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our special coverage. that's coming up in one hour, 8:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime, erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. of. next, breaking news, polls closing in less than two hours in the crucial state of wisconsin tonight. could the results be a game changer. it's neck and neck for clinton and sanders. could the vermont senator pull off another upset. how donald trump plans to pay for his border wall. new details from the campaign tonight. will it work. will it work. let's go "outfront." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> it is a crucial primary tonight. we're counting down the polls about to close in the state of wisconsin. we do have right now the first exit pol results just coming in to cnn. we'll get to those in just a
moment. very, very important information in there. at stake, the bottom line, 86 delegates on the democratic side. 42 on the research side. whereas we all know, every single delegate matters. the battle lines drawn. donald trump signing ought graphs in milwaukee today. as confident as ever. >> the polls are busy, huh? you could have a big surprise tonight, folks. big surprise. i think you're going to have a big, big turnout. you'll have a great surprise tonight. >> ted cruz also campaigning hard in wisconsin. and hoping for big win there. that could be a game-changer. >> if we end up with a win tonight, it is going to have national repercussions, not just for the 42 delegates at stake here in wisconsin, but i believe it is going to powerfully impact the states to come. >> john kasich under pressure from both trump and cruz who agree on one thing, they want john kasich to get the heck out of the race. he said had's not going
anywhere. we're covering all angles of this crucial election night. jim, you've been following the trump campaign from state to state across this country. tonight, you just heard him there say big surprise several times as he was signi ining autographs. is a big surprise an actual win? are they actually shooting for that? >> reporter: well, shooting for that, or perhaps win some districts in the state, in that kind of process they would win some delegates. no question about it. donald trump wants a surprise. but you're also getting a sense how the trump campaign is trying to change the narrative, perhaps put wisconsin and this bad week behind them. he will deliver some policy speeches in coming weeks. now we should point out, you know, donald trump did roll out one of those policies earlier today. and that is how to pay for that wall on the mexican border, and
making the mexican government pay for it. a come there behind victory as donald trump would like to see it, that would have a major dramatic impact on this race. it would bolster his calls on john kasich to get out, as you just mentioned, but trump's advisers are shying away from handicapping the contest here in wisconsin. and trump was being cautious about his pspects earlier today, even though he was talking about a surprise. had ewasn't predicting victory. but it is clear who trump will blame if he loses here in wisconsin. that is john kasich. trump said kasich is simply staying in this race to play the role as spoiler. as for ted cruz, he is poised to do something that he hasn't done that often, which is beat trump in a primary. now, all of this is about delegates at this point. this race is all but certain, erin, to go all the way to the end, all the way to california. i talked to a prominent operative in the never trump movement earlier today who said if trump is forced to fight this out at the convention, the party
will never give him the nomination. donald trump is back in new york tonight. that speaks volumes. no election watch party later on tonight, erin. >> across the town from where jim is in milwaukee, the republican candidate staying in wisconsin, confident of a win there, for his watch party, ted cruz. shall you've been talking to the campaign and they are very confident of an all-out win, margin being crucial. how big of a margin are they looking for? >> reporter: that's definitely right, erin. everything the cruz campaign is saying and doing is projecting confidence, including holding a big election watch party tonight. the senator himself predicting an outright win, saying moments ago in a radio interview that he predicts a strong victory here tonight. though word on that margin as you asked about. but cruz has been hyping the significance of this night going forward. really saying that it could have national repercussions going forward. and he interestingly sent a big
message to donald trump tonight. he just set his schedule for the next two days. he will be campaigning through new york, in the bronx, outside of albany. that primary coming up in just two weeks. so senator cruz tonight already looking ahead, erin. >> thank you very much. and now our panel. they're going to be with me for our entire hour as we count down to the polls closing. john, editor in chief of "the daily beast," bernie sanders supporter, and bacari sellers. and margaret hoover and ben ferguson. backing ted cruz. thanks to all of you. maggie, let me start with you. a crucial night. everyone says, why do you all keep saying it's a crucial night? because it is a really crucial night every single time because we don't know who will win. >> the most crucial ever in this political season. this actually is crucial, though, because if donald trump comes from behind and wins as jim was saying, this would ruin any momentum of anyone has in
