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hello, i'm pamela brown, in today for brooke baldwin on this busy tuesday. voters in wisconsin are weighing in on who they think should be the next president. wisconsin may possibly buck national trends as the front-runners in both parties are in a fight to first place. first to the republican side.
42 critical delegates are up for grabs and if senator cruz wins wisconsin, donald trump's path to the 1,237 delegates he needs to clinch the nomination will get much tougher. today trump is downplaying local pools. >> the polls are busy, huh? we could have a big surprise tonight, folks, big surprise. this feels like new hampshire. i think you're going to have a big, big turnout. you're going to have a great surprise. >> all right, let's get to the voters. cnn's chris frates is in green bay but we begin with cnn national correspondent jason carroll live in brookfeld, wisconsin. >> you can see, there's a few people still in live from earlier today. we saw much more than that.
we're seeing a lull here. that is expected. it is the lunch hour. the machine you see in the center, that's the machine tabulating the votes. they'll be sending it back to the county when polls close at 8:00 tonight. the trump camp feels as though the record turnout is going to work in his favor. in terms of some numbers here, 672 people had come in here, casted their votes by 11:00 a.m. 3,500 absentee ballots received here already just at this one particular location. in terms of record turnout, experts are expecting 40% of registered voters to turn out. that would equal some 1.75 million people. trump feels that's going to work in his favor. but i've been speaking to voters out here and there's one thing i think he'll have a problem with and this is anecdoticallanecdot.
speaking to two women out here. both of them at one point were considering going between trump and cruz but after that disastrous week, both these women deciding to cast their vote for cruz as opposed to trump. as you heard trump there in that sound bite in that interview, he was telling people not just there in that interview but also throughout the weekend expect a surprise here in the state. help says despite the polls showing him running behind ted cruz, he says look for that surprise he said just like we saw in south carolina and in new hampshire, pam. >> interesting, though, what those female voters told you, if trump does lose, a lot of people will be asking if that's because of the controversy surrounding him recently. interesting perspective there, thank you very much. let's turn to the democratic side. now bernie sanders says if he wins in wisconsin tonight and then goes on to take hillary clinton's home turf in new york, that's it, game over, he wins the white house. let's go live now to chris freig frates. at least in wisconsin, it's looking like anyone's game.
what are voters telling you? >> well, that's exactly right, the polling out here shows bernie sanders a little bit ahead. both hillary clinton and bernie sanders have said if there's high turnout today, wise by all accounts it looks like there will be, that they win. i can tell you here in green bay, they're seeing that same thing happening here at the polling place that we're getting record turnout. already 500 people have come through these doors since the polling place opened at 5:00 a.m. usually they see about 1,600 people. here at this location, they expect more than that today. that's good news for both bernie sanders and hillary clinton if their predictions are right. of course bernie sanders, he needs to win by a large margin. hillary clinton all week long has been downplaying expectations here in wisconsin. making the case she lost the state to then senator barack obama in 2008 by double digits. her campaign also pointing out this is a majority white state where bernie sanders tends to do better and we saw hillary
clinton already starting to campaign in new york, 250 delegates that are available there. that's a huge number, second only to california. bernie sanders needs a big upset there in order to close that deficit so we'll see if he gets the bounce he's looking for tonight in wisconsin, pam, and then takes it all to the empire state. >> both of them have a lot to lose today. thanks so much, chris frates, appreciate it. let's dig in now, why wisconsin matters so much. with me, cnn national political reporter maeve weston. and our guest the head of a pollipoll ing analysis for pro-cruz super pac. also the chairman of the campaign in rockingham, new hampshire. thank you for coming on with us. so much to discuss with the wisconsin primary. maeve, to you, why is wisconsin a critical primary? >> well, it's really false nating on both sides of the race
because this ends up being a very important night for ted cruz and for bernie sanders and donald trump. wisconsin is the place where the anti-trump movement wanted to really be able to stop him. they thought that if they could get here, that tomorrow morning, ted cruz has a big night, then we will clearly be talking about an open convention. we know that ted cruz has a really good organization in wisconsin. he's obviously got a very strong organization across country. he's been working those delegates. so it could be a big blow to donald trump's momentum tonight, or we could see a surprise as he is predicting when he was talking to voters this morning. at the same time, on the sand es er's side, this is really a place where sanders needs to have a lot of momentum so he can go zooming into those big primary states coming up, new york, new jersey, oregon. otherwise, you know, if he does not have momentum tonight, the math just looks so impossible for him that this race could
really start to wind down if he doesn't have a good night tonight. >> it's not just about delegates, it's about momentum in a lot of ways for these campaigns. lou, if trump does lose tonight, is an open convention a definite? how does he rebound if he loses? >> i don't think an open convention is a definite. if you look at his strength, his strength is going to be in new york, new jersey, california. i think there is certainly a lot of large states with a lot of delegate count that will propel him to that 1,237 or very close to the 1,237. i think tonight's a make or break for ted cruz. if cruz doesn't do well or only wins marginally, i don't think he gets the momentum necessary and going into the northeast, that's not a good area for him. it hasn't been right along. and i think you'll see complete turnaround in the trump campaign going into new york, where he picks up a very large number of
delegates out of that particular race. >> kelly, do you agree with that, this is make or break for ted cruz? what happens if trump does win? what will that mean for cruz? >> well, trump's not going to win. all the credible polls say -- >> but it's an open primary so anything could happen. >> we know in politics, especially this year, no question, anything could happen. we've been hearing since the iowa caucuses months ago that the following state fill in the blank is make or break for ted cruz. meanwhile, he's won ten states. he'll win wisconsin tonight. really, if you look at wisconsin, why is the sitting governor of ohio not even competing there? he's been in new york all week, john kasich. why is donald trump, whose message really picked up where governor scott walker left off, talking to a state with two groups that trump has done well with all primary long, why is
cruz coming in first and not third? so what happens also after tonight is the answer to your question is yes, it's more likely we will have an open convention in cleveland. what does that mean? that means cruz has to do three things. one, keep aggravating delegates in the states that remain. two, do what he did this weekend, reach into states who have already voted and get those delegates who are unbound to vote for him. just after this weekend in convention situations he got 18 of the 25 awarded in north dakota and he got the first six awarded in colorado so you have to have an infrastructure and ground game and you can't invent that overnight. >> want to go to you, lou, because we heard from jason carroll, he talked to some female voters who said they were torn between cruz and trump, they ultimately were going for cruz because of this controversy surrounding trump. how much does that concern you that this recent controversy could impact him in wisconsin? >> i think all controversies concern me, but i think there
are going to be missteps on both sides with all of the candidates. and i think it goes into the -- into the process. and i think it will be forgotten in another few days as we move on out of wisconsin. i think trump will do well in wisconsin tonight and i think moving in to the northeast, i think he will have a very strong showing. and i think for cruz tonight, this is a huge, huge election for him. >> yeah. >> if he doesn't win tonight, clearly he's going to have a problem. if he does, it keeps him competitive. i think he'll remain in strong and it will go to the end, and that's where -- i don't think this is going to end until june. >> no, but you make a good point, the stakes are very high for both cruz and trump and also on the democratic side. i want to go to some sound from president obama today. he talked about how the republican race for president has impacted foreign relations.
