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been the proper with beating trump. plurality. -- i think ted cruz safely makes the argument that he should be the guy even if the calendar is not demographically friendly to him, which it's not. another interesting point on the sprk, republicans are looking down the barrel of a possible hillary clinton presidency or a likely nominee of donald trump, who is a bit of a wildcard. ted cruz would be a very safe choice, and you would know he would pick someone safely right of center. justice am rosa, he's put out a couple names, but it would be hard to trust that. barry a yes or know question, outright, are you as the trump campaign glad to have two people remaining? or would you rather it be one on one? give me an honest answer. >> i think one on one is fine.
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either way is fine. >> again nonplussed. >> not impressed. >> i do endorse ted cruz for the supreme court, no. >> there you go. >> i'm going to create a barry bennett emoji, not impressed. [ laughter ] thanks, guys for joining us. ashleigh banfield starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield, welcome to "legal view." after the presidential candidates, it's about to be the most talked-about name in washington. that name is merrick garland. take it in. he is a u.s. court of appeals judge in the washington, d.c. circuit. and president obama has just announced that merrick garland is the man that he is putting
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forward to replace the late supreme court justice antonin scalia. he is nowhere near that job yet. in fact, he has a hell of a ride ahead of him with a lot of obstacles to say the very least. i say that, as you know any supreme court nominee has one big step before you get that chair. it's the approval of the united states senate. the senate right now is controlled by republicans, whose leader swears up and down, even this morning, that no name put up by president obama will even be considered at this juncture. here's the president and his nominee just a short time ago. >> this is the greatest honor of my life other than lynn agreeing for marry me 28 years ago. it's also the greatest gift i've ever received except, and there's another caveat, the birth of our daughters jessie and becky.
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as my parents taught me by both words and deeds, a life of public service is as much a gift to the person who serves as it is to those he is serving. and for me there could be no higher public service than serving as a member of the united states supreme court. trust that justice will be done in our courts without prejudice or partisanship is what in a large part distinguishes this country from others. people must be confident that a judge's decisions are determined by the law and only the law. for a judge to be worthy of such trust, he or she must be faithful to the constitution and to the statutes passed by the congress. he or she must put aside his personal views or preferences and follow the law, not make it. i've select add nominee who is widely recognized not only as one of the america's sharpest
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legal minds, but someone who brings to his work a spirit of decency, modesty, integrity, evenhandedness, and excellence. these qualities and his long commitment to public service have earned him the respect and administration of leaders from both sides of the aisle. he will ultimately bring that same character to bear on the supreme court. >> so those are the facts, that's the action and here's the crowd to talk about it. cnn's pamela brow, michelle kosinski is standing by, manu raju is live on capitol hill, where the name "merrick garland" is no doubt buzzing through the has of the u.s. senate and our taupe legal analyst who knows the judge personally, jeffrey toobin. pamela, one republican senator said any supreme court nominee, quote, will look like a pinata, meaning he'll get the stuffing
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knocked out of him. is president obama setting judge garland up, knowingly so -- there are no idiots here on the lawn -- to fail. >> i think the calculus here, ashleigh is there was garland's last chance to be on the high court. he's been considered a front-runner before, didn't get the spokes, so he really has nothing to lose here. and yes, you're right. republican senators have said they are not going to hold a hearing, but i think the president's calculus is if they'll hold a hearing for, it might be merrick garland. he's 63 years old regard than someone sfm significantly younger, and he's garnered support, we know senator hatch has come out and praised him, so i think the president's calculus
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is if anyone has a chancist garland. perhaps come november during the lame duck, he would be someone republicans would push through more readily if hillary clinton is elected. i think all of this factored in and he wouldn't get as muddied up as another as sri srivistan. >> who's in his 40s and has a long career ahead of him. michelle kosinski, dig deep into the optics. if this is politics playing out and this is sort of the sacrificial lamb of sorts, there sure seemed to be a lot of emotion on the part of judge garland when he took to the microphone. >> that was unexpected from this person who spent nearly 20 years on the bench, somebody who is so respected on the world of law, to see that human side.
