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the latest. make sure you tune in all day tomorrow and all night. that is it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. "ac 360" with mr. anderson cooper starts right now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news. this network and the two democratic candidates have reached an agreement on another cnn debate. it's going to take place in new york city on the 14th. just five days before the primary in new york. wolf blitzer will be moderating. it is a fitting capper to a very full day in the run-up to tomorrow's primary. donald trump telling john kasich, hit the road jack, get out of the race, asking supporters to tell him seal the nomination. governor kasich, who is on the program tonight, calling ted cruz, senator smear, telling him and trump to get over it and put aside the personal attacks and prepare for a contested convention in cleveland. senator cruz with a late-night rally in walk ka shaw wisconsin saying there will only be two candidates left by then, himself
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and donald trump. donald trump has a late-night event in milwaukee practically next door to a bernie sanders event. he's hoping to nab another victory in wisconsin tomorrow while campaigning hard for an upset in new york where he and hillary clinton will meet on the debate stage a week from thursday. in the meantime, he's suggesting that his success is making her nervous. a lot of maneuvering. plenty to talk about. sara murray is at the trump event in milwaukee. i understand that his wife melania will join him there as well? >> reporter: that's right. we're expecting melania to join her husband on the campaign trail which is significant and trump's part of rocky week has been his image among female voters in the wake of back and forth on abortion and suggesting that maybe women deserve to be punished if they get abortions if that's made illegal and, of course, he walked that back. if melania joins him on the stage, it will be interesting to
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see if she speaks on his behalf ahead of the wisconsin primary. anderson? >> and he admitted last week may not have been his best. how much damage control has the campaign been trying to do? >> reporter: i think it's less damage control and more back to basics. we saw donald trump at his third campaign event and it's rare for him to be campaigning this hard. i think he's sticking with the things that he knows best and if you're donald trump, what are the things that he knows best is how to hit your opponents and he's been doing that all day long. he's been hammering ted cruz and john kasich, calling for kasich to step aside and get out of the race and i think we're going to hear a little more about that tonight, anderson, but one thing to note is, there are a lot of empty seats in this room here in milwaukee. this is not necessarily friendly territory for donald trump and he's trailing in the polls just howeve hours before the primary. if he ekes out a victory, it
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will be a come-from-behind win. >> bernie sanders had this to say about his opponent. >> i think the secretary is getting very nervous. poll after poll shows us doing better against trump than she is. >> our brianna keilar is there. it's a final push for wisconsin. they are in a dead heat in wisconsin. do they think they will be able to pull a victory off tomorrow? >> reporter: yeah, i think they do, anderson. you hear bernie sanders there talking a very big game about what he is expecting out of his performance tomorrow night in wisconsin. the campaign is looking a lot at michigan where we saw the upset and they think the demographics are replicated in wisconsin and also that he's going to be doing really well with college students and also with labor voters. you've seen that in his final push. he's emphasizing free public university for students and also he's really trying to critique
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hillary clinton on her passive work for trade agreements, 1/2 fa and the asia pacific partnership that she supported as secretary of state and is now against. so i think that this is certainly something that they are feeling very confident about but the question is, what is the margin going to be, anderson, because these delegates are awarded proportionately. right now, the polls show them neck-and-neck. >> and after wisconsin there's new york. clinton started to downplay new york. are they confident that he can pull off a win there? >> reporter: i think you're seeing her concentrate so much on new york because this is key for her to win her adopted home state. she was a senator there. people know her there and they took a chance on her in 2001 when she was first lady and running for the senate. i think they do think that the race favors her but they are also trying to portray and they are trying to shore up the support for her. that's why she's there today. she's in upstate new york, which
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is an area that could favor bernie sanders more than new york city where the diversity is going to be a positive for her. i think the clinton campaign is trying to manage expectations a little more in wisconsin than they are in new york. the thing that they are also emphasizing, anderson, they think soon hillary clinton will have an insurmountable lead and despite the fact that bernie sanders may be beating her in wisconsin and challenging her in new york because of the way that delegates are awarded, they still think overall they are in a much better position than bernie sanders. >> brianna keilar, thanks. there's no shortage of news heading into tomorrow and beyond. joining me now, all-stars, angela rye, margaret hoover, tara setameyer, former communications director and ross is a conservative columnist for