let's take a listen. >> i think i've been very clear earlier that i am getting questions counsel standly from foreign leaders about some of the suggestions being made. i do have to emphasize that it's not just mr. trump's proposals. i mean, you're also hearing concerns about mr. cruz's proposals. which in some ways are just as draconian when it comes to immigration for example. >> notable that the president did not mention ohio governor john kasich. kellyann, your reaction to what the president said, do you agree? >> no, the president also didn't mention any of the foreign leaders or so-called plans that rankled him. if his foreign policy was so great, then hillary clinton, his secretary of state, is running against a socialist who wants to
disengage from the entire world, and she's not, she's losing to kasich and to cruz in most polls and she's struggling to win a state like wisconsin. after tonight, she will have lost six of the last seven contests. particularly when this president did the wave in cuba, went and tangoed in argentina while brussels was burning and then said on that wednesday from a different country, well, we have a message for isis, you're not getting strong, you're getting weaker. after 30-some people died. so i think he has to own his own foreign policy. to blame candidates rather than the current commander in chief without specificity is really disappointing. >> maeve, before we wrap this up, i want to go to you for final thoughts. just the fact that this isn't a winner take all primary. it's crucial. it could be a turning point in this race. it's not winner take all. hypothetically, john kasich could be a player in the primary in terms of taking delegates away, right? lay it out for us. >> that's going to be the most
fascinating thing to watch tonight because the rules are so complex in wisconsin. so you could see ted cruz scooping up a lot of delegates. donald trump scooping up just a few delegates. and then having a sort of mixed result as we head into these bigger contests going forward. i do think that president's comments today were really sort of a gift to donald trump because it started -- and maybe even to ted cruz. it starts another robust policy debate. as we head into these contests, obviously donald trump has won over a lot of voters with his immigration proposals but president obama today was saying these proposals are impractical and i'm sure donald trump will have to talk about that. a very smart tactical move for trump to be really highlighting that position now. >> galvanizes his supporters. thanks very much. maeve, kellyann, lou, appreciate it.
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the presidential front-runners are finding wisconsin a tougher sell. that's especially true on the republican side. wisconsin voters have been slow to warm up to donald trump and his fiery rhetoric. part of it may have to do with current wisconsin governor scott walker. trump has been sharply critical of walker who dropped out of the presidential race early on endorsed senator ted cruz, but he still remains popular with
many republicans in his home state. >> i don't think he appeals to his walker supporters. there's a strong walker base in the state of wisconsin. >> i think voters are more well informed now. he doesn't play real strong with us because we're not as susceptible to his wild man ways, his rhetoric and things of that nature someone who knows wisconsin politics well, john nicole, national affairs correspondent for the nation and also a wisconsin native, good to see you john. >> it is great to be with you. >> so i'm curious, given the governor's popularity, is trump's criticism going to play a factor at all, do you think? >> yes, it is, and it plays two factors. number one, in the milwaukee suburbs, where you have the highest republican turnout in the state and also where that
turnout is sometimes so big, the numbers so large, it can really shift a statewide result. scott walker is quite popular. he used to represent that area in the legislature. he was a milwaukee county executive so he's popular in the suburbs of milwaukee. going after him in that area i think definitely doesn't help mr. trump much at all. however, remember, wisconsin has the most open primary in the country. you can look down that list, you can choose to vote for a democrat or a republican, it's very, very easy. so going after walker may help donald trump to get some independent and swing voters, especially in the northern and western parts of the state, so it cuts both ways. >> perhaps that's what he's banking on then. explain to us if you would, john, how kasich could finish third tonight but still get more delegates then second place. i think a lot of us find that confusing. >> well, we try to make it
complicated. >> you're doing a good job. >> thank you. wisconsin is a winner take most state. so if you win statewide, even by one vote, you get about 18 delegates. there's some floaters in there but basically you get 18 delegates. however, if you win all the congressional districts, you get 24 delegates. this is where it gets interesting. each congressional district, if you win it, even by a vote, you get all of its delegates. each district has three delegates. so john kasich could well win the madison area, which is -- even its republicans are relatively more moderate. he could also potentially, this is a tough one, he could win, perhaps in the western part of the state, along the mississippi river, tra dditionally more moderate area, it is possible he could equal donald trump in delegates out of the state. >> very interesting. donald trump, despite what the polls say, you know, he's saying expect a surprise tonight, that
the polls are basically wrong, he's going to end up winning, what are you expecting? >> it's always a bad day when you're a pundit because people remember what you say. my sense is donald trump has closed the gap, not all the way to get a win. he's worked very hard the last three days. he's made a lot of stops around the state. they've been smart stops. he's gone to northwestern wisconsin. to green bay. to other towns that are kind of on the periphery of the media markets but are key congressional districts. my sense is trump has perhaps caught up a bit. >> just very quickly, we were just talking about how some of the voters have told our reporters on the ground there they're now favoring cruz in the wake of what trump has said about women, other controversies. what insight can you share about how those controversies are impacting wisconsin voters?
