legacy she's inherited over the amount of time she's been in politics, which is a long time. this is -- i think this is just made up stuff, political hogwash. >> what an interview. you know, don, one of my colleagues said, oh, that ad just takes me back to shawshank redemption, the voice of god. it really is. what i think is fascinating, you learned a lot more from him. he doesn't just cut clearly down political lines. yes, he endorsed obama in '08. you said you found him to be more of an independent. >> he judges things on their
merits whether someone is a democrat or republican or black or white. i don't want to speak for him but i think he thinks, you know, we've been talking so much about race and this and the reason he did it he said wasn't because of race, was because of trust. quite frankly, i think he thinks the whole racial discussion is a bit overblown in this particular election. he thinks, you know, hillary clinton is someone who's the most qualified person for him, this is him speaking, the most qualified person for him who happens to be a woman. just like she happens to be white. just like last time obama was the most qualified person to him who happened to be black. i think he says i'm an american who happens to be a black american or african-american so i think he thinks this should be about trust and who can take over, you know, at 12:00 on january 20th. >> you hear him say this is getting tight, this is getting close. >> i don't know when he decided but last time, as i said, he
supported obama and president obama ran against hillary clinton, senator obama at the time and so again, that shows you it's not just about one particular thing. he thinks this time hillary clinton is more qualified. i think he had given it some thought obviously because someone with his weight, one of the most respected, if not the most respected actor in hollywood to come to this decision to endorse and narrate, i think he would have to think about it for a while. >> what an interview. can't wait to see it tonight on your show. thank you so much. don lemon. the full interview with morgan freeman 9:00 p.m. tonight, an hour earlier than usual "tonight with don lemon" only right here on cnn. we'll be right back.
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friend brooke baldwin. the body of antonin scalia lying in repose ahead of tomorrow's funeral. president obama is expected to make an appearance there today. we will bring that to you live when he does arrive. also happening on the eve of the south carolina republican primary, the gop front-runner, donald trump, taking on that stage, just walked on the stage and pawly's island, south carolina. all six republicans blanketing south carolina trying to earn last-minute voters in the first primary in the south. let's go to pawlies island. right off the bat, he goes after ted cruz, right? >> trump went in pretty hard against cruz as he has since coming in second place and a little bit before that even. this week, he's really ramped up his attacks on ted cruz.
>> he tells people that i'm going to help you with wall street, big bad wall street is terrible what they're doing and yet he borrowed guarantee at a interest rate. he forgets to mention he's borrowed money from city bank, goldman sachs and the rate of interest is like rockefeller in prime would have to pay, okay. so low. he forgot. and he didn't put it down on the form. he never put it down on the form that he borrowed $1 million. and then he talks about how he's going to get -- we, goldman sachs. i know the guys at goldman sachs. they have total, total, total control other him. just like they have total control over hillary clinton. >> there you have it, that's donald trump earlier in south carolina. now he's speaking here on pawlies island. that sound bite shows you how tight this race has gotten.
trump still favored to come in first place here. he really wants to get a win in south carolina. it's going to be a great sign for hip, give him some momentum off his victory in new hampshire. it shows cruz and rubio really close together and trump and rubio have kind of tag-teamed their attacks on ted cruz, both calling him a liar. the way south carolina politics is going now. >> they certainly have a history of it in south carolina. politics can get kind of nasty. very engaged electorate. will be out in full force tomorrow, no question, we'll be watching jeremy diamond, thank you. i want to bring in the former spokesman for mitt romney when he was running. ryan, let me begin with you. let's all listen to what donald trump said about jeb bush. >> i literally was just handed this. there's a report now out tonight on buzz feed that -- i have not heard it -- includes an audio clip, appears to be you on howard stern talking on the
radio on september 11st, 2002. he asked you, are you for invading iraq, you said, yeah, i guess so, you know, wish the first time it was done correctly. is that accurate, do you remember saying that? >> i could have said that. i wasn't a politician. it was probably the first time anybody ever asked me that question. you know, jeb bush said donald trump is a gifted politician. my wife said, why is he saying that? i said, because he's stupid, what can i say. no, he calls me a gifted politician. i never thought of myself -- he said highly gifted politician. okay. so i'm only kidding, jeb, i didn't mean that, but you're a very nice man. >> so, ryan, to you -- sorry, we rolled the wrong sound bite. you heard the latter, what he said about jeb bush. ryan, you are a jeb bush supporter. lindsey graham calls south carolina a reset moment for the bush campaign. we'll see what happens tomorrow. is this a fundamental problem, too nice?
