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mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> announcer: "the eighties," two weeks from now at 9:00 on cnn. you just saw the reagan revolution on "the eighties." before the revolution, ronald reagan and gerald ford took their battle all the way to the convention. sound familiar? i'm don lemon. the next battleground, new york, where ted cruz is doubling down on his criticism of new york values. >> they really want to see a general election between two new york liberals who agree on washington being the center of the universe. >> meanwhile the democrats' war words heats up ahead of our big debate in brooklyn one week from tonight. >> are you qualified to be president of the united states when you're raising millions of
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dollars from wall street? >> well, it's kind of a silly thing to say but i'm going to trust the voters of new york who know me and have voted for me three times. >> plus bill clinton takes to the campaign trail and takes on black lives matter. >> they won't hush. when somebody won't hush and listen to you, that ain't democracy. they're afraid of the truth. don't you be afraid of the truth. don't you be afraid of the truth. >> the truth shall make you free. let's begin tonight with fears of what today's party could learn from what happened in 1976. joining me, cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger, jeffrey lord who was at the convention in 1976. we're outing your age, jeffrey. >> oh, man! don't do it! >> and alice stewart, who was ne at the convention in 1976, who
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is communications director for ted cruz. gloria, you just spoke with james baker, former white house chief of staff. he played a key role. tell busus about it. >> he was the chief delegate hunter for gerald ford. you had ronald reagan challenging a sitting president, imagine that, challenging gerald ford and heading into that convention in 1976 it was very close, nobody knew who was really ahead. in the end it only took one ballot but the margin was 117 votes. i asked jim baker sort of if he were running donald trump's delegate hunt right now, what would he be doing? and what would he tell trump to do? take a listen. >> if you were running the trump delegate selection process now,
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what would you be doing? >> well, i think they need to be ramping up a sophisticated delegate selection process. i'm not sure that they've been paying very much attention to their ground game. >> so how do you keep track of it? >> what you have to do -- first of all, you need to know everything there is to know about a potential delegate or a delegate. most important thing to know is what turns them on, what turns them off, what they believe in, what they favor, what they disfavor, who they're sleeping with, the whole smear. you make a point to learn everything you can about each delegate. and then you just massage that delegate, stay in touch with him, you work him, you protect him to keep him from being stolen by the other side. it's a zero sum game and, as people say all the time, it ain't bean bag. >> so donald trump has been
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playing a very sort of wholesale politics so far. this is retail politics at the most base level, and it's very complex and it's very personal and it takes an awful lot of people to do it well and to manage it, don. >> it's interesting when you hear -- i've been hearing all these voices from "the eighties" and then you hear jim baker's voice and it takes you right back to that time. yes, i remember jim baker. the trump campaign thinks the person ahead is the one who should get the nomination. does he think the candidate ahead going into the nconventio should get the nomination? >> no. he doesn't blame trump for saying what he's saying that it would be unfair if he's leading going in if he didn't get it but he's says the rules are the rules. this is not a constitutional convention, don. it's a political convention. his feeling is you got to play
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the game as it's written and you've got to learn to do that and that's how you win. so he says, you know, donald trump, get organized. >> hold your horses, jeffrey, i have one more question for gloria. speaking of this is not a constitutional convention, it's a political convention, did baker tell you how they tried to win over delegates for ford? >> oh, yes, he did. and what he said, and you'll listen in a minute, he said they used the power of the presidency. listen. >> now, you got to be very careful. you can't buy votes. >> reporter: so what can you do? >> there are some things you can do. we took great advantage of it in 1976. the head of the party was the president of the united states. >> reporter: that helps. >> it helps a lot. there was a dinner for the queen of england, okay. so you have -- you get an u.n. committed delegate, invite him to the white house for a state dinner for the queen of england. you don't think you have a good
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chance of getting his vote? you got a pretty good chance of getting his vote. >> reporter: did you? >> we did. i bet i went to more state dinners than anybody in the ford administration with the possible exception of betty and gerald ford. >> maybe you can put them on trumm down to mar-a-lago. you were at the convention, jeffrey. what was it like? >> it was chaotic. ford came in 43 delegates ahead, he won by 11 7. the pennsylvania connection for me, i was there as a young staffer as the pennsylvania republican party and ronald reagan as a last-minute gam theirgambut was to make locwell schweiker a
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his running mate. drew lewis, who would eventually be my later boss, he's famous in history today, he's reagan's secretary of transportation. in the day he was ford's pennsylvania chairman. he held those delegates while his best friend in life said to him over the phone in a heated conversation, "you are keeping me from being president of the united states." it was quite dramatic. drew lewis held, ford won. ronald reagan was so impressed, eventually he convinced drew lewis to come with him four years later and then history flows from there. >> alice, stand by. i'm going to get you in i promise. you know paul manafort. the trump campaign has now hired him. >> he's not my best friend in
