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decided until the convention and he will win it in the third round vote. sharpening attacking against each other two days ahead of the debate in brooklyn. we have this 2016 race covered the only way cnn can. >> they are the rules. you might not like the rules. you might attack the rules. but the state republican party set them last year. it doesn't mean donald trump is not going to attack them over and over again. >> it's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. >> reporter: donald trump sounding off. >> it's a fix. they're going to do it by delegate. oh, isn't that nice? >> reporter: criticizing the delegate system in colorado after losing all 34 state delegates to cruz over the weekend. priebus take to go twitter writing, the rules were set last
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year. nothing mysterious. nothing new. the rules have not changed. ted cruz also responding to trump's frustration at a rally in california. >> donald, it ain't stealing when the voters vote against you. it is the voters reclaiming sanity. >> their team is not remotely organizing on the ground. it's not based on people. donald is about donald. >> reporter: john kasich acknowledging the complex delegate rules in a cnn town hall last night. >> it is a bizarre process. i'm not really in the middle of it. >> reporter: colorado just the latest state where trump has been out maneuvered by cruz in key delegate fights. >> when everything is done, i find out i get less delegates than the guy who gets his ass kicked. give me a break. >> reporter: he shifts it back in his favor.
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>> he is lying ted cruz. remember that. he does not like the people of new york. that came out loud and clear. >> even though his own children missed the registration deadline and won't be able to vote for their father in their home state. >> they were unaware of the rules. i think they have to register a year in advance. so eric and ivanka i guess won't be voting. >> reporter: no help for his kids. the new york primary not just one party only. calling her life one big fat beautiful lie. that coming a day after hillary clinton's campaign launched an ad. >> you couldn't write some of this stuff. people say it's impossible. it's over the top. meantime, ohio governor john kasich say he is stepping up his delegate game calling the process itself bizarre.
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good morning, guys. what a difference venue this was, right? no back and forth slams. nobody trying to too hard. nobody trying to sound presidential. this was a candidate with his family. for the voter, a much more personal look at the person. for an hour-long show, there was a lot that came up. listen. >> i'm the grill master in the family. >> the entire kasich family center stage at a cnn town hall. >> i'm not that great. honestly. i'm doing the best i can. >> you're pretty good at respecting us. >> yeah. i surrendered to you long ago.
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>> joined by his wife karen and twin daughters emma and reese. >> he is just really godly and really, really fun. sometimes a little silly. she's loving. he's always checking up on us. >> and speaking glowingly about him and his bid for president. >> i'm super proud the way he has run this campaign and the way he has he behaved. and i'm proud of the way people react to that. >> it will become a heavy, serious matter. >> rejecting talk that he could be tapped for donald trump's vp. >> i would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> the ohio governor explaining
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the religious freedom bills. it doesn't mean i have to go write a law and figure out how to have another wedge issue. >> while his 16-year-old daughters reveal some of his quirkier habits. >> he tries to tell jokes he he thinks are funny. they are mostly just funny to us because they're dumb. >> he he also thinks he's a really good dancer. north south. >> well, you have to go north and south. >> what do you think, reese? i've gotten better. yeah. but you're not going to go on "dancing with the stars". >> kasichs opening up about all families, bullying. >> i tell my daughters you need to stand up against it.
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reese, there was an occasion where you did, didn't you? this is a big deal, a big problem. we have to look out for our kids even when they are not our kids. >> in an emotional moment, kasich revealed how his family has changed his life. >> marrying karen, she's been fantastic and a great supporter. with the girls, i love all of them so much. and that's where faith has to come in. because they're now driving. and reese had a boyfriend. emma has a boyfriend. is that a boyfriend that you have? at some point you have to let them go and have faith that you did it the right way. >> very interesting to hear from two 16-year-old girls. they don't see the negative parts of this campaign. they're not paying attention to it. kasich was able to forecast a
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big speech this morning. he's contrasting what his opponents are putting out there. he said that is to unite people. back to you guys. >> you have to love that muhammad ali i'm going to win it in three talking about the third round of the convention. we have cnn politics executive editor mr. mark preston and cnn analyst david gregory. so the state of play, mr. preston. when we're looking at the state right now, donald trump is pushing a vibe of being cheated. he saw colorado and new york a chance to make right. what do you think the play here is and the plus minus. >> try to act as a populist republican gained by the insiders in washington, d.c.
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whether you like the rules or you don't like the rules, the rules were established. the rules were set. you have to play by the rules. if you want to change the rules, go ahead and change the rules. >> david, here is the irony. this system that donald trump calls this rigged, disgusting, dirty system is actually working to his favor. notwithstanding colorado. look at the numbers. he has won 37% -- just give me a minute here. 37% of the raw vote but 43% of the delegates. it appears to be working for him. >> can i see your calculation on that? >> it's on the screen. please.
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donald trump sees obvious value of going after the system. we are looking daily at the ins and outs of securing delegates for the nomination fight. as much as he is a populist and he is going to run against the system, the first ballot is the gain for donald trump. and he does have the ability. he may be railing against colorado, against the party, but he also has people in his corner now. maybe a little too late. but they are trying to run a campaign and secure delegates if he is still close maybe he can secure it and get to the magic number. if he gets to the later votes, a second and third ballot, he could definitely be in trouble. >> second and third ballot. these are big ifs. this is usual that we would see that. what do you make of the kasich
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prediction, that it is going to go three. >> it very well could go three. >> really? >> it could perhaps go four. i don't know if kasich will be the one who survives and comes out on top. we saw john kasich making the case who should be leading the party. what he is hoping for is a mutual destruction to occur between trump and cruz that they battle so hard that he comes out as the uniter. the problem for john kasich is a couple of things. one, he got into the race too late. and too many people were like-minded or had the same kind of political resume. he has only won one state throughout this whole process but is still chugging along. last night he said, i'm still here. of course he's still there. anyone can still be there. why get out of the race? >> you look at the polling for the general. it looks hard at electability in a year where they have been hampered by the campaign so far.
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they have been hindered by it. i think he just wants to be there as an al alternative in case someone wants an alternative. >> mark, what about this other hiccup revealed yesterday. that being his children, eric and ivanka, will not be able to vote for him in the upcoming new york primary. they put out a statement, new york is one of the most own russ states. does that mean they were registered democrats?
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>> they could have been independent. or perhaps they weren't registered at all. they put the blame on the state and not themselves. on although trump put the blame on them. when he goes out and gives flourishing rhetoric, didn't build the infrastructure underneath to build more delegates. >> on or be smart enough to not let this get out. why do they have to know? what do you think about the latest? let's play what donald trump is saying about hillary clinton. he's looking at what's happening in his party and looking ahead as well. >> i'm millions of votes ahead, which they don't even talk about. they don't even mention it. they talk about delegates. i'm hundreds of delegates ahead. but the system, folks is rigged. it's a rigged, disgusting, dirty
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system. you talk about liars. hillary might be worse than ted. it's been a terrible, terrible lie. everything about her is a lie. >> david, this is exactly what is going to be said about him in a general election. is it easy to get out there first? >> it just shows you how ugly the tenor of the campaign will be in a general election. donald trump is not going to shy away from going personal. we know that. he will be really fast to go where bernie sanders has not wanted to go. that's the real vulnerability they have on honesty and trustworthiness among voters. donald trump has relied on who during this campaign?
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donald trump. his showmanship. he has not buckled down to pay attention to how he you run a traditional campaign. knowing issues of foreign policy or knowing how to secure delegates. >> guys, stick around. we want to talk to you about the other side as well in one moment. >> thanks for david gregory for getting those to sound bites together. >> you hit the button. >> tonight is donald trump, wife, and sons. all taking questions in our next cnn presidential town hall hosted by our man, anderson cooper. tomorrow night, texas senator ted cruz and wife heidi have
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their turn. >> i have to smack the button to change it to what i need to do. now to hillary clinton and bernie sanders sharpening their attacks against thursday's crucial cnn debate. clinton is holding on to a double digit lead. chris frates has more, live in rochester. >> reporter: bernie sanders and hillary clinton are fighting like two cats in a bag. questioning sanders's ability to handle the aggressive new york city press. >> i have noticed that under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in new york, senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. he's had trouble answering questions about his core issues, mainly dealing with the banks,
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he's had trouble answering foreign policy questions. >> he questions her judgment, including for the iraq war, which clinton has since said it was a mistake. she is starting to focus republicans, running an ad against donald trump and starting to sound more and more like a general election cancelled date. alisyn, back to you, friday pheupbd. >> lively there at this hour, chris. thanks so much. >> it is. >> it really is. bernie sanders hoping to pull off an upset in new york. of course new york has a closed primary. meaning only democrats, registered democrats can vote here. will that hurt sanders? we discuss that next. what if 30,000 people download the new app? we're good. okay... what if a million people download the new app? we're good. five million? good. we scale on demand.
