Anderson Cooper 360 GOP Town Hall CNN February 19, 2016 7:00pm-9:16pm PST
telling this timeless american story to you're students, our neighbors and to our children and to constantly try in our own lives to finally see each other. s can. good evening. welcome from the university of south carolina in columbia. i'm anderson cooper. we're moments away from another cnn republican town hall. jeb bush, john kasich, donald trump answering voters' questions here making up their minds before the first in the south primary here in south carolina. it's been quite a day, to say the least. >> i'm proud of my dad, george h.w. bush. >> jeb bush, once the favorite, fighting his way back.
>> we will make america great again. >> donald trump riding high, trying to close the biggest deal in american politics. >> we got to plan to go the whole distance. >> john kasich, son of a mailman, promises voters after delivering in new hampshire promising he can stand apart in a sometimes bit ater campaign. tonight a chance to put aside the putdowns. >> we need a president with a stead y hand. >> we're going to do it ourselves. we're going to make america great again. >> i'm not going to spend my time trashing a bunch of negative people. >> this is the cnn republican town hall, voters seeking answers, chance to drive the debate before making a choice that could make history.
[ cheers and applause ] good evening. welcome from the university of south carolina in columbia. just two days to go until primary days. tonight will be conversational, not confrontational. tonight we're going to talk with governors kasich and bush and mr. trump one at a time and they'll talk one-on-one with the voters in this room, the voters in the state and around the country. we're simultaneousing -- si simulcasting live, on cnn, cnn go and welcome to everyone watching and listening tonight in the audience here in columbia. some have made their decisions,
some are still undecided. they came one their own questions. we have reviewed the questions to make sure they don't overlap. i'll ask some questions as well. but tonight like last night is really about the voters getting to know the candidates. so let's get started. joining us ohio government from just outside pittsburgh, governor john kasich. [ applause ] >> how are you all doing? >> hey, governor. welcome. how are you? have a seat. i like your boots.
? it's good to be here. i want to start with something that happened earlier today. you had a really remarkable moment at a town hall earlier. i want to play that for the folks at home and for the folks in this room. it shows the things that happen in a town hall. i want to you talk about your experiences. let's just play that. >> like over a year ago, a man who is like my second dad, he killed himself and then a few months later my parents got a divorce and then a few months later my dad lost his job, and i was in a really dark place for a long time. i was pretty depressed but i found hope and i found it in the lord and in my friends and now i've found it in my presidential candidate that i support. and i'd really appreciate one of those hugs you've been talking about. [ applause ]
>> the lord will give you strength and protect you, i promise you, if you ask him and you are. okay? thank you. >> it's an extraordinary moment. >> it's been happening to me all over. i had a lady maybe last night, epileptic, told me about seizure, please help us. people talk about these diseases, please help us with this. a man drove from new york to see me in new hampshire and he was crying at the end of the town hall, hugging me and he said, "i should have warned my son about testicular cancer because now the cancer in his lungs." and he said i have a tape here where you tacked abolked about . i said, sir, let it go. you're not responsible for this.
he left and he called somebody and said i felt like there was something lifted off of my shoulder. a lady in the same town hall was sitting wait in the back and we were talking about the problem of drugs and it was like mechanical stuff, the things that we've done. she raised my hand and said my daughter's been sober for 11 months and i looked, i said to the people, do you know what it's like to be a mom and to have a daughter 11 months sober? you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. you walk on egg shells and just pray that my kid's going to be okay. there are a lot of people out there who are loan live anely ae
looking for a place to tell their story. >> does it slow you down? >> some of you have been at my town halls where i talked about this. the strength of america is not some guy or woman coming in on a white charger here to solve our problems. anderson, america, the glue of america is right here in this room. it's in our communities, it's in our families. we need tho slo slow down and c out our god-given destinies and potentials and gifts. it's definitely changed me because i'm slowing down. i've learned so much from everybody here. you got to celebrate other people's wins and sometimes you got to sit with them and cry because that's what we need in this country. let's get the economy going, let's rebuild it, let's get it going. we can deal with wages and fix social security and balance the budget and fix the regulations, bu but i also believe that the country works best when it is strong from the bottom up, not
from the top down. you mentioned my little hometown where i was born, mckees rock. if i can send job training and health care for the poor and the education programs, then it's up to us, it's up to us to rebuild this country and renew our spirit. up know, t you know, you can be helped by a president. reagan said it was morning in america. he inspired us. but what really inspires us are the stories like us who changed the world. >> we got a lot of questions on specific issues from the voters, many of whom are undecided in this room. i want to ask you a couple of topics in the news today and just a political question overall just in terms of where you are in the race. you've been running hard, you've been campaigning hard, you certainly have south carolina, you have nevada, you're looking
forward to ohio, to michigan, i know you're charging toward the south. >> virginia, mississippi. >> do you worry about losing momentum if you don't place in the top here? >> i don't really worry about much. >> really, you are don't? >> no, i don't. because it's been such a privilege to get even this far, to able to get out and see the crowds and that's worth of price of admission, being able to hear that young man and we're going to go to georgia, we're going to try to get him to spend some time -- >> no matter what you're going to go on from here? >> oh, yeah. i'm going to be here tomorrow campaigning all day and then we're going to head up to vermont, massachusetts, then virginia on monday. i'll be in mississippi, louisiana. we're going the distance, anderson. and here's the thing. people -- first of all, they didn't think i would do well in new hampshire, as you know. and we did well. i mean, we finished second and in dixville notch, i beat donald trump by 60%.
[ laughter ] >> there's nine voters in dixville notch. >> we are 500 people and we had 50 rsvps and everything's changed. you take it in stride, keep your feet on the ground. people thought we'd do 1% or 2% here. i think we're going to do better. if we don't do better, i'm blaming you. i'm telling you right now. >> you were an altar boy. when you heard the pope talk about donald trump, he said said a person who thinks about building walls, he's not a christian. what did you think about it? >> first of all, i'm pro pope. put me down in the pro pope column. really, i man, come on. look -- [ applause ] >> i don't know exactly. i read the whole quote and it's a lot longer than that. this is a guy who said when
somebody asked him about somebody's behavior that wasn't consistent with what they thought the scripture was, he said who am i to judge? i mean, this man has brought more sense of hope and more about the dos in life than the don'ts. when you think about religion, before we get to the don't, when you mention the don'ts, people get the thought bubbles, like, oh, he's coming to tell me what i can't do. if you want to understand this pope, a friend of mine, dr. barrett, if you are want to understand him, read a book about st. francis, because she the t the essence of humility. we need bridges between us if we're going to fix the problems in washington because all they could have have walls and we
need to get the problems solved. >> this is clara smith, she's undecided but she's leaning towards you, governor. >> oh, good. make the question easy. >> republicans receive a bd rap for being uninterested in the working poor. i'm a republican. i have a heart for them. what would you as president do to help people out that are working two and three jobs that can barely feed their children at home? >> the one thing we want to make sure is that they have health care, right? that's a critical part for the working poor. look, it all gets down to training and skills. and one of the things that we have to recognize in this country today is we have to have lifelong learning and we have to keep training ourselves for the jobs that exist today and the jobs that exist tomorrow. but i've got to tell you, when you think about these working poor, especially if it's a woman and her husband walked out on her, she's got a couple kids, we've got to look at the child
care, we have to think about the child care tax credit and we got to get employers to begin to realize give this person a chance. give them a chance to be able to move up because if you get stuck, then it doesn't work. but one other thing i think we all need to realize, look, i was involved in balancing the federal budget, i spent ten years of my life to get there in washington fighting everybody, including republicans, democrats. i've always been a guy shaking up the system. and when we got there, we began to see significant job growth and opportunity for people. as governor, i went in, we were, you know, we had lost 350,000 jobs. now we're up over 400,000 jobs and our wages are growing faster than the national average in ohio. so we need robust economic growth because that helps everybody to rise. and how do you get it? common sense regulations where you're not snuffing out small businesses because they are the engine of job creation for some of these young people here. they're going to create more
jobs than big companies. secondly we need tax cuts for businesses and individuals because that spurs economic growth and finally, we're got $19 trillion in debt. we need to move to get this budget under control. those three things coupled with one other thing, and this is to get people trained for the jobs that exist today and tomorrow and that's called work force. you get those three things done at the top, regulatory reform, common sense, lower taxes, business and people and balancing a budget, you will see an explosion. and when i was in washington, we saw the country's job picture explode. and the same in ohio. what i'm going to do is just take that formula that works and take it back. you know what works but you have to have discipline to carry it out. we have to be sensitive to the folks that are raphaeally in a h spot. working two jobs. think about the mother to gets up early in the morning, gets the kids to school, goes to
work, comes home, makes different. those are the real heros. >> governor, if you could stay in the blue, better lighting for our cameras. >> we have a law student here from the university of south carolina. he's undecided. >> my old are brother is readying to deploy overseas. if you are elected president, how will you make sure our military men and women are only deployed into situations where our national security is at risk? >> that's a really good question. first of all, you're right about that. we should deploy our military whenever the national security risk is to the united states. that when we think that we're being threatened, and frankly when we go, we ought to go, take care of the job and then be able to come home once we finish it. getting in the middle of civil
wars is not something i ever favored. i was on the defense committee for 18 years in congress. i saw the president reagan rebuild the military, i saw the wall come down, i saw the first gulf war and i was called in the pentagon by secretary rumsfeld after 9/11 and you learn a lot through a process of what this all means. so, look, what i will tell you is sometimes we can support people that have the same aims at we do. for example, i had called senator mccain and boehner well over a year ago and said we need to support the rebels in syria, but i would not want to get in the middle of a civil war in syria, any more than i wanted to get in the middle of a civil war had we were in lebanon. i do think we have to go and defeat isis. i have to tell you, the coalition to do that should look amazingly like we have when we pu pushed saddam hussein out of kuwait. those are muslims arabs and
friends in the west that can come and take your business and once things settle a little bit, come home and let them sort it out. nation building, getting in the middle of civil wars is not a place for the united states military. we do have to rebuild the military because it has one down and have i a plan to put $100 billion more in the military, burr i got to tell you, we can't be paying -- i was one of the people who found the hammers and screw drivers and wrenches that cost tens of thousands of dollars. do you remember that scandal? we have to clean up waste so resource goes to people like your brother in the front lines. we go when it really matters in our direct interest, support people with similar aims, get the job done, come home and be a lead are in the world and have people's backs. >> over here is mary lafavre, a lawyer in lexington, south carolina. she's undecided.
