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reportedly have refused to cash the annual $4,085 rent checks the united states pays for guantanamo as a protest. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter and it's time for "reliable sources" our weekly look at the story behind the story of how news and pop culture get me. ahead, clinton wins big in south carolina, but does her redemption in the palmetto state solidify her path to the nomination and should the press be careful not to count bernie sanders out? ed schultz and david brock will weigh in. plus, the candidates' media blitz before super tuesday is ramping up, but there's one place the candidates aren't appearing. it's your local newspaper. we're going to talk with three of the country's top editors. join me from super tuesday states for a special ed for's round table. and later, host melissa
harris perry's show canceled. i have fresh reporting on what went wrong late they are hour. first, the gloves, they sure were off at the cnn's gop debate in houston on thursday night. if feels like it was a long time ago, doesn't it? almost 15 million viewers tuning in to watch the leading candidates hurling insults and trading spernl twakts but it's really what happened next between marco rubio and donald trump on the campaign trail that made the debate look civilized. marco rubio taking a page right out of trump's playbook and it's making the gop contest feel like this, a smackdown from the wwe. >> i watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago -- >> i watched you repeat yourself five times five seconds ago. >>'s a choker. >> he xospelled -- >> the worst spray tan in america. >> nasty little guy. >> make sure his pants weren't wet. >> i need watt per. >> he was having a meltdown. >> bing, bing, bing. >> donald trump likes to sue
people. he should sue whoever did that to his face. >> what do we say, right? comedian jake flores might have said it best. he suggested on twitter this week, he said, i'm starting to think this is the last season of america and the writers are just going nuts. it's been retweeted 25,000 times. clearly some people agree with him. now, many people are asking have media outlets enabled trump and are they now egging on rubio? let me bring in my all-star panel to talk about. kathleen parker from "the washington post", jim warren from pointer, and molly hemingway, senior editor at the federalist. kathleen, is rubio trying to portray trump as a loser, something other candidates up until now have been maybe afraid to do? >> well, absolutely. and i'm delighted that e seems to have taken my advice because i wrote a column to that effect, but anyway, yes, basically what
he's doing i think is going after trump. he's taunting him because the one thing a bully can't stand is to be taunted, and he's trying to get under trump's skin i think at a deeper level than anyone else has bothered to do previously and why not? trump has been throwing it at him pretty fiercely. he's returning the volley but he's also having a little bit of fun i think. it's a liberation moment for marco rubio who has been accused of being so robotic previously. it seems to be working too. trump cannot stand it and we'll see where it goes. we'll look forward to everyone getting back to being a little more presidential however. >> you think that will actually happen? >> will that actually happen? it has to at some point. i think marco rubio has been out front for a good long while with his policies and has been very, very serious all along. but now -- >> i find myself -- >> to be able to do this -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. i was going to say i find myself wondering, molly, if this wall-to-wall coverage of trump and now this wall-to-wall coverage of rubio could end up
hurting trump. a lot of people have said for months that cable news coverage of trump has boosted his campaign, has turned him into the front-runner he is, but you have to wonder now that rubio is using trump's tactics and being broadcast live doing them, if it will really start to do damage to trump. >> well, it's not just that donald trump has gotten so much of the media coverage. you know, 60% to 80% of the actual air time when you're covering republican candidates, it's also about what he's getting coverage for. the media aren't responsible for donald trump but they're definitely responsible for enabling him and they're also responsible for the fact that if you're a republican candidate and you're trying to get a chance at air time you have to taunt and mock your opponent just to get any time on the air, so that is something i do wish the media would preflekt on what they're incentivizing in the process. there's no incentive to act presidential because it doesn't get you air time. there's no incentive to talk poli policy. >> jim, as our media critic, do you agree? >> there's a better chance my
new york knicks from the early days will win the championship than this is going to get more presidential anytime soon. we have an obvious race to the bottom for the likes of trump and now rubio. the marketplace is almost dick kating, you know, this sort of descent into the valley of almost international trolling. the back and forth is akin to some of the raw notes we see at the bottom of our internet pieces as anybody can say what the heck they want and you have the symbiotic relationship between the candidates on one hand and news direct whose see some of this as ratings manna, particularly with donald trump, and you have a system which is commercially driven. remember, in most other countries, you know, debates and town halls like this are not commercial. there's not an incentive for folks to sort of jack up the pugilistic air about it, so i don't think so this descent to the bottom is going to change anytime soon. >> i went to reach for my watter to take that sip and then i