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"the new york times." with us as well, trump supporter kayleigh mcenany. how much of a tipping point do you think wisconsin could be? >> i think the momentum has favored cruz. if you give me a man-to-man race, donald trump will shrink under the pressure and cruz will perform well. in utah, cruz won overwhelmingly and now going into wisconsin where trump was leading at one point by nearly 20 points, cruz is now ahead. that has to do with not with trump's implosion but also cruz gaining support from someone like governor walker, a great infrastructure and running a very smart campaign that's built to go the distance and win. >> kayleigh, you're a trump supporter. if trump loses in wisconsin, how does he spin that? because it would take some of the momentum he got from the last big round of primaries and
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also be an indicator that some of these comments and campaign tactics have really hurt him. >> sure. you want to win every state, obviously. but i think that it's important to acknowledge something that was written in "the new york times," which i think is a great analysis by nate cohen. he said that trump's problem in wisconsin is a demographic problem. it's not a momentum problem. he said, in fact, that "the new york times" has been saying for a while that when you look at wisconsin, electorally it was supposed to be one of donald trump's worst states and wisconsin is highly religious. there's an education demographic issue there. it goes into a whole analysis of why demographically this state was never supposed to be trump's ideal state. the point is, once wisconsin is over, we look forward to connecticut, new york and new jersey, pennsylvania. i could go on and on. all states where cruz is not poised to do well. >> tara, you're sort of in the anybody but trump category. do you think that there has been some sort of a turning point? obviously he had a bad week. he's made plenty of comments in
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the past that a lot of pundits have said, look, that's the end of him and he only rises in the polls. >> well, i think before they were kind of one and done. here it's been a cascading of events for the last month, i'd say, since the kkk comments when he played coy as hillary clinton -- and the violence at his rallies and comments about women and comments about ted cruz's wife. i think it's been one on top of the other and then, of course, his foreign policy positions. no one really understood that. there's definitely the last week way as highlight of what's been going on for the last month. i would take issue with that wisconsin wasn't a good place demographically for donald trump. their manufacturing was a big deal in wisconsin and a lot of manufacturing jobs have left there. so the issue of trade, you would think would resonate with people in wisconsin yet ted cruz is still winning by 10 percentage
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points in some polls he's winning because perhaps the people of wisconsin are looking into totality, maybe trump is not the guy. his willful ignorance on some issues are something that they don't aappreciate. >> i'd like to be as optimistic as you, tara, but i'm not. we've been saying for a long time, trump can't get over 30, 35%. you have all of these candidates in the race and now none of them are there. trump's popularity has plateaued. i think amanda is right, ted cruz is benefitting from an incredible conservative primary infrastructure. remember, wisconsin has had many, many elections over the last six years. one recall. senate recalls, john doe examinations judicial elections and a highly conservative and charged electorate and that's what ted cruz is benefiting from. >> and really quickly, scott
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walker endorsed him and he's the one who has that infrastructure there and that makes a difference and talk radio has been very critical of donald trump really examining his record. he's been not getting the pass on -- >> i agree but this is actually why i think kayleigh is right, though, that wisconsin is a disstdi distinct tif state and it has a disstin tif talk radio culture that's been hostile to trump in a way that national talk radio hasn't been. i think it's sort of an expect takings game. we expected cruz to do better in wisconsin than he would in, say, new york. the question is how much better does he do and really we're in delegate math territory. >> right. >> how much do the margins matter, do you think? >> well, they matter because wisconsin is partially winner take all. the margins -- cruz needs big margins in order to beat trump in the northwestern districts where trump is expected to do well and if he does, you're in a
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scenario where cruz could get to 35 or 40 delegates and trump could be shut out and that would be a big win for the never trump forces because they were expecting trump maybe to lose but come away with 15 or 20 delegates. >> angela, do you think there's a danger in reading too much into a potential trump loss tomorrow? >> yeah. >> because certainly the cruz people are going to spin it as, look, this is the beginning of the end and what we've been talking about all along. >> yeah. i think the tough part is, just like the the democratic side, the math doesn't tell the same story. the reality of this is, in wisconsin, ross just mentioned, it's a highly politically charged electorate and it is on both sides. i was looking at past numbers from 2008 and 2012 and owe 14. this is the same state that elected barack obama and turned around and elected senator johnson and baldwin. i'm talking about people who
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couldn't be further apart. i don't think it's going to tell anything decisive speaking to the general which is something i hear when we're talking about the republican primary and i think it's going to be really interesting to see. cruz will pull it out based on all of the polling results that we've seen and cbs has senator cruz six points ahead of trump. >> kayleigh, you are much more bullish on new york for donald trump, on some of the upcoming states after wisconsin? >> absolutely. and that's key, especially a state like new york where you see in polling, donald trump breaching this 50% mark. if donald trump breaches 50% in new york, he wins 95 delegates and becomes a winner-takes-all state and the map looks good for donald trump. wisconsin, absolutely, it will be a damper on momentum slightly but ross hit the nail on the head with his analysis and the key number we want to watch tomorrow is 35%.
