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  CNN GOP Presidential Town Hall  CNN  March 29, 2016 10:01pm-10:58pm PDT

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the three remaining republican candidates campaigning hard with the primary here just a week away. we heard so far from senator ted cruz. right now the gop front-runner, new york businessman, donald trump. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. >> hey, how you doing, sir? nice to see you. >> thank you very much. >> have a seat. >> thank you. >> so we got a lot of questions from the audience for you on a lot of policy issues. i got to start off with some news of the day topics. your campaign manager, corey lewandowski charged with simple battery for grabbing a reporter by the arm. will he continue as your campaign manager? >> yes, he will. i looked at the tape. my tape. it was at one of my places. i have great security and great security camera. i gave the tape, and frankly, if you look at that, people have looked at it, in fact, i just left another area of wisconsin, we had a whole big meeting with a whole group of people. big audience. tremendous audience.
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and they're all shaking their heads, give me a break, give me a break. >> let me ask you, though -- >> the answer is yes. by the way, speaking of something else, i watched ted cruz. his home state is not florida. his home state is texas. it may be canada. but to the best of my knowledge, it's texas. so he made that -- i was surprised you didn't correct him, actually. >> let me ask you about lewandowski. initially your campaign said this never happened, there was no video of it. you came out and said you thought this person was, perhaps, making it up, this reporter. lewandowski, himself, tweeted saying "i never met this reporter, i never touched this person." now the videotape shows he clearly did touch this person. whether or not you think it was battery or not -- >> touch, i don't know what touch means. >> he says i didn't touch this person. did he mislead you at all? >> no, not at all. look, i didn't know we had all these security cameras all over. the time i found out, i said, well, this is really wonderful, this exonerates him totally. now -- >> lie or make a mistake? >> something to the effect she almost went to the ground. she was in pain.
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she went to the ground. when she found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed. >> that's not true. he said her story has remained exactly the same. >> really? do you mind if i read you her statement? i mean, give me a break. you know, the problem is everybody dumps people when there's, like, a sign of political incorrectness. i'm just going to read, if i can find it -- >> she said she was almost knocked off balance. >> she said she was almost knocked off balance. here's what she said. you want to read it? you want me to do it? you're a professional announcement. why don't you read it. the bottom part. now that's an exact quote from her prior to seeing the cameras and now she says i better change my story, i guess. >> this quote says "i was jolted backwards, someone grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. i almost fell to the ground, was unable to maintain my balance nonetheless. i was shaken. campaign managers aren't supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground." no, she did not go down on the ground. >> look, before she knows --
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folks, look, i'm a loyal person. i'm going to be loyal to the country, i'm going to be loyal to wisconsin. we have to tell it like it is. it would be so easy for me to terminate this man, ruin his life, ruin his family, four beautiful children in new hampshire, ruin his whole everything and said you're fired. okay? i fired many people, especially on "the apprentice." look at what she says, michelle fields, by the way, is not a baby. in her own worlds, exactly "i was jolted backwards." she's standing there. "someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm. tightly. and yanked me down." she wasn't yanked down. she didn't have an expression. if somebody in this audience gets whacked, gets hurt, including me, you get hurt. there's no emotion. wait a minute. "i almost fell to the ground." she didn't almost fall to the ground. he got in her way. by the way, she was grabbing me. am i supposed to press charges against her? anderson, my arm is just killing me. it's never been the same. >> you suggested you might --
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>> excuse me, excuse me. i didn't suggest. >> yeah, you did. >> i tweeted. no, no, i tweeted. >> a tweet is a suggestion. >> should i press charges? >> are you going to? >> i don't know. maybe i should, right? because you know what, she was grabbing me. and just so you understand, she was off base because she went through the secret service. she had a pen in her hand which secret service is not liking because they don't know what it is, whether it's a little bomb or -- >> does that concern you initially corey lewandowski said he never touched her and turns out not to be true? >> i don't think he knew her. based on what i heard, i don't think he knew who she was. listen to this, "i almost fell to the ground" which is untrue "but was able to maintain my balance." she had no trouble with her balance because it's right on tape. "nonetheless, i was shaken. campaign managers aren't supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground." she didn't go to the ground. she didn't even have an expression on her face. >> you think this is politically motivated? >> it could be. i don't know.
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i look -- i tell you what, a friend of mine who's in law enforcement said to me, there's probably not a detective in the world that would have done what they did to him. i mean, people in syria -- >> the state attorney's a democrat. >> excuse me, excuse me. oh, really? i'm shocked to hear that. you know, you know, people are chopping off heads in the middle east. they're drowning people in cages by 50s. they're drowning -- here's a guy -- shouldn't have been touching me. okay? and you saw that she did that. she was grabbing me. twice. i looked at her. in fact, one of the great pictures is me going like this like get away from me, who is this person? okay? my arm, it's never been the same, folks. never been the same. so let me just tell you, she went through secret service, boom, she grabbed me and he really stepped in front of her. i didn't -- he stepped in front of her. she wasn't supposed to be asking questions because the press conference lasted for 45 minutes and all questions were done and i was walking rapidly out.