>> they have a big impact and that is donald trump's biggest problem in wisconsin. it was a problem even before things heated up. he always polled weaker here than other places. the bottom line is wisconsin, whether you're liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, libertarian or green, you tend to be pretty nice. you try to at least, you know, be a little bit temperate in your style and i think he has always been a poor style for wisconsin. >> everyone i've ever met from wisconsin has been very nice, including you, john nichols, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. up next on the newsroom, bernie sanders says if he wins tonight in hillary clinton's home state, bam, he is in the white house. we're going to discuss both sides. plus, critics going after tim robbins for his remarks on hillary clinton. we'll speak live to someone who had to control celebrities during president obama's campaign. our special coverage continues. we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing,
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do you think democrats are addressing this issue enough? as i said, a similar law was passed in north carolina. now in mississippi. do you think this is being discussed enough? >> i think, you know, as elections, as happens in elections, we get obsessed with the horse race. if you look join line, there has been a strong movement or petitions sent around by progressives across the country urging companies to pull out of these states who have passed these laws because let's just be honest here, it's legitimizing, it's legalizing discrimination at the opinion of the lawmakers of that state. and at the opinion and choice of the private entities owners, right, so it's a legalized form of discrimination. that's something i think hurts democrats if you don't take this narrative nationally. it hurt us in down ballot races. yes, it's important to have a democrat on the ticket. who can turn out record number
of voters so the lower races, these are the issues that effect those downballot races, so they're turning out waneding as well. >> brian what do you think? >> i think these laws are deplorable. they are state sponserred discrimination. i think democrats and progress ins have done a great deal to highlight these issues. you look, indiana had to -- people say it didn't go far enough but they had to do a fix to their law in indiana. pay pal just announced they're not going to expand into charlotte because of what occurred in north carolina. and the elections will show this, the republican party is shrinking, it's becoming more isolated, and it's because of this type of thing. one of the thing it shows is the issues of being extreme in the republican party are not isolated to donald trump. this has been going on for years. it's going to harm republicans
in the fall and going to hurt them down ballot. >> of course in those states they say we're not taking away anyone's constitutional rights. we'll have a legal discussion about that later in the show. i want to pivot now to wisconsin voting today. this really looks like a tossup for the democrats. bernie sanders saying if he wins tonight and in new york, he wins the white house. what do you think about that? >> couple things, you know, wisconsin is kind of tailor made for senator sanders demographically. he should do well in wisconsin. i don't believe he will win new york. but, look, let's talk about the real math in this race. he is several hundred delegates behind hillary clinton. but let's look at the popular vote. he's losing the popular vote in this election 58-42. if there's a revolution going on in this race, it's for secretary clinton. if there is enthusiasm in this race, it is for secretary clinton. 58-42 in the popular vote is a landslide, and he is losing this
election to hillary clinton in a landslide among the popular vote. >> on that note, the clinton campaign is saying bernie sanders is basically trying to overturn the will of the voters with the lead that she has right now. how do you argue with that? >> i think that, you know, there's a lot of sneaky math happening and with all due respect -- >> tricky math -- >> but there's a 200 point pledge delegate lead. the super delegates are not elected until after the primary. most of the superdelegates aren't even chosen yet. we keep using these numbers and saying there's pledged delegates and those who are wishy watchy. most of them have not been elected yet. that is purposeful. the way it was designed because we want it to reflect the will of the people. don't expect and i don't think the sanders campaign expects many of these superdem gats who are elected to turn against the will of the voters. there's a 200 point pledge delegate lead now. but bernie sanders won michigan. he won 100 delegates in one day.
we have wisconsin coming up, new york. she was winning by 30% in new york just two weeks ago and now she's up by 12%. you see strong organization on the ground in new york. he does very well in upstate new york, whether it's bordering vermont or buffalo which is very similar to the midwest, and it's not just white voters. this is where the sneaky messaging is coming out of hillary clinton's campaign. he's won with latinos. he won in hipp awaii which is of the most diverse states in the country. >> he didn't went in nevada. >> he did, it was the convention, he won the delegates. >> did you say he won nevada? he did not win the caucus in nevada -- >> well, it went back to the state. >> he did not win in nevada -- >> so he didn't win those delegates? >> bernie sanders has won six out of the last seven races. hillary clinton has more pledge delegates. so both of them have a lot at stake tonight. that is what we do know. and we will have to see how it plays out. it's really anyone's guess at
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with the way things are going this election season, wisconsin could prove to be the most important presidential primary so far. let's bring in cnn political director david chalian to discuss the top three things to watch for tonight. david, as i mentioned, we've seen a lot of primaries so far this election season. this one is especially critical. what is the first thing we should be watching for? >> first thing we're watching for is to see, is this trump's speed bump? and i don't think we know that yet. is it just a speed bump if he loses wisconsin tonight? or does that somehow dramatically shift the landscape of the republican nomination race, i think we'll have to see how tonight unfolds. but it seems to me if trump is not victorious tonight this is headed for a contested convention. if you look ahead to the states that are coming next, he's still positioned quite well, but we have to wait and see how the
results sort of impact that future. is this just a speed bump or something more significant? the second thing is size matters. take a look at the margins of victories tonight. because if ted cruz really sort of demolishes donald trump if that were to happen, or if donald trump does not win any delegate tonight, again, he's not going to become second place guy, he's still going to be the delegate leader, but there's going to be a momentum that grows from a much more sizable win. does bernie sanders or hillary clinton somehow emerge with a big enough win to sort of put an exclamation point on it or because all the delegates are rewarded proportionately, do they split the delegates and move on to have their next fight in new york. >> if trump loses, there's sort of a couple weeks, right, until the next big primary. what will that mean for him? help or hurt him to that have gap in time? >> this is the third thing to watch for, this is the fallout.
