tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 3, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
set your dvr. you can record "outfront" and watch our show any time. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. we're just a few hours remufd from something we've never, i mean never, ever seen before. the party's last nominee. today the famously nonprofane mitt romney went before the cameras and in the strongest language possible broke the 11th commandment right over donald trump's head. >> here's what i know. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as the degree from trump university. he is playing the members of the
american public for suckers. he gets a free ride to the white house, and all we get is a lousy hat. >> that was not all he said. far from it. nor did it go unanswered by donald trump nor shut the door on the possibility that the one-time nominee may be angling to make it two times. they are exploring ways of blocking donald trump at the convention. chief political correspondent dana bash starts us off. >> reporter: an unprecedented takedown of a republican front-runner by a former republican standard bearer. >> donald trump lacks the temperment to be president. >> reporter: the most extraordinary part of mitt romney's message, he wasn't just blasting donald trump as bad for the gop. he was calling him perilous for america. >> donald trump tells us he is very, very smart. i'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy, he is very, very not smart. if we republicans choose donald trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and
prosperous future are greatly diminished. >> reporter: romney's carefully crafted speech was aimed at exposing trump as a phony. >> but you say wait, wait, wait. isn't he a huge business success? doesn't he know what he's talking about? no, he isn't, and no, he doesn't. >> reporter: romney effectively called trump a loser, tan aemt to undermine his core rationale for his candidacy
that he's a winner. >> we're going to win, win, win. >> what ever happened to trump airlines? how about trump university? and then there's trump magazine. and trump vodka. and trump steaks. and trump mortgage. a business genius he is not. >> reporter: but the 2012 gop nominee is an imperfect messenger since he courted trump's endorsement just four years ago. >> having his endorsement is a delight. >> reporter: then romney even praised the business acumen he criticized today. >> donald trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works
to create jobs for the american people. >> reporter: but the straight-laced romney is clearly disgusted with trump's demeanor as a presidential candidate now. >> think of donald trump's personal qualities. the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny. the absurd third grade theatrics. >> reporter: romney even tried to preempt trump's response. >> will he talk about our policy differences or will he attack me with every imaginable low-road insult? this may tell you what you need to know about his temperament, his stability and his suitable ut to be president. >> mitt was a disaster as a candidate. >> reporter: trump responded true to form. >> and i backed mitt romney. i backed him. you can see how loyal he is. he was begging for my endorsement. i could have said, mitt, drop to your knees. he would have dropped to his knees. >> reporter: trump claimed romney didn't run for president this time around because he feared the reality star.
>> jeb had him convinced he's going to run. he's got the money. and mitt chickened out. but i'll tell you the real reason. it wasn't jeb. it was me. >> reporter: it was clear romney's criticism of trump's business record hit him hard. the billionaire came armed with a list of accomplishments. >> they don't want to talk about 92-story buildings all over the place. they don't want to talk about the bank of america building in san francisco. 1290 avenue of the americas. frankly, it's
ridiculous. >> dana bash joins us from the republican debate site in detroit. as we mentioned, there's also news the romney team is exploring blocking trump at the convention. what do you know about that? >> well, in some ways that was kind of implied in what romney didn't do, which is endorse any of donald trump's opponents. instead he said that he encouraged voters in each of the important contest states coming up to vote for some of his opponents. and praised all of them. so if none of these candidates
even and including donald trump gets the magic number needed to be the nominee, the 1,237 delegates, then that's effectively what will happen. now there are some who adore mitt romney who have a dream of him kind of emerging as a white knight and as the person who will be picked as the nominee. however, i've talked to a couple of people tonight who are extremely close to romney who insist that he would not want to be that. he knows how hard it is and if somebody said they wanted to come in and just kind of emerge as the nominee, he wouldn't have liked that. if it comes to it, he would work the convention floor, pick somebody, but right now, they insist that that is not his plan. one more thing i want to add. we are here in michigan. there's going to be a republican debate tonight. this is the place where there is going to be a republican contest this coming tuesday. and i talked to a senior republican here who really
understands the ground, who said to me that she thought that the romney speech was a big mistake, and that she might have just handed the nomination to donald trump because she believed it so misreads the electorate and the anger out here on the ground. >> interesting, dana bash, thanks. donald trump provides the introduction to one of our panel members. listen. >> his campaign guy was terrible, terrible. had a terrible campaign manager who is always on television, stewart stevens. he's always on television knocking everybody. he ran one of the worst campaigns in the history of modern politics. >> safe to say he's not a fan and the feeling is mutual. steven stevens, we're happy to have him with us. and inside politics anchor john king, gloria borger, nia-malika henderson, david chalian, k
