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stick around for that. i will be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room for our international viewers, amanpour is coming up next. for our viewers in north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. wolf blitzer, thank you so much, my friend. great to be with all of you on this wednesday. i'm brooke baldwin. politics, an already unprecedented presidential election has taken one huge step toward an event the nation has not seen in generations. a contested convention. the likelihood of that just rose after the frontrunner suffered a double-digit defeat in the wisconsin primary. i'm talking about both parties here. first up democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton lost to bernie sanders by 14 points. she's still, though, has a strong lead toward the party nomination, but sanders' wisconsin win, his six in the a
row, mind you, is shaking the clinton's camp confidence. meantime opponents of republican frontrunner donald trump may now be at their most confident after his crushing defeat as well. senator ted cruz beat trump 48% to 35%. the cruz victory now forces trump to rack up even bigger wins looking ahead if he is trying to reach that magic number before the convention in july in cleveland. and take a look at this. trump would have to win 60% of the delegates in the re make primaries and caucuseses to get to that 1237 delegate number. all makes the stakes for the primary in two weeks here in the state of new york even higher and that is where ted cruz is today specifically at an event at the -- in the bronx. guys, are these live pictures as we're watching everyone ready to roll? these are live pictures. we're watching and waiting and we'll take the top of it as soon as we senator cruz there to hear
his remarks as the primary may be two weeks away, but everyone is stumping for votes starting today. let me bring in my panel as we -- i have one eye on that event, and john nichols standing by national correspondent for the nation, republican strategist lisa booth here in new york. here he is. let's go to ted cruz. >> thrilled to be here at a small business. we just had a tremendous meeting with pastors here in the bronx, with hispanic pastors, with african-american pastors. and i'm so encouraged after what was a terrific victory yesterday in wisconsin. it was a turning point, i believe, in this entire election. it culminated four states in a row in the last two weeks where we have beaten donald trump over and over and over again. you know just three weeks ago in wisconsin, we were behind by ten points. the media was saying we couldn't win wisconsin. wisconsin was a perfect state, we were told, for donald trump to win. and if you look at the election results last night, we won
across the state, we won women, we young men, we won young people, we won every income group. what we saw, is we saw republicans come together and uni unite, stand united. that's what this election is all about, it's about unity. if we come together, we're going to win. if we remain divided we will not. i could not be more encouraged and for the first question i'll turn to the birthday girl. >> thank you. >> happy birthday. >> thank you. donald trumps last night reacting to the result in wisconsin and called you a trojan horse being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination. what's your response? >> well, you know, donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. if he wants to engage in insults he's welcome to do so. he gets very angry when the voters reject him. he has now lost in four states in a row. he lost a landslide election in
utah, he lost all six delegates that were elected in colorado, he lost badly in north dakota and yesterday in wisconsin, a state he bragged the day before, the day before yesterday, donald trump promised a, quote, big victory in wisconsin, and not only did he not get a big victory but the men and women of wisconsin resoundingly rejected his campaign and the reason is sim. -- -- simple -- donald has no solutions to the problems we're facing. he likes to yell and scream and insult and curse and his statement last night was consistent with that. but he has no real solutions to bringing jobs back to america. my top priority as president will be bringing jobs back to america, expanding economic opportunity, raising wages for people who are struggling, people in small businesses. today for the first time since they've been keeping track of the data, more small businesses go out of business than are
formed. two-thirds of all new jobs come from small businesses. when my dad came from cuba in 1957, he was just 18 years old. he was penniless. had $100 in his underwear and got a job not too different from this restaurant here. washing dishes making 50 cents an hour. why did he wash dishes? he couldn't speak english. you didn't have to speak english to take a dish, put it under hot water and scrub it. it's people like my dad, the teenage immigrants, people who are struggling who have been hurt so badly in the obama/clinton economy. those are the people i'm fighting for. the reason donald lost so resoundingly in wisconsin is he has no solutions, no answers, for bringing jobs back for raising wages and we are running a campaign based on a positive, optimistic, forward-looking conservative agenda to bring jobs and opportunity back to america. >> senator -- [ talking at the same time ] >> senator -- >>. [ speaking foreign language ]
>> look, our community, the hispanic community, is a -- -- [ speaking in foreign language brx [ -- language ] >> i learned spanish the same time i learned english when i was a little kid. [ speaking foreign language ] but to be honest what i spoke at home was spanglish. as you know in our community that's true with about everyone and certainly their kids. the question -- >> i heard the question. i understood the question. i will say listen, in the hispanic community, we have shared values in our community. the values that resonate in our you community are faith, family, patriotism, and a lot of people
don't know the rate of military enlistment among hispanics is higher than any demographic in this country. i think the most powerful value in the hispanic community is the american dream. we're a community who we're filled with optimism. when my dad came to america from cuba when he couldn't speak english and was washing dishes he was filled with hopes and dreams for the future for his kids, grandkids. and my messages to hispanic community is the very same as my message to every community, which is we can get back to that economic opportunity that americas has enjoyed for centuries. we can get back to the nation that we've been where anybody can start with nothing and achieve anything. you know, the hispanic community has been hurt and has been hurt horribly by the failed obama economy. now i recognize many in the press they try to convey any republican as somehow mean and nasty and they try to portray
any democrat as a champion of the hispanic community. seems to me people ought to ask then why is it under barack obama the rich have gotten richer. the top 1% in this country earn a greater share of our income than any year since 1928. those with money and power, have gotten fat and happy under the obama administration. i'll tell you something i say often, which is an unusual thing to hear a republican say, i agree with bernie sanders. in wisconsin, just the other day, i visited with a young lady who was a bernie sanders supporter and told her i agree with bernie when bernie says the fix is in, that washington is corrupt, career politiiticians in bed with the lobby and special interests and help the rich and powerful, i agree with that. but the question i asked her, as i said listen where i disagree with bernie is on a solution. if the problem is that washington is corrupt, government is corrupt, why would you want more government? why would you want to expand
government's power? what i want to do is take the power out of washington and back to the people. my message to the hispanic community, we can have greater opportunity. we can have more jobs, higher wages by taking the burdens of government off of small businesses. i'll give you one other message i think is important in the hispanic community. school choice. the civil rights issue of the 21st century. sadly the modern democratic party, because they are in hock to the union bosses and teachers unions, they fight against schools choice at every turn and yet in the hispanic community and african-american community, there are generations of kids that are trapped. education is the gateway to the american dream and i believe that every child in america has a right to have access to a quality education, has a right to learn and to develop and education is how you achieve the american dream. as president i will be the first
president we have ever had who fights for school choice, for every child regardless of race, ethnicity or wealth or zip code, that every child has a right to a quality education [ speaking at the same time ] >> polling shows you are dead last in new york. two and a half months ago you railed against new york values how do you expect to do well in this state or win if that's your goal? >> the interesting thing about polling is it can change and it can change quickly. three weeks ago in wisconsin we were ten points down. we just won a landslide victory winning by 13 points, sweeping the state. here in the state of new york, you know, when i talked about new york values it was interesting a minute ago i was meeting with a significant number of his panic pastors, african-american pastors here in the bronx and one of those pastors senator ruben diaz, who is a democratic state senator who hosted the gathering, said, i know what you mean by new york values. we fight them every day in our community.
