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in a state like ohio, that could be a problem. >> i want to toss to wolf. >> let's retap where the elections tonight stand. donald trump is the winner of the republican primary in mississippi. donald trump is the winner of the republican primary in michigan. hillary clinton won the mississippi democratic primary so those are the three winners. let's get a key race alert on the outstanding race in michigan right now. in michigan, bernie sanders maintaining a significant lead over hillary clinton with 86% of the vote in. but 405,343 for hillary clinton, 439,711 for bernie sanders. bernie sanders maintaining a lead of about 35,000 votes.
that's pretty significant. i want to go to brianna keilar. we just heard from bernie sanders. whatever the final number is, this is still considered a big win for him tonight. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i mean, the sanders campaign feels like this gives them a lot of momentum going into these series of contests coming up here in a week, wolf. he's really looking toward ohio, even before seeing his showing tonight, his campaign felt that his message attacking hillary clinton for her past support of some -- even before seeing how it played here in michigan. that's certainly we should watch going into the next week here. i want to talk about some of the polling. the sanders campaign on friday did their final internal
polling. they found that hillary clinton was up by what i was told by one aide was high single digits. that was on friday. they didn't bother polling over the weekend because they found it really difficult to get ahold of young people, which are so key to his sort of black -- his numbers did not reflect his support of minority voters. >> ohio, one of the big contest as week from today, what are they saying, the clinton folks, it must be a disappointing night for them in michigan. >> reporter: it is a disappointing night, wolf. what was to be a victory party is now over. secretary clinton is on her way to florida.
she's flying overnight there. all this is just coming in to her. i talked to one top democrat, who is aligned with the clinton campaign who told me this. they said "she did not underestimate sanders, she misunderstood the electorate." how could they sort of blown or lost what everyone saw was a lead going into this. and one thing that changed was that auto bailout message. as briana said, the electorate of ohio so much the same as going into michigan. this is a symbolic loss. this is about the trade agreements, it's about the auto bailout, it's about flint. this is a state that she hoped and tried to win. so as she flies to florida right
now, she's going to be down tomorrow preparing for that debate tomorrow night. i can't think of a debate that's better timed. bernie sanders issing going to or lose. i'm told by a clinton aide that l modelling is showing them to be slightly pessimistic. they are now preparing for a narrow loss. we'll see what happens. the votes are still coming in as john is watching over there but the clinton campaign is now prepared for a narrow loss. >> the clinton campaign won in mississippi but not so much as michigan. michigan more important as far as delegates than mississippi. but she was impressive in mississippi. >> she was and that's what the clinton campaign is arguing in texts and that overall they're going to do quite well in delegates but he misunderstood the electorate? it's kind of stunning given the
fact that you have to be living under a rock not to understand the anger out there and also not to understand that people are both sides of the aisle, they don't like to hear politicians speak. and when she went after him for the auto bailout, may be something that really hurt her. >> it didn't resonate in a positive way for her, no doubt about that pip al about that. when you have a string of victories, you think are fully understand the electorate and then you're faced with this reality. if you look back in 2008, the electorate was about 76% white in both states in the 2008 primaries. that looks hikelike a good area bernie sanders to focus on in the upcoming states. if you look at the delegate available in ohio and missouri, they equal the delegates
available in florida. they are big prizes next thursday and they're going to be good turf for him potentially. >> they could be. let's look at why this is so close and perhaps bernie sanders win in michigan. >> let's take a look at the key demographics, let's look at age. seniors turned out in the same numbers. so 65 and older, this is a clinton category, 69% to 30%. she didn't win seniors by as large a margin as he won young people and they came out and turned out in equal parts. now here are the racial breakdowns here. if you have look at white voters, bernie sanders wins them bip 15 points, 57% to 42%. among african-americans, which we've been staying made up about a quarter of the electorate, 65%
to 30%. that is a narrower margin than we saw clinton win black voters in a state like myself tonight where she won i think 90% of the african-american vote in mississippi. a narrower margin. put those two things together among the younger african-americans, they drew to a tie. >> it's so fascinating. obviously the time that bernie sanders spent in college towns, ann arbor especially, paid off. he does it in every state but here it really seemed to have matter. >> he's doing remarkably well with young voters out there, college students among others. let's go over to john king, take a closer look at michigan right now. 91%, the vote is now in michigan. bernie sanders with 50.3%, hillary clinton 47.7%. he's still got an impressive lead right now. let's take a look at the largest county, wayne county in michigan. is that vote in or are we still