she has question that should resonate with many in the state. >> i have a question involving a woman's issue that will be important to the voters in this state. the state of south carolina leads the nation in incidents of deadly violence again women. as president, what will you do, what steps will you take to address the high rates of violence against women in this country? >> we have to have a war against that. and i know that they won a pulitzer in one of the major newspapers in this state down in charleston. in fact, they endorsed me today, which was really a wonderful thing to have. the lady actually -- one of the reporters actually took me to the wall and showed me the pulitzer that they won from saying that there was a time in this state where it was easier to hurt a woman than it was to hurt an animal. and they have begun to clean that up. and we put a lot of time into those kinds of issues in our state. i'll tell you another thing we worry about. sexual violence on a campus.
i've noticed that time ago. i said there's got to be a place for young students, young women to be able to go, where there can be a rape kit that can last because sometimes young women might not want to go right away, but a month or two they might want to go forward with a prosecution, they want to tell their story. but think about a woman -- i got these two 16-year-old daughters. can you imagine having somebody beat up your daughter or beat up your mother? we have to have an all-out war against this. you know what? that's a very severe criminal fact. as president, these laws are going to fundamentally be at the state level but it doesn't mean a president can't use the bully pulpit and speak out about the fundamental issues. i don't have to always make a law to get somebody in the legislature to begin to pay
attention to the issues. we took on the issue of human trafficking. i don't know what you know about that but there were in my state like a thousand people. i was told by a democrat who had walked out on my it first state of the state address, i was like why did she get so mad at me? she stormed out, came back a couple months later to have a meeting with me. i said when can i do for you? she said there's a problem with this human trafficking with the number of children that are trafficked. i said how's it going for you? she said i haven't been able to pass anything. i i said, well, what if we pass it? she looked at me and stared at me and i said are you still with me? of course we're going to pass it. the woman who has been called a criminal has now been determined to be a victim and now we're puting the pimps in jail and making sure the women can be rehabilitated in our state.
it's a wonderful thing. i want to say my wife, karen, who might even be watching tonight. she may be watching. she has been in the catch court in our city of columbus, and we take women who before would have been discarded, we raise them up, she goes to the graduation smon oos ceremonies, they have them in the governor's residence. a lot of these issues get ignored, the drug issue, the domestic violence, the poor, we have a real moral obligation to turn to those who live in the shadows and give them a chance to live out their god-given purpose. thanks for the question. and you'll work with me, all right? you want to come to washington and work? we can put you there. >> i'd love to. >> okay, thank you very much. [ applause ]
>> governor, this is willia hodge. he is an attorney here in south carolina. he says he's leaning towards rubio but he does remain und undecided. >> being a southern baptist and an attorney here in south carolina -- >> is that consistent? >> well, that's what my question is getting to. it is sometimes difficult to differentiate between my moral convictions and the letter of the law and what i'm required to do. if you were given the opportunity as president to nominate someone for the supreme court which i believe the next president will have the opportunity to do so, would you nominate someone who will rule and vote based on their moral convictions or would you be willing to put someone who takes legal reasoning and makes decisions even if it doesn't coincide with their personal beliefs? >> i have appointed well over 100 judges in ohio. even appointed a judge to the ohio supreme court who happens to be a woman and has done a fantastic job. what we try to look for is you want a conservative. we don't want you to make law. we want you to interpret the law. that's what it means to be a
conservative judge. and you have to be beyond reproach, good character. everybody in their life at some point did something dumb, right? we know that. but overall, we want to look at how your temperament, we want to look at your attitude of fairness, and at the end of the day, it's your approach to whether you make law or whether you interpret the law as it relates to the constitution. in terms of the moral, how do you -- like people say, well, how do you decide things? if i have to decide something, i'm not turning to the scripture to figure it out but your faith can influence some of the ways you look at things. for example with the women who have been human trafficked or mental illness. of course it influences your ability to think about what can we do to lift them. but at the end when you are in public office, you aren't really there will be a preacher. you are there to be a public official and that's the way it should be if you are on the u.s. supreme court.
>> thanks for your question. >> governor, i want you to meet tim brad ox. a republican who is undecided. tim, welcome. >> nice to be here. governor kasich, welcome to south carolina. just like to give a little subnote here. my wife and i are both michigan state fans. >> listen, i told the people in michigan that, look, up and through the primary up there in michigan, let's just put everything aside and just get along. after all, i came down here after clemson beat the buckeyes a few years ago. that's still rubbing us raw in columbus. >> my question is -- has to do with obamacare. the health care system where the candidates have in their debates and their interviews have said that they're going to repeal
obamacare if they are elected to office. honestly, to tell you the truth, for me, obamacare ended up being a godsend because of my conditions and that -- >> yes, sir. go ahead. i'm listening. >> i worked for a company in michigan for 34 years before my wife and i decided to move down here to south carolina. moving down here, i continued working for that same company. but in the process, we found out that we could not transfer our medical insurance to south carolina. in reviewing the options here in south carolina and the south carolina health pool, we found where the rates were in excess of $2,000 and that. so as we were forced to do, we ended up going with obamacare because that was the best option for us at that time. what i would like to know is
what are your specific inputs to what you are going to substitute for obamacare if you are elected. >> it's, obviously, a critical question, and there's a complicated answer that i do want to give you. we have got very good health care experts in our state. we took our medicaid program that was growing at 10.5% and reduced it to 2.5% in the second year i was governor without cutting one benefit or throwing one person off the rolls. so we've spent a lot of time on health care. the problem with obamacare is it does not control the cost of health care. they continue to escalate. if they continue to, the people that are going to be hurt are the ones that are going to be rationed which are going to be all of us because we've probably not going to have the money to be able to evade that. secondly, health insurance costs in my state have gone up by an average of 80%. to make health care more affordable, how do you make it affordable when the costs are
going up for the insurance? and finally it's trapped small businesses who don't want to get caught in the web of obamacare. what would i do? i'd take some federal resources and combine it with the freed up medicaid plan to continue to cover the working poor. we can't eliminate this and have tens of millions of americans without health insurance. if i'm president, a pre-existing condition will never be acceptable to denying you health insurance. that is un-american to take people off because they got sick. that's just a rip-off. here's the larger plan. we're doing this in our state and i'd like to take it nationally. we don't know how our hospitals really do and what their costs are. and we don't know how our doctors do or what their costs are. it's easier to interpret the
dead sea scrolls than it is a hospital bill. you ever figure that out? we want total transparency. how does a hospital do? what's its readmission rate and infection rate. physicians, you say you're good. what's the quality? what's the cost? we're releasing all this information. we know some charge a lot. we know some charge less and right here is the midpoint. what we're saying is if you can provide quality to a patient whether you are a hospital or health care provider, below the midpoint we'll give you a financial reward if you are providing quality at a lower price. we want to get the market in to driving first of all your understanding of the system, your ability to make a choice. and a constant effort to deliver high quality at a low price by giving people financial rewards. if your primary care doctor keeps you healthy for the year, why not a little bit of a reward? and that's the way we're designing the system. we're doing it in medicaid and the health care insurance companies are beginning to say in an effort to control costs, because think of your deductibles. they are almost as high now as having a catastrophic plan. so we have to get in the business of high quality at lower prices driven by the
marketplace. this isn't a theory. this is not some political theory. we are about to actually make the payments next year based on quality and low prices. and most of our health care systems have participated in this, including the cleveland clinic. >> let me follow up on that. you're the only republican left in this race who, except in medicaid financing for your state. do you regret that? >> regret it? >> you've been criticized by fellow republicans for it. >> we drove the cost of this medicaid program to like 2.5%. the whole country would like to have a rate like that. how do we do it? if mom and dad want to stay in their own home rather than being forced into a nursing home they ought to be able to do it. once we stabilized the program, i had the opportunity to bring these dollars back. here's the deal. if i treat the mentally ill, i keep them from living in a prison at a $22,500 a year or sleeping under a bridge. we owe our mentally ill better treatment than that.
if i treat the drug addicted, i keep them from being in a revolving door of in and out of prison and maybe even breaking into our cars to support their habit which they can't control. so we have the rehab people in the prisons release them into the community where there's more resources and our recidivism rate is 20% which is miraculous. for the working poor, what we know is they don't go to the emergency room until they are sicker and more expensive. and we think that one-third of those working poor were people who had very severe illnesses, including cancer who put off treatment. so this has worked out great for us. we're saving money and giving people an opportunity to be able to get their lives back. and i think it's been terrific. and i said if the federal government monkeys around with the formula, we'll withdraw from the program. what's beginning to happen,
everyone is saying, wait a minute. if you can treat the mentally ill, help the drug addicted and help the working poor, why wouldn't we be doing this? they don't have to do it my way. but if you aren't going to do what i'm doing, then tell me what it is you're going to do. >> we have more questions from our audience for governor kasich when we come back. you're watching the cnn republican town hall from columbia. we'll be back in a few minutes. [ applause ] t...to help sense danger before7 was engiyou do. . because when you live to innovate, you innovate to live. the all-new audi q7. a higher form of intelligence has arrived.
