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that is it for us today. for international viewers, amanpour is next. for viewers in north america, newsroom with pamela brown. she's in for brooke baldwin. that starts right now. thanks for joining us. hello, i'm pamela brown in new york. brooke baldwin is out today. we begin with the accusations flying in the race for the white house. is the colorado convention a preview of what's to come when the republican national convention meets in july? ted cruz wins in what's being called a voterless victory. and donald trump crying foul. trump broke several days of media silence to protest. after cruz won 34 delegates in colorado's republican convention over the weekend. but there is no primary, no caucus. instead, convention goers pick delegates. some were hindered by misspellings and misnumbered
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paperwork that show trump's ground game may need some work. but trump insisted the delegate system is the problem. >> colorado, where they frankly just get all of these delegates and it's not a system. there was no voting. i didn't go out there to make a speech or anything. there's no voting. i heard him say, well, that's the way it is. well, this shouldn't be the way it is. this whas changed in the summer to help a guy like cruz. south carolina, i won it like a landslide. now they're trying to pick off those delegates one by one. that's not the way democracy is supposed to work. now, i'm an outsider. and i came into the system. i'm winning the voes by millions of votes. but the system is rigged, it's crooked. >> so cruz's camp in response said he won fairly through a, quote, superior organization. i'm going to turn now to ari armstrong, a political writer and blogger and a colorado republican. ari, you attended saturday's convention. you're against trump's nomination. when you were there, tell us
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what you witnessed in terms of how organized the campaigns were, you know, trump versus cruz. >> ted cruz appeared so obviously that made a difference. donald trump unfortunately is simply misinformed. something you remarked was reflect some of that distortion. i went to my local precinct. which was open to all colorado republicans who have been registered for at least a month. then people were elected as delegates to the state and congressional conventions. and there's where we selected the national delegates. i was actually an alternate to the state convention. i got to observe the entire process. i myself did not get to vote on the national delegates. >> but some would look at this process and you actually even said in your article that this process adds an extra layer of representati representation. but with that extra layer, take away the voter's voice more as trump is contending here?
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you know, he's basically saying this is not a democratic process. >> well, look, representative politics is hardly a new fangled idea in america. that's the basis of american government, right? but the fact is, here's the essential point. this year, colorado republicans selected national delegates exactly the same way as they have in previous years. through the caucus process. now, there was one change. but it did not effect the selection of national delegates. the change is this. we used to have a nonbinding straw poll. it was basically a proof reefer poll. that was dropped due to the conflicts with the new national rules conflicting with the state rules. basically the national party said, you can't have a nonbinding preference poll. so the state party said, well, we're not going to have a poll at all. again this doesn't affect at all how the national delegates are selected. and, you know, i'm a new republican. i just registered late last year because i wanted to get involved in this process so these decisions about the poll were
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made before i was even in the party, right, but the fact is that the caucus system is about voting. it's about voting for delegates though. so it's not directly voting which candidate you want, it's what delegate do you want. in my precinct caucus, anybody can run for delegate, you just have to go to a meeting and stand up and say i want to run for delegate. the woman who was a delegate said, look, here's my platform, i don't support trump, and she was elected on that basis. the fact is, trump did poorly in colorado because trump isn't that popular here. and, in fact, one of my friends is a huge cruz supporter. his complaint about not having a binding poll is he thought that having a binding poll would have been the strongest way for colorado to send an anti-trump message because he was confident colorado would have voted against trump. i haven't seen good polling data on that so i wouldn't swear one
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way or another. think that's probably true. >> -- the primary would have worked in their favor more. so let me ask you, because you're saying basically look we do have a voice, we pick the delegates that then went to the state convention. but how can these voters really make an informed decision after all these people get up and give their, you know, ten-second speeches to push their candidate? >> well, there's 10 second speeches but there's also a -- people have a long time to figure out who these people are, o they want to vote for. so donald trump had a slate of candidates. he said, look, if you support me, vote for these national delegates. cruz did the same thing. and so it's not like this was a complete mystery, right. believe me, i went to the state convention. i got up at 5:00 in the morning, i didn't get home until 10:00 at night because i had to drive to colorado springs. there was a lot of discussion off the floor. just people chattering about what's going on. these were votes made with due
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reflection. and i believe they do reflect generally the sentiments of most colorado republicans. you know, donald trump can complain about the system but you notice that donald trump complains about the rules whenever he loses and whenever he wins the rules are perfectly fine. so for example, when he takes all the delegates from a state with 40% of the vote, that's not representative, right? he gets 40% of the vote and all the delegates but -- >> all right, ari armstrong -- >> -- doesn't complain about that -- it's only when he loses -- >> thanks for coming on and sharing your opinion, we appreciate it. moving along, donald trump's convention manager also outraged by the sweep in colorado. comparing cruz's tactics to the nazi secret police. >> is threats a fair game? >> it's not my style, it's not donald trump's style, but it is ted cruz's style and that's going to wear thin very fast. >> you think he's threatening delg delegates? >> you see the gestapo
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tactics -- >> gestapo tactics, that's a strong word. >> we're going to be filing protests because the reality is they're not playing by the rules. >> so with me now, the co-author of the book "why you're wrong about the right." cnn commentator s.e.cupp. thank you both for coming on. ed, first to you, for so long, donald trump has praised himself for not doing politics the traditional way. now it seems he's being outfoxed by cruz on those traditional practices. do you think that his unconventional style is coming back to bite him? >> absolutely. i think there's evidence of that all over the country. we saw it again over the weekend in colorado where he was, indeed, outfoxed. it happened to some extent in south carolina as well. and in iowa. places where he could have very well had people who support him win delegate slots but didn't. he had a better saturday afternoon in alabama. he pulled off some tricks in michigan that are going to make it easier for his voice to be
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heard from the delegates there. and the process is beginning in nevada and they had a good week getting him started out there. there are examples of his team not understanding the complex rules. there are 56 states and territories that vote. in the republican race for president. all of them have different rules of doing this. it requires understanding all of that. so far, the trump campaign is struggling to do that. >> it takes an understanding of when to register to vote. trump acknowledged today his children missed the deadline to register and they won't be able to vote for their father in the upcoming new york primary in eight days. what does that say about the trump campaign's organization? i mean, ivanka, correct me if i'm wrong, was even featured in videos on how to register to vote. >> i won't get into his kids, but it's very clear that donald trump and his team didn't really either understand or anticipate
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the delegate process, the fights for delegates being important for this season. it's important most election cycles. but donald trump seems to have kind of like a middle school civics class understanding of how we elect a president. it's not just a, you know, popularity contest, much as he wishes it were. it's also i think worth pointing out that for all of his complaints, he's actually winning more delegates percentagewise than he is actual votes. the delegate system is benefiting donald trump tremendously. i think that complaining about the loss in colorado is tactically dumb. it just points out the loss. and politically dumb. it just has people looking sort of at the failure of your organization. these are not things that are sort of thrown together at the last minute. donald trump and his team should have been preparing for these delegate fights for months and months and months. and it seems to be something they're trying to do now at the last minute.