>> no, look, governor bush is making the point that donald trump is a good entertainer. he's someone who makes people laugh, but he's not ready to be commander in chief. jeb bush is ready to be commander in chief. he talks about it over the course of the campaign how he would be the best person, proven to be the best person chosen to lead the country as a chief executive who led a big state. jeb bush has been really the only candidate for most of this campaign calling him out for most of this outrageous statements and his inability to be the nominee. >> why aren't voters seeing it the way you do, by a wide margin? >> right i no, we have a divided field amongst the mainstream candidates. trump is consolidating a small portion of the primary electorate into his rhetoric. what we'll see over the next several weeks is the mainstream field consolidate around governor jeb bush as he builds steam heading into some of the march states. >> let's talk about the sound bite we just ran. the first one there, what he said what trump said about the iraq war, right, buzz feed found
this 2002 interview that donald trump gave to howard stern actually on his show, saying he was supportive of the war. then he comes out after the headline, 2003, forward on, saying he's not supportive of the war. what's your take on that? does this hurt him among voters? >> i think it hurts him a little bit, but not that much because he's changed position on a number of issues including on abortion and has cited ronald reagan who used to be a democrat and donald trump used to be a democrat. it seems like trump is teflon this cycle. he's been able to get away with a fair amount of controversial statements. and he's on top right now. i think it's now a question -- i agree with ryan, is that the mainstream lane, whether that's kasich or bush or rubio, you know, they're competing with one another in south carolina. you don't want to finish fifth if you're in that trio. if you finish fifth, i think you're in real trouble, assuming
that carson finishes sixth. so it's all the expectations game. the expectation is trump is going to win and probably cruz is going to finish second. >> ryan, know you are a jeb bush supporter but when you talk about that mainstream line and having to winnow it so the numbers become a little more clear. talk to me about kasich last night. i felt watching that just as a viewer not as a journalist, like, i really got to know kasich for the first time and more so than i got to know jeb bush. even though he did talk in a very revealing way about his family and his wife. >> well, john kasich is a candidate that does not have a national organization. he's not even going to be in south carolina on primary night. he has no ability to win this nomination. he's not a strong enough candidate. doesn't have the resources for it. really cannot consolidate the party -- >> you don't think he should be threatened at all? >> governor kasich is competing still in the race but he does not have the type of organization that governor bush and other candidates have, which can take on donald trump, which
can help us get a strong nominee in november, so no, he's not -- >> when you say organization, what do you mean by that? jeb bush has all the money but that didn't help him in iowa or new hampshire. >> well, we're going to be heading into march where they'll be a number of different states on the same day, on some of the upcoming tuesdays. you need a candidate that has a campaign that can compete everywhere, not just in -- i think kasich's focusing on michigan and ohio, a few states. you need to be able to run a national campaign once we get out of the early few states and kasich simply does not have the organization needed to move forward. >> let's talk, bob, about one of the moments that we saw last night with governor kasich. let's roll it. >> how would you address the american people and our current state, our values, our moral campus and willingness to put a trust in a man who gets more out of making fun of other
candidates than really truly embracing the issues? >> it's up to you. i mean, you guys tell your friends. what do you think, i should just like tackle him, you know? i mean, that ain't gonna work. he weighs more than i do. >> bob, that's an interesting response that i haven't heard before, it's on you, the voter. what did you make of it? >> it's going to be interesting. i don't know the answer to it. kasich tried to stay above the fray in the last debate. does that help him in south carolina? known for rough politics and voters like to see punching and being able to take a punch. i think kasich does have momentum, however, i don't know if south carolina is the state for him. very conservative state. some of the base certainly thinks he is a moderate. but i to think that those moments, those are really moments. they're unscripted moments. they help john kasich. >> it was fascinating to hear him sort of plea with the audience last night at the end
and he said, please, i need your vote, i need the other states to see me and i need to have a shot in all this. we'll see tomorrow how it all plays out there in south carolina. ryan williams, bob cusic, thank you very much. reminder, tomorrow, big day in politics. cnn will have complete live coverage of the south carolina primary and the democratic caucuses in november all day tomorrow here on cnn. next, hillary clinton being tested in what is shaping up to be a close neck and neck race in nevada. the former secretary of state just picked up a very key endorsement. an endorsement that eluded her in 2008. congressman jim clyburn, how influential is he when it comes to getting out the vote for her? also, we're looking at live pictures of justice scalia lying in repose at the great hall at the supreme court. we will discuss the man, his legacy and president obama, who is expected to pay respects today. stay with us.
