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much. i'll be going live on facebook after the show to answer questions about the 2016 election. join me at facebook.com/cnn. that's it for "the lead" today. i'm jake tapper. turning you over to mr. wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thanks for watchinging. happening now, big, fat, beautiful lie. donald trump takes aim at hillary clinton saying, everything about her is a lie. but is trump looking ahead too soon to a possible november matchup? when he may be facing a possible contested gop convention. staying home. worried by the impact of the trump and cruz candidacies and house speaker paul ryan ruling himself out of the race. some republican leaders and key lawmakers say they'll skip the convention and focus in on voters back home. cry for help. after their boat capsizes at sea, three sailors swim two miles to a deserted, remote,
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pacific island and spell out the word help on the beach, setting off an extraordinary chain of events. and un-precedented. after boating he has a miniaturized nuclear warhead, north korea's kim jong-un may be getting ready for a first-ever test of a quick strike mobile missile that could reach parts of the united states. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get right to the breaking news. as donald trump attacks what he calls a rigged gop delegate system, ted cruz now says trump is worried that he'll become known as losin' donald. cruise has scored a string of victories. trying to deprive trump of a first round convention victory. not identifying with either trump or cruz, or an open
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rebellion by trump supporters, gop leaders and prominent lawmakers will skip the convention. some republicans hoping he would ride to the rescue and lead the party of out a potential disaster, paul ryan says, count me out, yhe won't seek or accep the nomination. guests will have full coverage of the top stories. as donald trump slams the gop system and ted cruz slams trump, john kasich is hoping to pick up the pieces. we again with our political reporter, sara murray. cruz is giving trump a bit of a taste of his own medicine today. what's the latest? >> that's right. donald trump has made no secret of the fact he thinks this business of running for president is an unfair process stack against him. now ted cruz is fed up and he's calling donald trump out. because we know, in the state of california, whine is something best served with cheese.
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>> reporter: tonight, ted cruz is on the attack, claiming donald trump is whining about the election. >> donald loves to call people a loser. donald wakes up at night in cold sweats that people will call him losin' donald. that is his ultimate fear. >> reporter: as trump fires off his latest grievance. >> it's a corrupt system, it's a totally corrupt, rigged system. >> reporter: saying the gop primary process is fixed. after he came up short in louisiana and colorado. >> i end up winning louisiana and then when everything is done i find out i get less delegates than this guy that got his ass kicked. okay? give plme a break! >> reporter: back on the trail in new york where a new quinnipiac poll puts him on top. compared to 20% for john kasich,
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and 19% for ted cruz. but as trump grows ex-as serr e serrated over the fight for delegates, rance priebus is tweet, the rules were set last year. nothing mysterious, nothing new. trump is already eyeing the general election. tearing into hillary clinton. >> her whole life has been a big, fat, beautiful lie. it's been a terrible, terrible lie. everything about her is a lie. >> reporter: telling "usa today," he's ready to forgive and forget and may ask a political rival like john kasich, marco rubio, or scott walker to join the ticket. a suggestion walker struggled to take seriously. >> i literally heard it in the car and i laughed. >> reporter: kasich has no interest in a vp slot. >> i would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. you know why? i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> reporter: the ohio governor hoping his on mftic approach can
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take hold with a frustrated electorate. >> for those angry, afraid, i want to assure you there is another, better way. >> reporter: kasich scolding his gop rivals in a speech from new york today without ever mentioning them by name. >> some who feed off the fears and anger felt by some of us and exploited, feed their own insatiable desires for fame or attention. that could drive america down into a ditch and not make us great again. >> reporter: now, wolf, donald trump is campaigning in new york today. for the first time since the campaign reset they seem to be laying groundwork for states further down the field. he's going to be in pennsylvania tomorrow. and today the campaign announced a california state director. >> thanks i have much. sara murray reporting. donald trump is holding a rally now in rome, new york. let's listen in briefly.