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>> i started co-sponsoring the dream act in 2002 or 2003. and i consistently did the that. senator sanders, by contrast, was supporting vigilantes. >> secretary clinton and her state department worked through export fracking throughout the world. in my view, that is unacceptable. >> we want to bring back mark preston and david greggingry. mark, those attacks, those comments, are those fair? she said he supports vigilantes. are these fair? >> it goes to show you where the state of play is in the democratic party. for the most part we haven't seen these kind of attacks. these are personal attacks. >> are they? aren't they talking about each other's policies. >> they are. but the tone and tenor of how they are doing it is resonating through in what we're talking about right now. it is not whether hillary
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clinton was for fracking or not for fracking. it is how bernie sanders is presenting it. this has largely been eclipsed by the donald trump dphenomenon. you saw this ad in new york, very smart play on her part. it allowed her to direct her fire at someone else, at the same time, not alienating the bernie sanders liberal voters. >> the minute man thing, that's what this is about. sanders was part of an effort that would have supported an effort to the minutemen. you can say he supports vigilantes, but where does that land? >> i think it lands to something larger. people who have been in public life for a long time. hot button issues they are going to respond to. they want to hit those buttons where they can. just to highlight qualifications
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and judgment. that's what has been carried back and forth here for about a week now. who has the most judgment. who has the kinds of qualifications. so you hear him bringing up not just immigration matters or fracking but of course the iraq war to remind democratic voters where she was on these big issues that were big dividing lines. >> the latest polls show hillary clinton winning handly. this is a closed primary. inspects can't vote. only democrats. does that hurt bernie sanders? >> he has been helped by the majority of the primaries to this point have not been closed. i think what's going to happen in new york bernie sanders has won seven of the last eight but they have split the dell tpwats. hillary clinton could win new york. but berne kwrpb sanders could come just a few delegates
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behind. in the end the fact of the matter is bernie sanders is way behind hillary clinton in the delegate math. i believe she only needs 35% or 37% in order to question the nomination. like we will see on the republican side, although not entirely -- we will certainly see some kind of a roll call and is some kind of fight i believe, on the democratic floor. hillary clinton, you know, looks like of course she will be the nominee. and it will not be nearly as contentious as the republican party. but it will not be an easy walk for her. >> if there is no same day registration, if you are an independent or third party you had to do so by last october. if you're a first timer you had to register by march 25th. this is where sanders has to rely on a surge of democratic
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voters. he needs young progressive democrats to come out in new york. >> look, the reason this is a big litmus test, it has a huge minority. bernie sanders can broaden the tent. how big a deal do you think the gun issue and manufacturer liability is going to be here in new york state with that population. the clinton team is working very hard. and obviously the part of the party, pretty much pronounced being anti-gun. >> yeah. i think it's a pretty big deal. it is the kind of issue that can get voters to turn out. combining that with what was only a few takes. coming off the notion that she not qualified to be president can alien ate those voters and make clinton appear to be besieged. look, he has a lot of enthusiasm on his side, even in new york. as you say, he has to prove in a bigger, more diverse state that
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he has an ability to turn out his people in really big numbers. >> back to your point how bernie sanders continues to win states but doesn't eat into her delegate count. this is exactly what donald trump was talking about with the disgusting, rigged system. listen to donald trump on bernie sanders. listen to this. >> i see the results come in. bernie sanders wins. and he wins, and the wins. and these people are saying he can't win. because the system is rigged. >> donald trump comparing himself to bernie sanders. >> interesting, right? look, in many ways what we have seen in this fight for the republican and democratic nomination has lifted the veil about how this happens. most people think you win a state, you win the state and you add it to your column. there is a complex formula that is designed to help the insider, the best funded candidate. look at someone like john
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kasich. we were talking about him last segment. he got into the race too late. he didn't have enough money. he is not considered an insider. he is a governor in ohio. makes it difficult for him to a play in the game at this point. we are seeing the same thing on the democratic side. >> mark, david, thank you. thank you for walking us through this. we are two days away from the democratic presidential debate in brooklyn. hillary clinton and bernie sanders face-to-face for the first time in five weeks. thursday, 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. all right. new developments in the shooting death of former nfl star will smith. the alleged gunman is claiming to be the real victim. new video from second after that deadly confrontation. you'll see it next on "new day".
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mark savage live in new orleans with the latest. what have you finding out, martin? >> this is a story that touched new orleans saints fans deeply. the attorney that is representing the alleged gunman is maintaining, look, it may have ended here where you see the street memorial. but it began several blocks away, he says. and his client was not the one that started it. newry released video after the shooting death of new orleans saints will smith. reveals the shock of eyewitnesses and the sounds of anguish from his wife. >> what happened? you can hear raquel smith leading for help. >> i need an ambulance. my leg has been shot. >> you see car dell hays.
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the witness says the former nfl star claimed he also had a gun. >> he starts freaking out on this guy. and he's like get out. i have a gun. i've got one too. and he grabs the gun and shoots him. >> the defense attorney points to this tape for reason to believe there may have been a second gun on the scene. but police say they have only recovered one weapon. and that's hays's handgun. >> i can tell you that my client was not the aggressor in terms of the behavior that happened after the accident. >> reporter: another point that the attorney brings out here is to say that his client, hays, didn't leave the scene. in fact, his client called police, 911, and then who also kept another witness from leaving the scene. he said that is not the behavior of a person who just carried out
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a random act of murder. >> i'll take it here, martin. boy, we need more details. but it is tragic all around. thanks for that reporting. back to politics. john kasich insists he's not going anywhere. he plans to stay in the race for the republican convention and win the white house. he'll explain how. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. hey, we're opening up and we need some new signage. but can't spend a lot. well, we have low prices and a price match guarantee. scout's honor? low prices. pinky swear? low prices. eskimo kisses? how about a handshake? oh, alright... the lowest price. every time. staples. make more happen.
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the system, the system, the system, a metaphor for something that is hurting donald trump and could reward john kasich at a convention. let's discuss this with the national chair of young people for kasich. let's start with the latest piece of sound that donald trump has this manifesto of madness at the system that he has. let's listen. >> it's not a system. there was no voting. i didn't go out there to make a speech or anything. there's no voting. i heard pete say, well, that's the way it is. this was changed in the summer to help a guy like cruz.
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as an example, south carolina. i won it by a landslide. like a massive landslide. now they are trying to pick off those delegates one by one. that is not the way a democracy is is meant to work. >> kayly, isn't that exactly the way a democracy is supposed to work. everyone had a chance to prepare. it is no secret that trump is behind an organization. is this sour grapes or a case you can make that this is against him. >> it is not necessarily against him. but we have a problem. it's not democratic. when you have 1 million voters in colorado who were disenfranchised august 25th out in colorado the gop decided they didn't like how their voters voted. when donald trump was leading in the polls, they didn't like that. they said, sorry, voters, you don't get a chance. you don't get a voice in this.
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it's our turn, not your turn. that's not how a democracy works. the people should have a voice in all cases. >> it's up to the state party, right? >> it's up to the state party. >> and everyone had a fair chance. >> no one had a fair chance. >> everybody had a fair chance. >> to buy for delegates. the gop would be wise to listen to voters who said in every state 50% and above, they feel betrayed by the republican party. this is why. cases like this. >> obviously these rules were done, gregory, without any idea or notion that donald trump would even be in the race. but now here we are. and john kasich last night in the town hall said the rules are bizarre. but you know what, the convention rules are what they are as well and i believe they're going to work for me. how so? >> the rules weren't made just to stop donald trump from
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getting the nomination. they have been in place for a long time. this is electoral process, however bizarre it may be. i think john kasich has been saying a long time, we are going to an open convention after the first ballot, it will go to the delegates who will take the process very seriously. and that's where he's confident that he can come out with the nomination. >> where does the confidence come from do you think, greg? he said we're getting momentum. hasn't won a delegate in a month. is the option you hope the other two destroy each other and seem unelectable? >> not necessarily. but that might have already happened or is starting to snowball. i think the confidence comes from his experience. he has 30 years in government. he's been governor on of ohio and very popular in that state. so i think he has seen this before.
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and he's confident that he can come out of an open convention and then beat clinton in the fall. >> how concerned are you about what organization means to the person you support going forward? politics has never been that way. it seems you are dealing with a better organization. in fact, trump is saying it. >> organization is important. even he though the rules are unfair, i don't see them changing. so it is important in the event that you get to a brokered or open convention. that being said, i think donald trump has a real chance at 1,237. you have new jersey, pennsylvania. the math ahead looks very good. there is a good chance of him getting to 1,237. >> he has to win a percentage of delegates that he has not won. >> it is a hard path, a narrow path. >> trump is very upset. the system is rigged and it
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seems to hurt me more. raw vote, 37%. delegate vote, put it up, 43%. how does it make the case that the system is hurting him more than anyone else when he is doing better in the system than with regular people. >> this is complicated. they vote on the first ballot. they are obligated to vote for trump. many of the delegates are actually not trump supporters. they are cruz supporters or they support other candidates. so that 43% looks a lot, a lot smaller. they are not trump people. they are just obligated to vote for him in the first ballot. >> that's politics. it is always up in the air. you have to work the system. everybody knows that. at least everybody who has been in it. appreciate the snapshot. candidates from both parties engage anything wars of words.
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anger. you have heard a lot about it. the voters are angry. it's likely that has fueled the rise of the political outsider. peter, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> anger on the trail sounds very ominous. let's talk about who has used it effectively and who has not used it to such good effect. let's talk about the person who employed it the most, donald trump. >> you have to spell it right. l-y-i-n-'. >> they said you were an angry person. i said i am.