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welcome back. we're talking with ohio governor john kasich on the campus of the university of south carolina in columbia for the final cnn town hall before saturday's republican primary. governor, i want you to meet laura colton. she is still undecided between a few candidates, as a lot of people are in this state. welcome. >> good evening, governor kasich. congratulations on getting the
endorsement from our state paper. >> yeah, i'm really happy about it. >> would you consider selecting one of the other candidates for your cabinet? and if so, who would it be? >> well, look, i'm not going to be measuring like the drapes. i've got a long way to go. we're really, really early. but i'll tell you who i have been friends with for a while. i like him very much. i like chris christie a whole lot. chris and i are kind of buddies. his wife and i, my wife, have been out to dinner. i've always liked chris. we kid and joke and he's a terrific guy. and so he's somebody that was a candidate who would be considered. i'm open to -- these are all fine people. when you run for -- somebody says you ought to run for president. do you know how hard it is to run for president? it is not easy. so they all deserve an awful lot of respect. and i like them all. i just don't want to fight with them.
i'd rather be up here than down here, that kind of stuff. i was in a demolition derby on saturday. but my car kept going around the track. thank you. are you available for anything? >> yes, sir. >> can i get your resume? >> yes, sir. >> this is jacob godwin, a law student. he's leaning toward governor bush. >> my grandfather was a world war ii veteran, went to college on the gi bill and opened a small business in hartsville, south carolina. it's a small town about an hour away from here. my mom runs that business now. we've been open for 65 years. i want to know if you were elected what you'll do to bring industry to small towns so industry to small towns so that small businesses like my mom's will stay in business and so that small towns like hartsville will continue to not only survive but to thrive and to grow.
>> well, i would say, first of all, we've got to get the overall economy growing. i want to go back one more time. if you have too many regulations, you will choke small business. they are the engine of job creation in america. that's why it's important to bring the rates down for individual taxes because most of those small businesses pay the individual rate, give them the incentive on taxes, go through -- the vice presidents usually spend their time going to funerals. i'd like my vice president to spend his or her time trying to bring some rationality to all the rules and regulations and force the congress to vote on anything $100 million or above. and just stop all this flurry of regulation. if we can get a fiscal plan that gets us close to a balanced budget, which i've done before, you'll see the economy take off. now so the small businesses or the small towns, look. what we've done in ohio, and i knew this before being in business for ten years. you've got to look at the assets
that you have. what makes you unique in hartsville? what are the things you can do there that maybe you can't do anywhere else. that's what you have to focus on. i privatized economic development in ohio, and i created a not for profit that has enough money to hire people who are actually skilled, and we look at the segments of our state, like we should as a country, and figure out what works. some things work in big towns. some work in midsize towns and some things work in small towns. if i were economic development director of hartsville, i'd be looking around at what the assets are we have there that makes us special where we can draw industry in. that's the way you want to do it and also you want to diversify your industries. if you depend on one thing and you all know the story of the textile mills that went down. if you depend on just one thing, it won't work. we need to have a president who understands how business works
and also pro job. if you don't have a job, you don't have much. so there's -- and we can get some of these businesses to come back from overseas. we've seen it in our state. but we have to lower the corporate tax rates so businesses will come in. but small town investing is really cool. you know why? wages are more manageable for businesses. take advantage of the resources you have and you better get ready to run that business, young man, okay? thank you. >> governor, i want you to meet eddie rogers. he manages a gun store here in columbia. he says he's still undecided. >> hello, governor. like i said, i work at a local firearm shop here in columbia. and as you know, firearms have skyrocketed in sales over the past 7 1/2 years. talking with customers, they fear that their second amendment is being infringed upon.
how do you interpret the second amendment as far as individual right or as some scholars argue, a collective right. >> i'm for the second amendment. people have a right to defend themselves. they have a right to own these guns for a variety of reasons, including hunting and collection. we don't want to be messing around with the second amendment, plain and simple. in our state as governor, i've signed many of these gun bills. i think the president on one area he has hit on that -- and he shouldn't do it by executive order, but we ought to look at it, and that's the issue of mental illness. we want to make sure states can upload the data so when we do an instant check we aren't selling a gun to somebody unstable. when we look at the problems of the mass shooters in this country, virtually every time that somebody is involved when we check their record, there's an element of mental illness involved.
we have to make sure we do that. other than that, enforce the gun laws we have now and allow people to celebrate the fact that the second amendment is a very important part of the constitution. >> let me follow up on that. the president put in some new executive actions. would you keep those in place? >> probably not, no. i don't know all of them. here's the problem with the president and the issue of executive orders. i do executive orders as governor of ohio. but i check with the legislative leaders and i say, what do you think? i'm thinking about doing this, and sometimes they'll say go ahead and do it but don't tell anybody i told you to do it because sometimes they don't want to have to vote on some of these issues. if you just jam stuff through, what you are doing is you are just going to push them off. and when you have bigger fish to fry than any individual issue. so my view is you have to work with that legislature. you have to get along with them as an executive. i'm unique.
i never thought about this in this way. i was a congressman for 18 years. i went in at 30, believe it or not. and so i understood how they feel about executives. now i'm an executive, and i know how they feel about legislators. and that is really key in getting things done. if we're going to balance the budget, fix the border, fix social security, deal with student loans, any of these other things that are out there, you have to do it together. reagan had the conservative democrats, kasich had the blue dogs, when i was fighting to balance the budget, the conservative democrats. we have to have some area of bipartisanship but overall the executive cannot -- he or she cannot thumb their nose at the legislature because it is a relationship that has to work mutually. and i think the president doing executive orders has way exceeded his authority and created more polarization down there, which is all going to have to be fixed. >> we'd like to wrap up these town halls with lighter personal questions so voters have a chance --
>> you know how you fix congress? one of the things i'm going to do in the first 100 days is get the numbers of all the moms and dads who have kids in congress. i'm going to know when their birthdays are and call mom on her birthday and she's going to call her kid in the congress and say, i like the president. he called me on my birthday. don't mess with him. >> i mentioned you were an altar boy. you at one point thought about becoming a priest. what made you decide to go into politics? >> i went into politics because, well, my mother was -- i'd like to say a talk show pioneer. the person on the radio would say something and she'd yell at the radio. and so i learned about opinions, and i really wanted at one point to be a lawyer. i'd go into the courthouse as a young guy and listen to them debate. when i went to ohio state in my -- i don't know if you know this story. 48,000 students and something upset me. i decided i needed to see the president of the university.
my uncle told me always start at the top. i couldn't get in. i finally did. i went in to see the president, and i lodged my complaint and looked at him. sir, i've been in school about a month and i'm undecided. and looking at the furniture, the lighting, the carpeting. maybe this is the job for me. what exactly do you do? he tells me his academic and fund-raising responsibility and says tomorrow i'm flying to washington to have a meet with president nixon. i have a number of things i'd like to tell him also. can i go with you? he says no. i said if i write a letter would you give it to the president? he did. i went to my mailbox a couple weeks later and there's a letter from the white house. i opened it up, go upstairs and call my mom. i'm going to need a plane ticket. the president of the united states would like to have a
meeting with me in the oval office. pick up the phone, there's something wrong with johnny. i fly down. get through the security. the guy walks up and says young man, you'll get five minutes alone with the president of the united states. what do you think? pretty cool? i'll tell you what i'm thinking, new jacket, new shirt, new tie. new pants. i didn't come here for five lousy minutes. the good news is i spent 20 minutes alone as an 18-year-old first quarter freshman with the president of the united states. i spent 18 years in congress. and all the time i spent in the oval office, i peaked out at the age of 18. >> we have a picture -- we actually have a picture of you meeting nixon. i had a question about it. i want to quickly show our views are at home. >> thank god they don't have it because the haircut. >> just a couple of other questions. what kind of music do you listen to?
>> i was just talking backstage. we have this fall out boy is one of them. yeah, yeah, i like linkin park and 21 pilots. stressed out. we play that on our bus but we're not stressed out. and they actually went to my kids' school. i'm a pretty much alternative and modern. my favorite concert was the wall. i'm the one that says i'm going to get pink floyd back together. with roger waters and david gilmore. somebody said the others are dead. i said, hey, it's gilmore and waters. come on. and if you have ever seen the wall -- >> it's the best concert ever. >> roger waters and "the wall." if it comes back go see it. it's worth it. >> one final question. it's a serious question as well. i lost my dad when i was young. your parents were killed by a drunk driver in a car accident. how did that change the person -- >> it changed my life. the only thing i'd say about this, for those that are watching, anderson, when i was a
little boy, i was afraid my mom and dad wouldn't come home one night. my dad would pick my mother up late one night on a very bad road. then at the age of 35, i got a phone call that they wouldn't be able to get home. and they were at the burger king because they got the second cup of coffee for free. that's the way the mailman and mrs. kasich lived. and i went in to a black hole with just a little pin prick of light and others who are here tonight have had that experience. but i had people come to me. i don't care -- you don't have to agree with me or like it or whatever but it's really where i found the lord. i've spent 29 years of my life working on that. i'm here to tell people that, look, life is -- it's so rocky. it's so fragile. we have to build our homes, our lives, our homes on solid granite, not on sand. and i have found that even though the pain still comes, there is where i have to go.
and as a result of my parents' accident, it's allowed me to hug that boy, and i whispered some things to him. or to go places with military families that lose a loved one. i'm not that great a guy, okay? i'm just doing the best i can. and sometimes i fail. but i believe there's a life yet to come, and i just happen to believe that i'm going to look up here and i'm going to do my best to be the best person i can do, and the campaign actually got me to slow down a little bit, which has been great. i got a great family, great daughters, emma and reese. i'm -- look, it's just all been a miracle to me. and i would really appreciate your consideration on saturday, and give me a chance to get to the rest of the country, okay? i need your help. thank you, anderson. >> thank you. governor kasich. when we come back, former florida governor jeb bush on stage.