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>> "the washington post" did a deep dive on trump's charitable giving and it found he doesn't give his own cash. tell us about the reporting here. >> well, that's by my colleagues and what they discovered essentially is a list that had been provided by the campaign of alleged charitable donations were mostly in kind donations. either free rounds of golf at his golf courses, flights on his plane, or some other donation that didn't result in cash being given out. a list originally obtained by the associated press that we got our hands on and the trump campaign you know didn't respond to all of our questions but has to beiacknowledge that in most these cases he wasn't actually giving out money. there was concerns about the fund-raiser he held in iowa. most of the money raised that night has not been give be out yet to veterans organizations. there are questions about whether or not the candidate is following through on his deeds with some of the things he's been saying. >> interesting.
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there are people with the trump foundation who are saying he actually has given cash donations but we don't put that out there because we don't want to cause a feeding frenzy essentially. s.e., before that complaint about the delegate system that we've been hearing from donald trump that the system is rigged, he'd been uncharacteristically low key. he didn't do any sunday morning talk shows. the first time in several months. what do you make of that? >> look, the trump campaign had a couple of really bad weeks, i mean, bad even for trump, you know, finally weeks where you think -- they were facing some consequences of their actions and those actions included the heidi cruz retweet that was really unseemly and he admitted was a mistake. rolling out some policy proposals that have been openly mocked. and making some pretty bad decisions on the campaign trail. i think that -- seeing results of that, especially in wisconsin, i think may be, you know, prompted trump and the
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campaign to go dark for just a bit. retool, look at the organization, ask some hard questions, maybe lay off the retweeting late at night. and start to take this race more seriously. he is the front-runner, but he hasn't really been act like it. i don't think he's been acting as serious a candidate as he should be. and maybe they're starting to take that role and the mantel of front-runner more seriously now. >> thank you very much. beginning tonight, a unique event on cnn. town halls with all three republican candidates, their wives and children. john kasich tonight, donald trump tomorrow, ted cruz wednesday. all starting at 9:00 eastern. only on cnn. up next, vice president biden perhaps letting it slip who he'd vote for. this as bill clinton responds to the backlash over his heated clash with black lives matter protesters. plus, breaking developments in the capture of the self-proclaimed man in the hat terrorist. he's apparently singing like a
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with just eight days until new york voters go to the polls, the democratic race for president is now an all-out blitz for votes. both hillary clinton and sanders holding dueling campaign events at this hour in the empire state. now vice president joe biden is weighing in on the race and giving his thoughts on electing a woman president. >> senator bernie sanders actually just said that hillary clinton isn't qualified to be president. >> that's totally different -- >> some are saying that's a sexist remark. >> look, they're both totally qualified to be president. they both get into campaigns. it's like her saying he's dead wrong on an issue. you cannot -- you cannot argue that if he said she's not qualified because she's a woman, she's not qualified because -- >> well do you think she's held to a higher standard because she is a woman? >> no, i don't think she's held
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to a higher standard. there's no problem. we're going to be able to elect a woman in this country. >> would you like to see us elect a woman? >> i would like to see us elect a woman -- no, that's all right. i'm not getting into -- >> i'd like to ask one more question -- >> the president and i are not going to endorse because we both when we ran said let party decide. but gosh, almighty, they're both qualified. hillary's overwhelmingly qualified to be president. >> cnn senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny joins us now from port washington, new york, where hillary clinton is holding a campaign event. >> clinton is holding an event behind me. it's an event on gun violence. so very emotional discussion. i'm going to keep my voice down if i can here. but really the debate between sanders and clinton is all leading towards that big debate on thursday here on cnn where they are already showing their differences on everything from
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immigration to gun violence to wall street reform to even fracing. bernie sanders is out with a new ad today in new york raising questions about the contributions secretary clinton has gotten. it's getting so tense between these two candidates. secretary clinton talked about this just a short time ago at a diner in queens. >> i think it will be lively and i have noticed that under the bright spotlight and scrutiny in new york, senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. he's had trouble answering questions about his core issue, namely, dealing with the banks. he's had trouble answering foreign policy questions. and so i look forward to a debate that is in new york with people asking the kind of questions that new yorkers ask. >> so, pamela, it's clear that secretary clinton started the day wanting to talk about donald trump. she's up with a new ad really going after donald trump. the point of this is she's trying to show democrats she is the strongest candidate to go against him, should he win the
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republican nomination. but she was ending the day spending more type focusing on bernie sanders than donald trump, pamela. >> all right, what does that say. jeff zeleny, thank you. hillary clinton and bernie sanders will meet on stage of course on cnn this thursday night. just days before the new york primary. the debate will be anchored by wolf blitzer along with errol lewis right here on cnn. up next, was it road rage or something more? former nfl star shot and killed after a fender bender in new orleans. it's the unusual connection to the gunman that's raising questions about a possible motive in this case. we'll have an update. plus, a chilling confession. sources tell cnn that captured suspects of the belgian terror attacks is now talking to investigators revealing which major teevent his terrorist cel planned to target next. [beekeeper] from bees to business expenses,
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new orleans police say the cold-blooded murder of a beloved former nfl star may be connected to a wrongful death lawsuit a decade ago. former new orleans saints captain will smith was gunned down following a fender bender. authorities say cardle hayes rear ended smith's car and the two got into a verbal altercation and then hayes shot him to death. he is now charged with second degree murder. smith's wife was in the car as well, she was shot in the leg and is still recovering in the hospital. hayes attorney says despite reports, his client was not the aggressor. >> i can tell you that my client was not the aggressor in terms
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of the behavior that happened after the accident. not only did my client call 911, but my client secured a witness who was about to leave the scene and my client waited for law enforcement to arrive. now, tell me if that's the behavior that's consistent with someone who's an animal out here looking for blood. >> and in an unexpected twist here, before that shooting, smith was having dinner with new orleans officer billy saravelo who hayes had sued in 2006 in connection with his father's death. now police are investigating that as a possible motive. joining me now is jonathan bullington, a new orleans reporter with mila.com and the times picayune. what are we learning about the shooting? >> there's not much new to report at present. it's still believed that this was nothing more than a strange coincidence. the police department and hayes
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attorney said that they don't believe that hayes and smith knew each other or that certainly hayes set out to target smith at the time so we're obviously still following it but right now there's nothing new to report on that. >> hayes attorney, we just heard there, say his client was not the aggressioaggressor. are there any new details that support that claim? >> no, we asked about it this morning. certainly if all mr. fuller said is true, then they would be some kind of 911 calls to support that. the police department hasn't released any of that information yet to us. my guess is they're still trying to piece it together themselves, kind of backtrack and see if there are any available witnesses or anything that can support this claim that it was a hit and run prior to the shooting. >> and of course one of the witnesses here was smith's wife
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who was still in the hospital. have you received any word about how she's doing and what she saw? >> no, i know the police chief and the mayor went and visited -- went and visited her earlier today. i'm not of the impression that she won't recover from her wounds but of course there's the emotional scars over what she witnessed. >> absolutely. this officer, saravelo what more can you tell us about why he was having dinner with smith that night, any other details from their night together? >> yes, well, they've been -- i understand they've been friends for quite some time and that saravelo and he were having dinner and they contacted smith
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and said they were having dinner. again, they're all longtime friends so smith and his wife came over, by all accounts, it was, you know, a nice night with friends, and they had decided they were all going to continue the party so to speak before all this happened. >> it's just awful. if there's not a possible link, just a bizarre consequence there. jonathan bullington, thank you very much for that. up next, his brother, an immigrant, murdered in a hate crime by a gang of white teens targeting hispanics. and now he's speaking out against donald trump because the front runner is coming to the very street of the crime scene. he joins me live with his message for trump. plus, the isis cell suspected in the brussels and paris terror attacks was planning to attack one of the world's biggest sporting events. how do authorities know this? because the self-proclaimed man in the hat is spilling secrets behind bars.