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if donald trump falls below 35%, that's an indicator that the past week has hurt him. that's the ceiling that we want to see him breach in order to show that this is a demographic problem and not a momentum problem. >> when trump said that he could act presidential and that would be, quote, boring as hell, is that a good headline for somebody trying to get past a bad week? >> i tend to take the melania and ivanka view. i do want donald trump to look more presidential. i like the donald trump that i saw at aipac. i don't like the donald trump that retweets pictures of heidi cruz. i think he'd be wise to listen to his wife and daughter but keep the funness that people like at the rallies. >> the national question is, well, then why doesn't he? he is the master of his own demean most of the time. trump does what trump does. >> i'm not sure that's the term to use. >> well, he can choose to behave the way he wants to and he can
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choose to behave like this. that's what's concerning to a lot of people like me and for the 75 -- 73% of women who look at him unfavorability for the majority of republican who is do not support donald trump. he's only averaged 37% of the vote up until now. so that behavior, why he chooses to behave like a reality show character instead of taking this seriously and acting like a president of the united states is something that i think should trouble everyone. >> he has been saying that he could do this, that he has many people and he can act however, you know, that he would surprise people once he gets into the office. that raises the question, can he do that or is he just choosing not to? >> he's had many opportunities to try. the reason we're looking at a contested convention is because he hasn't risen to that level. he's gotten quiet and tried to be nice and throw as temper tantrum once again. although his wife may be encouraging him to act presidential, his words are not
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enough. >> tomorrow we're going to have a long night with wisconsin and melania trump just made some remarks in milwaukee. we'll hear from her next. and john king walks us through the battle state by state and sometimes person by person for republican delegates. and later, the democratic battle with the clinton camp sniping at sanders and sanders predicting victory in wisconsin tomorrow and then new york. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you ♪
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donald trump and ted cruz holding campaign rallies. first, donald trump speaking right now. let's listen. >> i said, well, what do you think? but i'm not seeing polls that are great. i'm down in some. he said, no, no, you're going to win but you have to be there. come in and talk to the people like we did this afternoon at the hangar -- >> before he began his wife melania had some rare words. we don't often hear from her on the campaign trail. let's listen. >> hello. it is wonderful -- thank you. we love you, too. it is wonderful to be here today with you and with my husband. i'm very proud of him. he's hard worker. he's kind. he has a great heart. he's tough. he's smart. he's a great communicator. he's a great negotiator. he is telling the truth. he's a great leader.
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he's fair. as you may know by now, when you attack him, he will punch back ten times harder. >> trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! >> no matter who you are, a man or a woman, he treats everyone equal. he's a fighter. and if you elect him to be your president, he will fight for you and for our country. he will work for you and with you. and together, we will make america strong and great again. thank you. >> melania trump stumping for her husband who could be facing a crucial test tomorrow. for ted cruz, this could be the moment his ground game and stop
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trump forces add up to victory in wisconsin aided by local conservative talk radio and wisconsin news voters who might gristle at trump's brashness. either way it will end up -- add up to votes and delegates and possibly a turning point in the race. laying it out by the numbers, "inside politics" anchor john king. trump and his critics seem to be in agreement tonight. tomorrow's wisconsin primary is critical. maybe even a turning point. >> maybe the moment of trump for stop trump movement or trump himself. let's look back a bit. the math. if you go back to march 1st, at that point donald trump was starting to open up his lead. needed 52% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. now the middle of the month, march 15th. his numeric lead is getting bigger but his lead is not. so where are we today? on the eve of the wisconsin
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primary, donald trump needs 56% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. to get to 1,237 before the convention which is why wisconsin and new york two weeks later makes so much -- have so much stakes in this race. candidate trump promised to surprise today. the polls show him down in wisconsin. what if he's right and pulls off a win, splits the delegates. let's say ted cruz comes in second, kasich third. donald trump gets the plurality of the delegates but a win. if he gets that's win, the top trump forces have stumbled. let's say he wins with 50% plus. if donald trump can do that, win in wisconsin and get some delegates and win in new york and get all the delegates, he's pull away from ted cruz and improves his math. a win in wisconsin with some. donald trump would only need 50% of the remaining delegates. he'd be taking a lot of air out of the stop trump movement. let's say the polls are right and cruz wins in the state of wisconsin.
