tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN March 1, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm PST
and super tuesday is under way. are there any surprises afoot? "the lead" starts right now. good afternoon, welcome to a very special edition of "the lead" i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c. truly a super tuesday, biggest day of the presidential race. with the most at take for the candidates, one-quarter of all delegates are on the table today. when the polls close in a few hours, we may find out if the battle for the white house is effectively down it a race between donald trump and hillary clinton, or if the rest of the field can take enough delegates to stay in the game and keep it competitive. for the republicans today, 11 states vote with 595 delegates
at stake. almost 600. senator ted cruz is in his home state of texas. that's a must-win for him. marco rubio, who has yet to win a single state, needs a strong showing tonight to prove that he is viable and has a path. but a supremely confident donald trump is turning his focus to the general election, saving his harshest attacks for hillary clinton today. >> hillary clinton -- hillary clinton does not have the strength or the stamina to become president. >> looking at live pictures now with donald trump rally in louisville, kentucky. kentucky, that's a commonwealth that does not vote today. they vote saturday. trump feeling so confident, he's not in any super tuesday state today. our correspondents are covering the story from all the angles on the campaign trail and polling
places throughout the nation. we're going to begin with chris frates traveling with donald trump in louisville, kentucky. chris, trump has three events today, none in the super tuesday state that obviously says something about how he's feeling. >> reporter: absolutely. how confident he is about tonight's results. remember he started in ohio. ohio doesn't vote until march 15th, then coming here to louisville, kentucky, not on the calendar until sunday. he's looking ahead to future contests and you can start to hear people getting excited here at -- he's taking on a number of folks here. you can hear the crowd getting very excited. they lined up around the block to hear from donald trump today, standing in the rain. they're getting very excited to hear from him next, jake. >> all right. chris freights in louisville with mr. trump. ted cruz fighting to hold off donald trump in texas and prevent a trump sweep. he's just cast his ballot a few
hours ago with his family. cruz admits, it will be all she wrote if he loses the lone star state. >> i believe we're going to do have very, very well in texas. it's up to texas to make their decision. there's no doubt any candidate who cannot win his home state has real problems. i believe we will do well here in texas. >> sunlen serfaty is live for us at cruz campaign headquarters in houston. how confident is cruz that texas will go his way? >> reporter: well, he's very confident, jake. the cruz campaign is predicting in texas they will have a good night tonight but aware, of course, of the stakes. if he loses here in his home state of texas, that would essentially cut off his path forward to the nomination. that's why we've seen in final hours and final days here in texas, really senator cruz leaving absolutely nothing to chance. he has been campaigning incredibly hard in his home state. he's in the state 4 out of the last 7 days, holding a flurry of
events and rolling out a series of texas endorsement, the campaign also deployed 27,000 volunteers. certainly they are leaving absolutely nothing to chance in this sort of flurry of last-minute campaigning speaking to high pressure, the position that ted cruz is in tonight in his home state to really perform. >> his comments are really aimed at marco rubio. cruz's comments about needing to win your home state. marco rubio polling behind donald trump in florida right now. rubio spent the day campaigning in minnesota. he said the state's experience with another tough-talking celebrity is al of the proof needed to vote against donald trump. >> jesse ventura was an embarrassment. let rephrase na. jesse ventura is an embarra embarrassment. donald trump will be an embarrassment to america, to anyone who supported him. this can't happen. if anybody knows that it's
minnesota, because of experience you have. >> manu joins us. rubio has yet to win a state in the race. does the campaign believe that minnesota can turn that around? >> reporter: they certainly hope so. but they're certain le not predicting a victory in minnesota. marco rubio talked to reporters after that and hopes to do reasonably well there. that state's hard to poll because it's a caucus state. we don't quite know how many voters will show up there and donald trump, if he does bring out, this influx of new voters perhaps he can win. minnesota, not a state where campaigns have spent much money at all. it's up in the air how that will turn out. you're the rubio's campaign perspective, they want to pull in delegates, enough support from states like arkansas, georgia, tennessee. pass that threshold in order to pull some delegate support, some delegates to take and point to supporters to stick with them until what they view is a very