so having two-week pause on electoral contests between this one and new york. again, they're stand-alone contests as well, pam, so they have this added import, because our attention is not divided to go only analyze the results in a bunch of different states, it's focused on that, so if donald trump, if indeed he somehow loses wisconsin, if he emerges in a bruised way that all a sudden we start seeing polls in new york and then looking ahead in april, pennsylvania, delegate, maryland, does that start shifting the race? i think we have to see the size of victories tonight, then look at the fallout from it before we're going to know. what i do think we're going to know definitively tonight if cruz wins on the republican side, this is headed for a contested convention in cleveland. >> really unbelievable. we will be watching tonight. good job just summing up why it's so important, why this is so critical. thanks so much, david chalian, appreciate it. up next on this tuesday, after tim robbins speaking out
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i'm here because of my personal conviction about barack obama and what i know he can do for america. >> shame on you, hillary. sorry, hold on. let me watch my tone. >> a principled, authentic conservativ conservative. >> i'm with hillary. >> i'm with hillary. >> i'm with hillary. join us. >> i'm a huge donald trump supporter and so should you. donald trump for president. hi, donald, love you. >> so the celebrity factor can be hit or miss in celebrity campaigns. hollywood has always played a role in front and behind the scenes of presidential campaigns but never as much as it has now, it seems. actor tim robbins, on the stump
for bernie sanders, says hillary clinton big win in the state of south carolina doesn't matter and the southern state is about as significant as guam when it companies to the general election. let's listen. >> who's fooling who? winning south carolina in the democratic primary is about as significant as winning guam. no democrat is going to win in south carolina in the general election. why do these victories have so much significance? >> so he caught a lot of flak for saying that. i want to discuss with our cnn political commentator dan pfeiffer. he also served as a presidential adviser to obama. you've been in this position before where you're dealing with celebrities who want to be involved. having a hollywood a-lister attached to you campaign, is it a good idea? stars can be liabilities, no? >> not every celebrity endorsement is equal. oprah, one you highlighted
there, was a very big deal for president obama. think campaigns have to recognize there's always risk here. you put a celebrity on stage like tim robbins, that's prolow matic. where celebrities can be helpful is getting press attention. drawing big crowds at your events like kety perry playing a concert before the event can draw big crowd there is. if they campaign for the candidate when the candidate's not there. in 2008, a lot of the cast members of "the wire" got together and did voter registration. as a communications fast, you have to be ready for the misfire, if you will. >> how do you rein them in, particularly at times like that when there is a misfire? >> well, i think it's a little bit like you give them advice, then hold your breath and hope nothing goes wrong. >> if the celebrity does go off
script from what you prep them to say, is there fallout with voters from what you experienced? >> i think the value of celebrity endorsements is probably overstated. they can be useful tactically i think. bernie sanders is going to neither gain nor lose any votes because of what tim robbins said about south carolina. it gets a lot of attention. can help build a crowd. ultimately, voters are smart enough to know, you know what, a hip-hop star or movie star or tim robbins says is interesting but not particularly informative. >> i'm just curious. some of these stars, you didn't know they were political until you see them on the campaign trail. do they normally come to the, you know, different campaigns or do the campaigns reach out to the celebrities? how does that dynamic work? >> it's a little bit of both. sometimes you meet them in the course of fund-raising, where they are supporters of the candidate or the party and so they'll be at an event usually in l.a. or new york and the campaign may ask them to do, you know, some campaigning or some other surrogate work.
sometimes the stars themselves, their people reach out to the campaign and say so-and-so feels very passionately about hillary clinton or barack obama and they'd like to get involved in the campaign or help build a schedule where they think makes sense, where the celebrity would have the most influence and would best fit with the celebrity experience and style. >> so a bit of a mix there. dan pfeiffer, thank you very much, interesting perspective. up next on this tuesday, will alabama impeach its governor? taking steps to impeach the governor. he's been embroiled in a sex scandal that led to the resignation of one of his top aides, so could he be impeached? that's next. >> you'd kiss me? i love that. you know i do love that. you know what, when i stand behind you and i put my arms around you. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan.