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>> second time lewandowski has touched somebody. he did this to a protester, grabbed a guy by the collar. which you actually back up on. another tweet you sent, you sent a tweet about the death toll, the horrible terror attack in pakistan over the weekend.
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>> right. i had the case of a young woman who was unjustly accused by somebody you know very well and i gave her a second chance and i'm very proud of her. she had a tremendous substance abuse problem and i'm very proud of her. i'm proud of the job she did.
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a tweet about the death toll, the horrible terror attack in pakistan over the weekend. >> right. >> you talked an the death toll. you said i alone can solve. >> i know my competition. look, i know my competition. >> you, alone, among the republican candidates. >> i see hillary with benghazi, the famous ad, 3:00 in the morning, guess what, the phone rang, she wasn't there. unless sydney called. >> you're the only one who can solve terror problems in pakistan? >> of the ones who are running, i know the competition. i watched ted cruz. so phony. i know you have couple people out there because he put them in the audience. it's so false. the whole thing -- with the five -- with the five-second intermissions between sentences. no. yes, i think i am the one to be able to solve the problem. >> but, i mean, there's problems in a lot of different countries. the problems in the united states. how can you solve the problems all the way over in pakistan
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when the pakistanis, themselves, are struggling? >> look, pakistan is a very, very vital problem and really vital country for us because they have a thing called nuclear weapons. they have to get ahold of the situation. when i see that and see it put in a park because it was mostly christians, although many others were killed other than christians, i think it's just absolutely a horrible story. but i'm talking about radical islamic terrorism. i will solve it far better than anybody else running. >> let's talk about nuclear issues because you talked about this in a really interesting article. >> one of the very, very big issues. i think maybe the biggest issue of our time. >> that's what you said to "the new york times." you said you worried about the proliferation of nuclear weapons. >> right. >> the most. you also said, though, you might support japan and south korea developing nuclear weapons of their own. isn't that completely contradictory? >> not at all. north korea has nuclear weapons. he doesn't have a carry yet but has nuclear weapons. he soon will have. we don't want to pull the trigger. we have a president, frankly, nobody is afraid of our president. nobody respects our president.
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you take a look at what's going on throughout the world. it's not the country that it was. >> if you're concerned about proliferation, letting other countries get nuclear weapons, isn't that -- >> we owe $19 trillion, we have another $2 trillion because of the very, very bad omnibus budget that was just signed. it's a disgrace. which gives everything that obama wanted. we get nothing. they get everything. so that's going to be $21 trillion. we are supporting nations now, militarily, we are supporting nations like saudi arabia which was making during the good oil days which was a year ago, now they're making less but still a lot. $1 billion a day. we are supporting them, militarily and pay us a fraction, a fraction of what they should be paying us and of the cost. we are supporting japan. most people didn't know we're taking care of japan's military needs. excuse me, we're supporting germany. we're supporting south korea. i ordered thousands of television sets because i am in the real estate business, you know, in my other life, okay.
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>> it's been a u.s. policy for decades to prevent japan from getting weapons. south korea as well. >> can i be honest are you? maybe it's going to be time to change. pakistan has it, china has it. so many other countries -- >> some proliferation is okay? >> no, no, not some. i hate proliferation. i hate nuclear more than any. my professor was an uncle m.i.t. -- >> that's contradictory. >> how many countries have it? excuse me. one of the dumbest deals i've ever seen signed ever, ever, ever by anybody. iran is going to have it within ten years. iran is going to have it. i thought it was a very good interview. at some point we have to say japan is better off if they protect themselves against this maniac in south korea, if -- >> saudi arabia, nuclear weapons? >> absolutely. >> you'd be fine with them having nuclear weapons? >> that have to protect themselves or pay us. with japan, they have to pay us or let them protect themselveses
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>> you'd said, japan, yes, it's fine, you get nuclear weapons, you as well, saudi arabia says we want them, too. >> can i be honest with you? it's going to happen, anyway. it's only a question of time. they're going to start having them or we have to get rid of them entirely. so many countries already, china, pakistan, so many countries, russia, so many countries right now that have them. now, wouldn't you rather in a certain sense have japan have nuclear weapons when north korea has nuclear weapons? and they do have them. they absolutely have them. they can't -- they have no carrier system yet but they will very soon. wouldn't you rather have japan, perhaps, they're over there, they're very close, very fearful of north korea and we're supposed to protect. >> you're saying you don't want more nuclear weapons in the world but you're okay with japan and south korea having nuclear weapons. >> when i hear obama get up and say the biggest threat to the world today is global warming, i say is this guy kidding? the only global warming -- the only global warming i'm worried about is nuclear global warming because that's the single
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biggest threat. it's not that i'm a -- we can't afford it anymore. we're sitting on a tremendous bubble. again, $21 trillion. >> do you have concerns about japan or south korea getting nuclear weapons? >> when you see the money our country is spending on military, we're not spending it on ourselves, we're protecting these nations all over the world. we can't afford to do it anymore. not big enough to bankrupt and destroy the united states. that's what's happening. we can't afford it. it's very simple. i would rather see japan having some form of defense and maybe even offense against north korea. because we're not pulling the trigger. the bottom line on north korea, china, if they wanted to, they're a tremendous supplier of north korea, have tremendous power over north korea. if they wanted to, if they weren't toying with us, anderson, china could make a deal in one day -- >> i want to bring a last question before we do, i want to