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and john kasich comes in second and wins a couple of congressional districts. donald trump either gets nothing or a few delegates. if that happens and then takes the air out of trump's polls. let's say he gets 45% of the vote but he's under 50. he has to share the delegates. kasich is second and cruz third. that's not as significant who comes in second, third. even though trump won in new york, if he's shut out of wisconsin and has to share the delegates, look at his math. he'd need 61% of the remaining delegates. if this scenario plays out, a loss in wisconsin essentially a shutout for trump and he has to share the new york delegates. the stop trump delegates think they have him. the morning of the 20th, we're heading to an open convention. >> there are some smaller state delegates taking place that
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could also hurt trump, right? >> want to switch maps. this weekend out in colorado, they had some -- they are beginning their process there. about halfway through. ted cruz picked up delegates. donald trump having a hard time doing the nuts and bolts of state by state convention organizing. in north dakota, the bulk decided this weekend. they'll come to the convention in cleveland uncommitted. they aren't pledged to donald trump on the first ballot. also in both of these states, frees up people to vote for rules maybe in a way at the convention that trump doesn't like. and then in tennessee over the weekend, donald trump won tennessee. he will get all of his pledge delegates. all the vote he's deserves he won on primary day but the state party is filling them with people not loyal to trump. even though they may vote for trump on the first ballot and the second ballot as required by law, they are free agents after that. when it comes to voting on the rules at the convention, can we put other candidates' names into nomination? those delegates, even though they have trump badges, may not be loyal to their candidate. >> john, stay with us.
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i want to bring in a new face. a wrangling delegate. cnn delegate analyst and chief of staff mike shields. even though trump has recently hired staff to wrangle delegates, the cruz campaign seems to be out ahead of him on that. and that head start, could that make a difference now and in the future? >> i think it could and it is. what you're seeing in places like north dakota is the fact there's organizations on the ground that ted cruz has had from the beginning. he built his campaign from the bottom up, including people that understand the delegate process that have relationships with people in these state parties when it comes to selecting the delegates. in the end, these delegates are people and have political leanings. you have to campaign to them like you campaign to other voters. ted cruz tz's organization had a
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lead not only on donald trump but the other candidates in the campaign as well. >> explain how it works. it's confusing for a lot of people. certainly for me. how does it work to win over delegates? do you -- as you said, it's campaigning directly to them? it's not enough for donald trump to have a big event somewhere and potential delegates, see him on tv? you have to have direct contact? >> yeah, it's a grassroots politicking. there was a scene in north dakota in a hotel lobby. you had ben carson as a surrogate for donald trump. carly fiorina in the same lobby for ted cruz. and they were going back and forth and talking to delegates trying to win them over. you have cookouts, parties that people are throwing. they are doing everything they can to win them over. a lot of these folks are party regulars. the people you see at the convention wearing the funny hats and pins that have been involved in the party. some are predisposed to be ted cruz-type republicans when this starts. that's another thing donald trump has to face. he's going against ted cruz with people that are sort of tea party regulars and trying to win
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them over to his side when he hasn't been involved in party politics at the local level. he has a little extra hurdle in some of these states. >> we're watching carly fiorina speaking on behalf of ted cruz in waukesha, wisconsin. cnn is reporting several republican state officials are unaware of prohibitions on delegates accepting gifts or travel help. campaign could essentially, or could they buy a delegate off and still be within the law? >> they can try to curry favor. we'd watch those. local media back in their states would watch those. if you are a member of congress, governor and state legislator, and delegates, there are ethics rules about that. if you are the state party chairman and also the republican state chairman of the republican national committee or someone else that wants to show up at a delegate. there some are state rules but not a lot. you can curry favor. as mike just noted, you can have