big prize, march 15th, in the sunshine state, winner take all state, they know they have to win, increasingly the focus after tonight. >> joining us now for our panel, chief national correspondent and host of "inside politics" john king, chief political analyst, gloria borger, senior political analyst, david gergen, senior political reporter, nia-malika henderson. bakari sellers, bill press. and making her debut, newest edition, mary katharine hamm. welcome to all of you. your debut here. very excited. >> glad to be here. >> new to the family today as well. let me start with you. if donald trump, as polls suggest, cleans up today, is that it? >> it will not be it, but let me say this is the story. talking about which things he
might not win. this is a margins conversation that we're having and it's going to have to go deeper to delegates and percentages and rubio and cruz have going to have make those arguments. this guy won a bunch of states and you're making the argument here and there i made some moves. texas is cruz's home state tonight. rubio's looking at his like, i'm coming home, baby. but if he doesn't win in florida we've got real problems. >> let me ask about rubio. some point this becomes a math problem for senator rubio and it's a war not against donald trump but just against reality. is there a path for him? >> at this point, before tonight, possibly a path. i think if you see the new terminator rubio, instead of robot rubio who won a bunch of news cycles does not also win some states. that tells us something. >> kayla, any chance in anything donald trump is doing to rile up the crowds and draw so many
supporters to his rallies, to the polls, to vote for him in the republican primary that he might be doing things that might hurt him in november? >> i don't think so. donald trump has engendered a lot of enthusiasm among the republican base, not just the republican base. let's be real, he's winning independents, those leaning democrat expanding the party. he's bringing in people angry at the federal government. he's winning electorates as diverse as new hampshire to nevada, all the way to south carolina. not just winning them, sweeping them, winning every single delegate in south carolina. when you're winning northeast eastern states as southern staidth states that should be a big indicator this is someone to be taken seriously, and he's captured the feeling in the republican party. >> potentially winning in alabama and massachusetts today. nia-malika, the rules that the republican national committee set up were designed at the time we all thought to help a scott walker. >> right. >> or a jeb bush. >> or marco rubio.
>> or marco rubio. >> they were designed to prevent what we saw in 2012, which was the long fight with mitt romney having to go to the right and santorum being able to hold on. they compressed the calendar, wanted to turbo charge the front-runner. they didn't expect it would be donald trump. they wanted to have an establishment figure break through. again, they didn't expect that the sort of establishment figure, i mean, even donald trump is saying he's going mainstream, and it looks like he is, you know, starting to be the mainstream candidate. you mentioned that he's winning, he won in south carolina, he won in new hampshire, he's going to win in the daep soueep south. we haven't seen that strong candidate in many years. think about john mccain he did well in big states, he didn't win in the south, same with mitt romney but looks like donald trump is able to do that. >> bill press, you're a supporter of bernie sanders. how worried should democrats be about donald trump? >> i think they ought to be damned worried about donald
trump. i see a lot of articles today democrats are saying, oh, we can't wait to run against donald trump. we're going to take everything, sweep the board, it's going to be an easy thing. they are dead wrong. i think donald trump could very well appeal to blue collar democrats, his message of anti-establishment, anti-media, anti-washington, resonates and so i think they better be very, very concerned. >> yes. lighthearted comments in "the new york times" story, you're referring to, robby mook saying i've got to get me some trump. a joke to some people. let me ask you about ted cruz, he hopes that he wins in texas, but it's not a sure thing, is it? >> it's not a sure thing. even if he wins, if trump comes in close second they'll roughly share the delegates. this is ted cruz, a cliche, his alamo, he needs to win. all of the candidates who project themselves as al tern ittii ittii alternative to trump needs to win their home state. cruz is a diminished candidate.