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sport. looking for mexicans at night and beating them up and the next morning they would get together and talk about how many beaners, mexicans, they had beaten up. one night on this spot they kill ed his brother. to invite donald trump to speak but' few hundred yards from this spot where his brother was killed as a result of a hate crime is an outrage for the immigrant community. this is sacred ground for the immigrant community that has suffered so much at the hands of those who have hatred in their hearts against the immigrant community and for donald trump to come and speak here is sacrilegio sacrilegious. it is akin to inviting osama bin
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laden to speak at ground zero. we will not stand for it and we ask that this event be canceled because it doesn't belong here. it desecrates the memory of marcell dosero. his brother died here because of hate speech. and now donald trump wants to continue that type of hate speech at the national level. we know what happens when that kind of speech takes place in a place like this. >> and joining me now is the victim's brother. thank you very much for being here. we heard there from reverend ramirez, but what is your message for donald trump? why is it so important for you that this event is cancelled? >> first of all, thank you for inviting me. one of the things i want to make sure, you know, the people, the
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hispanic community, especially my family, community in general, don't be affected or -- for the terrible message mr. donald trump has. you know, he's spreading so many against the minorities, against the women, immigrants in general, to have him here inviting a fund-raiser which is outrageous for me. you know, for the last seven years, my family and my community were trying to recuperate what happened to my brother. it's a flash back, you know. all this week, i feel like if we go back to zero again, to have mr. donald trump. >> so do you have any idea why the gop picked that dance hall for this event?
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do you think they had this in mind, that it was so close to the crime scene of where your brother was killed? >> you know, in my personal opinion, i believe so. they have this in mind. i don't know why they are thinking about this because you know this place should be a holy place which my community had to be working so hard. as a human being, you know, it has to be a limit, you know, and this limit is don't -- he should not be. >> do you think this venue was selected on purpose? have you reached out and received a response from the county gop party about changing the venue? >> i don't have any communication with them. absolute nothing. i don't have any phone call from them. besides that, i'm not talking
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about who i am against. i'm not against any republican or -- i'm against what the people that represent -- that represent the groups. you know, and this moment, mr. donald trump is spreading hate wars, hate speech all over the country, and national, local level. but we have this -- we have this for, you know, eight years ago when he was represented as an executive in long island, he spread his hate against immigrants. consequence of that, it was my brother's death and my community's fear. >> all right. well, as far as we know, though, that event will continue to move forward, unless we hear otherwise. thank you very much for coming on and sharing your thoughts. >> thank you so much. and remember something, you know
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my community suffers so much, my mother died as a consequence of this, because my mother was -- when my brother was killed a year later, she suffered so much depression, it ended up, you know, life. so i don't want somebody else to go through with the same issues, the same pain i'm going through. thank you. >> i'm sorry to hear that, lucero, thank you. up next, right here in the newsroom, the so-called man in the hat, brussels bombing suspect, is in custody and apparently spilling lots of details about other plots they have in mind. so is it a risk in revealing those confessions to the public. former chair of the house intelligence committee joins me next. also, donald trump calling the colorado convention rigged and crooked. one of his supporters in colorado is taking a step further, turning his republican party registration into a pile of ashes. try not to take things personally.
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and we are back with our breaking news. a shocking revelation from the man accused of not one but two of europe's deadly terror
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attacks. the man in the so-called hat singing like a bird apparently. the terrorists who carried out the attacks were initially plotting to hit france again. sources are telling cnn that the upcoming euro 2016 soccer championship were among the targets. as this isis cell watched how quickly the investigation into last year's attacks in paris was moving, they switched gears and put brussels in the cross hairs instead. joining me now, mike rogers, cnn national security commentator and former republican house intelligence chairman. so it's my first question, you look at all this information belgian prosecutors are releasing about what he confessed to them. how could that information impact other people and their networks? the same happened with salah abdeslam, they released him from his confession and a few days later, we saw the attack. >> there's some speculation, i think it's good speculation, of the first release from the confession. some say was that a signal to go ahead with the event.
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i think it ramped up the pressure to do something. i think the terrorists who conducted the attacks believed at one point they might be getting on to us, we're not sure is let's juvenile ramp up one of the other operations we had preplanned. some of these had preplanned but never been executed. so that's what you see. i'm a little surprised that the brussels -- as a former fbi agent, the brussels prosecutors are already talking about information he provided. you would hope that that would get into the hands of investigators first. and this notion that he's cooperate, giving details. >> the u.s. has done pretty differently. what stuck out to me is the targets they picked out were not in belgium, they were were in france. they thought they could go back to france from belgium. where's the border security in all of this?