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[ applause ] and welcome back. we are coming to you tonight from the university of south carolina school of law auditorium for the final cnn republican town hall before gop voters go to the polls this weekend. you've already met ohio governor john kasich. just ahead we'll talk to donald trump. right now please welcome former florida governor jeb bush. [ applause ] >> how are you all doing? >> hey, governor. welcome. how are you? have a seat. i like your boots. >> i do, too. they're comfortable. >> so you've had a busy week here. your brother, former president george w. bush on the campaign trail. your mother is here with us tonight.
what is it like campaigning with your family? >> it's a blast being with george because i love him dearly. this is the first time out he'd been campaigning for a candidate. i'm honored that he did it for me. i would have been disappointed had he not done it for me. and my mother is a superstar. she is -- people just love her dearly, and i do, too. [ applause ] a couple of weeks ago she was out campaigning in new hampshire, and it was the first time she'd seen snow in a while. we brought her to the warmer climates of south carolina and our bus tour. >> i want to ask you about a couple of things in the news. as you know the pope waded into america's immigration debate suggesting donald trump is not christian when he talked about building a wall. are you and the pope on the same page here? >> i always get in trouble when the pope says things because i'm a catholic. i'm informed by my faith and he's an inspirational leader of my church. but i don't question people's
christianity. that's a relationship they have with their lord and savior and themselves. i don't think it's appropriate to question donald trump's faith. he knows what his faith is. if he has a relationship with the lord, fantastic. if he doesn't, none of my business. >> earlier in the week, your twitter account, you tweeted a photo of a gun inscribed with your name and the word america. >> i was at a gun manufacturer in columbia, south carolina. i received that gun as a gift. first of all, i had a phenomenal town hall meet with workers concerned about economic security and national security. they sell a lot of what they make to the military. and they have seen the gutting of the military in terms of the sequester. they are concerned about that.
they are concerned about their jobs. they are concerned about obamacare. we had a lively discussion. i wanted to pay tribute to them by showing off the gun they gave me. and i believe the second amendment is as important a part of the bill of rights as any other part of the bill of rights. and a lot is riding with antonin scalia's passing. we'll have a lot of discussion about a lot of important things, including the second amendment. as governor of florida, i was a-plus rated for eight years in a row. i believe that we should protect the rights of law-abiding citizens and focus on putting bad people away that use guns illegally for a long while. that's what we did in florida. we have 1.5 million concealed permit holders in florida. if you commit a crime with a gun in florida, you're going to prison. there's a mandatory minimum sentence. i think that's the proper approach. >> would you change the president's recent executive actions? >> yes, i would. he doesn't have the authority to do that. he's given up working with congress. i think he's trampling on the constitution each and every time he does this.
the intention -- i don't necessarily agree with what he did. and it's a response to the san bernardino killings. that was an act of terror. that was not random gun violence. but the better way to do that, for example on the mental health element, which there's a convergence of interest between left and right on that. why not go to congress and see if you can work with conservatives in the congress to see if people mentally deranged don't have access to guns. there's ways to do this. trampling over the constitution, using authority you don't have. we're at the law school here. i'd hope the law school students would appreciate when the president doesn't have authority, he should not go beyond what the constitution allows him to do. >> the governor of this state endorsed senator rubio. >> i'm marking her down as neutral. >> one way to look at it.
>> how do you convince voters. >> your supporters, how do you convince them that you have momentum, a path forward? >> i do have momentum if you look at the polls and crowd sizes of our town hall meetings and enthusiasm that exists. i'm proud that lindsay graham is supporting me. he could have supported two of his colleagues, ted cruz and marco rubio. he's worked with them in the united states senate. he chose me because he believes i would be ready to serve on day one as commander in chief and leader of the free world. and that's a ringing endorsement for a guy probably the leading national security expert in the united states senate. >> you speak about your dad, former president bush, often on the campaign trail or when asked about him on the campaign trail. how has he impacted the way you run, the way you live your life? >> now i'm going to get emotional. he's the greatest man alive. my wife and i have been married 42 years next week. and --
[ applause ] i wasn't pausing for that. i was pausing because i was trying to not get emotional here about my dad. about when i was 25, i think, i decided normally when you are with -- at least i'm a hard charging, striving person. i always want to -- people like to strive to be like your parents. it's kind of a natural thing to do. i realized pretty quickly, if i could be half the man my dad was that would be a pretty good goal. if i strived to be as good as him, it would be impossible. i'd be on a couch getting therapy all the time. my dad is just, put aside the fact he was the first -- the youngest navy pilot in world war ii. served this country in so many difference ways, including being president. he's just a fine man, a person of integrity, honesty, courage. all the virtues you'd want to have to be inspired by. this guy is the real deal.
and so half the man of george bush means you can live a life of purpose and meaning as far as i'm concerned. >> i want you to meet some of the voters in the room. this is steve hogg, a republican. he's leaning towards you. he's got a question. >> yeah, don't mess this up. >> no pressure on me. >> no. governor, i did not grow up in a religious home. when i was a teenager, i became a follower of jesus christ and that decision changed me and continues to shape who i am and how i see the world. my question is, what is the single most important driving force in your life? what is that one thing above everything that shapes who you really are at your core, and if it isn't faith, what is it? if it is faith, how has your faith changed you? not as a politician but as a human being, as a man. >> phenomenal question. and my life journey as it relates to my faith journey was
transformed in 1988. not in any particular way. i wasn't down. i was just overwhelmed. i was living in tyranny of the present. when you are just overwhelmed. i had work, family. just all sorts of activities. my dad was running for president and i was working and trying to help him. and i was just overwhelmed. and it forced me to pause and to reflect about the important things of life. i started reading the bible, and i accepted jesus as my savior at that time. that was an important element of my life. the second part of my faith journey that was important was when after the 1994 election, and i lost, i decided i wanted to join the faith of my wife. we had gone to -- we go to mass. we were going to mass, except i wasn't a catholic. that's kind of cheating.
so i went to the rca class. about halfway through, and it was a wonderful experience. i was with real people. this was after an election defeat which was not fun. i learned a lot from the defeat. made me a much better person. but my catholic journey started then. on easter sabbath of 1995, i became a catholic. it informs a lot of how i think about life. i believe life is a gift from god, it's divinely inspired and we're all here for a purpose. if you believe like that, then a lot of the policy and thinking that goes with that in the public arena falls quite naturally. it means that you protect life from beginning to end. it means that you respect people that may have disabilities as important as anybody else. it means that you respect everybody. you treat them with dignity and respect. my faith is an important part of my life. and in public life, i don't think you put your faith in a lock box and say i'll do this at
home, and i'll do it when i go to the church but i can't do it openly in the public square. we're now confronted with a real challenge in our country, which is can we find accommodation in this great country with great diversity? can we respect people that may not agree with us on this particular issue, but also allow religious conscience to be front and center in our lives. the minute we start closing off people acting on their faith in the public square, we're not being american. this is the first freedom in our country. now this is under conversation and maybe under attack depending on -- we're back to the question of replacement of antonin scalia. both on the second amendment and religious freedom. these are big issues. and they should be discussed in the context of the campaign. >> thank you for your question. a question along those lines, forever. this is heather smith. a republican who is undecided but she is leaning towards you. >> wow, two in a row. >> good evening, governor. i'm a catholic as well. you have a few of us here. thank you for being here tonight.
with justice scalia's passing, my question to you has to do with the supreme court. many years ago our beloved former senator strom thurmond said a president that only has five months left in office should not pick a supreme court justice because it's 120 days to truly vet a nominee. with that being said, our current administration has 11 months in. if you were the current president with 11 months left, would you nominate a supreme court justice? and if you did, who would it be? >> i don't know who i would pick. i'll tell you the kind of person i would pick. it would be someone who did not aspire to legislate from the bench. someone with a deep intellectual acumen because this is a collaborative body. you have to persuade people towards your view and opinion to get to a majority opinion. and it would be someone who has
a consistent judicial record. i think given the context in which we're operating today, the old notion, the conventional wisdom of picking someone who doesn't have a record because it's easier to get that person passed, that needs to be thrown out the door we're living in such a divided society. there's going to be a fight no matter who you pick. and having someone with a consistent judicial record is important so as to avoid the case like david souter. my dad picked him. i'm sure he had the first two. he probably had persuasive skills. he had high intellectual acumen. but he wandered away from what people thought he was going to be, how he viewed the law, pretty quickly. he did not have a federal court record from which to operate. so i would pick someone that was in all likelihood to be in the judiciary already with a proven record. and i would fight. this is hugely important.