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ask you about the back and forth between you and senator cruz about wives. after saying you were going to spill the beans about heidi cruz, you retweeted an unflattering picture of her next to a picture of your wife. >> i thought it was a nice picture of heidi. i thought it was fine. she's a pretty woman. >> you're running for president of the united states. >> excuse me, i didn't start it. >> sir, with all due respect, that's the argument of a 5-year-old. >> no, it's not. >> the argument of a 5-year-old is he started. >> you would say that. that's the problem with our country. >> every parent knows a kid who says he started it. >> no, no. that's the problem. exactly that thinking is the problem this country has. i did not start this. he sent out a picture and he knew very well -- >> he didn't send out a picture. it was an anti-trump superpac sent it out. >> a cover story taken by one of the great photographers of the world, my wife was a very, very successful model, like one of the most. it was a picture for the cover of "gq" which is a very good magazine. >> this wasn't even a pro --
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>> they were romney people. romney is embarrassed he did so badly years ago. >> do you have proof he sent it out? >> everybody knows he sent it out. he knew the people in the superpac. he knew -- i would be willing to bet he wrote the phrase. you know, this is -- would you like to have this as your first lady? a lot of people said, yes, actually, if you want to know the truth. but she was a magnificent model. she took a picture with one of the great photographers of the world. put it on "gq." all of a sudden we see this picture going all over utah before the election. by the way, he said we had a big day, we won utah. excuse me, i won arizona with far more delegates and as you probably saw, 25 minutes ago, so maybe you didn't see it, the vote was just counted in missouri and i won missouri, too. >> congratulations. >> another 12 or 13 delegates. >> your wife is lovely, she's
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very intelligent. heidi cruz, i haven't interviewed her, she seems like a very intelligent, very accomplished person as well. can you just leave wives out of this? >> absolutely. i'd like to do it. >> but why retweet -- >> i would love to do it. i really would rather talk about nuclear proliferation. >> you act as if -- >> let me just tell you something. i would love to do it. i didn't send the photo to everybody in the state of utah. he did. he knew about it. it was his people, his friends. >> do you have to retweet some random person sending you -- >> i don't let things go so easy. let me tell you something. i don't let the -- if i were running the country, i wouldn't have people taking advantage of the united states in trade and in every other way, either. believe me, i wouldn't have china walking away with trade deficits of $505 billion a year. i wouldn't have mexico laughing at us how stupid we are with trade deals and at the border. i wouldn't let japan get away what they're doing with, you know, devaluation of the yen. china big league devaluation.
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>> can you say no more such about wives? >> it's ridiculous. >> let's go to the audience. i want you to meet retire lieutenant brian murphy, first officer to report to the sikh temple in oak creek. his officer is standing next to him. sam lenda. [ applause ] >> great. >> his fellow officer is standing next to him, sam, took out the shooter that day, is also with us. we want to just first of all take a moment to thank both of them for their service and their actions. [ applause ] brian has a question for you tonight. he likes governor kasich but he's still undecided. brian? >> good evening, mr. trump. i have a question. in light of the brussels and
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paris attacks a knee-jerk reaction is a backlash against specific minority religious groups. this in turn brings about things that cause damage all over. in milwaukee, you heard about the sikh temple shooting. six people were killed. 99% of the men in the united states who wear turbans are actually sikh and not muslim. how would you suggest we help educate the public and not alienate these groups and at the same time, how do we protect the constitutional rights of minority groups like the muslim, sikh, hindu, and jews while still addressing radical islamization? >> thank you for the question. we have a tremendous problem with radical islam whether we like it or don't. we have a president who won't talk about it. ted was saying the same thing. we have a president who won't talk about it. why he won't talk about it, perhaps only he knows. it's a disgrace what's going on.
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we have a serious, serious problem and when i called for a temporary ban, i thought that was a very bad thing for me to do politically, but i felt i should do it. i didn't know i would go up in the poll as opposed to down. i really felt there had to be something done. that was after the horrible san bernardino, california, situation. after obviously paris which was terrible. we talk about paris with the gun-free zone and gun laws. nobody had guns except the bad guys. if we would have had guns on the other side in terms of 2nd amendment, same thing with san bernardino, if bullets were going in the opposite direction, you wouldn't have had the problems you had in those two places i can tell you. we have to cherish our 2nd amendment. very, very important. i can say this, when i called for the temporary banning, you have to look at it, we have a very, very serious problem with radical islam and if we don't
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want to discuss it and if we don't want to look at it, we're never going to solve the problem. we have to be extremely strong with isis. we have to wipe isis off the face of the earth so fast and so violently, we have no choice. we have no choice. and i was against the war in iraq. okay? i am not a fast trigger. i'm exactly the opposite of that. we should have never gone in. it destabilized the middle east. i tell you this, we got out. obama got us out very badly. instead of leaving some troops, instead of giving a date, the exact time. i would say this, though. we have no choice but to look at that. we have to be very, very vigilant, very smart and frankly, brian, we have to be very, very tough. because it's only going to get worse. thousands of people are being allowed into this country over short periods of time coming supposedly from syria. we have no idea who they are, have no idea where is their paperwork. they have no paperwork, they have no identification. they're coming into this country and it's going to be a big, big problem.