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i notice the white house wanted to hammer that point home. this is a person who is well liked, as well as well respected. he has decency as well as brilliance. you heard his voice crack several times. merrick garland's voice, when he was saying how much this nomination means to him. i don't think too many were expecting that much emotion in the rose garden. it was certainly touching. that was interesting after the fact. you see a lot of tweets going around saying people feel sorry for him, you know, what is to be his face now? now that he's kind of thrown to the wolves of politics after this very nice day in the rose garden. so now we're hearing from republicans, we heard from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell shortly after the announcement, you know, that it is the president who's politicizing this. that's his take on this, that this should not even be a nomination right now. el republicans are turning democrats' words from the past
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against them, including vice president biden's. in fact they're calling it the biden rule that he said years ago this just shouldn't happen during the political season, that the nomination shouldn't happen. now it's republicans' turn to take those words and really use them against the white house and against top democrats who have been fighting so hard to at the very least make it to the hearing stage, which now looks extremely unlikely. now the back-and-forth begins with merrick garland left in the middle. sort of swaying in the winds. >> the wolves of pot tick. guess what i just got? i go the the rep national committee's statement -- president obama 'decision denies the american people a voice in this process. for more than 80 years there has not been a nomination and confirmation of a supreme court justice in a presidential election year, and now is not the time to break with
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bipartisan practice. those words are carefully crafted practice and nomination and confirmation in 40 years. manu raju, jump in on this. this is the rnc, but you're starting to hear loss of whispers, even shouts in those has right now about the fact what we heard will not change. there will not only be a hearing, there won't be a meeting. >> ashleigh there won't even be a background check. i was talking to femme people who sit on the commit year. there's typically a an fbi background check, to make sure they haven't done anything wrong. that won't even happen now, john cornyn said they won't even go through the process, because they don't want to make it look like they're trying to make it nomination forward. presumably they would have a chance to shine, move forward in the process and there would be a lot of pressure to give them a
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confirmation vote. they would rather stop it right at the door. merrick fp garland was confirmed in 1997. after at that time seven republican senators still sitting in the sonar, those seven senators actually voted for merrick garland, including senator orrin hatch, who had this to say about him, talking about merrick garland in 1997. >> based on his qualifications, i support the nomination of mr. garland, and i encourage my colleagues to do the same. to my knowledge, no one, absolutely no one disputes the following -- merrick garland is highly qualified to sit on the d.c. circuit. his intelligence and scholarship cannot be questioned. >> now, hatch has said that things have changed now. he put out a statement saying really agreeing with senator mcconnell, and chuck grassley, saying i think highly of judge
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garland, but his nomination doesn't in any way change current circumstances. those circumstances being that the republicans just will not consider a nominee, no matter who he is. some is republicans in touch reelection races will feel a lot of pressure, mark crook, the illinois republicans put out a statement saying he wants to consider a nomination. he was one of the toughest in the country. i just talked to kelly ayotte, a new hampshire senator also in a tough race, she says she's willing to meet with judge garland, but does not think the process should go forward. so you're hearing a bit of division within the republican ranks, but for the most part by and large they are united behind the position to not move forward with the confirmation process. they're going to take it to voters and hope republicans reward them with a senate republican majority that could prevent a liberal justice from being confirmed, ashleigh. >> it's always interesting to see each party tossing in the
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positive words about the gnome near. listen, it's the same with the biden rule, they're tossing the biden rule in. republicans are saying it's biden him self-getting so close to a convention srcht the right thing to do. i'm paraphrasing. i want to read more of the statement. at the president obama is doing a disselfto the voter with an attempt to tip the balance of the court can a liberal justice in the 11th hour of his presidency. we will not stand by idly while president obama attempts to installed a liberal majority on the court to further undermine our constitution and protect his lawless actions. so that's a lot to digest all at once, but i want to bring in jeffrey toobin about that. the notion that he's installing a liberal justice. you know this particular judge, and that he's doing a disservice to the voters with a lib regaer
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majority. >> certainly the rnc is correct, that this seat is an unusually important vacancy on the supreme court. with justice scalia's death, there are now four republican appointees and up for democratic appointees. by and large they split along those lines in controversial cases, so the stakes in this seat are enormous. >> is the rnc right about undermining the constitution and being lawless? i understand it's a practice, it's 40 years old, it's happened before. there's been nominations and confirmatio confirmations. >> we elect presidents to four-year terms in the united states, and they serve four years. they don't stop becoming president in their fourth year. and presidents have exercised this power. you talk about parsing that statement. they say there's been no