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hear what he has to say. >> you can do this, this guy gave you $1 million, this guy gave you $10 million. this group or this country gave you $5 million. you can't do it. they say, okay, i won't do it. with me, they didn't give me anything, folks. okay? i'm working for you. i'm working for you. so, our republican system, our republican system is absolutely rigged. it a phony deal. now what do i know? i started running like nine months ago. who would have thought i would have been in first place? what do i know, right? what do i know? but i'm in first place by a lot. millions and millions of votes. that doesn't count. you know notice, nobody talks about votes. i have millions of votes more, but i also have hundreds of delegates more but that's not the same thing to me. i think the vote is the thing
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that you cap, right? the vote. and you look at some of the systems where the people that devise them, and this had to do with ron paul, it had to do they wanted to keep people out. this was a dirty trick. this is a dirty trick. the rnc, republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen, i can tell you that. they should be ashamed of themselves. because it has nothing to do with democracy. they took the votes away from the people in colorado. people are burning up their republican cards because they want to vote. you've got to see what's happening out there. it's actually a thing of beauty if you want to know the truth. they're not going to take it. they may -- may be shoved down their face, who knows. you know what, they're fighting
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and they're all over the place. and they're angry. their votes have been taken away. we've already been disenfranchised. you look at what's going on, if you think about it, the economy is rigged. the banking system is rigged. there's a lot of things that are rigged in this world of ours, and that's why a lot of you haven't had an effective wage increase in 20 years, folks. we're going to change it. we're going to change it. change it fast. so, i'm no fan of bernie sanders, right? believe me. we do have one thing in common. what's the one thing? we actually do. trade. he knows we're being ripped off and i know we're being ripped off. we're being rip off big. i'll make unbelievable deals he doesn't know what to do. he just knows being ripped off. but bernie sanders, i will say
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this, for the last five weeks, you turn on your television, sanders wins. sanders wins. again, sanders wins. like seven or eight or nine, he keeps winning. and then you listen to the people and the pundits and say, he has no chance of winning. i say what's goingen? because you have superdelegates -- by the way i think the republicans have worst system than the democrats but they have superdelegates. it makes it impossible for a guy that wins to win. it's a crook the system, folks. it's a crooked system. it really is a crooked system. you know, again, i don't care who wins over there, i'll take on either one of them. i sort of had my heart set on hillary, to be honest with you. and her whole life, remember this, her whole life has been one big lie. it's been one big lie.
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and you go back and you look at white water and you look at her cattle deal. remember the cattle deal. she made the highest percentage practically in the history of cattle making. i wonder why that happened. you take a look. look at this horrible scandal with e-mails, probably being protected, probably being protected because people who did 5% of what she did had their lives destroyed and her life is just fine. it looks like she'll be the candidate and in a certain way that's the one i want to run against. we'll beat her so badly. we're going to beat her badly. you know, when ronald reagan -- i've had some -- i had 17 people coming at me, they said, please, please, my wife and daughter,
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daddy, please be more presidential. i said wait a minute, wait a minute, i've got 17 people throwing barbs at me, i've got to take them out before i become presidential don't i, right? you know, they mean be nice. we have two leftovers right now. we can't be nice, we can't be nice until we win it. when i first started, jeb bush had it made. he was going to win. he was presumptive. in florida, speak about unfair. i've got to tell you, speak about what's unfair. florida you had 99 delegates and jeb bush had it set, jeb bush, or rubio, both of them, they had it set so the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that i didn't get anything. and so, it was all set, it was set in steel. 99 delegates, winner gets all. then the first poll came out. trump, 48, jeb, 16, rubio, 12. and they said, oh!
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right? they said, oh, this is terrible. we got to change it. so they made a move to change it where you get proportion. but it was too late. i said no way you can do it. we put up a bit of a rack cusp i will say this, in florida, it was set so i wouldn't get it, and it was set tinnwinner take . it was the governor who was going to get it, the past governor, or future of the republican party, which was marco, right? i -- i want to be nice. only marco. no first name. we don't do that anymore. you know why we don't do it anymore? because we won. we don't do it anymore. no, it's going to be marco. by the way, a nice guy. marco's a nice guy. he went don rickles on me. i'm sure jeb is a nice guy.