waiting? >> more is in. butch that's why jeff zeleny said at the clinton headquarters, they're preparing for a narrow loss. as vote's gone up, she's racked up her margin there. the question is is the turnout as high as they wanted? i suspect not if you had access to their targets. that number they would like to be above 60%. they would like that to be a little higher. bernie sanders made some inroads among urban african-americans. you're waiting for 75%. there's still a big chunk of volts to come in here. where else can hillary clinton get some more votes because bernie sanders has a pretty big, healthy lead. mccomb county, there's not a lot of votes there. oakland county where she is winning 100% in. you come up here, this is very interesting here. i'm told that among the areas
out in flint, hillary clinton and bernie sanders essentially tied. we got 40% of the votes still to count in genesee county. but you're stretching now to try to find the votes to overcome this margin. can you find them in wayne county and some of these areas? yes. but let's go around. 85% of the vote here, lancing, michigan state, center part of the state but bernie sanders you assume he's going to get more vote here. there's room for bernie sanders to grow still. in kent county, less than half of the vote counted and bernie sanders at the moment winning by a lopsided margin. if that continue there is, that's going to add a couple thousand to his total as well. so, yes, there are some big population centers in detroit. we're still waiting for a big chunk of votes but there are many other places where bernie
sanders' numbers are going to grow, too. >> more than 25,000 votes they've got to deal with. one with 30,000. that's a significant number to try to make up with only 8% of the vote outstanding. anderson, back to you. >> let's talkkind of the warning signs for hillary clinton moving forward among white voters and young voters going for bernie sanders. we talked about this enthusiasm gap. there's not a lot of enthusiasm for her. >> young voters -- if she hasn't heard the alarms on young voters yet, she's going to have her hearing checked. because these alarm bells have been ringing from the beginning of this campaign. this is nothing new. the fact that it's bled into the minority community and particularly african-american here is something that i think would be disturbing. one thing i want to say, though, is just exit polls are inexact but according to this exit poll,
she was leading narrowly 51-48 who said they decided more than a week ago and she lost narrowly 51-45 among those who made their decision in the last week. so it's not just a clinton campaign who has to ask what they didn't see in this electorate but pollsters who gave her an enormous lead. there's nothing in this data would suggest that she ever had an enormous lead. >> it was an open primary. when you have an open primary, your mother said if you left the door open, there's a draft. if you have an open primary, you have independents and bernie sanders is winning independents 70-28. that's another problem for her. >> but, donna, you think this should be a surprise? >> i'm just saying you want to know why the pollster may have underestmated. they may have oversampled democrats and you don't have enough democrats to offset --
>> i just want to say one thing, you don't know what impact the debate had on sanders supporters. >> my point, though, is if it had a bigi itdebate, you'd see wider gap -- i think it struck a wider gap on the auto bailout. >> it's the first time we have some votes coming in from idaho. 3% of the vote is in. ted cruz has a lead right now at 38.5%. marco rubio is in second place with 28.4%. donald trump in third place, 22.3%, john kasich is in fourth place with 7%. but this is very, very early. cruz maintained a lead of 447 votes over marco rubio right now but once again, very early. these are the first votes we're getting in from the idaho
republican primary. >> let's continue the conversation. >> i was saying there's something i'm seeing in the math bigger than any topic we discussed tonight. and i don't have a fancy computer here. the republicans will have about 1.5 million votes in aggregate, the democrats about 1 million. donald trump when it finishes tonight if the math holds about 525,000 votes. the winning candidate on the democratic side in a two-person race is going to get less at about 500,000. we're seeing donald trump with more actual votes in a four-person race than the democrat in the two-person race. and michigan is a snapshot of the industrial midwest. we're going to see ohio and pennsylvania go the exact same way. you've got hillary clinton losing to bernie sanders. from the trump campaign, this is shocking and it's a dream
because you've got hillary clinton doing three things wrong, running badly were blue collar voters, very badly with pha african-americans in the north and a depressed turnout. >> first of all, i haven't gotten ahold of them but i've just been watching it on tv. hillary clinton is not getting beat with african-americans in the north. >> i said doing badly. >> she's 51-49. >> she's losing to bernie sanders. >> if we step back and really want to look at the numbers, one thing that we did find out is that hillary clinton is delegates closer to the nomination. hillary clinton walks away with the delegate basket. she walks away with what's most important. >> you don't think there's any troubling signs for a general election for hillary clinton tonight? >> yes, she's going to have some difficulty and she has to recalibrate the messaging when you go through this rust belt. anyone watching these polls has to understand that.
