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of the establishment standing with donald trump while you have so many money people who supported chris christie trying to take down donald trump. >> and chris christie getting a lot of blowback for his endorsement in donald trump back in his home state. >> six newspapers got together en masse and wrote an editorial condemning kris chris christie saying he should resign because of this endorsement of donald trump. he's getting a lot of blowback from his home state, which he would argue they're all liberal newspapers. that aside, it's the people that supported him, financed his campaign who are trying to take down donald trump, the man he was standing behind. >> we have heard from donald trump, we have heard from ted cruz. we have not yet heard from marco rubio. just a few minutes ago, i did sit down and talk to him. senator marco rubio joins me live from miami. senator, thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, jake.
>> so not a great night for you. the past week ooyou've been relentless i hammering donald trump. he wouldn't state after state after state. is it possible your quarrel is not so much with donald trump as it is with -- >> no, i think you're mischaracterizing the night. look at virginia. i was trailing by 20 points in the latest poll. we're down to maybe a two or three-point race there and we're going to leave with almost as many delegates as he has. tonight was supposed to be ted cruz's night. he'll walk away with his home state and his neighboring state in oklahoma where he also won't get all the delegates. it important to understand this is a very unique election. donald trump is not someone that the republican support is going to come after me and say we need everyone out of the race, let's rally and the front-runner. the fight is to save the
republican party, the party of lincoln and reagan, from someone who is not just a con artist bu refuses to criticize the kkk, someone who shares hillary's position on planned parenthood, who says he going to be neutral on iran, supports government sponsored health care. this is a fight for the heart and soul of the republican party. i will go through all 50 states before we stop fighting to save the country from someone like that. >> ted cruz has won three total and meanwhile donald trump keeps winning contest after contest. what is your argument that you actually have a viable path to the nomination? >> well, first of all, i honestly and continue to believe we see it that there is no path for donald trump to get to 1,237 delegates. every race that he can't do it, fee falls further and further
behind being able to make that objective. you're going to see us win contests but especially in the winner take all states. the terrain gets better for us. troouz w ted cruz was supposed to have that southern fire wall. tonight was not supposed to be my night. it was supposed to be ted cruz's big night. we never said we would win on super tuesday and we would close out our campaign. we've been prepared for an extended hall. it states that are going to come, that's where we're really going to catch fire. just in the last week, the people coming on board and signing up on our web site, marco rubio.com, it's just exploded exploded. >> there are reports that your governor, a republican, rick scott, is going to endorse
donald trump this evening. what do you say to that? >> well, look, i have a lot of respect for governor scott. i would love to have him on our team. i don't know if those reports are true. i don't think they are, at least as of tonight. you know, so we would love to have his support. but i think presidential races to be honest, i think rick scott would be a great endorsement for anyone. but presidential races are not decided just on that. look what we did in vafirginia. we were trailing by 25 points in polls just a week ago. had it been a narrower field, we would have won virginia. we have virtually as many delegates in virginia as he has. this is five days after pointing out this man is a con artist, who is taking advantage of the unrest in this country. he's pretending he's some sort of man of the people. i hear him talk about immigration. he used illegal immigrants to
build the trump towers. look at trump university where he fraudulently induced people to sign up for the program. he's doing the same thing for voters. >> senator, you keep saying that and he keeps winning states and you're talking about virginia and that's another state that donald trump won. i'm wondering if there's a certain amount of denial that you're in about this race. >> no, jake. we're in the winner-take-all phase of this. you know this is about delegate count. you know in a usual race you'd have a front-runner and people would be saying you need to drop out and rally around the front-runner. what people are saying is fight as hard as you can to save the party of lincoln and reagan from a con artist who refuses to criticize the kkk. if we not name donald trump as our nominee of the republican party, it will be the end of the modern republican party, hillary clinton will smoke him in a general election and the next
