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a critical turning point in the race for president. the republican party moves closer to a historic contested convention. ted cruz crushing front-runner donald trump in the wisconsin primary. >> and bernie sanders gaining momentum. another big win against hillary clinton. is the democratic front-runner in danger of losing the
nomination? good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm miguel marquez. >> i'm christine romans. it's 4:00 a.m. in the east. our breaking news this morning, the crucial primary wins for ted cruz and bernie sanders. victories in wisconsin that keep the two candidates viable and could shake up the race for president -- fair to say it is shaking up the race for president. on the republican side with 99% of the vote counted, cruz soars 13 points past donald trump nabbing 48% of the vote, john kasich third. on the democratic side, bernie sanders wallops hillary clinton taking 56% of the vote to clinton's 43%. cruz and sanders celebrate their wins at raucous rallies saying they do have a path to the white house. >> as a result of the people of wisconsin defying the media. defying the pundits, i'm more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1237 delegates needed to win.
either before cleveland or at the convention in cleveland, together we will win a majority of the delegates and together we will beat hillary clinton in november. >> with our victory tonight in wisconsin, we have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses and primaries. [ cheers ] and we have won almost all of them with overwhelming landslide numbers. >> now, the wisconsin results move ted cruz closer to that magic number of delegates needed to win, 1237, and they tip the republican party much closer to a contested convention in cleveland. to help us sort this out on what happened on the republican side,
let's bring in the panel. cnn political analyst, josh rogan, cnn politics reporter, senior reporter for media and politics, dillon buyers, and the host of "reliable sources." >> we call this the "a" team. >> this is the "a" team. everybody up all night or up early for us. josh, you would have expected donald trump to at least pull out some of those districts in the north and western part of the state. he didn't. how resounding is this loss for him? >> according to best estimates he will get three delegates, ted cruz will get about 33. that totally changes the math. you have hundreds of people, all of the republican world trying to figure out is donald trump on the path towards 1237. if you were calculating it yesterday, he probably was, and wisconsin was counted as part of
that. now all the calculations are being redone. now if you had to game it out, you would have to say he's probably short of that magic number. the big question is how short if he's only 15, 20 delegates short he could probably fudge that. a lot of things could be done. 80, 100 delegates, all of a sudden you have a contested convention and a problem for donald trump. everybody is redoing their maps. everybody is redoing their delegate counts. all of a sudden that idea of a contested convention as ted cruz mentioned is much, much more of a problemibility than it was 20 hours ago. >> i want to read the statement donald trump released last night. it's long, but it is just full of trumpism. >> donald j. trump withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again. ted cruz had the governor of wisconsin, many conservative
talk radio show hosts and the entire party apparatus behind him. not only was he propelled by the anti-trump super pacs spending of count also millions of dollars and false advertising. ted cruz is worse than a puppet, is he a trojan horse being used by the party bosses ace tempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump. >> this statement on one hand is riling up his base. keep in mind the group of people he's continually been the strongest with are the people most angry with the way the gop establishment is going, with the people who believe that the politicians in washington are all corrupt and work ing against the interests of the actual grassroots movement. so he's reaching out to those people. it's amazing how over night ted cruz has suddenly become the candidate of the establishment and donald trump is trying to
capitalize on that and get his supporters fired up again. on the other hand this is also a warning shot a reminder to the rnc, other candidates, to his future opponents in a potential general election, don't mess with me. if there's a way to go there, donald trump will go there. this statement was chock full of examples of that. >> calling it illegal is a shot across the bow there. i want to go to brian. he was hammered by the conservative talk show hosts in wisconsin. he had a bad week nationally with abortion. is he on a wobble or could he regain? >> you mentioned some of those radio shows, it seems that had an effect. they were supporting ted cruz in many cases. when we hear that statement, it is amazing, but also in some ways wrong to say that cruz is worse than a puppet, he's a trojan horse. there's no evidence of that.