we fight them. they're the values that led, for example, mayor bill de blasio, liberal democrat, getting elected mayor, one of the first thing he did was try to shut down charter schools in harlem because he is captive to the union bosses who control him so one of his first actions was to try to throw young african-american and hispanic kids out of the schools that were giving them hope and giving them a lifeline. those are the values, it's the values of the liberal democratic politicians that have been hammering the people of new york for a long time. they have been suffering. >> why call them new york values? you're in new york exchange. >> let's be clear the people of new york know what those values are, the vulgs of liberal democratic politicians like andrew cuomo, like anthony weiner, like eliot spitzer, like charlie wrangle, all of whom donald trump has supported,
given tens of thousands of dollars throughout the years. if you want to know what liberal democratic values are, follow donald trump's checkbook. he has been funding these policies. look for people in western new york, who would like to have jobs, western new york you've got the mar sail has shale, tremendous resources, in pennsylvania we're seeing jobs we're seeing economic opportunity because pennsylvania they're developing those resources. liberal democratic politicians won't allow new yorkers to develop those resources. apparently they don't think new yorkers want jobs. and donald trump has been funding those liberal democratic politicians. let me give you one more example of the values of the liberal democrats that have been so hurting new york. the actions of people like mayor bill de blasio who every time there is a confrontation, between criminals and police officers, the liberal democrats side with the criminals and looters and rioters rather than the police officers.
i'll tell you the moment when the brave men and women in blue of the nypd stood up and turned their backs on bill de blasio i cheered for those cops and people across america did. that spoke to the entire country that when you have politicians that will not stand with police officers and firefighters and first responders, and for that matter, soldiers and sailors and airmen and marines, that's an example of how these liberal politicians have forgotten who we are. i'll tell you as president, i will always stand with the police officers and firefighters and first responders and everyone who risks their lives to keep us safe and those values are american values. they are the values of the people of new york who are frustrated with liberal democratic politicians who keep hammering the people of this great state. >> thanks, guys. >> all right. senator ted cruz in the bronx at this hour answering just a couple reporter questions. let me cut through that. the most significant out of the gate from our correspondent who
is asking him and we heard senator cruz for the first time publicly, you know, responding to donald trump's response of the statement last night from his loss, essentially accusing the cruz campaign of being not just a puppet but a trojan horse, stealing the nomination, planting the seeds of something we could start hearing from the trump team and so essentially ted cruz said trump is yelling and insulting and trying to curse his way but he really offers no specific solutions. with that let me bring in my package the nation's john nicols republican strategist lisa booth and cnn political commentator van jones. john, let me just begin with you. what did you make of ted cruz's response to trump? >> well, you know, look in that overall exchange there which is sort of as classic new york moment taking him from wisconsin to the much more intense media environment you saw cruz do some things very well, but when he gets to trump, and when he tries to attack trump, i'm not sure
how well, he does it. because he has this anger at trump just as trump has an anger at him, and instead of the sort of slightly or at least somewhat inspiring guy when speaking in p spanish and talking about his own history and what he would like to do, with trump he's getting down and dirty and new york politics there, not saying that is new york politics always, but what he thinks it is, and i don't think that's going to work for him. and so my sense is that -- >> in new york. >> he didn't handle it so well. >> i don't think it handled it so well as he might have. i would have suggested the high road there. >> well, that hasn't been taken in a while. let me just -- >> marinate on that one. >> empty, no traffic. >> yeah. van, i'm coming to you, but lisa -- >> the road not taken. >> on that point, though, a lot of people have pointed out for months, though, the incredible ground game, the organization from the cruz campaign and how
they've been smart and outmaneuvered trump and i'm wondering, though, and i don't know if demise is the right word but the trump -- he did lose double digits in wisconsin. >> right. >> do you think that's being exaggerated today? >> i do. people have been talking about the demise of the donald trump campaign since he announced right. nobody took it seriously. look back last fall there's only a million dollars spent against him and after new hampshire there's been over 900% increase in spending against donald trump. people are obviously taking him seriously now as the frontrunner of the campaign. i think what we learned last night are some of the shortcomings of the donald trump campaign, the lack of the organization, we saw the strength of the ted cruz campaign, his organizational structure, getting to the state, running an aggressive campaign, understanding the opinion leaders in the state like some of the influential people as someone who worked in wisconsin politics the influence and radio hosts play a role within the republican party and electorate. >> that's what trump was pointing out. >> look ahead at april 19th and you have new york.
donald trump's been polling above 50%. you saw with the latest poll kasich is in second right now. >> pull up the poll. massive numbers for trump in the 50s. i don't know if he's been that high. kasich in second, cruz in third. to cruz's point, you know, polls are wrong he was polling ten points behind in wisconsin and look what he did there. van jones, new york, new york, new york. when is the last time the new york primary has been this important? >> never. for the republicans never. they just started maybe 20 years ago even having one. i thought cruz made a mistake now. >> how so? >> he doubled down on the new york values attack. that is foolish. i don't care who you are, he's not running against bill de blasio he's running against new york values. that makes no sense. how do you know it makes no sense, donald trump just tried this in wisconsin. donald trump, in attacking scott walker. >> right. >> wound up attacking wisconsin saying how much wisconsin sucks. >> didn't work. >> and consolidated everybody against him. ted cruz apparently didn't
understand his own success in wisconsin, getting donald trump saying, you know, basically bad stuff about wisconsin came to new york doing the same thing. he's got to get off of that and start talking about stuff that matters. people in new york know donald trump. they know how erratic he and what a nut case he can be. talk about that. don't talk about how you're right to attack new york values. that was the dumbest thing i've seen him do. he's a very smart guy. >> glad you're holding back. this is why we love van jones. >> subtlety. >> i have sun lan, she was there asking the first question to ted cruz. let me bring you in and happy birthday by the way. you know, listen, you hear van's point, what did you make of ted cruz's whole exchange just then? >> well, i thought it was certainly interesting, brooke, when i asked him about donald trump it didn't feel senator cruz went as far in really class tizing his response to the wisconsin results last night, certainly didn't go as far as he usually does and i think that's
in large part because he's trying to refocus his campaign, almost take a rhetorical pivot towards the general election, not wanting to spend, it seems much time devoted to responding to donald trump. he did when i asked him about that statement coming from the trump campaign last night, where they called him basically a trojan horse being used by party bosses, when i read him what the trump statement said he responded and said almost sarcastically like it's always nice to know that the donald trump campaign is performing with class, and kind of pivoted and said, basically that's the reason why he lost wisconsin. i thought that was an interesting pivot. he didn't seem to bite as much as he normally does going after donald trump. today he's trying to start anew here in new york. he's spending the next 48 hours here exchange in donald trump's home turfing here at a restaurant in the bronx. he will head to an area outside of albany tomorrow. the cruz campaign feels good
about where they are in new york although we should point out he is well behind in the polls has a steep uphill climb. they believe they can gain in delegates because delegates are awarded in this state on congressional district by congressional district so they already have a team on the ground here. they are working to compete hard. it is a steep climb nor the cruz campaign. brooke. >> thank you. just turning, lisa, to you and van close this out, we would be remiss in not mentioning john kasich as we saw in the poll. >> poor guy. >> he did place in second ahead for new york but again, it could be anyone's primary. i'm wondering, you know, i talked to governor kasich a couple weeks ago and said sir, when are you going to have a come to jesus with yourself. he said i have a come to jesus with myself every day. i'm wondering despite the fact he's looking good so far, apparently a meeting with donors maybe this afternoon reportedly, what's his move? >> look, you're looking at a guy who has only won his home state and mind you this is a guy who