stopping him realistically toward the march for the nomination. if he doesn't, there's how much does he lose by if he loses, can he keep it within, say, ten points. can he pick up some delegates in congressional districts. if he can't do either of those two things, you'll see the first real tangible effects of what has been a pretty rough two weeks for him. we haven't -- we've seen him have bad weeks before. this last seven days i think has been very, very different. his completely self-inflicted wounds on abortion, with the fact that he spent several days defending his campaign manager over a battery charge involving a female reporter, none of this is where a campaign wants to be. >> that's a good way of putting it. you just heard maggie giving the analysis there bs but donald trump himself today saying one, two, three times, maybe even four, there's going to be a big surprise tonight. he wasn't clear whether the surprise was an outright win, or a loss but not by very much, but
he's not even in wisconsin tonight for a victory party. do you still think he can pull off a win? >> yes, i do. i think he will pull off a win tonight. not being a winner take all primary, he will amass a sizeable amount of -- >> he's going to get it? >> he's going to connue with momentum in wisconsin. hillary clinton is focusing on new york, she's given up on wisconsin. but once he achieves his goals in wisconsin, i don't think he's had a bad week, i think he's had a challenging week, but donald trump doesn't have bad days. >> what do you call challenge -- >> he'll go on to new york, pennsylvania, delaware, connecticut and the trump trail will roll on. >> trump has a lot more challenging weeks moving forward. i don't think he's going to win tonight. i think the last two weeks have shown that donald trump is incredibly vulnerable with the
people that are paying attention. wisconsin's a place where on paper donald trump should have done well. this is where everything he started with played with the conservative voters there. abortion was not just a little blunder. it was a massive blunder. and it made donald trump look like he was a fraud on moral issues. the other thing with donald trump is, that you look at what he said tonight when had esays this is going to be a big and huge night. if you keep saying things like that every week, when things end up not going well, it makes you look like you're completely out of touch with reality. ted cruz, 135 delegates is what he's going to be able to close the gap by after tonight and maybe even more than that in the last two weeks. that is completely the opposite of -- >> counting the delegates in -- >> completely flipped from where we were two weeks ago in the words of donald trump. >> how big is tonight, margaret? >> it is a crucial state. but because there's only one state, nobody can say, i won here and i lost here. it's all wisconsin.
>> either trump sails to the nomination or there's a highly -- there's a much bigger chance of an open convention. then this is an all outbrawl. many pretend the end of the republican party as we know it. this is going to look very dramatic. keep in mind, trump is probably oh-he's set to win new york, right? new york is in two weeks. even if he loses tonight and wins new york, looking forward he'll have to win about 60% of the remaining delegates. right now if he had done better in wisconsin, we would only have had to win 50% of the remaining delegates. let's not kid ourselves, donald trump is still -- your open contested convention is looking more likely. that's not good for the republican party. >> i disagree. i think an open convention is okay. i think it's a great debate and you'll see going into there that -- but what i'm saying is, a lot of the people that are going, they're not afraid of this. i think this is more of the -- people are saying we can't have
an open convention because it will be cast. i don't think it will be cast, it will be controlled. people forget this, conventions are there not to be what they have been over the last -- >> less than two hours away from the polls closing. we have exit polls coming in. one of them is immigration. one in ten people voted on the republican side said immigration is a top concern for them. i will note in michigan where he won only 8% of the primary voters, put this as a top issue. in other states he's done well, the number has been significantly higher. how big of a concern is that when you see from the exit polls immigration not that important? >> that is a real issue for donald trump. it indicates i think the steepness of the climb he faces tonight. immigration has been his core campaign message that's connected with the republican base. he's been able to insult his way to the top of the republican primary polls, as long as he targets people who aren't part of the base's demographic or people on the center right.