there's no evidence that he is the establishment favorite. it is extraordinary cruz being embraced in that way. the idea that donald trump would have this scorched earth strategy is not surprising but it's wrong. trump did not even speak last night. he did not have an event, not a rally, not to use the free cable news air time. neither did hillary clinton. the two front-runner candidates decided to skip last night and focus on new york. >> we want to highlight he didn't win. he calls other peoplers losers, first place is first place. >> what does he do when he doesn't win, he suggests there's illegalities and funny business going on. that is worrisome when you think about the summer. it makes me wonder how this party would be united in the summer and fall. >> we looked at how wisconsin is different, maybe more like nebraska and iowa and different than the states in the northeast.
but cruz last night spoke about his delegate momentum. let's listen to what ted cruz sai said. >> four very different states. utah, colorado, north dakota, wisconsin. four victories. in the last two weeks. and in the coming days when colorado and wyoming finish voting, we are likely to have gained over 100 delegates on donald trump. as a result of the people of wisconsin defying the media, defying the pundits, i'm more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1237 delegates needed to win the republican nomination. >> when you dissect the exit polls, of those who decided in the last few days, they broke for ted cruz. of those who said electability is the top quality, they broke for ted cruz. of those who share my values, they broke ted cruz. does this translate going
forward or is this wisconsin specific? >> well, i think ted cruz is a very effective salesman when it comes to spinning the momentum story, but he has a lot to work with. like you said, those voters broke for him late. it's also true he made serious inroads with some of the demographic groups that trump has often done well with. we hear a lot from the trump campaign saying wisconsin was not donald trump's state. sure it was. what happened was donald trump had a bad week. you saw the people who voted late gravitating towards cruz. you saw the radio hosts who care about conservative values rallying around cruz. then more generally you have the republican establishment begrudgingly gravitating towards cruz. what cruz is trying to do here is say this bad week nfor donal
trump represents a turning of the tide for him and this will propel him to be on more even footing for trump when we get to to a brokered convention. some of that is cruz spin but some of that may wind up being the case. >> it's going to be an interesting convention. >> every day is interesting. everyone, stick with us. thanks for that great analysis. hillary clinton suffering a crushing defeat. bernie sanders cleaning up in the wisconsin primary. can his momentum be stopped? we'll break it down with this "a" team after the break. "what ya doing?"
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surpasses his most optimistic polling numbers. he's won seven of the last democratic contests. i want to bring back our panel to break down the democratic side of this race. it is so interesting, josh, his team is saying they have the momentum and that that momentum can help sway these superdelegates who seem to be in the corner of hillary clinton. let's listen to what bermers had to say about that last night. >> i think a lot of these superdelegates will look around them and be saying which candidate has the momentum? which candidate is bringing out huge numbers of people and creating huge -- [ cheers ] -- which candidate can bring out large numbers of people. >> can he bring out large
numbers of people, josh? can he take the momentum into new york? >> yeah, two things. credit where credit is due to the sanders campaign for building a string of wins here. the momentum is about to shift back to the hillary clinton camp. she's way up in new york, then we go to pennsylvania where she's up by 22 points according to a recent poll. so the pendulum is about to swing in the other direction. so bernie sanders can make this momentum argument for another two weeks. the second point is these superdelegates and the political professionals know this, hundreds have hundreds of delegates have been secured by the clinton camp for years many who owe their political fortunes to the clinton machine. the clintons have been setting up these superdelegates for about a decade. seven, eight wins by bernie
sanders will to the change their mind. >> no concession speech from hillary clinton. she did tweet congrats to bernie sanders winning wisconsin. to all the votes and volunteers who poured your hearts into this campaign, forward. it's all about new york. cnn has the next debate on the 14th ahead of the 19th primary. >> that's right. >> and this is going to get tough. >> what happens between now and that debate is critical. last night it was said the clinton campaign will try to disqualify and defeat berme eni sanders in the next few days and weeks. there's been a variety of strategies about how the clinton campaign will treat the bernie sanders campaign, perhaps getting much tougher. >> she has started that already, saying it's empty ideas. there's nothing to back it up. >> the new york daily news recently, a transcript was
published of bernie sanders speaking with the daily news. there were times when he came up short when asked about details. >> doesn't seem to know how he would do that or what it would mean. >> so many supporters are thrilled to hear him say it. when he doesn't have the detailed follow-ups, i wonder if that will disappoint some fans. >> let's look at the exit polls, it's interesting to dissect the anatomy of this win for bernie sanders. of those voters who said the top quality was to be honest and trustworthy for their candidate, 82%, 83% for bernie sanders. 16% for hillary clinton who is more inspiring about the country's future? bernie sanders, breaks for bernie sanders there. and young people, no surprise there. he won independents by a pretty wide margin there, too. it's interesting because hillary clinton, when asked the top quality for their candidate was the right experience, they think hillary clinton is experienced.