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>> the other, though, part of lieutenant murphy's question was about protecting the rights of minority groups, of muslims, of sikhs, jews, others inside the united states. >> i want to do that also. at the same time we have to recognize we have a serious problem. >> let me follow-up on that. you said you agreed the other day, i think you said you agreed with senator ted cruz's proposal in the wake of the brussels attacks that law enforcement should, i quote, "patrol and secure muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized." bill bratton, commissioner, cheap of police -- >> i like very much. >> in your home city. chief of police under giuliani as well as de blasio, again, also out in l.a. he said about ted cruz's proposal, "we do not patrol and secure neighborhoods based on selective enforcement because of race or religion." is he wrong? >> i think we have to be extremely vigilant in those areas and look seriously at the mosques. look at what's going on in paris where mosques are being closed,
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okay, and have to look very, very seriously. >> a lot of muslims in america hear that, you saying we have to look seriously at the mosque and get worried. >> in san bernardino, people knew what was going on. these two people -- he probably became radicalized through her. who knows. frankly right now it doesn't matter. these two people killed their co-workers, et cetera, et cetera, in their apartment, house, the place they lived. they had bombs all over the apartment. >> do you trust -- >> excuse me. they had bombs on the floor. many people saw this. many, many people. muslims living with them in the same area. they saw that house. they saw that. one didn't want to turn -- he said i don't want to turn him in because i don't want to be accused of racial profiling. he saw bombs all over the apartment, okay? it's just an excuse. >> do you trust muslims in america? >> do i what? >> trust muslims in america. >> many of them i do. many of them i do. some i guess we don't. some i guess we don't. we have a problem. and we can try and be very politically correct and pretend we don't have a problem, but anderson, we have a major, major problem.
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this is in a sense this is a war. >> special patrols in muslim neighborhoods? >> excuse me. nobody wants to call it a war. there's a war. there's a war. the difference is, it's not like you're fighting germany or japan, they have a uniform, we have a uniform, everybody has a different uniform. we don't know where these people are. >> i want you to meet jeff johns, a financial consultant. he said he is on the trump train as of this point. >> i like him. i like him very much. >> i knew you would. >> thank you for coming to the great city of milwaukee. >> thank you, jeff. >> mr. trump, you have a high net worth in the billions of dollars but many people don't think that you're a successful businessman. they refer to your inherited wealth and how it's just a track that pays the average market index. mr. trump, what do you say to those people that do not think that you're a successful businessman? >> i love the question because it's such a lie. i started off in brooklyn. my father was a builder in brooklyn. brooklyn had not a lot of value. brooklyn was not a great place to be.
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i always wanted to go into manhattan. my father, my first deal, my first loan was $1 million from my father which was a loan, i had to pay him back. i did numerous deals in manhattan. my father said don't go into manhattan, it's not our territory, we can't do that, it's not for us. i started off with a very, very small amount of money. by the way, when my father passed away, remember, i have four, a total of five in my family. we have brothers, sisters, split. when my father died, by that time i had already built a great fortune and my father didn't leave a great fortune. it was brooklyn and queens real estate and it wasn't a great fortune. now what they do is they build it up like, oh, he left -- i started off -- you understand, you know the true answer because you're somebody who understands me and understand where it started. i started off with $1 million and now i'm worth over $10 billion. and i filed my papers with the election committees, with the federal election, and people in your world, in your profession, are down there, or have been down there all the time and they
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can't believe how great those papers are. very little debt. some of the greatest assets in the world. some of the greatest assets in the world. and very importantly, tremendous cash flow and i don't say that in a bragging way. i say that because that's the kind of thinking that our country needs. i want to say this, before my father died, he said, everything donald touches turns to gold. it's absolutely -- he was so proud of me but i borrowed very little money from my father. what i did borrow and the thing that really helped me with my father was his knowledge. he was an excellent negotiator, excellent builder. he built in brooklyn and queens, there wasn't that much money in brooklyn and queens. >> a lot of other candidates have released tax returns. you say you won't release them because you're being audited. some people doubt you're being audited -- >> would you like a letter? i'll give it to you. >> can you? >> sure. absolutely. >> people have raised that as a doubt. >> only a fool would give a tax return -- >> you can offer evidence you're being audited? >> i'll give you a letter from the biggest firm in washington that does my work for me. >> all right. >> okay? sure.