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nomination and confirmation in the last year of a president, but there has been a confirmation. anthony kennedy was confirmed in 1998, in the year thaep george w. bush was -- george h.w. bush was running to succeed him. >> excuse me. it was reagan's last year. >> this is really about political power. it's about the republicans saying we are not giving barack obama this seat, and it's the democrats trying to impose a political cost on the vulnerable republican senators who go along with that view, the kelly ayottes and mark kirks, who will have to answer why won't you give this guy a fair shake. the one thing you can say about merrick garland is that he is a very qualified candidate. >> unilaterally everyone is saying qualified.
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>> that issue is off the table, so the defense for the republicans' action has to be entirely about the process. >> i have to leave it about, but jeff toobin thank you, and michelle, manu, and also as always pamela brown. i appreciate all of your quick input on this breaking story. for merrick garland, what we just saw at the white house was the very, very easy part of all of this. his confirmation fight, if he even gets to the process will be a whole other kettle of fish. i'll be joined by one senator to say he's eager to consider the nomination, and good es what? he is not a democrat. this is the all-new 20wow, it's nice.. let's check it out. do any of you have kids? i do yes. this car has a feature built in called teen driver technology, which lets parent's see how their teens are driving. oh, that's smart. it even mutes the radio until the seat belt is fastened. will it keep track of how many boys get it in the car?
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the next justice could fundamentally alter the direction of the supreme court and have a profound impact on our country. so of course, of course, the american people should have a stay in the court's direction. it is a president's constitutional right to nominate a supreme court justice and it's the senate's constitutional right to act as a check on a
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president and whole its consent. our breaking news, president obama announcing just moments ago the name of a federal appellate judge, merrick garland, as his choice to be the next supreme court justice. the president's nomination faces an approval process, though, that begins with a senate committee that is resistant, to say the least, to take a pick from him in this election year. senator angus king is an independent from maine. he's kind enough to join me live now from capitol hill. thank you so much for taking the time. i'm sure you're digesting his particular pick, his background, merits, qualifications, and then of course the politics and the place where you're standing, where do you see this going? >> i'm starting just where you said, which is to try to digest the background, the qualities of implicate and judicial knowledge of judge garland, who i don't know much about. frankly i think that's the job
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of all of us around here in the next few weeks. i agree with mish mcconnell. it's the president's still right, i believe nomination to -- and i think it's our obligation to give it due consideration. i believe we should have a hearing, we should have discussion, we should have debate. let the american people see what justice garland is like, put him through hearings, ask him tough questions, and then we should make a decision. that's the way the process is supposed to work. >> what you're saying to me, and i want to hear it in your words, that mitch mcconnell is wrong and his colleges on the senate judiciary committee and are refusing even so much as an office meeting in your building with this candidate, they are wrong not to give him a hearing? >> of course they're wrong. the constitution says the president nominates with the advice and consent of the senate. to just say we're not even going to talk to this person, not even
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going to meet with him, i think doesn't make sense, and i think it's a violation of our obligation. >> i understand that art wholeheartedly, but i also understand there have been four decades of tradition where there hasn't been a supreme court nominee both nominated and approved in the same year during an election year where politics are hot and frustrating and voters -- they may have their attention elsewhere? >> here's the problem with that argument. the president of the united states is ecelebritied for four yours. the constitution says fours years, it doesn't say three years and one month or three years and two months. mitch mcconnell says the people should speak. they spoke. they elected this president twice. he was elected for a four-year term and he has an obligation to nominate a member of the supreme courtsh. >> sir, with all due respect, i have a copy of the constitution on my desk, there is nothing in there about the tradition. constitution yes, sir, advice an consent, that's your job, but the tradition has been that
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politics are ugly and that that final year should be sacrosaint. >> so, you know, you can define tradition as 10, 20, 30 years, i wasn't here then. i just go by what the constitution says. i think our job is to consider the nominee. nobody says mitch mcconnellor anybody else has to vote for the nominee, but to simply say i'm not even going to meet with him we're not going to let the american people get acquainted with the nominee. i just don't get that frankly. i don't understand that impulse to slam the door. i think that's not consist president. >> always a pleasure, sir. thank you for taking the time. after the break we are back to the presidential race.