the dpgaffe he made this week o abortion had a negative impact. so folks aren't motivated by immigration, coming out to the polls tonight, that is a sign these are not trump voters today, and that can be very bad for him. >> all of you staying with me. "outfront" next, bernie sanders feeling the heat after a revealing new interview. plus, is the gop fight headed all the way to the convention floor? and he's been making this promise for almost a year. >> who's paying for that wall? who's paying? mexico! mexico! mexico! >> and tonight he's laying out exactly mexico will pay for that wall. will it work? ♪
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coverage of our wisconsin primary. polls close in less than two hours. the race too close to call. the clinton camp acknowledging it's trailing in the polls. jeff is in new york where he's been out with the clinton campaign today. bernie sanders expects to do very well next week. sanders is hoping to celebrate tonight. he actually is at an event. he and ted cruz who really do. he's not in wisconsin. what is he doing in wyoming? >> reporter: he's pushing forward to saturday, erin. he's going to do so before a very friendly crowd here at the university of wyoming. you can see this is a crowd that is already stretching around the campus here. this is a stated as well as wisconsin at this point that favors bernie sanders. you have the electorate here, the democratic electorate here in wyoming, is wider than the
general democratic electorate. even the clinton campaign will admit this is friendly territory for him. what he's trying to do, what he's hoping to do is have a good night in the wisconsin primary tonight. and then be here in a state where he can look forward, look towards hopefully, as he would put it, another win. then he can make the case that he has the momentum. keeping in mind, though, he has won the last several states. this has given him a talking point on the trail to say, look, i'm the one who's won these last several states, these last several contests. but there have been sparse delegates in these races. so he's trying to push to the bigger contests in pennsylvania and new york ahead. >> jeff is out front with the clinton campaign today. you know, a week, ten days ago, the polls looked a little better
for her in wisconsin. but she's trying to move the focus to new york now. >> reporter: no doubt about it. it's all about managing those expectations. they did not telegraph that they were going to lose in michigan. but voters may have a different mind of their own. she was in new york campaigning for a reason. if there was ever was a critical state for her, it is the new york primary two weeks from tonight. that's why she was out campaigning today in new york. we expect time with her in brooklyn. she had one other person on her mind. his name is donald trump. >> the fellow who's there new york, i wish he'd get out of one of his towers and actually walk the streets and spend time with the people of this city. because peddling prejudice and paranoia is not the new york way. >> reporter: i can tell you, her campaign is thinking about
bernie sanders tonight. and how he's going to do in wisconsin. but pretty tellingly, she is not holding any events tonight either. the first election night she's not done that. one adviser said, look, this is just like any other night for us. we're moving forward here. but it could be a different night, particularly if she loses wisconsin considerably, that gives him much more license to go on. >> jeff, thank you. panel back with me now. bacari, you are supporting hillary clinton. how are you calling this race tonight? a couple weeks ago, they were much more optimistic. of a clinton win. obviously the polls do not show that, she's not in the state tonight. >> i believe, and jonathan may find this a little surprising, that bernie sanders will have a good night tonight. but at the end of the day, the race is about delegates. that is all that matters. in the democratic party, we have participation trophies. everybody who shows up to the caucus, no matter what -- >> everybody is a winner party? >> everybody takes home --
that's right. that's the democratic party. everybody is a winner. everybody gets delegates. bernie sanders has to win. tonight is the sixth most delegate rich state left. then you go to new york, pennsylvania, california, you go to maryland and some of these other states, bernie sanders literally has to win those states 60/40. it has to be large amounts. i'm not sure he's going to meet that. >> what do you say about the mark tonight? what bar does he set in wisconsin? >> i agree. he will do very well tonight. i just came back this morning from wisconsin. there four or five days in many locations. i think bernie will do well if you lock at the two cds, madison and milwaukee. just ten delegates. over a third of the delegates portioned by cds. if there's big turnout there, i think people are enthusiastic, bernie will do well throughout the state. >> maggie, as you're looking at the ranges, a win is fine, but a
