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food can burn you. jeanne moos -- >> a guy's got to eat, right? >> reporter: watch and learn. >> kasich eats a lot, has a glass of wine. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we have something special for you tonight. a 360 town hall, the first of three this week. governor john kasich, donald trump, ted cruz and their families as well. we hope it gives you, the voters, a chance to see a difference side of thoue candidates. john kasich is coming up at the top of the hour. wednesday night is ted cruz. and tomorrow night is donald trump and his family. he is speaking tonight in albany. he and senator cruz escalating their war over delegates and a system that donald trump is now calling rigged. the latest on all of that from
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sunlen serfaty. >> it's a crooked system, folks. >> reporter: outraged over being outmaneuvered, donald trump is going on the offensive. >> we've got a corrupt system. it's not right. we're supposed to be a democracy. we're supposed to be -- we're supposed to be you vote and the vote means something. >> reporter: as trump rails against the gop delegate selection process, ted cruz's campaign is demonstrating its organizational strength. >> the latest thing he seized upon is when people vote against him, they are stealing the election. it's a really odd notion. what is this democracy of which you speak? >> reporter: cruz's campaign winning a clean sweep in colorado this weekend picking up all 34 of the delegates at stake in the state. but trump is crying foul. >> what they're trying to do is subvert the movement with crooked shenanigans.
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we're just not going to let it happen. we're not going to let it happen. >> reporter: trump's new convention manager taking his criticism one step farther. >> you go to these county conventions and see the gestapo tactics. we're going to be filing several protests because the reality is they're not playing by the rules. >> reporter: the trump camp gave no specifics or evidence about what those tactics might be. though trump tweeted sunday, quote, i win a state in votes and then get nonrepresentative delegates because they are offered all sorts of goodies by cruz campaign. bad system. the cruz campaign is firing back rejecting those charges as just sour grapes adding, quote, we are winning because we put in the hard work to build a superior organization. this as the texas senator is no longer downplaying the chances that the race will be settled at the convention this july. >> the odd of going to a contested convention in july are
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much, much greater. >> reporter: a con tested convention could be his best shot. >> in that scenario, i think we'll go in with an overwhelming advantage. i believe the first ballot will be the highest vote total donald trump receives, and on a subsequent ballot, we're going to win the nomination and earn a majority. >> reporter: meantime, the boston globe launching an attack on the gop front-runner pub lurk a satirical front page in its sunday edition warning readers about the deeply troubling risk of a trump presidency. >> i couldn't care less. >> reporter: trump brushing it off and blasting the newspaper. >> they made up the whole front page is a make believe story which is really no difference from the whole paper for the whole thing. the whole thing is made up. >> reporter: sunlen serfaty joins us from irvine, california. >> as ted cruz really today is trying to capitalize on this
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moment, as we've seen donald trump really blasting and criticizing the republican nominating process, calling it as you saw there corrupt and crooked, we see ted cruz on the other hand really trying to boast of its organizational muscle of his campaign, talking about how his campaign is able to maneuver the complicated delegate rules with ease as they've seen --s we saw over the weekend in colorado. his campaign scooping up all of the delegates there. we saw cruz lay into donald trump there. tonight he's started the hashtag online on his official twitter account with #whining isn't winning in reference to donald trump. and really going after him in a series of comments today, including this latest on a radio interview tonight. him saying the reason why donald trump is screaming about this election being stolen from him. ted cruz says that's because donald terrorirump is angry bec people are just not voting for
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him. this is a new front as this inches toward a contested convention. more on the cruz/trump delegate war. how it's playing out and what might happen down the road. joining us is "inside politics" anchor john king to run it all down by the numbers. obviously we saw trump reacting angrily to the colorado delegate results. complaining the system is rigged. explain what happened. >> it's rigged if by you mean -- by following the rules postod the colorado party website for anybody to see for months, then it's rigged. donald trump got outhustled. he had people on the ground in colorado who didn't know what they were doing. ted cruz gets 30-plus delegates. and donald trump just plagued by bad organization. ted cruz as far as we can tell broke now rules. just worked the system very as well. donald trump had people on hand who made a number of mistakes. look for this to continue this weekend. wyoming does pretty much the same thing. slightly different rules but a