what do you make of what the exit polls are telling us about the division here between clinton and sanders. >> it's a lot of what we've been seeing. once again she wins on electability. she wins on being ready for the jo job day one, but he's more exciting to people, and bringing out young people. we've been repeating it because it's important, but the demographics in wisconsin favored bernie sanders. hillary clinton outperformed her last go-around in wisconsin tonight. it's not a great state for her. it's predominantly white. she does much better among minorities than bernie sanders. we've seen over and over now in this campaign that hillary clinton wins a few and pivots to the general election. we write how the bernie sanders campaign has been put to bed, then he comes back and wins these states, and she has to retreat and go on offensive again bernie sanders. that's not what she wants to be
doing right now. she doesn't want to be debating bernie sanders. she wants to be focused on the republicans. even if she is probably going to come out on top and she will probably win new york and prevail, it's an irritant. it's a thorn in her side that she has to keep coming back to this argument. >> even the fact that there's a debate next week is something she did not want. months ago she did not want to be debating bernie sanders in april. >> that's right. they played games over this debate for weeks going back and forth over days, doing this dance that they just wasted time on in terms of trying to win voters. >> i think it's a testament to bernie sanders and his supportesupporte erer supporters. what this election is showing us is there is a base much more closer to bernie sanders point of view than clinton's point of view. >> we know you will split. thanks for being here this morning. the rest of you stay tuned, the economy is issue number one for
voters in wisconsin. 37% of democratic voters put the economy and jobs at the top of their list followed by government spending, terrorism and immigration. of those voters who said economy and jobs 54% voted for senator sanders. clinton getting 46%. on the republican side, voters are fearful about the future of the u.s. economy. look at this, 94% of wisconsin republicans said they are worried about the u.s. economy. 6% not worried. of that 94%, cruz -- cruz won the biggest share of the votes. this was one of the many areas that donald trump had been winning in other primary states, but cruz took over in wisconsin. another area where that happened, trade. more than half of all republican voters said trade with other countries takes away u.s. jobs. donald trump a slight edge here over cruz, 43% to 42%. this is a big change. trump is usually the candidate who dominates that trade kills
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as expected. bozeman told garland he will not get a confirmation hearing. this morning the supreme court nominee meets with several democratic senators. new developments in three southern states that are moving forward with a controversial religious freedom laws that lgbt advocates call discrimination. in mississippi, the governor there signed a bill that allows people with religious objections to deny services to gay couples. in tennessee, therapists and marriage counselors could turn away gay parents without risk of legal consequences. paypal is canceling plans to open a new global operations center in charlotte because of the new transgender bathroom law. a move that will cost north carolina 400 jobs. ted cruz and bernie sanders win big in the wisconsin primary election. has the race for president reached a turning point? we're breaking it all down coming up next.