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alabama lawmakers took steps to move forward with impeachment proceedings with governor bentley. he is caught up in a scandal regarding allegations of an affair with his former top aide rebekah mason. mason resigned last week and bentley says he will not step down. the governor did apologize after audio recordings surfaced of him apparently making sexual remarks to mason. >> when i stand behind you and i put my arms around you and i put my hands on your breasts and i put my hands -- i love that too. >> let's get the latest on this possible impeachment with cnn's
paolo sanabal. >> the governor has apologized for those recordings. some of the lawmakers in alabama say that is not enough. the message they carry today saying actions have consequences and say he mutt be reof mooed from office. the governor releasing a statement immediately after. i want to read you a portion of that. where the governor says, quote, there are no grounds for impeachment and i will defend myself and my administration from this political attack, today's press conference is nothing more than political grandstanding that was meant to take away from the attention from several of the agenda items. told it is a complex lengthy process. they have 53 votes for the house before it passes to the senate side, where senators would then, in turn, act as jury in the trial. if they don't see that support, they would have to put it up to
the alabama voter to decide. the main interest of the story now, we're looking at a highly conservative republican governor in the state of alabama being pressured by members of his own party to leave office. >> thank you very much for that. >> you bet. top of the hour now, you're watching cnn, i'm pamela brown in today for brook baldwin. right now, wisconsin primary voters are weighing in on who should be the nation's next president. and what they decide could reshape the race. wisconsin might possibly buck national trends as front-runners in both parties are in a fight for first place. we'll get to the democrats in just a moment but first to the republican side. 42 critical delegates are up for grabs and if senator cruz wins wisconsin, donald trump's path to the delegates he needs to
cinch the nomination will get much tougher. today in a switch from his usual ways is downplaying local polls. >> the polls are busy, huh. we could have a big surprise tonight, folks, big surprise. feels like south carolina. feels like new hampshire. i think you'll have a big, big turnout. >> ted cruz leading in the polls. let's get to the voters who are going to the polls. jason carroll is live in brookfield, wisconsin. jason, i know you've been talking to voters there. what are you hearing? >> well, in terms of what we're seeing, let's go to that first. still a steady line of folks coming in. at last count, some 1200 people have come through these doors to cast their vote. want to introduce you to two of them. it's dan and vernna donovan. this man is a world war ii
veteran, 89 years old. want to thank you for you service, sir. both of you decided to vote for cruz. can you tell me why? >> i think our age, our fundamental upbringing and great-grandchildren arriving. i want to make sure. and we have a daughter that's a doctor. it's very difficult. a child that is graduating from college and he wants to go to premed and a doctor and that's a hard program for them too. >> mr. donovan, i want to get you in here as well, what about you? >> well, i was a trump man all the way for such a time as this. i thought for the various issues that were coming involved, we needed someone who would really go after these people and do their job. but what started to bother me in the end here is donald trump with starting to pick up too much excess baggage with the women aggravation and so forth, so that was the big thing that
made me change -- going to cruz. >> all right, want to thank both of you, again, and thank you for your service. thanks for coming out and talking to us. really appreciate it. thank you very much. again, despite what you hear there from these two and what we've been hearing frankly and this is just anecdotically once again, from a few people coming in here, folks, pamela, who were sort of deciding between a trump and cruz. haven't heard very much about kasich. really between trump and cruz, most of those who we've been talking to deciding in the end to go for cruz. >> very interesting perspective there on the ground from our jason carroll, thank you. much to discuss and here with me to do it, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. also joining me, the author of the book george h.w. bush, tim natali, also the former director of the presidential nixon library. and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, first to you, before we dissect everything and what we heard from voters in wisconsin,
break down for us why wisconsin matters so much. >> well, for a whole host of reasons. number one, just numbers. because this is the delegate race right now, and the 42 delegates in wisconsin are -- it's not new york numbers. it's not more than 200. but it's significant, so that's number one, just the numbers. and number two, it's the sort of psychological momentum for whoever does end up winning. assuming it is ted cruz, it keeps him in the race, not that he was going anywhere, but it allows him to make the argument to supporters and maybe more importantly donors that he genuinely is in the hunt for the nomination and could potentially pull it off. it's a long shot, but could potentially pull it off before the convention. so that is really one -- some of the main reasons, but also just big picture, wisconsin is a kind of core midwestern state.
that tell us a lot about the electorate nationwide. >> gloria, up until today we were talking about whether or not -- speculating about whether or not the controversy surrounding donald trump would have an impact and you just heard in jason's live shot that anecdotically he's hearing from voters on the ground that it has, that they voted to go cruz instead of trump. what do you make of that? >> well, we're going to know this evening. wisconsin starting out was never supposed to be a great state for donald trump. there are a lot of evangelical voters, catholic voters, voters in wisconsin tend to be higher educated, particularly around milwaukee, for example. so heading in, this wasn't going to be a fabulous day for him. if we see that donald trump does not do well like below 35% or lower than that, you might be able to extrapolate and say yes, that some of these controversies have started to drag him down
because the closer you get to nominating someone to become your party's nominee, for the presidency, the more this question of electability seems to matter and from the voters that jason was just talking to, that seemed to be going through their minds with, you know, the gentleman saying i don't think we need the aggravation of the woman problem, right, in our nominee, so he ended up going for cruz, so this is one of the things we're going to be -- we're going to be looking at tonight. >> tim, it seems like all the pundits were saying ted cruz is going to win. we see him leading in the polls. but this is an open primary. anything can happen. given what gloria said, would it be a surprise if donald trump wins? >> well, if you look at the polls, and that's really all we have to go on, cruz is ahead by at least five points. we were surprised in michigan sanders won michigan but the polls on the republican side, with the exception of kansas, have tended to be pretty good.
i think a lot of pollsters would be worried they really couldn't handicap this rate at all. here's what we need to look at though, because it's all about delegates now. how well does trump do in the congressional districts? because there are eight congressional districts in wisconsin. each one has three delegates. trump was leading in at least two of the congressional delegates, two of the congressional districts yesterday. kasich was very competitive in and around madison. so he was doing pretty well in one. the rest were going towards cruz. for trump, it's all about delegates now. his big, big prize will be new york and also california. he expects to win lots of delegates there. but he needs to do well in these smaller states to have any shot of getting close to t magic number in cleveland that people think he has a lock on the nomination. so even if he loses today, the issue is how many delegates does
he get, does he pull it out in a couple of these congressional districts? that's what we'll look at tonight. >> many are saying if he does lose, we're heading to a contested convention, bottom line. want to talk about president obama and the remarks he made today about how the race for president has impacted foreign relations. let ace listen. >> i think that i've been very clear earlier that i am getting questions constantly from foreign leaders about some of the suggestions being made. i do have to emphasize that it's not just mr. trump's proposals. i mean, you're also hearing concerns about mr. cruz's proposals. which in some ways are just as draconian when it comes to immigration for example. >> so gloria, to the republican base, any time the president speaks out against a candidate, does it actually help the candidate? >> sure, but that's fine with president.