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receptions for them, take them to parties, put on a show. if donald trump wanted to, put them on your plane and fly them to mar-a-lago for the weekend and talk to them about that. we would see such things but you can lavish some gifts on the delegates or some flattery on the delegates, some big events on the delegates. some big events on the delegates. and we'll watch and see as this plays out. it could come down to the undecided delegates. the idea you'll buy a delegate, i don't think that's going to happen. or it will happen one or two places. it's interesting to watch because each and every delegate matters. the little things the campaigns do to curry favor will be interesting. >> thanks very much. coming up, does john kasich think he has a chance in wisconsin tomorrow. if not, what about his chances moving forward? i asked him about that and about trump's advice that he should, quote, get the hell out. hear his reply to that, next. make a statement... goo make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪
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welcome back. three live events in the run-up to tomorrow night's wisconsin primary. sanders, trump and cruz taking it down to the wire. the two republicans taking more shots at one another. john kasich who is running third. earlier today donald trump telling john kasich to get the
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hell out. and that's a direct quote. at a rally this morning, a recent poll showed trump down behind ted cruz, trump turned his sights on kasich saying he's only won one contest in his home state of ohio. first, let's listen to some of what trump had to say. >> he ought to get the hell out, honestly. that doesn't mean he has to quit because he can go to the convention and put his name and say i want to run for president. he's like a stubborn guy. he's stubborn. he doesn't want to leave. they asked him, are you going to leave? no. he hurts me more than cruz. cruz wants him out. he hurts me. a recent poll came out where i get many more of his votes than cruz gets. >> i spoke with governor john kasich a short time ago. governor, how do you respond to what donald trump and ted cruz are saying that you are essentially a spoiler and should get out of the race? >> well, both of them said that i'm taking their votes from their voters. i mean, one guy asked me today, he said trump says you're taking his voters and cruz says you're taking his voters. how can you be taking both?
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i said i'm taking both because as people get to know me and understand my record and positive vision and all these things, of course i can get votes from both of them. i think i heard today that senator cruz has to get like 102% of the remaining delegates. that's kind of impossible. this is what he's been saying about me. everybody needs to chill out. i'm in new york. we're going to do well here. i'm going to pennsylvania. we're excited about that and going to an open convention where people are going to learn more about picking presidents than they do just on snapchat. >> you called senator cruz a smear artist. he's running an ad about your ties to corporation that got tax breaks in ohio. i saw a quote from the ohio ethics commission saying you had made what he called a clean break from that company. do you believe that attack is part of a broader strategy by the cruz campaign to try to take
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you down? >> he is senator smear. people seem to be pointing things out. i am not a pin cushion or marshmallow. he smeared ben carson. he smeared marco rubio. he smeared donald trump. now he's smearing me. and "the wall street journal" even pointed out that he smeared me in an editorial last week. this guy plays that kind of politics. it's down, it's dirty, it's negative n not uplifting. but that's what we deal with. and we'll put one foot in front of the other and keep going with a positive vision. but i've got to tell you, anderson. don't push me around. you think you can push me around and get away with it, but you're wrong. i'm going to keep this campaign on the high tone. i did an event at hofstra tonight. we're going to go tonight. i'm here in teddy roosevelt's house. he shook everybody up, and so will i. >> you expressed a displeasure with the fact that a superpac was running an ad in which they called cruz a liar.