has represented ohio in some capacity off and on for almost 38 years, right. that was the primary in ohio was the 13th contest he has won in the state. and he won by double digits but the fact that it was even a contest in his home state where he's represented for almost 38 years is a problem in itself. i think he's holding out hope it does get to a contested convention, seeming increasingly likely after it ted cruz's win last night, so he's holding out hope that you have folks like lindsey graham who said choosing between donald trump and ted cruz is like either getting shot or poisoned. he's holding out hope individuals like that will sway things potentially in his favor and he might walk away with the nomination. >> whether choosing to drink the poison endorsing ted cruz. finally from you. >> kasich dwoil better going forward. you may have seen maybe the high water mark for someone like cruz. cruz is not going to do well in a lot of these states coming up because he's too conservative and unvarnished. kasich will do better. the reality is that kasich is -- has exactly the hope we
described that once you get to the third, the fourth, fifth ballot and nobody there is that people will recognize his great work. i remember when being a governor who was successful mattered in american politics. i think he's hoping some day those days will return. >> the last governor please stand up. they're all just about out. van jones, lisa booth, thank you, john nicols, a pleasure, thank you so much. coming up next, despite a double-digit win in wisconsin, bernie sanders is on the defensive today for what he did not say, specifically when pushed on policy. this as his campaign manager issues the stern message to the clinton campaign. >> this what is i would say to them. which is, don't destroy the democratic party to satisfy the secretary's ambitions to become president of the united states. >> wait until you see how hillary clinton has responded to that moments ago in a one-on-one interview with us here at cnn. >> i mean, it's just ludicrous
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although she lost to bernie sanders in the state of wisconsin hillary clinton is laughing today. she's laughing at some of the claims coming from the sanders camp that she is, in fact, dividing the democratic party. stedfast in her confidence and delegate count is insurmountable she talked to my colleague, chris cuomo. >> you may have heard that senator sanders' campaign manager jeff weaver said something very interesting and inflammatory on our air here saying that, you know, the clinton campaign, secretary clinton, they need to be careful not to destroy the democratic party merely in pursuit of her own ambition to be president. very strong words. your response to that idea? >> well, i mean, it's just ludicrous on the face of it, you know. i have been campaigning for democrats, fund-raising for
democrats, recruiting democrats to run and win for a really long time. i think about 40 years. and senator sanders by his own admission has never even been a democrat. >> how much more substance does he need other than i want to break up the banks, we'll figure out how, i want to go after so i i'll it figure out where i interrogate them. >> well, it's going to be up to the voters to decide. >> it's about what you want to do. you'll figure out how later. >> yeah. yeah. well, that's not the way i've seen it work over a lot of years and a lot of reading of history. i think the presidents who are successful know what they want to do and they know how to do it. >> all right. let's get reaction from the former lieutenant governor of wisconsin and bernie sanders supporter. lieutenant governor, welcome. >> good morning or afternoon i guess. >> afternoon. it's all right. it's all running together. it's been a crazy election cycle. let me begin first, obviously congratulations for the big bernie sanders win. >> thank you. >> in your home state last
night. to, you know, hillary clinton's point laughing off the notion that sanders camp is saying she is dividing the party, i mean just do the math. she has a tremendous lead in terms of the delegate count. why do you think she's dividing the party? do you agree with that? >> i don't know if i would use those terms, but i would say that this is a moment for great caution to hold the party together. the party needs a larger definition. she's asserted and reasserted that she is an establishment democrat and she's been out there working and raising money for democrats, but bernie sanders just won the state of wisconsin by 14 points and he won 71 of 72 counties and lost the last county by only three points. what we're seeing -- and he won seven of the last eight states, is he's really getting a mandate from people who are coming and voting in democratic primaries, but they're asking for something, a bolder vision from
the democratic party. and their agenda is very important and we need to think about it and embrace it. many of those people feel that what we're living out now as we watch the hallowing out of the middle class is precisely the result of incremental politics and chewing around the edges of these issues. >> i hear you. you know you're right. he is on a roll with regard to these states recently and so, you know, especially with a double digit victory in wisconsin, the headlines this morning should be a tad rosier than they are because a lot of attention has been given to the interview your candidate did with editorial board of the "new york daily news," showing him having difficulty, clearly answering some of these questions about foreign and domestic policies, specifically, you know, he acknowledged that he wasn't sure exactly how he intended to break up the big banks which has been the centerpiece of his wall street reform agenda. how would you explain such a
lack of specifics in answers? >> well, having done a statewide campaign and not a presidential, i can tell you there is an occasion where you don't always have the greatest clarity you wish you had. he has been very clear on those issues. if he had a bad day let's get beyond it. i know new york is going to be a rough and tumble plays but he has talked -- >> if he knows what he's talking about why not be specific in the interview. new york is two weeks away? >> i don't know what happened in that interview, but i know that he has been specific about what he plans to do with those banks and have the treasury department identify the banks and the insurance companies and the shadow bank that would be too big to fail and require a taxpayer bailout, and then work with the federal reserve to break them up with the authority of dodd/frank. and then move ahead and do that and break it up. so he's got a plan.
he knows where the authority lies. i think that this is just a harbinger of what will come in the -- as we go forward in the new york race, that a headline that dismisses the positions he's already stated very clearly. >> in the same interview, bernie sanders defended gun manufacturers, in the wake of the lawsuit brought by the victims of sandy hook and this is how hillary clinton responded to that just last hour. >> so difficult and the core issue comes down to, should gun manufacturers be liable for their products being used illegally? you essentially say yes. the senator says, well you would have to show me something more than that, there's some reason they should be liable. i get the emotion but where's the reason behind holding gun manufacturers liable in a way no other corporation would be? >> well that's not true, chris. in fact, under this legislation
that senator sanders supported they are the only industry in america that is not liable and accountable for what they do or fail to do. and let's remember, why the nra called this piece of legislation the most important gun vote in years. it's because cities like new york and states and other groups were coming together around legal challenges to the behavior of gun makers and sellers, trying to stem the epidemic of gun violence and the nra wanted to stop it in its tracks and they were able to get people like senator sanders to do their bidding. i voted against it. >> lieutenant governor, senator sanders has been extremely progressive on so many issues but highly criticized by democrats for this. i'm wondering if you think he should rethink his stance on this? >> well, actually, as i understand it, he has legislation proposed that would
distinguish between the small venders to hunters in rural areas and the people who are really creating the problems with this. i think it's a misrepresentation of his position. >> i'll have to -- we'll look at the details because it is important and it could come up in the debate. >> it is important. >> it is important. the cnn debate is a couple days before the april 19th primary here in new york. you know, senator sanders grew up in brooklyn, hillary clinton was a senator in the state for eight years. >> yeah. >> adopted home. >> and it's a must-win state. >> it's a must-win state and what do you think he needs to do on that debate stage to grab those voters? >> well, i think what he needs to do to grabs his voters is to do exactly what he did in wisconsin, which is spent a lot of time, get his message out, and he did outspend -- he spent more time and spent more money in our state than hillary clinton and when people heard his message and understood what his position and his vision is, they came to it.