win is not enough. >> the math is the math. what's been striking about the way the primary has gone, on both sides, that nobody -- we all talk about momentum all the time. nobody has gotten any momentum since the first four states. what bernie sanders has done well is in fund-raising. >> that's a piece of the -- >> that is not necessarily going to translate into a bunch of wins. but you will have one person win one state and another person win another state. hillary clinton's wins have not translated necessarily into what follows. bernie sanders wins have not translated into what follows. but he has this strong xhid low-dollar support base, which is different than what you're seeing with hillary clinton. but it is true for both races, the robe they can inch up this way on the republican side is because it's a multi-candidate race, and the democratic side because it is a split. nobody is bouncing off the
springboard. but the reality remains bernie sanders has a harder climb than she does. >> i agree with that, but i would say that he has had a springboard. he's won a number of races. he's got a huge amount of re souss, which is going to allow him to go all the way to the convention. and that's unusual for an insurgent candidate. that's very important. >> one thing we have to be clear about, no one is saying bernie sanders needs to get out of the race. hillary clinton hasn't said it, brooklyn isn't saying. >> the memo was sort of going in that direction, clearly. >> but i mean, that is true. it's highly improbable that bernie sanders is going to be able to overtake hillary clinton in the number of pledged delegates. that is a fact. to quote maggie, the math is the math. >> number one, i think the clinton campaign realized they couldn't push him out of the race. because there was a lot of pushback from bernie supporters saying we have the right to compete. what is really important is
neither of them is going to have enough pledged delegates when the convention comes to clinch the convention. it's not going to happen. >> the math doesn't seem to indicate that. there's ironies in this race all over the place, which is hillary clinton is making the same argument barack obama did in 2008. because trophies actually may make people feel good, but it doesn't matter in politics if you come in second. if hillary clinton is in the poll position, heading into the convention and the math does not work, there is no way bernie sanders can get the nomination. at some point you're running to make a point. >> no, it's not. because nobody has clinched the convention, then there will be a debate among the -- let me finish -- then there will be debate among the super delegates who to support. following the republican convention, when you look at the polls and show bernie sanders is the only one that can compete either against donald trump or -- >> but it's not going to be the
argument -- >> it's a different -- >> that's a good line. >> the irony in this is that they're all saying the same things that they weren't saying four months ago with regard to the super delegates. >> we might lose the white house with hillary clinton as a nominee. >> who's saying that? >> there can be an argument to be made -- >> no. >> there will be an argument to be made that they will make at the convention. as we go forward with these competitions, no one is going to come to the convention having clinched the nomination with pledged delegates. that's just a fact. >> at the beginning of this race, bernie sanders made it clear that he said that super delegates, whomever else, should not overturn the will of the people. you're saying there's going to be a robust debate for super delegates. which way do you want it? >> you now say you want the super delegates to democratically give it to you -- >> that will be a pitch that they will make to the super delegates.
>> all right. no one's going anywhere. next, we're going to, of course, take you back to milwaukee. voters right now, we're in the last 90 minutes, live voting going on in milwaukee. we'll have the brand-new exit polls breaking after this commercial. new details from donald trump how he would make mexico pay for that wall. president barack obama did not want to get forgotten today, so he weighed in on that. >> this is just one more example of something that is not thought through. ♪ ♪ it was always just a hobby. something you did for fun. until the day it became something much more. and that is why you invest. the best returns aren't just measured in dollars.