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he was too busy doing negative ads. the guy spent $48 million on ads, many against me, negative ads. remember they did florida. and you remember the outcry when the first poll came out, i was close to 50 and they were in the teens and they said, wow, what are we going to do? and i ended up winning by 20 points, we had -- it was a landslide. it was a landslide. >> all right. you get a little gist of what donald trump is saying today. he's in rome, new york, upstate new york. there's a critically important rhy primary in new york city. way ahead in the polls. he's going harshly on the republican national committee, the republican establishment, saying the republican system is rigged, it's a phony system. the rnc should be ashamed of themselves. what's going on in some states as far as delegates are concerned, this is not democracy at all. he's also going after hillary clinton saying she is one big
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lie. joining us a key donald trump supporter, scotty nell hughes listening with all of us. stand by. i want to continue this conversation. we're going to continue to monitor developments up in rome, new york where donald trump is still speaking. we'll take a quick break. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals,
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we're back. joinings now, scotty nell hughes of usa radio networks, a donald trump supporter. thanks for joining us. you just heard donald trump, he really went after the republican
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establishment, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves. he said, why do you think he feels like this so hashly against the republican party? >> let's look at it. they started off this whole election season by front loading the primary and caucus schedule with hopes that the establishment or the anti-insurgent candidate would never have a chance. they were not expecting a candidate like donald trump or ted cruz. he has due cause. as pointed out in florida, that was a state they were hoping winner take all for a candidate like jeb bush or marco rubio and it didn't work out for them. i'm not quick to jump on the whole bandwagon of blaming the rnc. a believe a lot of the blame falls on the state. in the case of colorado they did make their rules in august, 24 unanimous s.e.c. members made that vote to take away, i think, the voting rights of gop coloradans and that's what's resulted in the frustration today, voters burning their
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cards and feeling like they don't have a vote or being part of the election process of the candidate that represents colorado. >> but, scotty, you know what the rnc chairman rance priebus tweeted, rules were set last year, nothing mysterious, nothing new, rules are the same. nothing different. the criticism of the trump campaign is, they weren't prepared for the rules, they didn't examine the rules, they didn't know, for example, in colorado what the rules were, that's why they lost. >> well, that's probably true. but you have to remember, mr. trump is self-funding his campaign. there's a big difference when spending donor dollars and millions given to you by a pac fund. senator cruz started filling out his delegation for these states in january 2015. he is an excellent politician, someone who has as much establishment as somebody else
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except his voting record that seems conservative. he knows how the game united states played. i think back in january 2015 he was not expecting to run against a candidate that would be part of the conservative base and this has taken by surprise. he's played the game very well in caucus states, states like colorado. it comes down to votes and delegates, something mr. trump is winning overwhelmingly. 6.2 million people voted for mr. trump compared to 3.5 million for senator ted cruz. so i don't think you could say mr. trump is scared or cryinging like senator cruz makes him out to be. mr. trump is definitely winning the gop presidential race. >> i don't think those numbers are precise. he's up by 2 million over cruz, i don't think it's 3 million. we'll double collect on that. cnn has learned that several high profiled republicans are not considering the possibility of skipping the republican
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national convention in cleveland in july to campaign back home instead. what does that say, house and senate republicans, others, would rather stay home than presumably want to be associated with donald trump and what they think will be a messy convention. >> i think that is quite foolish of them. i can relate. i wanted to stay home in 2012 when they gave me romney and in 2008 they gave me mccain. i became an adult and a lot of conservatives became an adult, anything we lad to offer was better than what the democrat option was. we still lost but we had the blame game, it was conservatives' fault the reason barack obama was re-elected to a second term i would hope they would grow up and be more mature. if they feel like their worried about their own voters voting them out, maybe considering we've had just absolute record breaking totals at the polls
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this year, maybe they need to look at their own voter record and decide if they're representing conservatives or the republican party or consider switching parties. >> scotty, thanks very much. scottie hughes joining us. appreciate it. important note to all viewers. stay with cnn for a remarkable town hall meeting. donald trump, his wife, children, all taking questions from new york voters ahead of that state's crucial primary next week. tomorrow night, ted cruz and his wife will do the same, starting 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. anderson cooper will moderate those town halls. we'll take a quick break. will t lots of other news coming into "the situation room" after this. or moroccan or something else. so i jumped at the chance to take the dna test through ancestry. and my results ended up being african, european and asian. it just confirmed what i guess people had seen in me all my life.