four years are going to be no different than the last state for our country. i will fight as long and as hard as it takes to save this country and the conservative movement from someone like donald trump. >> senator marco rubio, thank you so much, sir. >> thanks, jake. >> call it determination, call it denial, senator marco rubio, anderson. >> fascinating discussion. we're joined now by kevin madden, bakari sellers. we haven't seen you in a while. what do you make of marco rubio saying he's in it and he thinks there's a path forward. >> an old saying is campaigns never run out of ideas or reasons to run, they run out of money. the path now i think gets narrow and narrower on the idea of beating trump outright. that was plan a. plan b, when you talk to the rubio folks, they'll tell you
they're in this all the way until the end. they believe in a contested convention, they could be in a position to unite the party and win in a contested convention. what is something they're going to have to really start selling. >> here as one question that rubio supporters and ruben has has to ask. not only is he in trouble as a presidential candidate, but given the polling in florida, he wouldn't probably be a good vice presidential candidate. so that's a big time problem for hima him. i think this is a scenario where the donors may lead the party because marco rubio at this point objectively speaking, someone who likes him as a candidate, is not a good investment. >> he also had a tough sell tonight even when jake was speaking to him in trying to antagonize ted cruz. the big winner tonight is ted cruz. he won his home state, he won oklahoma --
>> it seems like the really big winner is donald trump. >> well, yeah but -- even lindsay graham has come out and said as much as he despises ted cruz, even he would have to rally around ted cruz to stop trump. >> lindsay graham said that? >> believe it or not, i heard exactly something else from lindsey graham. >> i'm sure you have. that just goes to show the winner tonight is ted cruz. marco rubio can fain and attempt to say and he's spun all of these losses very well over the past month and a half. i think people are tired of him spinning his ills. he can't do it any longer. >> can i just say donald trump was completely dominant tonight, completely, utterly, indisput indisputedly dominant. >> if he's watching. >> i'm sure he's watching. >> in ted cruz's speech tonight, he basically said everybody else needs to quit.
he said we ought to prayerfully consider coming together as a party, which means everybody else ought to get out except for me. and you just heard marco rubio talk to jake tapper. so where you are now is donald trump up here and everybody else fighting some kind of guerrilla warfare and talking about -- you called it the unicorn theory, it is a theory that the rubio campaign is now talking about openly with donors and with people like me and thinking that even if they can't win, they can go to a convention and effectively disenfranchise everybody who's voted. >> it like moving the goalpost. first he's going to win new hampshire, then south carolina and then we'll do something on super tuesday. now it's the brokered convention. he can't move the goalpost any more. that is the last thing. if anybody thinks the conservatives are going to wait that long to win, there's not
that patience there. >> it may be the best of bad choices from the standpoint of the party regulars, but the notion of a brokered convention where you ignore the candidate who got the most delegates and choose someone else seems to me like a prescription for suicide. >> disaster. >> suicide. if you did that, i mean, the last convention that we had that was even remotely close to this was one i was at in 1976 with gerald ford and ronald reagan. that was a battle right there on the floor of the convention. gerald ford, although he was busy and i question inviting delegates to dinner with the queen of england, you know, from kansas -- >> jeffrey, let it go, that was like 40 years ago. >> i just -- it was decided amicably. everybody went off and if not happy went to fight another day. if what we're talking about -- i mean, this would be
inconceivable. >> and then come up with like paul ryan or something? i don't see how do you that. >> the main ingredient for getting to a brokered convention is you have to win some state and deliver some numbers and marco rubio has not. he is the master of pretending to be what he's not, right? he's -- he talks about his inaugural address when he comes in third. >> bill, what they -- as they say, as the minnesota caucuses go, so goes the nation. >> i forgot that. i'm sorry. >> we can't overstate the importance of this never trump movement that is starting. this is part of the ted cruz story that eventually everyone coalesce around someone. i think he would have preferred that they coalesce affirmatively around his candidacy instead of a mechanism to stop trump. there's a lot of time to build on that. just in the last week the comments about the kkk have happened that give people a lot of pause. i mean, there's discussions that i'm having with friends not only
with donald trump set the conservative movement, the republican party back decades, but possibly the country with what you're seeing these fights that we're having on camera. this is negative and we want to stop it. >> but i hear the never trump movement and all of those things but do you know one things that's greater than all of those things right now? donald trump voters. when you talk about a brokered convention and as much as this pains me to say because i am not the biggest donald trump fan as you can possibly tell -- >> no way. >> no, it was hard. but can you not just say and push aside all of these millions of voters who have come out and he's won. i said this earlier today -- >> stood in line. >> and the question was, we had this question about his ceiling, we had these artificial ceilings, 25%, 30% and could he get people to the polls. donald trump has proven he is a