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voters. people voting right now. what are they saying to you? >> reporter: it's rush hour. this is a key and critical time. people here are serious and focused about voting. but they're also excited, because usually had at this point wisconsin is not so much a player in the presidential primary process. it's a little later down the road. now they feel like, hey, we to have a real say. and not in just one race, but in two races. that's why people at least in this area, south of milwaukee, you can gauge they are pretty much bernie sanders supporters. they're coming out in large numbers. they say 50% of the precincts have already voted here. for a presidential primary, you would have to go back to 1980 to see a turnout like that, erin. >> high turnout, obviously something that would make bernie sanders excited at the face of it. i know you've been talking to union members in wisconsin. they play an important role in the election. sanders, trump, clinton were all battling over them. from people you've been talking
to at the station, who are they supporting? >> reporter: well, the problem with the union voters, of course, you know there's been a contentious battle between the unions and governor scott walker. the unions are not as powerful as they once were. but, experts believe they could be the difference. that swing between whether it will be bernie sanders or hillary clinton victory tonight. you talk to the unions. they are split. it seems like bernie sanders may have a slight edge. they like the way he talks on trade, they like the way he talks about income inequality. they like the fact that he's a fresh and different face. an interesting point for a 74-year-old man. but there's something they like about him that they don't see in hillary, and that is enthusiasm. bernie sanders may finally come away with much of the union vote. it still remains to be seen. milwaukee is the battleground, too close to call. >> thank you very much, martin
savid savidge. that is one group bernie sanders told me he would win in wisconsin. he did say he would definitely win the union vote. in washington, david chalian has been going through the exit polls coming in from wisconsin. i know you have some new headlines you're able to break about who is voting, and what they want. >> that's right, erin. listen, we're talking about the republican side of the contest here. one of the key factors that we've looked at across all of these primaries and caucuses so far is whether the republican voters are looking for an insider and outsider. do they want their next president to have experience in politics? 46% say they want somebody with experience in politics. 48% say they want someone from outside the establishment. if you're in the donald trump camp, and you are looking for three-quarters of the electorate saying they wanted an outsider, that's not the case here. it's pretty evenly split. this is a new question in exit polls, erin. first time we're asking it. if no one wins a majority of the
delegates when they get to the convention floor in cleveland, should they vote the nominee with most votes? 56% say yes. 42% say they should go with the person they think is the best candidate. that means that the delegates on the floor of the convention, these 42% of the folks in the wisconsin primary today, say, hey, they should choose the best candidate. but a majority saying go with the primary caucus winner. we're going to be curious to see how that question plays out in contests ahead as with eget closer to the convention. >> that is not how the rules go. you don't get it if you have more than anyone else, you get it only if you have a majority. thank you very much, david chalian. our communications director for the rnc, sean spicer. sean, that is the crucial point, that david chalian just made. the majority of republican wisconsin voters in exit polls are saying if someone doesn't win the majority, they've got
more than anyone else, the party should go with that person, with the most votes in the primaries, even if they don't have a majority. not have this go to the delegates. what do you say? that's not the rules. >> that's right. if this is up to the delegates. that's what it's always been about, and that's what it will be about again. we follow the same process since the 1800s. which is allow delegates to be elected. those delegates go to the convention, and 1,237 make that decision. whatever they say, once someone gets that majority, they become our nominee. nothing short of that gets you there, though. >> so forget what the voters say. you're going to go with the rules. let me ask you this. tonight we're saying this is a crucial state. as maggie just pointed out, it is. every state we've come to has been the most important because we don't know who the winner is going to be. if donald trump loses wisconsin, do you think we will not know the gop nominee until july if he
doesn't win tonight? >> no, i think we still have about 800 delegates to go. tonight there are 42 at stake in wisconsin, as you guys noted. donald trump needs just under 500 to clinch the 1,237 he needs. it's still possible, absolutely. he's still well within the mathematical possibility of getting to 1,237 bound delegates he needs going into a convention. but as each contest goes by, that likelihood of someone not achieving the 1,237 does get a little bit greater, and we continue to prepare more and more for the potential of that op convention. >> you're preparing for the potential and you're saying you're going with the rules which means if someone doesn't have a majority, that's where it will be decided, by the delegates. so is it possible, sean, in your view, that there may be a nominee not named donald trump or ted cruz? >> i think it would be highly un -- i don't think believe so, no. what you're going to see is that -- governor kasich,
potentially he goes. it will be up to the delegates there to decide who gets 1,237. i don't think it would be unimaginable it's not one of those three individuals. again, i think the odds are going to be with the individual that has more delegates. right now, you know, donald trump leads the pack. but ted cruz is well -- is in the fight. i think those two definitely mathematically are closer to 1,237. governor kasich will make his pitch to the delegates as well. i don't see anyone outside of those three being in contention. >> there's a battle for delegates in your party. there aren't a lot of rules. that seems to be the confusion here. there aren't a lot of rules on what private citizens who become delegates can take in exchange for their votes at the convention. someone could buy them travel, or we were joking, could you do an oprah style, buy them a car. but the point is, there aren't a lot of rules. there aren't a lot of rules here. an expert with espoke to said the legal term for this would be
an s star star star show. hopefully you can spell. your response, sean? >> probably as ken would have noted, i think the s.e.c. would respond to what is reported. if word starts getting around one campaign is engaging -- >> is buying delegates, they also have to understand there's a perception issue. there's the reporting disclosure pete that would have to be part of this in terms of the s.e.c. the campaign's got to make a decision as to what that payment or gift would look like, whether or not that's something they would be comfortable with as well. >> whether it passes the media sniff test. thank you very much, sean spicer. big night obviously on the gop side. next we're counti ining down to polls closing in wisconsin.