obama. this is his legacy at stake. he believes quite honestly, it's very clear to us, he'd like hillary clinton to be the nominee, i believe. he believes that if hillary clinton runs against donald trump or ted cruz, he will win and he's going to do everything he can to help her. particularly, you know, in the head to head matchups against trump, she does very well. so if he -- by criticizing trump, if he actually helps trump get the nomination so hillary clinton can win, that's a little convoluted and a little machiavellian, and it is what it is, then it's fine with the president. >> the white house says the president welcomes questions about trump. is this all legacy? is it unusual for a sitting president to be so outspoken about presidential candidates? >> in modern times, it's a little bit unusual. if you look back on history,
which we've all been able to do watching "the race for the white house" on cnn, a little plug there, it's not that unusual for sitting presidents to be as outspoken. but gloria's absolutely right. this isn't just any president. this isn't just any time. this is not just a legacy issue but i think, give him credit, it's not just politics, he genuinely is concerned about the policies that he vehemently disagrees with, as president obama said in that clip, not just from donald trump but also from ted cruz. and if he starts in now when it gets to the general election, it's not just riling up the republicans, which i think gloria's exactly right, i think that's part of what he's trying to do, it's about the independent voters and people who aren't sure where they're going to go and, you know, president obama's words and his opinion will matter more. >> all right, gloria borger, dana bash, tim neptali, thank
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and make no mistake, what happens here could have major implications in the race for the white house. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are locked in a tight race too close to call. sanders is trying to build on his winning streak while the clinton campaign point to her lead in the delegate race. sanders and clint reason coon a completing for wisconsin. he says momentum is on his side and clinton is getting nervous. take a listen. >> so don't tell her this, i think we win here we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> so joining me now, van jones, political commentator, and clay aiken, former congressional candidate, now a bernie sanders supporter. clay, i want to go to you first to get reaction to something van said yesterday, he said there's a civil war among democrats. do you agree? >> i don't know if i would call it -- i think civil war might be a little bit of an exaggeration.
it's politics. people in political races are going to start throwing things at each other, i think that's natural. in '08, we were in the same position, people voting for hillary clinton were saying they would never vote for barack obama if he got the nomination. at the end, we saw that wasn't the case. i think regardless of who the nominee is and, yes, i voted for bernie sanders, but if hillary clinton becomes a nominee as a democrat, i'm going to rally behind her. if you look at the other side of the aisle and you'll see who they're about to put up, either cruz or trump, are certainly going to be a rallying cry. if there is a civil war, there's going to be a heck of a good reconstruction after this primary is over because the democrats will certainly ban together. >> van, do you have any response to that? >> i think he's more right than wrong. i do think there are some differences. in 2008, the young rebels backed obama and they won. and then the more seasoned forces on the clinton side came around. in this situation, the young
rebels, the idealists, are likely to lose, if you look at the math. you're going to have to have them make a tough decision to take all that energy, enthusiasm and go to the candidate they feel comfortable with. is that the right thing to do? that's the fight they're having internally. i do think that the level -- if this level of strife were happening without the circus on the republican side, we would be paying a lot more attention. when a rosario dawson comes out and gives the kind of ringing endorsement for a bernie sanders and really tough criticism of hillary clinton and almost gets no mention, that's not because of health on the democratic party side, it's because there's so much craziness on the republican side. there's a lot going on on the democratic side as well. >> a lot going on particularly just today in wisconsin. so much is at stake for both camps. but, clay, bernie sanders, as we heard, said he has momentum.
math, however, is not on his side. why is this so important for him to win in wisconsin? >> obviously, the math question is really the -- is really the issue here. obviously he certainly needs to cut into secretary clinton's lead in the pledge delegates and i think it's all about the pledge delegates. so if he wants to have any success in new york and pennsylvania and in california and oregon, on down the line, he's going to have to really cut in with a larger margin admittedly as a supporter, i realized he can't win these states by two or three points, he's going to have to win them by double digits even. >> going back to what bernie sanders also said, van, if he wins in wisconsin and hillary clinton's home turf of new york, that's it, game over, he's going to get the white house. do you buy that? >> well, you know, it's a good theory. first of all, up until now, everybody has won their home states. you know, rubio lost his home state and he got out. the reason why rubio out and kasich is in on the republican
side is kasich, even though he has fewer delegates than rubio, won his home state. rubio had more delegates than kasich but he lost his home state. so there's this kind of rule you get out if you can't win at home. i think the only theory that you can have if you think bernie can get there is he's going to surge so strong that the second surge will be so strong and clinton will start to limp and to collapse such that she even loses her home state, then the super delegates swing to bernie. what's interesting, you have bernie who was critical of the superdelegates earlier now seeing him as part of his effort. very interesting switch of positions on superdelegates going forward. >> very interesting. let's look ahead to next week's cnn debate. where's the risk and then i'll go to you, van. go ahead, clay, and then you, van. >> obviously, the risk for
clinton is that where she's dealing with her home state, she did win arkansas, she did win illinois. she's dealing with the state that she represented in the senate. she obviously on the 14th certainly needs to make sure she has strong enough performance. i think with her, she can't win new york. she's going to have to show sanders needs to win new york. i think if hillary clinton wins new york by only a few points, i think that also is going to signal to some donors that's some vulnerability there. whether or not winning by a few points will be enough to get sanders the momentum he needs on the west coast. i certainly think she needs to win new york by a sizable margin in order to stay strong and not look vulnerable. >> what's the risk to bernie sanders? >> well, look, i mean, if he does not do well in new york, i think he's going to do very well today. he had that michigan miracle which brought his hopes back.
then he was beaten in illinois. so his whole rust belt argument fell apart. now he's saying he's got to beat her here. if he can't win in new york, the danger for him going forward, at a certain point, as he ratchets up the attacks, is he just doing the republican's work for them? that's the question he's got to answer. to you start creating a core around yourself that cannot pivot in the general election? he's got to do well in new york. the surge is working. but if the surge falters here, he's got to look in the mirror and say, do i want to be known as the guy who just poisoned the well for clinton even though i couldn't get there myself? >> van jones, clay aiken, interesting perspectives from both of you, thank you. up next, donald trump puts it in writing, outlining how he'll get mexico to pay for the wall. the white house wasting no time responding. bamz calling it a half baked plan. we'll talk details and whether he can legally pull it off.