winner. until somebody proves him wrong, this theory about a brokered convention or paul ryan or mitt romney, god bless mitt romney, none it have is going to work. >> the big challenge, two weeks is not a lot of time when donald trump has spent the last eight months digging in and his support has calcified. so many of these supporters, they're invested in seeing him win. the idea that we can change the fundamentals of the race i think in two weeks is very, very hard. but, i mean, when you talk to the cruz folks and you talk to the rubio folks, they are not going to give up. they are going to -- they keep using terms like "long slog, the long journey to the nomination." do not underestimate, to amanda's point, just how strongly these folks feel, that this is what you could be potentially witnessing if you don't fight this is the destruction of the modern republican party but the more the elite dig in, the more the voters who support donald trump will say what are you doing? what are you doing?
this is our candidate. >> gloria's exactly right. on twitter, it's all republican pundits, columnists, lobbyists, people on this station. it is not voters. there's a huge disconnect. >> right now it's a hash tag movement. putting a lot of faith in hash tag movement does not -- i got to go quickly to wolf. >> anderson, thank you. only a few states outstanding right now. we're watching them very carefully. right now we have another major projection. cnn projects donald trump is the winner in arkansas in the republican presidential primary. it's been close for hours but cnn projects donald trump is the winner. let's look at the votes in arkansas as they've come in. donald trump with 82% of the vote in, he's got 33.8% to ted cruz's 29.4%, marco rubio's
24.7. donald trump is the winner in arkansas. let's take a look at the states. he has won now six states for donald trump. georgia, alabama, massachusetts, tennessee, virginia and arkansas. ted cruz has won two states tonight, his home state of texas and neighboring oklahoma. on the democratic side, hillary clinton so far has won six states tonight. georgia, virginia, alabama, tennessee, arkansas and texas. bernie sanders has carried his home state of vermont and carried oklahoma, which is not a neighboring state from vermont but bernie sanders has done well in oklahoma and vermont. we're following all of these developments very, very closely. there are still other outstanding races in all of this but i want to go quickly to jake and dana. >> i think this is just another opportunity for to us underline the fact that donald trump has won six now contests of the eight that we have declared and
this is just a momentous night in republican party politics, somebody whom i think there's no question that almost every member of the republican party establishment opposes and has reminds the voters almost at every turn that they do not want donald trump to be the nominee, he's just racking unvip victory after victory. while it's premature to say he's unstoppable, he's almost running the table. and arkansas, part of ted cruz's fire wall in the south and, b, there were those in the rubio campaign who saw rubio in second place there and were hoping for a better showing in arkansas. >> arkansas kind of has a populist history, mike huckabee, former governor was and is more of a populist republican. to your point of doing incredibly well tonight, arkansas, georgia, but then go north to massachusetts. can you think of different
electorates between massachusetts and southern states like arkansas and georgia? obviously the common theme is what we've been talking about all election year is donald trump has been doing well. people are just done with washington, done with politicians, angry and they want someone who is going to reflect, mirror and express that anger. >> and as has been noted on the panel, could you see this coming with the rise of the tea party, with the primary defeat of eric cantor in virginia, the former house majority leader to a relative unknown. this has been brewing for a very long time. this is really a revolution. this is a real rebellion against the republican establishment. it doesn't matter how many members of the establishment say no, no, no, you are don't want this guy, we don't want him. the voters are saying, yes, we do. and their super tuesday is now trumper tuesday. let's go to sarah murray at
trump headquarters in palm beach, florida. sarah, they've got to be celebrating, 6 out of so far and it could be even more. >> reporter: jake, i think they're celebrating you just came up with trumper tuesday. donald trump when he did his new conference was elated but he said wouldn't it be nice to get a clean sweep to finish this off? now that they have arkansas, they do have a number of states in their corner. like dana was pointing out, we're talking about very different states in different corners of the country here. what donald trump is talking about is the fact that he is expanding the base of the republican party. that is what they are also hoping will be the key to their victory here in florida. they're hoping this is where they can finally kill off marco rubio. and in talking to their staffers here in florida, they say we already had the blue collar voters, now we're expanding to the country club republicans.
