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that is where the next primary will be held. voters cast their decision on tuesday, whatever happens then will not clinch or shut down any campaigns but it matters a lot when it comes to the next prize, that is new york. taking place in mid april. the new york contest is a pretty clear front-runner from each party now, that is if you believe the polls. as we know they do not tell the whole story. not wisconsin, it is much tighter when you look at the polling on both sides. trump is on the defensive after some call his worst week thus far in the campaign. clinton is today accusing her rival bernie sanders of quote unquote playing games saying no to the three days they proposed for debate in new york. jeremy is in rothchild, wisconsin. let's talk about the week that was for donald trump. certainly not picture perfect especially when it comes to take four seemingly different positions on abortion in the span of a week.
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does that affect the loyal trump supporters, though? does that sway wisconsin? >> reporter: certainly with the trump supporters i talked to today none of them, i spoke to half a dozen supporters here, none of them saying that the abortion comments that trump made this week, the different positions that he's taken on the issue, none of that matters to them. this is kind of what we've seen time and again, we've seen donald trump step into the mud, get himself embroiled in controversy by whether it's by saying something controversial or by you know, changing his position on an issue. trump supporters those with him now for months, some of them even just weeks, once they are with him they are very loyal and set in. we saw donald trump take different positions, you said that he wanted to punish women who get abortions if abortion is outlawed, then said that he would not. we saw yesterday he said that he would not change the laws on abortion to make it illegal, then his spokeswoman saying that in fact he would change the laws when he's president. so a slew of different positions
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anding we had donald trump's campaign manager earlier this week charged with allegedly assaulting a reporter, so all of that makes for donald trump's what some call donald trump's worst week. >> jeremy diamond with the trump campaign in rothschild, wisconsin. let's talk about this and the week that was for trump first as you heard jeremy say, campaign manager arrested for misdemeanor battery, then he drew fire for comments on abortion, back and forth. the polls trailing ted cruz in wisconsin but perhaps some are pointing to as being the most troubling is his disapproval rating among women. look at the numbers, this is a recent poll that finds 73% of registered female voters disapprove of the republican front-runner. among republican female voters unfavorables from 29% up to 39%. in the last few months. will it is bring in our panel again, david gergen, jeffrey lord, a trump porter, and van
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jones, a democrat, and also previously worked in the obama white house. jeffrey, let's talk about the disapproval numbers when you look at them from women, those came before he had to defend his comments on abortion, before he had to deal with the fall-out from his campaign manager's arrest, for grabbing the arm of a female reporter. are you concerned each as a supporter you concerned about those numbers? >> no. i'll tell you why. when we get to a fall election, and it's donald trump or any one for that matter versus hillary clinton or any one else, then these things change. they always change. ronald reagan was trailing jimmy carter by about 30 points in december of 1979 by november he was president-elect. secondly, i find it very interesting, in this last week apparently, reuters does a tracking poll and donald trump in this whole period of controversy that we're talking about here, has gone up steadily, now leads ted cruz
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according to reuters 45 to 33%. and has gone up from where he was on this. so one of the things i would suggest here is that the more coverage he gets like this, there is real an tibty toward the media. we have these controversy, my hunch is that they only add to his support. they don't detract from it. >> david gergen, to you. on cbs last night, sort of a precursor to the face the nation interview airing tomorrow, trump was asked if he thinks abortion amounts to murder. listen. >> you think it's murder? abortion? >> ah, i have my opinions on it but i'd rather not comment. >> you said you are pro life. >> i am. >> abortion is murder? >> but i mean i do have my opinions on. i'd rather -- just don't think it's appropriate. >> you don't disagree with that proposition? >> what proposition? >> that abortion is murder. >> no, i don't disagree.