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it was designed when they were trying to have a u.s.-type of a system -- >> but in order to have that, you have to check the eu zone border? >> well, exactly, that's the part they missed. especially on the migrant problem, the security, huge numbers of bad people. they came up with these residency stamps that looked identical. you get the right pass board, put a residency stamp in it, and now you can go from greece to turkey to france. you had this good paper and you have in new standard of being able to travel across europe with minimal checking along the way and it was a recipe for disaster. >> right, and i was interviewing someone last week at the terrorist screening center and they said they don't routinely use the data the u.s. shares with them about potential
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terrorists. >> they have been stuck on this hangover on privacy. they based it in the old days -- this is a world war ii hangover for them. that their intelligence services were to protect the state against the citizens. they never made that flip that their intelligence and law enforcement services are now to protect the citizens against external threats. so all of their rules, their regulation and their policy is intelligence services and law enforcement are bad by assumption and let's make it hard for them to do what they need to do and that's what they have to get over. >> you look at the way it's set up now, pre-9/11 in the united states, we had a similar issue. >> yes, sure did. >> 9/11 was our wake-up call. this was a wake-up call for europe. >> we hope. >> yes, we hope. let me just ask you this. abrini, he was involved with the paris attacks based on evidence collected and then he goes on, right under the belgium's nose, and is part of another attack in brussels. how big of an intelligence failure is that? and what does that represent to you in terms of the problem over there? >> it's about sharing.
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so the turks said they provided information on all of -- at least -- >> they said they provided names though. >> well, the name was able to be traced back to the cell, had you had an aggressive law enforcement agency tracking down that lead. you give a name like that to the fbi or the new york police -- >> yep, we have one database. >> you bet, they're going to go down, they're going to work. they're going to put leather on street, as they would say, to run down this lead. they take it that serious. it tells you there's this cultural problem, right, they don't know how to integrate information coming from outside agencies and take that information and turn it into an internal law enforcement lead. that's a huge problem. in brussels, they have something like six different districts, lots of in fighting. all of that spells disaster. >> this goes back to my original point that the u.s. now has this comprehensive terror database that we developed after 9/11. we shared that information with the europeans. >> right. >> so, you know, theoretically, they had checked his name against the comprehensive database here right,s that could
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have flagged him? >> could, it's always a big if, because they're very good at changing identities. >> exactly. >> sur tip lusly staying at places where their may not be -- very good at covering their being t tracks. a good law enforcement agency which take that data and try to isolate the investigation. that's how we would do it certainly here. and that's where they need to be doing it there. the problem is that's not the way they're constructed. again, they have weakened law enforcement capabilities to do these investigations. because they always believed, after world war ii, remember, the stasi was bad, they came after citizens, not bad guys. so well on the side of privacy. the threat is different. the agencies today are very different. they need to make that cultural shift. >> so the cultural shift policy
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changes, you know that kind of thing. mike rogers, thank you so much for breaking this down for us. clinton and sanders holding events in new york just days before they face off on cnn. let's listen in. >> he has been an incredible leader in talking about mass ev levels of welling and income equality all over the world. talking about what happened to all the people who are isolated and alope and don't have the money they need to live with dignity. i applaud the pope for speaking out on those issues.
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what he wants, what he is working on is the concept of how we create a moral economy. that addresses the needs of not just the people on top. let me be very clear. and tell the billionaire class in this country their days when they get it all are going to end. >> the several of that ammunition was thrown out. and gave an opening to the nra which had defended the suit on behalf of the online site. to once again intimidate. say to the judge, this couple
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should have never brought this suit. because we have a law. that gives special immunity to gunmakers and sellers online, offline, anywhere. so impose attorney fees on them for trying to not ask for money. their lawsuit was to get an injunction, which didn't ask for a penny for them. to try to prevent this online seller from continuing to just send whatever was ordered to anybody. and so, instead, the nra got the -- >> there we hear hillary clinton speaking. also bernie sanders, holding a dueling rally. they face off on cnn in the new york debate. more on that just ahead. plus, heroic firefighters going beyond the call of duty to save one of their own. the video is chilling and you won't want to miss it. and donald trump seems to be
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because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. a california woman faces up to nine years in prison after pleading guilty to an arson fire that nearly killed one of fresno's bravest. video of him plunging through a burning roof went viral and a footage also captured the heroic response of his fellow firefighters who went beyond the call of duty. cnn's stephanie elam has more. >> reporter: this dramatic cell phone video captured it all. >> firefighter down! >> reporter: a firefighter's worst nightmare. >> is this the first time you've come back? >> yes, just kind of -- it's a little surreal right now. >> reporter: corey calinik doesn't think of himself as a
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hero. >> i just happened to be at the right spot at the right time. >> reporter: what he and his fellow firefighters did to save the life of the fire captain is nothing short of heroic. watch dern climb on to the roof and then plunge into the smoky structure. [ screaming ] >> all i had on as a tool was a pipe and i just beat the heck out of the garage door. immediately when i started pulling, i looked over and there was four other guys that started pulling. >> reporter: calinic then grabbed a hose and headed inside. >> the only thing i could recognize of him was the silhouette of the bottle that we carry on our back. everything else was just charred and black. >> reporter: it took less than a minute and a half for calinik and four other firefighters to rescue dern. a quick response that was almost not quick enough. dern's mask was seconds from
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failing. >> he would have then inhaled superer heated gases and smoke and that could have singed his lungs. >> reporter: unable to attend a ceremony honoring the men who saved his life, dern's wife kelly read a letter on his behalf. >> you gave my wife back her husband. my daughter back her dad. my mom back her son. and my sister's back her brother. >> that's even hard to hear too because i don't want my wife going through that either. our goal every day is to go home safely and, unfortunately, he wasn't able to that day. >> lucky for captain dern, his fellow firefighters were willing to go beyond the call of duty to save one of their own. stephanie elam, cnn, fresno, california.