realized trump might make fun of me. the way we've seen visual comedy on the trail and then rubio reading tweets on stage, it felt like something right out of late night of course, right out of kimmel having people read mean tweets. kathleen, i saw you shaking your head yes. >> are you speaking to me? >> yeah, go ahead. >> there's a little bit of wind. i think it goes without saying that the candidates, that this campaign on the republican side has devolved into sort of the reality tv, you know, template, but, you know, i think too and i agree with molly that the media do have a choice in how they cover it, and i wish they would cover it more substantively and the ratings clearly drive all of that. but, you know, at some point i do think, you know, maybe it's after the conventions, i mean that's a long time to wait for presidential, but at some point, you know, everybody has got to
sit down and talk seriously about how to fix things and how to unify the country primarilpr. >> guys, at the same time it's interesting, you have so many reality sort of hiding there in plain sight. whether it's the donald trump business record, and that's been laid out by many folks. there was the former "new york times" reporter david k. johnston who a year or so ago did a fabulous piece raising 20, 25 questions or so in something called the national memo about that record. then the other night you had rubio with what was deemed some pearl harbor-like sneak attack when it comes to trump university. that's all been laid out. go to "time" magazine. steve brill did a fabulous piece just going through the court records and almost everything trump said in response to rubio, to wolf blitzer, was categorically wrong, but the question is does -- is any of this appreciated? the information is out there, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of understanding or interest in understanding on the rt of the republican primary
electorate. >> molly, go ahead. >> it's not just about whether you cover it one time or whether there was something written in the past. it's part of how much coverage are you giving as part of the whole. when you say there was a piece writ an few months ago that went through some of his mob ties, that's not sufficient. the media need to be a little more proportion nal in the same way they cover hillary clinton. certainly her campaign gets covered but also some of her e-mail scandals and things like that. so i think we could just see much more substantive coverage of trump as well. >> you mentioned mob ties. worth knowing ted cruz brought up that on one of the sunday show this is morning. wonderf wonder if we'll hear more from cruz on that. want to turn to one of trump's favorite punching bags, the media. "the new york times" wrote "donald trump in new york, deep roots but little influence." now, i don't know this for sure, but what do you think? do you think trump attacked "the new york times" as a result? take a look at what he said. >> "the new york times," it's going out of business, it's the
worst newspaper. it is a dead newspaper. these people are incompetent and they're bad people. they have a bad agenda. we're going to open up the libel laws so when they write falsely, we can sue the media and we can get the story corrected and get damages, right, believe me. >> "the new york times" has seen better days but it's not dead. jim, i want you to tell us about the libel law issue. educate our viewers for a moment. is it fundamentally an attack on press freedom to do what trump is proposing to do? >> yeah, absolutely. >> why? >> if you go back to the supreme court case famous case sullivan, you have got to show malicious intent in proving libel against a media outlet, even when it publishes erroneous facts. the irony here of a guy who is trying to weaken those libel laws at the same time he's very much profiting, is he not, from the protections of the first amendment by basically saying what the heck he wants. but i think in the process by
railing every time he feels he's been done some injustice by the press, i think he has inadvertently making a very, very good case for why you should make the laws stronger, not weaker, and i do hope mr. trump and campaign adherents are watching the oscars tonight and crossing their fingers that spotlight wins because that movie is all about the first amendment and its relevance in a democracy and why it should be stronger, not weaker, as trump wants to make it. >> you just gave a great tease for me. we will talk about "spotlight" later in the hour. whenever i hear trump criticizing the press i think this does resonate with a lot ever his fans. we are a punching bag that seems very effective. molly quhashtion is the antidote, if there is one to that sort of rhetoric? >> it's heartening to see the way the media have responded negatively to donald trump's calls to open up libel laws, but it also speaks to the strength of his argument, which is that the same media who are complaining about what he said about "the washington post" and "the new york times," they don't
care when democratic candidates openly state they're opposed to citizens unites, a supreme court decision that protects the first amendment, that allows people to criticize candidates. i don't know if people rather citizens united was about a nonprofit group trying to criticize hillary clinton and the supreme court said they could do that under free speech and free press rules. we don't see the same aefl of angst about other candidates speaking against the administration. or also just opposing other parts of the first amendment such as religious freedom protections. people are upset about that and that's partly why they're supporting someone like trump. >> molly, jim, kathleen, i thank you all for being here this morning. >> thank you. >> after super tuesday the big media story will be donald trump and megyn kelly, the rematch next thursday night. this reminds me from a quote of "rolling stone's quest latest issue. it says trump found the flaw in the american death star.