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>> i want you to meet robert. he's retired from the u.s. army after serving in iraq and afghanistan. he's now a student at marquette university. [ applause ] robert? >> good evening, mr. trump. in your opinion, what are the top three functions of the united states government? >> say it again? >> in your opinion, what are the top three functions of the united states government? >> well, the greatest function of all by far is security for our nation. i would also say health care, i would also said education. there are many, many things, but i would say the top three are security, security, security. we have to have security for our country so we can continue to exist as a country. we are in danger. thousands and thousands of people are infiltrating our country. we don't know who they are. there's a very vicious world. we're living in a very vicious
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world and we're doing something that is against a lot of very smart people's wishes. i can tell you, it's totally against my wishes. >> top three, security. >> security. i say all top three are security, but health care, education, would be probably three that would be top. and then you can go on from there. but the military and the secure country, so we have a country. believe me, we've never been in a position, in my opinion, where our country is so vulnerable. our military is being eaten away. when general odierno left recently, a year ago, i was watching him on maybe your show, one of the shows and he said that the united states army, the united states military forces, have never been so -- and i think he used the word depleted. basically he said they're exhausted. >> just to follow-up, though -- >> that's a pretty -- that's a pretty sad commentary. and honestly, even though he was retiring at the time and i had a lot of respect for him, good man, but even though he was leaving at the time, people
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shouldn't say that because you're giving the enemy ideas. but if i get in, our military will be bigger, better, stronger than ever before. it's the cheapest thing we can do. >> so in terms of federal government role, you're saying security, but you also say health care and education should be provided by the federal government? >> those are two of the things. yeah, sure. there are obviously many things, housing, providing great neighborhoods -- >> aren't you against the federal government's involvement in education? don't you want it to devolve to states? >> i want it to go to state. absolutely. >> that's not part of what the federal government's -- >> the federal government, but the concept of the country is the concept that we have to have education within the country and have to get rid of common core and it should be brought to the state level. >> and federal health care run by the federal government? >> health care. we need health care for our people. we need a good -- obamacare is a disaster. >> is that something the federal government should be doing? >> the government can lead it but it should be privately done. it should be privately done so that health care, in my opinion, we should probably have -- we have to have private health care.
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we don't have competition in health care. the problem that we have in our country is we don't have competition. it's made because the politicians -- by the way, i'm self-funding. i am self-funding. so the health care companies aren't taking care of me. but they're taking care of everyone else. wait one second. we don't have -- we don't have bidding. we don't have competition in health care. and it's a disaster. obamacare, if you take a look at your premiums, going up 35%, 45%, 55% and the deductibles are so high, you'll never get to use it. >> you always say you're self-funding. how much do you think your campaign has cost -- in the past you said $25 million. >> i can tell you, i'd say i'm in right now for -- now, i'm in for about $35 million right now. >> okay. >> we take the small loans, the people that send $17.50, or $250, even $1,000 -- >> you solicit those on your website. >> no, i sell hats and shirts -- >> you do solicit donations on your website. >> i don't think so. >> yeah, you do. you have two spots. >> it's peanuts.
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>> it's not peanuts. >> i'm in for -- >> a third of your campaign is funded by other people. >> whatever the hats are, they cost something. >> you raised $7 million last time i checked from individual donations. >> i'm not soliciting money from insurance companies and lumber companies and from banks and from -- if i did, i would have made jeb bush look like a baby. i have turned down more $10 million offers. just the other night, i'm in florida, and a very, very rich friend of mine comes up, donald, i'd like to give you $10 million, i'll give you anything -- >> you've actually been loaning your campaign a lot of money. are you going to have your campaign pay you back? >> i doubt it. it seems to be the way -- >> that's a possibility? >> can i be honest? never even thought about it. just seems to me the way the lawyers set it up. i am in right now, i put in my money about $35 million.
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i think in terms of small donations, i think we've received $6 million. up until this point. >> i think i saw $7 million. >> excuse me. a lot of that is the selling of merchandise and things like that. there's no influence over me. it's not like the banks are giving me money and i'm going to do favors for the banks. ted cruz, the banks are giving him a lot of money, oil and gas are giving him a lot of money. superpacs are a disaster. if they're not gotten rid of, it's going to get worse. >> i want to introduce you to emelia rohl at university of wisconsin. the first choice is senator cruz, you're her second pick. here's your chance to win her over. emelia? >> mr. trump, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> mr. trump, in a recent interview with the "washington post," you said the u.s. should become a diminishing presence in nato. >> absolutely. >> why do you think the u.s. should start to withdraw their world presence from nate doe, what would you change about the organization so we could remain involved?