>> what does that mean recalibrate the messaging? we've seen her already be criticized for her position on tpp, she's now talking about chaw backs, and she was criticized for flip-flopping on nafta in 2008. >> i don't think it's a question of flip-flopping. i this i what hillary has been doing is talking to that progressive streak in the democratic party, going out and talking to those voters. whether or not that was enough tonight in michigan is still to be seen as we still have votes coming in. this is all of a sudden not just -- this is not a total reversal of the democratic primary. >> there shall be no clarity tonight and the democrats have come through. here's the problem i think hillary faces going forward is that bernie always had enough money and rationale and enough of the chunk of that obama coalition with young voters to move forward and make his case, right?
well, now when he's a winner, people respond to a winner and even among minority communities there aren't a ton of ideological hurdles when it comes to bernie. >> i think, andy, you're more right than wrong when you point out that are some holes in the tire that she needs to be aware of. i don't think that she's running badly with the african-americans, i think you overstate that point. >> in the north i think she is. >> she won 66%. >> van, go on. >> see, that's what donald trump does. >> i think you overstate that she's running badly but i think there are some holes in the tire here. i think if i'm in the hillary camp tonight, this debate tomorrow is very, very important for her. she's going to be walking out on stage and in all likelihood having actually lost ground with african-americans and having lost a big fight in the north and with ohio coming.
so i do think that this is one of those moments where there's a gut check time. i don't think it destroyed her to do that cheap shot on bernie, but what it did, it made a lot of people, i mean a lot of people say this is the stuff we hate about the clintons, a cheap shot below the belt right at the buzzer, you are don't have to do stuff like that. if it cost them a point, if it cost them two, that's the kind of stuff you can't afford to do. she's got a big authenticity problem tonight and it showed up tonight. >> barack obama did terribly with working class white voters. the good news for the democratic party is every four years there are fewer of those voters as share of the electorate. hillary clinton will not win working class white voters. there was a piece in politico that suggested for donald trump to beat her given how miserable he'd do with african-americans, latinos and women, he would need
70% of the white vote. it's a problem that has fundamentally to did with the macro elections. >> as thrilled, you a feel the trump people are with michigan on the democratic side, i'm sure there are people on the clinton side who are thrilled with the results on the republican side, too because donald trump they view as their turnout machine. he's a guy who is going to galvanize democrats, because he's been such a polarizing figure in this race. at least that's their theory. we'll see how it plays out. >> but there's a lot of people underestimating other people for a long time. can you argue the clinton campaign early on underestimated bernie sanders and certainly a lot of people underestimated donald trump. >> i'm out of the prediction business with donald trump. i do think the hurdles he has with minority communities are
very, very high. >> when you see the sale of donald trump pinatas all over latino neighborhoods in the united states, you get a bit of a sense and the record breaking registration numbers, you get a little bit of sense they're predicting he's not going to do well with latino voters. >> at the end of the day, donald trump in my judgment and i've run a national campaign -- >> yes, you have. >> so have you, young man. >> you made my night just there. i'm a young man. >> you know i'm sitting next to you for a purpose. but donald trump in my judgment will make some of these rust belt states a lot more competitive because of his ability, i do believe, to galvanize and to speak to that anger, as you say, van that, pain. but don't underestimate black folks. black folks in the north vote differently than black folks in the south. you can't pander to them. you got have a strong economic message. >> you have to have 49.9% for
ted cruz has been maintaining his lead over donald trump, marco rubio in third place, john kasich in fourth place with 8.1%. let's take a look at michigan right now. it's narrowed a little pbit. bernie sanders is ahead with 92% of the vote in, 49.9% for bernie sanders, hillary clinton 48.1%. so it's a little bit tighter but bernie sanders maintaining his lead. let's walk over to john king. 92% of the precincts reporting, 8% still outstanding. here as the question. can she overcome this lead that he has? >> can she, yes? will she? that's why we count 'em. this is fun. it's not fun if you're sitting in clinton or sanders' campaign headquarters or if you're a big supporter of either one but this