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prospect of contested gop convention looms larger, paul ryan won't be coming to the rescue, he won't seek or accept the presidential nomination. let's turn to senior political reporter manu ragu covering the story. any wiggle room at all? >> reporter: absolutely not. not much different than what paul ryan has been saying over the last several weeks. there's no way i'm going to run for president but the chatter has been around maybe ryan could be a late entrant into the race if we head into a contested convention and get into second and third ballot and republican need to find someone who could unify the party but he's tried to tamp down that speculation and made crystal clear, if there is a second ballot, it should only be someone who has run for
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president. >> if no candidate has majority on the first ballot i believe you should only choose from a person who actually participated in the primary. count me out. i'll leave it up to delegates at rules committee to decide that. i really believe, if you want to be president, you should run for president, and when we select a nominee, we should be selecting among people who actually ran for the job. >> reporter: ryan said the delegates should write a rule, saying no one who has not run for president can be considered on the floor if we head into second, third, fourth ballot. he did not rule out the possibility of perhaps someone who has run for president but dropped out sincing like a marco rubio, jeb bush, scott walker being that late entrant. he said that's up to the delegates. that's a question going forward. clearly, wolf, he does not think that he should be considered, even if the party is in disarray during an unpredictable
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convention. >> also hearing from top republicans, they want no part of what could be a rather messy convention in cleveland. >> reporter: absolutely. republicans up for re-election do not want to be tied too closely to the top of the ticket especially if we head into the scene, even donald trump suggested perhaps it could be riots if he doesn't get the nomination. hearing from top republicans advising members to stay home, have rallies back home, have town hall meetings, don't come to cleveland is the message i'm hearing given to some folks in tough elections. kelly ayotte told me unlikely to go to the convention. i ran into jeb bush today. i asked if he was going to the convention in july. he said no. folks are starting to distance themselves to what could be a messy and ugly fight. >> let's bring our experts, cnn political commentator, peter beinart, contributing editor at
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atlantic media, dana bash, cnn political commentator, anna na narrow and ryan lizza, correspondent for the new york magazine. speaker ryan ruled himself out of the presidential race. many thought he could be nominated from the floor of the convention. he also said he wouldn't run for speaker but wound upping about the speaker. what could running for president do to his political future? >> i think paul ryan is smart enough to know that his chances of winning would be very slim. that's partly because of the way he would win the nomination. it would so much anger towards him. not just from donald trump's folks but ted cruz's people as well. he would have alienated so many people have that already participated in the process who are invested in the idea of nominating donald trump or ted cruz i think his ability to unify the republican party in a short period of time and be to what will be a pretty unified
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democratic party would be very, very slim. he's right. the wiser play for him is to try to do a good job as speaker. he's a young guy. he could be running in 2020. there's no lurie. this would be a poisoned challis to inand the nomination the way he could win it now. >> a huge future ahead of him. he's only 46. good point. dana, as you heard, high profile republicans, they're considering skipping the entire republican convention, including many facing tough re-election battles in their home states. what does that signal to you? >> it doesn't surprise me, i should say there's been great reporting from our hill team, including manu and deidra walsh. take a step back, already, if you look at the way that these have youer inable members of congress behaved when the primary has been in their state, like kelly ayotte in new hampshire, she could not get far enough from the narrative and
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blows being thrown there. she has to be involved in some way, shape or form because she is a senior elected republican official. but it does these members of congress no good to be in the middle of a political fight when if they are in a purple state -- keeping new hampshire as an example -- all they want to do is convince voters back home they are not about the party, not about any party. they're about helping their constituents do the best job that they can do. so that doesn't surprise me. it is a little bit of a shame, considering the fact it does tend to be a place where party leaders can gather, you know, and really have conversations in a way that only does happen every four years. but you know, again, not surprising to me. >> they want to get themselves re-ele re-elected. ryan, as you know, john kasich joined donald trump in
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commenting on the bizarre nominating process for the republicans. while trump continues to rail against the delegate selection process we just heard what he had to say. the rnc chairman, tweeted last night, the rules were set last year, nothing mysterious, nothing new. the rules have not changed. the rules are the same. nothing din. here's the question, as the republican heaparty done enough explain the issue to the public out there? >> i don't think they have. i mean, the truth of the matter is, nobody's had to focus on this for so many elections because the nominees have won on the first ballot by winning primaries and caucuses and winning majority of the bound delegates for a long, long time. last really contested convention was 1976. and the last time that either party has had a convention where it went to the second ballot was 1952, so ever since both parties reformed their systems in late