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>> i did two interviews recently, "the new york times" which treated me unbelievably fairly. there was a front page story on sunday i think. it was a great story. part of it was -- the other was the "washington post." >> you talked to them longer than any other candidate. >> david, he's a very talented writer. they treated me fairly. the "washington post," i said similar things and similar things about nato. let me tell you, nato is obsolete. it was 67 years or it's over 60 years old. it is -- many countries, doesn't cover terrorism. okay? it covers the soviet union which is no longer in existence. and nato has to either be rejiggered, changed for the better. i'm not saying -- the other thing that's bad about nato, we're paying too much. we're spending a tremendous, billions and billions of dollars on nato. >> you're saying it's obsolete, though. you have now vladimir putin
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invading, annexing part of ukraine. annexing crimea. >> let me tell you about ukraine. first of all -- >> there a lot of people believe nato -- >> you have countries that surround ukraine. they don't talk. they don't seem to have a problem. i'm not saying go in. i say yaw can be very strong, strong without being -- the money we spend is astronomical on nato. okay. ukraine -- >> you really think nato is obsolete? >> i think it's largely obsolete, yeah. it's got to be changed. you don't talk about terror. our single biggest threat right now is terror, okay? now that's an amorphous term but it's terror. our single biggest threat -- >> you'd like to see an organization revamped -- >> now if you do that, you're going to have to obviously add different nations in because you have nations that aren't in nato that are very much into the world of terror. both in terms of causing it and receiving it. so you probably have to either start something or you have to do something. when you look at brussels, hey, look, you remember a couple of
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months ago, i made a statement about brussels. i said it's a hell hole. that's because it's a financial, very big financial capital. many of my friends are there. they know exactly what's going on. i haven't been there in many years. i was there. it was a beautiful city. now it's not good. and i said it was a hell hole. "the new york times" attacked me rather viciously for calling a place a hell hole. two months later we had the attack and it turned out i was right. it's a hell hole. on twitter, all over the place they're saying trump was right, trump was right. i understand this stuff. i mean, i really do understand this stuff. nato is obsolete. now, that doesn't mean it can't be rejiggered and it can't be fixed and made good or -- >> for you -- >> it's possible -- >> a financial component when you talk about -- >> you have countries in nato, i think it's 28 countries, countries in nato are getting a free ride and it's unfair, it's very unfair. the united states cannot afford to be the policemen of the world anymore, folks. we have to rebuild our own country.
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we have to stop with this stuff. you have as an example, ukraine, you don't have germany talking about ukraine. you don't have many of the countries in nato talking about -- it's always us. we're always the first one out. we have very big problems in our country. very, very big problems. nato has to be either changed or we have to do something. and we shouldn't be paying most of the course of nato. it's unfair to our taxpayers and people. >> we're going to take a quick break. we'll have more with donald trump after the quick break when our "360" town hall covers from riverside theater in downtown milwaukee. there are two billion people who don't have access to basic banking, but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time.
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and welcome back. we're talking to donald trump. a week before the wisconsin primary, voters asking the republican candidates the questions that matter to them looking for answer to help them decide. before we go back to the audience, i want to ask you a question i asked to senator cruz as well. more than six months ago you pledged to support the republican nominee, whoever that may be. a lot has changed since then. it sounded when i was pressing senator cruz on it, sounded like he was saying he'd have a hard time supporting somebody who went after his wife. >> honestly, he doesn't have to support me. i'm not asking for his support. i want the people's support. >> do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is? >> no. i don't anymore. look -- >> you don't? >> no. we'll see who it is. >> you won't promise to support the republican nominee? >> he was essentially saying the same thing. let me just tell you, he doesn't have to support me. i have tremendous support right now from the people.
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i'm way over 2 million votes more than him. i have many, many more delegates than him. like many, many more delegates. as i said before, he was talking about great victory the night utah -- well, i won arizona many more delegates. many, many more delegates. i don't really want him to do something he's not comfortable with. just like i can't imagine jeb bush. look, i beat these people badly. i beat jeb bush. i beat the governor of this state. the governor of this state came in. he was favored to win. he was at 22 points. then he said something bad about me and i hit him very hard and he went boom and he left the race. he was very early. >> just so i'm clear -- >> i don't want to make people uncomfortable. i don't need their support. now maybe it will be a negative, maybe it won't. >> the pledge you took is null and void, supporting whoever the republican nominee is, you say you will no longer guarantee you will support the republican nominee? >> look, i won the state of missouri, right? [ booing ] no, i have. cruz people. i've been treated very unfairly. >> unfairly by who? >> i think by basically the rnc. the republican party.
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the establishment. you have a guy like mitt romney who lost miserably who did a terrible job. he ran a horrible, horrible campaign. the last month of that -- i helped him. i raised him a million -- >> do you think the rnc is plotting to take this away from you at the convention? >> i don't know. we'll see what happens. you'd have upset people if that happened. just so you understand, when romney came out against any, he ran one of the worst races in the history of presidential politics. he ought to sit back and root for us instead of being a negative force and we have others also. the biggest story in all of politics worldwide right now, you might agree to this, millions of people are coming in voting for any. >> being involved in the process. >> watching, all of this. your ratings tonight will be excellent, right? the debate you had where 23 million people, i don't want to say this braggedly, if i wasn't in it --
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>> in the off chance you're not the republican nominee, what would you go your decision whether or not you'd support -- >> i'll see who it is. i'm not looking to hurt anybody. >> if it's senator ted cruz, would you support him? >> look, here's my thing on cruz. a lot of nasty things have been said. i'm a very honorable guy and a very honest guy. i don't do -- i would have never done what he did to ben carson, who by the way, endorsed me. i would have never gone to iowa and said ben carson has left the race, he is gone, 100%, vote for me, usher people in to the caucus and get them to vote for ted cruz. a lot of people left ben carson. ben carson is an honorable guy. that's a terrible thing to do. there were other terrible things to do, and i honestly, i watched him tonight with you, and i watched how tormented he was when you asked him that question. i don't want to have him torment. i don't want to have him be tormented. let me just tell you, i don't want his support. i don't need his support. i want him to be comfortable. now, if he wants to support me, that would be wonderful because i think i'm going to win.