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>> david, when you're talking about those numbers that we showed you among unfavorables, among women, especially when you consider he may face off against a female candidate in the general election, abortion is a big issue to men and women. what does this do to him? >> listen. his -- his disapproval ratings among all women voters, not just republican has jumped 15 points. i don't care how you spin that, that's the wrong direction. anything close to that would make him totally unelectable in the fall. i agree with jeff that yeah, he can close that gap some but when you start that far behind it really raises questions, fundamental questions about your candidacy. and i think more importantly, we've had a string of things. it's no one incident that is causing a lot of second thoughts and i think -- i think the tide
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is turning. i think something is happening, more fundamental. it's not just the one event. it's the accumulation of things. you start out thinking a fresh voyrks tells it like it is, wow, maybe he can turn this country around. looks like a turn around ceo. then you get negative things starting to bubble up. that's what causes voters to move from being strong toing luke warm to finally saying no, to being really opposed. and i think a lot of voters are going through that process now. i think that the reuters spol a big outlier. let's see what happens in wisconsin. that was a race where trump was ahead by 10. now down by 10. i don't see how you can spin that as a trump win if he goes down by 10. >> you think of wisconsin as sort of trump land, right, that would be suited for him. >> absolutely. a lot of white collar voters. should win that. >> the trade bashing, et cetera, yet you have cruz ahead.
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van, this interview which probably haven't had a chance to read. i just came to my desk. maureen dowd with donald trump. some of the key points are he admitted he said that if he had it to do over again he wouldn't have retweeted that picture of heidi cruz, this week, saying yeah, it was a mistake if i had to do it over again i wouldn't have sent it. also, when he was asked if his campaign manager should have called the reporter that he grabbed the arm of, michelle fields, and given her a call after the incident et cetera, trump said yes, you're right. but from what i understand it wouldn't have mattered. that saying yes, he probably should have given her a call. this is not what we're used to hearing, making these admissions that i could have done stuff better. what does that tell you, van? >> that he is in a bit of a panic. here's the thing. all that is good. i'm glad that he's saying that. i'm glad he's admitting error. but you know, i have children
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that get to admissions of error within minutes, maybe hours, this is a week plus later for some of this stuff. part of the thing is when you're president, you have to make good decisions quickly. you've got to look at the evidence, look at the situation, and you've got to respond soberly, you've got to respond effectively and there aren't do overs a week later. the problem you see with this question of judgment. there is a problem in the republican party where they have tended to give people a pass as long as you're mad at the people i'm mad at i'll give you a pass. that happened with sarah palin. what's happened you create this almost circus wing of the party where anything goes as long as you're mad. i think that the republican party may pay a price for giving him a pass too long. it was obvious very early he did not have the temperament to be a president but there was a hope that he would get better. he is going to get the award for the least improved candidate in american history. he hasn't gotten any better over
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the past six, eight, nine months. >> i have to give jeffrey lord trump's to respond to that. your response and also what trump has now said to maureen dowd saying yep, wouldn't have done that, could have done that better. >> my friend van is a democrat and i expect him to say what he just said. i mean, look. donald trump is a fabulous ceo. and you don't run a company much less build a company like he has without solid temperament. and character and good judgment. all of which he will bring to the presidency. so, i mean, i think that this is false, this is partisanship. if we're going to go down that road we go down there with hillary and benghazi and president obama and benghazi and pulling out of iraq and i mean, we can just do this endlessly. but i don't think that's the case. i mean that's just a genuine partisan difference, i think. >> jeffrey, david, van, thank you all. stay with me. a lot more ahead with you three. just getting started. coming up, the two front-runners
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on the trail in the badger state. we'll bring you their comments. many voters say they are angry, about the economy, angry about the direction this country is headed in. our christine romans breaks down that anger for us. courtyard, the official hotel of the nfl, and i want to remind you that no one's the same without the game... like @squirrelgirl52 who writes, "no football on sundays has left me with a lot of free time. "so i've constructed a small sanctuary for local squirrels. it's a safe haven where they can meet and fall in love and..." ok, i'm going to stop reading right now. you might have some issues that go beyond football's help, but try watching the nfl draft. see if that helps. maybe watch with a friend... or doctor.
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more americans are going back to work, friday's jobs report shows 215,000 jobs created in the month of march alone, that is a number driven by large gains in construction, retail and health care. unemployment ticked up slightly to 5% from 4.9%. but analysts say there is good reason for that.