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over an hour away when polls close in wisconsin tonight. new details about donald trump's plan to build a wall on the border with mexico of the maybe feeling some of the heat from the polls. today he came out with the most detail we've seen yet. trump said he will force mexico to write a check for up to $10 billion. if not, undocumented mexican immigrants in the u.s. will be barred from sending money back to families in mexico. president obama says the plan will go nowhere. >> the notion that we're going to track every western union, you know, bit of money that's being sent to mexico, you know, good luck with that. this is just one more example of something that is not thought through, and is primarily put forward for political consumption. >> this is the most detail we've gotten so far from donald trump. president obama saying there's no way it will work.
how does donald trump say that it will work? >> well, erin, this is the outline the trump campaign. they'll propose a rule making it illegal for anyone who is not an american citizen to wire money to anyone outside of the u.s. day two, they expect the mexican government to protest. but also assess the potential impact, noting that it could mean, according to the trump campaign, losing about $24 billion a year that is sent to mexico this way. and day three, trump's white house says we'll cancel the plan if you pay for the wall. if mexico does not immediately agree, the administration would put pressure on legal immigration rights, jacket the cost of visas to pay for the wall and look at trade tariffs, and so on, erin. >> the basic -- the core part of this, though, making it illegal for anyone who is not an american citizen to wire money. therefore, you would have to know who is and isn't an american citizen and stop those transfers. would a president trump have the
power to enforce that? >> we talked to a trade law expert at american university who says, maybe the laws used to fight terrorism and enforce embargoes could be stretched to cover such a plan. it would be a creative interpretation of the law, he said, to be sure. but the bigger question is how would it be enforced. this would fall under the treasury department presumably. it is unclear how they would descend on countless little shops selling money orders to people. or for that matter, to stop people from stuffing money into envelopes and mailing it. the trump people think all this can be worked out and that mexico will want to cooperate because the united states is a huge trading partner. but as you know, erin, mexican officials have already cade they will not go along with any version of trump's plan, and trade wars, of course, can cut both ways. >> ben, i know you don't like the idea, but he did come out with the most detail that --
>> we've got two whole pages from donald trump for a plan on a wall. i'll give him kudos, two whole pages. here's your plan. go into a western union. news flash for donald trump. they don't ask you if you're an illegal immigrant when you wire money to anywhere in the world. and they will not do it, because it would affect their bottom line. the idea is so insulting, in my opinion, to the voter, that he thinks because of a memo that he telegraphs that it will stop illegal immigrants from sending money to mexico. are they going to stop them and say, are you an illegal immigrant? >> this is the harder path. >> the hardest path you can take. >> it is the hardest path. they're not doing it -- >> that's what he said today. >> all the money from going legally or illegally. look, trump is saying no money
transferred -- mexico is going to pay directly or they're going to pay indirectly. >> it's a talking point. >> it reminds me of a friend that i had years ago. okay? let me say this for the record. he said, you're going to give me my money or i'm going to break your legs and you're going to give me my money. mexico will pay for the wall or trump will break them down and -- >> this is not your lunch money. >> they'll pay it directly or indirectly. putting a tax on western union transfers is not unreasonable, to mexico. >> do you know how many actual laws -- wait, wait, let me finish. >> do you think all money -- do you think -- >> this is important -- >> do you think all money being sent to mexico is sent to help widows or orphans? >> mexico's economy of sending money to mexico is outpacing
their oil production. >> many of it from illegal activity as well. >> make your point. >> there are massive laws that you would have to pass to be able to -- >> name them. >> not just one. >> name them. >> wiring money to mexico, you have to first look at somebody's status, and then as a small business you're no longer allowed to wire money to mexico. two laws, not one, but two. >> you don't know what you're talking about. >> the imprakability -- >> the trade deficit will narrow by about $10 billion. that's the simple way to do it. >> donald trump -- >> that is not -- >> i'm going to give you credit for -- >> go ahead, ben.