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party convention and caucus system. 14 dealt galegates up for grabs. ted cruz has narrowed somewhat donald trump's delegate lead as we go through the primaries and caucuses. like bernie sanders, relatively small wins. not enough to overwhelm the math but if we get to a contested convention, remember that. every 30, 20, 10, every one might count. >> there are also other examples of trump losing ground even in places where he won big. we're talking louisiana, for one. >> for one. i'm going to show you eight states here. there are more. i'll show you eight states. indiana hasn't voted yet. they're starting to go through the delegate process. donald trump is behind. donald trump not only won but won big. he's losing now in the second, third and fourth steps of the process. very much like ron paul did in 2012. the cruz people now mastering the system. what's happening? let me give you one example. look in virginia. donald trump won the nine th
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congressional district in coal country. donald trump won it huge. he won some by 55%, 56%. he gets three delegates for that one county. he will get those delegates. they will go to the convention and must vote for trump on the first ballot. this is what's happening in state after state in district after district. y all these trump delegates must vote for him on the furst ballot. if he doesn't get there on the first ballot, then they are free agents and many of them are aligned with cruz. they understand that first ballot could be everything. >> just basically, trump is ahead in the total delegate count. some of those delegates are essentially not really trump supporters. they just maybe will have to vote for trump at the first round but it gets to a second round they can switch to cruz or kasich. >> i have to shift maps to do it. if you look at where we are now, let me go back and reset this to where we are today. come back to right where we are
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today, donald trump with his lead. assume donald trump wins new york big, wins throughout here big. ted cruz does well in the west. here's a good scenario of a strong donald trump finish. he's at 1204 with a strong finish. most think he can't do that well. let's say 1204. could have used 20 out of colorado or eight or 10 out of idaho. those would get you to the finish line. assume that donald trump comes in weaker in the end. let's even give him california but by a margin where he's splitting some of the delegates with others. imagine him at 1139. let's assume 1129 on the first ballot and the two in virginia, some from louisiana and tennessee. they bolt on the second ballot. if his number on the second ballot comes back here and ted cruz comes up here, i don't know any republicans who don't think at that point it's game over for donald trump. can cruz keep building or then do they go to wild cards? if donald trump falls
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significantly after ballot one there's nobody who thinks he can rebound. >> that's fascinating. john, stick around. i want to bring in kayleigh mcenany, gloria borger, also tara setmayer and ana navarro. ana is a republican strategist. joining us from houston, cruz communications director alice stewart. cruz campaign says essentially he's whining. aren't these the rules? theyor the website. everybody knows what the rules are. >> here's an important thing to note. august 25th, the colorado gop made a decision to disenfranchise 1 million voters in colorado. they were to have a presidential preference poll. they said no, no, no. we know better than our voters and think we can choose the best nominee. they took the ability of the people away from them to vote and said we know better than them because they chose rick santorum and that was a bad choice. that is not what we do in a
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democracy. trump is right to say this is rigged. >> august to september, october, november, december, january, february, march, april. that was eight months ago. donald trump, these organizational genius, the business poobah who hires the best people, makes the best deals, he's getting outfoxed on the ground by ted cruz. >> far be it for donald trump to think the will of the people is what matters? that is what should matter. >> you are telling me donald trump who spent his life playing the game and giving money to all these politicians on both sides because that's the way this game is played doesn't know how to play this game? >> trump came in having never run for office. he won every state in the southeast. >> that's not the way the game works. >> he'll make it to 1237 long before the first ballot. >> alice, trump's campaign accusations about gestapo tactics, the system is rigged. you are essentially handing out
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fancy dinners and promising trips and all lots of goodies to some of these delegates. what about it? >> i was there in colorado on saturday. and it was a tremendous crowd. people eating hot dogs and popcorn. let me show you the gestapo tactics we're talking about. these are moms, dads, little kids in their scout uniforms waving flags and signs. these are gestapo tactics. these rules were set in place back in august last year. if you had a problem with them, you should have spoken up then. we're talking about a candidate who can't even get his own kids to register to vote for him in new york. these rules have been laid out for several months. never had a problem with them. he got outmaneuvered. we have a better candidate, a stronger message, superior ground game but most importantly, volunteers and supporters throughout these states in colorado who are committed n determined and worked really hard to get people out to stand behind ted cruz.