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you later called on them to take it down. do you think the cruz campaign is -- >> no, i don't like to use the word liar. but i am being smeared. and that's not a word i made up. "the wall street journal" used that word. he's been doing it to everybody. that's the dirty game they pay. and i understand it. i'm a big boy. i've had this stuff done against me before. here's the problem. you should take the high road to the highest office in the land, not the low road. when i stood on that stage and watched those guys call each other names, i was appalled by what i saw. we got a lot of kids watching this thing. set a good example, not a bad example. and i'm not going to use the word liar. i'm just not going to do it. but just run positive because if you come after me, i'm not going to sit there and take it, anderson. i'm not some kind of a dummy. i know how to fight back, but i would prefer to be talking about creating jobs, future for our kids. i grew up in an environment where people had economic insecurity. i have addressed it when i was in washington and largely improved it with the help of a
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big team. and in ohio. we've gone from real bad times to pretty good times. i want to take that formula to washington. and that's what people need to hear. >> so senator cruz told fox news today, quote, i don't think it's a state secret that donald's personal life hasn't been immaculate. do you think donald trump's personal life or any candidate's personal life should be on the table? does it fall under the heading of character which is -- >> no, no. i think this whole personal life and personal attacks, get over it. tell people what you are for. tell them what your programs, plans and record is about restoring hope in this country. spend time talking about donald trump's personal life, no thank you. i don't want to talk about people's personal life. forget it. you're going to drive all the best people out of this
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business. who wants to put up with this nonsense. get over it. present a positive vision. and the reason sometimes candidates don't is because they don't have a positive vision. that's what it gets down to. >> all eyes on wisconsin's primary tomorrow. do you think there's any way, you can actually win that contest. have you ever thought you could win wisconsin? >> i think -- we have focused on areas where we think we have a good chance. a large part of the state doesn't know me. what i will tell you is in the fall i'm the one republican that could win that state. i'm in new york today because we're -- we think we have pretty good momentum and strength here in new york. we'll be in pennsylvania and the race goes on, anderson. the race goes on all the way to cleveland. >> governor kasich, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. we also invited donald trump and ted cruz to be on the program tonight. they declined. the battle for wisconsin playing out beyond the states. i'll speak to a popular radio host in wisconsin who says trump does not understand the way it works in her state.
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one distinguishing feature of donald trump's campaign is it seems no matter what he says or
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mistakes he makes his supporters don't seem to be bothered. do his fans even care? gary tuchman takes a look. >> reporter: five hours in the snow to see their man. these are the trump true believers. >> whatever he does, you don't care? >> it's okay with me. i stand by him because i believe in him and know what he'll do is right. >> reporter: so if he put out hot coals at this rally, would you walk over the hot coals for him? >> absolutely. you put them out right now, i will. put them out right now, i will. >> reporter: and more and more of these true believers are adopting an us against the republican establishment viewpoint. >> do you think the republican party is trying to steal the nomination from donald trump? >> absolutely. >> reporter: you all agree with that? >> yes. >> reporter: do you think there's a conspiracy to take this away from donald trump? >> absolutely. i've voted republican my whole life. i'll follow trump whether he goes independent, third party, i'm voting for him either way.
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>> mr. donald j. trump! >> reporter: across the state in lacrosse, a different trump rally but the same sentiments. >> i think they're trying to pull a fast one. >> republican party? >> yes. >> i think the republican party is not only going to, they're not going to try, they're going to steal it from him. >> reporter: if trump doesn't get the nomination, would you support the republican nominee? >> i wouldn't. >> reporter: so what would do you? >> i would stay home. >> reporter: presidential candidates often get the benefit of the doubt. but it's increasingly evident that nobody cultivates loyalty more successfully than donald trump. >> i just love trump, and i don't want anybody else but the trump. he's my man. >> reporter: like the candidate himself, many of them agree if donald trump is mistreated by the republican party this election, they'll return the favor. >> if they steal it from him, i think he's going to get the 1,237. if they try any shenanigans to take it i'll leave the
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republican party forever. >> reporter: a lot of these trump true believers travel around the country to come to trump rallies like dead heads in the 1970s to see grateful dead concerts. one guy i spoke with said this is his 30th. anderson? i >> a couple of dead heads still out there. >> joining me now is vicki mckenna. good to have you on again. you just heard in gary's piece some of the trump true believers believe the republican party is trying to steal the nomination from him. is that a viewpoint you -- what do you say to that? >> well, they are not -- no one is trying to steal anything from donald trump. it isn't the republican party's fault his delegate game leaves a lot to be desired. he didn't understand there were different roles for different states. it came to him very recently. the delegate rules are the delegate rules. if donald trump doesn't know how to play the delegate rules and
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his supporters misunderstand that as shenanigans, there's nothing i can do about that. there's no talking his supporters off his campaign. that is abundantly clear in wisconsin and i'm sure in other states. >> over the weekend, sarah palin stumped for trump. did her appearance help make her case? >> her appearance was scattered and bizarre. her appearance didn't help him, certainly. the question is did her appearance hurt him? it was singularly the worst political speech i've heard and that's not the sarah palin that most wisconsin people remember from the 2011 tea party rallies she helped us with in our state. i don't know if she hurt him. she certainly did him no favors in milwaukee on friday night. >> trump's confident he's going to win wisconsin. as you pointed out, he hasn't had the same strong presence in the state that cruz has. is he underestimating what it's going to take to win a vote there?