if they can keep that up, they feel they can win here. >> now wolf blitzer, you have an update on some of the outstanding campaign sfwlcampai >> we also have another projection right now. cnn projects that the florida senator will win the minnesota republican caucuses. this is his first win in all of these contests so far. it's an important win for marco rubio. he wanted a win and he now has a win. the minnesota republican caucuses. let's look at some of the other outstanding races that we're still waiting for more results. marco rubio wins minnesota. in vermont we have not yet made a projection. 78% of the vote is in, donald trump is ahead, 32.3%, john kasich 30.8%, rubio in third place distantly 19.5%. you can see minnesota we projected for marco rubio.
he's got 37.3%, 2% for cruise and 21% for donald trump. let's put up the democratic races that we're watching. in colorado right now cnn is watching very closely the colorado caucuses. there you see it right thereto, bernie sanders with 58.6%. hillary clinton 40.3%. only a third of votes are in in colorado. in massachusetts right now, there you see hillary clinton with 50.6%, bernie sanders with 48.2%. 94% of the vote is in. hillary clinton's got a lead of about 25,000 in massachusetts. we have not projected a winner yet. in minnesota, we have that right over here on the democratic side. bernie sanders with 58.7%, hillary clinton with 41.3%, you
see what's happening in minnesota as well. the headline right now, though, is that senator marco rubio finally after all of these contests, he picks up a win, a win is important, jake. as you know, you just spoke to him. >> a big, big victory for florida senator marco rubio. he finally has won a contest, the florida republican contests. let's go to rubio campaign headquarters in miami, florida. finally a win for the senator and it sounded like from the interview that he's not going anywhere, he's staying in this contest. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, jake. i think the rubio campaign is relieved for a win. not because it necessarily puts them closer to winning the republican nomination, burr it puts to rest all the questions about whether he can win a state. they believe they are picking up delegates here tonight in some of these states and that's going to go a ways to winning the republican nomination. they believe, of course that, when it comes to march 15th and
beyond, they absolutely have to win a state, those winner take all starts. march 15th we've opinibeen talk about all night long he has to win on march 15th to secure the delegates. and there are two other states that are winner take all states. they believe they did pretty good and exceeded expectations. presumably they could do better in north carolina win in north carolina, which would go a long way towards getting toward that nomination. jake, watch for rubio to intensify those attacks on donald trump and shift away from ted cruz. >> when we come back, much more analysis. we're going to call another state, another projection. back after this very quick break. was engineered...