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carolina, hillary clinton, bernie sanders, they're out west. ernting the final stretch before tomorrow's nevada caucuses. hillary clinton just picked up a huge endorsement. she hopes will translate into votes. it's something she wanted in 2008. south carolina congressman clyburn highest ranking african-american on capitol hill. number three ranking democrat in congress. just gave his powerful stamp of approval to clinton. >> i learned a long time ago hillary clinton is a fighter and that's what we need in our next president. the change we seek for this great country will not come easy. we need a real fighter. i believe hillary clinton is that fighter. >> our guest is with me. he supports hillary clinton. jeff zeleny, senior
correspondent is with us in las vegas with the sanders camp. let me start with you, becari. we know all the headlines, right, that he's the third ranking democrat in congress. there are those that argue right now endorsements are not what they were in 2008 in this election today. how much do you think this really helps clinton? >> well, i think it helps her tremendously. you said it best, he's not just a democrat from south carolina, but he is the highest ranking african-american official in the united states congress. in 2000, 2008, clyburn didn't endorse anyone. he was more of an umpire. calling strikes fair or unfair. this is the cherry on top. but this also subsequently breaks the back of any momentum bernie sanders may have had in south carolina. >> doesn't it help her with the vote she already had? she already overwhelmingly holds the african-american vote, at least when you look at the polling, okay, over sanders.
>> well, i think it helps coalesce and helps solidify but this isn't just about south carolina. this is more about after she comes out victorious in south carolina, doing extremely well, congressman clyburn's voice today, his stamp today is not just a stamp for south carolina, but it's a stamp that will reverberate and carry on. >> it's an important point. not just that he helps her with african-american voters, it's what he stands for that may help her with voters across the board who support those same things. important distinction i should have made. you've got the clark county black caucus in nevada where you are just came out and backed sa sanders. can you walk me through how much that matters? >> sure, poppy, this is a good endorsement for sanders. it is not like the endorsement of a leading congressman. there's no question about that.
congressman clyburn does have an apparatus. in this anti-establishment mood of this electorate, i'm not sure that any endorsement is carrying its weight, but this endorsement of the black leadership of the las vegas area, who are supporting sanders, certainly gives him some validation. really going forward here, what senator sanders is trying to do in nevada is get people to turn out and vote yn. that sounds obvious but the nevada caucuses are still a pretty new event. the south carolina primary's well established as the first primary in the south, but this is only the second election cycle where nevada has played such a role here. listen to what he said a few moments ago in elko, nevada, trying to make a big argument for tomorrow's caucus. >> what i have always said, i really believe this from my heart of hearts, is obviously we
are here to win and we hope will win. i want democracy to flourish. i hope nevada shows the entire country. the country can be looking at your state tomorrow. i hope we have a huge -- did you get that word? all right. ever since i've been on "saturday night live," i'm afraid of -- i keep thinking of other adjective. i'm afraid to use that word. but i hope we have very large, very, very large voter turnout tomorrow, show the world that democracy is alive and well here in nevada. >> bernie sanders there in nevada. we have to wrap it up there, jeff zeleny, thank you so much, bacari sellers. we have news just in. that is president obama and the first lady have just left the white house. they're on their way to the supreme court to pay respects to
antonin scalia, the justice lying in repose after serving on our nation's highest court for 30 years. presidential historian douglas berkeley. we await the first president and the first lady paying their respects. we know they won't be at the funeral tomorrow. vice president biden will be at the funeral tomorrow. your thoughts? >> president obama is not very close and never really personally knew justice scalia in any meaningful way. i think the president thought it wouldn't be proper for him to eat up the oxygen at the memorial so he decided not to go. they both are constitutional lawyers. then both graduated from harvard law school. they really are on opposite sides of all these key issues. in fact, the justice scalia was opposed to affirmative action and some union rights and certain things barack obama's