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this was the fourth of the last four contests. colorado, wisconsin, north dakota and utah. >> let me bring in the panel, alice. >> we've done better. >> it does raise questions about donald trump's organizational ability at the very least about the kind of people he's hiring. >> i think donald trump has waged an air war in this campaign. and he's done that really well. he's inspired millions of people who support him. but running for president is a serious enterprise that requires organization and understanding what the task at hand is. >> big rallies aren't enough? >> big rallies aren't enough. we talk about new hampshire is retail politics. when you talk about delegate selection, that's really retail politics. that's door to door politics. and that's where the trump campaign is falling short. there are different parts of each campaign. and this is just another part of it. and i think going in, the trump
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organization should have known what they were going to confront in a close race. >> tara, is there a -- has there been a trump campaign organization? there's been big rallies. he's obviously mobilized a lot of vote. he does a lot of interviews. but the actual organization, where is it? >> clearly, it's been nothing but cosmetic campaign is what i call it. you see all the big rallies and he gins people up. that's easy to do. fly in on your private jet, have a rally and fly out. it's tough work running for president. it's tough work being the president. you have to fight for that office all the way until you raise your right hand. it's clear donald trump, this is a pattern of his. he's done it in his business practices. he's done it for decades when he gets bored with it or doesn't feel he's winning, he cuts and runs. you play to win, not play to whine. it's clear his organization wasn't there. it's been hollow. the ted cruz campaign. colorado is a perfect example. the ted cruz campaign has been
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on the ground there for eight months. what's going on in colorado was grassroots. it starts with the local conventions and local people. unfair to say it was some establishment steal. >> trump or whoever was in his campaign, whoever it is, didn't know how the system worked or didn't give it enough attention thinking their way was kind of reaching -- reshaping the way politics can be played. >> it's a very complex system. people need to understand that different states have different rules. some states are primaries. some are caucuses. some are state conventions. these rules are set by the states, state parties. so you really have to know what each state is requiring. >> or hire people who know. >> you have to know how to work that system. it takes time and resources. to donald trump's credit, he's gone very far based on his persona. but there comes a moment where it requires more than persona. and this notion that's ted cruz is the oprah of the republican party and gives away a car to
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everybody in the audience is just crazy. ted cruz is running against a billionaire. if anybody is in a position to give away rides on helicopters, visits to mar-a-lago, it's donald trump. when he wins, he's got no problem with whatever the rules may be. when he loses he becomes the little boy who cries foul. >> do we want someone -- do the voters want someone who knows how to navigate the establishment rules or do they want someone setting out to change the establishment rules? and that's donald trump. by the way in poll after poll we see that voters have said, every poll, the polls in new york today, polls in wisconsin. whoever gets the most of the -- >> you're asking what voters want. isn't the whole rationale that voters want the guy who is going to hire the smartest people in the room. doesn't matter their -- >> name another candidate who has built a $10 billion
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business. >> i don't care about the business. i'm looking for another candidate who has built an organization that is outfoxing your candidate. >> name another candidate who has dominated an entire region and no one else has won in that state. the conversation will likely be all for nil when donald trump wins on the first ballot. >> name me another candidate who offend other prisoners of war. name me another candidate -- >> let's not go down that road. >> these are the rules of the game right now. you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. donald trump finds himself in a situation where he doesn't like the rules. now is not the time to change them. now is the time to win within the rules. >> the rnc consistently changes the rules. >> not these rules. >> and then colorado decided to have -- >> states decide in a presidential nomination, the constitution article 2 gives that power to the states. if donald trump has a problem with it, we should revamp the constitution.
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>> it doesn't do representative democracy. it doesn't disenfranchise is million vote ears. >> there's no -- >> let's take a poause on this. we have our own rules. we have to take a break. we get ready for the first of three republican town halls tonight. up first in this election cycle, we'll talk to governor kasich tonight, donald trump tomorrow and ted cruz on wednesday. we'll see how they balance campaigning and family. a bit later this hour, the democrats gearing up for the new york primary. bernie sanders speaking in buffalo. new polling, new verbal shots at one another and the bill clinton factor still being asked about the confrontation with protesters and still making headlines. >> allergies with nasal congestion?