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more americans are coming off the sidelines, looking for work and that means they are officially counted in the unemployment rate on top of that, home values added 11%, in the last year. the u.s. stock market, the s&p 500 is up 200% from seven years ago, gas is cheap at about 2 bucks. a lot of voters are angry and angry about the state of the economy. they feel it's not working for them. why? chris te christine romans explain. >> economists, give it a b. if there is anything we learned this season those voters are angry. this chart really says it all. the discussion around american kitchen tables is on household income down $3700 since 2007. at $53,657 a family, median household income is back to 1995 levels. now, it hasn't happened
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overnight. both parties have pursued free trade deals, both embraced china into the global economy. technology and globalization make it easier and cheaper to produce overseas, the middle class buys cheaper goods but loses millions of jobs to outsourcing. in 2001, there were 352,600 manufacturing establishments in the u.s. they employed almost 16 million workers. by the year 2013, that number had dwindled to 11.3 million workers in 292 factories. american voters feel left behind by a economy they believe benefits investors and bosses, the super rich and status quo politicians. essentially their economic self-esteem is in the dumps. here is a curious wrinkle. when asked about their personal economy 6 out of 10 primary voters say they are holding steady. 6 out of 10 holding steady.
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it's a remarkable disconnect. >> it is indeed. thank you so much for that. let's talk oat ver with our panel again. van jones, jeffrey lord, david gergen. you look how successful donald trump has been in tapping into this voter anger i think you can't overstate it. he has played it right on that. >> he -- >> go ahead. >> donald trump did not create the anger. he exploited it. ridden that wave. listen. bill clinton himself has been saying recently trying to explain this election, 80% of people haven't gotten a pay raise since the great crash. >> right. >> most of the jobs, study came out, a colleague of mine, co-authored it. most of the new jobs are gig jobs like uber like or they are people going into business for themselves who no longer have a safety net with an employer. they got to look after themselves because they are working on their own.
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as in a freelance capacity. and that has limited how much they can make. where have the gains gone? there have been gains but over several years most of those gains have gone to the top. so there are a whole swath of voters, sanders voters and the trump voters who are together saying this ain't working. and we're angry, come on guys, if you're going to run a government let's have equitable distribution and get the growth rate up. >> i found it fascinating if you look back. a report this week looking back at comments that trump made in the 90s, he told playboy in this 1990 interview, let me pull it up, rich men are less likely to like me but the working man likes me because he knows i worked hard and didn't inherit what i built. let's be clear, he did inherit money from his father. a million dollar loan. you look at this, van jones, why is it that this billionaire who did inherit a good start at least from his father, is able to hug that anger so well and
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can he carry it through into a general? >> he may be able to. let's be fair. a million dollars is a lot of money for people like us, but a lot of people get a million and they lose it. he was able to take whatever head start and was able to build on that. people know that. so a lot of times people want to put him down and say he doesn't know. he's not somebody who inherited all of that. i think that gives him a certain place to stand when he talks about american opportunity. also, the pain is real. it is very difficult, i think, for the coastal elites in both parties to get people are sitting on a white hot stove and they can't just sit there. you have a second sanders surge now. going on. the democratic party is having the same fits, they don't have the same colorful going on that donald trump brings but the same fits because hillary clinton can't put sanders away because he's got a generation in economic pain. and i'm proud of the president
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for what he's been able to do but we still have a long way to go and both parties i think have fallen short of meeting the needs of the people. >> it's an interesting point, charles blow saying that bernie sanders sort of the first occupy wall street candidate, we'll see how that plays out when it comes to getting the nomination. but jeffrey, to you. no question, trump has been a successful businessman. i think van makes a good point. a lot of people waste inherent or a loan. isn't the art of the deal, though, different from the art of diplomacy? >> no. not really. what is diplomacy but deal making. when i think back -- >> it's very different when you're dealing with a public company, wouldn't you say or even a private company and you're dealing with simply dollars and cents and not, for example, always cultural differences, geopolitical issues. isn't that different? >> well, two things.
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first on the economy. recent gallup poll among republicans had 64% of republicans giving donald trump the thumbs up on economic issues as opposed to i think 20% for ted cruz and below that for john kasich. so he really does have -- has made his mark here. to your point here. i think of president reagan who was a labor negotiator in his early life as president of the screen actors guild. and they said he wasn't competent to handle the job. as president he got face-to-face with gorbachev he walked out. and i still remember the look of displeasure on his face as they were parting. so i think donald trump has a similar sense of how to negotiate, how to deal and that is very important in diplomacy. >> david gergen, to you. let's look at history. similarities between what is happening now and the voter anger that another billionaire
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ross perot rode in '92? >> there is some similarity. ross perot was the last successful populist. he was ahead about six months before the election of 1992, he was actually ahead of bill clinton and aheads of the republicans. he finally went up with 19% of the vote. and but he didn't win a single state. that's important to remember. but i want to go back to this question of diplomacy. and ronald reagan. ronald reagan-he did learn a lot about negotiations as jeffrey said when he was in hollywood. but the important difference between reagan and trump among other things, reagan was a governor of the biggest state in the country for eight years before he came to washington. he learned how to be a good executive. he learned how to work quietly with people across the aisle. it wasn't blender bust, he was very part is about it. he was very respectful. so when reagan got to washington he surprised a lot of people because he was so effective.