and i think, frankly, this is an important subject for this election. would i nominate someone? i probably would. as i said in the debate, i'm an article ii guy. i think the presidency -- we should be respectful of the constitution but whatever powers are afforded the presidency, the president ought to use them. they are there for a purpose. [ applause ] but in this current environment where you have such a divisive kind of environment in washington, it is unlikely that the senate would provide the necessary consent for that nomination. and i think it probably is better to have a -- make this part of the election. i'm willing to defend my views about the constitution and how judges should be appointed. the democratic nominee should probably want to do the same thing. and then you'd have the people deciding in essence which president would be the ones that would be nominating, not just the replacement for justice scalia, this incredible giant,
legal giant, this person who i think was the greatest lover of liberty and believed in the limitations of government. but whoever the next people are as well. this should be an important conversation we have. why not allow it to be part of the election? so i'm excited about the important election issue. i hope we can heighten the awareness of the importance of who we select for the next three or four justices. >> heather, thanks for your question. governor, this is brian bell, a police officer here in columbia. he's undecided and a republican. >> good evening, governor. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. appreciate your service. >> you're welcome. i'm a combat veteran of the first gulf war, somalia and iraq. >> appreciate your service again. >> you're welcome. and i am darn mad. the reason i'm mad is because i believe this administration,
current administration, has dropped the ball in fighting isis in iraq and defeating isis in iraq. we saw things that happened here in san bernardino. i don't want ever happening again in this country. would a president bush send ground troops to defeat them? >> we have ground troops there. this is a tragedy of our own doing. when we pulled back instead of keeping a small force which was the initial objective to create stability, a fragile and stable iraq existed when obama came into office. when he did not renew the agreement with the iraqi government to allow for troops to stay there, that void was filled by sectarianism that once again unraveled iraq. and it created isis. al qaeda in iraq was devastated. was gone.
but the recreation of a caliphate is because we pulled back and the iraqis did not have a sustainable kind of national government. so what should we do? i think we should embed our existing troops, 3,500 or more now, i don't know the exact number. seems like it's going up without a lot of fanfare. we ought to embed those troops inside the iraqi military to give them the training and backbone necessary for that fighting force to be re-established. we need to re-establish the partnership with the sunni tribal leaders that led to the heroic efforts of the u.s. armed forces and sunni forces to create the surge that brought about this fragile but stable iraq. and the blood of american soldiers was lost because of this. and was squandered by this administration's lack of continuation of the efforts. i think we need to arm the kurds
with more sophisticated weapons. we need to get the lawyers off the back of the war fighters. we have approvals required for the sorties that go out. and half of the sorties don't drop their ordnances because they can't get approval. we need air controllers forward leaning to make sure that we can identify and target the terrorists in a very targeted way. all of this together will bring about the defeat of isis. but it can't just be done in iraq. it has to be done in syria as well. and this is where it gets more dicey, if you will, because in the case of syria, we've allowed russia to establish a military presence back in the middle east for the first time in 40 years. we've done this in a way that is devastating. we've negotiated with the iranians, legitimized the regime. what do they do, instead of quietly allowing for dissent inside their country, they execute two or three people a day and are using this money to double down on their efforts to support the iraqi -- the shia militia and hezbollah in syria.
so this problem has been made worse but that does not mean that we don't have a duty to be able to protect ourselves by being on the offensive there. which means we need to create safe zones. you want to solve the refugee problem? create safe zones inside syria instead of allowing millions to be uprooted and creating a breeding ground for islamic terrorism if we don't watch it by not dealing with the problem in syria. we need a no-fly zone. that will be in conflict with the russians. but the russians should be more worried about the united states air force capabilities than us being worried about them. and then finally -- [ applause ] >> finally, it will take more than 50 special operators to embed those troops inside of a sunni-led force that is organized to destroy isis and be ultimately the political force that will bring about regime change.
assad has to go as well. this won't happen overnight. this will be a complicated challenge. in fact, when we pull back and lead from behind and we talk about red lines, we create chaos. that's what we see. we see a president that is not exerting the united states' leadership. he calls us an occupying force or calls us the world policeman or argues anyone against his nuance view is in cahoots with the death to america crowd. i don't think that's the proper way to lead. american leadership is necessary to be clear, overt, strong. that's how you draw the arab world and europe to create fighting force what can win. >> you put the responsibility on president obama. your brother's administration negotiated an agreement and wasn't able to reach an agreement. >> they negotiated an agreement that expired in 2012. and the intent, the clear intent was to renegotiate that and extend it. president obama now says, well, it was impossible because there
were liability issues with the -- couldn't get it past the legislature. >> but the iraqi government would not grant -- >> he could have gotten it if he had gotten the assurance from the president. he couldn't get the assurance from the legislature. it was an easy out for him. >> the iraqi legislation? >> yeah, the coming or whatever they call it. >> we have a question here. >> recreational drug use has become relatively common place on college campuses. as we look and as a student here, i observe that one of the most frequently used drugs is marijuana and advocates for it would say that it's harmless, that it's not physically addictive, yet i've watched several friends, close relatives, people who were like brothers to me become frequent users of the drug, become unable to do just basic functions like sleeping and eating without
smoking beforehand. what is your stance on legalization of recreational drug use? and also if elected president, what are you going to do to combat drug abuse and addiction in this country? >> two separate distinct questions, both of which are really important, will. the idea that recreational drug -- the terminology is probably a little misleading if you think about it because of the potency of this generation of marijuana. it has major impacts, neurological impacts. there are scores of studies that suggest this. and yet it's laughed off because culturally that's an obsolete notion. well, it isn't. my wife was on the board of casa, the leading advocate of research and development dealing with addiction and dealing with drug use and alcohol use in this country. just go on their web site and see the devastating nature, to your point, of the abuse of marijuana.
and the devastating impacts that has on productivity, the impacts it has on brain damage. this is not some idle kind of conversation, it's a serious problem. addiction in general is a huge problem for our country. you believe as informed by my faith we're all here for a purpose, everyone reaching their potential, we'd have a much less government, much more loving and compassionate society, a much more prosperous society. that i can see looking over the horizon. with addiction, that makes it harder. alcohol and drug abuse is a serious problem that crosses all ethnic lines, income lines. we have struggled with parents of a daughter who is now ten years drug free but she got into the criminal justice system because of her addictions.
there are a lot of people that have mental health challenges combined with addiction. so here's when i think we should do -- my first impulse is a bottom-up approach, not a top-down approach, where washington should be the partner to help solve the problem. we ought to have a focus on the brain. i'm talking about moon shots. here's moon shot for you. why don't we discover the brain, its complexities. you think about the neurological challenges that play out in our society, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, alzheimer's, autism, all of these things that relate to the brain and this extraordinary capability we have to discover drugs to cure disease, we have not been as advanced when it comes to the brain. that's one place the federal government can play an important role. secondly we need to look at our criminal justice system. 50% of all prisoners if our federal system are there because of drug use in a variety of n o
federal system are there because of drug use in a variety of ways. that's much higher than states generally. i think we ought to review this. maybe we should focus a little more on treatment and little less on punishment. you go talk to the sheriffs where you live, you'll find a lot of people who are addicted to drugs are being housed in our jails rather than getting treatment. it costs a lot more to keep someone in jail than give them treatment along the way. in florida we created drug courts all across the state, the adjudication was withheld for the crime that might have gone along with their addiction, but in return you had to get straight. had you to become drug free and had you to be in recovery. that is a far better approach in our society, i think, than just putting people away without giving them the kind of treatment that they need. my wife was the madrena of the
prevention movement in florida. we focused on prevention, greater awareness was particularly important for young people. and we did one thing, which government ought to did a lot more of. we benchmarked it. we actually measured where we were. when things were going well, we continued on the strategy that we had. when it wasn't working, we adjusted our strategy. we made this a serious effort and we were successful. i think the president can play a significant role in making sure the communities and states did the exact same thing. i appreciate the question. >> thank you, governor bush. >> this is daniel morales, he's a republican, undecided. >> your name is daniel? >> yes. >> how you doing? >> terrific.