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top of the hour. i'm pamela brown in for brook baldwin today in new york. we begin with accusations flying in the race for the white house. donald trump calling the colorado republican convention rigged and crooked after ted cruz won 34 delegates there over the weekend. some are now calling it a voterless correctry, because there's no primary in colorado and no caucus. instead, conventiongoers pick delegates. today, trump tweeted out a video of a colorado republican who burned his party registration after attending that convention. take a look. >> i've been a republican all my life. but i will never be a republican again. i quit the party and for the time being at least, i'll be independent. and i'm voting for trump. and to hell with the republican party. >> all right. well, cruz's camp says he won fairly through a, quote,
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superior organization. joining me now, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and mark preston, cnn politics executive editor. first of all, cruz was there, trump was not there. it sounds like cruz ground game, if you will, is just -- was better there and in other states we're seeing, right, mark? >> right, these changes were made last year. it's not as if these changes were made just in the last couple of days let alone the last couple of weeks. the problem is for the republican party, that you are going to have voters out there that say this is just an insider's game, this is another washington way of try to control the process and this is why we hate the national parties and why we hate washington. >> trump sees that opening saying it's rigged. this is what we hate about politics. >> this plays right into his brand, right, which is sort of anti-establishment. i think trump has a problem though. while it does play into his brand, he still has to get delegates. and so long as the party doesn't start changing the rules in the middle of the game, which i think would be a problem for the party, they can say -- the party
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can say these are the rules. these are the rules. you should have known them. you know, running for president is a serious enterprise. you ought to know what you're getting into before you get into it and you ought to be organized enough to do it, you know, and trump was playing an air game, and this is retail and minute at this point and the trump campaign now understands they have to do that which is why they hired the delegate wrangler paul manafort. >> he compared his situation to bernie sanders saying we hear he's winning, winning, and he doesn't have the delegates. >> no doubt. we hear the same thing from bernie sanders as well because he says, listen, i have won seven out of the last eight contents up to this point, but hillary clinton had such a good run down in the south that she was able to build a lead over him when it came to pledge delegates which is basically delegates in the states and she also had the establishment behind her. the so-called superer delegates, these senators, these house
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members, these select people who can pledge their allegiance to a candidate, and they don't have to do anything through the state. >> the thing is about a convention, going towards a convention and potentially contested convention, it's not a constitutional convention. it's a party convention. it's full of party people. and so what trump has to try and do, and i saw that voter, that angry trump supporter over there, what trump has to try and do is convince his supporters to go be delegates to the convention and get them on the slates, and that's what they're trying to do, and they're a little late in starting that process right now. >> you look at trump's strategy just this past week, it seems different. help was very low key for several days. he skipped out on the sunday morning talk shows. i think for the first time in four months. and then he came out, what was it, yesterday, started talking about the rigged delegate system.
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but first, what do you make of that? >> i think he's got people around him now who are telling him to kind of cool it. he's sitting on a big lead in new york. you don't want to blow it. we saw what happened in wisconsin. he had a bad two weeks before wisconsin. and it really hurt him in that state. so they want to sit on their lead. they want to try and tone it down a little bit. and the only time we've heard him come out is to say that this process is rigged and, you know, as i was saying before, this is an argument that i think makes sense for trump to make. >> strategic. >> what got him to this point was the bombastic rhetoric, was owning the media, was reaching out and, really, getting support from folks who, a, hadn't voted, or folks who were very upset at the national parties. however, as gloria said earlier, the bottom line is you can have that and that can get you to a certain point in the campaign, but you have to have this whole infrastructure underneath you to make sure that it carries you through, and donald trump did not have that infrastructure
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built. or he's right now in the middle of trying to build it which can be a little bit too late, meaning we will go into a contested convention. where donald trump has issues as well is when he comes out and attacks the republican party as a whole, when he attacks the rnc, because let's assume he needs the republican national committee and quite frankly he does need those deep pocketed donors if we are to believe donald trump is not going to self-fund the campaign. >> you've not been sleeping the last couple of days because you've helped organize these town halls starting tonight with john kasich and his family. what should we look for in these family town halls? this seems unique. >> it is unique. certainly for our viewers. to get an up-close look at these candidates and certainly their families that most voters are not able to get unless you live in new hampshire or south carolina, those privileged states. what we can see tonight is really beyond the policy, beyond the rhetoric. where you get to see -- tonight
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we'll see the 15-year-old twin daughters of john kasich talk about their dad as a person, you know. we'll see his wife karen talk about him as a husband. you know, just the whole family aspect that you don't normally get during a campaign. i think at this point, we know so much where the candidates are when it comes to policy issues, how are they personally, and that's what we'll see tonight. >> also, running for president is such a family enterprise. and we tend to forget that if their dad is criticized, they're going to be upset about it, you know, the spouse is -- >> right, how it affects them. >> how it impacts them. spouses are often the best character witnesses for the candidate. so i think you're going to see that a little bit out of all of these spouses, but it kind of lifts the veil a little bit on what it's like to actually run for the presidency and how the family becomes so invested and how difficult -- how difficult it really, really is on a deep personal level to see somebody
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you love being out there, being criticized, getting negative attacks. >> constantly. >> constantly. >> it will be so interesting to hear their perspective. family does matter. it's not just the candidates. they really provide the backbones we're looking forward. tonight is the first one with john kasich and his family. thank you, we really appreciate it. staying with ohio governor john kasich, i'm going to turn now to former michigan congressman pete hoekstra. who is your reaction when you hear trump complain about a, quote, rigged system? >> you can say it's a rigged system but he could have rigged it, as could have cruz or kasich. by getting your supporters to come out to state conventions and county caucuses and these things. you do have to have the follow through that after you win an election or there's not even a primary, make sure your people participate in the process. the process is clearly laid out
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in each of these states. >> the cruz campaign is saying your campaign and the trump campaign boxed out ted cruz from winning delegates in michigan. in fact, accusing kasich supporters of, quote, double crossing them. the governor just commented on it. what happened? what does this mean in the long run? >> i don't think it moneys much in the long run. what it means is the state convention in michigan, we elected people and what they're complaining about is we elected people, number one, to be the delegates and the alternates in the convention. then we elected through the delegate process, we elected people to represent michigan on the key committees, the rules committee, the credentials committee, and those types of things at the national convention. and what you have to do as the campaigns do talk, they do work together, to make sure they're fairly represented. in this case it appears the trump people and the kasich people could work together and ensure some equity and they felt
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that they were double crossed by the cruz people. >> but it's interesting, though, because it was once thought trump and cruz had formed an alliance to deny kasich any path to the nomination. does this signal a shift in alliances to you? >> i think what it shifts -- i think what it signals here at least -- remember, this is not john kasich and the national team, you know, dictating a strategy or try to dictate a strategy down to the people in michigan. a lot of it depends on the dynam ins indynamics of the individuals in the state who know each other who worked together. these are party leaders who have worked together for years. in certain cases, perhaps the trump and the kasich people have better relationships. in other places, maybe it's the kasich and the cruz people who have better relationships. it is all about relationship politics at this point. and as michigan moves forward, that's going to be the most important thing. >> and you were just saying, you know, with the notion of a rigged system, you said the
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rules, it's how good you are with navigating those rules and getting delegates on your side. in light of that, there's been so much focus on trump's ground game weaknesses. what about kasich? how long ago did the kasich campaign realize this? >> i think john's been fully aware of this. he had some very talented people on his staff. they understand this. this is why in a place like michigan they've reached out to myself, the lieutenant governor and others, as well as grassroots people, to make sure we've got a cohesive team all the way from the national team, all the way down to grassroots people in the counties who could go to county conventions. that's why we were successful in michigan. >> but did you notice that trump's ground game was weak and when did that happen? >> i think we've known for a long time the trump game was relatively weak in a state like michigan, because they weren't there actively involved at the county level, which is where it all begins.