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as donald trump battles for votes today in wisconsin, the new york billionaire is laying out just how he plans to force mexico to pay for that border wall he's talked so much about. it comes in the form of a two-page memo released today. in it, trump outlines how, as president, he would threaten to cut off crucial money transfers from immigrants in the u.s. to families still living in mexico unless mexico agrees to make a large lump payment to fund his
wall. two former mexican presidents have already rejected trump's call for mexico to foot the bill and you may remember this colorful response. >> i declare, i'm not going to pay for that [ bleep ] wall. he should pay for it. he's got the money. >> all right, so there's a lot to talk about. let's bring in cnn senior white house correspondent jim acosta. tell us more about the plan, jim. >> yes, well, pam, this is the response from the trump campaign. months of criticism from inside the beltway asking trump where's your plan to force mexico to pay for this wall be at mexican border. essentially what they've laid out, it's a two-page memo essentially on the campaign website now. what it says is they're going to start cracking down, if trump is elected president, crack down on remittances coming from mexican
citizens living inside the united states perhaps illegally. what the trump campaign is saying is if the government of mexico does not fork over the $5 billion estimated to pay for this wall, that they're going to pass a rule that a president trump would essentially put through an executive action that would pass through a new regulation that would essentially crack down on those remittances, stop those remittances, force people to show proof of citizenships before they can wire money to relatives in mexico. there are other ideas in this proposal that are laid out there, talking about cracking down on visas for travelers to and from mexico and the united states, and donald trump at a campaign stop was asked about whether or not this is practical and here's what he had to say. >> it's self-explanatory. the wall is a fraction of the kind money in many different ways that mexico takes in from the united states. the wall is a fraction. you're talking about a $10
billion wall. you're talking about a trade deficit with mexico, $58 billion, and probably going to get worse. if i run it, there won't be a trade deficit. >> now, as you might expect, pam, there's some pretty fierce criticisms coming at the trump campaign other this proposal. one latino group calls it dangerous and an insult to latino immigrants and president obama himself took to the briefing room this afternoon and called it wacky and half baked. this is not necessarily a bad thing in terms of how they think about it on the campaign trail. when you go to these events, pam, by and large this is the number one applause line for donald trump. to have a former president of mexico, president obama or even some latino groups hammering away at this proposal from donald trump, this is not something they're going to
really be unhappy about. they welcome this criticism. they think it will help on the campaign trail. >> let's continue this conversation with the former governor of arizona and trump supporter jan brewer. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, it's great to be with you. >> first off, bottom line, do you think trump's plan is realistic? >> well, i haven't read the plan. i've just heard it on the news today. bottom line, it's a solution. at least he's putting ideas out there. and certainly we know that an enormous amount of money goes across our border. and if it works, good for us. >> but a solution others would say this is going to decimate the economy there and create a war between the u.s. and one of its diplomatic allies. >> well, i think most americans within the united states are concerned about our economy and we've been not having such a hot economy these last 7 1/2 years.
>> well, i think others would disagree and say the economic forecasts are positive. although we did hear donald trump say we're heading towards a recession. clearly different opinions. i want to stick to what we're talking about here with this plan from trump. president obama called the plan impractical and half baked. let's listen. >> the notion we're going to track every western union, you know, bit of money that's being sent to mexico, you know, good luck with that. then we've got the issue of the implications for the mexican economy. which in turn if it's collapsing, actually since more, force more immigrants north because they can't find jobs in mexico. this is an example of something that is not thought through and primarily put forward for political consumption. >> president obama saying this
is purely for political consumpti consumption, impractical. what is your response to that? how would you make the plan work from what you've learned about it in the news as you say? >> well, first of all, president obama should have been resolving a lot of these issues and he had the opportunity for the 7 1/2 years he's been in office and he has not done his job. and we are surely a lot of us are disappointed. we want something done for america and all of it basically stems from securing our borders, and if he would have done that, we wouldn't be facing all these issues in regards to donald's plan. if it works, fantastic. you know, at least he's coming up with solutions. i think overwhelmingly, the people of america would support him. would why would take our dollars and send them to mexico through illegal means? the majority of those people sending their money back to mexico are doing it to their
families. i understand why they do it. but that is not our problem. >> well, but others say it's difficult to discern whether people who are sending money back to their families in mexico are here illegally or not. it's very difficult to have a hard number on that. but just look at the practic practicalities here. trump is saying basically he would threaten mexico by stopping money transfers from illegal immigrants in the u.s. so mexico would pay a lump sum for the wall. how do you really target just people in the u.s. illegally sending money back to mexico? what about all the american companies who transfer money back and forth? what about someone who's traveling to mexico from the u.s. who, you know, doesn't have any money because their purse got stolen and their parents need to transfer the money? how do you hone in on just the illegal sending money to their families? >> well, one would know if you're going to put out a policy like that, your people have reviewed all of that. i don't know the intricate details regarding it. but bottom line is, he has said
it and i think if they've got the resolution to it and it works, it's fantastic. >> as you know very well governor brewer there's a local process before youan put a policy into play. some would argue this is even more executive overreach than what republicans are saying president obama's doing with the immigration plan and there's a legal process. you can't just prohibit people from receiving the u.s. financial system. there's a legal process. >> well, you know, mr. trump can speak to that himself. you know, i'm not able today to really give you any kind of deals on the subject, but certainly if it takes legality, i would think that a republican president would work with a republican congress and they could get this resolved one way or the other. >> and i just have to ask you this, governor, if you were advising donald trump on this
wall what would you tell him and would you tell him to do anything differently? >> well, i certainly believe that our borders need to be secured and i think that we all realize and know that we have to have borders and if we got the wall put up, we would resolve a lot of the other issues that we're all facing here. and it's got to happen. i've always said we have been encumbered especially in the border states enormous costs in incarceration, health care, education. incarceration costs us millions of dollars. the federal government is supposed to be paying for that and they're not. so the wall is a good idea. you know, secure our borders so we can get beyond this and then we can deal with the other issues that have come because of it. >> all right, governor jan brewer, thanks for sharing your