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it's transforming our world. donald trump just wrapping up a rally in new york's capital albany. he and his campaign have about on the war path over delegate selection. he fired another verbal rocket over the outcome in colorado. >> it's a fix! because we thought we were having an election, and a number
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of months ago, they decided to do it by, you know what, right? right. they said we'll do it by delegate. they said they're going to do it by delegate. isn't that nice? and the delegates were all there, all waiting and the head guy, in fact, one of them tweeted out today or said today by mistake and then they withdrew it, something to the fact of, look, never trump. if i go to the voters of colorado, we win colorado. so it's a crooked, crooked system. >> back now with our panel. "usa today" just published an article. he was asked when he's going to start acting more presidential. the time is going to be soon. he's still tweeting up a storm. calling the system rigged. do you actually believe that there is going to be some shift in donald trump acting quote/unquote presidential? >> they've mentioned the campaign has that there are going to be a number of policy
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speeches. his aipac speech was a resounding success. rather than getting booed he got standing ovations. that donald trump that walked into aipac, purportedly a hostile environment, that's the donald trump we'll see in a series of policy speeches to come. >> alice, are you holding your breath on a presidential donald trump suddenly appearing on the campaign trail? are you preparing for that? >> i don't see it happening. he's going to be who he's been from the beginning. for him to continue to whine because he's not winning is a pattern. he's been doing that ever since he started losing traction. he's lost the last four contests and continues to insult the competition and degrade the process. that's not very presidential. and that's what we're hearing from people across the country. he's not focussing on the issues. ted cruz has momentum and is focusing on the issues, offering solutions and reminding people what he's done in washington, standing up to the washington
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cartel, fighting against -- >> alice, it seems like ted cruz after insulting new york, talking about new york values in an earlier debate has now abandoned campaigning in new york. he's focussing on elsewhere, in particular on california and looking kind of ahead of new york. are you essentially kind of giving up on new york? >> no, actually it's to remind everyone he was simply using donald trump's own words about new york when he talked about new york values which are reflective of the liberal leaders in new york city is what he was exactly referring to. these are donald trump's own words. we'll be back in new york later this week and look forward to campaigning throughout the state. and he likes visiting with the people there because they, too, have conservative values that they resonate with ted cruz on and they oar we have tremendous crowds. we had great crowds today out in california. we also rolled out a list of 50 republican elected officials in california that have endorsed ted and we continue to see this
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momentum throughout the last several states and expect to do so moving forward. ted cruz saufri ins offering a message and donald trump is doing nothing but insulting and whining. >> we look. there's a lot of places where cruz or kasich could get delegates that donald trump is not going to be able to get. >> in new york, it's not natural terrain for cruz. i think he added fuel to the fire that was already here against him because of a new york values line which trump has naturally sort of played up. i think that kasich appeals to the moderate republicans, you know, in this state. i think the thing that's amazing to me about cruz, but so interesting is that now he's got -- he's putting out establishment republicans who are supporting him when, in fact, he talks about the washington cartel and the surrender caucus in washington.