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do they have the people, the people that have been part of the process, that know how the system works, and if they were getting new people, did they have new people who were willing to learn how the process worked to make sure they could have an impact? >> but, still, the trump camp fared much better than cruz did in michigan when it comes to putting those delegates on committees. thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all three gop candidates and their families will sit down with cnn this week for town hall events tonight at 9:00 eastern, the kasiches, john kasich, just mentioned his supporters a moment ago in new york. >> don't know what it's going to be. anderson cooper tonight at 9:00. if you want to see my wife and kids, then tune it in. i don't know -- they're 16. i don't know what they're going to say. okay. but i've been giving them a lot of stuff. so they'll say good things. anyway. >> and tomorrow, the trumps and wednesday the cruz family.
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only on cnn. up next, president obama goes out of his way to defend hillary clinton over her personal e-mails, but did he go too far during an investigation? senator rand paul has a few words. he joins me live. plus, as the wives of the republican rivals get ready to answer voter's questions on cnn, we'll talk about what they need to do to shine. and, first, bruce springsteen, now bryan adams, canceling a concert in the south over a new law critics say discriminates. i'll speak live with the mayor of the city.
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well, president obama seems to be going out of his way to defend hillary clinton over the use of her personal e-mails. take a listen. >> she would never intentionally put america in any kind of jeopardy and what i also know, because i handle a lot of classified information, is that there is classified and then there's classified. there's stuff that is really top secret, top secret, and then there's stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state that you might not want on the transom
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or, you know, going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open -- >> joining me now to discuss, senator rand paul of kentucky, my home state, and former republican presidential candidate. senator, thank you so much for coming on. >> sure. >>cy i first just want to address what president obama said where there's classification and then there's classificati classification. what do you make of that? >> i didn't hear where his e-mail is kept. i think it's probably kept on a viewer server. there is a risk with foreign entities getting access to e-mails. i've always been more about whether it's legal, illegal, top secret, this, i want a commander in chief who has good judgment about security of the nation. so if i'm thinking about who to vote for, i'm not exactly unbiased but it goes to her judgment. whether it's good judgment to put e-mail that could have been
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sensitive or top secret, to put that on a server that's not protected by all the controls our government has to keep out hackers and spies. >> president obama said in terms of the fbi investigation that whatever the outcome of it, it will not be politically motivated, do you trust that? >> you know, i hope that's right. i have a great deal of confidence that the fbi does try to be above partisan politics. but, you know, we do have appointees that run them, that are political appointees, but i'm very hopeful that is accurate. i think it is a serious and worrisome thing to have top secret e-mails floating around the internet. there was evidence they brought somebody, a hacker from europe, that they're talking about whether or not that hacker may have hacked into clinton e-mails. i don't know that to be true. >> we don't have any reporting on that. >> yeah, but there's people asking that question. >> the question is if this was not classified at the time and then classified later.
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i've spoken to people in the government and say commonly we e-mail and people dance around classified topics, some better than others. >> i guess to me it's less important the exact detail classified versus sensitive versus this, it's really the judgment about whether the secretary of state should have had her e-mails that could have had sensitive information on a private server. to me, it goes to judgment. i want somebody in charge of the country who is careful with our nation's secrets and it doesn't sound to me like she was careful. >> does it change your view? because the state department general came out and said there were state department e-mails on colin powell's, you know, private e-mail and condoleezza rice's that are now marked classified? >> no, i think what worried me is there's a few e-mails they tell me i can't even look at now, that they're so top secret i don't have access. i think there were 12 of clin n clinton's e-mails that they said i can't look at. sound to me like it's pretty secret and she had them on a private server. it also troubles me she fired
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one of her ambassadors for doing the same thing she did so she apparently thought it was a serious enough breach to fire one of her ambassadors that was using a private e-mail server. and so that goes to sort of hypocrisy, whether or not what's good for her is good for her employees and vice versa. >> president obama was asked about the worst mistake of his presidency. i want to listen to that and talk to you after. >> probably failing to plan for the day after what i think was the right thing to do in intervening in libya. >> do you agree, that's his biggest mistake? >> i think it was a really big mistake. i think we should learn from our mistakes. i've asked the president directly about this. i asked the president, i thought you promised us not to take us to war without the authority of congress. the constitution's very explicit. we should have never been involved in libya without a vote
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of congress. think when we did get to syria, remember, there was an argument about bombing assad after the chemical weapons attack. i made that same argument. i think the president did listen somewhat to the people and those of us saying you can't go to war on your own. no president should unilaterally go to war. i hope he learned from it. i also hope hillary clinton learns from it because hillary clinton was in favor of that same policy. >> when you listen to that, is that sound bite going to end up in a republican ad? it could be construed that he was indirectly pointing his finger at secretary clinton who was secretary of state then. >> it wasn't just democrats. many leading republicans were for that war as well. but it's been a disaster. libya's oughter chaos. a third of libya now pledges allegiance to isis. you ask yourself, was it a good decision to topple gadhafi? i think it was a terrible decision. i think it happened because president obama didn't obey the constitution.