kayleigh mcenany, van jones. stewart stevens, first, let's start with you. what do you make of governor romney's speech. you heard dana bash saying some folks in michigan think it actually is going to help donald trump. >> listen, i think governor romney went out there and spoke his mind and said what he thought was important about this race and about the country and the choices before us. you know, he echoed ronald reagan's speech and that's really what it is. he feels, and a lot of people share his view, that donald trump is a disaster for the republican party, and a disaster for the country. so if you aren't -- if you don't speak up when you believe that, it doesn't make sense. i don't think he can gain this thing out politically and say you do x and y and z will
happen. it's a time you have to speak up. you have someone who is a front-runner for the republican nomination that has to research the kkk, white supremacist and david duke. that's a disgrace. if you don't call it that, why they would maintain any sort of sense of dignity. >> gloria, do you think what romney said will make a difference? >> i think it could incite his supporters to be more devoted. i think mitt romney is a very smart man, and he knew that going into this. that there are voters out there who are undecided, and if they are undecided, mitt romney was probably speaking to them. but to say that mitt romney represents the establishment, that these voters feel so betrayed by that they're not -- they aren't going to listen to him, and he knows it. as stuart was saying, mitt romney went out there and spoke his mind, period. >> john -- >> mitt romney believed this three months ago.
the kkk issue hadn't come up. other issues that hadn't come up. mitt romney believed thus three months ago. when you called his friends two, three, four months ago, what do you think of trump? they said he's not a real conservative. he's a fraud, a charlotton. he's been saying this for months. where were they? i talked to some people today just like dana and the short term this helps trump because it's another establishment figure staying essentially challenging trump voters saying you're stupid for supporting this guy. calling the voters stupid is a bad idea. however, in the long run, maybe, if you are trying to save florida, ohio, maybe governor romney who has a great fund-raising operation and has some standing in the party can help them raise money for the states down the line. there are five states this weekend and michigan. you look at louisiana, kentucky, maine, kansas, and then you'll go into michigan next week. that's another, what, 70, 80, 100 delegates for donald trump. it stretches the lead. why did they wait so long is the
question i keep asking every night. >> the same question could be asked are national security people. michael hayden has come forward and spoken about his feelings about trump and his foreign policy. some others have come forward. where were they? >> yeah, they got this big list of foreign policy types, foreign policy who are coming out and speaking out against trump. i think one of the things about mitt romney, in some ways it was a little sad. it was him trying to assume the role of party elder for a party that has really moved on beyond him and in some ways wasn't that thrilled with him to be the nominee in 2012. so, i mean, it was sort of him saying, well, what about me? what about me? and kind of, i think, a claim for relevance when i think most of the party, particularly these trump voters, becausically hear charlie brown's teach are when mitt romney talks. >> in terms of delegates, even -- there's -- the only way
any of these current candidates can try to stop donald trump really at this point is by doing something at the convention, right? >> unless there's some complete trajectory change where one of them wins everything going forward and that's not realistic. that was explicit in mitt romney's remarks today. he wasn't trying to get behind one person and boost them to be the person to defeat donald trump. that ship has sailed. what he was trying to do is, hey, if you are in florida, vote for marco rubio. if you are in ohio, vote for john kasich and build up their delegates and spread the wealth to prevent donald trump from getting 1,237 so this can be sorted out in cleveland. if you talk to a bunch of folks in the republican party, that seems to be the strategy they're coalescing around. i don't know that it will be any more successful than just trying to defeat donald trump outright. the notion of one candidate defeating donald trump and getting the 51% delegates on
their own. >> let me ask stuart stevens that. you have been to the question of where were people earlier. you have been out there early on talking against donald trump for quite some time on twitter a lot. and on television as donald trump pointed out. how do you see this working out in any way that donald trump does not get the nomination? what happens at the convention? i assume that's the only place where something can happen at this stage. >> yeah, look, i think the reason governor romney hadn't spoken out before is you'd expect the candidates to be carrying this message. frankly, i don't think they've been doing as effective a job as they should have. the first time in the debate it was the last debate when senator rubio really challenged donald trump. and i think that that's the right way to go. it should have happened much sooner. this is very simple. it's just a numbers game.