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a huge win we project. >> we have a long way to go, but i think at some point it's going to get done. >> two florida titans neither won the florida primary.
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>> while this may not have been a year for a hopeful and optimistic message, i still remain hopeful and optimistic about america. >> for those who supported marco who worked so hard, we welcome you with open arms. >> cnn projects that john kasich is the winner of the ohio republican presidential primary. >> i have to thank the people of the great state of ohio. i love you. that's all i can tell you. he has to prove he can win beyond hi home state. >> hillary clinton wins ohio. bernie sanders, he invested tremendous resources in these races. >> we have defied all expectations. >> she comes out on top. >> we are moving closer to securing the democratic party nomination. they don't call it super tuesday for nothing, even the third time around. now the two top candidates in both parties are certainly moving ahead to the next contest. stronger than ever before. >> for the democrats, you saw
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her. it was hillary clinton now way past bernie sanders with 1,568 delegates under her total after wins in ohio, in illinois, in fla, and in north carolina. i'll get to move move in a moment. bernie sanders, 797 delegates. on the republican side of the race, another huge night for donald trump, with wins in florida, north carolina and illinois, and he now has 640 delegates. with ted cruz trailing behind at 405. john kasich pulling in 138. he had that crucial win in ohio. marco rubio, however, even though he's got the 170, a very disappointing night, dropped out, perhaps not unexpected because of that loss to donald trump in his home state of florida. remember i said missouri? it was just simply too close to call for both parties. so we're still waiting. republicans and democrats align
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still waiting on missouri. hillary clinton, though, using her victory speech last night to focus on her likely opponent in the general election. on donald trump. sure we've heard her attack donald trump before, but this time she mentioned him by name. >> our commander in chief has to be able to defend or country, not embarrass it. when we have a president for, for rounding up 12 million immigrants, banning all muslims from entering the united states, when he embraces torture, that doesn't make him strong. it makes him wrong. you know, to be great, we can't be small, we can't lose what made america great in the first place, and this isn't just about donald trump. all of us have to do our part.