the wisconsin primary election shaking up the race for president. ted cruz increasing the odds of a contested republican convention. while bernie sanders adds to his winning streak over hillary clinton. welcome back. very big morning for you all. this is "early start." i'm christine romans. i'm miguel marquez. our breaking news, crucial primary wins for ted cruz and bernie sanders. big victories in wisconsin that keep the two candidates viable and are shaking up the race for president. on the republican side with 99% of the vote counted, cruz soars 13 points past front-runner donald trump nabbing 48% of the vote. john kasich a distant third. on the democratic side, bernie sanders wallops hillary clinton statewide taking 56% of the vote to clinton's 43%. cruz and sanders celebrate wins at raucous victory rallies
claiming that even though they are underdogs they do have plans and a path to the white house. >> as a result of the people of wisconsin defying the media. defying the pundits, i'm more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1,237 delegates needed to win. either before cleveland or at the convention in cleveland, together we will win a majority of the delegates and together we will beat hillary clinton in november. >> with our victory tonight in wisconsin, we have now won seven out of eight of the last caucuses and primaries. [ cheers ]
and we have won almost all of them with overwhelming landslide numbers. >> the wisconsin results move ted cruz closer to that magic number of delegates needed to win, 1237, and they tip the republican party much closer to a contested convention in cleveland. to help us sort this out on what happened on the republican side, let's bring in the panel. cnn political analyst, josh rogan, columnist for bloomberg view. dialen buyers and brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." josh, it's not so much ted cruz getting closer to 1237, it's ted cruz denying donald trump 1237. >> that's right. he made progress last night in denying him. let's remember it's also john kasich's strategy to deny donald trump 1237. if you were thinking about it logically, you would say that the best case scenario would be for ted cruz and kasich to work
together, peel the delegates off trump and not attack each other in those states. that's not what's happening. new york, the next big state that comes up is set up in a way, if you get 50% or more of any district, you get all the delegates for that district. the game is to deny trump 50% in those districts, and there's an incentive to come in second in new york. there's a lot of reasons that kasich and cruz will continue to attack each other for the next two weeks. after the results yesterday in wisconsin, it's clear donald trump's path to 1237 is more difficult. if he comes in just under the number, he may be able to make that up at the convention with all sorts of weird things you can do to peel delegates off here and there. if he's 150 behind, that's another ball game. that's what the cruz and kasich campaigns are fighting for.
>> so no speech by trump but a tweet on fire. >> donald j. trump withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again. lying ted cruz had the governor of wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts and the entire party apparatus behind him. not only was he propelled by the anti-trump super pacs spending countless millions of dollars and false advertising. he was coordinating with his own super pac, which is illegal, he says, who totally control him. ted cruz is worse than a puppet, he's a trojan horse being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump. has trump hit his ceiling here? what does he have to do in new york? >> well, i wonder when you ask that question, he has hit his ceiling in terms of national support, he has hit his ceiling in terms of how crazy and incendiary the comments he'll
make is. you saw in that tweet vintage trump. losing and shifting the narrative with a radical insinuation that ted cruz is involved in legal behavior with who evidence. the narrative now seems to be shifting. i know that's dangerous to say the narrative around donald trump is shifting because he's been denying political gravity so much before, but he's having a moment where the limits of his support are becoming very clear. you look at his negatives among every single minority group, luke at his negatives among women. even among republican women he's just above 50% in terms of support. there's a shifting narrative going on right now. that's what ted cruz is riding. he's not riding so much his own
momentum, he's riding the momentum of that never trump movement. that's how he was able to declare victory tonight and in key demographics that donald trump is familiar with winning in wisconsin. >> a lot of people were calling this the worst week of trump's campaign the last week. when you look at some exit polls, one in particular about feelings if trump is elected president, after last week, excited 23%. optimistic 18%. concerned 20%, scared, 38%. 58% overall of primary voters saying they would be concerned or scared if elected. the never trump movement is taking credit for these results. pacs like the club for growth, et cetera. i was wearing into buying the worst week rhetoric.
it felt too simple and too dramatic to be true. certainly trump has defied those projections before. normally if you know you're going to lose, would have a carefully written statement. what he put out last night read like something typed quickly, angrily. i have to wonder if that will attract new supporters or not. it would seem to me it would encourage supporters who are already with him. >> new york is a different state as well. he will do well in new york presumably. 27 different districts. the way they apportion the votes, he has 27 different fights. he has to win those 27 different districts what is this fight going to look like? will he pull his punches and appeal to a more moderate republican party? >> i will go out on a limb and say no to that. i will guess no. cruz's message was key. he said this is a turning point.