he has to get 1,237 delegates to be the nominee. if he doesn't get those delegates and it goes to a second ballot, there's other options. i think that probably someone else in the race now could emerge as a winner. it's really not very complicated. you play by the rules, and those are the rules. >> when they talk about other options, you are talking about -- it's all those trump voters, you know, who expect their candidate to get the nomination. that convention is going to be -- >> it depends. we're talking about dream scenarios. all of us have covered politics. where's my open convention. i wouldn't use the term brokered convention. who is going to broker that deal with the trump delegation? >> what would it look like? >> it depends on how many delegates people have coming in. if donald trump has 1,000 and the closest guy is at 500 and you try to take it away from donald trump, you'll not have a floor fight. you'll have a bar fight. if someone has 800 and 700 and
500 and nobody wins on the first ballot, then that's what a convention is for. that's what they were originally designed to sort things out. stuart knows the rules really well and now everybody including mitt romney's team has the lawyers and strategists going through. they write the rules for the convention right before the convention. it's a general template but one of the things you'll start hearing from the trump people if we get closer and he doesn't have a majority is they'll cook the books because they write the actual day-to-day proceedings rules and the actual 2016 convention rules a week or so before the convention. so watch for that fight. you think this is interesting now. if we get to that point, yee haw. >> we're going to take a quick break and talk more to our commentators and bring them into this conversation. later tonight, the rivals who joined in the attack on trump and the conwho congratulated romney on his remarks but is not going negative. also a closer look at where trump may be vulnerable, although he has defied all conventional wisdom so far.
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anger for less than noble purposes. he creates scapegoats of muslims and mexican immigrants. he calls for
the use of torture. he calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. he cheers assaults on protesters. he applauds the prospect of twisting the constitution to limit first amendment freedom of the press. this is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss. >> it's also the indictment that trump supporters say will backfire warning that neither his two main rivals nor their surrogates seem to be worrying about as sara murray reports tonight. >> reporter: tonight, donald trump's rivals are coming in locked and loaded. >> here's what i know. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. >> reporter: with republican leaders in panic mode, the anti-trump army is firing off anything it can to cast the gop front-runner as a scam artist who stumbled through disavowing
white supremacists and has something to hide. >> we choose donald trump as our nominee, he'll have carried out the most elaborate conjob in the history of politics. >> reporter: he ramped up his defense of his business record and personal finances. >> i have very low debt, tremendous cash flow. >> reporter: but he still refuses to release his tax return. >> romney talks about his tax returns. why isn't he doing his taxes? very little do you learn from taxes. >> reporter: meanwhile his rivals readied their jabs. marco rubio attacks trump's failed business ventures and hammered him over trump university. now at the center of a fraud case. >> literally dozens of victims of that scam have come forward to contact us because of how angry they are about the fact he's trying to do to america what's he did to them. >> reporter: today trump downplayed the issue. >> it's a very small case. it's a civil case. it's not a big deal. >> reporter: the billionaire
businessman has faced scrutiny over his business acumen before. >> you wouldn't know anything about it because you are a lousy businessman. >> i don't know anything about bankrupting four companies. >> reporter: his
rivals had no plans to let up. ted cruz is insisting trump may still have something to hide, suggesting trump played it fast and loose on his policy positions, talking tough on immigration in public but saying something else behind closed doors. >> it was reported that earlier this year donald had gone to new york to sit down with "the new york times," and they have a secret tape recording of donald saying, all this stuff i'm saying on immigration, i don't mean it. that wall i'm talking about, i ain't going to build it. deporting illegals? i'm not going to do it. donald, release the tape. >> reporter: and his nearly 100 national security experts and even john mccain argue he's ill prepared to be commaner in chief. trump says he's in no hurry to unveil his national security