so he really needs to make that vincement. it's a -- investment. it's a must-win state. he comes with a mandate and a lot of energy behind it. want to get back to the issue of the democratic party. you know, when we look at what he's been able to do in bringing new voters and especially young voters who don't really have a partisan identity yet, that's -- and who are making small contributions and giving him a huge edge in fund-raising without doing a single fund-raiser, that's bringing real growth to the democratic party. and it needs to be embraced. >> barbara lawton, thank you for your time from the -- one of the supporters from bernie sanders. next, we'll talk to a member of the clinton campaign who has the homefield advantage come new york's primary in two weeks and what is their plan if sanders scores big there? back after a quick break.
you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. you've seen the headline bernie sanders grabbing a delegate sweep from hillary clinton. a heckic month lies a ahead. in the state of new york 247 delegates all looking to be grabbed on that one day. >> due do you think that will mean you need super delegates because the sanders campaign essentially says that's dirty pool, the super delegates are an artificial help to you? >> well, you know, he knew what
the rules were when he decided to run for president. most importantly i think we will reach whatever number is required. we're going to continue to acquire delegates and add to our total. i have more delegates than he does in a broader margin than president obama had over me at this time in 2008. if you go back and look at 2008 i had a string of great victories in the spring. i won new york, i won pennsylvania. we were really on a very good winning streak. however, i did to the end up with more delegates. i actually, by some measures, ended up with more popular vote, but it's delegates that count and so i think let's keep focused on what the facts are here. i have a really considerable lead in the popular vote and i have a considerable lead in the delegates. >> joining me now joe bennington, chief strategist for the hillary clinton campaign and democratic pollster and
consultant. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> we heard from secretary clinton. i know your a going to tell me, brooke, it's about the math and delegate count. bernie sanders momentum is not insignificant. six in a row. >> yeah. >> your response to that? >> you said a delegate sweep. last night he picked up net ten delegates in a state about 20% larger than virginia, which when we won that primary we got 27 net delegates. unfortunately for senator sanders, the rules are clear, the currency of the nomination are winning delegates, which we have a commanding lead. secretary clinton said it. you saw and showed it. he has a steep mountain to climb. i've been saying it's nearly insurmountable to overcome a 230 net delegate lead, especially when you're winning ten at a time. it's not enough. >> bernie sanders said if i win wisconsin and if i win new york, then i will win the white house. now, i can't do math like that on the fly, i don't know how correct that would be, but bottom line, people are starting
this notion of a potential contested convention on the democratic side starting to percolate, a, how likely is that to happen and what do you do if he wins new york some. >> first of all, i think he's got to not just win states, he has to win every state by a landslide. let's define winning for senator sanders according to what he would have to do. >> okay. >> to make up the delegate gap he has. win every state by landslides here on out. he won't do that. but let's -- to your other question, brooke -- >> that's panic button if he wins new york. >> no. he won ten delegates last night. i believe we're going to win new york and i believe whether we net plus 20 delegates or he picks up, you know -- gets us close to even it's not going to matter. he's going to have to do that, what he did last night, he won with 57% of the vote and netted ten delegates. he has to win 58% of the delegates going forward. he's not doing that. and that's just the reality. as for the convention, look, i think secretary clinton is within about 600 delegates of
what it takes to get to a majority. he needs 1300. he needs to win two out of every three going forward including super delegates and as hillary pointed out very much, by the way. >> yes. >> barack obama didn't have a majority of pledged delegates and won with super delegates. senator sanders' top campaign consultant knows his first presidential nominee walter mondale had to have pledged delegates. they know how you win this. they haven't succeeded. >> bigger picture we saw van jones and he had said, you know, there's a civil war afoot within the democratic party and watching your eyes i don't know if you agree with that, but, you know, i think what made me look up when i was watchings chris interview secretary clinton when she laughed off jeff weaver, the senator sanders' camp last night, talking about how she is destroying the democratic party. if you have missed this, here it is. >> you know, the senator has tried to run an issue oriented
campaign, obviously the contrast has become sharper of late. we're fully prepared to engage in that environment if they want to. this is what i would say to them, which is, you know, don't destroy the democratic party to satisfy the secretary's ambit n ambitions to become president of the united states. we want to have a party we can unify. let's have a tough debate, talk about the issues, there are sharp contrasts between the two, but let's not, you know, denigrate other people's supporters and tear the party apart. >> yours response to that idea? >> yeah. well, i mean, it's just ludicrous on the face of it. you know, i have been campaigning for democrats, fund-raising for democrats, recruiting democrats, to run and win for a really long time. i think about 40 years. and senator sanders by his own admission has never even been a democrat. >> care to add to that? >> look, we have praised senator sanders for the enthusiasm he's generated on the stump. we've generated enthusiasm at
the ballot box. that's why we've had 2.4 million voters, built a much more diverse coalition of voters, the kind of coalition democrats need to win. we want democrats to be part of this campaign when, if hillary clinton becomes the nominee, as i believe she will. she has been helping raise money for democrats up and down the line right now. senator sanders and his campaign criticized her for that recently. i think everybody knows that if we win the presidency, which we must do in this country, we will need to elect democrats up and down the line. secretary clinton is the one candidate in this race who has been helping raise money to help them do that. i think the suggestion she's dividi the party, is ludicrous. >> joel benenson, see you at the cnn debate in brooklyn in a couple weeks. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. reminder -- here we go. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will face off for that presidential democratic debate from brooklyn, new york, next thursday, april 14th, here on cnn. coming up next, on the republican side, after last
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ted cruz held his first public event since his stunning victory in wisconsin over republican frontrunner donald trump. cruz is taking the battle to trump's home state of new york while many republicans believe a contested republican convention is all but assured at this point. here is what senator cruz had to say. >> it if you look at the election results last night, we
won across the state, we won women, we won men, we won young people, we won every income group. what we saw, is we saw republicans come together and unite, stand united, and that's really what this election is all about. it is about unity. if we come together, we're going to win. if we remain divided we will not. >> but, you know, we were just talking to folks on both sides both parties and they know it's about the delegate math not momentum cruz trails trump by 236 delegates. trump's path to that magic number 1237 is needed to clinch the nomination looking less likely. the electoral map is shrinking and shrinking fast. trump has little margin for error in the republican contest. bring in cnn's delegate analyst mike shields. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> all right with wisconsin in the rear view and looking ahead to the states in the future is this a done deal on the
republican side, a contested convention or not necessarily? >> well, it's not mathematically a done deal and certainly donald trump, the frontrunner, could still, you know, there's five winner take all states left. there's california, is a huge number of delegates, 172, new york, has 95, and so there's still some opportunities for him to really mount huge delegate counts, but if you look at the percentages he has to win, it's very unlikely. i think both the trump campaign and the cruz campaign are now working two campaigns, working to talk to voters and they're working to talk to delegates. i think they both recognize we're likely now to head to a contested convention based on the math and the way that donald trump would have to perform going on here on out. >> i think rnc folks are sort of functioning in that same notion as well. i understand rnc and veteran republican operatives held a meeting tuesday afternoon. they were talking about from my understanding, you know, bound delegates and how the party will organize, the timing e inine iie
rounds of ballots. what do you think rnc officials should be doing behind the scenes to get prepared? >> they are getting ready. the rnc has the administrative role. the delegates make the decision, will choose the w.h.o. the nominee is. the delegate wills decide which names are placed in nomination at the convention. that's up to the delegates. what the rnc those do is provide an open and transparent process and make sure the delegates are able to carry out their functions and that's what they're going to do. i think they really benefit from having a lot of expertise with the chairman of the rnc and the staff they have there to really get ready for this. >> when you talk about strategy, mike, we keep hearing that the ted cruz camp has really strong ground game on recruiting these delegates and tell me how that works and why he, perhaps, seems to be at the advantage versus the donald trump camp. >> he has sort of two advantages although i will say the trump campaign is gearing up, now waging on this fight, and so it
remains to be seen if they can sort of catch up, but i think there is two inherent advanta advantageladvantages that cruz had. first he built his ground game up in the campaign from the very beginning. i think most people would acknowledge he had one of the best ground games of any of the 17 candidates that originally started running for president and that really translates very well now that you're going to delegate by delegate fights at the local level talking to theses delegates about who they want to vote for for president when they get to the convention. the other sort of built-in advantage he has, a lot of these delegates are party regulars, people at the local county level and state level have been working in the tea party and republican party politics for a long time and some of them are predisposed to be with cruz because that's where they were in the first place. whereas trump didn't really have any inroads in the local party infrastructure until now. >> to be continued. mike shields thank you so much. our delegate analyst. and it is all eyes on new york for both parties. donald trump and ted cruz both holding events in the same state today.