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let me just tell you. i watched him, you know, skirt around like any politician would. skirt around the issue. i don't want to make people like jeb bush, like ted cruz, like governor walker, i mean, governor walker, i hit him very hard after he hit me. i hit him very hard and drove him out of the race. i drove jeb bush out of the race. i drove rand paul out of the race. i understand why they don't like me and i don't want people that -- i don't want people to do something against their will, anderson. i could see that he was having a hard time with a very simple question that you asked him. would you support -- well, i think i'm going to win. he doesn't have to do it. he doesn't have to support me. i really don't believe i need his support. i'd love to have everybody's support. you know what, i'm a unifier. believe it or not, i'm a unifier. >> if there was a contested convention, and you didn't get the nomination, and someone else was brought in, a paul ryan, for instance, would you support him? >> let me explain. he was very nice.
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he called me the other day, last week and he was very nice then i read reports he's having meetings with people about, you know, some clandestine things. let's see what happens. but he was very nice when he called. and i assume he's being straight with me. i hope he's being straight with me because what he said was very appropriate. i'm the front-runner by a lot. i'm beating ted cruz by millions of votes. millions of votes. the republican party is doing -- it's a phenomena. and this was not going to that with the republican party. people that never voted before, democrats and independents, are pouring in and voting for me. >> in louisiana, you won -- >> i won. >> ted cruz got -- >> show you how -- >> you threatened to sue. >> i won -- well, i'm going to see. i never heard of that before. you know, i'm a very -- i'm an american. if you win an election, you're supposed to -- >> isn't that just sour grapes? didn't he have -- he outworked you on the ground in getting delegates? >> look, in missouri, it was just announced i won. i figured, in fact, they actually found after a tabulation that i got 300 and some odd more votes than i had the first time after two, three
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weeks of tabulation which gives me another 12 or 13 delegates. it was announced a while ago before i went on the air. i will say this, louisiana, i went to louisiana. i have a great relationship with the people of louisiana. they're great people. i won the election. i was down there the night before. we had an airplane hangar, you wouldn't believe it, packed with people screaming. i won the election. then it's all about the delegates. so i won. then i found out i got ten votes, ten delegates less than the guy who lost. i beat him. >> those are the rules. his campaign had a better ground game in louisiana. >> i don't call it a ground game. i call it -- >> they're going to get more delegates. i call it bad politics. when somebody goes in and wins the election and gets less delegates than the guy that lost, i don't think that's right. >> i want you to meet jim, he's the ceo of a valve manufacturing company that's been in the family for three generations. he says he's undecided. he's leaning in your favor. >> that's what i like to hear. >> hello, mr. trump.
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as a world leader, any leader, you need compassion and willingness to make compromises. can you give me an example of a time you have learned from your behavior and changed the way you have done something going forward? >> yeah. i am somebody, jim, thank you. i am somebody that believes in flexibility. and if you notice, ted cruz and mostly him, he says he will change, he will negotiate, he will this. look, you don't have to stand on the floor of the united states senate for a day and a half and rant and rave while all the other senators are laughing at you, and by the way, not endorsing him. senator jeff sessions, one of the most respected men in the senate endorsed me, and frankly -- he's a great man. and by the way, jeff sessions is a great man with great, great knowledge. and ted cruz thought he was going to get that endorsement. he would speak about jeff sessions all the time then jeff sessions came out and endorsed me. you need flexibility, and i talk about it all the time. you need to be able to negotiate great deals. you knows, it's not all about signing executive orders because
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this is something that came in -- that wasn't the way our founders thought that this country was going to win. you have to get -- now, i'll make great deals. i'll make conservative deals. i'm going to make wonderful deals but you have to do can the old-fashioned way like ronald reagan did with chip o'neil. >> do you have a specific, though, for him on -- a specific example that you changed your behavior, changed the way you've done something going forward, learned from something you've done that you didn't like the way it turned out? >> i think -- yeah, i have many, many things i've done. i have many things i've changed course on. i mean, i've changed course on many, many things.
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by the way, you know who else evolved is ronald reagan evolved because he signed one of the toughest abortion laws in california that had been signed in many years and yet he was a great president and a pretty conservative. he wasn't very conservative, but he was a pretty conservative president. >> you said on the radio here the other day that you do apologize and you believe in apologizing. when was the last time you apologized for something? >> i don't know -- can i think? i do believe in apologizing if you're wrong. we started this with corey, my campaign manager. i say apologize for what? i see the tape.