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i'm very angry. i hate what's happening to our country. i am angry. >> that's donald trump. he has harnessed the anger. as you can see, here's an exit poll asking people are they angry about the federal government. 59% of those who are angry voted for trump is he the winner in the angry poll? >> absolutely. many of his core supporters have not seen any wage growth since the 1990s. they are unhappy by some of the cultural situations in america. as an outsider he has been able to tap into their deep discontent. >> let's talk about why other people haven't been able to do it as successfully. here's what happened.
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it's a bad spray tan. >> what we are dealing with, my friends, is a con artist. if he did not inherit money he would be selling watches in times square. >> that is marco rubio trying to sound angry but it didn't resonate with voters. >> it turned out he was out of step with the mood of the republican electorate. his early message was positive, uplifting, hopeful message ran into the anger we're talking about. when he tried to pivot to out donald trump donald trump it didn't work. it wasn't authentic to him. >> on the other side, bernie sanders seeps to have tapped into the anger. listen to this. >> the american people have a right to be angry. they have a right to be angry because they are working longer hours for lower wages. >> so what he has done, it dove
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tails with his prime message about this income in equality. >> right. bernie sanders has the benefit of the fact that he has been an outsider. he has been a socialist. you are seeing a lot of people who still haven't benefited coming out of the great recession. >> here's where it works for him. for those voters who are dissatisfied and angry about the federal government, the same question that was asked of donald trump. clinton, 46%. why hasn't she tapped into it? >> hillary clinton represents the establishment. if you like the way things have been going, you're more likely to think she is a good candidate. it is hard for her to run as a tear down revolutionary
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candidate given how central she has been. >> yet you do see flashes of her anger on the campaign trail. they are not as scripted. >> okay. she says i'm sick of it. you can see the flash of anger. is that an effective moment for her? >> i think it is. in a way, hillary clinton doesn't like to have her integrity questioned. she has been a progressive her entire year.
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she doesn't like that she is being called corrupt by the sanders campaign. they like that flash of authenticity, of strength, even anger. >> thanks for walking us through this. great seeing you. we are following a lot of news so let's get right to it. >> look, i'm running for the top job. >> it's a fix. we thought we were having an election. >> whenever he loses, he doesn't handle it well. he throws a fit. >> i would be the worst vice president that the country ever saw. i'm not a vice president. i'm a president. >> you can tell a whole lot about a candidate by the way he or she raises the money. >> senator sanders couldn't even answer questions about whatever his plan is.
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>> two months ago they were commanders in isis. >> former taliban members speak out after defect from isis. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome back to "new day". donald trump claims the fix is in. republican front-runner skewering his own party. claiming the system is dirty and rigged against him. ted cruz calling on donald trump to quit whining. john kasich telling cnn during the town hall last night that he is staying in the race through at least the convention. >> what's missing? solutions. not just from the right but the left as well. the democrats have turned heavy focus to why the other candidate stinks. we have the 2016 election covered the way only cnn can.
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let's begin with phil mattingly. good morning. >> good morning, chris. if rules are not working in your favor, you might have a problem with them. that's where donald trump is right now, staring at state party rules, many of which have been in place for decades that are simply not working for him. >> it's a rigged, dirty system. >> donald trump sounding off. >> they said they're going to do it by delegate. isn't that nice? >> losing all 34 state delegates to ted cruz over the weekend. rnc chairman priebus writing, the rules were set last year. nothing mysterious. nothing new. the rules have not changed. ted cruz also responding to trump's frustration at a rally in california. >> he yells and screams is and stamps his foot. look, as we know and the state
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of california, whine is something best served with cheese. >> and the failures of trump's own campaign. >> the team is not remotely organized on the ground. it is not based on the people. donald is about donald. >> john kasich acknowledging the complex delegate rules in a cnn town hall last night. >> it's a bizarre process. i'm not really in the middle of it. >> colorado just the latest state where trump has been outmaneuvered by cruz in key delegate fights. >> i find i get less delegates than this guy who got his ass kicked. give me a break. >> trump looking to new york to shift back in his favor. >> he's lying ted cruz. he does not like the people of new york. that came out loud and clear. >> even though his own children missed the registration deadline and won't be able to vote for their father in his home state. >> they were, you know, unaware of the rules.
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i think they have to realm sister a year in advance. so eric and ivanka i guess won't be voting. >> the delegates system, ted cruz. don't forget hillary clinton, donald trump going in on the potential democratic candidate calling her life a big, fat, beautiful lie. a potential window into what we should see should he win the nomination. guys, the first thing he has to do is get there. clearly there are some problems on that front going forward. michaela. >> such an interesting phrase. ohio governor john kasich lagging behind in the tkpwel gatt count, way behind. he is now stepping up his game. in a cnn town hall vowing to go all the way to the convention. >> your opponent completely out of it. nobody yelling at you. nobody calling you a liar or loser. no fights breaking out.
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just you and your entire family. what could possibly go wrong. the audience could ask anybody questions, including your teenage kids. there is a potential for headlines there. this format gives you a look at the candidate and much different framework for looking at the issues. listen. >> i'm the grill master in the family. >> the entire kasich family center stage at a cnn town hall. >> i'm not that great. honestly, i'm doing the best i can. >> you're pretty good at respecting us. >> yeah. i surrendered to you long ago. >> joined by wife karen and twin daughters emma and reese, giving voters an intimate look at their life together. >> she is really godly.
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really fun. sometimes a little silly. he's really loving. she's loving. he's always checking up on us. >> and speaking glowingly about him and his bid for president. >> i'm super proud the way he has run this campaign and the way he has he behaved. and i'm proud of the way people react to that. >> it will become a heavy, serious matter. >> rejecting talk that he could be tapped for donald trump's vp. >> i would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. you know why? i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> the ohio governor explaining the religious freedom bills. making their way across the south. it doesn't mean i have to go write a law and figure out how to have another wedge issue.
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>> while his 16-year-old daughters reveal some of his quirkier habits. >> he tries to tell jokes he thinks are funny. they are mostly just funny to us because they're dumb. >> he he also thinks he's a really good dancer. north/south. >> north and south is his move? >> well, you have to go north and south. i'm really, really good. >> just ask him. >> what do you think, reese? i've gotten better. yeah. but you're not going to go on "dancing with the stars". >> kasichs opening up about all issues involving families, like bullying. >> i tell my daughters you need to stand up against it. reese, there was an occasion where you did, didn't you? this is a big deal, a big problem. we have to look out for our kids even when they are not our kids. >> in an emotional moment, kasich revealed how his family
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has changed his life. >> marrying karen, she's been fantastic and a great supporter. with the girls, i love all of them so much. and that's where faith has to come in. because they're now driving. and reese had a boyfriend. emma has a boyfriend. is that a boyfriend that you have? at some point you have to let them go and have faith that you did it the right way. >> there's such a different feel with the format. they're not trying to be combative, trying too hard, trying to sound presidential. it is more their personality, their relationship with their family. and kasich was able to talk about a big speech he's giving this morning. he will contrast what his opponents are putting out there.
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his own path he says is about unity. back to you guys. >> thanks so much for all of that. so interesting to see him with his family. let's bring in christine todd-whitman, former new jersey governor and epa administrator. she has endorsed john kasich. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> dads talking about his teenage daughter dating. wasn't that interesting to see him with his family? >> it was wonderful. it gives people a sense of who the person is as a human being. that gives you an understanding how they will approach issues. i've endorsed him not because i particularly want to stop anybody else. he's the candidate who i believe can make the country work again. his experience tells you that. he's done it. >> don't you want to stop donald trump? >> i do. don't get me wrong. i don't want donald trump for president. i don't think he would serve our country well. but really it's more about who is going to be able to make the country work and who can bring
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people together. john kasich has done it throughout his career and has been very successful. you saw the kind of person he was with the family and the family support. his jokes with dumb. and he's not going to be on "dancing with the stars". >> it's interesting to have your teenage daughters to testify about who you are and your dancing and everything. you have supported governor kasich. he has won his home state of ohio. he has 145 delegates as a result. how can he justify staying in the race? >> because people are voting for him. this is an open contest. this allows people to make their choices. and the thing about it is that people don't understand, a lot of people are voting for ted cruz because they feel that is a way to stop donald trump. ted cruz or john kasich. john kasich is not going to give trump an opening. what you want is a concentrated number of delegates away from
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trump so that it goes beyond the first ballot. right now i think it is going to be a contested convention no matter what. we in new jersey have our primary in june. we deserve to be heard. we have a right to be heard. if we vote for john kasich we have a right to be at the convention that way. >> he basically said that's what he's banking on. he is banking on a third vote at the third ballot. >> right. >> and that's when he would come to the fourth. listen to how he justifies his path. >> why would a delegate pick you if the only state you have actually won is ohio. >> let's see how many delegates we accumulate. why would you pick somebody who can't win in the fall. let me tell you what the stakes are. i believe if you pick these other guys, you'll not only lose the white house you will lose the court, you will lose the united states senate. >> why can't ted cruz win? >> they're too divisive. they're too negative. >> the governor, if he only has
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a fraction of the delegates going in that donald trump or ted cruz has, won't the voters feel their will has been subverted. >> if it goes some other way, the kasich supporters will. every poll john kasich beats hillary clinton. he's the only one who does it in every pull. if you want to win, put aside you want the right person to be th president of the united states, bring people today and govern and concentrate on do you want to win the election. how many seats do you want to lose in the house and senate. kasich is the only one who beats her. so this is a process in the rules of the senate, you can like them, not like them. this is where we are. everybody knew what they were going in. it's confusing, frustrating at times. this is democracy at work. >> another issue that has come to the floor is the mississippi legislation that is considered
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anti-lgbt in some corners. let me play to you what his response to that was. >> i read about this thing they did in mississippi where apparently you can deny somebody service because they're gay? what the hell are we doing in this country? >> strong words. but does that win you a primary? >> the thing about this is, it wins a general election. the majority of the people are really in the center. the republicans have been captured by the far right, moving farther right for a long time. the democrats started this process a while ago. they haven't been at it as long as we have. they don't give us the crazy quotes. it is not healthy for the country. what's happened, until this election, people are getting so frustrated and mad that they aren't voting. i was at a restaurant last night and listen to go a couple next to us.