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the constitution says congress declares war, and he went to war on his own. if we use the checks and balances of the constitution, i think we're less likely to make mistakes like lib what. >> i want to turn to reporting from my colleague manu raju who says your colleagues and the republican senators are not rushing to back ted cruz, they're staying on the sidelines, and you're staying on the sidelines too. why is that? >> think i said my piece. i was involved in a lot of the presidential debates. i got to point out what i thought were my attributes. we didn't have enough votes. we moved forward. now, you know, i'm running for re-election in kentucky. i think my job is more to unify republicans, rather than continue to point out what i think are some weaknesses of the candidates. really, i think my message is somewhat unique in the party. i bring a libertarian sort of message. a message for privacy. a conservative military budget that doesn't cause us to go further into debt. i want to keep promoting those issues as opposed to sort of
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being a pundit or a spokesman for any particular candidate. >> but not everyone else is running for re-election. why aren't the other republican senators rushing to back him? >> think it's some of the same though. because everybody sort of has a state they represent in the u.s. senate and they're trying to promote their agenda. >> you don't think it has to do with them not liking ted cruz? >> i think that might be overstated. people say that over and over again, this personal sort of battle. with me, i just figure what i want the republican party to be is a bigger, better, bolder party, more diverse. so i spent a lot of my time over the last two year speaking to african-american audiences saying this is our message, we want you in our party. and i think that's a useful thing, but it isn't so useful if i'm just a surrogate for one candidate or another. i'll support the nominee. i will support them. >> hypothetically if trump is the nominee, how do you think he will do against hillary clinton? >> you know, i think on some --
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>> if she's the nominee, obviously. >> on some issues like the trade issues he mixes it up. so states like ohio, wisconsin, maybe even new york, where there's a certain part of the population that has misgivings about job loss with regard to trade. trump has a chance. that some other republicans may not have. but i think his rhetoric, his inflammatory rhetoric that i think sometimes incites hatred, i think isn't good for the party. i've said before we can have a variety of opinions on how to fix immigration. everybody wants to come here. it's such a great place. they come here seeking freedom. they come here seeking opportunity. they need to come lawfully. i think it's a mistake to somehow sort of say, oh, it's a bunch of drug dealers and rapists. most people come here -- i would say the overwhelming majority are coming here looking for freedom and prosperity. >> so with donald trump, his latest complaint, if you will,
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is the delegate system is rigged and crooked. do you think he has a point? >> you know, i've been involved since i was a kid. i was actually at the last contested convention in 1976. i was 13 and my dad was a reagan delegate. and it wasn't decided. and ford wins on the first ballot by about 100 delegates. interestingly, even back then, pennsylvania was undecided. this year, they'll be undecided. 1976, pennsylvania sent, you know, unobligated delegates. they're doing it again. people had to jockey back and forth. we have these rules in presidential elections as well. you vote. states vote. and then electors vote. interestingly, elock tors haven't always voted for the candidate they were supposed to. in 1972, a nixon elector voted for the libertarian candidate. we have all these rules but you have to be involved with it and you have to have the enthusiasm of the party and trump needs to do a better job because i think he's losing overwhelmingly in the delegate count. >> that is a possible scenario
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we could see. where they vote for trump on the first ballot and the second ballot, go for cruz. what do you think about that? >> you have to be active party in. trump has bought new people into the party. that's good. new people that are enthused about his candidacy. you have to show up at the precinct convention and the county convention, the state convention. it's always been that way. those are the rules. and enthusiasm goes a long way. you know in 2012, when my dad was running, he got that enth e enthusia enthusiasm. he did better in the delegate count than he did in the actual popular count. the rules are the same for everybody. >> just really quickly, i know you're running for re-election in kentucky. you dropped out of the race shortly before the caucus. do you have any regret perhaps you dropped out too early? >> no, not really. we got 5% of the vote. we beat jeb bush. beat half of the field. but the problem is, is that they had hundreds of millions of dollar dollars to spend in new
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hampshire and that money think was overwhelming our message. plus, i think the trump phenomenon, the microphone that he was granted for one reason or another, it was 25 times bigger than the entire republican field together. and that overwhelming news cycle that was dominated by trump, dominated all others, other than, you know, maybe the one remaining cruz now. so it's interesting to see how it shakes out. no, no real regrets. i feel honored to be in the u.s. senate. i feel honored to have been part of the debate. >> all right, senator rand paul, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. >> and still ahead on this monday, singer bryan adams cancels a show in biloxi, mississippi, after the state passed a controversial religious freedom bill. the mayor of biloxi taking a strong stand against that new law that many say discriminates. ? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like...
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the backlash against a wave of bills that critics say are anti-lgbt are growing. canadian singer bryan adams and rocker bruce springsteen canceled their shows in mississippi and north carolina over state's so-called religious freedom bills. now some mayors are taking a stand and speaking out. let's talk about that with one of those mayors who opposes his state's religious freedom bill. he is the mayor of biloxi, mississippi. mayor, thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> so first, lay out why you oppose this new mississippi law. >> let me answer that directly. i want to kind of set the stage
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on who we are. biloxi, 317 year old city, small city with a big reach. we do not discriminate, period. in any form or fashion. we thrive through diversity and hospitality and innovation. that's why it's very important that we get the message out. we just had a tremendous weekend with spring bikers, 35,000. the week before that, we had all kinds of folks here with a tour. we're located midway between new orleans and mobile. we have 26 miles of beaches on the mississippi gulf coast. we survive, thrive and we plan to do that. it's very important everyone get our message. biloxi and our sister communities along this coast, actually, we're a peninsula, but
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we're very proud of what we've been able to do over 317 years. >> let's talk about this law. can you just lay out a little bit more why it doesn't fit into the community that you know? >> many religions, many nationalities, all welcomed. in the 1900s this community was built on seafood and opportunities that the industrial revolution provided. for eating and processing seafood. doesn't matter what religion or nationality you were, we were successful. then resorts came along. we've got many resorts that have already experienced within 24 hours of that law being signed, you know, consequences that -- impacted conventions and tourism.
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we're actually most concerned about the perception, you know, things may be turned away. >> let's talk about the potential consequences. we are seeing it play out in some regards are businesses pulling out. now we have this singer, bryan adams, who is canceling his tour, this canadian singer, canceling his concerts in mississippi and north carolina, i should say. what is your direct message to singer bryan adams? >> well, you know, again, i'm not sure that he knows the story of our gulf coast and biloxi, mississippi. it's the most hospitable place you can visit. we consider hospitality. we just had a concert and 10,000 people saturday night. so it's a great place to be, to come. our challenge as a community, from an economic development, come here once. that's all i'm worried about. you visit biloxi once, you'll be
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back again and again. >> just very quickly, mayor what do you say to the people who support this bill who say this is protecting our religious freedom rights? >> well, i can appreciate that, what they're trying to do. for me and our community, it's never been a problem. we can appreciate everyone's position. again, we've been successful and continue to be successful because we have an open mind to everything. so we would hope we can find a way to fix this perception as well as any kind of problems that may -- >> mayor, thank you very much for coming on, showing your perspective. in a new interview, vice president joe biden said he'd like to see a woman elected president but stopped short of an endorsement for hillary clinton. plus, bill clinton defends his fiery response to some black lives matter protesters. we'll talk democrats live with our own jake tapper up next.