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>> there's not a lot of folks who are in the senate who are actually endorsing him. >> right. >> his old colleagues. >> exactly. but suddenly we're saying he's the candidate of the establishment when in fact, if there's any candidate of the establishment it would probably be the person we're going to hear from later tonight, john kasich. but cruz is running this -- it's sort of interesting for me to hear it because i spent years in washington hearing people whisper how much -- >> is it too late for donald trump to hire people to fight these delegate battles state by state? >> he's got no choice. he's got to do it. i think hiring paul manafort was a good start for him. someone that's a seasoned veteran. if he's going to continue this race, if he's going to continue this contest, he has got to play by the rules established. he has got to understand, it's not a crooked system. it's a quirky system. it's a difficult system. but that is the system you've got to -- >> for someone that believes in
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states rights and letting the states make decision, a lot of these decisions are made by the state. >> all of these are made at the state level. this is the way it's been for a long time. even in new york. if he doesn't get over 50% it will be because he didn't have organization to know that you have to switch your residency back in october. his own kids couldn't do it. you have to be responsible if you want to be part of the process. and donald trump is being irresponsible and blaming everyone else. john kasich and his family will join me for a town hall. i'll ask questions. also voters in new york will. up next the democrats. bernie sanders going after hillary clinton and also bill clinton and what he's been saying on the campaign trail. make a statement... goo make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪
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welcome back. our town hall with governor john kasich and his family begins in about a half hour with the kasichs taking questions from vote slaers as well as from me. bernie sanders is ratcheting up some attacks from hillary clinton and bill clinton. the former president still
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dealing with fallout from his confrontation with protesters last week. sanders hit back on the money she's made giving speeches to wall street. >> i figure if she gets $250,000 for her speech, it must be a brilliant earth-shattering speech. it must be a speech written in shakespearean prose. >> jeff zeleny joins me now. that's a line he's used before. i don't know if he's been using it in the interim but he's bringing it back. bill clinton made some remarks last week. raised a lot of eyebrows defending his 1994 crime bill to a group of black lives matter protesters. what did he say about that today? >> over the weekend bernie
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sanders called on the president to apologize and take back his words. the president didn't quite do that. he said the crime bill overdid it but he apologized a bit but spent more time defending hillary clinton. >> the only thing i wish i'd said is first of all, yes, there are too many people in jail. yes, a small percentage of them are in federal prison, and yet -- and hillary was the first person in this campaign in either party to say we should reduce the prison population but we can't let people out without education, training and guaranteeing they won't be denied the right to a job. >> so the more he talks about this, though, probably not great for the campaign. african-american voters so sensitive to this issue here. he'd like to move on to other things. >> sanders is continuing to amplify his attacks on hillary clinton. what's the latest on that? >> just today alone it was on wall street and the banks. it was on fracking.
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it was on the fact that she's bought and paid for here. a very aggressive final eight-day stretch here. the reason is this big prize of delegates here. and, yes, the clinton campaign is up by 14 points in one poll but both sides believe it's closer than that. that's why the next week here is very critical. the clintons are fighting so hard for this. you'll see them out to try and close down this sanders surge in new york. >> a critical cnn debate takes place thursday here in new york. wolf blitzer will be moderating. back with gloria borger, bernie sanders surrogate jon nan tacini. he challenged clinton for her senate seat in 2006. also michael nutter who supports hillary clinton. jonathan, let's look at the latest polling numbers for bernie sanders. let's put those on the screen. here in new york, sanders
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trailing clinton by 12 percentage points. started the rhetoric. do you think it's going to make up the difference? >> one thing that's been true is that bernie does very well as the -- we get closer to election day. in nevada he was down 25 points five weeks out. essentially ended up winning. will get more delegates at the end of the day. going to the debate in the last few days, amazing energy. thousands of people are gathering in halls all across the state, volunteering, wanting to knock on doors. that's going to make the difference, the ground game. the clinton campaign is right the margin is much closer. it will be all about turn out. >> mayor nutter, are you concerned? this is secretary clinton's adopted home state. she represented this state in the senate. >> in the senate. the senator was born there. this will be a close race. there's no question about it. and the numbers will shift from day-to-day. and the candidates are, in fact, going at it.
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>> do you continue to be concerned as a clinton supporter by some of the language bernie sanders is using? >> it's clear that the senator is, as you said, ratcheting things up. he is pretty much hitting secretary clinton with everything soon to be possibly the kitchen sink. so he is really going at her very, very hard. she's strong. she's still standing tall. but it starts to move more in the realm of personal, way away from policy, and the things that the senator had been talking about and has now shifted in these more desperate times to the more personal. >> gloria, before we come back to jonathan, clinton has certainly tried to focus or wanted, it seems, to focus on trump as much as possible. but is finding herself having to continue to engage with bernie sanders. >> she'd like to focus on donald trump all the time. she's done an ad about donald trump because nothing so mobilizes democrats like donald trump. but she's in a race.