>> local business owner in the area. i have a question about your marriage. a lot of the memorable leaders, they all had these marriages that were significant impact in their leadership. >> yeah. >> so my question is how is your wife and your marriage influenced your leadership? >> sweetie, this is going to be your anniversary present. we'll have 42 years of marriage next week on february 23rd, and it's been a joyous ride as far as i'm concerned. i met my wife in mexico when i was 17 years old on a sunday afternoon about 5:00. i can remember exactly where i was on the town square, and i remember exactly what she looked like to this day 45 years ago and i fell madly in love, head over heels, lightning bolt in love. i was skinnier back then. i lost like 20 pounds. i think i probably weighed like 175 after two weeks of hanging
out with her and she was the most beautiful girl i ever met in my life. i decided i was going to marry her right then and now. she said i was too tall. who would have thought that? but finally i convinced her this was the right thing to do, we got married. she was 20, i was 21, we've been on our life journey ever since. she's my inspiration. i tell people my life can be divided in a lot of ways, a.c. and b.c., before calumba and after calumba. i'm a lot better person because of it as well. love you, dear. [ applause ] >> thank you. actually, i read something from your son jeb jr. who said you guys speak spanish in the home. is that true? >> yeah, yeah. >> pretty much exclusively? >> well -- >> you must be pretty fluent? >> i'm bilingual. [ speaking spanish ] >> no. >> it's an advantage in life to
able to have a -- we have a bi-cultural relationship and it brings a diversity and a joy to -- it adds a lot of vitality to my life. so, yeah, i speak spanish. >> i wish i did. i want to you meet -- sorry. john whitaker, what's your question? >> governor bush, as a local financial adviser, i worry a lot about debt. i dislike debt. we have seen our country go from $9 trillion in national debt to 19 trillion. it elected, what could you do to help slow entitlement spending to help get the debt under control to help future generation generations. >> first of all, we need to create a culture of savings. 63% of americans can't make a $500 car payment. they don't have the cash to did that. and 60% of americans don't have
more than $1,000 of cash available to deal with whatever comes their way. a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck and they're struggling. they're struggling in any kind of hardship, there's no security and no safety net for them and it creates real hardship. so whatever we do, we also need to be promoting and providing incentives for savings. my son jeb is here. we had a business of four people. i decided we were going to have a 401(k). it cost $1,000 to open up the 401(k). a four-person business, that's a cost that is really -- i probably shouldn't have done it if it was simply based on a sound business decision, but we should allow businesses to pool their money, to pool their employees, to create 401(k) opportunities over a broader scale like large businesses have the opportunity to do. we should allow businesses to instead of having a 401(k) if
they don't want to did that to get a tax-free deduction to invest in their employee's ira, which is another way doof doing this. i think social security b beneficiaries once they reach e retirement should not have to pay the -- it's their money. in not let the 6% stay in their pocket instead of going through the government process. as a which of fixing the debt from government, there are three things we have do -- i'd save four. one, grow the economy at 4%, no 2%. that 2% incremental growth, you would create a dprm of additional economic activity in the tenth year if we created a high-growth strategy and a germany of economic activity is
a heck of a lot of revenue that would be coming into the federal government. so growing at a faster rate, which means tax reform, regulatory reform, embracing the energy revolution, dealing with the things what are now impeding our ability to invest in our own country and havei have specific plan. if you're interested, jeb2016.com. if you want to have a wonk-a-thon. government workers in washington get paid 40% more than equivalent workers in the private sector. why? they're supposed to be the servant, not the masters. we've allowed this to happen to make it harder to adjust to reform. we're stuck in a 20th century bureaucracy in a 21st century
world. third we shall need entitlement reform and reform our social security system. i would repeal obamacare and replace it with a consumer-directed model that in lieu of all of the subsidies hand have catastrophic coverage to be the norm, low premium, with preexisting conditions being the one standard kept from obamacare and allowing young adult children to stay on the plan and give people a $3,100 tax credit to pick the best plan for their families. this would be a far less costly
way. similarly medicare needs reform and social security. i would push medicaid back to the states. i know if i was governor today of florida, i could take the medicaid dollars that the state right now has and i could create a medicaid 21st century program for people of low income that would cost less and have significantly better outcomes. as long as washington didn't impose the rules on it, you could, too. that's the beauty of this is common sense applied without all the rules around it, we could recast a lot of these programs. so shifting power away from washington is the other way to deal with deficit. high growth, career civil service reform, entitlement reform and shifting how we education, transportation, every possible thing back to the states, i want to be the tenth amendment president. the government in washington was not designed to do all the things it's doing now. that's how you get back to
moving towards a balanced budget. we can do this. i believe in my heart that we can. >> governor, if you'll just have a seat. we like to end this with a couple of lighter questions. >> we're finished? i was just warming up what kind of music do you listen to? >> i listen to country music mostly. zach brown. tim miller is my communications director think it's crazy but the song i come out to for our meetings, i actually like the song. >> how do you relax? i read. >> your brother points now? >> yeah, that's really weird. >> has he painted you? >> no. i'm waiting for the primitive era to be finished. no, he's tlieactually pretty got
that time. he told some poor -- some poor art teacher, he called her up and said this is george bush, i want to learn how to paint. there's a rembrandt inside me and your job is to bring rembrandt out. he's gotten pretty good at it. i don't warrant a picture yet. >> what do you like to do? >> to relax? i like to do sunday fun day with my two precious granddaughters that live in miami. i like guacamole. i like hanging out with my granddaughters and grandsons, i like playing speed golf. i love reading. i learned that from my mama. >> ru >> are you reading anything now? >> i just finished the john meacham back on my dad. it was interesting. i learned more. i thought i knew everything. he wrote a diary over a long period of his life and he had approval to read the diary and mom was the editor.
he had to get approval to put stuff in the book. it was pretty extraordinary. he's a great write ar -- >> is there something in particular you learned? >> i learned how tough it was to lose in 1992. he didn't share that. he's part of the generation that you didn't show emotions. you grind through. stiff upper lip. people of my generation are more like bill clinton, you have to emote. it's more about the person rather than my dad's generation was much more selfless, less about them and more about helping others. so he didn't ever express any kind of deep disappointment, but it was there. it was real. and shouldn't be -- i shouldn't have been surprised which that. i mean, he lost an election. he felt like he let people down. he wanted to serve. he was a great president. and i think the country would have been better off had he won,
but he also eventually accepted it and moved on and had a great post-presidency. >> i've heard you say you're an introvert. i'm a complete intro vert. that's the reason i'm on television. is it hard to campaign as an introvert and be on television? >> it's interesting because introverts, they just grind. you're not deterred. i've overcome my introversion which makes me better. >> how do you that? do you propel yourself forward? >> yeah. i think i connect better with people because i learned how it did it. it wasn't something that came naturally. the greatest joy i have are town hall meetings where i'm learning. intrope verts like to learn, too. they don't like to talk about
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>> hello, everybody. >> hello. thank you. >> welcome. how's it going? nice to see you. have a seat. so you've had quite a day. >> oh, the pope is a wonderful guy. >> let's start right there. how surprised were you by what the pope said? for those who don't know, part of what he said was a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be and not of building bridges is not christian, this is not the gospel. >> i didn't think it was a good thing for him to say, frankly. he was talking about the border and i'm very strong on border security, we have to have a border in this country. we don't have one right now. as you know we're talking about building a wall. we're going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for the wall. that's the way it is. we have a trade balance -- imbalance of about $58 billion with mexico. it's more than that because we subsidize, et cetera, et cetera, so they're going to pay for the wall.
but somehow the government of mexico spoke with the pope, they spent a lot of time with the pope -- >> you think the government of mexico got the pope to say that? >> i don't think they said that way. i think they said isn't it terrible mr. trump wants to have border security, et cetera, et cetera. and the hope made the statement. i think it was probably a little nicer statement than what you folks reported in the media. after i read it, it was a little softer. the bottom line is we have to have a border, we have to have security. we have tremendous illegal immigration. >> the pope did say it was not the gospel. i say only that this man is not christian if he has said things like that. we must see if he said things in that way, and i will give him the benefit of the doubt. >> and he also talked about having a wall is not christian. he's got an awfully big wall at the vatican, i will tell you. >> but people do come and go through the vatican. >> and they're going to come and go through the wall.
but they're going to come and go legally, they're going to do it legally. that's what i want and what a lot of people want because they agree with me. >> you've been in fights with a lot of people but with the pope, does it give you pause? >> i don't like fighting with the pope actually. i think it was much softer than originally reported. i think he heard one side of the story, which was probably by the mexican government. he didn't see the strain with border is causing us with illegal immigration, the drugs pouring in across the border. i won the new hampshire primary. the biggest single problem no matter where i went in new hampshire is heroin. you look at new hampshire as being this beautiful, idyllic place and i loved it.
they have a massive drug problem, as you know. no matter what i do, it's the first subject they want to talk about, and we've got to stop it. it's pouring in through the southern border and we are going to stop it. >> i want to ask you one more question before we get to our voters. many of whom are undecided. as many people are in the state. >> real? there are undecideds? >> you're doing well in the polls. you could pick up a couple votes tonight. >> maybe. we'll see. >> early on you talked about forgiveness. and you were asked in terms of your faith whether you asked for forgiveness. at one point you said to me you try not to do things wrong is he you don't have to ask for forgiveness. >> true. >> was there a moment you first heard the pope had said something about you that you thought maybe you're going to have to ask for forgiveness? >> no. i have a lot of respect for the pope.
i think he has a lot of personality, he's very different. but i think he was misinterpreted. i think he was given false information. if he had heard our side -- the side from people who live in the united states -- >> would you like to meet with him and talk to him about it? >> i'll do it any time he wants. i like him as a personality, i like what he represents and i certainly have great respect for the position. >> we did a town hall last night, i talked to marco rubio, to senator cruz. you sent senator cruz a cease and desist letter to the campaign about an ad they're returning that features an old interview with tim russert back in the late 90s -- >> many, many years ago -- >> when you were pro-choice. you now say you're pro-life and you're adamant about that. >> but that's not the only thing. i mean, look, he has a problem with the truth. and even marco rubio, i guess today there was something about a picture was manufactured and it was -- >> photo shopped. >> it was totally photo shopped. i could see by looking it at it. it even made marco a lot shorter
than he is. that probably bothered him the most. he was like very small. not so big but so small. i looked at that photo and said immediately it was photo shopped. if you look what the he did, cruz to ben carson, said he's out of the race, he's out of the race. he did a voter violation notice. it hooked -- looked like it was right out of the i.r.s. the official paper. it's basically you have a voter violation. they don't have lawyers. these were people that were frightened when they got it, it graded them and said you have an f, f, f and it said if you vote for ted cruz, your violation will go away. let me tell you something, people voted for him because of that. that was a fraudulent document.
he said donald trump will destroy the second amendment, you're not going to have a second amendment. there's even one going up now in nevada. he's got something about land that i'm for taking back the land. i have nothing to do with it. he will make up stories. you know, he holds up the bible and then he lies. i think it's very inappropriate. >> but a cease and desist letter, i mean, you're not going to sue him. >> well, you don't know that but i like to send letters. i have wonderful lawyers. i like to send letters. but you know what? it's good for people to know. it's probably affected him because i know the cbs poll just came out a little while ago and "new york times"/cbs, i mean, my numbers are fantastic and i think it had an impact. >> in that particular commercial, he's using an interview you did in the late 90s. >> he's not saying that. he's saying i am. when he goes around talking to people, that was 17 or 19 years ago. that was a long time ago. it was with tim russert, who by the way was a great guy.