he thought south carolina would be his. tonight a lot of states evangelicals voting. he looked at what happened to the tea party in 2010, the tea party in 2014, tea party voters and evangelical voters and said here's my path to the nomination and donald trump has stolen his toys, if you will. you heard he spent 4 of the last 7 days in texas defending his home turf instead of trying to expand and win other states. tells you everything you need to know, if he wins he will be able to stand up and say i'm the only guy who has beaten trump twice. does it give him a clear path to the nomination, absolutely not. >> hillary clinton, obviously, hoping for a big night, hoping to run the table the way that donald trump is hoping to run the table? >> yeah, she is. and you know, she's hoping at a certain point she can turn and pivot, which by the way, she's started to do, and pivot to talking about donald trump and talking about the republicans. and i think you know, they understand that, for example, in the state of vermont, they're not going to win vermont, but
they think they're going to have a strong showing in the south which i believe they probably will. so that won't be a surprise. i think the question that john raises about cruz is really important here, because this was supposed to be his fire wall. and we will see whether the south and texas really is. if it isn't, i think it's a problem. >> i didn't get to everybody but i'll take a quick break. promise i'll get to you when we come back. next, top republicans in the house and senate weigh in on donald trump's latest controversy. will that only help donald trump? and, marco rubio has yet to win a single state, if he comes up empty tonight he will be 0 for 15. can he go on? plus, hillary clinton talk about donald trump more than bernie sanders these days. stay with us. we'll be right back.
welcome back to our special super tuesday edition of "the lead." the biggest voting day of the campaign. live pictures right now of donald trump speaking to supporters in kentucky, a state that won't even vote until saturday, trump's coming under fire from the two top republicans in congress today for not disavowing the support
of david duke in an interview with me on sunday. >> if a person wants to be the fom nominee of the republican party he must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. >> let me make it perfectly clear, senator republicans condemn david duke, the kkk, and his racism. >> trump again today trying to undo some damage from sunday's remarks. >> david duke disavowed, i disavowed him on friday, right after that because i thought if there was any question, you take a look at twitter, almost immediately after on twitter facebook they were disavowed again. >> prepared to make a clear statement renountsing the support of all white supremac t
supremacists. >> of course i am. >> texas is the biggest prize of the night. 155 delegates. ed, are voters talking about trump's comments about david duke or focused on other things going on, his comments about jobs, trade, tell us what they're saying. >> reporter: you know, it interesting, we've been talking to a lot of voters as they've come to the location in allen, texas. it's not something people bring up on their own but we've asked a number throughout the day and what we've found is a mixed bag. one woman, a trump supporter, until she heard that interview with you and changed her vote to marco rubio. several other people who voted for either ted cruz or marco rubio saying they found trump, in the words of one person, to be a scary candidate, someone who was disgusting, bringing disgusting rhetoric to the campaign. that's what we heard on one side. we heard from a number of trump supporters throughout the day when we asked about the comments and controversy, many shrugged it off, saying it was something
they were willing to look past because they felt that donald trump was the best candidate to change things up in washington and despite those comments that might have worried some of them, they say they were willing to look past it and still vote for donald trump. >> ed lavandera, thanks so much. mike duhaime, republican strategist fresh from the garden state. david gergen, let me start with you. have you ever seening in like this where the leaders of the party on capitol hill both go out the same day and basically distance themselves from the nominee of their own potential -- potential nominee of their own party. >> i can't remember. the only possible comparison would be way back in 1976 when reagan was seen as the outsider, took on president ford and there was a lot of unrest in capitol hill about that. of course, i think the leaders were right to do what they did today to separate out, send a message to trump, they're not