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the california experience of eight years, if donald trump had that he would be probably unstoppable right now. given his lack of experience, the fact he hasn't looked at the issues that weakened his candidacy at a critical moment. >> jeffrey lord, one of the things that arguably has worked most that trump has put forth is his bashing of free trade deals. he called out certain companies, said they shipped jobs overseas, he has taken on nafta but if he gets in the white house what is he going to do to alter what has become the new reality, the new norm in not only america but the world that free trade exists. you think -- is he really going to reverse all that? >> well, he is a free trader, what he is saying is we just have to make better deals which sounds i think, if you're the one like the famous video that went viral there of the carrier air conditioning people, 1400 of them or whatever number being
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gathered together told that their jobs were shipped to mexico, i mean those kind of folks exactly are listening to his message re receptively. i'm sure they are all for free trade if they feel the deals have been done inartfully to underscore it, they are not happy with it. i think he tapped into that a lot. this is something he has been saying for years. >> talking about the company carrier in indiana, but what is he saying he is going to reverse what's on the table? >> what he's clearly saying is that the deals that our government has negotiated have been terrible ones k. one of the problems he points out is the people who do the negotiations are politicians, that they don't have a lot of business experience. they don't deal with these kind of issues. they get political appointments, they get the nice title but they don't really know what they are doing. and i think that kind of criticism you know, strikes home with a lot of these people.
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>> but couldn't you argue that a business man sitting at the table would look at carrier, the example you brought up and say these folks that were making up to $22 an hour really good paying manufacturing jobs, important jobs, those jobs, the ones sent to mexico to folks that are going to make $19 a day is smart if you are looking through a business lens. wouldn't donald trump perhaps want to argue that side? >> sure. i mean, i'm sure you could. but you know, one of the things i think has happened. i'm your basic free trader. a reaganite on this kind of thing. but i do think one of the things that's happening here is that the theory of it all is coming hard up against the practice of it all. and the people on the south end of the practice are not very happy and they are making their displeasure with this known. i think that makes it incumbent on the people who have the theory to perhaps go back over this again and see what's being done that's not working so well.
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>> let me give van, jump in here. how does hillary clinton exploit this to her benefit? >> what's interesting is you don't actually hear anybody, either party, cruz, a little bit, defending any of the free trade stuff. you can make a case and say listen, we did lose some jobs but everybody's able to save money, you go to walmart, if you had trump's way you might pay 10, 20 times more in walmart. do you want that? what's interesting is that the bipartisan elite consensus for the trade has collapsed to the point that even a hillary clinton is not out there aggressively making the case. i think that is -- that shows you that something big has changed in the country on this issue. trump has his take, sanders has his take but even hillary clinton is not out there defending this stuff. >> i got to get a break in. >> can i say something. >> 30 seconds. >> brief. listen. economists will tell you look, none of the candidates has got
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this right on trade. for hillary clinton to come out after praising it for so long, the transpacific partnership and now to come out against it, is one thing. donald trump wants to throw a massive tariffs against china, against mexico and others. >> 35%. >> barrons saying devastating for the economy. we'll have a devastating trade war. >> meg whitman said the same thing. we'll see, it would be a dramatic change in policy. thank you so much. stay with me. go to get a quick break. next about house republicans back away from donald trump because they believe he may cost the party control of the house.
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welcome back. donald trump is making some house republicans nervous. they worry if trump does become their party's nominee, the gop could lose control of the house. our senior political reporter on the story. >> after the republicans took back the house in the 2010 elections, gop leaders vow to build a long and lasting majority. something that appeared untouchable after the republicans padded their numbers in the 2014 midterms. now some in the party establishment fear that it cold all be washed away thanks to no small part to donald trump. >> today in support.