advisers. >> i met and i've spoken to the team. i'm going to do it very shortly. i don't think there's any rush. >> sara murray joins us from detroit. looks like trump could be changing course on another issue. you are hearing he may begin fund-raising if he's the nominee. you can donate on his web page and he has received millions in donations already. >> that's right, anderson. he touts the idea of self-funding but has accepted donations through his website, and now in private discussions, trump has told people he's acknowledged that he will have to fund-raise in a general election, that he and the rnc need to be well prepared to take on the democrat who they expect will likely be hillary clinton and have a very well-funded political organization. this could be another change of course. the other thing is that the trump campaign did put out a release tonight saying senator jeff sessions would be chairman of their national security team. it seems clear the trump campaign is anticipating some attacks on that front. >> sara murray, thanks. back wither panel.
kayleigh, how concerned are you by governor romney's comments and other people that have come forward, this drum roll of people coming forward. >> i'm not concerned about romney. he's a walking epitome of something that mike huckabee started pointing out in 2010. the republican party is full of elitists, full of this country club mentality where they reject candidates like christine o'donnell and sarah palin and mike huckabee. they did the same to him in 2008 and now donald trump. they reject anyone that doesn't have an ivy league pedigree or doesn't fit the prospect of what they are looking for in a cookie cutter candidate. finally people are saying you'll not give me john mccain and force feed me mitt romney. we are choosing something else. mitt romney can't handle that's. the rnc to a certain extent can't handle that. >> just reaction to that. it was voters rejecting to christine o'donnell. >> the rnc rejected her from the get-go. >> amanda, do you see something happening at the convention that
could turn -- change the course of this? >> i would prefer something to happen earlier. >> when you say something happen earlier, what could possibly happen earlier. >> there's a debate tonight. i think telling people to wait to a brokered convention to solve this problem is bad. ted cruz has to get out there and really make the case tonight saying, hey, listen. everyone says never trump. we don't want trump. we need a way to unify the conservatives and establishment against this weird new third way of the republican party. hi. donald trump has 300 some delegates. i have 226. i am the best vehicle to stop donald trump. what are you waiting for? because the reality is, it's not going to be mitt romney. it's going to be one of the four men on stage tonight. trump, kasich, rubio or cruz. and cruz has the best shot at that now. and so i -- i'm comfortable with the fact that mitt romney gave a big speech saying donald trump is bad. okay. now what? >> i heard you mumbling,
rumbling. >> to ted cruz. she's right about ted cruz has mathsmatically the high ground now to make the case, i'm closest to donald trump, circle around me. the problem is there are two states coming up right before us, louisiana and mississippi, that's if you look at the map and demographics, ted cruz's history, evangelical and tea party, he should be able to win those states. if you look at the results from south carolina to georgia or alabama or across, trump has been winning those states. if ted cruz can't win louisiana and mississippi, he loses that argument. that's going to happen in the next couple of days. if you can't win states, how can you say i should be your nominee. if we get to an open convention if they deny donald trump, rubio has to win florida, kasich has to win new hampshire. somebody else has to win michigan or keep the margins so close they split the delegates and then you move on. it's hard to see if donald trump has the largest pool of delegates you convincing those delegates under any circumstances to support the guys who came in behind him who are now saying he's a con man,
has small hands, he cheats, his university is a fraud. i have a hard time seeing the loyal trump delegates who think they are getting the shaft at the convention -- >> notice paul ryan hasn't said those things. >> unless someone comes out from behind the curtain. >> paul ryan. >> stu, do you agree it would have to be somebody new, somebody coming forward, and is mitt romney that person or somebody else? >> no, i actually believe that it would be one of the candidates running. and, look, this is just -- we look at this in the wrong way. you have to get a certain number of delegates. if you don't have those delegates on the first ballot and it goes to a second ballot, then you don't need trump delegates. what will happen most likely is two people running together will join together and form some sort of ticket. thus point about ted cruz and mississippi and louisiana is absolutely route. and the tragedy here is we