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'60s and early '70s we haven't had the situation. people have to understand that in the final analysis, delegates choose the party's nominees not the voters. the relationship is indirect. the analogy with in our constitution, if in the general election there's no candidate gets majority of the electoral votes, it gets thrown to the house of representatives, and the house of representatives decides who the president is. also something that hasn't happened in a very long time. but it's analogous here. the voters do no choose the nominee by giving him or her a majority of the bound delegates on the first ballot, the convention and delegates decide among themselves. once people start to focus on that and understand the process, despite donald trump's comments, i think people will get it. >> ana, as you know, trump told the newspaper, "usa today," he
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could see himself ex-selecting maybe governor kasich, governor walker, maybe senator marco rubio, of florida, as his vice presidential running mate. you nomar well. do you think he would do it? >> more importantly, wolf, i know jeanette, marco rubio's wife, well. i don't think jeanette would let him do it, if they were in their same mind. his behavior, vulgarities, craftness go against the grain for marco rubio. it would be difficult to endorse a donald trump. being somebody's vice presidential nominee being in tandem, partners, coordinated. you've got to be on the same page, politically, ideological and get along. i have a very hard time seeing that happen between donald trump
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and marco rubio. i think you'll see marco rubio extort the leverage he can at that convention if donald trump is not the presumptive nominee and use the delegates he has to try to stop trump. but then again, wolf, you know, it's 2016, never say never. >> good point. everyone, stand by. we have a lot to discuss, including why a top hillary clinton aide is accusing bernie sanders of rigging the system.
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just one week away from the new york primary. potential turning point in the race for the democratic nomination. both campaigns are testing new messages. cnn's joe johns reports. >> reporter: as the battle for new york intensifies, bernie sanders campaign is hoping to close the gap. >> it looks to me like syracuse is ready for a political revolution. >> reporter: today, the clinton campaign turning to a new tactic, accusing sanders of making up ground by flipping superdelegates. >> anybody rigging the system it's senator sanders. >> reporter: enthusiasm is key. >> let us have the largest turnout in democratic primary history here in new york state. thank you all. >> reporter: sanders is holding three large rallies today, while clinton held a roundtable on
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equal pay for women. >> if talking about equal pay and paid live and more opportunities for women and girls is playing the gender card, then deal me in because these are -- >> reporter: gender and politics on the mind of president obama today. though he did not mention clinton by name at the dedication of a women's equality monument, what he implied spoke volumes. >> i want them to be astonished if there was ever a time when women were vastly outnumbered in the boardroom or congress, ever a time when a woman had never sat in the oval office. >> reporter: with clinton leading sanders 13 points in a new poll, she is heading to florida for three fund-raisers, leaving her husband to campaign across the state in her stead. >> we've got to have a big vote for hillary in new york next week and if we do, she'll be your president, and you will be glad. thank you. god bless you. >> reporter: bill clinton's presidential library released
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documents protesting the wariness of donald trump as president two decades ago. showing the president being prepped, everyone from wearen beaty to cybill shepherd is contemplating a run for the white house. do you think it trivlizes a run for the office? the public eventually sees through all of the smoke and mirrors and they, after all, have the ultimate power at the ballot box. what these records don't appear to suggest on first reading is a closer relationship between the clinton white house than donald trump than previously acknowledged. one point, president clinton's secretary asked the white house aide if they should send trump a letter on the birthday. the letter was never sent. >> thank you. join us thursday, when hillary clinton and bernie sanders face off for the final time before the critical new york primary. i'll be moderating cnn's
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there's breaking news. american officials are tracking a frightening new development in north korea right now. kim jong-un's regime appears to be on the verge of testing a mobile ballistic missile. it's a flexible new asset that could give the young dictator quick-strike capability. let's go to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. what can you tell us, barbara? >> as always, the problem with north korea, the regime is so unpredictable the u.s. can't be certain what kim has planned next. kim jong-un could be planning an unprecedented military move. u.s. spy satellites have detected early signs that north korea may for the first time be preparing to test a mobile ballistic missile capable of hitting portions of the u.s. the mobile missiles are mounted on huge vehicles like these shown in military parades.