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apologize for what? apologize, corey. it would be so much easier. i apologized to my mother years ago for using foul language. i apologize to my wife for not being presidential on occasion. she's always saying "darling, be more presidential." >> she told me she talked to you about that. >> she does. the last debate -- cruz talked about -- >> she didn't like you using a word or a dirty word or bad word that somebody in your audience shouted out and you repeated. >> really it was just a repeat and that didn't work out too well. and it wasn't horrible. >> what is it with you, repeats and retweets don't count. >> my biggest problems are repeats and retweets --
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>> well, maybe that's one of those things you should learn from your behavior and not retweet things. >> you're right. that i agree with. >> some free advice. >> i will say this, though, my wife and ivanka said on the last debates because the debates had been pretty rough and i felt i had to be rough because it's coming at me from all different angles. i've been at the middle of the podium, middle of the stage every debate. >> cruz challenged you to debate him. >> give me a break -- >> you wouldn't debate him one-on-one? >> how many times can the same people ask the same questions? i've had 11 or 12 debates with cruz. grudge, they do an online poll
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right after the debate, "time" magazine, i think i've won every poll by a lot on debating. >> so no more debates? >> i don't see where it's necessary. frankly, i think this is much better than a debate. the debates, they give you 15 second, what would you do in terms of war and peace, okay? honestly, i think this is a much better format. >> i'm happy to keep having these conversations. >> debating is easier because you're talking so little. so i hope you change your mind and hope you're going to -- sorry, john. i want you to meet john, he's a dairy farmer, he has 5,000 cows. we had another dairy farmer asking a question for senator cruz earlier. he said he's leaning in your favor. welcome. >> welcome to the cheese state.
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wisconsin is an amazing state. our number one economic driver is the dairy and cheese industry right behind it is being challenged by having a labor force dependent on an immigration policy. we have over 10,000 farms in this state. with such a strong economic driver, if we don't have a strong immigration policy that will give us the opportunity to keep the ones we have and provide a vehicle to bring new ones in from mexico legally -- >> legally. you said the word. >> but can you develop a policy that will give us that, give us the people that we have here to stay here and do the jobs and create a policy that can bring people in to fill the jobs? we're down to 3.5% unemployment rate so we can't steal any more people from someone else's industry. so how do we fill the jobs and
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good paying jobs? >> here's where you are. you're in the same position as the california grape growers because they need people to come in. it's seasonal in that case, less season in your case but people will be able to come in legally. you said the word. right now we have illegals, some people think it's 31 million, it's probably 12, 13, 14 -- we have no idea what we're doing. if you have an industry like california grapes, like perhaps what you're talking about in wisconsin, we're going to let people come in, but they're going to come in legally. they're going to come in through a visa program and come in legally and it going to work out beautifully. you will not be affected. we don't want to affect businesses. we want to grow businesses. the other part of your question, a thing we really have to talk about it trade. a lot of people are sending goods over to other countries
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and especially goods that can spoil like what you do. they send over to other countries and the other countries refuse to accept them and yet we accept their goods without tax, without anything. we are going to straighten out our trade policy so that you're going to get a lot more business. >> we have time for one more question from the audience in is andi bowen. she said she's leaning in your favor for the primary next week. welcome. >> hi, mr. trump. my 93-year-old father is so impressed with all of your kids, especially with your two sons. and when they're on television being interviewed, he will often say "why can't donald trump be more hike his sons, who are so -- >> i hear that. >> "who are so well spoken and calm." so my question to you, mr. trump, is could you possibly look to your sons as examples as how to not to be quite so
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reactionary and congratulations on raising such fine young people. >> i think i love that question. can i be honest? i have so many compliments on my children and ivanka is doing phenomenally well. my boys are great and baron is a young version i think of eric, frankly. very fall, such and such. i get so many compliments. and ivanka, she's a star. they're so supportive of me and when i'm doing and they have great attitudes. i get so many people come up to my office and they want to have their children to come up and meet me because they want their children to be like mine.
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>> do you wish you had more of your children's calmness? >> they have great heart. all of my children have a wonderful, wonderful feeling for people. that's why they want me do what i'm doing. we have the expression "make america great again" they know we're not going to be taken advantage of anymore. the world is taking advantage of the united states and it's driving us into literally being a third world nation. anderson, i travel all over the world, and i land at airports the likes of which you've never seen, whether it's in qatar or dubai or places in china, the likes of which you have never seen. and then we come home and we land at laguardia with potholes
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all over the place or l.a.x. or kennedy or newark and you look at what we have and where we've gone. it's time to rebuild our country. >> you just welcomed -- >> and i really appreciate your statement. thank you. >> you just welcomed a new grandson. his name is theodore. any chance you're going to call him crying ted? >> isn't ted's real name raphael? i think so. that's one of the questions -- >> it is, i'm being told. >> theodore roosevelt is somebody jared and ivanka have long studied and respected and it's theodore james. that's what they had in mind. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> donald trump. back with john kasich after this short break. >> thank you.