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the delegates in the remaining primaries and caucuses to hit that number of 1,237 delegates. all of this makes the stakes higher for the primary here in the state of new york that is april 19th with its 95 delegates and that is where ted cruz is today specifically in the borough of the bronx. he responded to trump's claim that cruz was quote/unquote a trojan horse and a pawn of republican party bosses. >> well, you know, donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. if he wants to engage in insults, he's welcome to do so. he gets very angry when the voters reject him. he has now lost in four states in a row. he lost a landslide election in utah, he lost all six delegates that were elected in colorado, he lost badly in north dakota and yesterday in wisconsin, a
state that he bragged the day before, the day before yesterday, donald trump promised a, quote, big victory in wisconsin, and not only did he not get a big victory but the men and women of wisconsin resoundingly rejected his campaign and the reason is simple. donald has no solutions to the problems we're facing. he likes to yell and scream and insult and curse, and his statement last night was consistent with that. but he has no real solutions to bringing jobs back to america. >> so what are trump's next steps? cnn's sarah murray is following the frontrunner live in beth page, new york. so we know he has tweeted it's nice to be back home, hoping that will help him going into the primary in a week and a half. i hear, what, he's planning to give more speeches? what's on the docket for mr. trump? >> that's right, brooke. i think you're starting to see a realization within the trump campaign and some of his allies that he may need an added dose
of discipline if he wants to actually be able to get over this hurdle to get 1237 delegates and avoid a floor fight. we know that donald trump is working on a series of policy speeches that should be coming in the next couple weeks dealing with issues like education, rebuilding the military, so it will be interesting to see, you know, just how prepared those remarks are when he rolls them out. i think the other thing that they're really going to be fo s focused on is here in new york, this is donald trump's hometown and there's a new poll out from monmouth university that shows he does have a hometown edge. he leads the republican primary voters here by a huge margin, 52% compared to 25% for john kasich and 72% for ted cruz. i think what the trump campaign is focused on are the big delegate prizes like new york and california, places they want to win in order to avoid what you were talking about a floor fight in cleveland. >> sarah murray, thank you very much. on that, joining me now, i have chief political correspondent
dana bash here with me in new york, cnn national political reporter and matt anythingen hine for "the new york times." dana bash to you on the notion of the new york primary mattering so, so much, i'm reading, people are saying it's been decades since it was so totally pertinent to clinching the nomination. >> right. for lots of nominations. first of all just because it's usually so late in the calendar, which is hard to believe we are pretty late in the calendar in recent history, we have a presumptive nominee by now, that's one, but two, you know, new york, you don't think of it as a place where republican candidates are decided especially in modern times, and it actually is an interesting place because it is a blue state traditionally and it's going to make it even more difficult. i've been talking to some strategists, trying to figure out exactly where and how the best campaigns are to be run and messages are to be run, to
attract new york republicans which are at least down here, not in upstate, different from others. >> i think also, matt, to you, on ted cruz he was asked about the new york values, you know, comment he made once upon a time and it seemed to me he was really doubling down on that. i'm wondering if that was a smart move, considering, you know, he needs those votes come april 19th and i'm not so sure how that's going to fly with new yorkers? >> yeah. i mean the distinction he's tried to make is new york values as he defined it was the policies of liberal politicians, bill de blasio and andrew cuomo, folks who have been recipients of donations from donald trump over the years, andrew cuomo, el bot spitzer, anthony weiner, others in the city, left leaning, tried to make that distinction between the city and the republican votes he's seeking and the sort of classic liberal policies you might associate with a place like new
york. >> you saw the monmouth poll. donald trump, i don't know if we've seen a huge number for him, 52% off the top of my head, kasich actually in second place, and then cruz, you know, in the end, cruz was asked about that and he said listen, i was behind ten points in wisconsin and look what i did last flight. to his point polls don't always matter but give me perspective how huge is that for trump and on the flip side not so great for cruz in new york? >> well right now, the momentum game is so important for ted cruz. we saw, you know, the anti-trump forces come in and really help him in wisconsin last night, and those numbers don't look good for him. so, you know, we've always known that trump was going to be entering more favorable terrain for his campaign and really, he needs that right now. we know he is way behind ted cruz in the delegate game, got colorado coming up this weekend, there's a question as to whether trump's campaign is even going to be a presence out there, and it's just a really difficult time for trump, particularly
after last night, so, you know, trump could have a moment here if he figures out how to run a more disciplined operation where he can kind of right the ship a little bit as he heads into new york and we'll see what happens. >> that's really a key what maeve was talking about. the terrain is so much better for donald trump and even -- >> moving ahead, not just in new york. >> but moving ahead i have a list here, pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut, delaware, even rohode island, trats gists helping to craft the never trump movement say last night was one of the reasons why last night in wisconsin was critical because they knew that after that, it would be even harder to stop trump. so -- on the one hand it's favorable for him, on the other hand it's incumbent on trump not to squander that and figure out as maeve said how to right the ship and use the new people he
has been bringing in to try to maybe, maybe have a little bit of a more traditional campaign. it's hard to have a less traditional campaign than he'sed. >> we've heard and talked about how the cruz camp has been organized on the ground, maybe outmaneuvering delegates when it comes to t comes. >> they're intertwined. for example, last night ted cruz was doing well even before donald trump did not have a great week, but it certainly didn't hurt ted cruz to move forward with the kind of momentum into wisconsin and it helped him with the math because donald trump, not only lost big, he lost with the math. only got three delegates last night. that matters. going forward all of these states, there are -- there are complicated ways to decide how many delegates each candidate gets es specipecially here in n
york. the momentum in the pockets and congressional districts that are going to be feeding the delegates into the whole state total, that matters. >> matt, here's what i want to know from you, we've been talking about ted cruz responding to donald trump's statement from last night where essentially in the end, he goes back to the lying ted cruz bit, used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from mr. trump, do you think that mr. trump's campaign is sort of planting the seeds, like this could be a future narrative from the trump camp essentially saying it was l lyin ted who's stealing this from us. >> you've seen this playbook from trump before, tried to paint opponents of being tools of the establishment. it's a tougher case to make against somebody like ted cruz who has sort of made a career in his own way of railing against what he calls the washington cartel. you saw him today and he's been consistent on this trying to stay above the fray, say that
donald lashes out when he's losing. that's the message you will hear from him consistently. but there's no question that donald trump is trying to make lyin ted stick. >> maev, john kasich, we have to talk about john kasich, number two in the poll for new york, and you laugh, but what does he do moving forward here? >> well, i think, you know, that's what we were just talking about. it's an organization game right now. the fact that we got through last night and it looks like we are almost certainly headed to a contested convention, we know kasich has good people on his team, we know that any number of possible things could happen at the convention, and so that's what they're really banking on going forward, this is going to turn into a huge delegate fight and they will be organized going there. he has a lot of advisors involved in the 76 convention, actually all the campaigns do now, to make sure they know what's happening if history repeats itself and that is his