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they said i'm not going to vote. i'm not going to vote. i don't like my choices. you say that's exactly the wrong reaction. you've got to register where you are. even if you think you may be throwing away a vote, you're making a statement. that is what is important in a democracy. >> in terms of environmental issues, what do you say to critics of john kasich's who think fracking is dangerous? >> well, i'm on a board trying to make fracking as safe as it can with rules that go beyond regulation and law. fracking is going to happen. there are tradeoffs in any kind of energy we choose. you have problems with windmills. you have environmentalists upset by them and the bigfoot print they take and solar takes. i'm a big supporter of nuclear. you'll find people who are
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saying, oh, my god, that's really dangerous. even though we have such a solid track record in this country. you have to put structure around it. they all have their iphones and buying their teslas. they can afford them. they are certainly buying green cars and all four electric cars. those are only as clean as the power used to produce electricity. >> tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern, donald trump's turn. ivanka and tiffany, eric and don jr. tomorrow night, texas senator ted cruz and his wife heidi
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let's turn now to the democrats. hillary clinton and bernie sanders sharpening their attacks ahead of the crucial cnn debate. they are not calling the other person a terrible person. which glows are landing. chris frates live in rochester with more. you have the line of the morning. i hope you're going to repeat it. >> yeah. good morning, chris. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are fighting like two cats in a bag, slamming each other on guns, wall street and their record. hillary clinton putting a new spin on an old dig. saying a lot of guns from the home state of vermont. and questioning whether or not bernie sanders can handle the famously aggressive new york city press. >> i have noticed under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in new york, senator sanders has had trouble
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answering questions. he's had trouble answering questions about his core issues, namely, dealing with the banks. he's had trouble answering foreign policy questions. >> he questions her judgment, including for the iraq war, which clinton has since said it was a mistake. she is starting to focus republicans, running an ad against donald trump and starting to sound more and more like a general election candidate. >> all right, chris, thanks so much for that. we'll keep watching it with you. >> more than 400 protesters arrested on the steps of the u.s. capitol. the sit-in was organized by a coalition of 100 progressive groups called democracy spring. restoring powers in the voting rights act and ending restricting. four more protests are planned
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i have noticed that under the bright spotlight and scrutiny here in new york, senator sanders has had trouble answering questions. he's had trouble answering questions about his core issue. hillary clinton, bernie sanders trading barbs ahead of next tuesday's big new york primary. the primary, important to note, is closed. you have to be a registered democrat. and you can't register that day. former new york city deputy mayor under michael bloomberg and the former communications
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director for hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. also with us, new york state senator james sanders, a bernie sanders supporter. let's discuss the state of play here. first, let's look at the system. donald trump made it an issue saying colorado, it's rigged, it's rigged, it's rigged. let's put up the delegate numbers, shall we? the difference between pledge said and superdelegates. who are the superdelegates? it makes it feel rigged. why do you need these superdelegates? make the case for why you believe superdelegates should not be? >> if we believe in democracy, shouldn't it be one person, one vote. shouldn't it be whoever has the momentum to win and take it all the way, shouldn't that person be the person who has at the end of the day the nomination? >> now, hillary clinton has 200
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plus delegates lead right now of pledged delegates. if you look back at 2008, which you remember very well. >> i do. >> it was neck and neck. obama takes the lead in may. then senator obama. by the time hillary clinton decides to get out of the race he has a 2-1 superdelegate lead. it winds up being the party will decide this not the people. fair criticism? >> no. then senator obama had a lead over senator clinton in earned delegates by 100 to 150. even without the superdelegates, then senator obama would have been the nominee. the lead is narrow. but because of the way the delegate system works, there are no winner take all states. it is impossible for someone once they fall behind by a couple hundred delegates as senator sanders now is, to catch up. >> is that good?
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>> i don't know if it's good or bad, but it's the way the system works. >> it's bad. it's bad for democracy. if we are going to get these disaffected voters into it, it's bad. and we need to do something about it. >> you know what else is bad for democracy? saying vote for me, the other guy stinks. they are saying you're wrong on the war in iraq. i wasn't. okay. we got it. what are we going to do now. that has been falling by. and personal barbs, not you stink, you stink. but to that effect. is that what we need? >> it's not what we need. we can argue where it started. it's not what we need. our position has always been let us speak of the issues. and we want to spe of the issues. the larger issues. the issues that are important to the american people. not simply whose e-mail and who
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did all of those things. we said it from the beginning. we tried to maintain that. new york is a tough place to do it, though. >> do you believe, does the campaign believe, that hillary clinton cannot be president? >> hillary clinton, if chosen by the people, of course she can be president. and a very worthy president. but is she the president that the people want and the people need? that's the argument we're making. >> one point about the superdelegates. >> you've had time to think. i saw the wheels are turning. >> it is early. the wheels are turning. she would be the nominee based on the earned delegates chose then primaries and caucuses in the same way barack obama was the nominee -- >> it is a little too early to make that case, sir. you haven't spoken of new york. you haven't spoken of pennsylvania. let the people decide. >> they are going to decide. i don't think anybody is suggesting senator sanders
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should get out of the race. my prediction is based on my experience in presidential politics. you have followed this closely as well. >> sure. >>-harrisburg will be the nominee in the same way barack obama was the nominee without superdelegates in 2008. >> is the core concern of the campaign that senator sanders is not up to the job of being president? that's what we seem to be hearing now. the harsh lights of new york. all that is metaphor for you can't get it done when the lights are on you. >> we're at the point of the campaign where both sides are feeling a little tired, testy. and you are seeing exchanges back and forth. some are about issues. some are fitness and readiness for office. you had an exchange where it was suggested that secretary clinton was not qualified can which was ridiculous. there is probably no more
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qualified person to be president than her. both sides are beginning this exchange. and you talk about thursday night. i think you will see a lot of barbs going back and forth. i think both candidates are about done with the process. although the process has a couple more months to play out. >> thursday we know senator sanders will use that as a big stick on hillary clinton. she's in favor of it. on the other side, we'll hear the secretary used the gun issue to her advantage. >> senator sanders represented
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the views of his particular state. he will be a nationwide person and therefore will represent the views of the nation on that issue. >> gentlemen, appreciate it. can't wait for thursday. sure you can't as well. we are just two days away from what is going to be a real pivot point in this election. cnn presidential debate in brooklyn. hillary clinton, bernie sanders face-to-face for the first time in five weeks. the last time before the crucial new york primary. when? thursday 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. donald trump is calling the delegate system rigged after losing out on colorado delegates. did he make a mistake? we'll discuss ahead. all backed by our low price tire guarantee. yeah, we're strong when it comes to tires. right now during the big tire event, get a $120 rebate by mail on four select tires. when your ford needs service, these are the specialists.
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i'm millions of votes ahead, which they don't even talk
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about. they talk about delegates. and i'm hundreds of delegates ahead. but the system, folks, is rigged. it's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. it's a dirty system. >> donald trump lark out at the rigged, disgusting, dirty primary system. the new york primary is one week away. polls show donald trump with a big lead over his gop rivals. but they also show him losing to hillary clinton in a general election matchup if the election were today. so let's discuss all of this with cnn political commentator jeffrey lord. he's a trump supporter. and ana navarro. good morning to all of you. if good morning, ali. >> is donald trump right that the system is rigged, dirty, and disgusting? >> i don't know what happened there in colorado. clearly when you see, as i think we have probably all seen the
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viral video of him burning his registration, clearly something was afoot. >> you mean something afoot, untoward, something outside of the system? like what? >> clearly this particular coloradoan felt that was the case, his vote was not counted, he was not allowed to have a voice in the colorado delegation. i would say this. i think donald trump through paul manafort is getting a handle on all of this. they had a victory, i don't know if you noticed, in michigan, where they banded together interesting with the kasich people to keep the cruz folks off the rules committee. for the record, you get one man, one woman on the rules committee from each state. and in michigan, a victory was won for donald trump. there is a trump delegate for the rules committee. so that's the work of paul manafort. this is proceeding at a pace i think it should. >> ana, is something fishy happening in colorado or
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elsewhere that makes this dirty and rigged? >> no. this is our system. live with it. i come from nicaragua. i fought a communist revolution. i live in miami. another communist revolution lasted 50 years. this is a democracy. every single state party gets to make its rules the way they want to. some have early primaries. some have them later. some have caucuses. some have open primaries. some have closed primaries. it is all knowing what the rules of that particular state are. listen, if you were one month pregnant last year, that baby would be born by night. he had eight long months to figure it out. he didn't put the resources into it. you need to know when to file, when to meet the requirements, the number of signatures. it is a quirky process. it is a complicated process.