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life but i certainly know him. i have a very high opinion of him. he's exactly the kind of person that jim baker is talking about there. he knows the ropes thoroughly, knows exactly what he's doing, he's the exactly the person donald trump or anybody else should be hiring. donald trump has got him. this is a huge plus for the campaign. >> alice, you stood by patiently. does cruz have the battle ready for the convention floor? you have manafort there. does he have the infrastructure to court these delegates? >> sounds like jim baker is giving away some our secrets there. it's a ground game. it's about organization. it's about working with the delegates, getting to know them, following up with them, keeping relationships. it's important to note delegates are people. when they go to the ballot box, it's important to nurture them and persuade them to vote your way but after that, it's a
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matter of containing and maintaining those relationships. what we're hearing also is there are rules to this process. ted cruz will have 1,237 prior to the convention venand if tha not the case, we'll have to fight it out on the convention floor. if a football team carries the ball down the field and gets to the red zone, you don't give them a touchdown. you have to get the majority plus one. it's very simple rules in this process. to get the republican nomination, you have to get majority plus one, in this case, 1,237, whether you get it before the convention or at the convention. we're working hard to acquire delegates. the last four contests we won, did well in utah, as well as north dakota, colorado and this week in wisconsin. so the momentum is in our favor. colorado is amassing more delegates this evening. so we have the momentum in our
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favor and we're encouraged. >> you've got new york, california and you're working hard for both of them. >> thank you all, appreciate it. when we come back, ted cruz tells our dana bash why this made him laugh out loud. plus bill clinton's dust-up with black lives matter. does this help or hurt hillary clinton? >> i don't know how would you characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the streets to murder our african-americans, maybe you thought they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't.
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luz thalg two ess there and until the new york primary. cruz taking heat over his remarks about new york values. the front page of today's "new york daily news" puts it bluntly saying "take the fu train, ted." that's pretty blunt. dana bash sat down with ted cruz for an interview. >> senator, thank you for sitting down with me. i'm sure you've seen this. i'm glad you're laughing. the "new york daily news" gave you some helpful hits, to take
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the f train and the u train. >> very helpful. >> in all seriousness, when you saw this, what did you make of it? >> i laughed out loud. i've never been popular with left-wing journalists or tabloids. and frankly that's not my target audience. the energy and support we're seeing, we just did a wonderful gathering here, and came here and baked some matza and yesterday it's interesting apparently the liberal journalists didn't like me being there but in the bronx yesterday i had the opportunity to sit down with pastors, hispanic pastors, african-american pastors. it was an event hosted by a democratic state senator, senator ruben diaz, we had a wonderful gathering of pastor agreeing we need to stand for
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shared values. i'm much more focused on the citizens. >> the origin, i'm glad you're having fun with it because it is a new york tabloid, is that you several months ago disparaged new york value. i was upstate with you earlier today and i'm well aware in talking to voters there in upstate they got what you were saying, that you're talking about liberals in new york city and that conservatives in upstate new york are quite different. but you understand how a sound bite is played and how your opponent is using it against you here. any regrets in using that terminology now that you're asking for new york voters to vote for you? >> not remotely because everybody inside new york and outside of new york knows exactly what i meant by that. it's the liberal values of democratic politicians who have been hammering the people of new york for decades. they've suffered under these liberal values, politicians like governor andrew cuomo, like
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hillary clinton and bill de blas blasio. andrew cuomo said if you believe -- senator diaz said my own governor said there's no place for me as a pastor and someone who believes in life. i mean, that is a liberal intolerance which the people of new york i think are tired of. >> reporter: you talked about the fact that you are coming to talk to me now. we're sitting in a jewish community center, in an ultra orthodox part of new york, you helped make matza. this is not what i expected. do you feel you've been successful as a christian from texas reaching out to the orthodox jews in new york. >> absolutely. i've been privileged to speak the synagogues all over the
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country, and in particular to focus on defending religious liberty, which has been a passion of mine my entire life and focus on standing with israel. >> reporter: coming here in new york, given that you're campaigning in the new york republican primary, is this how you plan to get delegates here? >> we are building a big tent and we're unifying republicans. you know, nationwide there are about 65% to 70% of republicans who get that donald trump is not the best candidate to go up against hillary clinton, that he loses and loses badly to hillary. what we're seeing happening all over the country is those 65% to 70% of republicans are uniting behind this campaign. we saw it powerfully in wisconsin just a couple of days ago. >> reporter: no question you did very well in wisconsin and you should be commended for that victory. >> thank you. >> reporter: but do you concede at this point your only realistic way is to get the