last best hope here, but i don't think any of us can rule out the possibility that something completely wild could happen and the fact that john kasich is running gives him a shot there. >> something completely wild. >> in 2016. >> i don't know where you get that idea. it's so crazy. to the point the new monmouth poll you've been talking about it goes through the three remaining republican candidates who best would beat hillary clinton and more importantly which has the republicans who will stick with them the most. against the democrat and that's john kasich. he gets like 81% of republicans who will vote for him would stick with him in the general election and that is the kind of argument that they're going to try to collect in several states going forward, camp kasich, when they get to the convention, and it is a complete chaotic mess, if that happens, then they can
turn to all the delegates and say see what's your goal, want to win in snoef? i'm your guy. >> incredible. i'm not letting go of you. you're sticking around for a segment later. coming up next despite a double-digit win in wisconsin on the democrat side bernie sanders he's on the defensive today for what he did not say when asked for specifics on policy, all of this as his campaign manager issuing a stern message to the clinton campaign. >> this is what i would say to them which is, you know, don't destroy the democratic party to satisfy the secretary's ambitions to become the secretary of the united states. >> you will hear hillary clinton's response to that moments ago on a cnn one-on-one live interview here. what exactly might a contested convention look like? we will take you inside the cnn virtual studio and later, actress comedian amy schumer putting "glamour" magazine on notice for putting her in their plus-sized issue, schumer not laughing whatsoever. we're going to have a chat about
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hillary clinton laughing off a question here on cnn hours after a loss to bernie sanders. this one in wisconsin. making seven sanders victories out of the last eight contests. secretary clinton says she's not sweating it. >> do you think that that will mean that you will need super delegates because the sanders campaign essentially says that's dirty pool, the super delegates are an artificial help to you. >> well, you know, he knew what the rules were when he decided to run for president, but most importantly, i think we will reach whatever number is required. we're going to continue to acquire delegates and add to our total. i have more delegates than he does in a broader margin than president obama had over me at this time in 2008. if you go back and look at 2008, i had a string of great
victories in the spring. i won new york, i won pennsylvania. we were really on a very good winning streak. however, i did not end up with more delegates. i actually, by some measures, ended up with more popular vote but it's delegates that count and so i think let's keep focused on what the facts are here. i have a really considerable lead in the popular vote and i have a considerable lead in the delegates. >> so with me now, robert zimmerman, democratic strategist and hillary clinton supporter and back with us clay aiken, former democratic candidate for congress in north carolina who supports bernie sanders. welcome to both of you. >> good to be with you. >> robert, let me turn to you. i had joel benonton from the hillary clinton camp on last hour echoed was what secretary clinton was saying, bernie sanders has won the last six but it's in the math and delegates and they're feeling confident. but at the same time the momentum is not insignificant
would you agree? >> here's the point. i don't believe two days from now, even two weeks from now, new york,ers will talk about the wisconsin primary. wisconsin may influence wyoming -- >> the last six. >> not even the last six. if you think new yorkers will let alaska or wisconsin or wyoming tell them how to vote i can get you a great deal on a bridge in brooklyn with your name on it. they will make their decisions on their own and merits. >> clay, what do you think? >> listen, i have to say first of all i don't speak for the sanders campaign because today i'm a little mixed. i think there's some points that both sides are making that i agree with. >> why are you feeling mixed, clay. >> i mean, i certainly think the interview in the "daily news" today showed a few weaknesses, showed a few flaws. i think bernie sanders supporters on the other hand support him because he's honest and the bernie sanders supporters that i've talked to today are thrilled with that. i do think, i do believe that this momentum argument does have a place. i mean the people in these states that have voted later
like wisconsin, idaho, utah, have had longer to look at the records of these two candidates, longer to decide who they want to vote on and the trend recently has been that people are voting in favor of senator sanders. that has to take its place in people's decision-making process. i believe that super delegates should not make the decision and i think the popular vote should be the pledged delegates that make the decision but people need to take a hard look at the fact that those folks who have had longer to look at the candidates are siding with senator sanders more. >> you brought up the daily news point, senator sanders, does the interview with the editorial board of the "new york daily news" having a tough time being specific on some of the questions with regard to policies, one of the center pieces of his campaign, wall street reform, breaking up the big banks he doesn't have a specific answer on that which could be troubling and has been, you know, capitalized upon by the clinton camp. clay, is that the reason for
your, mixedness today, on senator sanders sp. >> it is a little bit. i'm not with the campaign so i don't speak for them, but as someone who sat in editorial board interviews myself, sometimes they can be -- they're tough as they should be. i know senators sanders -- >> how do you clean that up. >> with more specifics -- >> he's come out today with more ecifics. but, you know, my communicationings director would have had a heart attack if i said things like i'm not qualified to give advice to the israeli army. >> clay, i think first of all, i'm a great admirer of your career as a performer and you were a great democratic candidate for congress and your open-mindedness is a fair and important point because it's not just this "daily news" interview the most recent indication of senator sanders not having specifics to put his plans in action, you have leading economic progressives like paul krugman taking senator sanders to task, fareed zakaria did a column saying the republicans
look more responsible than bernie sanders on his plans and planned parenthood the human rights campaign, the black and hispanic congressional caucuses taking him to task. the real issue here is not just the rhetoric, the ideals that we all share, but how effective you're going to be at putting those dreams into realty. i think there's a real important debate -- >> at the end of the day. >> the cnn debate will reflect that and be important to debate issues like gun safety and the fact that senator -- >> at the end of the day senator sanders -- >> yes. go ahead. >> senator sanders did come out later today with some more specific, so we have -- i have to as a supporter of his i have to give him the right to have a bad day, to have a tough moment in an endorsement campaign. however, as we see, more and more people, consistently are supporting his north star and that's what i call it, the fact that his dreams and his goals for this country at the end of the day are more progressive than secretary clinton's have been and i think it's really important, it's very important
to remember that these people are voting on mass. he's certainly got a very uphill climb in the delegate count i'll admit that. even though he has an uphill climb his supporters are not leaving him an secretary clinton needs to recognize this. >> i think on wall street and thank you for you mentioning the cnn debate days before in brooklyn before the all-important new york primary april 19th and we know that stop in brooklyn is a couple subway stops from wall street. on the flip side hillary clinton has been criticized over ties with wall street, speeches, not releasing transcripts and i'm wondering if the theme of wall street looms large at the debate. how does hillary clinton, how does she overcome that? >> first of all what the bigger issue is the personal attacks that senator sanders is accusing hillary clinton of without any substantiation on her record. >> destroying the party you mean? >> one, the yash surds charge she's destroying the party. from bernie sanders who refuses even to be a democrat. but the bigger issue when it comes to standing up to wall