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colorado. bernie sanders has 58.2% to hillary clinton's 40.8%, 36% of the vote is in. with you bernie sanders we project is the winner of the democratic caucuses in colorado. let's take a look at the states won on the democratic side first. hillary clinton has won six states. reviewing -- georgia, virginia, alabama, tennessee, arkansas and texas. bernie sanders has won three states tonight, vermont, oklahoma and colorado. on the republican side, donald trump, he's won six states so far, georgia, alabama, massachusetts, tennessee, virginia and arkansas. ted cruz, he's won two states, texas and oklahoma. oklahoma. marco rubio has always won minnesota, that's the first state he's won. in minnesota on the democratic side, the democratic caucuses, a third of the vote is in. bernie sanders has a nice
comfortable lead with 58.7% to hillary clinton's 41.3%. two-thirds of the vote is out. in massachusetts on the democratic side, it's close. 95% of the vote is in. hillary clinton has 50.5%. bernie sanders 48.3%. she's up by 22,150 votes, 95% of the vote is in. in vermont on the republican side, there's still a contest there. 7 % 8% of the vote. -- of the vote is in. 32.4% for donald trump, 30.8% for john kasich. there are winners and finally marco rubio gets on the board. >> he'll be grateful to the people of minnesota, he finally gets a win. they think they can win in illinois and in michigan.
those are all down the road a little bit. ted cruz said he should get out of the race. in vermont, john kasich was hoping to get a win tonight. donald trump has held that narrow lead. but it's a slow count in vermont tonight. but the picture, there's a lot of donald trump, three states for ted cruz, one for marco rubio, donald trump and we're still waiting on alaska tonight. donald trump expects to win in alaska. we'll see what happens late tonight when those results come in. donald trump make the case that the party should unite around him. the math is in his favor. this is what we al katlocated tonight. those are the numbers we've been able to allocate so far. flip to the democratic side, secretary clinton, very happy with this map, very happy so far tonight. >> john, hold on one moment.
i want to report to our viewers. we have another major projection right now. and cnn projects bernie sanders is the winner in the minnesota democratic caucuses. this is his fourth win of the night. bernie sanders doing very well in minnesota. he's also won in vermont, his home state. he's won in oklahoma, he's won in colorado, he's now won in minnesota as well. four wins for bernie sanders. six wins for hillary clinton, john king, right now. this is important. it's a race on the democratic side as far as states are concerned it is. i think the only one left that we haven't called is massachusetts. both sanders and clinton supporters believe, they were telling me, they believe that clinton is going to narrowly win the state but we only got 98%. we have a very close race. in the delegate race it will be an even split.
but if that's the total for the night, bernie sanders wins four and hillary clinton wins the rest, including a dominant performance among african-americans. she's going to pick up a delegate lead in the race as you go forward. >> bernie sanders raised $42 million in february alone. all of a sudden the debate in flint, michigan between bernie sanders and hillary clinton, that takes on added significance. it's getting close and he's not walking away by any means. >> he's not going anywhere. he has money and he believes we're about to go to more favorable grounds. hillary clinton has relationships going back decades from her days in arkansas, her husband as president. they believe when they get to the industrial midwest, the terrain is better for them. the flint debate is important in is an estimate. tonight is going to end something like this, somewhere in the ballpark of this is
pledged delegates, one on onprio on primary and caucus day, she's starting to stretch it out here. >> let's play it out, the rest of march. we're now into march. let's play it out, what potentially could happen with delegate count between hillary clinton and bernie sanders? >> i'm not going to bring in super delegates. when i push the button, they all go to clinton. let's say for the sake of argument, you mentioned the debate in michigan in is a huge state for bernie sanders. in a hypothetical, give it to bernie sanders, that would be 5 -45. ohio is another big battleground. secretary feels very strong, her team feels strong about this state but sanders says he will try to compete. he has to make a point in the midwest, in the big delegate basket states to prove if she has the base in the south, he
has to prove outside of new england he's got another base, it's not just going to be a state here, a state there, that he can pick a region of the country and be strong. is there he's looking at states like kansas and nebraska. >> if he can pick those up, they are looking at those states. if you pick that up again, he inches a little bit closer because of the proportional rules for democrats, hillary clinton would still get her hair. just like he's getting his share. he narrowly wins massachusetts, he'll get roughly half the delegates. >> what about idaho, utah, arizona? >> if sanders could pick off another one here, relatively small delegate, 13 versus 10 when you flip them over. you could come into utah. clinton supporters are saying, wait a minute, we're going to win some of those states. they may well.