is why we count them. why won't you call it? why won't you call it? we like to, cautious and count the votes. 18% of wayne county, this is where hillary clinton wanted to get a big, big turnout of african-americans. she's winning the county just shy of 60%. we have to see what's still out there and how big of a vote she gets when that comes in. there's enough math if you have some big precincts come in to make up some ground. i think donna brazile just made this point, if you look out here in grand rapids, bernie sanders is winning comfortably so far. the question is what's out? i don't have that information at the moment. if you look at the african-american population, where hillary clinton has been running up the score, not as much as in the south, there is a significant percentage of african-americans. there's a possibility that even
though bernie sanders so far is winning quite well in this county, watch this margin. if this holds up as this vote comes, in bernie sanders likely will have a narrow victory. if it starts to go down, hillary clinton could have a narrow victory. more votes for him in kent county. it's not as big a population center. and you can find a few other places like this. kalamazoo is in at 100%. 27%, 28% still to be counted. there are some sanders votes there in ingham county. we're up to 92% of the state. most of this is in. you'll find a few counties up here. you keep looking, 100%, 100%. you hunt around. in the marquette area, could be a couple more votes up there.
it may matter in a race this close. the largest pool of volts still out. this is slowly starting to come in. we're getting chunks every 15, 20 minutes or so after a long way. detroit is a big one, mccomb county, oakland county is in at 100%. genesee county, very close. this is why we count them. 91%. >> he's increased his lead a little bit, 50.4%. abo about 24,000 votes or so,
27,000. as far as the delegates, bernie sanders said a win is a win but they're basically going to split the delegates because it's that close. >> donna brazile can explain this better than me. in some of the african-american congressional and state districts, there's a few bonus delegates the democratic party awards. it's possible hillary clinton could lose the state by a couple hundred votes or a thousand votes and either come out in a tie or slightly ahead in the delegates. it's generally a split when it comes to the delegates, no question about that. hillary clinton is getting most of the delegates out of mississippi tonight because she won with 83% of the vote there. she's going to get the bulk of the delegates there. this is what's important to bernie sanders, to end the night with this sanders blue, even by the narrowest of margins. next week you have illinois and ohio. bernie sanders wants to send a
message, secretary clinton, don't celebrate too soon. very important despite the margins that stay sanders blue because of the important psychological message it would send to his campaign. hillary clinton would like to come back. it's like drawing to an inside straight. >> hohio and missouri with similar demographics. >> this was in the 9:00 hour before the results were quite so clear in michigan, the race was closer there. she was talking a lot about donald trump. let's listen. >> you can't be talking about building walls or turning the clock back. we have to build on what made america great in the first place, our energy and optimism, our openness and creativity. nobody works harder than americans. nobody innovates better. nobody dreams bigger.
and if we work together, i know america will outcompete anybody anywhere in the world. >> that was hillary clinton earlier. it's interesting that she chose to come out while donald trump was giving his speech. do you think that's intentional? all the networks were carrying the donald trump speech. do you think she didn't want to necessarily get a lot of coverage tonight? >> well, i don't know about that. i don't know any politician who doesn't want to get coverage. >> they usually time these things. they all have television. they know who else is on. >> who knows how long a donald trump press conference will go. >> that's true. >> clearly she got out there knowing it wasn't going to be the story she's necessarily wanted it to be. i can't stress enough what we've been saying all night, which there are two things here, one is the optics and the other is the reality of the delegates. the reality of the delegates, she's in a very strong position.