going to be just manipulated by him if he makes a mistake, he's going to have to pay a price. it will cause him to be more careful next time because he clearly blew it. all of the talk, we're going to distance ourselves from trump generally, they've got to be careful in the leadership they don't look like they're dismissing trump voters. voters are really important to them. if they look like they're dismissing them as sort of you're second class, we don't want you in our party, they going to miss an opportunity to build a party. >> and bakari, you're in the state of south carolina, racial politics are known to occur from time to time. how seriously do you take the threat of donald trump if he is the republican nominee, and how much do you think the clinton people will just be able to easily caricature him as a racist and that will be the end of the election? >> i think we have to take donald trump seriously because how many blue collar workers that bill was talking about earlier are coming out to the
polls. just yesterday i saw the current lieutenant governor and former lieutenant governor of south carolina state they stand behind donald trump. he disavowed comments, blah, blah, blah. i think democrats are looking forward to having donald trump on the ballot because he is such a tool to energize the democratic base. you're going to have hispanic voters, african-american voters come out in droves to beat back on the hate, vitriol and bigotry donald trump espoused. i think it's dishonest to say donald trump doesn't know what he's doing. i think he knew what he was doing on your show, talking to a base of voters voting on super tuesday and he didn't want to discount those voters and also he didn't want to keep those voters from, you know, just repudiating him. >> i want to bring in mike, you're in an interesting spot, a man you advise or have advised in the past, governor chris christie endorsed donald trump but also a republican strategist
in new jersey, a state that has a lot of moderate republicans, and you need them to turn out to the polls. what do you make of all of this? >> i think donald trump is going to have to bring the party together after this. this is part of. i think that's incumbent upon the winner if he does as well as we expect him to do tonight, it going to be incumbent upon him. at the end of the day if donald trumps a nominee, it's up to him to reach out to marco rubio, ted cruz, everyone, jeb bush, everybody who lost, and bring them together. right now i think the party's divided right now, moer so than in previous primaries. we always see divisions, it more vitriolic than we've seen. heat going to have to bring the party together and reach out independents. i think dismissing them would be wrong. he's an x-factor. he's very much an x-factor. >> i think that's true, bring a lot of states in play that weren't in play, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan. kayly, go. you're a trump supporter. disagree with bakari. >> a notion that donald trump is
using this as a strategy, i find to be an insulting concept. what you're saying is that embracing the kkk, somehow plays well in the south. that's dismissing an entire region of the country. the kkk is a small, small minority, a terrorist organization that most people in the south, overwhelming majority dismiss out of hand. >> what do you make of his answer on sunday? >> i think it was a mistake. i think he stumbles. he mentions the earpiece. i don't think he's a liar. i know he has dismissed the kkk five times in 2,000 he called duke a racist, a bigot, a problem. what this boils down to do you in your heart of heart believes donald trumps a racist? the answer is know. he's lived on the earth 69 years if he was a racist we'd have far more interviews. >> we have to take a quick break. marco rubio racking up big endorsements but can he win a single state tonight?
hopes to run strong today. what are you hearing from voters turning out? >> reporter: jake, depending on the candidate who they're supporting, voters are differenting us driving reasons for being here. hillary clinton supporters are here because she's a steady hand, they value her experience. donald trump supporters say they want change, they value maybe the businessman's experience in the white house. but it's marco rubio's supporters who give the most interesting reasons. one, they like his moderate brand of republican politics which scores well in this area of well educated voters and some are saying it purely anti-trump vote. they want to stop trump's momentum here in virginia, in northern virginia especially, and it's going to be a telling thing, jake, if they can do it in this district in the dominion trails district where we are and also the surrounding districts in louden, fairfax, arlington counties. voters checking in for possibly a last surge before the polls