i just want to say one thing though, at the moment as long as she keeps winning, now this doesn't happen until u get to the convention, you only use them if you need them but at the moment in her back pocket she has 468 super delegates. these are elected and appointed democrats that get a vote at the convention. the sanders campaign gets mad and says you shouldn't count them because they can change their mind. as long as she keeps winning, they're going to stay on her side. they a huge advantage to hillary clinton if she needs them down the road. and, again, as long as she keeps winning the majority of her states, she'll hold them in her back pocket. >> cnn projects hillary clinton
is the winner in massachusetts. this brings to seven the number of states she has picked up tonight. she's won georgia, virginia, alabama, tennessee, arkansas, texas and now massachusetts. seven states for hillary clinton. bernie sanders, though, he's doing well tonight as well. he's captured four states, vermont, oklahoma, colorado and minnesota, four states indeed. this is a significant moment. i got to tell you, jake and dana, as we're looking at this democratic contest, this is a race, a contest between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. it's by no means over. >> absolutely. knot. and certainly with bernie sanders and the money he raised, and he's winning states. you just called minnesota and colorado, two states that hillary clinton did not win eight years ago, by the way,
tonight there's no reason why as you heard some democratic establishment figures talking about maybe he should get out of the race. there's no reason why he should get out of the race. it still a race. >> at the beginning of the night, you and i were talking about that bernie sanders came out early after his vermont win, maybe he wouldn't have other things to celebrate. he does. he's got three additional states to celebrate, oklahoma, minnesota and colorado. i'm getting e-mails from hillary clinton sources saying just don't forget it's all proportional so you have to look at the margins, it's all about delegates and even in the places where she hasn't won she's still adding it up so on and so forth. >> but it works the other way, too. >> exactly. and bernie sanders, you heard briana reporting that very-the-have the money, they have the enthusiasm, and they're not going anywhere. and why should they is this. >> earlier today i was speaking to the campaign chairman john
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so the results are in on all of these states. we're waiting for alaska. they start their caucuses at the top of the hour. senator cruz, what's your plan on going forward? you have a long road ahead of you. donald trump has done better than you today. >> thank you, wolf. tonight was a great night. what we've seen throughout the entire course of this primary has been a winnowing process. a year ago we started out with 17 republican kpds and the field has narrowed and narrowed and narrowed. we have 15 states that have voted. i've beaten donald three times.
for the 65% of republicans who recognize this donald trump is not the best candidate to run against hillary clinton, by all accounts he gets walloped by -- >> rubio has won a state. you're not the only republican to beat donald trump. >> but nobody has beaten him in three states, three very different states in iowa, oklahoma and texas. if we remain divided, in all likelihood donald trump because the nominee. >> do you want rubio to drop out? >> well, listen, i think every candidate is going to have to assess the results tonight, have to look across and assess do they have a path to victory. to win the nomination, you've got to be able to get to 1,237
delegates. that is a high threshold. i think every candidate is going to have to look at this, prayerfully consider it and i do believe the other candidates are interested in this country, are putting this country first. and if they don't see a path to coming forward, it is my hope that we unite and come together because that is the only way we defeat donald trump. if donald trump is the nominee, much of the media will be thrilled, much of the democrats will be thrilled. in all likelihood hillary clinton which, we lose the senate, we lose the supreme court for a generation. i don't want to see that happen. >> senator, have you spoken to john kasich? have you spoken to dr. ben carson about possibly trying to encourage them to drop out? >> you know, i think each of the candidates are going to assess the results tonight, they're going to visit with their teams and give it quiet, prayerful contemplation and reflection. i'll give them time to do that.