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>> christina shockey joins me now the deputy commune director for hillary for america. obviously she's smiling. >> yes. >> michigan sh-michigan, right? it looked like a five-state -- we waiting on a 0.2 difference between hillary clinton and bernie sander. but four states ain't bad. >> she won stamplgally. she just had an exceptional night. i have to say that she moved ahead again in the delegates. we 300-plus delegates ahead of senator sanders, so she has a commanding lead. >> which may by wee she started using some of that language before, started if -- so she's back to talking lieutenant like the candidate again, but you have to throw out -- i think
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it's significant to see this trend. in each of the states that went to the polls yesterday. all down in voter turnout. look at ohio. 49% down. what? and look at the republicans, all green arrows. every one of those states and up, and up by a lot. i get it, i know what was going on in ohio, everybody talked about people coming out either for trump, wimping over from democrats or switching over from democrats to block him. that could happen in the general as well. >> well, you know, what happens in a primary isn't a great predictor of what's going to happen in the general election. usually the party in the white house has lower turnout in the primaries. there just tends to be more attention on the other side of it. so historically, this is what happened and it's not a great predictor of what's going on happen in the general election. >> you don't think so? >> you know -- >> you don't think it's a predictor? >> you know, president obama lost pennsylvania, lost ohio,
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and came back to win both of those states in the general. >> a million votes different. that's an election sometimes. look at bush/gore. >> the person who received the most votes than any candidate is hillary clinton. 8.4 million americans have come out to support her to president. 2.5 million more han senator sanders, hundreds of thousands more than donald trump. she has the most enthusiastic. >> big smiles, and the next -- will you come back? and we'll see if the smiles remain. >> thank you. later we'll talk to a supporter of bernie sanders, and we'll find out if the smiles are the same. methinks no. for such a non-conventional year, we're certainly talking a lot about convention, especially on the republican side. that's because republicans who do not like donald trump are running out of pre-convention options. straight ahead, how that party
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john kasich's win in ohio moves the gop to a contested convention. all those states that he keeps winning, he may not in fact get that magical number. 1,237 when he walks in the doors to that convention. you just can't lock up the bit without those numbs berm. if no candidates arrive with
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that majority, then it's called contested. joining mess is mav resten. i have to congratulate you on what can be described as a book on, about how we ended up here and how the republican establishment sort of had its eyes off the ball not even thinking there was a ball, but now that we are here, dodds an actual path they're carrying that could be something we're not expecting? >> i know just talking to donors today there are a lot of discussions going on. what we do know last night is we did still end up with a bit of a muddle and donald trump may not get to that magic number. so the people around john kasich and ted cruz see a path to go forward. ted cruz wants to win it outright as we said on our air this morning, but john kasich would have a difficult situation at the convention, but basically what you have here is all of
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these political strategists studying the rules, trying to figure out whether there's a path going forward for these candidates, and there aren't a lot of people in the political world that even know they see rules how a contested convention would work. it's an amazing moment where the establishment feels they blew it, that they didn't take on donald trump in time, and they tried to take him out in a three-week period with the super-pac attacks. they didn't do as well last night as they wanted to, but this may go on for quite some time. there's big money behind it. the question today is whether people will keep investing in an anti-trump effort because of what happened. >> so there's the next question. investing in anti-trump effort. there were anywhere between $40 and $50 million spent in this last round. we all saw the ads with women reading the ugly thing. it was powerful, but didn't affect yesterday. we've seen ads about foul
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language. we've seen ads about racist comments before. that had no effect, either, so with these kinds of attacks, pointing out this candidate's uniqueness, shall we call it, hasn't worked. surely they have to be thinking about a completely different direction, if they want to put their money towards having an effect, rather than good money after bad. >> i don't think that's -- well, i mean -- i don't think that's necessarily true, in the sense that you think about donald trump, he's been building this brand for decades, and he's had a conversation basically unchallenged with the american people over the last 8 to 9 months. what they donors felt they could do in this short window of time would start to halt hi momentum, even if it was incremental in places like ohio, they had hope for missouri, they had hoped to stop him in north carolina. i think that what some of them feel is they still have not had enough time to define donald trump, that these attacks are still potentially settling in, trump university,
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bankruptcy, the business deals, and that a lot of people even though they know donald trump the public figure don't know a lot about his background. so the question is -- will there be enough money there and people willing to put into this effort to keep going and keep trying to define him? and will that in the end destroy the party and its nominee po templeally? >> mav, you have done an exhaustive job of putting this whole picture from june to now. president obama announcing a short time ago his pick to fill the vacancy and guess what? i now have a chance to speak with amy jeffers. why? she was one a lawyer who worked with judge merrick garland and she knows him personally. thank you so much for springing in and doing this as such last-minute notice. i wanted to ask you about the whole hail mary notion of this announce muppet, the nomination
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process, i'm sure you know as well as anybody else is going to be rock request if it's even going to happen. i'm sure that merrick garland knows that, too. with that in mind, qualify for me this moment. >> so i'm a lawyer, not a political expert, but i have to say that from a lawyer's perspective, he is absolutely an outstanding nominee, and i think that that came through in the ceremony this morning. he is emineptly qualified to serve on the court. if i don't think that anyone would argue with his qualifications. he's had decades of experience on the d.c. circuit, and before that decades of experience as a lawyer, which is a great qualification to bring to the court. so it's just a wonderful day for those of us who have worked for him and for the legal community and i imagine for the court as well. he has personal relationships with many of the other justices. i think that will serve him very well. >> and a personal relationship with justice john roberts.