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and this is her adopted home state. and she's got to do well in new york. and i think the margin matters because just psychologically, even if she were to win but to win by a small margin, democrats purporoportion delegates. if it's close, it could be a problem for her. and i think that sanders sometimes gets out ahead of himself. when he said clinton wasn't qualified to be president, he had to pull that back. he had to pull that back and say she didn't have the judgment. but to say hillary clinton is not qualified -- >> what i think he meant and he clarified this and it's a fair debate is about judgment. she voted for the iraq war. he's opposed it. she's been for the death penalty, he's for it. he's for breaking up the big banks. she's a corporate money, wall street money. it's now been 66 days that
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hillary clinton still has not released those transcripts from goldman sachs. >> she said she'll do it when everybody else releases theirs? >> bernie has said, here are my speeches. he has no speeches. he has not spoken to wall street banks. >> the senator said what he said. he walked it back because he was getting slammed for questioning the qualifications of hillary clinton. >> no, i think he meant the judgment. it's the judgment. >> do you believe hillary clinton is qualified? >> i can pull it up. he questioned -- >> to your question, both of the candidates have resumes. we can judge those baseod their experience. >> do you believe she's qualified? >> she's qualified to run for president. >> qualified to be president? >> that goes back to what bernie is saying about judgment. >> this is the problem. >> i'm not hearing a yes or no. >> because senator sanders is perfect. he's never had to take anything back. he's never had a -- >> bernie wants the debate to be
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about what her judgment is. she voted for the iraq war. he opposed it. that's something he feels strongly is not good for someone -- >> we've got to take a quick break. if you are interested in seeing how this confrontation plays out, watch our cnn democratic debate moderated by wolf blitzer, thursday, 9:00 p.m. eastern. when we come back, hillary clinton setting her sights on donald trump with a new ad in new york highlighting some of his most inflammatory statements about women, illegal um graimmi and women and donald trump tonight hit back calling clinton's life a whole life. more on that ahead. i take these out...
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as we heard before the break, the battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is heating up ahead of the cnn debate in brooklyn three days away. hillary clinton has released an ad in new york that takes donald trump to task for some of what he has said in the past. take a look. >> he says we should punish women who have abortions. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> that mexicans that come here are rapists.
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and we should ban muslims from coming here. >> donald trump says we can solve america's problems by turning against each other. it's wrong and goes against everything new york and america stand for. >> with so much at stake, she's the one tough enough to stop trump. >> this should come as no surprise. donald trump is hitting back. here's an example of what he said at an event in albany regarding secretary clinton's e-mails. >> everybody knows that she is guilty as hell, okay? everybody. her whole life has been a big, fat, beautiful lie. it's been a terrible, terrible lie. everything about her is a lie. >> with me kayleigh mcenany, michael nutter and gloria borger. is that presidential to say her life has been a big, fat beautiful lie? >> he's responding to an ad that
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was unpresidential. secretary clinton is a lawyer and understands how to oversimplify something in a way that's untruthful. all of those cited in the ad from the abortion comment that he came out and clarified within the hour to the mexican comment. he never called all mexicans rapists. he called a certain group being sent by the mexican government. and he never proposed banning an entire group eternally. >> although, technically, there's never been any evidence the mexican government is sending criminals and rapers across the border. trump says that but there's no actual evidence of that. >> that is below the belt? >> they are all accurate statements that were found somewhere and played out in public. i've seen one of those either press conferences or whatever it may be. he has to control his own language. but to say that about hillary rodham clinton is absolutely
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below the belt. it is not presidential. he just needs to get control of himself and his language and demeanor toward people in general and especially women. >> hillary clinton's ad was all about showing that she is tough and tough enough to take on donald trump and that she can do it. what trump was all about was letting republican voters know that this is the way he will take on hillary clinton. that he will take her on directly. that he will talk about things nobody else will talk about. and to his base, and that is the people he's going after now in the state of new york, to his base, that's really great. and they will come out and vote for him because of that. because she mobilizes republican voters just like he mobilizes democratic voters. they are each doing it for different reasons. at this particular point in the campaign. and it will work for each one of them. >> gloria's right to say that's the message he was sending. a lot of republican voters are very upset with john mccain, mitt romney.