built his whole career on. >> jeffrey toobin, to you, our senior analyst, supreme court expert. you were with me on the air saturday when the news of justice scalia's death broke. and now as we sit here, jeffrey, five days later, i'm just interested in what you think the world has learned about justice scalia since his passing that perhaps most people didn't know about the man. >> you know, it's true, i was over at the great hall earlier paying my own respects. just where everyone is -- the camera is focused there now. the thing that strikes you when you go to the supreme court at a moment like this is what an intimate place it is. this is not an enormous bureaucracy. there are not a lot people who work at the supreme court. there are nine justices. they have four law clerks apiece. they work work very closely together. they can't talk about their work with the other people. you just get this sense of real
grief in that building. justice scalia was a larger than life figure. it's going to be a very different thing to go to a supreme court argument for the first time when justice scalia isn't there. on monday, they will be back at work. this is a politically polarizing moment because he was a politically polarizing person. i think his legacy is very uncertain at this moment because if president obama or a democrat gets to fill justice scalia's seat, that will convert the court to a five-member liberal majority, which it has not had in two generations. so the court could be looking at profound change away from justice scalia, depending on how this confirmation fight turns out. >> i wonder, jeffrey, if you think there is a lesson for all of us to learn from justice scalia. remember, someone who in 1986 was unanimously confirmed by the senate after being nominated by
then president reagan. someone who calls one of his dear est and closest friends hi ideological opposite and that is justice ginsburg. is there something about cooperation perhaps we could learn from him in a time like this? >> well, i think the lesson might be more about friendship than cooperation. they didn't cooperate. they voted against each other on every major constitutional issue that they were -- that was before them. but they were also friendly with each other. >> right. >> doug would know a lot about this. that, you know, there was a time in washington in the 1950s, perhaps in the 1960s, even into the '70s, where people, after work, would get along, cooperate when they could. now, it's a much more socially separated city. it's a place where people, republicans socialized arep withes and democrats socialized with democrats. frankly, i don't know what
difference that makes in the public's business in terms of what government does, but it was a more congenial place perhaps in those days and the friendship between ginsburg and scalia was a reflection of that kind of world. >> and douglas brinkley to you, your thoughts on certainly how the political world in washington has changed as we await the president and the first lady appearing here in the great hall. >> well, it certainly has. president obama coming. he just didn't have as much of a relationship with justice scalia at all. it wasn't that old-time washington feeling. joe biden, however, has been a fixture in d.c. and so he knew the family, knows some of the children. i think he's going to be the white house spokesperson coming up. it's worth noting the president did issue a very moving tribute to him as being an american giant.
>> michelle kosinski is also with us from the white house. we had some news from the white house, the process for the president who has said he will name a nominee to replace scalia. what did we learn? >> the white house team has been on it. the past 24 hours, the president called four senators who were, you know, in the leadership, two of whom, senators mcconnell and grassley, just wrote an op-ed for "the washington post" saying that the president should wait, that this should be the job of the next president. so the president had phone conversations with them. also senators leahy and reed. these conversations are described as brief, but the president wanted to lay out his argument that this was his constitutional duty, that it's the constitutional duty of the senate to take up his nominee. some republicans have even disputed the premise of that
argument. there's been this back and forth. i mean, the white house today was tweeting out something senator grassley said in 2008, that the senate doesn't stop confirming nominees just because it's an election year. republicans have been digging up things that democrats said years ago about wanting to weight or something along those lines, so the battle is really just beginning. and it could be an epic one. in the meantime though, what the president plans to do this weekend, as the white house put it, spend a significant amount of time going through a large amount of material that the white house team has put together on the potential nominees. they're not naming any names at this point. we know these are, you know, files composed on their buyographies, their public records and their backgrounds for the president to go over. they're not giving an exact number of how many, but they're saying this isn't the short list. that this number is going to change. the list isn't complete yet. this is very preliminary.