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declaring how the media made trump unstoppable calling him an above average con man saying the political system is his easiest mark and the media helped him by having failed attempts to prop up his opponents. he calls out two members of the media in particular, joe scarborough and mika brzezinski and he's joining me now to tell me why. >> great to be here. >> you spent a lot of tige on the campaign trail but on an outsider. what shocked you the most? >> i think with trump the thing that surprised me the most was that his actual stump speech, you know, the race-baiting stuff that has gotten him so much attention in the media is actually a relatively small part of his presentation. >> when you say race-baiting what do you mean? >> the things about mexicans being rapists and keeping the muss limits olims out of the co. his actual stump speech is very
populist in tone and is very much directed at this kind of global criticism of the system as being corrupt and infected with money and politics, and i think that was interesting to me because i think the media has underreported that emphasis. >> that part of it. you say america has made trump unstoppable. do you feel the media has played a part in making him -- >> of course. >> basically this part the presumptive nom if i. >> absolutely. of course we have. look at the statistics. we cited one in our article where he had had 233 times the amount of television network coverage that his next biggest opponent on the gop side, cruz, had had and he's had twice as much coverage as hillary. >> i might say that's because he's more unpredictable, more interesting, more compelling to watch and he's more popular. >> of course. and he gets better ratings. whenever anybody covers trump it's going to increase -- >> this is partly chicken or egg. we have been having this conversation for eight months. >> we have, but i mean i think this is what i was trying to say about trump in the article is that he sort of found the flaw
in our system, which is that normally when we have candidates who fall outside the pale and whom political reporters consider unsuitable candidates, people like pat buchanan or howard dean or ron paul, normally we criticize them and they go away. trump figured out if he just makes the whole thing a circus we just can't resist covering -- >> let me read from our article. you say trump isn't the first guy to run for office but the first to realize the weakness in the system. the watch dogs in the media can't result a car wreck. you go into the statistics about how he's been pulling more coverage than his rivals and hillary clinton. are you saying that maybe it's good television but it's not good journalism to be covered him as much as he gets covered? >> right. well, it's definitely good television. this is another point we were trying to make in the article which is that the election campaign, it's just a television show, and i think this is what
trump is -- his key insight into this whole process. he's a reality tv star. he knows how to do this and he's good at this and he's turned this -- what is essentially a television show into a show where he is the star and we can't live without it. >> and yet i would argue if marco rubio or some of the other candidates would agree to give interviews more often, they'd be on tv more often. maybe they'd have more of a chance. maybe they haven't learned trump's lesson that is trump might be teaching. >> that's possible but trump is just so good at turning, you know, a spontaneous moment into a whole news cycle's worth of headlines. we talked about how ted cruz made a major ad buy. he spends half a million dollars before iowa to try to get himself up in the polls, but then trump turns around a week later and kaulz him a name in a middle of a rally in manchester, new hampshire, and he gets four times the coverage cruz gets for his ad buy and doesn't have to pay a dime for it. >> do you think there are other people in 2020 or 2024 or 2028 who can pull this off, others
like trump who have the ability to go around the usual political system. >> absolutely but i think they will come from the place trump comes from. they will be entertainers. they might be wrestlers -- >> some people have said trump is one of a kind. this can never happen again but i don't think i agree. there are others in the future who can use free media and not -- >> right, they just have to have an instinct for getting media attention and he's brilliant at that but so are a thousand other reality tv stars and i think highways what we're going to see in the future. >> we're talking about the campaign as a reality tv show. i want to get your take on the "morning joe" issue. they have come under criticism for being too close to trump. they say they're not. they say this is just rivals trying to take cheap shots at them but we see this town hall that happened a couple weeks ago as an example of a close relationship between the two sides. from your perspective, is that a fair critique, there is a cozy relationship here? >> absolutely. what happens in journalism the same way there's a race to the
bottom with wages, there's a race to the bottom with jumpism, too. when politicians find out there's a platform out there where they can go and deliver their message without being asked tough questions, they're going to go there every single time as opposed to going to the place where they're going to be asked difficult questions. >> i would say skor borough has asked difficult questions and trump doesn't answer those questions. >> right. but generally the treatment there is very, very favorable and very, very cozy on that show, and it's gotten cozier over time. >> doungs? >> i think so. and that's another thing that happens with journalists. the more time they spent with a politician, the closer they become intellectually and socially with that person and they start to have a simpatico with that person and that's something we're starting to see with the show i think and some other shows as well he's been on. >> it's interesting to note that the trump town hall, it did better for msnbc than they would have done at 8:00 p.m. they had brnz on earlier this week at 8:00 p.m. and the ratings were pretty flat. it does go to this point trump