watched for months and months where ted cruz cozied up to donald trump because he thought it was in his best political interest. and now all of a sudden, we have a terrible crisis because we're facing donald trump. i mean, it really is a shame that these candidates didn't stand up to donald trump earlier. you can't outsource your courage to someone else. they should have fought to win these races instead of this crazy idea whof who was going t come in second and third. they fought over that. now they're fighting over who is going to come in second and third again. it's not the way to run a campaign. they need to stand up and try to win. >> amanda, what's about that? ted cruz turned it on the media saying it's the mainstream media wants to pit us against each other. i'm not going to do that. he's a fine man. he's certainly singing a difference tune. >> that was so long ago. it drives me crazy -- >> wasn't that the time to stand up? >> there was a time, if he would have done it, it would have defined his candidacy versus
donald trump. >> so. >> ted cruz is number two because he didn't get in the mud with him that early and ted cruz has been attacking him for months. i don't buy this. it's very news everyone jumping in now trying to find someone to blame for the rise of donald trump. it's not ted cruz who is coming close to beating him. >> a couple of things. i'm a democrat so i see it somewhat differently. first, it could be the case that mitt romney made some strategic blunder and all this kind of stuff. i just want to say, sometimes you just have to say what you believe. sometimes you answer to your own conscience. and i think that if people actually believe, as many people do, that donald trump would be a danger to the country, they have a responsibility not only to speak out but if they can find some rules that might get in the way, you have a moral responsibility to do that. now they may be wrong. history may prove he's the greatest president we ever had. if you don't, i think he deserves more credit. the other thing is simply this. i think there's a messenger
problem. it could not -- it should not be impossible to find people screwed over by donald trump and have them unmask him. i don't understand. speak your heart. it's good. but that's not a good strategy. his whole thing is i am a strong business winner on your side. if you want to make the case and know you are a business loser out for yourself, find a human being to say that. >> what's interesting, you hear marco rubio saying we've been contacted by all these people. >> where are they? >> has anyone considered maybe those people aren't there? >> they there are. they are suing him. >> there are three. that judge whittled down the plaintiffs to very few because 98% voted for approval of trump university. if there were a long line saying he discriminated against me, the bad borss, et cetera, where are they. just ahead, we talked about marco rubio in the strategic context of blocking donald
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when it comes to delegate count, senator marco rubio is third trailing behind donald trump and ted cruz after winning one state so far only, minnesota. his home state of florida will be voting march 15th. even if he wins there, the math does not look great for a path to the nomination. rubio has stepped up his attacks on trump in the last debate and the lays following me. joining me is katlyn kind. senator rubio focusing on florida hoping for a win there. the latest quinnipiac poll has trump with a sizable lead over rubio. if your candidate does not win in florida, does he drop out? >> marco rubio is going to win florida on march 15th. look, the polls last week had donald trump beating us by double digits in virginia and marco gave him a run for his money. we feel really good. it's his home state. he's won there as an underdog
before. he beat charlie crist. he knows the state better than anyone else and we're going to bring home a win on the 15th. >> if he does not win there, though, is he out? >> he's going to win and we're going to have momentum and money and a more favorable map on our side. >> right, i heard that but i'm just wondering if he doesn't win, though is that -- is it a must-win for him? >> he's going to win, and he's also ready to compete in all 50 states. he does not think that donald trump can be our nominee and he's prepared to stay in this as long as possible to make sure this con artist doesn't take over the party. >> in terms of delegate count, the math doesn't look good for him. even if he wins in florida, he says he's going to be in this race as long as it takes. but if cruz and kasich don't drop out, how does he start to win more states? how does he beat donald trump other than at a convention with some sort of a deal? >> you know, i think you need to
ask that same question to the cruz camp and trump camp. marco is prepared to keep reminding people that's donald trump say con artist. he should not lead the party. and we're going to do that by having another night tonight where he talks about serious policy solutions to address the serious issues we face as a nation. and donald trump doesn't have the ability to do that. he can only insult people and throw names. but he really can't describe a plan to replace obamacare or to fight isis. marco rubio can do that. and he's going to remintd people of that tonight. >> there have been reports, one in politico today, that your campaign is preparing for some sort of fight at the convention. can you talk about that? >> so we expect this to be over before we get to july. we expect marco to have the nomination before that. we'll be prepared for anything. we're the one candidate who has establishment in all 50 states.