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nomination at the convention? >> not remotely. we have a clear path forward to get to 1,237 delegates. it's difficult. we've got to win and win consistently but i'll point out in the last three weeks, we've won in four states in a row. we won a landslide in utah, nearly 70% of the votes, we got all of the delegates. >> now you're here in new york and you're in third place, even behind john kasich. you have delaware coming and you're behind in the polls. you need 88% of the delegates to win. >> let's see what the voters say. i think the people of new york, particularly upstate, have an awful lot in common with the people of wisconsin, very similar. what we're seeing across the country and i hope we'll see in new york is republicans will unite. >> reporter: how activity are you working to convince? it's a good operation, you understand how the game is played. how hard are you working to convince trump delegates to come your way on any second ballot should it come to that. >> we are working to earn every
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vote we can. we're competing in all 50 states, we're competing to win a primary, to earn a caucus. we're bringing together everyone who doesn't want to see donald trump as the nominee and doesn't want to hand the general election to hillary clinton gift wrapped. >> reporter: what about those who do want to see trump as the nominee? >> you no, it's interesting, donald has a floor, 20, 25% -- he may be right that he could go out on fifth avenue and shoot someone and that floor with stay there. but he also has a ceiling of 30, 35%. >> reporter: i'm talking about looking forward to the convention, if there is a contested convention, the delegates are bound to whom they are supporting initially and after that on a second ballot, many of them are not bound. how hard are you working to woo the trump delegates for the
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second ballot? >> we're doing anything we can. >> reporter: one this evening that would help you is if you had more support from your own senate republican colleagues. you have two endorsements. but given how much momentum you say you got out of wisconsin, how much your colleagues really don't like donald trump, why don't you have more support from republican senators? >> i recognize folks in the immediate focus on washington -- >> reporter: it's not just washington. it's the convention. >> my focus is on beating hillary clinton and poll after poll after poll shows donnald losing badly to hillary clinton. >> reporter: but to get the chance to beat hillary clinton is you have to be the nominee. one of the things my colleague has heard is they probably would think about backing you and telling all of their grass roots
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activists to back you if you would apologize for saying that your republican leader, mitch mcconnell, was a liar. will you apologize? >> this is why people are so frustrated with washington. it's the inside battles back and forth. this isn't a game, this isn't about washington power brokers, this isn't a smoke-filled room. if we want to turn the country around, let me tell how should apologize. barack obama and hillary clinton -- >> reporter: you called mitch mcconnell a liar, not them. >> they should apologize to the american people for seven years of economic stagnation, people seeing jobs going overseas and wages stuucks -- >> reporter: so no apology to mitch mcconnell? >> my folks is not on washington, that ain't going to happen. if the washington lobbyists want to see that happen, they can hold their breath a longer long time. my focus is on the american
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people, unite being republicans behind shared values and a shared vision. now, i will tell you this, i am happy to praise mitch mcconnell for his stand along with truck grassl -- chuck grassley saying we are not going to hold hearings for a replacement for justice scalia. they're doing the right thing in saying that justice scalia's replacement should be made by the next president so the american people have an opportunity to vote and express their views. >> reporter: we're almost out of time. just one quick moment that really struck me and a lot of people. at your victory rally in wisconsin, a lot of your supporters were chanting for your wife, heidi. and she came up on the stage and you had a couple of e brambrace. there seemed to be a lot of layers of emotion there. what was going through your mind at the moment? >> this has been an amazing
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couple of weeks in politics. i never envisioned that my opponent would attack my wife, that he would go after my wife and my family and heidi is a rock. i mean, she is strong and she's come through this unwavering, but when i recognized heidi in our victory speech, the supporters there began chanting "heidi" and it was a powerful moment just to see so many people embracing her and saying thank you, thank you for putting yourself through this garbage, for enduring the garbage that my opponent has heaped upon her and it made me want to say thank you also. and it made me think, and this is something i think a lot about, about the example that heidi gives to our girls. katherine and caroline, they're
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5 and 7. they're seeing their mommy being attacked by a bully and lied about but they see her mommy stand up and she smiles and see isn't scared and intimidated and they see people rallying around their mommy. i hope that becomes an example to little girls across the country that there's nothing that a strong woman cannot do. i've said many times heidi's my best friend and she is. >> reporter: senator, thank you. appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> dana bash is here with me now. we have the honor. so he's getting hammered about these new york value comments. but you weren't with him just in the city. people think of new york as just new york city. it's not. does it play the same outside of the city? >> not at all. his defense sort of falls on deaf ears here in new york city and down state new york as they call it upstate. but up there i was with him outside of albany. he had a pretty large rally, a lot of people came.