we miss him. i really liked him a lot. it was with tim russert. you have to explain my views now. you can't say "i am." that's what he was doing when he went out to audiences. it's just not true. as far as second amendment, i'm the strongest person i'm the strongest person running on the second amendment. he'd just make up stories. it was inappropriate, anderson. and we sent him something. we'll see what happens. who know. i think he's got other cases. i think the wonderful case is going to be whether or not -- i understand he got sued today actually, he's going to be sued by a lot of people, he's going to be sued by the democrats if he ever got the nomination, which i don't think he will honestly. but if he ever -- i don't think he's got a very good chance of getting it. but he was sued today on the fact that he was born in canada. that's a big problem. it's a problem for the party, the republican party. >> you sent out cease and desist letters, you said you have lawyers, you like to send out letters. >> i don't like to. but it's something i will do on
occasion. >> your critics say you're a bully. >> i'm not a bully. people said i'm not going to run. then i ran. then they say you'll sign your life away. i signed form a. they said he'll never put in his financials, maybe they're not as good. turned out they're much better than anybody even envisioned. i built a great company. i have some of the greatest assets in the world, very low debt, tremendous cash flow. it's a truly great company. >> as president would you be sending cease and desist letters? >> maybe to china. i'd send them to china to stop ripping us off, i'd send them to other countries to stop ripping us off, maybe to mexico.
our country is going to hell. we have a problem with china, with japan, with mexico both at the border and in trade. carrier air conditioner, i buy them all the time, i buy thousands. they're moving to mexico. i'm not going to buy them anymore. i saw the boss say we're closing up, we're moving to mexico. what do we get out of it? now they're going to make air conditioners, sell them to us, no nothing. if we say you're going to have to pay a 35% tax to get them through the border, they wouldn't even move. >> sherri burriss is here, she's a republican, currently undecided. sherri? >> no pressure. >> hi, nice to meet you. first i want to start off by saying i'm impressed with your business sense, especially because i'm a commercial real estate broker. >> then you know. >> maybe can you teach me some things. >> where are you from? >> from columbia, south carolina. i also have a masters in public administration.
i worked for 16 years in state government all the way from working with the legislature to state and local government trying to actually implement private sector policies. as you probably have already figured out, politics and government in general is a totally different animal. >> totally different, true. >> here's my concern. in private sector if you don't like the deal, you can walk away. the president is not a person, it's not a business, it's an office that is powered to protect and serve the people of the united states. my biggest concern is how are you going to govern and get buy-in from people that you may totally disagree with without getting angry and without refusing to look for common ground? i like your principles, i want a strong president, i want someone who is strong, tenacious, but
i'm having some trouble getting past your self-control. >> okay. >> can you help me with that? >> i appreciate the question actually. it's a great question. first of all, when it comes to, you know, some people say trump is tough, i thought i did a great debate the other night, "time" magazine and everything thought i won. drudge thought i won. they do the polls after the debate. i thought i did a great debate. but some people thought i was too tough. i said, wait a minute, i have jeb bush and all these guys coming at me from 15 different angles and you have to be tough. we have to be tough to protect our country. i have a great temperament. you don't build a great company and especially a company with very little debt and all of the things i have and i have long-term employees and they've been with me a long time. we have isis chopping off people as heads, christians' heads,
drowning them in cages, this is like medieval times. hillary said "i don't like donald trump's tone." they're chopping off the heads of people. if we don't have the toughness -- we're going to let people in this country, they're going to be isis or isis-related and we're going to have problems like you've never seen. we had a problem, the married couple, they killed 14 people. they killed people and you understand what i'm talking about in california, they killed people that give them wedding parties. people that they knew very well. people that they worked with. people that they actually get along with. they killed them. there's something going on. we need a certain toughness. we have weak people leading our country. >> as president, though, you've talked about this before, would your tone be different? is there a presidential trump? >> you and i have had this conversation. look, i went to the best school, i was a good student and all of this stuff. i'm a smart person. my uncle was one of the top
people at m.i.t., a great professor at m.i.t. it's a smart family, okay? i can be more politically correct than anybody you've ever interviewed. you'd probably say, boy, that was a boring interview. i deal with society. society loves me. i can act differently for different people. we don't have time to be totally politically correct in this country. our country is in serious, serious trouble. let me give you one example about toughness. we have the democrats and republicans. there's trillions of dollars that cannot get back into this country. the democrats agree it should come back in, the republicans agree. this isn't something like a health care that they don't agree. this is something -- i say it's more like $5 trillion. carl icahn endorsed me. i could put ten people in a room, within minutes they all
want it. this is something not where there's a dispute, they all want it. i don't know if they don't work hard enough. i don't know what it is. >> some candidates are saying compromise is a dirty word. you have to stand on principles. >> i believe in compromise where i win, okay? >> can you always win in a compromise? >> yeah, you can win. tip o'neill and ronald reagan, they ran a pretty good ship and they did well and everybody was happy. the country wasn't based on executive orders. right now obama goes around signing executive orders. he can't even get along with the democrats. he goes around signing all these executive orders. it's a basic disaster. you can't do it. here's the thing, corporate inversion. we have companies, great companies leaving the united states. you know, it used to be they'd leave someplace for florida or
someplace for texas but we have great countries leaving this country. the great companies are leaving, many of them, they're going to ireland. we're having announcements where thousands and thousands of jobs and greats companies are leaving. we can't let that happen. they're leaving for two reasons, lower taxes and under my plan the taxes are much, much low are for the middle class and corporations but they're leaving to get back money. they're leaving to get the money they can't bring back into this country. >> i want you to meet todd hicks. he has a question on health care. he said he is voting for you. >> i like him right from the beginning. thank you, todd, you're doing the right thing. >> good evening, mr. trump. my question is about health care. i'm a local health insurance agent over in camden, south carolina.
i'm not a big fan of obamacare. >> you're right. >> you've gone on record stating one of your first acts of duty when you're elected president would be to abolish obamacare. >> 100%. >> i've sat and watched the sticker shot of customers coming in as they've seen the rising costs. what is your exact plan and please be specific as to what you would do to replace obamacare. >> first of all, obamacare as you know is a disaster. your rates are going up 25, 35, 45, 55%. it's going to fail in each 17 anyway, unless as usual the republicans bail him out. the republicans have been so weak. the budget they passed four weeks ago -- they call it the omnibus budget. it gives obama everything he wanted, gives him money to bring in people from syria, which is a disaster, we can't afford it do that. it gives money for illegal immigration, for letting people come in illegally into this country. the whole thing is a disaster, the republicans passed it. with health care, we have to
repeal and replace obamacare >> what would you replace it with? >> health care savings accounts, which are great. we go that, or we're going to have and probably and, you can say and/or, what i really like is -- i'm a self-funder. i'm not taking any money, okay? i'm not taking money from the insurance companies so can i do what's right for the people and this is something i think i've been given credit for, i don't think i've been given enough credit because i have turned down hundreds of millions of dollars. jeb bush raised $148 million, put in a fund, it's like throwing it out the window what he did with it, i would have had -- i have people asking me, please let me give you -- i'm doing it all myself. we have lines around each state. it makes it impossible for
people to bid for insurance companies to bid within those states. the insurance companies would rather have a monopoly on here or iowa or any other place than to be able bid all over the united states because they make much more money that way. the insurance companies take care of the politicians. most of the guys i'm running against are getting money from insurance companies and getting money from, by the way, other companies, drug companies, pharmaceutical companies, they give tremendous amounts of money to the people i'm negotiating against, that i'm debating against, the people that are on the stage, the people in congress, the senators. so what i'm saying is this -- we have to get rid of the lines, we have to create competition. when you do that, you will have the best health care you've ever, ever had and it will be at a reasonable cost. they almost got rid of the lines when they were doing obamacare but it didn't happen because the insurance companies have too many. senators under control. you understand what i mean. >> is that specific enough for you? >> sounds fair enough. >> if obamacare is repealed and
there's no mandate for everybody to have insurance, why would insurance not have a preexisting -- >> so here's where i'm a little bit different. i don't want people dying on the streets. i say this all the time. i did five speeches today, we had a lot of rallies, thousands and thousands of people. we get big crowds. every time i talk about this, i get standing ovations. your insurance will go way down, you'll have better plans, you'll get your own doctor. obama lied when he said you're going to keep your plan and keep your doctor. it was a pure lie. frankly, many democrats went along only because they believed him. he lied 28 times he said it. 28 times. if that were in the private sector, you'd be sued for fraud. he lied to get the plan through. he got it through and it's turned out to be a disaster. the wrong people are buying it.
you know what's happening. it's dead. it's going to be repealed, it's going to be replaced. i will say this, anderson, if we don't do something quickly, you'll have a health care problem like we've never seen in this country. the new plan is good but there's going to be a group of people at the bottom, people that haven't done well, that don't have any money that won't be able to be taken care of. we're going to take care of them through maybe concepts of medicare, we have hospitals that aren't doing well, doctors that aren't doing well. you cannot let people die on the street. people would say that's not a very republican thing to say. every time i say this at a rally or even today i said it, once it got a standing ovation. everybody thinks that you people of republicans hate the concept of taking care of people that are really, really sick and are going to die. that's not single payor, by the way. that's called heart. we got to take care of people that can't take care of themselves.