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>> donald trump doesn't know what it takes to win wisconsin. he's spent no time trying to learn about wisconsin. first off, you have to be organized in wisconsin. you actually have to know the lay of the land in wisconsin. donald trump is unfamiliar with the six years of political warfare we've been engaged in. he's entirely unfamiliar with the reforms passed by a conservative legislature and governor scott walker. he's entirely unfamiliar with the fact that way back in 2007 we started kicking those establishment, whatever that means now, but those entrenched big government republicans to the curb. we are way ahead of the curve on trying to right the ship that is, you know, the republican party. at least in terms of conservative principles. when donald trump comes in here and -- go ahead. >> how important is the walker support for cruz? >> huge. it's huge. this is walker country in wisconsin. governor walker is an enormously popular governor.
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he enjoys substantial support from every wing of the republican party from the most conservative and libertarian leaning to some of the more moderate republicans. governor walker didn't win by doing it alone. he didn't do it by walking down the center of the aisle. he won by creating coalitions based around conservative principles, limited government, tax reform. that's how he pulled together enough people to turn a blue state red in 2010. it's how he managed to get his reforms through in 2011. it's how he survived a recall in 2012 and was re-elected governor in 2014. >> he's speaking there in support of ted cruz. always good to have you on. thank you. we're looking ahead to tomorrow and new york. the latest from the democratic campaign trail. or told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2
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clinton more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of pressure. so don't tell her this, but i think we win here, we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> reporter: he's counting on college students and union workers to give his campaign a boost in tuesday's primary. >> i am not a candidate who goes to the unions and goes to work and then leaves and goes to a fund-raiser with wall street. you are my family. >> reporter: clinton tries to defend herself. >> when trade is done right, it helps put thousands of wisconsin companies in a better position to export billions of dollars. >> reporter: it's a sensitive topic for clinton because of her support of nafta in the '90s and a trade pact with asian and pacific countries she support as secretary of state. an accord she now opposes. the latest polls show the race a dead heat, perhaps why clinton added a last-minute swing through wisconsin.
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her campaign is downplaying expectations. >> we always knew it was going to be tight. i think wisconsin to some degree favors senator sanders. but, look, it's going to be close. >> reporter: clinton spent today campaigning in her adopted home state of new york. attending an event touting the move to raise the minimum wage. ahead of the april 19th primary with 247 delegates at stake. >> this is what makes america great. >> reporter: taking a shot at gop front-runner donald trump. >> donald trump has said that wages are too high. here's fired? that's funny. >> reporter: this as a debate over debates is raging in the democratic party. both campaigns agreeing to one but not a date. the clinton campaign offered a date sanders has a rally planned, five days before the primary. >> he's proposed sunday evening, april 17th. are you in? >> i'm not negotiating.
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we've proposed thursday the 14th, which gives people more time to digest what happens in the debate. is he in? >> hillary clinton said this morning she's up for debating on thursday, april 14th. are you in? >> i am not quite sure what -- how that works on our schedule. i think we can work out a date that works for her schedule, that's works for my schedule. >> and brianna, they have. three rallies going on at this moment. let's listen to senator sanders in milwaukee. >> this campaign is listening to the african-american community. what they are telling me is how does it happen that we have trillions of dollars to spend on a war in iraq that we never
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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn newsroom" starts now. great to have you with us wherever you are around the world. you're watching "cnn newsroom" live from los angeles. i'm john vause. >> and i'm isha sesay. a big hour ahead. u.s. politics. donald trump and bernie sanders campaigning into the night just a block away from each other. >> hillary clinton, ted cruz, john kasich also trying to secure last-minute votes ahead of tuesday's all-important wisconsin primary. a look at the republican ground game and why ted cruz has an edge. also, does donald trump have some dirt on roger ailes and fox news? >> and later this hour, dozens of isis suspects on the run across europe, some with direct