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the line was kind of snaked outside this big high school gym and i asked so many people whether or not they were offended by the new york values slur and really almost to a person they said, no, i get it, we're upstaters. we don't have the same values as the people in new york city. so that's the kind of consistency he's trying to appeal to anyway. i don't think he expects to get a lot of votes here in manhattan. he's not out glad handing in the columbus circle. it's not his scene. >> people in new york see new york city and then the rest of it. >> you're a new yorker. you know how it goes. >> and then the rest of the country. thank you. always a pleasure, dana bash. >> thank you. >> up next, frank bruni weighs and in donald trump picks up support from a big name. and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit
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at stake in new york. i'm sure you heard dana bash's interview with ted cruz talking about new york values. what do you think he meant by that comment? >> you know exactly what he meant. he meant liberal values, the values of sophisticates and elites. >> some said it was about media and money and he was saying something about jewish media. do you agree with that? >> i don't know if i would go that far. what i found interesting about the interview you just played, after defending his comment about new york values, he went on and on about what a uniter he was going to be. i don't think when he said new york values -- >> did he not think he was going to run in new york city when he said that? new york is more than new york city. >> people in the moment say things that don't look far down
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the road. >> today the former mayor of new york city, speaking of new york values, announced he'd be voting for trump. he said, "it's new york city. we're family. i can make fun of new york. but you can't!" even if trump wins here in new york, he needs to win 59% of the remaining delegates. do you have think he'll do it? >> i don't see him getting there. i don't think he's going to have a majority of the delegates by the time he gets to the convention. i think we're looking at a contested convention. >> what do you think of the endorsement, it's not a full-throated endorsement, yeah, i'm going to vote for him, from rudy giuliani? >> i think giuliani, like a lot of people, can't bring themselves to vote for ted cruz but there's a way in which john kasich feels a little bit irrelevant. >> i liked your article. i'm sure you were watching
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donald trump when he said when i become the nominee, i'm going to be so boring -- >> that's not in his personal. >> you said those stunts will continue because trump is an attention junkie who has become accustomed to the highest doses imaginable of his beloved drug. he'll say what he must and do what it takes for his fix. why do you think america is so fascinated by this trump show? i hear it all the time and i'm sure you do, too. why do you guys show him so much? you're kind of demanding it. >> america has some responsibility here. if you write about trump, people have learned people click on it. if you show trump on tv, people tune in. to a certain extent, the media is giving people exactly what they're telling the media it wants. since this is a political campaign and he's the front-runner, there's cause to give him a lot of coverage because we're scrutinizing him. yes, he has gotten blanket
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coverage at times. it's almost all been negative coverage. if that is the explanation for why he does so well in polls and primaries, we have to ask questions about american voters. >> you mentioned that. you said that the coverage is mostly negative of the mexican rapist, muslim ban, blood coming out of wherever, the mocking of john mccain. you were going on and on and on, talking about the size of his hands, the ku klux klan, shrugging it off. >> that's the timeline of trump coverage. if you literally wrote out a timeline of the different donald trump stories and which replaced the one before it, they would almost all be controversies and negative stories. if that is the explanation for why he's doing so well, is that the media's fault or is the electorate behaving in a way they have to take responsibility? >> it didn't happen in a vacuum as you say. you heard bernie sanders say
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yesterday hillary clinton is not qualified to be president. today he clarified his statement. >> do you think secretary clinton is qualified to be president? >> does secretary believe i'm qualified to be president? >> why can't you just say yes? she has some of the first-rate resumé and she's one of the most qualified people who run. >> she has years of experience and she's extremely intelligence. >> do you think he went too far? >> he did go too far. you can fault hillary clinton for a lot things. he could have pointed to all the private corporation donations and called her corrupt and pointed to trade deals and iraq war and called her a person of bad judgment. but to say she's not qualified does not sit with her resumé or people's receptions of her. >> did she come off better than him? she said i would rather take bernie sanders over any of the
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other two. >> i think it's funny. he won wisconsin by a lot this week, but i think at this moment in time, it feels like she's having the better week because he got so defensive about that daily news interview that he said the qualified thing and i think it was one of the most poorly chosen adjectives in the cycle. frank bruni, book is "donald trump won't leave us alone." i think everyone should read it. >> and next week we have the democratic convention one week from now. and bill clinton, why he clashed with black lives matter. will it help or hurt hillary clinton? >> hillary didn't vote for that bill because she wasn't in the senate. she was spending her time trying to get health care for poor kids. who were they? and their lives mattered.