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well, former president bill clinton is getting a lot of heat over his confrontation with black lives matter protesters. but he says he has no regrets. >> i forgot you need miranda warnings when you say things in front ---er was screaming. the only thing i wish i said is first of all, yes, there are too many people in jail. yes, the small percentage of them are in federal prisons and hillary was the first person in this campaign of anybody to say we should reduce the prison population. or we can't let people out without education training and guarantee they won't be denied the right for a job when they
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get out. the rest of what i said is actually -- i feel good about -- >> joining me now, jake tapper, cnn chief washington correspondent and host of "the lead" and "state of the union." jake, you actually spoke to hillary clinton who of course is walking a fine line on this one. what did she tell you? >> we, it's interesting, because bill clinton is really in a position where he is try to do two things that are seemingly contradictory. one, defend his legacy. two, be a surrogate and supporter of his wife who is running to be president of the united states in many ways to change the way things have been done and there does seem to be moments where they are in conflict. listen to what she had to say. >> he does take predefending me very seriously, and i appreciate that. i think he has a great legacy. if we're going to talk about his eight years as president, we should talk about everything.
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he said last summer to the naacp that a lot of good things happened to try to lower crime, save lives and all of that, but clearly some things happen that were not foreseen and need to be addressed. >> will you tell me what you said to him when you saw the video? >> no, he believes that people need to talk and listen to each other. he is often, you know, very clear. i will listen to you but then you have to listen to me respond. and we need to get back to doing that. >> and it's interesting, pamela, specifically, the president was responding to protesters who took issue with hillary clinton using the word superer predator back in the '90s. and even though hillary clinton has apologized for using the word and said she wouldn't be using it again, he was defending her use of the word. so there is kind of a contradiction there. >> interesting, jake tapper, thanks so much, we'll see you on "the lead" coming up in just a few minutes. hillary clinton and bernie
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well, they don't exactly have to run election campaigns, but the women who could be our next first lady are definitely having to play presidential politics. melania trump, heidi cruz and carol kasich will make some of their own speeches at cnn's town hall event. each will have their turn at the mike answering questions not just from cnn but the audience. dana bash joins me now.
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dana, what do you think their objectives will be? >> multi layered, no question about it. first and foremost, this is true for any spouse, whether it is a female spouse, a male spouse, whomever, is to make the candidate more human, to personalize them, to remind people that they do have kind of a softer side or a side that most people don't get to see from anybody who's in the public eye, much less those running for office, so that's number one. but in this particular case, i know all three of these women because i've met them all, bring something unique to their spouse and to what their spouse does for a living. heidi cruz, for example, she is a powerhouse unto herself. she has been working for goldman sachs. she is now taking a leave of absence to help her husband on his campaign, but she often depose out on the campaign trail without ted cruz because they see her as such an asset.
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she also on her own raises a lot of money for him and uses her management skills to help with the campaign. so there's that side of it. and then karen kasich also has experience in the pr world. she did so -- she was an executive in that world before she even met her husband in ohio. she's home with her kids right now, but she certainly has a lot of know-how and sort of good instincts. i know that just from talking to her and watching her. and melania, she is melania. there is no question. i think it goes without saying that donald trump benefits from having, you know, his spouse out there talking about him, especially given the trouble that he's had with women, with female voters and so forth. so i think the idea of seeing her in particular with her
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husband, they have done interviews before but in a town hall setting will be really fascinating, enlightening and illuminating. it's always, always amazing to see what these candidates are like as a family, because i know gloria said this earlier in the show and it's so true, this is very much a family affair. >> and it's not just the wives, it's their kids too who will be part of this town hall. so dana bash, thank you so much. we look forward to that town hall, the first one tonight with john kasich and his family. up next, anthony bourdain joins me to talk about his new season of parts unknown and what happened at his first jiu jitsu competition. stay with us. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready.
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where have you worked? >> hong kong for five years. >> for five years and then i went to america. i stayed there for almost 30
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years. >> aurora is recently back in manila after most of her life spent abroad. >> what kind of work were you doing? >> housekeeping, you know, and baby-sitting. >> the money she sent home put everybody here and many, many more through school, lifted them up to a more comfortable life. >> and you had left family behind? >> yeah. >> you see anthony bourdain there in manila in the philippines from the season premiere of "parts unknown" and she joins me more live. we were just saying it's so rare that you're actually in the united states because you travel more than 200 days a year. really looking forward to this season. what can we expect? >> well, i'm very excited about this manila episode in particular. i'm very close with a large extended filipino family and we're exploring the overseas worker. so many filipinos are forced for economic reasons to -- particularly women, to leave
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home, leave their own children and go abroad to be caregivers and look after other people's kids either as doctors, nurses, housekeepers, nannies. so much of the filipino economy depends on the money they send back. so this is really a look at that caring, generous nature of looking after others that's so much a part of the filipino overseas experience. >> obviously food plays a big role in that. >> yes. they like to eat over there, they like to cook and they do it well. >> yes, they do. i want to talk about your past weekend for you. you brought home your first gold medal in jiu jitsu, is that right? >> my first competition, i'm very excited. the old dude division. but first time out is really the hardest and most terrifying thing i've ever done. >> even though your wife, by the way, is a jiu jitsu expert. >> she's a professional. but yeah, i'm proud of myself. it wasn't so much this, it was a long, hard slog training to even
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get it together to go out there and give it a try. >> are we going to see any of those skills in the upcoming season at all? >> i don't think you'd want to see that on the show. >> you travel the world, travel more than 200 days a year, but new york is home to you. and you're very much in love with the food scene here, needless to say. so what are your top five favorite restaurants? >> i'm not going to say favorite but i will say when i'm away from home for a long time, the things that i crave that we do in new york better than anybody, first thing i'm going to russ and daughter's for like bagels, smoked salmon, chopped liver because we do deli in new york better than anybody. maybe shake shack, i'm easy. a good burger, i crave that no matter how well i've been eating abroad. a good, american burger and shake shack does a good one. >> what about pizza?
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>> we have a default pizza, you know, that we call -- my wife is italian so we'll call out for serafina, the decent pizza. >> i'm going to have to go get some food now. anthony bourdain, thank you very much. the premiere april 24th, 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. thanks for watching. jake tapper starts now. >> thanks, pamela. bill clinton bringing back another fascinating episode of "i love the '90s." "the lead" starts right now. who knew there could be so much drama when it comes to math? donald trump's campaign accusing the cruz camp of using gestapo tactics to win delegates. is ted cruz breaking any rules? hillary clinton trying to pivot once again to the general election, refusing to go negative on bernie sanders today. but bill clinton's latest comments may not be doing her any favors. plus a former nfl star gunned down