is more effective as a communicator on television. >> of course. and it's hard not to be affected by that as a journalist. you're going to gravitate towards -- >> we talk about ratings but i was a page views. it's just as important in this -- >> i'm just as guilty as everyone else. >> oh, yeah? >> i just wrote a cover story about trump -- >> that's because he's the most important story at least of this election and maybe in a longer period of time. >> that's true. he is undoubt -- >> thought i'd give you a little out. you write that the democratic race is breaking just right for trump. why is that? >> i think if you listen to trump's stump speech, that hillary clinton is a candidate he already talks about quite a lot and who is right in his wheelhouse in terms of what his criticism of the system is. he's going -- if she ends up being the nominee, he is going to pitch her as a creature of a corrupt system and that's what's won him the election on the gop side, and i think people are underestimating how effective that criticism might be from him
against hillary. >> by the way, i think clinton's huge landslide win last night makes it less likely we'll see michael bloomberg enter the race. some of that talk from earlier in the month maybe fades away a little bit. we'll see what happens super tuesday. matt, great to see you. >> thank you very much. coming up on "reliable sources" we talked about joe scarborough but there's more to msnbc. some drama behind the scenes and we'll get into that later this our. also if hillary clinton does become the democratic nominee, one of the people she will be thanking a david brock, and he'll join me next right after a quick break.
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clinton wins by a landslide or sanders never had a chance. whatever your sunday morning front page headline says, it boils down to one thing, hillary clinton is leading the race for the democratic presidential nomination, and bernie sanders has to play a serious game of catch-up. now, will clinton's lead result in changes to the way the race
is covered and does bernie still have a fighting chance with the media and have voters. joining me is ed schultz, now the host of news with ed on rt america and here in new york, david brock, the founder of media matters and the founder of correct the record, a pro-hillary clinton super pac. i thank you both for being here. ed, what is the significance of the results in south carolina last night? >> ryan, i don't think there's a whole lot of significance to it. bernie sanders has won new hampshire. he lost nevada by 700 votes and he lost big in south carolina last night, but south carolina hasn't been won by the democrats since 1976. it's been ten election cycles. so this isn't a bellwether state. it's not any tea leaf. there's a lot of water that's going to go under the bridge between now and the middle of march, so i think that looking at this it was a state that hillary expected to win. it was an uphill battle for bernie, but it's in the south and the democrats aren't going to win south carolina anyway.
i think the sanders campaign would much rather have a win in minnesota and colorado and maybe texas and later on florida in the month than to win south carolina. so i think the media is putting a lot of attention on a state that really is insignificant in the big picture. >> i thought it was revealing last night, msnbc and fox didn't even air bernie sanders' speech when he was on the road on the campaign trail. cnn did air part of it and then moved on. sanders didn't even take advantage of the air time when fox and msnbc were live. so i wonder if that was a missed opportunity. david, what do you make of what ed is saying about south carolina not being significant to the grand scheme of things? >> i don't agree. i think in the first four contests secretary clinton has won three all over country. it's significant going into super tuesday and the reason it's significant is i think the secretary's inclusive message about breaking barriers, about cementing president obama's legacy, building on, it it's resonating now, and i think for democrats the focus after super tuesday, i think she's going to
have some decisive victories there, is going to be a focus on what's going on on the other side of the aisle. because you see secretary clinton last night talking about love from a biblical verse and you flip the channel and on the other side of the aisle you see the hate and divisiveness and a front runner who has no idea how to run the country when we have a -- >> about a month ago you said i don't think it's ted cruz, i think it's trump. you clearly still agree with that. >> i do. i think so and i think it will present some challenges. i think there's a danger of democrats understiming what that challenge is but i like his chances. you look at his high negatives, how he's going to do with the latino vote and the broad vision that secretary clinton is spelling out. now, senator sanders has demonstrated real appeal but i think it's a nor narrow appeal and that's what we're seeing as we get into states that are bigger, more diverse. >> there might be disagreement about that, but, ed, do you agree trump is likely to be the gop nominally?