i said this is a large amount of information. as for the number, they would only say it's more than two people. and that is how the president is going to work this weekend on that. the white house is also backing away from saying at this point that it's a foregone conclusion that his nominee is going to be a moderate, even though many people think so. the vice president himself has said now in interviews that a consensus candidate would be best. that this pretty much has to be a moderate candidate. but the white house isn't going there. they're only saying this person's call fa i kas will be indisputable, poppy. jeffrey toobin, cnn legal analyst. a beautiful poignant moment today when we saw justice scalia's son, a son who is a catholic priest, praying over his father's casket. today, he will deliver and celebrate mass tomorrow at the
ceremony. this is a father of nine. someone who is a grandfather of 28. talk to me about that moment. >> it's 36 grandchildren, not 28. that number has been -- lots of us have been trying to track down the exact number. 36 does appear to be the final number. it was a beautiful moment. that room, the great hall, is so extraordinary. people can see a live picture now. it's a room where there are busts of all the chief justices who have served. just to give you an idea of how significant it is to be the chief justice of the united states. there have been 44 presidents of the united states. only 17 chief justices of the united states. so it is a very rare -- very rarefied air. and it was frankly wonderful to see paul scalia offer that
prayer and to see the justices lined up in the order in which they will now sit. >> let's talk about it because i believe we have that image. it was this really stunning moment you saw the justices seated in that order without their robes. in a way, if we can pull it up, in a way we haven't seen them before, jeffrey. >> right, and what's so extraordinary is they are now in the order in which they will sit without justice scalia. you can see elena kagan in the blue shirt. justice alito next to her. ruth bader ginsburg. anthony kennedy. and chief justice roberts. what's -- where anthony kennedy is standing, that's where justice scalia used to be. the senior associate justice, the longest tenured associate justice always sits to the right of the chief justice.
and justice scalia was such a big presence in the courtroom right next to the chief justice that it is going to be very weird, frankly, to be in that courtroom on monday without chief justice, without justice scalia there. i've been going to supreme court arguments for more than 20 years and i've never been to a supreme court argument where antonin scalia was not a participant and usually the loudest and most vociferous participant. >> about how he changed the oral argument process, and how much that evolved under him. >> that is a big, big change that happened at the supreme court. in the 1980s, it was a very quiet bench. you had chief justice warren burger. you had justices like thurgood
marshall, like william brennan, who very rarely asks questions. they really were very reticent to get involved in oral argument. justice scalia, the former law professor at chicago and virginia, he gets on the bench in 1986 and suddenly he's this complete live wire. he's asking these questions. throwing hypothetical questions at the lawyers, asking, you know, expressing incredulity at some of the answers. that simply was not done. but he single-handedly transformed the bench. today, you have eight justices, all except justice thomas, who are all active participants in oral argument. frankly, it is a much more entertaining lively bench than it used to be, and that's because justice scalia really single-handedly changed the whole dynamic of oral arguments
at the court. >> jeffrey and douglas brinkley, rarely do we see a sitting justice do an interview. but scalia did an interview in 2012 with then cnn host piers morgan. there were some personal moments that came through, moments that you don't ever really see with a sitting justice. so let's play one of those. >> have you ever broken a law? >> have i ever broken the law? >> yeah. >> i have exceeded the speed limit on occasion. >> ever been caught? >> oh, yes, i've gotten tickets. none recently. >> that's it, that's the only criminal action in your life? >> i am pretty much a law-abiding sort. >> i like the phrase "pretty much," gives me somewhere to go. >> i'm a law-abiding sort. >> what is your guilty pleasure? >> my guilty pleasure? >> yeah. >> i don't have any guilty
pleasures. how can it be pleasurable if it's guilty? >> i have lots of guilty pleasures. >> no, you don't. >> no, i do, everyone does. nothing you get up to that you probably wouldn't want to read about? >> that you think i shouldn't do? smoking? >> there you have it. just one of those very unique moments. douglas brinkley, also i should note, i was reading some people had left apple sauce as an honor to him. in the great hall today. because of what he wrote in his dissenting opinion on the obamacare decision. >> in that clip you just played is vintage scalia. a swordsman with words. how would you like to debate him? he'll put you in a corner before you know what even happened. >> i wouldn't. right. >> i know. i think one of the reasons this public outpouring of really love for justice scalia's happening is because he seemed to be not only brilliant but a boy scout
when he was a kid. the boy scouts meant everything to him. he was kind of a squeegaegeaksq guy. so there are very few people who don't realize what a brilliant and unusual and great american this was. when chief justice rehnquist died in 2005, i remember it and i remember how we covered it, but this is something different. the lines today of, you know, thousands of people coming and this sort of public mourning. i realize he's also an icon of the conservative movement. many of the people that are remembering him are really pleased at the way he's been abell to push originalism through and win so many conservative cases in recent years. never won enough for justice scalia but he won quite a few. >> jeffrey, let's talk about that. the concept of originalism. as you and i were covering that breaking news on saturday, that
was really key in all of it as you look at his legacy as a justice. >> right. there are really two major opposing schools of thought in how you interpret the constitution. >> sure. >> the school of thought called originalism, with justice scalia and justice clarence thomas are very much associated with is the idea that says, look, the constitution was set in stone in the late 18th century and the meanings of the words should be understood precisely as the authors of the constitution understood them in the 18th century. thus, they say, the authors of the constitution weren't thinking about abortion rights. they weren't thinking about gay rights. so we do not recognize abortion rights or gay rights. the alternative theory is known as the living constitution, which says the constitution set down general principles that have to be evaluated in the context of today.