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a question that some people may not know about judge garland, he made partner in a prestigious firm in d.c. and gave it up to be a junior prosecutors at the doj. i mean, you're giving up hundreds of thousands of dollars for maybe a few tens of thousands of dollars. a lot of people point to that that shows he is absolutely a public servant first. with that in mind, that should tell you something about this guy's cachet. do you think this is a moment -- if it's not the hail mary or not successful, that it would at least show anybody who is against him is against a guy who's like perfect. >> he is perfect. he really is perfect for the court, and you make an excellent point about his going to the u.s. attorney's office to serve as a line attorney, a line prosecutor. you can imagine that that won him a lot of credibility with the office, and there are many people who knew him at the u.s. attorney's office in those days
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who are still very loyal and dedicated to him, and just appreciate how he did give up a partnership to go to that position. but it does show his dedication to public service. i knew him initially at the justice department where i got to see that every day, just the dedication of someone who is such a good lawyer and such an outstanding person as well to work for and to work with on a daily basis. >> i called him judge merrick, and he's judge garland, because i'm still getting used to the two last names to be, but he's no judge judy. let's put it that way. mary -- amy, thank you. never mind. i'm carol -- thank you, aim,jeffers. back to the politics of the day. donald trump promising it's not going to come down to a contested convention, no way. he says he'll win plenty of delegates before them, believe me, i think he added. we'll look into the states that are still in play and hillary clinton with her big night last night, depending on
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presidential candidates are turning their attention to the contests in the week ahead. that includes gop front-runner donald trump, who is looking to these states on your screen after super tuesday part 3. trump picked up three more states as he inches closer to the delegate threshold needed. in the meantime, a person with close ties to the race says he is not ready to support trump. neil bush is the brother of jeb bush and president george w. bush, and also works on the finance team for senator ted cruz. here's what he said to cnn's "new day." >> i don't think he's a uniter. in fact i think he is the most flawed candidate the republican party could put up as its standardbearer, and i would worry very much about containing
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the control of the house, and i think we have an opportunity to not only retain control, but move forward with a positive agenda of reform if we had a real leader that could unite our party in a reaganesque kind of way, and donald trump is not the guy. i'm not really to go to the donald trump coronation. >> let's talk more about the race with scottie hughes. >> hi. good morning. >> i'm sure you're very happy this morning. what a night for you and your camp. i want to ahead you something that haley barber said. he says of donald trump -- a lot of people just want to send washington the bird, and they think that he is the most perfect giant middle finger that they can imagine. i think that's sort of a funny way of saying, you know, that trump supporters are sick of washington, but is that reaganesque? is that the kind of person we want to be in the white house? >> well, let me say this.
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if you look at it. anybody right now doing this antitrump movement is now in the pro-democrat movement. whether you're in the north, south, east or west, whether you're a billionaire or blue collar work are, there is something about mr. trump you can identify, and 7.5 million people, whether they've been lifelong republicans or just crossed over to vote for mr. trump have sat there and taken the abuse and beating by their colleagues. i have seen a more abused group than those that support mr. trump. i come from the dale party. we definitely put up with a lot of. these folks supporting mr. trump are very loyal. it takes a lot it push their button. right now for any republican to insult mr. trump, they have to realize 7.5 million-plus people support him, and you're insulting them.
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>> i think that's fair. i think abuse is no one likes. button pushing, we don't like. with that in mind, i'm going to come right at you, your guy just sent out an instagram about hillary clinton, and i think you can check off each one of those, and i'm going to show you it and ask you about it. take a look. ♪ [ dog barking ] [ laughter ] >> trump, make america great again. i think you get the idea of what the instagram was all about, mocking senator clinton and putting her out of context. with that idea of button pushing and insults, isn't he doing exactly what he's so offended that -- >> it's not only been done to him, but listen to her speech last night.