>> he probably will be. statistically and mathematically it looks pretty good for trump right now. but not so fast on the democratic side. we have a lot of primaries and kau doeses left. super tuesday will tell a lot and so will march 15th when it comes to florida and ohio. those are really the wheelhouse of what bernie sanders has been talking about, and hillary clinton is vulnerable in all of those states. and so i think that bernie is in a great position right now. it's not like he's been rolled in all of these contests. he certainly won new hampshire. he was expected to lose south carolina. 700 votes in nevada and 0.2 of 1% in iowa and they haven't even officially called it yet. so this media narrative it's all about clinton i think is wrong. now, if clinton starts picking off minnesota and colorado, then you've got something to look at, but i think this entire superdelegate conversation is getting more attention than it's ever gotten. since when do the superdelegates
tell the people how to vote? the superdelegates could be making a serious mistake right now putting themselves ahead of the popular vote. bernie sanders is going to be very solid in all of these states. >> let me get david in here. >> well, sure. i think sed right that this race is far from over. secretary clinton will work to get every vote in the democratic primaries but, look, i think senator sanders is being poorly advised. after new hampshire he said we're going to have a debate on the issues and we're going to stay positive. and you saw a relentless negative barrage from the candidate, from his surrogates, present company expected but you had cornell west out there talking about hillary as having no morality and being a wall street corporatist and senator sanders not being called on the carpet. think they're making a big mistake for the sanders' brand. let the race go on but let's make it more positive, more constructive -- >> what about the super -- >> you're make -- >> what about the super pac work
you have done for bernie sanders. >> let's talk about it. >> okay. and let's talk -- >> we're vetting the candidate. we are vetting the candidate. >> the hedge funds on wall street that support fracking and -- >> this is exactly what i'm taub being. we're doing the republicans' work for them. it's right out of the republican playbook. they are spending millions of dollars with that message. so did president obama. >> where does she stand on keystone in these are reverses after bernie got into the race and you know cha that. >> can i get a word in here? >> no, you can't because i'm going to make a point here. if hillary clinton is against the transpacific partnership, why isn't she lobbying against it in the united states senate? why doesn't she pick up all the phones and call these people in the senate who are endorsing her and say, you know what? we have to defeat tpp. this is bad for american jobs. she's not going to that -- >> let's get david's response. >> the only reason she's against it is because bernie is against it. >> i don't think that's fair at
all. look, senator clinton and secretary clinton has been the real progressive champion in this race. these trade issues, she wants that to be fair for american workers and that's been her position. now, the only one who has really moved as a result of this race is senator sanders flip-flopping on the gun issue where he supported the biggest special interest vote in the united states senate for the gun immunity loophole and he's backed off on that. >> let me tell you -- >> secretary clinton has been totally consistent and on wall street she's got a tougher plan. every liberal columnist and expert -- >> than release the transcripts. >> i have seen both of them move and i have seen clinton move to the left in a way the base clearly appreciates. ed, in your role at rt america, part of russia today, owned by the russian government, have you been able to be independent while working for a russia today channel? >> it's an international news agency that covers the world and, yes, american politics is a part of that, and i have had tremendous freedom there to do
what i want. we want both sides of the story and great debate and that's what i've experienced the first month i have been on the air there. it's a great gig, great people, very professional shop, and we're going to make a lot of inroads as time goes on. i'm very excited about this international platform. i want to make one more comment about -- >> it's interesting, more and more channels -- there are more and more international news channels funded by different countries and rt america is one example of them. i'm out of time here but gentlemen i appreciate you both joining me. ed, david, thank you very much. >> good to be with you. up next on "reliable sources," why candidates are avoiding your local newspaper and what they're doing about it. i'm sitting down with three editors for a special round table right after this. a mouthbreather! how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose
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tuesday with 11 states set to vote. i want you to hear from three of the country's top newspaper editors all three in super tuesday states running campaign coverage and all three say they have never seen anything like this. the primary process has been nationalized like never before, but the editors still say there is a special role for truly local media, and they do not agree about the effect of old-fashioned newspaper endorsements. susan, the executive editor of the tulsa world, kevin riley, the atlanta journal constitution and mike wilson, the editor of the dallas more than news. thank you all for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> good to be here. >> thanks for having us. >> kevin, what is the scenario for a newspaper like yours, a big newspaper, of course, the atlanta journal kths, are you able to get access to these candidates? are they willing to give interviews or bypassing you guys trying to give tv interviews and tweeting and facebooking instead? >> i think that they've really changed the way that they approach things now.