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it is a legalistic process. but it is our process. it is called democracy. live with it. stop being an infantile 5-year-old saying when you don't win, the rules don't work. when you do work, lo and behold, the rules do work. >> it seems to suggest that donald trump doesn't know how the rules work and his children are going to be unable to vote for him in the new york primary because they didn't make the deadline. let me read what they said. his children put out a statement yesterday. new york is one of the most owner us state to change party affiliation for a closed primary. the deadline passed in 2015. jeffrey, does this not suggest that the trump campaign didn't really have a handle on the rules? >> no. i think all that means is his children were too busy and didn't realize it. i don't think you can blame dad for that or dad's campaign.
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no. i think that's perfectly -- you know, their business. i really do believe things are changing on the ground with the arrival of paul manafort. this is somebody who has been through this twice with president ford and president reagan. he knows exactly how to do this. he knows who the people are. he knows the deals to make. i understand senator cruz's campaign is upset about what happened in michigan. he is having an effect. it's time to get on with it. the campaign has evolved. it's a good thing. >> listen, these children, it's not like they don't have enough help to be able to remind them of a deadline. the campaign should said, is everybody named trump of legal age who lives in new york registered to vote by this deadline. have the pets registered.
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ivanka, i know she's busy. i love the woman's shoes. she's a classy lady. all the kids are busy as hell. they have a lot of assistants that can remind them you have the little pings on your iphone. i don't know what would happen if the cuomo had not registered by a deadline. >> i don't want to think about it. it makes my skin crawl. >> the irony is that the very system that donald trump rails against as being rigged seems to have worked and continues to work in his favor. he has gotten 37% of the popular vote, the raw vote in this country. yet he has 33% of the delegate count. so he may not like how the delegate system works, but it is
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working for him. >> yeah. isn't that cool? i mean, i think it's great. and, again, campaigns evolve. when you get to this stage of a campaign, this is where you have to be. and it is entirely possible they were a little behind the eight ball here. but they are no longer. they're making up lost ground. and i think they're going to do just fine. >> thank you very much for all of that. great to see both of you. >> thanks. >> what's your take on this system? is it rigged? you can tweet us at "new day" or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. we will read those shortly. >> resounding answer so far on my feed is yes! coming up, a cnn exclusive. two former taliban speak out after defect from eyes. why did they leave, next. with the... fastest retinol formula. ...to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®.
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isis is expanding. but two life-long taliban fighters confessed to cnn the group's brutality is too much for them. they have joined the fight
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against isis. nick paton walsh has that exclusive and fascinating interview. nick? >> reporter: isis tried hard to get roots. appeal onned initially to some taliban. they have been fighting amongst themselves. as we saw here that savagery at the end of the day resroltd many insurgents and then turned against them. >> looking for isis in afghanistan's east radio broadcast of hate by the u.s. but here it's been coming back in the past week. it was there three days ago and it's gone again. they were talking nonsense, says another. they are asking people to pledge allegiance and march on kabul. he adds, this is one broadcast they recorded earlier. isis is trying to put down roots here.
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but every day more afghans want to tear them up. that starts here. two months ago. then there were commanders in isis. >> they are just like beheadings, saying they are good to do. >> isis, they say, came from pakistan, not iraq, and promised money to their struggling group. their agenda, back flags, killing and looting, which they did go along with at first. >> translator: they take your money. the poor they would have them fight for them or kill them. >> translator: i remember when they beheaded seven people in the bazaar, including government workers and pakistani taliban. i saw the long strip of wood they did it on covered in blood. they just threw the bodies away
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and buried. it was very unislamic. >> translator: my worst memory was if you wouldn't fight for them, they would put your wife and children in a camp. >> reporter: isis recruit children here. their own videos show the two men who work with afghan intelligence are set up to join an uprising program against isis. but they say they lack government protection and money ask and that put potential defectors off. the fight is left to american drones, they say. >> translator: drones are doing a good job killing isis. they target them as they leave their houses. >> the government hasn't made any progress in those areas. it's only the bombing that's affected. >> reporter: you're in the taliban. then isis. now american drones are bombing your own village. and you're pleased about it because killing isis.
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is that not a strange feeling for you? >> translator: it makes us happy. we want them wiped out. >> killers themselves know what they are talking about. he holds up his cloak. from a helicopter attack. isis shattered ordinary lives too. in a luxury village built for rich people who never came and hundreds of families who fled isis. >> it has to battle an idea, it appears to minds warped after decades of war. those in the taliban as radical enough. an idea no matter how hard you battle or bomb it. >> many homes are still occupied. much damage is irreversible. they killed this man's brother and shot him in the waste. he's left unable to provide for them. and isis still live in their home.
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isis savagery's first glimpse. they lined up opponents and detonated a bomb below them. the man who speaks is survived by his nephew. >> translator: my brother called our father to tell them the death was on facebook. we couldn't bury him as we didn't have a body. its pieces are probably still lying where he was blown up. >> reporter: decades of trauma here, but yet somehow it gets worse. one positive note for afghanistan, they are lacking isis frankly in sympathy and ground. but unfortunately the fight against them has distracted u.s. and afghan fire power from the more important fight against the taliban. chris, just think about this. that man targeted by u.s. fire power in the past when he was in the taliban now actually hoping the u.s. drones will attack his own village, his own home where isis are currently living. a potentially positive moment
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for afghanistan. >> the only given is violence is an everyday part of life. you and your team for take the risks to show us what the reality is on the ground. be safe, my friend. today's "new day", new you. popping an aspirin a day may help keep the doctor away. who says that. researchers found folks between ages of 50 and 59 who are at high risk for heart disease and low risk of bleeding may benefit most from a daily low dose aspirin regimen. it could reduce their risks of heart attacks, colon cancer. as always, got to check with your doctor before you try any of these things. alisyn >> the republican race looks like it is headed for a contested convention. donald trump accusing ted cruz of buying delegates. let's look at the dos and don'ts
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it is time for us to get inside this battle that we keep teeing up here. what's gonna happen beyond next week's new york primary? what's going to happen with the ultimate delegate cull? and what's going to happen if it doesn't go to 12-2-3-7 before w get to the convention? >> what does happen. and how does it all play out in a gop convention? here to walk us through and what's allowed and what isn't. is david. great to have you here with us. you know what it's a little confusing. >> it is. >> let's talk about the convention. >> the key numbers you want to see here is this 95 and this 57. all right? because most of overwhelming majority of delegates are bound on the first vote of the convention to how the primary and caucus results turned out.
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this is donald trump's best moment. he's winning those primaries and caucuses in big number, many of them. >> -- form of republican democracy. not gop. where people voted for you to be the delegate. you got picked to represent their votes. not to just change based on anything else. >> the problem becomes if you don't hit 1237, 50% plus one on the first vote, it goes to a second vote. and there only 57% of delegates are unbound. so that is a majority that become unbound. that is where the scramble begins. and that is what ted cruz and john kasich are fighting for every day now. >> let's talk that. pull up the map. you ready? >> yeah. >> one place -- hey that's not the map. >> there you go? >> no it isn't. >> oh look what you're doing. this is what happens -- that is what happens. >> can i show you what's going on in north carolina? >> south carolina. yes. >> south carolina. let's do that one. trump has the lions share of all
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the different district, okay. but something sneaky is going on where you can still court delegates away from him. >> you say sneaky. >> i do. >> and donald trump would say sneaky. ted cruz would say this is how the rules are set up. so it is not sneaky. donald trump won nearly every county in the state. he won every delegate in the state that night. it was a huge victory. but now they are in the process of assigning the human beings that are going to be the delegates on the floor. they do that through county and local processes and ted cruz was able to make headway and identify some delegates that will be loyal to him in successive ballots. >> once you become unbound. how many rounds are they bound for in south carolina? >> just one. >> okay. let's go to colorado. colorado you can use sneaky more. the state party has the right to make its own rules. but these rules are unusually
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divorcing the vote from the regular primary system. >> last fall, they highlighted colorado as they were trying to walk us through a process and they that i had colorado is a different animal. there is no primary or caucus that deals with presidential preference. so you don't have to really worry about colorado. but indeed we do. your right it is a different process. purely based on the state dimension, the local gathers of activists where they get assigned to become delegates but it is not based on any kind of caucus or primary result. and that is why ted cruz went in there this weekend and he was orz organized and he won all 34 delegates available. >> what you are allowed to promise and not? because the rules are fuzzy. you can let them have rides on private jets. hmm, donald trump has one of those. you can wine and dine them. you can give them expensive swag
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bags. who doesn't like those? you can also give them deals, political deals and platforms. then what you can't give them, supposedly you can't have them take money directly. that makes sense. they can't sell their votes. >> how are those two different? >> not only this how are these different from all the promises you can make them and all the perks. >> as you can see the rules are really lax. they were created 40 years ago after the 1976 fight between reagan and ford. there is no rules actually so the fec is looking into this now. one thing also not allowed is no corporations, no labor unions are allowed to actually give money to delegates. those groups are out but individual donors can. and remember back then super pacs weren't invented. all of these campaigns have super packs now. they have been paying for their advertising. there is nothing that says they are not going to find a way to pay for the delegates to spend a
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week i don't know in mar ago. mare la go. >> thanks. that was really helpful. >> there is a lot of news this morning. including john kasich's cnn town hall. let's get to it. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is tuesday april 12, 8:00 in the east and up first, a vintage tirade from donald trump. the republican front runner ripping his own party for rigging the system. why? because colorado awarded all of its delegates to ted cruz without holding a regular primary or caucus. so trump is insisting the fix is in. those are his words declaring that the entire process is dirty and disgusting. cruz is firing back, saying quilt whining. >> now on the democratic side,
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders sharpening their attacks ahead of saturday night's critical debate the new york primary is one week from today. we begin with phil mattingly. good morning. >> rules can be frustrating. rules can be very confusing particularly when looking into the republican politics or with this specific republican primary. yet those rules particularly on the state level have been set months and national level often decades. that doesn't mean donald trump doesn't have a big problem with them. and they have been his big primary target the last couple of days. >> it is a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. >> donald trump sounding off. >> it's a fix. said they are going to do it by delegate. oh isn't that nice. >> criticizing the primary system in colorado after losing all 34 state delegates to ted cruz over the weekend. rnc chairman reince priebus taking to twitter to defend the process, writing "the rules were set last year, nothing
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mysterious, nothing new. the rules have not changed." ted cruz also responding to trump's frustration at a rally in california. >> he yells and screams and stamps his foot. look, as we know in the state of california, wine is something best served with cheese. >> and blaming the front runner's losses on the failures of trump's own campaign. >> their team is not remotely organizing on the ground. it is not based on the people. donald is about donald. >> john kasich acknowledging the complex delegate rules a at cnn town hall last night. >> it is a bizarre process. i'm not really in the middle of it. >> colorado just the latest state where trump has within be maneuvered by cruise in key dealt fights. >> when everything is done i find i get less delegates than this guy that got has ass kicked. okay? give me a break. >> looking to new york to shift the tide back in his favor. >> lyin' ted cruz, folks.