on the optics, if it flips one way, it will be a bigger night for bernie, if it flips another, the fact it's such a close race, a lot of people will go to bed. not too many. >> a lot of people are tweeting saying now can bernie win? i think it's important for people to understand. he can't just do these like winning by a half a percentage of a half of a point. he would have to start winning by 60 to 40. that's tough. >> that's why this narrative of everybody piling on and saying, oh, my god, now hillary clinton is all of a sudden the titanic is not the case by any stretch. you got to get through this first. she still actually stretches her delegate lead out. she still had a resounding, whopping victory in mississippi. she still has some wind in her sails. this reminds me not just new hampshire of number in 2008, but
two weeks ago, everybody was ready to throw everybody out and fire -- >> we started the evening saying is this bernie's last stand, right? >> and it could have been. >> and it could have been and it not. >> it changes the race. >> the elongates the race. >> i hate agreeing with anybody from your camp. >> thank you, van. >> i do think that a sober reflection and you probably see similar similarly, i do say a sober reflection would have to say there are some troubling signing here. i think the turnout numbers being low, i don't like that. between having the first woman with a real shot and having a bernie that our numbers would be coming out bigger. >> that's the thing paul begala
was saying keeps him up at night. >> i want to use a word that peter used before, which was authenticity. i was watch being secretary clinton's speech. and it still the case that sanders seems very authentic when he speaks. it's almost -- you get a sense that there's no filter through which his words are passing. you don't get that sense many times with hillary clinton. she works off of a prompter, a lot of the phrases she uses are kind of typical political phrases. the more she can get away from that and connect with real language -- >> but how long have been been saying that? hasn't that lesson been learned? yet it doesn't seem to be incorporated. >> she's not an inspirational
figure. maybe democrats have gotten used to somewhat of a remarkable orator. she's not someone who inspires people. young people are inspired by passion -- >> and authenticity. >> and she's not bringing that. the thing the democrats have going for them this time is the high likelihood now that it is essentially a race between donald trump and ted cruz that they will be able to manufacture that passion in a negative way. >> let's take a quick break. we're going to continue this conversation and continue looking at the numbers action they come in, both michigan and idaho. we'll be right back. totally bl. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. our progressive direct rate... we let you compare great deals for reals! ...and our competitors' rates side-by-side, so you know you're getting a great deal. saving the moolah. [ chuckles ] as you can see, sometimes progressive isn't the lowest. not always the lowest! jamie. what are you doing? -i'm being your hype man.
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we're now ready to make a major projection. bernie sanders is the winner in the michigan democratic primary. this is an upset. none of the polls going in thought he was going to win. the two campaigns thought hillary clinton was going to win. bernie sanders, though, emerges as the winner in the michigan democratic primary beating hillary clinton. let's take a look at the vote where it stands right now. bernie sanders with 50% of the vote. he's 21,539 votes ahead of hillary clinton with 96% of the vote in. bernie sanders has clearly upset hillary clinton in michigan. take a look at the map. you see on the right the dark blue states are the states that hillary clinton has captured so far in this election cycle.
she has now won 12 states earlier tonight. she won in mississippi. so far bernie sanders has won nine states with michigan. so it's a contest out there. i want to go to cnn's brianna keilar. i don't even think the bernie sanders campaign thought they were going to win in michigan, did they? >> reporter: no, they didn't. from the get-go i was speaking to an aide who said it's nice to be ahead, even if it's just for a little while. that tells you they really didn't expect this. this is a stunning upset. this is a big campaign event. it was hours ago, that has long since been broken down. bernie sanders came out to speak at around 7:30 eastern and was off the stage before initial results even started coming in from michigan because the expectation is that he was going to lose. it speaks volumes. with you there was a sense among
the campaign aides that there was a chance for him to give hillary clinton a run for her money by traveling the state. they felt he would go places and people would respond to him. it sort of begs this question, even though the delegate math is still very much in hillary clinton's favor, it certainly begs the question if she is struggling in, for instance, michigan, against someone who has so much energy in their events, is really pulling in a lot of supporters, a big following, how would she perform against donald trump who has so much energy and has a big following? this is a question going forward. >> you can only imagine, briana, what that crowd would be doing right now if they were still there waiting for bernie sanders to deliver a victory speech been but as you collectrrectly point they didn't think he was going to win. bernie sanders beats hillary clinton in michigan.