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the launcher can move quickly so an attack could come with little or no warning. even a test launch would have huge international security implications. >> i think that's going to lead to an epiphany for a lot of experts who have been dismissing the possibility that north korea could have such a capability for several more years. >> reporter: if the regime proceeds with a launch, the latest assessment is it's most likely to fire the musadan missile which the u.s. believes has the ability to potentially hit guam and perhaps shemya island in alaska. two other missiles being watched the kn08 mobile ballistic missiles, they have a longer range and are potentially able to hit the pacific northwest of the u.s. u.s. officials caution they cannot be even certain if the missiles would work as advertised. just this week, kim was in attendance during an intercontinental missile engine test, part of north korea's
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effort to constantly refine its technology. the mobile kn14 is especially mysterious. north korea is believed to have displayed it at this military parade last year. the u.s. is not certain what improvements have been made to this newest weapon but worry it may have increased precision. the concerns compounded by the belief of some in the u.s. intelligence community that north korea has some type of miniatureized untested nuclear warhead device that could go on top of a missile. >> it's the prudent decision on my part to assume he has the capability to nuclearize, miniaturize a nuclear weapon and put it on an icbm. >> reporter: u.s. officials don't know if any of this north korean technology works but have to assume it does. wolf? >> it's very disturbing. all right, barbara, thank you. also tonight amazing new details emerging from a dramatic
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rescue mission in the pacific ocean. we're learning more about the incredible efforts undertaken by the u.s. navy and coast guard to find three stranded mariners on a tiny island. our brian todd has been gathering the latest information. when are you learning? >> wolf, tonight we have stunning information on what these castaways and rescuers were up against. the men were stranded on a remote island that's 2,6 00 mils southwest of honolulu. the coast guard that that region, wolf, is responsible for covering 12.2 million square miles of ocean. with those challenges in front of them, this rescue was nothing short of remarkable. a move of pure desperation with palm fronds, three men spell out the word, help, on the beach of an uninhabited pacific island. they swam two miles after their small boat was slammed by a wave. the men were on the island for three days when the crew of a
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plane coordinating with the u.s. coast guard spotted them. >> they're difficult to find, difficult to see especially from the air so any time we're successful, we find folks, it's absolutely ecstatic. >> anybody? >> reporter: it was right out of the hollywood classic, "castaway." new details tonight from the coast guard on the dramatic rescue. after the men were reported missing on tuesday of last week by their families on the micronesian island, the coast guard moved quickly contacting merchant vels ss in the area. by thursday, they needed support from the air. from masawa air base in japan, about 2,400 miles away, the p8 cree headed out to search in the pacific. after a refueling stop in guam, they started a search pattern based on the skiff's last location. a crewman spotted a heat signature on the infrared camera. >> the survivors lit a fire,
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we're assuming that's the fire here. in that case, once the fire is lit on the beach, the infrared equipment on board the aircraft will notice that from a long way off. it's noticing the heat difference between the beach, water and the survivors. >> reporter: the heat signatures vectored the navy plane closer to the island and they spotted the men waving their jackets. >> there were high fives. they were very excited to see these folks alive and dropped smoke to let them know they'd been seen. >> reporter: the coast guard sent local island residents to pick up the men by boat. they appeared uninjured. how would they survive? what did they eat or drink? >> at best they got on the island, maybe found drinking water, coconuts. coconuts have a lot of liquid you can stay alive in. >> so far, there's no information from the men, themselves, on how they stuck this out or even who they are. we tried to reach them in the micronesian islands but have not been able to, wolf. we can say they're part of a
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happening now, family affair. we're just hours away from an unprecedented family town hall on cnn. donald trump, his wife, melania, daughter, ivanka and other members of the billionaire family all set to take questions
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from new york voters just days ahead of the state's critical primary. trump just finished a new york rally. we're going to hear his new attacks on ted cruz and hillary clinton. credibility gap. a bitter new battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. the sanders camp questioning her credibility. clinton camp calling it a character attack. are the democratic candidates heading toward all-out war ahead of thursday night's cnn debate? secrets and sex. a high-ranking u.s. naval officer accused of giving away america's secrets and soliciting prostitutes. tonight he's under arrest as the military tries to figure out why he was spying and how he was being paid. and leaving isis. former terrorist commanders defect after witnessing horrific atroci atrocities. they're cheering the u.s.-led effort against isis and telling their chilling stories exclusively to cnn. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around