close at 7:00 p.m. first-time voters a lot are skewing towards marco rubio. he does well in that segment. and fully one-third of those who we sampled are first-time primary voters. is it enough to carry him to possible upset victory tonight or maybe score some of the badly needed delegates? donald trump has a solid lead but marco rubio does tend to close out well in these states. >> tom coburn of oklahoma endorsed marco rubio and he joins me from tulsa. senator, thanks so much for joining us. good to see you again. >> good to see you. thanks for your good journalism on the misquote by donald trump. >> thank you so much. so, senator rubio, to be frank, is not favored to win any states today, which would make him 0 and 15. if that happens, and i know you're rooting for it not to happen, but if that is the conclusion of this evening,
doesn't the math become impossible for him? >> oh, you know, i don't think you can say that until march 15th. first of all, 0 for 15, we'll see, nobody knows the answer to that yet. and it may be, you know, this is hard. and that's what makes politics in america so great, you have this great confluent of different people in each party trying to sell a product. and quite frankly, donald trump's case, he sold a product that nobody's questioned the details or the guarantee or the warranty. so it's -- there's no question, everybody, it going to be a hard time to climb against donald trump. but the more that comes out, the more critical -- and i don't mean critical in the sense -- i'm talking about specific questions asked of him on policy, which he's not answer any jake. there's not one direct answer to any policy question what there has been a lot of bloviating and
that excites people. he's an entertainer. >> right. you served in the senate with both senator rubio and senator cruz. you were a strong opponent of senator rubio's gang of eight immigration bill. why endorse rubio and not cruz? >> a couple of things. one is rubio has the ability to work better with people. i think. number two, he's much more attractive as a candidate to the female vote in this country. number three, rubio -- look, everybody that's ever worked in the senate's made mistakes, i guess maybe ted hadn't but everybody else has. i applauded his effort to try to solve the problem. i didn't agree with it, and i voted against it. and i spoke against it. but that doesn't mean it wasn't worth trying. i think he learned his lesson. this country's only going to accept immigration policy once they know our borders are secure. i don't care which side it is, they're never going to get votes
unless they secure a border first. >> harsh words about donald trump. you said he's perpetuating a fraud on the american people. empty promises will only deepen the frustration and disillusionment that gave rise to his campaign. he lacks character skills and policy knowledge to turn his grandiose promise into reality. >> i want to hear answers, jake. i want guys like you to get answers what happen are specifics you're saying? every other candidate's given specifics and the press has allowed donald trump not to answer questions. so what we need to hear, you know, people -- there's no question, people in this country are totally upset with the federal government. and they have every reason to be. but what they've heard is a great sales pitch with no details. and all i'm saying is, you know, depends on what his answers are to the critical questions. if there's no answers on general
election, he's going to lose. the reason i'm backing marco rubio is because he has the best chance to continue great leadership in this country. >> senator tom coburn of oklahoma, thanks for joining us. good to see you, as always. >> good to see you, jake. super tuesday panel is back with me now. kayleigh, bloviating, no specifics, you will grant senator coburn that donald trump could provide a few more details into his policy plans, yes? >> no, it's not about that. we just heard the senator, with all due respect, say donald trump is perpetuating a fraud on the american people. the gop establishment perpetuated a fraud on the gop voting base. they voted for $1.3 trillion in new spending in january. essentially sealed the way for the iran deal. they have not defunded planned parenthood. they promised one thing, got into office, they did something else. the frustration we see, ground swell of support is because of things like the senator is
saying. it's really not about the details. we have a president who has all of the details mapped but still have a country that's really hurting and really frustrated. >> mary katharine, some republicans, coburn not during this interview but previously, senator ben sass, republican, talking about possibly voting for a third party candidate if donald trump gets the nomination. do you think that's a reality? is that really going to happen? >> a lot of people are upset and it's not just about being the establishment being upset, it about voters among cruz and rubio and kasich, to some extent and carson, saying i understand the frustration and a completely disagree with the prescription being donald trump partly because there aren't a lot of specifics when you push them on health care, partly his ideology's not clear and they don't know if they can trust him, when asked to denounce david duke and the kkk, it's easy and he can't do it. that's a problem for the party. >> what do you make of the