>> donald trump had a really, really bad couple weeks. and he's smart. he went back to the one issue that he fell into that connected with voters. and i'm sure his campaign said, we're losing momentum, what are we going to do. we're going to go back to the wall again and we're going to give a two-page memo, and somehow that's going to help us in the campaign. when you have no idea how the laws would even affect it. this is the most impossible -- >> okay, hold on one moment. >> trump's bad week is another candidate's best week. that's what you need to understand. >> now, hold on. let's just -- again, taking a step back, if you needed -- >> he's potentially going to win this primary tonight. after a bad two weeks. >> as some would say, this is a bad week, you have to look no further than last week when he put his wife out on the campaign trail. here's what melania had to say last night. >> no matter who you are, a man, or a woman, he treats everyone
equal. he's a fighter. and if you elect him to be your president, he will fight for you and for our country. >> how much will that help him? >> it definitely softens him. melania is a classy woman. everybody likes her. it's nice to see her out there. but nobody votes for the first lady. you're voting for the man. that's 75% unfavorable rating with women. mitt romney only won 44% of the female votes. republicans do badly with women. at least mitt romney did better. that is too much work for one woman to turn around. >> even with a last name trump. >> yeah. >> last-minute voting under way, we're about an hour away. ahead we're going to check back. all of the key headlines what you're looking for in the next hour. those new glasses?
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it's a big surprise. >> i think you're going to see ted cruz have a big win tonight, probably ten points or more. this is going to be a huge shock to donald trump's campaign and continue on for a long time. the momentum behind donald trump and the lack of plans and i think the abortion question hurt him more than anything else this week, it was not awe theuthenta. he changed four times and it hurt him. >> i think to me this is either a reset of the race or this is just a stumbling block for donald trump, and what you're going to see is that if cruz wins, this is essentially the establishment codifying as on anti-trump movement. they don't like ted cruz. let's be clear. ted cruz is not going to do incredibly well against hillary clinton in november. what the establishment has done is picked their poison and decided he's the only guy that can keep the republican party at least in tact. through the convention. >> tonight? >> i expect donald trump to be successful tonight. this is not a winner-take-all state. so if he does not outright win, he will pick up a sizable number of delegates to keep the trump train going.
i really believe there's a conspiracy against him. i've never seen anything like this in all my years where they just conspire. i've never seen one candidate says don't vote for me, vote for him to keep him from winning. reminds me of a version of a spades game called cut throat. he's going to do all right. he's going to do all right and do all right going forward and will be the nominee. >> you do raise the point, of course, that it isn't a winner-take-all state. that does give him the possibility of getting delegates. on the democratic side, obviously a very big night, bakari, for hillary clinton what needs to happen tonight? >> i think hillary clinton will have a sizable amount of delegates as well. i think that bernie sanders is going to squeak out a victory or have a victory tonight, but the race will go on. this race in the democratic side as maggie was saying earlier is not as much about momentum as it is demographics moving forward. those bode very well for hillary clint clinton. i think one thing john than and myself and bernie sanders and hillary clinton supporters are beginning to tell, if we spr not realized already, by the discussions my friends had on the other side of the table,
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