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remember that. and he duds not like the people of new york and that came out loud and clear. >> even though his own children missed the registration deadline and won't be able to vote for their father in his home state. >> they were unaware of the rules. i think they have to register a year in advance and they didn't. so eric and ivanka i guess won't be voting. >> minus two votes for donald trump in the new york primary a week away. maybe something anderson coop herb could talk about tonight in the town hall. a ton of issues. for donald trump right now the issue is the rules but the issue is also the new york primary. 95 delegates and a an opportunity to really get a campaign back on track. >> interesting to see trump is on stage with his family. it was kasich's time last night. john kasich said he's stepping up his delegate game while calling the whole process bizarre. kasich and his family appearing
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with anderson cooper where he said nothing is going to stop him from going all the a way to the convention. >> so family members finally able to say all the nice things they want to say but think about the pressure they are under too. they are suddenly in the spotlight. you have teenage kids taking questions from the audience. i want to see what happens if kids deeply disagree with dad's policies and what could possibly go wrong. but in this format you don't have the opponent. you don't have yelling. you don't have insult, at least hopefully not because these are your family members. you might consider that a good thing or a bad thing in this form. but what you do get is an unusually personal view of the candidate as the person. >> the entire kasich family, center stage at a cnn town hall. >> i'm not that great, okay. i'm just -- honestly, i'm doing
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the best i can. >> you're pretty good at respecting us. >> well yeah. i surrendered to you long ago. >> the republican presidential candidate joined by his wife karen and twin daughters emma and reese, giving voters an intimate look at their life together. >> he's joust really godly, and really really fun. and sometimes a little silly. he's really loving. he's always checking up on us. >> and speaking glowingly about him and his bid for president. >> i'm super proud of the way je he's run the campaign. >> taking opportunity to reiterate his confidence that he'll win the nomination at the contested convention in july. >> i'm the only one that consistently beats hillary in the fall and it will become a very serious heavy matter when we get into that convention and it is all about the delegates. >> and rejecting talk that he could be tapped for donald trump's vp. >> i would be the worst vice
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president the country ever saw. you know why? pause i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> religious freedom bills making their way across the south. >> i may not appreciate a certain lifestyle or even approve of it. >> he just tries to tell jokes that he thinks are funny but -- [ laughter ] they're mostly just funny to us because they're dumb. >> he also thinks he's a really good dancer. >> got to go north south. and i'm really, really good. i'm just kidding. >> just ask him he'll tell you. >> i've gotten better. >> yeah but you are not going to
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go on dancing with the stars. >> kasichs opening up about issues confronting all families like bullying. >> as i tell my daughter, you need to stand up against it. and i think reese there was an occasion where you did, didn't you? this is a big, big deal and a big problem. and we've got to look out for our kids even when they are not our kids. >> an emotional moment kasich reveals how his family has changed his life. >> marrying karen, she's been just fantastic and such a great supporter and with the girls, you know, i love all oaf them so much. and that's where faith has to come in. because, you know, they are now driving. and it's every -- and, you know, reese had a boyfriend. emma has a boyfriend. is that a boyfriend that you have -- i don't know? is he, okay. you know at some point you have to let them go. you have to let them lead their own lives. and you have to have the faith that you did it the right way. >> you might say a refreshingly relaxed environment.
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this is not your usual town hall when you get questions like one of them last night when kasich was asked do you have a man cave and if so what is in it? >> always an important question. michelle kosinski, thank you. >> we're going to get the perspective on the state of play now especially with the big new york primary coming from a man who knows new york as well as you can know it. former mayor of new york rudy giuliani. he says he will be voting for donald trump in the primary next week. good to have you with us. >> hi chris, nice to see you. >> let's play what your man donald trump is saying this morning in brief. >> i'm millions of votes ahead. which they never even talk about. they talk about detects. and i'm hundreds of delegates ahead. but the system folks is rigged. it is a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. >> agent of change or stop whining? >> well reality is he's
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reflecting a lot of frustration on the grassroots of the republican party that that are voting for him and for cruz. this is sort of like grassroots against establishment. the establishment set up the rules, ended up putting a lot of discretion in the hands of delegate, much less than let's say the electoral college, where you are required to vote for the person that was elected in your state. so as the legitimate argument to make that the rules are rigged in favor of the people in washington dictating who the president should be. >> they knew about the rules. they were done last year. this is about being organized and getting after it. >> right. but the idea that cruz is against the washington establishment but he's kind of working to get the washington establishment on his side is a good argument for trump to make. >> another argument to be made. rudy giuliani. not known as a man in the middle. okay. you have an opinion, you have it. period.
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on this one, i am voting for donald trump but i am not endorsing donald trump. what is that about? >> difference is joining the campaign. i'm voting for them. i'll do whatever they would like me do but i'm not part of the campaign apparatus. i don't speak for the campaign. >> you are a big public official. you endorse people. >> when i endorse somebody, i join their campaign. i join their campaign staff. the campaign staff sends me out to do speeches and do things like that. donald is a very very good friend. i believe he would be the best candidate. i think he would be the person i would like too see win. i don't know his campaign staff. i don't know who they are. >> why don't you go the full christie. >> because i don't know his campaign staff. maybe christie does. >> you want to keep it this way. >> i'm voting for donald trump. i'm urging othering to vote for donald trump but i'm not joining the campaign in anyway. i don't know the campaign. i don't know what apparatus is there. i don't know who the people are. >> do you have concerns? >> sure. yeah. i agree with donald probably on
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8 out of 10 positions, which is good enough for me. that's what i agreed with ronald reagan on. he was my hero. but i have concerns an immigration and thr tlings i have to talk out first before i go as far as a endorsement. build up of military. i'd like to hear more about what he's going to do. put more troops in nato in order to push putin back a bit. i'm a very conservative republican on foreign policy. and on domestic policy, social issues i tend to be moderate. some republicans even think i'm liberal. on foreign policy and economic i'm very conservative. and i've heard a lot about supporting the troops which i like. but i haven't heard a lot on how much are we going to build up this military? for example we need to double the size of our navy to push china back in the south china sea. i like the idea that donald
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wants to conduct economic competition with china. i think that is very very smart. one of the few people talking about it. one of the few people who understands it. but you need to couple that with a very very strong navy. with a two ocean navy that pushes back the militaristic instincts. >> and how do you do that? so that becomes something that as an open issue. the delegates if he doesn't get 50% plus one. that it is 1237 number. it goes then to convention. what is your concern that happens after that first round of voting. >> my concern is if they go way off the charts. if trump is four, five, six eight votes short. they got to give it to him. >> why? >> why? because the will of the republican party is basically to have him as the candidate. if he's a lot short and cruz is close, it would be legitimate to make a choice between him and cruz to. go to a candidate who has no votes or 300 voted compared to
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their thousand i would be telling the grassroots of the republican party we don't care about you. >> -- starter. >> i like john a lot. i think he would make a good vice president. i think he would make a good president. >> he doesn't. >> everybody doesn't. they saul that. but the reality is john has too few votes. the grassroots of the republican party have selected two people as the two they like the most. it is between the two of them. >> you have concerns. let's take off your public figure hat and put on the usa hat, the prosecutor hat. you have concerns about what people may do or not do where delegates are involved in trying to curry favor. what are your concerns? >> i think you have to be really careful. each would have been these. they should probably get me or an assistant u.s. attorney to come in and lecture them. you can't offer anything of value in terms for a vote. this is not just a private club.