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bills. we have our legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny cevallos. what is your take on it? >> there are many takes. as it is, sexual orientation and same-sex marriages are now within those traditional suspect classes like race, national origin and gender and a few others. the question going forward, it appears pretty clear that a state can enact legislation prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation and about half the states have chosen to do so. but the ongoing question here is can a state pass a law that allows discrimination or packaged the way this is, that prohibits penalizing an individual for refusing to serve someone based on their sexual orientation or the fact they're in a same-sex marriage? >> so what is the key question
then, how good of a reason these states have to enact a law like this? >> if you're taking the position of the proponents of this law, your view is i have a particular religious belief, and i should be protected from participating in an activity that goes against my personal sincerely held religious tenets. the only flaw in that reasoning, while there may be several flaws, but the one flaw in that reasoning is the idea that for decades states have forced participants in the marketplace, commercial entities, to refrain from discriminating against people based on other reasons like race and national origin. so it's certainly within a state's power to force somebody in the private marketplace to serve someone of a different race or a different national orig origin. so as we go on, now that
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well, it's anyone's guess which democrat will win today's wisconsin primary, but one thing's for sure, bernie sanders and hillary clinton will face off again and cnn is hosting. clinton mentioned the april 14th event on "the view" today. >> well, we're going to have a debate. >> yes, april 14th. >> i'm glad that's finally settled. we're going to have a debate right here in new york. i'm very proud of the campaign that senator sanders and i have run because we've run it on issues compared to insults. we've tried to stay on issues and where we stand and what we do. >> that's right, five days before the new york primary, sanders will debate clinton. i'm going to turn now to cnn's jeff zeleny who is live in brooklyn where clinton's town
hall will start any moment now. neither democrat is in the state today. why is that? >> well, pamela, it is interesting. in one respect, the wisconsin primary is already in the rearview mirror. yes, both campaigns still have teams on the ground there. but the clinton campaign in particular has they believe wisconsin is not a strong state for them. there's one number that they still remember from the 2008 campaign, that's 18%, that is the number she lost to barack obama by in wisconsin. now, all of the democrat there's that i've been talking to throughout the day believe it will be closer than that. the clinton campaign has been doing a very good job managing expectations saying bernie sanders is indeed ahead. the reality is new york senate race, though she's saying she doesn't have to win it, she does have to win it. this is her fire wall. this is her adopted home state, twice elected to the senate,
that's why she's been campaigning agresivelying holding a town hall meeting talking about gun violence and foe c focussing on new york in the next two weaks. 247 delegates that's why hillary clinton is in new york today. >> it interesting, the ad that the clinton campaign focused on donald trump and almost looked like a general election ad, jeff. now she's talking about him, recently on "the view" today. take a listen and i want your reaction on other end. >> i don't understand what he thinks is the role of somebody running for president. i don't think it is to scapegoat people, divide people, engage in this kind of, you know, prejudice and paranoia. so, it's not only women and we who should be concerned. it's everybody, because of the way that he conducts himself. >> so what's your take, jeff, on
her reaction to trump? >> reporter: it is clear that one thing the best thing, perhaps, hillary clinton believes can unify the democratic party and fire up her base of supporters is donald trump. the realization that donald trump could be the republican nominee or president is her rallying cry throughout the democratic primary campaign and into the general election, should she win. that is one person who can perhaps do what she's been unable to do, get enthusiasm behind her candidacy, at least to the degree of bernie sanders and donald trump. she'll be talking about donald trump everywhere she can go because he does divide people and that message that she gave today on "the view" is something she'll be talking about advertising and to voters in the weeks to come. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. next on tuesday, two brothers facing off for the national title, one of them takes that miracle shot to win the game. for the family of two brothers competing against each other, how difficult was it to watch that game?
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villanova trying to go length of the court. three seconds. >> three seconds. >> to jenkins for the championship! >> truly unbelievable that was villanova's chris jenkins hitting the game-winning shot at buzzer in last night's championship game. his brother, nate brit jr. watched as he was playing for north carolina. >> it was a gut-wrenching game or the parent of siblings, as you can imagine. they're joining us now, melanie and nate britt sr. first off a big congratulations to you. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> well, i have to say, there is is a fascinating story, just the fact they were both in the championship game and then this is just, you know, icing on the
cake, the fact that chris made that winning shot. >> you have one that's on incredible high and then you have the other son that's on an incredible low because everybody wants to be a national champion. that's huge. and to see one -- put his head down, walk off in defeat, you know, that, i'm telling you, that -- in the pit of my stomach, it hurt. >> at the end there, so close, what was that like for you? >> i had a lot of emotions before the game started and i could not sit in my seat to watch the game. so i walked the concourse during the whole entire game and i saw the game-winning shot by chris on the monitor actually. >> it was too nerve-racking to be in there, i don't blame you. i want to talk about how chris jenkins came into your life several years ago. how did that happen, because
your his legal guardian, right? >> our team i coach basketball and we played them. we had a chance to meet the family and about nine non month later they reached out, chris jenkins, i said i'm well aware who he is, and he asked if we would mind if he'd work out with our kids because they're transitioning back and forth from south carolina to john hop incans hospital in baltimore and he would stay with us, work out and practice with us, that was all she wrote. and he was 10, 11 years old at the time. we became his legal guardian when he was 11 and he's been with us ever since. >> this is the kind of shot that will be talked about for years. how is chris handling the fame and the attention? >> oh, he's loving it right now. he's basking in the glow. i said, you always want to be prepare fodder that one moment and that one moment came last
night for chris and he knocked down the biggest shot of his life. >> well, best to him. he was definitely prepared. what a game, even for myself a tar heels fan, unc alum. i'm pam brown. "the lead" with jake tapper starts next. thanks, pam. it's decision day in wisconsin. donald trump is promising a big surprise but will ted cruz be the one surprising him? how long can john kasich stay in the game without a win? can bernie sanders keep his winning streak going against hillary clinton? so many questions. "the lead" starts right now. good afternoon. welcome to a very special edition of "the lead." i'm jake tapper. republicans have 42 delegates at stake in wisconsin today. that's the state where the gop was born in 1854. the democrats