he was prepared. he thought about that message far in advance of last night. he was ready to say that last night and he did it on a big stage. let's keep in mind who was supposed to win in wisconsin, the governor, scott walker. we would have thought he would have cleaned up in his homestate. it's a measure of how dramatically and radically this race has changed. walker not even on the ballot. >> let's talk about electabil y electability. as we get closer and after last week, maybe the worst week of the campaign for donald trump, electability. the top candidate quality, 68%, trump 19%. trump -- 20%, i guess. these numbers keep changing as we get more information. this is desissive there, josh. >> i think two things are going on. one is that republicans all over the country are sort of discussing and coming to the term terms if trump were the nominee
at top of the ticket that could have implications for all republicans, republicans facing tough senate races in purple states. this is something doubling under the surface. now a lot of people look at this and they look at the polls. the polls, despite what trump says, show trump does not match up best against hillary clinton. so, when you look at those two things, a lot of gop voters, especially people who will be delegates, are saying running trump is not a good idea for the party. the other thing going on here, we saw a slight shift in the cruz rhetoric. he has been saying for weeks that his strategy was to get to 1237 before the convention. last night he says before or after the convention, or at the convention. that's a change. it's a change that john kasich seized upon in his remarks last night. so we're seeing a socialization of the idea that there is going to be a contested convention. the trump people can say there will be protests, this and that.
there's a growing realization that's where we're going. that might be the best path for the republicans going forward. >> josh rogin, dylan, brian, stick there. we will talk about the democrats and bernie sanders big win in wisconsin. does he have a path to the white house? "ow..." "are you okay?" "yeah, i just got charged for my credit monitoring. that's how i know it"s working." "ah. you know you can go on creditkarma.com and check it out there. it's completely free." "really?" "yeah" "oh, that didn't hurt at all." "yeah, completely painless." "credit karma. give yourself some credit."
eight democratic contests. let's bring back our expert "a" class panel to break donwn the democratic side of the race. dy dy dylan, what does mr. sanders need do in new york. >> he needs to go up against a woman who was senator there. the numbers are in her favor, but i'm more concerned about nationally. the narrative coming out of the sanders campaign is they have all of this momentum and somehow the democrats, not just republicans, but that the democrats will go to a brokered convention. john king broke the delegate math down for the sanders campaign manager last night. look, it remains a very long shot you can tell this story about momentum. you can tell about all the support you galvanized against the progressive base, all of that is true, but this is a game
of math. i would say sanders has done two important things. one, he's demonstrated there is a broad base of support for his democratic socialist agenda. it's one that hillary clinton needs to take seriously, one that the party needs to take seriously. the key thing he's done is shown the limitations of hillary clinton's own support and raised the red flags, the enthusiasm gap we've been talking about when it comes to hillary clinton for so long. he's shown that endures. he should not be winning 7 out of 8 contests this late in the game going up against a candidate like hillary clinton. that's something she needs to address. >> when you look at the exit polls, josh rogin, honest and trustwort trustworthy, bernie sanders. that broke for bernie sanders. who is more inspiring about the country's future? bernie sanders. young people, no surprise he's been getting those consistently. josh, what does hillary clinton
need to do going forward? at first she ignored him. then shrugged him off and explained how she can get things done. she understands there's an inspiration quality about him but he's not electable. does she have to go after him hard now? >> yeah, the exit polls tell us more about the weaknesses of the hillary clinton campaign than the strengths of the bernie sanders campaign. she's still not reaching young voters, independent voters, not reaching white voters. these are problems that will endure for hillary clinton as she heads into the general. i think what hillary clinton's strategy will be going forward is to continue to try to pivot to the general election while working on shoring up her base. she can't be in this position where she is going back and forth getting into these fights with bernie sanders. that's why she was avoiding the debate and wants to go into her strongest states, new york, pennsylvania with as little conflict as possible. that's getting more and more difficult for her. this is not going the way she