street hillary clinton, let's face it, a new york senator, her largest industry in her state is wall street. she took wall street head on before 2008 on executive compensation, on regulatory practices and procedures, so she has really been a champion of that issue. likewise the attack by senator sanders saying that she was somehow compromised by the oil and gas industry when he well receives support from the oil and gas industry employees. i mean, we have to move away from the personal attacks. clay, if senator sanders has specific issues, pieces of legislation he feels senator clinton has not been up front he should say so. i think there's a debate to bed a about legislation. in new york talk about wall street and we're going to talk about gun safety and the fact that senator sanders still supports gun manufacturers and won't support sandy hook victims having their day in court. that's a major issue in our state and country. >> clay, respond and we got to go. >> well listen, again, another point where i sort of waffle, i don't think that hillary clinton
is separating the party. i don't think she's splitting the party and that was an irresponsible line from the sanders' campaign. that said this debate and this "new york daily news" article or doernsment interview are going to have no impact in new york. i think the debate and all of the discussion for the next week is really going to be focused on new york and, of course, robert zimmerman does have a point there that the debate on wall street and the issues that are being talked about in this "new york daily news" endorsement have an effect on new york voters. senator sanders wants to win in new york and he absolutely must, in order to continue his climb, then he's really going to have to pay attention to new york voters this week. these -- this endorsement interview probably won't play too much outside of new york, i don't believe, but it's going to have the attention of new york voters and i think that's important. >> clay aiken, robert zimmerman, thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> for talking about new york, obviously, in the coming week and a half, indeed, do not mishillary clinton and bernie sanders facing off in the
democratic debate live from brooklyn, new york. it is next thursday night april 14th, 9:00 eastern, only here on cnn. coming up next, as for the republicans, the cruz campaign is hoping she will be the next first lady. but up till now, heidi cruz has spent much of her time on the trail fending off attacks from donald trump. why some say senator cruz's wife stepping back into the spotlight is a very strategic move. uh oh. oh. henry! oh my. good, you're good. back, back, back. (vo) according to kelley blue book, subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
in his wisconsin victory speech ted cruz took several opportunities to praise his wife, thanking heidi cruz. his supporters chanting her name as much as his. >> i may be biased, but isn't she going to make an amazing first lady. >> we love you, wisconsin. >> heidi, heidi, heidi, heidi, heidi. >> she's the child of missionaries, my best friend in the world, and she's become a successful business leader, a loving mom, and every day she's teaching our daughters caroline and katherine that strong women can accomplish anything in the united states of america.
>> now a piece of this may be a not so subtle response to donald trump's, quote, regrettable tweet of an unflattering photo of heidi cruz. talk about this with chris moody who wrote a piece about this and chief political correspondent dana bash good enough to be back with us. mr. moody beginning with you and your cnn.com piece where you say, it was absolutely intentional, all of that last night, all absolutely intentional on the senator's part. >> well heidi cruz is often standing next to her husband at victory rallies like we saw last night. what was very different was the context, given the amount of attacks that had been leveled by the trump campaign against heidi cruz, things that are very personal even threats about her. what we saw was as she stood up there, you heard the crowd chanting her name, an opportunity for them to show the cruzs that they stood behind her and supported her and an opportunity for ted cruz to show that he supports her and will
defend her which he had been doing over the past couple weeks. now, this is an opportunity also for cruz to make up for what -- for donald trump, if you look at his polling numbers with women, they have sunk under water about 70% among female voters if you look at that data. ted cruz senses an opportunity there and by highlighting not only his wife's role as a mother but also successful businesswoman in investment banking, or his wife, and also his mother who was in the -- in the computer industry, it's really an opportunity for him to get some of those voters that donald trump might have lost for the long term. >> the women vote is very important. we know that. but dana, turning to you, you spent time with her, interviewed heidi cruz around the new hampshire primary, what do you make of that? >> i think chris is exactly right. i do think that some of it happened organically, that the people in the crowd saw her and knew that she had been under fire, obviously, and rallied
around her and that's why ted cruz being an astute politician, you know -- >> seized upon that. >> not only wanted to give his wife a hug, but also, politically wanted to show what chris talked about. in this case, heidi cruz sort of phenomenon has the benefit of being true. when i say that, i mean ted cruz talking about the fact that he's teaching his two daughters the power of having a strong female presence, because she is. she's incredibly strong. not only did she work for goldman sachs which she is on a leave of absence for, she has such an integral role. >> in the campaign. >> behind the scenes. >> people don't realize that. >> behind the scenes, from day one, way before day one, she was helping. because she has a management business background, she has helped guide the structure of the campaign. she has helped tremendously in dialing for dollars. she is -- everybody says, even people who are opposed to ted
cruz, they kind of bow at the altar of her fund-raising prowess. she's kind of incredible about that. it is only recently my interview with her a couple months ago i guess now and a couple of others, since, that she has done more of a more traditional spouse kind of roll out in that she tried to humanize her husband, which is usually what you see on the campaign trail from the spouse, but before that, she -- it's not that she wasn't involved, it's that she was involved in a very specific, strategic way. >> you talk about humanizing your husband. i'm curious, anywhere i've been out and about at debates or what not you see milan ya trump not far from her husband. do you think we'll see more of her, putting her out more, or she's helping him at all? >> yes. in fact even going through the -- as you said the debates, and also some stump events and regular rallies, you're referring to the picture we have up there, that she actually went and spoke at a rally in
wisconsin, clearly tried to, you know, humanize donald trump but also tell the women out there, you know, he's not -- >> he's a good guy. >> we have seen an evolution for milan ya trump. she was the woman you saw and didn't hear from for months and months and now start doing some interviews and then in the spin room, i remember there were times where i would be like, you know, do you want to come over in the spin room after debates and she didn't want to and then started to do it. she started to come over and get more comfortable. look, i mean, i can't even imagine what it's like going back to heidi cruz, the two of them, heidi and ted cruz, they met on a political campaign, they met on george w. bush's 2000 campaign, they are both political animals really. they have it in their blood. milan ya is not only an immigrant but she's a model. this is not what she does. certainly not what she signed up for when she said she was going to marry a billionaire real estate moog -- mogul.
she's been making her way to the comfort zone. >> surprise. thrust into a spotlight i suppose. thank you both so much. straight ahead actress amy schumer calling out "glamour" magazine for putting her in their plus-sized issue without letting her know. how the magazine is responding and is the term plus-size in need of a reboot? model emmy joins me next. but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time. the microsoft cloud helped us to bring banking to ten million people in just two years. it's transforming our world. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch.