but the plans will be much less expensive than obamacare, they'll be far better than obamacare, you'll get your doctor and get everything you want to get, it will be unbelievable, but you've got to get rid of the lines. you have to have competition. those people left, we've got to help them live and everybody likes it when i say it and that includes republicans and it's not single payor. >> i want to you meet orrin smith, a republican from leesville. he said he's undecided. >> i think it was about five years ago i sat in your office and you said you were thinking about running for president then and you didn't run then -- >> i should have done it. we would have had obama for four years instead of for eight years. >> but man are you running now. >> this is better timing for me. >> and you made a lot of statements and covered a lot of ground in a short period of time. one statement you made i'm having trouble getting over and i wanted to ask you about it. >> sure. >> as a matter of fact, when i
was watching the debate and you made this statement, i had to apologize to my children for the words that came out of my mouth when you said what you said and that was and i don't want to put words in your mouth so correct me if i'm wrong, when you said this george w. bush, when he was our last republican president, a man i respect greatly, a person that we really fought for when he was up against a lot of pressure, that he lied to get us in the war in iraq. that stung me very deeply. i don't believe that. i'm just wondering given some time passing perhaps you've rethought that. would you be willing to rethink that? >> a lot of people agree with what i said. i'm not talking about lying, i'm not talking about not lying. nobody really knows why we went into iraq. the iraqis -- it was not saddam hussein that knocked down the world trade center. >> what you said was they lied, they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were is >> you said they lied, there
were no weapons of mass destruction. >> there were a lot of people that think look, bottom line, there were no weapons of mass destruction. they said, there are weapons of mass destruction. i was against the war when it started. >> so you think the president of the united states, george w. bush, lied? >> look, i'm not going to get your vote, so that's okay. i'll tell you very simply, it may have been the worst decision going into iraq, may have been the worst decision any president has made in the history of the country, that's how bad it is. the migration you see today, the destruction of europe, with angela merkel allowing millions of people come into germany. they're going to leave germany. many, many people are leaving germany. you look at sweden. i was in brussels years ago. now it's like an armed camp. so crazy what they've done.
everything that's happening started with stupidly going into the war in iraq. we have -- and people talk about the button. i'm the one that doesn't want to do this. i said in 2001 and 2002, you shouldn't be doing it. $2 trillion for fighting in iraq, right? we have wounded warriors, who i love all over the place. these are braver than all of us put together, and these are great people. we got nothing. we have nothing. we can't even make a phone call right now. >> but to his question -- >> i'm trying to separate -- >> do you think he lied? >> whether he lied or not, he went into iraq, it was a horrible decision, okay? and iraq did not knock down the world trade center. where did these people go when they got on the airplanes? do you know where they went? they went -- a lot of them went
to saudi arabia. now, there are sealed documents right now that nobody wants to be opened. i will say this, saddam hussein overplayed his hand, because he was -- senior bush did the right thing, he knocked the heck out of him and he pulled back. that was okay to do. the problem is, saddam hussein said, i drove the americans back. he really overplayed his hand and i think the son being loyal to the father, he wanted to go into iraq even if it wasn't the right thing to do. he went into iraq, he started something that destroyed the middle east. i said don't go in because you'll have a total imbalance. you'll have iran taking over iraq. everything i said turned out to be true. they wanted to do it for years and years. so not only do we make a horrible, horrible deal where we're giving iran $150 billion,
we got nothing for us. we shouldn't have even started negotiating until we got our prisoners back. the war in iraq started, the whole destabilization of the middle east, it started isis, it started libya, it started syria. that was one of the worst decisions ever made by any government at any time. in all fairness, bush made the decision, and barack obama -- barack obama, as bad as he is, and he's bad, but he got us out the wrong way. he should have left people there, and he should have done it differently and he shouldn't have said we're getting out on a specific time. so bad. so bad. >> just to his question, one more chance, either you believe he either lied or did not lie. >> i don't know what he did, i just know it was a mistake. >> was it a mistake for you to
say in that debate he lied? >> i would have to see the exact word. i don't know why he went in, because honestly, there was no reason to go in. they didn't knock down the world trade center. it wasn't iraq that knocked it down. >> so you would not say that george w. bush lied? >> i don't know. i would have to look at some documenting. >> this is craig caldwell, a small business owner. he is undecided. >> mr. trump, you're considered the political outsider in this race. a lot of people attribute your overall success to that. if you go on to win this nomination in november, a trump administration cabinet would consist of people outside of politics. if no, can you give us some examples of who you would consider and for what post -- >> you talked about carl icahn already. >> what i would love carl to do is check out how are we doing in trade with china. i would like him negotiating.
all my friends are calling me now saying wow, this could happen. we have the greatest business people in the world in this country. we don't use them. we use political hacks to negotiate with china and japan. we have carolyn kennedy negotiating car deals. she got to be the ambassador of japan. >> would you want all republicans on your cabinet or -- >> i want the best people. i want the greatest negotiators. we can't lose $505 billion next year with china. >> do you find it valuable as a leader in your business world to have people with very different opinions? >> i like that. and then you make the decision. i think i'm very open to that. i've always liked that. i'm fine with it. i want the most talented people. we have the greatest negotiators in the world. i told you before, we have a trade deficit with mexico. $58 billion. when they say you won't build a wall, the wall is going to cost $12 million.
it's peanuts compared to what we lose. that's why mexico will pay. >> they say they're not going to pay. >> i know they do. but calderone the other day, the past president, said we will not pay. the newspapers called me up and said he said they won't pay. what do you say? i said the wall just got ten feet higher. >> got to take a break. back in a minute with more questions for donald trump.
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♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. welcome back. we're here at the campus of the university of south carolina here in columbia. less than two days to go until primary day. donald trump taking questions from the voters right now. thanks for being here. again. >> thank you. >> continuing on. i literally was just handed this. there's a report out on buzz feed that includes an audio clip of what appears to be you on howard stern talking on the radio on september 11th, 2002. he asked you are you for invading iraq. you said -- yeah, i guess so, i wish the first time it was done correctly.
is that accurate? do you remember saying that? >> no, but i could have said that. nobody asked me. i wasn't a politician. it was probably the first time anybody asked me the question. but by the time the war started, that was quite a bit different. >> yeah, this was 2002. >> by the time the war started, i was against the war. and there were headlines in 2003-2004 that i was totally against the war. actually, a couple of people in your world in terms of the pundits said there is definite proof in 2003-2004 trump was against it. >> right, but in 2004 there was a reuters article, those were a couple weeks after the war began. >> which is okay. a lot of people said it was so early that even if it was a little bit after the war, he was totally against the war. i was very much against it. that was probably the first time i was ever even asked about the war. howard, who's a great guy by the way. a lot of people don't understand that. >> he's a great interview. >> he's a great interviewer, a talented guy and a good guy. it was probably the first time i was asked about it. >> okay.
i haven't heard it, but you may have said this? >> yeah, i may have. when you're in the private sector, you get asked things. you're not a politician, probably the first time i was asked by the time the war started i was against it, shortly thereafter, i was really against it. >> i want you to meet another voter, ryan parsons, an aspiring entrepreneur here in south carolina. he is a registered republican right now. he is undecided. >> hi, mr. trump. it's an honor to speak to you. >> thank you. >> thanks for coming to columbia. my girlfriend who is a lobbyist who advised me not say this, but in the spirit of you being here i'm going to say it any way. muhammad ali's greatest fault is that he didn't know how great he was. so my question to you is, what is your greatest fault, and how will you continue to overcome it in order to win the general election? >> i don't know that it has to do with the general election. i have found this process amazingly interesting, i've never done this. i've been doing this for seven months. i've been given credit, we're
doing really nicely. it's been interesting for me. i will tell you, i've said a couple of times, one of my faults is i will put up with people and deception even though i know they're deceiving too long. but when i get -- when i, you know, get to it, i'm too tough. in other words, too long and then instead of just forgetting about it, and especially things that don't matter that much, i never forget. i don't forget. i don't think you forget either to be honest with you, i don't forget. my wife will tell me sometimes, you're -- sometimes you'll go too long. but then when it gets bad, it's like -- >> you hold on to stuff. >> i do, i hold on to stuff. i would rather not hold on to stuff. if i've been deceived in anyway, or something happens, i don't forget. sometimes you're better off forgetting. in other cases it's not such a bad happening. you learn. usually with people, and i talk about success, a lot of my friends ask me to speak about success. a lot of people pay me a lot of
money to do it, and we give to it charity and we have a lot of fun with it. but a lot of people ask me that. you don't want to necessarily -- you want to remember. when people deceive you once, usually that same person will do it again, because that's a trait that they have. it's not so bad, but i would say i hold on too long, and i never forget. and sometimes forgetting is not a bad thing. if that makes sense. >> this is michael letz, he's been a republican activist for over 30 years, he's also undecided. so like many people in the state. michael? >> good evening mr. trump, welcome to the capital of southern hospitality. the tea's sweet, it looks like the questions are even sweeter. i'd like to have you address a particular issue that i've not seen any of our republican candidates address to this point. in the numerous incidents recently, police involved shootings and the questions that have been led about racism and the racial tensions that have been caused, i'd like to ask what your administration would do to be able to for future
situations make sure that our law enforcement and our first responders have the kind of support that they feel that they need. because quite frankly, mr. trump, first responders' lives truly matter. >> you're right. i am a big, big supporter of the police. i think the police are being treated horribly in this country. and certainly have you some bad acts and bad mistakes made on occasion. it's a tiny fraction compared to the great work they do. and i am without question a huge supporter of the police. we wouldn't be sitting here right now. we wouldn't have a safe society, really. you look at what's happening around the world, we wouldn't have a safe society. so i can tell you right now, i assume you are also with me on this. i'm a tremendous supporter of the police, and i think they are mistreated and misunderstood. and i think we should give them much more credit than we have given them. >> i want to ask you, at the end of these, we like to ask a couple personal questions to let diewers get to know you in a