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you are getting a nomination to a federal office. >> you can take them on private planes and fly them places. i. >> kbrae but better not be a discussion like hey you got my private plane and i got your vote. >> no quid pro quo. >> sounds gray. >> no quid pro quo. have to be careful. for example you can't offer the vice presidency beforehand in exchange for support. you have to be careful how you do this. >> what do you think happens here in new york? >> i think in new york donald gets over 55 or better. i think he wins if not all of the congressional delegates, most of them. you have to remember something about new york republican party that nobody understands. we've taken out of the republican party a lot of conservatives. there is a conservative party. it is not like new jersey or connecticut. so 3 to 5% of people who would normally be conservative voting for cruise, they are out of the party. >> right.
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>> so this is basically a trump/kasich party as opposed to cruz. cruz really doesn't have a big core of support. plus his remarks about new york make him a figure of some ridicule by the "daily news" and places like that. >> where do you come down on that? -- >> yeah probably. >> or do you think he was talking about new york in general. >> i think he was talking about new york political ideology. i think it was -- he said it in a way that made it sound like he was talking about all of new york. so he's got to take responsibility for that. like donald has to for some of the things he said. he said it in a way which you had a right to interpret it as he insulted all of us. but that isn't what cruz meant. what he meant is what he regards is very liberal left wing ideology. >> mayor rudy giuliani. thank you for being with us on "new day." we're teeing up what's going on. tonight at 9:00 eastern, it is donald trump's turn. trump and his whole family. his wife, his daughter, his son.
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they are all going to take questions from new york voters in the next cnn republican presidential town hall hosted by our man anderson cooper. then tomorrow night, texas senator ted cruz, his wife heidi in the spotlight. starts tonight 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. chilling video is surfacing this morning for moments after former new orleans saints nfl star will smith was shot dead. investigators are now scrambling to determine what exactly happened that fateful night. martin salvidge is live in new orleans. >> reporter: good morning michaela. the wife of will smith, jaqueline, she continues to recover. she was wounded in the leg as a result of the shooting. this community is still in shock and there are a lot of questions and those questions this morning are only getting stronger.
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>> dead. >> there's a dead man over there is this. >> yeah. >> new video releases moments after the killing of the will smith. reveals the shock of united nationss a-- eye witnesses and the sounds of of his wife. pleading for help. in the video you also see the suspect cardale hayes and the passenger in his car being handcuffed by police. an eye witness describes the deadly altercation after smith was rear-ended. claims the former nfl star claims he also had a gun. [inaudible]
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>> reporter: police say they have only recovered one weapon. and that is hayes's handgun. >> i can tell you that my client was not the aggressor in terms of the behavior that happened after the accident. >> and my apologies, it is raquel smith as the wife who is recovering in the hospital. other video that's come to light. the attorney representing the alleged gunman in this case has come forward to say, look, it did not just begin and end at this intersection. and to light now is this video that's come forward. it is surveillance video from earlier in the evening just a few blocks down the street. and it shows the orange hummer that is being driven by hayes the alleged gunman. and behind it though is the silver mercedes suv that it's believed will smith and his wife are driving. and at one point you see the suv come close and the hummer appears to pull to the side as if to maybe stop and inspect.
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and instead the silver suv goes around and the hummer gives chase. this is exactly why the defense attorney has said there is a lot more to this story. and it is also what's intensifying the questions this morning alisyn. >> absolutely. it is more complicated but hopefully they will get to the bottom of how this could have happened. thank you for that reporting. >> back to politics. hillary clinton and bernie sanders in a fight for the hearts and minds of course and the votes the new york democrats. remembers your height. when systems can help sense your surroundings. and when cameras change your perspective. that's the more human side of engineering. experience what a lincoln can do for you at the lincoln spring collection event. right now lease a 2016 lincoln navigator for $599 a month, or get 0% apr for 60 months.
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the race for the democratic presidential nomination heating up over policy with the new york primary just a week away. >> i started co-sponsoring the dream act back in 2002 or 3. and i consistently did that. senator sanders by contrast was supporting vigilantes. >> secretary clinton and her state department worked to export fracking throughout the world. in my view that is unacceptable. >> joining us to talk about all this is former new york city council speaker christine quinn, who was favored to succeed michael bloomburg but lost to bill de blasio.
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knows all too well the challenges hillary clinton faces now in new york. they say they are talking about policy. but are their attacks getting too barbed? >> i think it is very clear that senator sanders knows that it is basically impossible for him to win this nomination. secretary clinton -- >> does he? because he said he still has a path. he's eating into her delegate count and he has a path. >> the math is clear. there is no way for him to get enough delegates and i think that is why you see senator sanders really taking the low road and why you see him, you know, coming out with thesis attacks that are really largely baseless and very [ inaudible ] and i think that is often unfortunately what happens when a candidate see it is road coming to an end. >> and he says that her attacks aren't fair. particularly about how he supported vigilantes.
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e said no i do not support vigilantes. that is a horrific statement. an unfair statement. >> i think secretary clinton was clearly laying out the distinctions between her long time paralleled record of support for true comprehensive immigration reform that really builds on the history of this country. and this state as a state of immigrants. and the senator's record on immigration, which is nowhere near hers in really committing to really making this country open to everyone. >> so do you see similarities between hillary clinton in this contest against bernie sanders, who of course is running to the left of her and what you went through with bill de blasio and if so what lessons can you share. >> -- women candidates have to do everything male candidates have to do but have to do it backwards and in high heels. and there is no real debating that women candidates are often held to a higher standard.
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>> why is that? why is it harder for women candidate? >> i think that is a question that deserves a long sociological answer on the history of women in the united states. but the truth is we are held to a higher standard and that is the reality and that is in fact what secretary clinton has fought against and succeeded against her entire career. and not for herself. but to open up a path for women and girls around the world to make sure that, that isn't the case for them as they get older and they seek to fulfill their dreams in politics or whatever field is their calling. >> vice president joe biden talked about this very thing yesterday. he did this online interview. and he talked about the appeal, to him, of a female candidate. listen to this. >> this country is ready for a woman. there is no problem. we're going to be able to elect a woman in this country. >> would you like to see us elect a woman in this country.
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>> i would like to see a woman elected. >> so he'd like to see a woman elected but he's not using hillary clinton's name. why is he being vague about that. >> he's the sitting vice president of the united states. and i think it would be inappropriate for him or the president for that matter to come out and make a choice in the democratic primary. that is not what sitting presidents or sitting vice presidents do. but there is only one woman running for president of the united states and vague is not usually a word used, god bless him, with joe biden. i don't think he was vague at all. i think he was crystal clear. probably a little beyond what he might even have been. but that's the glory of joe biden as well. and just as vice president bind predicted with marriage equality he was correct we would have it in the country. i think he's making a similar prediction that we will have our first female president of the united states and the country will be so much better for it.
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>> and isn't it interesting to hear young women who talk about the idea of just voting for someone because they are a woman seems to them to be sexist. they think we're past that. >> i don't think anybody should vote for anybody for one reason. i'm not voting for hillary clinton just because she's a woman. is it thrilling to me and exciting the idea of making history and i like to think of myself as young woman? of course it is. but there are so many reasons to vote for secretary clinton. you can't touch her record. no one else can. from fighting for healthcare from before it was on the agenda. from taking women's rights issues to the international stage. it was she who said for the first time ever on the world stage that women's rights for human rights. and then later as secretary of state said lgbt rights for human rights. no one had taken those kind of issues onto the international stage the way she has. and let's not forget, as new yorkers. she was by our side after
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the son of a powerful former california lawmaker convicted in the stabbing death of a college student. luis santos is now --. the family or rather sentence was drastically reduced by governor arnold schwarzenegger on his last day of office. the family sued to overturn but were unsuccessful.
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joining us are the parents, fred and cathy santos. i can imagine it's been a trying week for the two of you. two days ago the killer of your son walked out of jail. i know you have known this day was coming since about 2011. kathy how did you get through that day? >> well it's made me pretty heartsick. we actually went up to the cemetery to pay our respects to our son. >> fred, i know saturday october 4, 2008 was likely the hardest, worst day of your life. the day your son died. how are you doing? how are you doing as the family? how is your daughter doing? >> we're doing okay. given the circumstances we're all very emotional. and we're all saddened. old wounds get reopened. but we're trying to manage and get together with help of friends and family. >> times like this that is when
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you lean on one another. i know the power in that. i can imagine when you learned of the clemency being granted by governor schwarzenegger shortly before he was going out of office. i understand you were told by a reporter that called the house. that must have felt like a wound being reopened. >> yes. that was. even during the investigation and the trial, or the court hearings leading to the trial, that was my biggest concern that politics would rob us of justice. >> well speaking of politics -- >> and it did. >> well it did. politics has played a part in this. and you feel that way and others as well. here a statement from fabian nunez's family. it reads in part that that say he has paid his debt to society. what is your reaction to that kathy? >> paid the debt -- oh i'm
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sorry. >> no either one of you can. >> yeah. right, i feel like that is so untrue. he paid a part of the debt that he pled to. i feel that that is a silly statement. of course he's not paid his debt. >> he got away with murder to start with by pleading to a lesser sentence. and then of course once they got sentenced to the maximum allowed by law they didn't like the sentence. so they went shopping for a better one. and of course they went and to the political route. >> when they took the political route, fabian nunez, the former state assemblyman was quite friendly with then governor swartsd negativer. i understand governor schwarzenegger reached out and sent a letter to you after that. i have it in my hand. i've read through it and it doesn't apologize for granting clemency to your son's killer. more apologizing really for the last-minute nature of this.