a lot of the candidates don't like to talk to newspapers anymore as i'm sure my colleagues will attest because we'll stick with the line of questioning. it's harder for them to control. so while we've had some access to the candidates, they really do like to fly in, make their tv appearances, hold their rallies and not really be subject to any tough questioning from our reporters. >> mike, you're shaking your head yes? >> i was thinking we invited, of course, all the candidates to visit with our eter toal board and we had one person accept, john kasich who came in on friday to see us after our editorial board recommended him for president. we had just a few days ago marco rubio did a rally not six or seven blocks from here but couldn't find his way to talk to us and answer any questions at the dallas morning news. >> you bring up editorials. obviously a newspaper like all three of yours, the op-eds are written separately in the news rooms. that's important to say off the top. but do you all sense that editorials are mattering less and less? let me start with you, susan?
are you finding that in tulsa? >> i think so, absolutely. i just don't think people pay that much attention to them anymore. we still do them and we feel like they're important to let people know how the editorial board is going to weigh in, but i don't think people pay that much attention to them. >> i think for the campaigns, they have the ability now to take their message directly to voters and they see -- they take whatever opportunity they can to do that and to go around any questioning or scrutiny they may get from people like puce. >> mike, tell me about the choice the ajc made in 2009 not to make any more endorsements anymore. why is that? >> well, brian, what we found is that people don't like to be told what to do, and what they really want us to do is thoroughly vet these candidates, really dig into their past, get to the real story, and what we find is that that's a greater service to our readers than trying to persuade them exactly how to vote. so that's what we spend our time doing. and we dig into their finances and people on our website can
find out exactly of who's donating money, how the candidates are raising that money in georgia, and that's really crucial in our state because after this primary, the candidates probably really won't be back except to raise money because georgia is such a solidly republican state that once it's over on march 1st, they probably won't be back. >> of course, the newspaper does not endorse but the ajc, one of your opinion columnists did call donald trump a fascist on a piece for the website. what was the backlash for that. what kind of reaction do you get when a piece like that is published? >> we always make sure we publish people on both the conservative and the liberal side, so what inevitably happens is that people attack from one side or the other on this, but i do think people are paying closer and closer attention to trump who came to the race well known and had a celebrity status -- >> right. >> -- and so he's been able to define the other candidates, but now i think that's turning a little bit, and he's being asked
to be a little bit clearer about exactly what he thinks. >> when you hear candidates criticizing the press, bashing the press, sowing distrust of the media, do you think there are things media outlets should be doing to counter that, things th that newsrooms should be doing to encourage voters to take what we do seriously and trust us? >> i think what we try to do is make sure our reporters are on their game at all times, they don't become argumentative so we can present a good face to the public when we're in the sites, but we try to -- you know, we try to make sure that we're reporting what people say, that we're not in error, we're not making mistakes. i think we just have to, you know, shore up our credibility a little bit. >> i just really agree with that. i think the answer to that is to not take it personally and do better reporting. all criticism can be answered by better, deeper reporting. >> another thing we can do is
just show our readers and show the public what we're doing behind the scenes. i mean, one of the things we do is we check the statements for accuracy that the candidates make, and we use the truth-o-meter and politifact but as part of that we let them see and we make available to them which documents we've checked, who we've spoken with, i think when people can see behind the curtain of how a newspaper works, we've certainly seen that recently in the movie "spotlight" we do gain credibility bus no one puts as much into checking out the truth as a newspaper does. >> that's right. >> i love that shout out for "spotlight." we'll talk about that movie later in the hour. thanks for being here. this is a greateth fors' round table. >> thank you. >> yes, hear from the director of "spotlight" in a few minutes. plus, why one cable news channel has made one ever its stars disappear. my new reporting on how she's fighting back after this.