schi schism? it seems most republicans will rally behind the nominee. primary contests can be bruising. this one is particularly bruising. >> yeah, it is bruising, to have mitch mcconnell come out, paul ryan come out, the ex-chair of the rnc to denounce him. if donald trump is the nominee, what would it look like to have the establishment of the party kind of turn their back on the opportunity to perhaps win the white house? i mean, just ledge governmentically what that looks like at a convention, people giving speeches, people are -- >> giving money. >> exactly. it hard to see what that looks like. but that's certainly a threat. i think the republican straeb s establishment is making. >> do you think a lot of republican senators will not go to the convention in ohio? >> it's a possibility. marco rubio saying he has small hands, donald trump will have a hard time with marco rubio at his convention. look, people will calm down. a lot of this was discussed
earlier, a lot of this will be on donald trump. if you're the nominee and you're the winner, even if you have legitimate grievances against the people you ran against, it's your job to be big. speaker ryan, strong words, he gets the gavel at the convention. what does he do if donald trump is the nominee? the customer's always right. if republican voters say this is our nominee, how does the republican leadership run away from that? the republican leadership has been fighting their own baz. tea party surprised them. mitch mcconnell said he would snuff the tea party out. but you've had people in an argument with their own base, their own voters, going on five years, six years now. if trump wins, that's a message to the leadership and they better get it. >> you have republican senators up for re-election in blue states and i was talking to somebody yesterday involved in the senate campaigns and he said to me, it's going to be each man
for himself. do what you have to do because we don't want to lose control of the senate and that is clearly their worry with donald trump as a nominee. also their worry ted cruz become the nominee. but they're quietly saying to people, do what you have to do. >> hold on, we'll take a very, very quick break. next, hillary clinton turning her fire from bernie sanders to donald trump. does she think it's coming down to clinton versus trump? we'll ask our next guest. clinton campaign chairman, john podesta. bernie sanders saying it comes down to one thing. >> i'm confident that if there is a large voter turnout today across the country, we are going to do well.
most critical day of the election, super tuesday, millions of americans casting votes. for democrats 12 contests under way. hillary clinton is hoping to run away with most delegates after a pair of victories in nevada and south carolina. but bernie sanders is not about to quit. he's insisting he's in in until the convention. brianna keilar at sanders headquarters in vermont where there's another contest today. is it the same sense you're getting from the campaign he's in it until july? >> reporter: i think publicly that's what we're hearing, jake. but what they're trying to project is that nothing's going to knock bernie sanders out tonight and that he's trying to push forward past super tuesday. i think the sanders campaign is being realistic about his prospects today, and they're setting up the expectation that a performance for him that would be a good performance doesn't have to be as good as what a good performance would be for hillary clinton.
so realistic about the fact that the polls show she's ahead in more of the super tuesday states than he is. looking towards the 5th and the th and looking towards march 15th. they think that they're going to have better luck here beyond super tuesday. and, yes, pubic will bernie sanders says this is going to the convention. assessing the campaign in weeks as we go forward here what he does have is a lot of money $42 million last month. he has been burning through a lot on ads but that's a lot of money including $6 million yesterday which is about what he pulled in the day after he won new hampshire. he certainly does have money to keep going. >> brianna keilar in vermont, clearly with me now, live, john podesta, chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. i want to ask you about these comments from the sanders campaign that they're in it until convention, no matter what. what do you make of that?