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>> carlos of florida sin danger of losing his job. that could be one reason why he wants nothing to do with donald trump. >> my community knows that i have rejected a lot of what mr. trump has said, and i think everyone should for that matter. >> trump was making a lot of house republicans nervous. in the aftermath of the latest comments that women should be prosecuted if abortions were outlawed. some in both parties believe a trump nomination could lead to something once viewed impossible, democrats retaking the house in november. some vulnerable republicans are quickly abandoning the gop front-runner. >> i said before i'll say again this is not someone i support for me it's personal. >> democrats need to pick up 30 house seats to overcome the largest republican majority in 70 years. republican leaders hope they can stem their losses. the house races are often dictated by the national mood. with trump's unruly candidacy democrats believe their chances
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are improving by the day. >> donald trump is not good for the gop ballot. this is now the party of trump and house republicans are dealing with that every day. >> it was a democrat hoping to oust car bell low in his district. trying to tie him to trump's harsh words about mexican immigrants. >> many of them that have been eligible to become citizens are becoming citizens so they can vote, so i'm seeing a lot of enthusiasm for our race. >> tom davis, a former gop chairman and john kasich supporter, thinks the party could lose at least 20 seat. trump is the nominee. >> i think that's a stretch but something you have to worry about if the trump campaign keeps deteriorating. >> behind the scenes house speaker paul ryan is moving aggressively telling his members to focus on his party's achievements. publicly he says he is confident. >> i'm not concerned about the house flipping because we're in control of our own actions. >> trump supporters on capitol
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hill say republicans should be embracing the real estate mogul instead of running away from him. >> people get behind a winner which is mr. trump. >> i can tell you poppy, a lot of house republicans are nervous about trump but some senate republicans are open to running with him and that includes senators ron johnson, wisconsin in a tough senate race and richard burr of north carolina. both of them told me they believe trump's ability to attract new voters could be good for their own senate races. a lot of senate republicans are worried about ted cruz, his own politics won't play well in swing states, many told me they want cruz to repair relations with his colleagues before they consider getting behind him. so really a debate among republicans on capitol hill but how to handle the two leading candidates right now for president. >> fascinating look. thank you so much. coming up next, the two front-runners on the trail in the badger state today, about to speak live. we're talking about hillary
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if donald trump is not able to clinch the delegates needed for the summer convention it could mean trouble for the trump campaign. our top form to tell us what might happen if the gop enters into an open convention. hi, tom. >> hey, poppy. there is a reason they call it a floor fight if no candidate can get that magic number of delegates necessary to clinch the nomination before the convention begins. let's look at the count right now. donald trump is the closest but if he doesn't get that number before the convention starts, or let's say you get to the convention and you have a floor full of people out here who have trump signs, but on the first vote he does not get enough to
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get the nomination, then we have a problem because a floor fight is under way at that point. why? because after the first vote many of these delegates become unbound. that means they can vote for whomever they wish, not necessarily the person chosen by the people back in their state. so people holding trump signs may suddenly be holding cruz signs or maybe kasich signs or maybe signs for somebody else altogether. every state has its own rules, the convention will have its rules when it starts and it won't always be clear which rules override other rules, you can bet all three of those campaigns will be doing all they can to twist arms out here to bend the rules and push the referees to try to get an advantage. and it could get very bitter and very nasty. but there is a reason the party does not want that to happen. overwhelming reason. look at this from the pew research center. these are the numbers. in the republican party if the nominee is chosen on the first ballot, 64% of the time that
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nominee will go on to win the white house. second ballot or later, only 50% of the time. these numbers by the way are even worse for the democratic party. there is a real cost to be paid by a party that goes into its convention undecided. poppy. >> tom, thank you so much for that look. we are waiting to hear from hillary clinton and donald trump. they are set to speak live in wisconsin. first though, changing gears, when a traumatic back surgery robbed a girl of her childhood, she refused to give in. it is today's turning point and dr. gupta looks at how she transformed her pain into a will to win. >> this look is said to intimidate janet lee's opponents. for this pool player there is more than meets the eye. >> a common misperception why i look the way i do is to look intimidating. but it's because my spine doesn't curve up. >> she was diagnosed with
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a series of unexpected controversies rocking donald trump's campaign this week. you're looking at live pictures of the camera is getting adjusted waiting for him to speak in wisconsin. hillary clinton also set to speak live this hour in