anderson cooper, back to you. >> a huge victory for the sanders campaign. you can make the argument about delegates but this should not be something that's taken away from bernie sanders. >> no. and the question is what does it portend for the week to come. you take a state like ohio where the african-american population is actually smaller than the voting population than in michigan or a state like missouri, and you wonder whether he can't make some noise in those states as well. i still think in illinois, larger african-american vote, a state she has some ties to, florida, are going to be tougher states for bernie sanders, but he's clearly going to be hanging around here and she's going to have to contend with him for some time to come. >> there's something larger going on -- go ahead. >> i was going to say it's an open primary, ohio. and northern ohio really is like michigan. so this should scare the clinton folks, if anything. maybe they should drink what axelrod is drinking or have that apple because they're going to
have to put a lot more boots on the ground in order to, i think, win back the share of delegates needed in some of the northern states. north carolina will be good, florida, illinois, but missouri, ohio -- >> clearly hillary clinton had hoped to start to pivot toward donald trump or whoever the nominee is. >> that was a mistake. wishful thinking. >> we've been hearing that in her victory speeches over a number of weeks. clearly that has to be delayed. >> she's done a good job of recognizing this party was going left and she got ahead of it. but she ultimately grew up in a very different democratic party. the democratic party is really transforming itself. bernie sanders reminds me of eugene mccarthy, a harbinger of things to come. even after eight years of barack
obama, the fundamental structural injustices that theythey see in society have not changed so many have concluded we need a more radical policy shift if we're going o to do something about it. that's what bernie sanders is offering, what elizabeth warren is offering. >> with bernie sanders, there's no question about what he stands for and when his message is. it's the same thing with donald trump, there's no question about what his message is. the hillary clinton i grew up television watching was a very different centrist, third way democrat hike her husband and she has made this pivot before everybody's eyes over this past year, more so than we've heard because of course she was secretary of state and when she was first lady politics were different in the democratic party and also when she was a
senator. so this question of who is she and what does she stand for and do we trust her and does she really care about people like me resonates, particularly with younger voters. >> we're getting some more information about exit polls. let's go to wolf. >> you're looking closely at an amazing win for bernie sanders in michigan. how did he do it? >> well, david, you can answer that question and as you do, explain how exactly the voters broke down in terms of what they were looking for and why that led to bernie sanders winning. >> just before i get into the numbers, we should just note this is a really significant win. >> sure is. >> the clinton camp is correct about the delegates. this is a psychological boost in a key state and it just means that the clinton campaign can't shake this nomination season for that much longer now. >> and just to put a button on that point, even yesterday and
the day before it seemed as though hillary clinton was trying rhetorically to turn towards the general election, talking more and more about donald trump and other republicans and she still has to make sure she wins the democratic primary first and that's more abundantly clear tonight. >> so let's take a look at what fueled his victory here in michigan. among those voters tonight in the michigan democratic primary who were very worried about the u.s. economy, a little more than a third say they were very worried, he won them by 16 points, 56% to 40%. now let's take a look at the next area of his support, which is that international trade takes away u.s. jobs. if you're a voters that believes international trade takes away u.s. jobs, which a majority of michigan democratic voters are, sands are wins though by 13%, 56% to 43%. if you are a voter who said today that you care about people like me, that's the kind of
candidate i'm looking for, 54% went for staanders, 42% went fo clinton and if you're looking for han honest and trustworth er candidate, 80% went to sanders, 19% went for clinton. that's what fueled his victory tonight. >> it's also a warning sign, wolf, if she does get the nomination and she is up against donald trump, michigan the past few election cycles has been pretty solidly democratic. not anymore if that is going to be the matchup. she should be very concerned about that state and other states that look like that demographically. >> bernie sanders' win tonight in michigan means this is going to go on and on this democratic contest. it's by no means over by any means. anderson, back to you. >> it's interesting to see, again that, honest and
trustworthy things comes up in bernie sanders' favor whereas in mississippi it played much better for hillary clinton this time. >> she destroyed them in mississippi. there's no category she did not win. but that does bring thup this issue, which is starting to show up online, of her winning red states that democrats are not going to win anyway and bernie doing well in blue states and swing states. that's something i'd like to know more about. but if she seems to be stronger in some of these swing states that are going to be the bellwether, she should pay attention, assuming that bernie is not going to win 60/40, and he's not going to get the nomination, if you assume that true, some don't assume it's true, if you are weak where you have to win against bernie sanders, that's a bad sign. am i wrong? ? i think that relies on one premise which is stallfalse, whs