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the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following breaking news in the race for the white house. the bitterness ramping up tonight, growing more bipartisan. the republican front-runner donald trump holding a rally in new york that just wrapped up and continuing to lash out at the republican delegate system. he's calling it rigged. and trump, his wife and children, they're all taking part in a remarkable cnn town hall meeting later tonight. they'll answer voters' questions one week ahead of the new york primary. trump leading his rivals by more than 30 points in the latest poll in new york. we're also following the arrest of a high ranking u.s. naval officer who worked on one of the military's most sensitive intelligence missions. tonight, he's accused of stealing classified information and attempting to transfer it most likely to china as well as
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patronizing prostitution. we're covering all of that, much more this hour with our guests including congressman peter king, he's a member of the homeland security and intelligence committees. and our correspondents and expert analysts, they are also standing by with developments on these fast-moving stories. let's begin with the tumultuous republican race for the white house. our national correspondent, jason carroll, is at a trump rally in rome, new york. jason, what is trump saying tonight? >> reporter: well, wolf, within minutes after taking the stage, we heard some of the strongest criticism yet from donald trump about what happened to him in colorado. he called the system rigged and corrupt. and he said members of the gop establishment should be ashamed of themselves. ♪ donald trump angry at the gop nominating system which he calls corrupt. this after claiming his supporters in colorado were shut out when that state awarded all its delegates to ted cruz.
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>> our republican system is absolutely rigged. it's a phony deal. this is a dirty trick. i'll tell you what. the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. i can tell you that. they should be ashamed of themselves. >> reporter: ted cruz firing back on glenn beck's radio show today calling trump a sore loser. >> donald wakes up at night in cold sweats that people will call him losin' donald. >> reporter: colorado does not have a primary or a caucus. instead, it holds a convention to choose its delegates. now the chairman of the republican national committee is also weighing in on the issue, tweeting, "the rules were set last year. nothing mysterious. nothing new. the rules have not changed. the rules are the same. nothing different." polls shows trump is holding a commands lead in new york and
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could be on track to take a significant portion of the state's 95 delegates up for grabs. rival john kasich out campaigning at a brooklyn bakery is running a distant second. his goal, pick up as many delegates here as possible. >> greetings, john kasich. >> hi. >> reporter: and continue to draw differences between himself and the other two candidates. he encouraged voters not to choose what he called the path of darkness. >> the path that exploits anger, encourages resentment, turns fear into hatred, and divides people. it cheapens each one of us. it has but one beneficiary, and that is to the politician who speaks of it. >> reporter: despite trump's harsh criticism of kasich, he says he would consider him as a possible running mate along with former rivals senator marco rubio and wisconsin governor scott walker. at last night's cnn town hall, kasich says he's not interested.
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>> i'm not going to be anybody's vice president. >> do you -- >> i would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. you know why? because i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> reporter: as for governor walker -- >> i literally just heard it, i laughed. >> reporter: for those still holding out hope for a late entry into the presidential race, vice speaker paul ryan -- >> i do not want nor will i accept the nomination for our party. >> reporter: and not likely that senator rubio would be willing to be a running mate, either, since he repeatedly called trump a, quote, con man. trump left the stage telling his supporters to keep supporting him despite what the gop establishment may want to happen. wolf? >> all right, jason carroll is in rome, new york, for us. thank you. let's get some more on donald trump. our cnn political reporter sa e murray is joining us in new york. trump launching new attacks on ted cruz as well as hillary clinton. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. donald trump's campaign believes
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that they're going to do well in new york. they believe they're going to do well in these mid-atlantic states and believe that he is going to be the nominee. that means they are getting ready right now to sharpen his message for a general election. that's why you're seeing him hit the democrats even harder. take a listen. >> bernie sanders, i will say this, for the last five weeks, you turn on the television, sanders wins, sanders wins, again, sanders wins. like seven or eight or nine. he keeps winning. and then you listen to the people and the pundits and they say, he has no chance of winning. i say, what's going on? because you have superdelegates -- by the way, i think the republicans have a worse system than the democrats, but they have superdelegates. it makes it impossible for a guy that wins to win. it's a crooked system, folks. it's a crooked system. it really is a crooked system. you know, again, i don't care who wins over there.