we've got state chairs there. we have a good organization. so we're prepares to go for the long haul. marco said he's willing to drive around in his pickup truck until this thing is over. >> how do you expect it to be done before the convention? okay. he wins florida. where else? he wins every other place? >> so ted cruz is supposed to have an awesome night last tuesday. he won his home state and two other states but he did not sweep the s.e.c. primary like he said he was going to. and that was the most favorable environment he's ever going to have. the best map for him. we're going into a bunch of states, florida and after that that look a lot more like virginia and minnesota where marco won. the maps in our favor and after florida we're going to get more money, we'll have momentum and the map will be on our side. we feel really good. >> but he didn't win in virginia. he didn't win in virginia. i know you're spinning it as a win, but it wasn't a win. >> he didn't win --
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laws to duck paying his bills and kill american jobs. >> reporter: less than two weeks before the state's republican primary. what's your reaction to that? >> it's a lie. >> why? >> it's an out and out lie. anyone that has lived in new york, which is where i come from, knows that's a falsehood. that he's very fair. he's opinionated. and we like that. >> reporter: we showed another trump supporter more of the same ad. >> he even tried to kick an elderly widow out of her home through eminent domain. >> you were chuckling. what's made you chuckle? >> the idea that he was trying to steal some lady's home. eminent domain, we wouldn't have bridges and we wouldn't have roads. >> trump picks on workers and widows. he won't do a thing to china and mexico. >> when you watch an ad like this, does it have any impact on whether or not you'd vote for donald trump? >> yes, it makes me want to vote
twice. >> for donald trump? >> for donald trump. >> reporter: there are also other attack ads aimed at bringing down the front-runner airing in florida. the conservative non-profit group american future fund designed these ads to make trump look like a scam artist. >> i was scammed because i believed in donald trump. he can make people believe practically anything. >> reporter: the ads feature people who say they were scammed by trump university. instead of learning trump's real estate secrets, they say they got nothing. >> i made a huge mistake trusting him. paying $35,000, actually more than $35,000. it was all supposedly supervised by donald trump. >> trump is just a fraud, a misrepresentation, a bs artist. america, don't make the same mistake i made with donald trump. >> it's a bluff. the whole ad is a bluff. >> painting him as being involved with fraud. you don't buy that? >> i don't buy it. >> trump university promised everything from start to finish. their expertise, their
knowledge, their input, the financing. they didn't really deliver on anything. >> when you see this, we can't trust donald trump, does that have an um paimpact? >> none. no bearing whatsoever. >> reporter: even this undecided voter who is not a fan of donald trump's thinks all of these attack ads are ridiculous. >> when you watch an ad like this, how does it make you feel? >> it seems like a reality show. doesn't even seem like politics anymore. people are just making fun and laughing. it looks more luke an "snl" parody. >> reporter: a parody or just politics in 2016. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach gardens, floertd. >> florida's primary is less than two weeks away. winner takes all. 9 d de 99 delegates at stake. back with our panel. clearly attack ads do work over time, otherwise i assume candidates wouldn't spend so much money on them.