wants. it's not to her advantage to take on bernie at this point, especially if she doesn't have to. she's got to do that but under the radar and publicly present herself as a general election candidate. >> brian, the debate april 14th on cnn. the home boy versus the adopted daughter. after this loss in wisconsin, new york such an important firewall for her what will that debate be like. >> the debate is more timely because of this result last night and knowing she has many reasons she should be favored to win in new york. even as we talk about the vulnerabilities about clinton, we have to remember she is still the most likely one to be president after all of this. i think it was said well last night, when sanders falls back, he falls back while seemingly to
make progress. he said even as he gets at 57%, he needs to do that in more diverse, affluent states. that's the cold, hard reality about that. even though the sanders supporters like to call this -- >> did you just call a 74-year-old socialist a home boy? >> i think his supporters would like that. >> i want to listen to something that bernie sanders said about the superdelegates. the narrative has been she worked long and hard to secure the superdelegates and this will be her advantage. listen to what bernie sanders said about that. >> i think a lot of these superdelegates will be looking around them and saying which candidate has the momentum. which candidate is bringing out huge numbers of people and creating huge -- [ cheers ]
-- which candidate can bring out large numbers of people. >> is he right? >> no, he's not right. don't you think the gop would love to have a few hundred superdelegates about now? listen, this is the open secret about these primaries. it's not really about just the voters. the party has a big influence here. it was set up just for this scenario. when you have somebody like bernie sanders, an insurgent candidate, a ton of ground support, but not a life long democrat, hasn't spent the last 25 years rounding up support inside the party like hillary clinton has, this is a way for the party to make sure the establishment gets its way. it's likely to succeed. bernie sanders making his pitch, but you talk to the superdelegates, we all do, it's not playing out. >> let's remember, in some ways it is true that sanders has in some ways already won. i know it's a cliche, people hate to hear it, but by forcing
clinton change her tone on a variety of issues, this race is very different than a year ago. >> some would say she hasn't changed her tone enough or she would be winning the young people and independents. three states moving forward with religious freedom laws. the critics say it legalizes discrimination. one state in particular where gays can be denied services.
this morning supreme court nominee merrick garland returns to capitol hill for more meetings with lawmakers. his first sit-down with john bozeman of arkansas went exactly as expected yesterday. as expected. bozeman told garland he will not get a confirmation hearing. this morning the supreme court nominee meets with several democratic senators. new developments in three southern states that are moving forward with a controversial religious freedom laws that lgbt advocates call discrimination. in mississippi, the governor there signed a bill that allows
people with religious objections to deny services to gay couples. in tennessee lawmakers are moving ahead on a bill that would allow therapists and marriage counselors to turn away gay parents without risk of legal consequences. paypal is canceling plans to open a new global operations center in charlotte because of the new transgender bathroom law. a move that will cost north carolina 400 jobs. time for an "early start" on your money. a rebound in crude oil prices. stock markets in europe are higher. bernie sanders frequently claims that america's unemployment is higher than 5%, but it's more math than politics here. the jobless rate is more like 6%. that's what a report from bank of america and merrill lynch said. it says 10 million people want a
job but can't find one, that's 2 million more than the official number from the government. the increase would boost the unemployment rate. we've seen signs of this recently in the official data. the labor force participation rate has been rising since september. as hiring picks up, more people are encouraged to look for jobs again. >> typical situation, people looking for jobs again. "early start" continues right now. a critical point in the race for president. the republican party moves closer to a historic contested convention. ted cruz crushing front-runner donald trump in the wisconsin primary. >> and bernie sanders gaining momentum. another big win for him against hillary clinton. is the democratic front-runner in danger of losing the nomination? good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm miguel marquez.
our breaking news this morning, the crucial primary wins for ted cruz and bernie sanders. victories in wisconsin that keep the two candidates viable and that are shaking up the race for president. on the republican side, with 99% of the vote counted, cruz soars 13 points past donald trump nabbing 48% of the vote, john kasich a distant third. on the democratic side, bernie sanders wallops hillary clinton taking 56% of the vote to clinton's 43%. cruz and sanders celebrate their wins at raucous victory rallies claiming that even though they're underdogs they do have a path to the white house. >> as a result of the people of wisconsin defying the media, defying the pundits, i'm more and more convinced that our campaign is going to earn the 1,237 delegates needed to win. either before cleveland or at