>> look, what we're focused on is winning delegates we need to secure the nomination. we'll have a super night on super tuesday and rack up a strong delegate performance and a big lead with pledge delegates. that's our focus. senator sanders says offered a spirited challenge, we knew that. we're out there making our case that hillary clinton is the candidate that can tear down barriers that are holding people back. so far that's being well received. >> clinton's talking about donald trump on the stump these days, more so than bernie sanders in some speeches. accordings to "the new york times," last summer clinton's campaign manager joked, shhh, i've got to get me some trump listening to the debate. does the clinton campaign take trump seriously enough, you think? >> we've always taken donald trump seriously. hillary clinton was the first campaign to call him out for the bigotry and the bullying that he was doing last summer. but right now we're focused on
winning the nomination. i want to correct one thing you said. we're looking to win delegates, to compete in these states. we're in a fight with sanders. we'll turn to the general election when appropriate and at that time. but right now i think her campaign contrasting a campaign of inclusion of tearing down barriers, whether it's rigged economy or institutional racism against his campaign or bigotry will shape up well into the fall. but the republicans, first, have to pick their nominee and, first, we have to win the number nation. you know, a lot left to go in these contests to win the delegates to be the nominee. >> john, according to the sunlight foundation and intercept you're hosting a fund-raiser for secretary clinton in washington, along with several lobbyists who work for firms that lobby on behalf of goldman sachs, nra. isn't this the fund-raiser the kind of thing that drives supporters to bernie sanders? >> look, i think we're trying to
raise the resources that are necessary with respect to her positions. for example, there's no one stronger, louder, in taking on the gun lobby than hillary clinton. she has a record in sharp contrast to senator sanders who voted five times against the brady bill. he shifted, to some extent, we welcome that, in the course of this campaign. but she's going to take on the gun lobby, take on wall street with comprehensive plan. >> aren't you afraid that it undermines her pitch on wall street and the gun lobby when she takes money from federal lobbyists who lobby on behalf of wall street and the gun lobby? >> i understand your reference to the gun lobbies, the person no longer does that, that's a good thing for the country because we need to beat back the gun lobby. i think what's important is that she can stand up as she always
has to special interests, to the people who are taking our country in the wrong direction, and she'll do that. but as you know, there's a lot of money coming at us from the other side and we're going to raise resources that we need to raise to compete both in these primaries and then if we're -- if we become the nominee, as i think we will, in the general election. super pacs are already advertising against her and they have been since iowa. and we're going to raise money that we need to compete. john podesta, chairman for the clinton campaign, thanks so much. good luck today. minutes away from the first exit polls that we can report, a major sign of what we can expect tonight. stay with us.
welcome back to a special edition of "the lead." two hours away from when polls start to close for super tuesday. closing thoughts from our illustrious panel. david, give us historical perspective on what might happen this evening. >> started asking if we were going to see surprises and most of us think probably not. i think we may see history.
this could be the first time in american history that a woman virtually wraps up the nomination of a major political party in this country. 200 years, first woman, and this is a night when she can virtually wrap it up. on the other side first time in american history that a total renegade is about to wrap up the nomination of the opposing party. really important stuff there that is pretty interesting. i guess we'll see if it happens. >> we'll see if it happens. >> we're all thinking it might. bill, to you, what do you think? what do you make of john podesta's response when i asked about the lobbyists giving money in the fund-raiser for the clinton campaign? >> for the clinton campaign to go after goldman sack lobbyists, and think there's nothing wrong with that, it's a tin ear. i think it's a problem with the money she's raising, goldman sac sachs, speeches, transcripts, continued interrupting the campaign, the chair, to raise money from lobbyists as opposed
to bernie raising money from grassroots. i respond to david, the surprise tonight is hillary's not going to be crowns the nominee of the democratic party. i mean i've got to say that. i feel super optimistic. number one, he's got all of the money. >> yeah. >> he is -- this is not the end of the road for bernie. he does not have to win necessarily all of states but he'll definitely win vermont. look at minnesota, colorado, maybe even massachusetts. >> we'll see what happens. >> i want to give bakari -- >> not the end of the road. >> fair enough. results have not come in yet. bakari, what did you make of mr. podesta? >> i thought he was honest and accurate. bernie sanders raised $42 million lasten month. not only does they have that amount he's bringing in daily, $6 million yesterday, but he has republican pacs prompting him up, fortune 45, karl rove pacs are running ads targeted against hillary clinton. she has a full frontal assault coming towards her and senator
sanders hasn't repudiated those super pac but tonight is an important night. hillary clinton is able to chip away at bernie sanders victory states like massachusetts, colorado, minnesota, it's a very, very hard road for bernie sanders. and i look forward to hillary clinton having a good night. >> a lot to digest. thank you one and all for being here. welcome to you, our newest, mary katharine, debut on the show. moments away from reporting the first exit polls. and just two hours from when the polls actually start to close. don't go away. we'll be right back.
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