at the same time, it my hope as republicans that we come together because if we don't and donald trump wins this nomination, i think the results for the next generation would be extraordinarily dire. it is a mistake for a -- to nominate a candidate who agrees with hillary clinton and bernie sanders that obamacare should be expanded to government-controlled socialized medicine with the federal court in charge of health care. >> donald trump says all the time he'll repeal and replace obamacare right away. >> sure, but the reason he wants to repeal it is because he thinks it doesn't go far enough. that's what bernie sanders says, too. what donald trump has supported for 20 years is socialized medicine, the federal cougovernt in charge of everyone's health care. it means if you're a senior, the
government decide whether you get a hip replacement. >> he said he wants private health insurance, should, allowed without state boundary, go all around the country and let the insurance companies compete. he says he doesn't want socialized medicine. >> you're a good enough journalist you no he's said dozen and dozens of times on television he want the government to pay for everyone. in the last debate he ran away from that position and supported buying insurance across state lines, which i've been advocating for a long time. in his position for 20 years, he says, he is, quote, a liberal on health insurance, everyone should get health insurance, it should, mandatory and the government should pay for it. if the government pays for everyone's insurance, the government controls everyone's health care. that has been his position. it is, by the way, exactly what bernie sanders' position is.
my position is we will repeal obamacare. if you're a small business owner, donald trump's socialized medicine will be even more burdensome than obamacare. it will kill jobs, drive down wages and we need to bring more jobs back. >> dana bash has a question for you. >> something i've been thinking about listening to you and how the rhetoric has changed. if you think donald trump is so antithetical to conservatism, what took you so long to say so? you really cozied up to him for the majority of this campaign. >> listen, dana, for the last couple of months i've been taking dana on directly. prior to this debate last week, nobody else was willing to jump into the fray. and in order to -- the way this primary has played out, it's a
win i don winnowing process. there were some that took donald on when there were 17 of us. you couldn't do that. i needed to build my base of support and take care so i was on a strong foundation first before i could take him on and that was a natural process. but let be clear. this is now winnowed down that the only way to beat donald trump is to go head to head. head to head i beat donald and i beat him resoundingly. your poll shows donald losing to hillary by point and your poll shows me beating hillary. >> you have to define somebody before he th edefine themselves. he, donald trump, not only defined himself as a conservative, he defined everybody else. so in retrospect, did you wait too long to be talking about what you just said to wolf, he's a liberal on health care, he is
for social siz for social sized medicine. haven't the train left the station that you're not going to get that through to voters? >> not remotely. this is an ongoing conversation. let's talk about immigration. donald funded the gang of eight that was behind the massive amnesty plan. he funded five of the members of the gang of eight, gave them over $50,000. just yesterday the news broke that the "new york times" has a secretly recorded tape of donald telling the "new york times" editorial board that he doesn't believe what he said on immigration, he doesn't intend to build a wall, doesn't intend to deport people here legally. the last two days i've been calling on donald to release that. maybe he didn't say that, in which case he should be thrilled to release the tapes because it will exonerate him and show he's innocent. but donald hasn't done that.
i think the reason is because what's been reported is exactly right. and if donald is telling the "new york times" in manhattan that he is lying to the american people on immigration, i think the voters have a right to know that and they have a right to know that sooner rather than later. >> if he's the nominee, will you support him? >> i will support the republican nominee period, the end. but i don't think he's going to be the nominee. we'll unite so he won't be the nominee. >> are you ready to go all the way to the convention? >> you know, i don't think we're going to have a brokered convention. what i believe is going to happen is that tonight continued to winnow the field. there a lot of republicans sitting back saying it is time for adult leadership. we need to step up and say enough is stuff. don't throw away this election. we are going to beat hillary clinton unless we nominate donald trump. i think you're going to see the 65 or 70% of republicans coming
together. for everyone who supported other candidates, let me welcome you and invite you. if we stand united, like with the reagan coalition, that's how we beat donald trump and it's a also how we beat hillary clinton and turn the country away. >> it so interesting listening to all the people who don't want donald trump to be the nominee and all of them try to explain why their timing has been so off, their attacks have been so late. it was pretty apparent that donald trump was a force back in august and september and they just were convinced the entire establishment and almost all of the republican candidates were just going to self-emulate.