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black lives matter protesters who interrupted his speech. joining me no bakari sellers and mark lamont hill, cnn political commentator. here we go, let's talk. bakari, you first. the former president sparred today with the protesters over the 1994 crime bill and defended his wife use of the word "super predator." take a look. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out into the street to murder other african-american children, maybe you thought they were good citizens, she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. tell the truth. you are defending the people who caused young people to go out and take guns. there was a 13-year-old girl in washington, d.c. who was
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planning her own -- how would you do it? now look at these other ones. look at this. that's not true. >> wow. bakari, that was quite a sight to see a former president mixing it up with protesters like that. what did you think? >> i don't think there's any defense for the usage of the term super predator. i think hillary clinton apologized and said she used it once and moved forward. you saw bill clinton attempt to provide some historical context for the '94 crime bill and it was inartful. when the 94 crime bill was passed, it had support of over half the black caucus. the question is how do we deal with that issue today and how do we deal with it now? >> mark, i think it's important to actually hear what hillary clinton said back then.
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so let's watch. >> we also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. we need to take these people on. they are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. they are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators, no conscience, no empathy. we can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel. >> you take great issue, why? >> it's dehumanizing, almost like dogs, bring them to heel, that we didn't have the ability to respond to people's suffering. we all need context but no context defends the passage of the crime bill. it want that they were cherry
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picking a few recalcitrant people. >> i asked her about it in the last debate, i asked her about her use of the term super predator. listen. >> secretary clinton, in 1996 you used the term super predators to describe some young kids. some feel like it was racial code. was it? and were you wrong to use that term? >> well, i was speaking about drug cartels and criminal activity that was very concerning to folks across the country. i think it was a poor choice of words. i never used it before, i haven't used it since, i would not use it again. >> but that's not the point. it wasn't just that she used inartful language. it's not just that she used the wrong term for the right idea, the science on it is wrong, the policy redipredictions were wro.
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>> listen, i understand what you're saying, but how much longer does she have to keep answering? she's answered it before, she said it was wrong, she's moved on. she's proposing legislation to, you know, for prison to -- to stop the pipeline to prison. so how many times does she have to keep saying i'm sorry, it was wrong? >> that's my point to this discussion today. we have to figure out how to untangle these complexities of mass incarceration today and who is best suited for that. we were talking about crack and cocaine disparities, about building on the president's clemency project where this president himself has granted clemency to more individuals than the six presidents prior to that. we're talking about continuing that. we're talking about hillary clinton who has come out and put forth the proposals to deal with these issues today. we can keep reliving the cultural wars of 1994 -- >> that ain't what just
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happened, bro. bill clinton could have said the same thing that hillary clinton said. it's not as if the opponents of hillary clinton are relitigating that. bill clinton did what a lot of people do, i'm sorry about the language but i'm not sorry. it's classic boyfriend language, i'm sorry but i'm not sorry. >> again, he's also giving context and hindsight is 20/20. we've been saying there were lots of people -- i mean, 22 members of the congressional black caucus signed on it. it wasn't just bill clinton. >> and the congressional black caucus was irresponsible, the congressional black caulk us was unethical and immoral on this issue and they were dead wrong. the fact that 22 other people did it doesn't make it right. what kd of excuse is that? >> no, it's not to say it was right. >> bill clinton said today we
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knew it was bad stuff but we had to get this bad stuff but we knew it wouldn't pass and republicans wouldn't have approved it unless they got tough. >> marc, now we have to deal to untangle the mass incarceration is at the local and state level. we have 2.2 million people in this country that are in prisons and only 10% of those people are in federal prisons. the majority are in state prisons, which the president for all practical intents and purposes can't do much about. we need to make sure we're building a department of of juse so that the three of you was debating this today aren't in prison for crimes they shouldn't be. >> coming up, the clintons have a great track record with black voters but who is the best candidate for black voters today? we'll talk about that.