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like. she wrote on instagram she wrote this, i think there's nothing wrong with being plus sized, beautiful healthy women, plus sized is considered size 16 in america. i go between a size 6 and 8. gam more put in their pluz size only issue without asking or letting me know and doesn't feel right to me. young girls seeing my body type thinking that is plus size. what are your thoughts? mine not cool. glamour has responded, which is aimed at women 12 and up, women who inspire us. the edition did not describe her as plus size. we are sorry if we offended her in any way. model emmy with us. >> so good to see you. >> i follow amy schumer and saw this on instagram. >> i want to have cocktails with her. >> get in line. >> do you think her reaction is fair? >> interesting word fair. i think it's a reflectship -- >> would you be irked if they
didn't call you and say we're going to put your name -- >> a lot of people wouldn't but because amy, i don't know her personally, because amy's work is out there in defending women, and being very bold and brazen and fiercely independent and using her voice in such a great way about saying use your voice if you don't feel that women's bodies are being treated right and she is -- she's been in "glamour" magazine before, on the cover and "glamour" is about celebrating the bouquet of beauty. i think what happened, it feels like, a multiplicity of things bigger than amy schumer and "glamour" magazine. take a bird's eye view women don't like to be categorized period. this word, four letter, pl-l-u- has gotten too much power. we need to dismantle this thing. >> eenp ven though glamour
wasn't saying you're plus sized even though her name was soshed with a plus sized edition, you can understand, somebody who vacillates between a 6 and 8 as well, if they were to put my name and i feel like i work hard it's like a would i be irked. >> the way i saw the cover, i was so happy that glamour had done this edition because the full figured women above a size 12 does not have a magazine at the elk of glamour, at the elk of "elle" and other major magazines out there. and to see this wonderful edition was great. i thumbed through it and i didn't relate. it's servicing me. a part of a service. however, because amy is a 6/8 she probably didn't want to be telling other young girls that were looking at this issue if, in fact, it was something that a girl says amy schumer is plus, there was no association to that, other than her just being as one of those wonderful women we love and applaud, right, she
didn't want to have a confusion. so -- >> what about the fact that glamour didn't reach out. you've been in magazine after magazine. >> well, if i get on a cover of a magazine and it's a beautiful magazine, if, in fact, it was a derogatory magazine, i would not appreciate that. >> but it's glamour. >> this is glamour right. >> under the category of who inspire uss. >> two sides of this. there's many points of contact with this issue. it's really not just about celebrating amy schumer on being this wonderful voice for women and being on this initial cover with a wonderful group of women. ashley graham, hottest thing. >> smoking. >> melissa mccarthy, she absolutely is owning and walking the walk and talking the talk delivering goods into the marketplace. we just -- i think we just need to possibly take the categorization out of the
conversation at the same time healing what might be rubbing us the wrong way with -- >> i wish we had amy sitting here. trust me we've reached out multiple times. i would love to have you on amy schumer, come on any time. >> thank you so much. great conversation. >> important one to have. by the way, cnn is heading back to the '80s. we're going there. this time around we are rocking with the music icon. ♪ girls girls girls >> motley crue baby going on one one with the one and only nicky sixx. don't move a muscle. dexter: there's real chunks of vegetables and chicken in it. raul: d, if the food is in the fridge, you know it has to be fresh. patrick: he's a happy guy when he has his freshpet. when a moment turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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of the most memorable tunes from that era and motley crue was absolutely one of those bands. the co-founder tommy lee and mick mars. and nikki has a new troupe called 6 a.m. a new single called "rise." here it is. ♪ ♪ >> 6 a.m. has a new album coming out. the tour taking off later this month. nikki six is with me. awesome having you on. how are you? >> how are you doing? what's going on? >> i'm excellent. i'm sort of a music lover. i think of motley crue and poison and other bands and i think of hair. what's the one fab from the '80s that you wish was still alive and well? >> well, i came up in the late
'70s playing in punk bands. and the concept with motley crue was left over from the punk era and the look was really to not really draw you in but to push you away. it was a bit of a punk rock attitude, see how ridiculous you could be. at the same time, at the core of everything for me as a songwriter is two-pronged. one is to entertain you but the other is to make you think. i think that's what separated us from the other bands was that it was about the lyrics. underneath the belly of "girls, girls, girls" there's a dark tale. >> i wanted to ask you about "kick start my heart." when you od'ed on heroin, you that's what that song was about. >> that's definitely what that song inspired.
in my life i've been lucky to kind of take bad experiences and turn them into a positive. heroin addiction end ed up, you know, rolling out into a book called "the heroin diaries" that helped a lot of people with heroin addiction and is being turned into a broadway play. >> incredible. >> the '80s was an interesting time. there was a lot of money, there was a lot of fun, a lot of stuff going on that we could celebrate. there was also a lot of turmoil in the world. if you think about the berlin wall and when it finally came down in '89, that was people rising up. for me what i'm doing right now with six a.m. is really no different than what's been going on for centuries and centuries, which is eventually people getting fed up and standing up and speaking their mind or doing something. right now in a presidential campaign that is extremely volatile and loud and people like trump, who i disagree with personally, but nonetheless the
point is at least with a song like "rise" we're saying rise up. if you're for someone like that, you think that's a positive thing for our country, then go ahead and vote for him. but if you don't, vote in the opposite direction. so many people are feeling helpless. and they're feeling helpless around heroin epidemics and economic issues and the presidential campaign. i lived through the '80s and i'm here now, it's 2016, and trying to carry that message on. >> we'll have to talk again with the broadway bit, but final question, do you have sort of a favorite '80s memory or anything of that sort? that we can share? on cnn? >> that's shareable? >> i think for me one of the most exciting things was when motley crue got together and we got turned down by every single record company. >> wow. >> in los angeles we were playing 2,000, 3,000-seaters
everywhere. when we first got our first record tedeal and put it out an it started spreading around the country, it connected because it was real. i think anybody out there that has a dream, wants to do anything with their life, whatever it is, if you believe in your yourself, i really believe that you can connect with more than just one person, two people, you can connect with a lot of people. social media is great for that, by the way. i think it's a great thing. just don't think it's for narcissists only. >> preach, nikki sixx, thank you so much. you host a daily radio show. thank you so much. brand new episode airs tomorrow night 9:00 p.m. nikki, thank you. we'll be right back. orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money could multiply. hello, all of you. get organized at voya.com.
>> country singer and two-time grammy winner and let's just call him what he is, a legend, merle haggard, known as country music's outlaw hero died today on his birthday in his northern california home. he was 79 years young. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. "the lead" starts now. thanks, brooke. pull up a chair, grab a traditional slice of new york pizza from sparro's, because this is going to be good. "the lead" starts right now. turning point, a ted cruz win pushes the republican party closer to a convention cage match. but could donald trump's home state end those new york values crush that possibility? >> no sleep till brooklyn. bernie sanders keeps rolling with his seventh win in eight contests, but is clinton's math more powerful than the sanders' mo?