not by the, you know, dead hand of the 18th century. if we have come to recognize that gay people can't be denied due process of law or equal protection of the law. the constitution protects their right to get married like everyone else. that is an argument that is very much still ongoing. even some conservatives like justice alito and chief justice roberts, they are conservative. they usually vote with justice scalia. but they don't necessarily embrace the fulfill loss if i of originalism the way justice scalia and justice thomas did. so, you know, these battles are not decided yet. and that's why one of the many reasons why this confirmation fight that we are about to see is so important, because, you know, even though the constitution has been around for well more than 200 years, the meaning of it is not at all
settled. and it's decided starting on the first monday of october every year at the supreme court. >> absolutely is. stay with me. jeffrey toobin. also douglas brinkley. i want to go back to michelle kosinski. i'm interested to hear, i'm sure viewers want to know a little more about the fact that joe biden and dr. jill biden are going tomorrow. they're closer to the scalia family than the president, even though ideologically they may be separated by an ocean. >> right, joe biden has been in the washington scene for such a long time. it's no surprise there. a couple of days ago, the white house was really hesitant to get into the decision making of why president wasn't attending the funeral tomorrow. and they clearly seemed to not want to get into the political statement that some were surely going to make out of his attendance or not. you know, let's say he was going to attend. sort of how that would change
the tone of the event potentially. i thank likely went into the white house thinking. if obama and scalia had had a relationship, a long-standing or deep relationship here in d.c., i think it might have been different. what the white house had said on this decision making is the president finds it important to pay his respects. they found the appropriate time to do that was today. with the first lady. again, they're going to be there. >> i'm just going to jump in because we're watching president obama and the first lady paying their respects. let's listen.
as so many have walked past this casket paying their respects to a man who served in our nation's highest court for 30 years. the first italian-american ever to sit on the high court. jeffrey toobin, to you. this moment, today, and, frankly, tomorrow, not about the politics, about the man and his service to this country. >> no, i, you know, was fortunate to be in that, pay my own respects earlier today. you saw the president and the first lady starring at the portrait. beautiful portrait in the collection of harvard law school where the president and first lady graduated. wonderfully symbolic portrait because there is with justice scalia in the background in the portrait, st. thomas more, the patron saint of lawyers. his hand rests on the dictionary and the federalist papers. and there is a photograph, a
painting, in the photograph of his wife maureen at their wedding. so it's a beautifully evocative portrait of what meant most to justice scalia and i'm glad the president and first lady had a chance to study it and enjoy it because it's a terrific piece. >> we're about to see that portrait as they turn the corner here so people can see more of what you're talking about. what also stood out to me, he's got a bit of a smile, right, and it's not what you might expect for the portrait of a supreme court justice. his robe is undone. he's sitting there sort of relaxed. it's more the human side than what we see on the bench. >> well, i have to say, i guess, you know, that's the good thing about a piece of art, it's in the eyes of the beholder. my view of that portrait is he looks like he's getting ready to pounce, which is a very characteristic position that he took on the bench.