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bill clinton engaging with protesters. >> i talked with a lot of foreign policy groups. they thought black lives mattered. they said take this bill because our kids are being shot in the streets by gangs. because of that bill we had a 25-year low in crime, a 33 year low in the murder rate. and because of that and the background check law, we had a 46-year low in the deaths of people by gun violence and who do you think those lives were that mattered? whose lives were saved that mattered? hillary didn't vote for that bill because she wasn't in the senate. she was spending her time trying to get health care for poor kids. who were they? and their lives mattered. >> so, marc, did bill clinton have a point, no how unpopular it may be that some gang leaders were send being kids on the street that were killing kids, that it did save some lives?
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>> you can cherry pick anecdotes and it doesn't make it data. as a social scientist, the data doesn't bear it out. there's no evidence to suggest that crime bill was the causal factor that made crime go down. at the time that it happens, when hillary clinton and bill clinton are talking about this super predator idea, there was a prediction that juvenile crime was going to go up. it was actually going down at the time. the other piece of this is that lead point, the other things causing the super predator identity was being stripped away. all the data right now suggests they were 100% wrong. lastly, you can't say hillary clinton wasn't in the senate, she's didn't support this bill so she's not responsible. when hillary clinton ran for the senate, right, she said that i was not just the first lady. it's sexist to suggest i was his first lady. >> but she does own. >> but bill didn't just own it. >> bakari, i'm going to let you respond. let's play from the debate when
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i asked her about the crime bill and i'll get your response. >> as a black man in america, if i was born today, i'd have a one in three chance of ending up in prison in my life. secretary clinton on the campaign trail you're calling for ar end to the era of mass incarceration, but a lot of people in america blame the crime bill, a bill you supported, for locking up a generation of black men. given the history in 1994, why should we trust you at this time. >> senator sanders voted for that bill, we supported it because there was an outcry over the rising crime rate and people from all communities were asking that action be taken. my husband said at the naacp last summer that it solved problems but it created other problems and i agree. and one of those problems was
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unfortunately a move to expand the reasons why people would be incarcerated. not just at the federal level, which was what this bill was about, but in states and localities as well. that's why the very first speech that i gave in this campaign was about criminal justice reform and ending the era of mass incarceration because i believe absolutely that too many families were broken up, too many communities were adversely affected. >> so bakari, she said even the former president admits the bill of mass incarceration was worst so is secretary clinton the best candidate for black voters now? >> i think she highlighted the simple fact that not only did she support it and president clinton supported it but bernie sanders voted for it. the fact of the matter is that bernie sanders did support that bill. and then you look at the record. you look at where we are today, you look at the fact in vermont
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african-americans are ten times more likely to be incarcerated than white people from vermont. when you look at hillary clinton's record, since this 1994 crime bill, whether or not it's in the united states senate where she worked to remedy the disparities between crack and cocaine, you look at where rewe are today, how do we remedy this today and make sure the department of justice is making sure where the majority of african-americans are incarcerated for lower level offenses and they're not. if you do not know the name of who your local prosecutor, solicitor or district attorney is, that's where we need to start. >> i've got to go. we'll be right back. ssist syste. it recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing:
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i'll see you tomorrow night. "ac360" starts right now. good evening. john berman in for anderson. and here is new york where campaigns come to get nasty. philadelphia, too, where bill clinton today confronted protesters from black lives matter defending his wife almost lecturing them for criticizing her use 20 years ago of a word used back then to describe young violent criminals.


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