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if you were listening to it and you weren't scared of her agenda, she wants to sit there and talk about equality, unless you're a conservative voice, which is more of what we've seen the last eight years not only by the establishment, but by the democrats as well. so while we're talking about mr. trump, he's using social media, some of the same games and tactics that have been used the last ten years and just giving it right back to them. i'm sorry, if you're having to bully the bullies, i would rather have the strongest on the block. according to the american people and the vote right now, mr. trump is definitely him, and i'm okay with that. >> scottie neil hughnell hughes good to have you again. >> thank you. bernie sanders just thought four states to hillary clinton and we're not sure about the fifth, because missouri is too close to call. hillary is leading there. bernie is not dwelling on this, though. he's sticking to his talking
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points, staying optimistic about the contests ahead. next week, arizona has a very important election. we will win! well will win if the voters turnout is high. let's make it high. thank you all very much. >> jonathan join me now, author of "the essential bernie sanders." jonathan challenged hillary clinton in the primary contest for her senate seat in new york in 2006. jonathan, thank you so much. last week the headline was michigan, for your guy, and you were all smiles, a terrific day for you. one week later the headline is landslide. this has to be psychologically very difficult for the bernie camp. >> i'm still smiling, can't you
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tell? >> inside? >> look, i think in terms of the delegate math, yes, hillary clinton had a good night last night. she increased her lead. i know people don't like this fact, but hillary clinton does not concede until june, barack obama lost a whole bunch of states. we still have california, washington, utah, next no week. we still have a some path to victory. >> hillary clinton was not down as much as bernie sanders is. you have to admit it's a bit of apples and oranges. >> well, i hear what you're saying. i think it is a tough climb still, no question it's a challenge, but there's totally a path to victory. i think your point you made before, which the clinton campaign dismissed kind of, which i think is wonderful, your point, the low turnout. they are whistling past the
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grave-yard. democrats have to understand if we nominate hillary clinton we have a greater chance of losing the white house because of the low turnout figures which you cited, which has true in contests before. it's bernie sanders exciting the base, exciting independents who are crucial when we face donald trump. so i think actually we still have a chance to make that argument with many, many voters around the country. >> we can put those numbers up as well. i'll tell you. the turnout was unbelievable. in ohio democrats were down 49% while republicans were up 75%. a lot of people say that was democrats moving over either to block trump or support trump. no one actually knows the numbers. but arizona is coming up next week, utah, california, he does very well in california. he hayes a couple states where he does well. again i'm just looking at that turnout and wondering how much of that is the bernie factor, and how what kind of a path does
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he have? what states are you looking at that could change the metric for you? >> both excellent questions. to answer both, one is i do think the excitement. a huge rally that tens of thousands of people. those are the people that we need in a general election? he's the kind of person that will excite them? we do have to win states by big margins, probably 60%, 65% to catch up, no question about that. you mentioned utah, you mentioned washington, which is the 26th. utah is next week on the 22nd. you still have california, which is huge, if i can say "uge." we can bring in lots of delegates. still a lot of opportunity for you to come back and talk to me again. >> i look forward to it, ashleigh, as always. >> thank you. good to see all of you as well. we have a lot to cover, though, with the supreme court
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nomination suggestion coming from coming from the president, to the fall jot of the politics of super super super tuesday, and the fourth super tuesday next week, if you can call it that. wolf blitzer takes over the helm right now. hello, i'm william william, noon in chicagwolf blitzer. thanks very much for joining us. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we begin with breaking news. president obama chooses a nominee for the supreme court, setting the stage for a political showdown. the president made the announcement in a rose garden ceremony just a little while ago, our correspondent pamela brown has more on the president's choice and the challenge to senate republican leaders. >> today i am not naming chief judge merrick garland to


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