>> for ted cruz in particular, he was convinced because trump had never run for office before, he would fade away and that fervor, that anger at washington would ultimately go to him since he has been the guy standing up to washington from within washington and doing all the things that the base wanted him to do but it didn't happen. >> and all of republican candidates who did go after him initially ended up getting stomped by donald trump. anderson, there's a veritable elephant's graveyard of republicans who have taken on donald trump. >> there certainly is. let's kind of try to reset things. let take a step back, look at the night so far, david, gloria. what's changed? >> some things have changed. the front-runners are the
front-runners. hillary clinton's southern fire wall held. she won all six of those states and she won massachusetts. she won those southern states with the help of african-american votes, overwhelming support there. but in a state like massachusetts right next to new hampshire where she got clobbered a few weeks ago, she came away with a victory in a state that has very few african-american votes. so she's in command of this race. she's got a growing lead and it could go all the way to may before she clinches but it going to be hard for bernie sanders to dislodger. marco rubio i think was the big loser on the republican side. >> and the race, as much as ted cruz hopes it will with prayerful reflection, it has not winnowed down a lot. >> no. i think we need to take a step back and look at the republican party. i don't know if you want to call it in turmoil or in chaos or completely falling apart -- i've
covered politics for long time. i didn't cover barry goldwater in 1964, okay. but i can only imagine that this is something like that, where a party finds itself with a front-runner that is hugely supported by the base of the party, that the party elites don't like and yet they can't seem to come up with anybody who they believe they can rally around as credible alternative. >> let's turn to our republicans here. jeffrey lord, how would you describe the state of the party? >> rush limbaugh said today a lot of the trump folks see what's happening here and their support of trump is the only way to take the party back from party elites. he cited a book called "the ruling class" by a boston university professor. and he talks about how basically
over the last 50, 60 years we got the country class, which is the people out in america itself and the ruling class, people who went to the state schools, got the same cultural experiences and et cetera. and they consider themselves to be smarter, morally and intellectually superior, they've got the right to run things and the people out in the countryside are a bunch of idiots. and at long last you got all these people out in the country who are saying, hey, enough of this, you know? no more. and so they look at donald trump as their vehicle to express that disagreement. they're passionate about it. >> that sounds almost like revolution then. if you're looking for a word to describe a class what has been sort of ignored and mocked. >> i think there's one single issue that has royled the republican party really since 2006, we've seen the gop civil war play out again and again but the single most clairifying thi
i think is the issue of illegal immigration. donald trump and ted cruz have taken a fairly hard line on immigration. that seems to be the consensus if there is one among gop primary voters. this has been an ongoing thing since 2006 when we had the mccain kennedy bill, and renewed that with the gang of eight, which ruined marco rubio as a candidate. once this issue gets worked out, maybe we'll be coming together. >> civil war? >> it's an existential crisis within the party. it's the grass roots initiative against the elites. >> polls are closing in alaska. we'll see if we'll be able to make a projection. we'll be right back.
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welcome back. there's another republican contest hanging in the balance at midnight eastern. the gop caulk uses wrap up in alaska. donald trump went into alaska with an advantage, the endorsement of the state's former government sarah palin. let's see where we stand right now in the race for the presidency here in the united states. states won tonight on the republican side. donald trump, he has won georgia, alabama, massachusetts,
tennessee, virginia and arkansas. impressive wins for donald trump. ted cruz, the senator from texas, he's carried his home state of texas, as well as oklahoma. marco rubio finally got on the >> hillary clinton has done well tonight. she has won seven states, georgia, virginia, alabama, tennessee, arkansas, texas and massachusetts. bernie sanders has done well as well as. vermont, oklahoma, colorado and minnesota. we have a key race alert. hillary clinton has won the democratic caucuses there, so six delegates from america samoa. in vermont is 84% on the republican side. 32.5% for donald trump,