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what i'm about to tell you sounds like fiction. crowds of people all across the country standing up and cheering for reporters. yes, reporters. really. it's happening. for the new movie "spotlight" which have been heralded as the best movie about journalism since "all the president's men." tonight it's up for six oscars, including the prize for best pictu picture. >> reporter: everyone knows the sorry state of the news business. the internet taking over and thousands of jobs lost along the way. overall trust in media is at record lows. >> they are di gusting. >> with few signs it will improve anytime soon. >> it's been such a shame what happened to
movie about it is on the verge of winning a oscar for best picture. >> this was a story that confronted us really. >> when you say the truth may never be known, that should be a red flag to journalists, to go after something and really find out what the truth is. >> the resulting investigation rocked the vatican to its core. now spotlight is shining a light on the ways journalism can truly help people. >> since the movie "spotlight" came out, many more survivors
have come out. nothing in the past has done what spotlight has done to bring out of darkness the issue of priest abuse, cover-ups and the ongoing secrecy that still exists today to protect the good name of the church. >> in other words there's still more investigation to be done. >> everythinger everybody knew what was going on and nobody did anything. >> some comparing michael keaton and rachel mcadams to dustin hoffman and robert red ford from "all the presidents men." >> there's no way the white house can control the investigation. >> the makers of "spotlight" say they want the message to resonate with the general public as well. >> not just a shot in the arm to journalists but to all citizens, good journalism is an essential element of our democracy. we have to do what we can to protect it. >> this weekend, i spoke with
all six of the real-life reporters portrayed in the movie. all six are waking up in hollywood for tonight's award show. >> to cnnmoney.com/media to learn more. what will chris rock say on stage about the diversity questions that have dominated this awards season? he hasn't commented yet. it's saving it all for tonight in prime time. melissa perry sends a stunning e-mail saying i'm not a token, mammie or little brown bobblehead. now what? i just heard back from her and will have an update after this. hold-onto-your-tiara, kind-of-day. live 24/7 with 24/7 digestive support. try align, the undisputed #1 ge recommended probiotic. most new wealth flows it's called a rigged economy, and this is how
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something strange is happening over at msnbc. it involves melissa harris perry and her weekend show, one of a kind and at times controversial talk show has been in tv pe pergatory and as of this morning is officially canceled. i'm a direct time slot competitor of hers and have a benefit in this. love it or hate it, she booked people who otherwise weren't seen on tv. in some ways she symbolized the obama era of msnbc. that era is ending. for months she has felt like her show was being squeezed and slowly canceled. as more and more people started to notice she disappeared, msnbc
wanted to put her show back on but she said no, she would not come back to work. the purpose for this decision seems to be provide cover for msnbc not to provide voice for my show. i will not be used as a tool for their purposes. i'm not a token, ma am my or little brown bobblehead. i am not owned by msnbc. that is a scorching statement. i've never seen anything like it. it has led to her exit. she confirmed to me in a text message that severance negotiations are under way bichlt marginalizing her, the channel is taking a risk. outpouring of sport for her on line. some people complaining back and hispanic hosts have been disproportionately affected by these changes. all the changes carry a potential perception risk that msnbc is diminishing the contributions of its minority personalities. more to come on this story.
i'll be covering it on c cnnmoney.com. that's all for this edition of "reliable sources." sign up for cnnmoney.com to receive our newsletter. i'll see you next week. "state of the union" starts now. campaign chaos. inside the republican party struggle. >> for the party of lincoln and reagan is on the verbal of being taken over by a con artist, donald trump. >> with trump poised to win big again on super tuesday, can anyone stop him? >> part of it is anger, and part of it is you're tired of the politicians. you're tired of guys like little rubio who, you know, little mouthpiece goes, like, a mile a minute. >> donald trump will be here next. and ted cruz. >> this is my country, damn it!