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they feel like they chose not to go after barack obama hard enough and forcefully enough. i do agree that donald trump was sending a message. i'm going to go after hillary clinton on the e-mails, the clinton foundation, the myriad of scandals that have rocked her husband's presidency and her tenure as secretary of state. >> is he weakened by the fact he's donated money to hillary clinton over the years and was apparently friends with her? >> ronald reagan was once a democrat and he made a 180 change. here he is a great hailed president by both parties. >> is there a difference between having donated relatively recently to secretary clinton and nancy pelosi and harry reid and now running for president as a republican? ronald reagan had a conversion long before he became president of the united states. >> donald trump was a businessman and many businessmen donate to both parties. they don't want to take sides. they are running a $10 billion business. they aren't there to make
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political statements. >> this goes back to the playing the game argument we were having earlier in the show. the question about donald trump knew how to play the political game and did very well at it and donated to democrats, right? so in of getting delegates, this is another political game and he doesn't seem to be excelling at it. either you can organize and play the game or you don't. is running as president a serious proposition as getting a business deal done and giving money to political candidates to try and buy access and influence? >> senator cruz is arguing he's a consistent conservative and has core principles he stands by. not willing to compromise on. and donald trump is essentially arguing the complete opposite. that, you know, when i'm in business i do whatever it takes in order to help my own personal business and line my pockets and benefit my family and myself. >> plays both sides. he wants to be the outside person. at the same time, you know, playing the inside game with the
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money and will say anything and do anything and then try to re-explain it later on to suit his purposes at that time. >> but he's played the outside game from the very beginning. he came into the republican party and said i don't care what the party says or what people expect of me. i'm going to say things the media is going to characterize as politically incorrect. i'm going to say things that are going to anger the rnc. he tore up the system. >> or just say things that are incorrect having nothing to do with politics. he'll insult anybody for his own purposes. >> gloria borger, thank you. mayor michael nutter, kay mooeg mcenany. we're just moments away from the first of three special hours. over the next three nights three difference gop town halls. the candidates and their families. tonight the kasichs. after the break some insight on the first family of ohio. how fast is it? plenty fast. but it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast.
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of their families. first off, john kasich. >> who gets up, eats breakfast and goes to run for president. it's a little surreal but i'm very proud of him. >> reporter: karen kasich just moments after her husband governor kasich announced his bid for the white house. she's been his partner on the campaign trail, often with the couple the twin girls in tow. they joined dana bash for an interview on kasich's campaign bus. >> i don't get too much into details. i have told him to act like the grownup in the room. >> he's doing very well. >> i think it's a fun experience. we spoke at the last town hall meeting. all the way up to ten seconds. >> karen met her future husband when she was just out of college. it was her first job for ohio state university. photographing high-profile people around town. including john kasich who was a congressman at the time. how they met and fell in love is
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one of her favorite stories to tell on the campaign trail. >> he asked me out to lunch and it kind of surprised me, and i called my mother and i said, mom, this congressman just asked me out to lunch. she said oh, my goodness. you don't know a thing about current affairs. you need to get "newsweek" magazine right away. >> reporter: they got married in 1997. governor kasich often calls her his light and his anchor. >> from the tips of my toes to the top of my head, i just love my wife so much. >> reporter: three years later, they had their twins who are now 16. >> this is my daughter reese, okay? this is my daughter emma. >> reporter: over christmas, emma and reese took over their dad's instagram account, posting
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pictures about their experience on the trail. inside a new hampshire tv studio, dropping off donations for a new hampshire town hall, and, of course, endless selfies. before the girls came along, karen had a career of her own in health care advertising. she stopped working when they were 2. she is still an avid runner and self-described fitness freak. these days, though, her main focus is helping her husband reach the oval office. >> he's a man of great experience, and i think that experience is what this country needs right now. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> that's does it for this hour. up next the 360 republican town hall with governor john kasich and his family. stay with us. ♪ there it is...
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with primary fast approaching, new york voters have questions for all three republican candidates. they join us in a first for this election cycle. we hope it gives the voters a chance to see a difference side of each candidate, starting with john kasich. >> tonight, he's been pounding the pavement. >> i feel like i'm getting younger every minute i'm in new york. >> hungry for votes and something on the side. >> baked clams, calamari. >> learning the menu and the ropes. >> i'll make you this