leaning forward, getting ready to ask a tough question. a half smile on his face which says oh, i got you. which, again, was very characteristic of the way justice scalia behaved both on and off the bench. >> jeffrey, we had on with us earlier this week some of his former law clerks. a good friend of yours, someone who was also a clerk of his. the way they spoke about him as a teacher. take me back to that. >> well, and just -- i should mention that i'm sure our viewers saw there are four people surrounding the casket. there's the live picture. those are a rotating cast for a half hour each of justice scalia's law clerks. the court will be open to
visitors until 8:00 tonight, bub that honor guard of clerks will be there in a rotating way all night long, which is a wonderful supreme court tradition, and they will be there with the justice's casket until it's taken to church tomorrow for the funeral mass. the thing about supreme court clerkships, which i did not have, is that it is this very intense relationship for the highest stakes and you can't talk about it with anyone except each other. so the bond is so intense. because think about it. think about the magnitude of these questions, you know, is obamacare constitutional, is there a right to marriage in all 50 states. those were both cases decided last year. for months, the only people who know how those cases are decided are the law clerks and their -- and the justices and a very
small staff of secretaries in each chambers. so imagine holding a secret together. imagine writing those live changing, world changing opinions. that's a collaborative enterprise and teaching enterprise that establishes a bond between law clerks and justices that is really life long. think about also law clerks tend to be in their late 20s. they go to law school for three years after college. they clerk usually on a lower court and then clerk on the supreme court. so they are -- usually in their late 20s when they are a supreme court clerkship. some of these law clerks are pushing 60 years old so they've spent their whole lives in the shadow of justice scalia, their whole professional lives. he's remained close to them for all that time. so that bond you can see --
they're switching places now. >> they're switching places now, exactly. >> i was just going to say that bond is something that endures for a lifetime. >> right. before i get a break in here, in a word, jeffrey toobin, his legacy. >> big and controversial. not many supreme court justices are associated with an entire school of constitutional interpretation. only a handful. so i gave you two. i'm a lawyer so more words rather than fewer. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you. douglas brinkley, thank you. stay with me. we're going to take a quick break.
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voters here who are either undecided or still can be persuaded. some of the gop insiders here in the state put that number at possibly 50% or more who will make their decision in just the next 24 hours. i want you to listen to a few of the people i spoke with this morning and this afternoon. >> who's your pick and how did they seal the deal? >> well, marco rubio. he came on board with tim scott, senator scott, nikki haley of course has endorsed him, and so that's a powerful message because i believe that just that visual even because that really is the future of the republican party. >> i'm leaning towards rubio. >> okay, why? >> i think that of all of the candidates that we've listened to, that for me he's been the most direct and the most truthful. >> do you think marco rubio can win south carolina? >> no. >> who do you expect will win south carolina? >> trump. >> and how do you feel about
that? >> i think the american people have turned into -- they're less savvy -- the more news they receive, the less savvy they become. >> it's an interesting year. i've never, you know, in all the years, i don't think i've had this much of an issue to come up with someone who support. i think it will probably come down to, you know, when i get there and whatever my heart is telling me to go at the time. >> i've spoken with some first-time voters here on the university of south carolina campus, some older voters as you saw, and of the voters who said they were either leaning towards a candidate or had decided on a candidate, every one of them said that candidate is marco rubio. now, that is not scientific, but it seems that there is some momentum here, at least in and around the university of south carolina in columbia, poppy. >> no question. you'll be there live tomorrow morning anchoring "new day." victor blackwell, thank you very
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all right. in the final moments of the show, i want to bring jeffrey toobin back in, cnn senior legal analyst and also an expert on the court just to talk about what we're witnessing, live images here of people coming, jeffrey, to pay their respects to the late justice antonin scalia ahead of his funeral tomorrow, truly the intersection of the justice the man and the justice the judge and all the politics that go with it as we
remember his life and his legacy, jeffrey. >> you know, i was privileged to be able to pay my own respects there earlier today, and it really is a moment where the personal and the political are very much on display. antonin scalia worked at the supreme court for 30 years and it's a workplace. there are people there he knew for decades. it's a small operation. there are only a couple hundred people work there. there are people who just miss the man very much and you feel that in the building. at the same time, we are at the beginning of a major constitutional struggle. the court is evenly divided along ideological grounds, and his seat is going to determine the future of the court for some time to come, so i was struck by the intersection of the personal and the political today and i'm sure that will be true tomorrow at his funeral as well.
>> no question. today, though, and tomorrow about the man and his legacy. jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. again, justice scalia's funeral is set for tomorrow. my colleagues wolf blitzer, jake tapper will be on hand for this historic event. you can see it all live at 10:00 a.m. right here on cnn. thanks for being with me today. "the lead with jake tapper" begins right now. >> thanks, poppy. if donald trump wins tomorrow, will anything be able to stop him on his way to the nomination? "the lead" starts right now. a full-on demolition derby with one day until the south carolina republican primary as all the candidates trade paint with trump. is there any way trump could blow a tire and not send the gop into full-on panic mode? >> on the other side the voters in nevada poised to make this the wildest race to victory as the clinton machine tries to slow the bern. plus dozens dead