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and then he went on to say that he didn't intend to cause your further pain. walk us through what it felt like to receive this letter from the governor. >> i feel like -- he sent that letter after a lot of backlash. he had been asked by several sources, did you notify the family? and the district attorney also asked him that, did you o notify the family? so there was pressure on him after the fact. so the letter came a week letter. to me it was very insincere. we feel like it was written by staffers. there was really no point in it. it was to sort of save his grace i guess. >> i was in california the time this all happened and i remember very clearly politicians both on the right and on the left. i remember newspaper editorials decrying this commutation of
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nunez's sense. does that small comfort to you fred? >> well there is no comfort for us. our son is dead. no matter what. so yes, it does help a little bit that everybody seemed to be on our side and condemn his action. but it doesn't bring us any pau peace. >> kathy tell me about your boy. i know he was known as mr. personality. >> right. well he was very popular. very charming. he had a great sense of humor. he had a lot of friends. he was the type of person that if he sat next to you on a airplane he would know your whole life story. yeah. he was very entertaining. and he was a family favorite for all the generations. >> and he had your beautiful smile. kathy, fred, thank you for joining us today. it is a very difficult time for your family. our best to you.
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we hope you stay strong during this difficult time. >> thank you so much. >> alisyn. okay. well, back to politics. governor john kasich pinning his presidential hopes on a contested convention. [ clearing throat ] ng happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... ...in one week. with the... fastest retinol formula. ...to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®. i missed a payment. aw, shoot. shoot! this is bad. no! we're good! this is your first time missing a payment. and you've got the discover it card, so we won't hike up your apr for paying late. that's great! it is great! (both simultaneously) thank you. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness.
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ohio governor john kasich telling new york voters at cnn's town hall last night that he is staying in the race. although he would be the worst vice president ever, according to him. joining us now national communications advisor and
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spokesman for kasich for america, trent duffty. good to have you. les deal with the good news first. take a look at numbers in new york and upcoming pennsylvania. big states. northeast, regional appeal. very important. kasich moving into asked. still half of trump but the best showing we've seen in any significant contest. that's new york. pennsylvania again, the ratio better for kasich but again showing he's moved into a competitive situation. now the less good news. also known as the bad news. look at the delegate count. 746 for trump. 538 for droouz cruz. 145 for kasich. notable, not in the race, marco rubio still has more delegates than john kasich. hasn't won any state except ohio. hasn't won a delegate in a month. is he viable? he can't win. mathematically he needs more than a hundred percent of the remaining delegates.
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why should he still be in the race? >> we got some delegates over the weekend and we continue to get delegates as the selection process goes forward. we've got a very active team so that is going to be a positive. we're getting good traction there. but he should stay in the race because one, he's the best person to be the commander in chief the president of the united states and he's going to lay out today in a speech he's calling two paths, a real choice for the republican voters and the country as a whole. do we want hope or anger? action as opposed to division? and he's the one who can bring not only the party together but the country and that is his path forward and why you are seeing him moving up the polls in these states coming. >> what do you tell your brother and sister goppers when they say yeah but nob's voting for him. they are voting for cruz and for trump. shouldn't it be between them. >> they are voting for john kasich and as they see he's the
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best candidate and able to win in the general election in november, those brothers and sisters and the republican party and independents that have voted for john kasich are continuing to vote for him and that is what this comes down to as we get to the convention in cleveland. there is a long way to go until then and we still have to go in a general election and there is only one candidate who can win in november and that is john kasich. so the more people hear that the more people say that he's the one offering a plan of action and optimism, we feel confident that we're going to get their support. >> so for those in the audience just getting to know you a little bit. you know the game very well. you are a former deputy communications person at the white house. you know how this works. you know a lot of people at the party's upper echelons. paint for me the scenario by which it goes to convention and kasich winds up being the one to come out of it. >> well this is a process that i don't have any experience in because it's never happened in my particular career. but the bottom line is at the convention there is pretty much
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one rule that matters most and that is a majority of the delegates can decide the rule, can decide the nominee and can decide pretty much what happens. so since no candidate is going to go to the convention with a majority of the delegates in hand it is going to be up to the delegates at the convention to make all of these decisions. and throughout his career, john kasich has served not only in the congress but in the state of ohio. he's produced a very, very positive record of job creation, glisht and bringing people together on both sides of the aisle. and we feel confident that as it gets that second, third ballot and people are thinking about who can win a general election and ho who's best to protect the senate and republicans in down ballot races, people are going to think long and hard about that and that's john kasich. >> i've never heard the governor denigrate himself about anything as much as he does about having a vice president. he says i'd be the worst times a thousand. do you believe he's completely closed off to the possibility of
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joining the ticket of one of these other two gentlemen to bring the party together? >> well, having watched and known the governor for several years, i know one thing. he's a man of his ward. and he does like to be the executive. and he's proven he is a good executive. very good. successful at the state level and even the congressional level. i take him at his word that he's not interested in being a vice president and that is why he's campaigning so hard as we go forward. >> trent duffy, thank you very much for making the case for the ohio governor this morning on "new day." >> good to be with you chris. hillary clinton is facing growing attacks from both sides of the presidential race. sanders sla--. we'll get the clinton campaign response nt. prepare for challenges specific to your business
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>> turning us to clinton's campaign press secretary brian fallon. >> thanks for having me. >> incoming from the left and right for hillary clinton. do you worry that these stepped up attacks will cut into her lead in new york and threaten the outcome here is this. >> well i do think that the margin in new york is going to be very tight. but we're confident at the end of the day that we'll prevail in new york. new york is really a must win state for senator sanders. and that is why i think you are seeing him sort of bob and weave between different lines of attack. i think what you are finding is that new york, the spotlight doesn't shine any brighter than here. the scrutiny is never more intense. and so senator sanders isn't a way to get e. rather untested and i think that is important in the minds of democratic voters because we are looking t a presidential
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election against potentially donald trump. hillary clinton is the candidate. bernie sanders is untested. >> you say you think the margin will be very tight. not at the moment. the latest poll, hillary clinton has 51% compared to bernie sanders 39%. we've learned during this race that polls can be wrong. excuse me, i'm fight a flu. that polls can be wrong. so you think that it is going to narrow much more. >> we know senator sanders is going to spend millions on television and continue his attacks on hillary clinton. so i wouldn't be surprised if things tightened. but i think senator clinton, secretary clinton has a good story to tell based on her time representing new york. we were telling a story how she brought businesses and governments together to help expand markets so that small businesses and retailers in upstate new york could help expand their retail base. and as a result we saw economic
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development increase across upstate new york. that is the model she would want to follow as president. >> donald trump has been making the point that the raw votes are not always reflected in the delegate count. and he has been holding up bernie sanders as an example of what goes wrong there. listen to this. >> every weekend i see the results come in. bernie sanders wins. and he wins. and he wins. and then these people are saying he can't win. because the system is rigged. >> so bernie -- to donald trump's point, bernie sanders has won 8 out of the last 9 contests. yet he is not able to cut into her super delegate lead or even her delegate lead. is the system rigged in that way? >> i don't think so. these are the rules that have long been in place. i think what you are seeing from donald trump there is the same you have seen for months from the republican national committee trying to help out senator sanders. it is clear they want to run against senator sanders in the general election. in terms of the rules that we
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have on the democratic side, senator sanders has won a bunch of states recently but they have been caucus states that haven't had a lot of delegates at stake. and really i think when you talk about rigging the system that is what senator sanders is trying to do now. hillary clinton has won in a popular vote by a wide margin. she's got more than 2 million vote over senator sanders in all the contests when you add them up. he's won more states. she's won more pledge delegates so now that is forcing senator sanders to go out and talk about the idea that he wants to try to flip super delegates and get him to over turn the will of the people -- >> again, this is part of the rules. you can court away delegates. >> absolutely. it is permitted under the rules. my point is if anybody is trying to rig the system right now to over turn the will of the people it is senator sanders. >> do you believe he will turn some of the super delegates? >> have absolutely not.
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-- i think the people are looking at senator sanders, they are seeing that interview he gave last week and saying he's untested. he can't stand up to the scrutiny. secondly, who's going to have a down ballot effect. we have a real potential to not just -- [ slow down ] >> hillary clinton is doing that. senator sanders is raising money for himself. he's not doing anything to invest -- >> thanks so much for being on "new day." and thanks for all of you for watching. "newsroom" after the break. this is your first time missing a payment. and you've got the discover it card, so we won't hike up your apr for paying late. that's great! it is great! (both simultaneously) thank you. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness.
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