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eau claire. we'll bring you those events when they happen. back to trump and the week that was. for any other candidate this would be detrimental. not the case for the front-runner donald trump. our dana bash has more. >> when all else fails for donald trump, he tries to change the subject. >> ted cruz was my roommate. i did not like him at all. >> slamming ted cruz in a new instagram videos, causing a bipartisan fire storm with these comments. when asked if women should be punished for having an abortion if it became illegal. >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishmentment. >> for the woman. >> yeah. >> that trump recanted in hours and later added this. >> could be i misspoke. this was a long convoluted subject. >> he has not taken back what he said at cnn's town hall for more
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nuclear weapons in asia. >> we have to say we're better off if japan protects itself. >> now trump is refusing to rule out using nuclear weapons in europe. >> europe's a big place. the last person to use nuclear would be donald trump. that's the way i feel. i think it is a horrible thing. the thought of it is horrible. but i don't want to take anything off the table. >> trump's rivals continue to blast him. >> nominating donald trump would be a train wreck. and that's not fair to the train wrecks. >> the problem for him with town halls he has to answer questions in a specific way. >> kasich also went after ted cruz for having a thin leadership record. >> his record is shutting down the government and making everybody he works with upset. >> as trump sees his unfavorable ratings rise and support among women fall he is quick to point out he is still the front-runner by a long shot and that even if he arrives at the gop convention
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in july without winning the nomination, if he is close it should be him. >> i think that whoever has that kind of an advantage should get it. >> the first time politician is also learning that seizing the republican nomination takes more than just winning contests, it takes winning over delegates in some states where rules vary. sources tell cnn that educating trump about the complicated delegate process was the subject of trump's meeting this week with republican party chair reince priebus at rnc headquarters in washington. >> actually a terrific meeting i think. it's really a unity meeting. >> cnn is told that he used the meeting to ease up on trashing the rnc, as trump did this week at cnn's town hall. >> i've been treated very unfairly. i'll give you an example. >> by who? >> i think basically the rnc, the republican party. dana bash reporting. thank you.
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did donald trump have the worst week ever for his campaign? or, can nothing really turn his loyal fans away? my panel is back with me. jeffrey, to you first. the trump supporter, you stood by him through all of the comments, people said this is it, this is it, was this,
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though, the worst week yet for your guy? >> the thing is, poppy, i mean, i've been around the circus for a long time. and candidates have bad moments action they have bad times. and if they are good, they'll eventually come out of it. i think donald trump is pretty good at this. i think he is getting better and i think he certainly will come out of this. has he had a difficult time, yes, but as i say the reuters tracking poll is very interesting because it happened to track exactly with the same time period, yet his numbers went up. so i really don't -- really don't see this. i'll say this. i would much rather have a bad week like this than be told i have to have a one on one with the director of the fbi which is hillary clinton's situation. >> david gergen, to you. worst week? is the needle moving? >> no good horrible week. with all due respect to jeffrey
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the way the numbers moved in wisconsin and does suggest it's had an impact. let's be clear, he can recover. new york is coming up after wisconsin, and there he's got a very -- had a sizable lead. he has pennsylvania around then. so there's some states that probably are not cruz country. about it i think he has to change. we keep looking for this. there have been moments he looks like he is changing and a more presidential candidate. looking more like a president, winning people back. i think people are still would like him to -- there are a lot of people would like to see him succeed but they are having serious serious doubts. and the deeper the hole the harder it is to climb out. the first thing you've got to do is stop digging. >> van jones, what say you as a democrat to what jeffrey lord said about hillary clinton's e-mails and benghazi and investigation? he says he'd rather be in trump's shoes. >> first of all, the hole that
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he digs is mr. gergen was saying he didwith his mouth, he just keeps digging deeper and deeper. i think we're in a situation where for a lot of people, the emperor has no clothes. we're at that moment where suddenly people look at this guy and they -- am i looking at what i'm seeing? is this guy literally up here making it up as he goes along. and i think that has really cost him with people who were beginning to move. newt gingrich who is you know a friend of mine and somebody i admire was out there trying to make the case for donald trump. he was out there trying to prepare the party to accept him. newt has come out and said harsher stuff than i have said about donald trump. >> i got to leave it. >> that's a problem for him. >> van jones, david gergen, jeffrey lord, thank you all. a quick break. up next waiting for the two front-runners of both parties to speak live in wisconsin.
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