the party will be fractured going into november. we have the unifying chief when he decides to come out of his bullpen over there to bring the party back together. >> and michelle obama. >> that's who i was talking about. and if michelle obama happens to bring barack obama, that's fine, too. i want to talk about the turnout for one quick second. people like to harp on this turnout. i have to go back to 2000. it's not that long ago. we had back-to-back democratic presidencies and in the republican primary, 3 million more voters came out during that primary. we know what happened. donna brazile knows what happened very well. al gore won the popular vote. he may not have won the presidency but he won the popular vote. it's somewhat of a red herring to go down this path of voter turnout when we have an election that is the exact same election, just 16 years ago. >> let me tie these two races
together. the establishments are running side bars and giving you info graphics of how this can all come out. it's not playing to the people who want to be excited about these races. i think that's the problem that the establishment on both sides has. you were talking about hillary clinton flip-flopping a lot and people not be sure if she cares about their problems but i'm having deja vu about mitt romney. when it comes to honesty and understanding problems, he's the only person underperforming hillary clinton. >> she may have a romney problem in a general election because she's going to have to run back to the middle. >> i'm not really sure that she does. >> that's a good point. >> one of the things that we see here is among working class whites, as well as the minority community, there are deep concerns about how the american economy runs. i'm not sure it's a niche issue
of the left to say this is a problem. i think bernie sanders has done her a favor by focusing her on these issues. she'll be a stronger candidate in the fall for having embraced that notion because i think this is the defining issue of our time for many, many americans. >> which is why you're hearing people saying choose elizabeth warren. she has to do something to get in front of this economic issue and she has to do something to rouse the base. she may not choose a running mate to the center, she may choose someone who gives people a reason to be passionate on her own side. >> van mentioned this red state narrative popping up on social media a lot. barack obama did the same thing. barack obama went through the south and dominated and then this narrative came out in 2008 and said, oh, my god, barack obama can't win michigan, he didn't win michigan before, but
that narrative is another red herring. hillary clinton is taking the same path to the nomination that barack obama did in 2008 be. we have to recognize that as well. >> and let's go back to the so-called battleground states, colorado, new hampshire, bernie sanders, now michigan, florida, north carolina still to come. we don't know yet that red state/blue state. i would tell my friends just chill out a little bit. but, anderson, as a super delegate, i love this. >> you love this. >> the longer it goes on, the more love i am going to receive. i'm going to get love, love, love. bring it on. more people will participate. i think that helps the democratic party, more states will weigh in, more states that the democrats need in the fall, more people will get passionate
about this, register to vote. >> that's the headline "donna brazile big winner." >> i just like love. >> what would or should hillary clinton do differently in order to ensure a victory in ohio -- >> here's what i would not do. i heard comments around the room how she has to refocus on the primary. if that means she has to go after bernie sanders harder, i don't think that's what she needs did. >> no, no. >> i don't think she's making a mistake by focusing on the general election, she has to be more authentically focused on the economic issues so people have a sense she's really hearing them and feeling their experience. >> we have to get a break in. we're watching the numbers closely coming in from idaho. also looking to see who comes in second in idaho, ted cruz in second. a very close now for second. we'll be right back. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.
welcome back to our views in the united states and around the world. an exciting night in american politics. let's take a look at the winners right now. donald trump won both of the republican contests. so far donald trump is the whipper in mississipwhic mississippi and michigan. bernie sanders with a major upset, he is the winner in michigan. bernie sanders coming really from nowhere, all of a sudden is
the winner in michigan, a very impressive win for bernie sanders in michigan. we there's a contest in idaho, 44% of the vote is now in. it's a republican primary. in democratic contest in idaho on this night. ted cruz has a solid lead, 41.6% to donald trump's 28.9%. ted cruz has a lead of about 9,300 votes. in michigan we projected that donald trump is the winner. we did that a while ago. 36 point %, but look at this fight for second place. 24 point % for ted cruz. marco rubio is down at 9.3%. he doesn't get that