>> i think some of these candidates, to stuart's point earlier, is they probably should have started this in the debates and on television earlier. people kept thinking donald trump was going to implode. no offense toward george w. bush intended but it's a mistake to misunderestimate your opponent. that's a bad strategerie. the polling out by a reputable firm had trump at like 29%. he's leading but he's gettable. the florida numbers are stronger for trump. it's hard to bring someone down. if that poll is right and he's cracked 40, and some of these other names are still on the ballot, even if they aren't in the race anymore. it's hard to bring somebody down to that point. you try to get an answer out of catlin. tough job. but of course rubio has to win florida. and they understand they've canceled events tomorrow in louisiana and in kentucky. two states that come up first. two states where louisiana is not great terrain for marco
rubio. kentucky is a tougher one but the suburbs of lexington and louisville, they are areas for rubio to get some votes there. they decided to marshal their resources and go home to florida stu stevens, do you believe it's too late for any of these ads? >> listen, i think the way to win a fight is to get in the fight. and the reality is these campaigns haven't been fighting donald trump for very long. it's very rare that you show people an attack ad and they go, wow, that really changed my vote. no one likes to admit they're being manipulated by what they see on television. we've seen before in campaigns big swings. mitt romney was, i think, 15, 20 points behind ten days out in the florida primary and ended up winning by 12 or so. it doesn't really matter where marco rubio is as far as what his strategy is. he just has to wake up every
morning and fight and hopefully if you are in a position i am that you want someone other than donald trump. hopefully marco rubio will win. >> and it's going to be one point about the attack ads. we have to stick up a little bit for the club for growth. they were running those ads back in october in iowa. conservatives have been criticizing trump for a long time. he had the national review big cover coming out. >> they said they couldn't get a lot of money after iowa. they thought it was effective in iowa but afterwards not a lot of interest. >> the establishment guys like mitt romney who are complaining and panicking and planning for a brokered convention. all their money has been on the sidelines. where is karl rove? the koch brothers are sitting out of thus. >> if i'm like kayleigh, if i was a trump supporter, and i'm not taking sides in any of this, but if i am a supporter of donald trump, i'd be offended that you have all these people piling on, and if anything, it would make me want to support this candidate more vigorously.
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debate. i hope you join us for that here starting at 11:00 eastern time. it comes just hours after mitt romney call donald trump saying he is playing the american public for suckers. of course, trump hit back today and may do it again tonight. let's talk more to our panel. kayleigh, do you expect marco rubio to continue being as aggressive as we saw in the last debate against trump, and do you think -- i gegs trump will have to bring up mitt romney if the moderators don't. >> will marco rubio attach himself to mitt romney? if we think mitt romney is that bad of a thing, something that can help trump, do we see marco rubio attach himself to the establishment movement? for his sake i hope he doesn't. but i think you'll see marco rubio attack simp he because he doesn't have any other strategy. maybe that's what moved the numbers in virginia. maybe it's not. >> you would agree with that, they have to continue what the campaign against him? >> i don't know what marco rubio's paths is. we have difficulty getting that from his campaign. he's got to keep attacking trump
to make a dent. but in this all never trump, are we going down the trump path fight, someone has to be -- in order to defeat trump, somebody has to coalesce everyone else. it will either be marco rubio or ted cruz. i think that is the best thing to accomplish tonight is say i'm that guy. but if rubio just wants to attack trump -- >> and marco has to make a case for why he should be president and the one -- >> look, i seriously doubt they'll all come out there and suddenly be nice to trump. it's going to be as hard as it was before. but i think -- let's not forget. romney has put on the table now officially an alternative strategy. which is not to coalesce. just to deny. and that's a new development tonight. >> they can all beat up on trump but if you're going to break through is to make the case that you'll change washington and what you'll do about the economy. trump's message on trade and on jobs is one of the reasons he's succeeding and chachblg washingt change washington. the other candidates haven't met that test.
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