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i'll take on either one of them. i sort of had my heart set on hillary, to be honest with you. and her whole life, remember this, her whole life has been one big lie. it's been one big lie. >> reporter: so you see trump there not only calling out the system of how both sides elect their candidates, but taking a much sharper tone with hillary clinton than we've seen in the past couple of months and i think we're going to hear more and more of that going forward, wolf. >> we probably will, sara. thank you. i want to get more on what's going on. the republican congressman peter king of new york is joining us. he's a member of the homeland security and intelligence committees. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> wolf. >> only a few moments ago up in rome, new york, trump went after the republican national committee for the entire delegate selection process. i want to play a little bit more of what he said. listen to this. >> sure. >> the party is playing dirty and we got to show our
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republican party you've been disenfranchised, everybody has. you got to show the republican party that they can't get away with this stuff any longer. >> what do you make of him going after the republican party like this? >> actually on this, donald trump is wrong. i mean, donald trump, himself, has gotten 37% of the popular vote. he is going to get 45% of the delegates as of now. so he's doing better than his percentage would indicate. also these rules were in place before donald trump ever got into the contest at all. and in new york, donald trump could well be the beneficiary of the rules we have in new york where even if he gets just 51% of the vote statewide in each of the congressional districts, he'll get 100% of the delegates even though he only gets 51% of the vote. this is not -- a party is a private institution. it's a private entity. and each state has its own rules. some have caucuses. some have primaries. the wisconsin primary allows democrats, independents to vote. republicans in new york only
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allow republicans to vote in their primary. each state has itses own set of rules and it's not as if they're being changed to hurt donald trump. he really dropped the ball, for instance, in colorado by not having his people on the ground at those local convention. >> the house speaker as you know, today, paul ryan, he ruled himself out as a potential presidential candidate. what do you hope to see happen if it does come down to a contested republican convention in cleveland? >> i have a great regard for paul ryan. a lot of us are disappointed. i understand why, but he would be an outstanding standard bearer. what's going to happen in cleveland, god only knows. right now my best bet is donald trump will be close to the 50% when he gets there, somewhere between 45% and 50%. maybe 47%, 48%. his closest competitor will probably be ted cruz. what donald trump has going for him is there's no outpouring of love anywhere for ted cruz. he would only be an anti-trump candidate. very few people like ted cruz. he's not going to fall back with any reservoir of love or anything like that.
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i would say if donald trump gets that close, arrives at the convention, he will probably get the nomination, but, again, anything can happen between now and july. right now thavt's the way i see it. >> you've called donald trump unqualified to be president. you said that any new yorker thinking of voting for senator cruz should have his or her head examined. does that mean next tuesday, you're a registered republican, you're going to vote for governor kasich? >> i'll be voting and i have great regard for john kasich. i'll leave it at thought. i wish john had a better chance of getting the nomination. right now it looks tough for him. again, if people did want to send a message, it would be to vote for kasich. but, again, i haven't decided. i will tell you this, i will not vote for ted cruz. >> so you'll either vote for trump or kasich, right? >> right. one of those two, yes. >> and how close are you to making a decision? >> oh, i don't know, wolf. i'll probably decide that -- again, i'm not being coy. it really all depends if john kasich -- if that could send a signal if his vote is significant enough, that may be the way to go.
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on the other hand, i don't want to do anything that helps ted cruz. really, you know, there's no between cruz and trump, there's no great support. a lot of populists vote for donald trump. in my mind, i have real issues with donald trump. i don't like ted cruz. i think he'd be a terrible president. i'll just leave it at that. i work with john kasich in the house. he's a good guy. >> but you have called trump unqualified. you say any new yorker who votes for cruz should have his or her head examined. so here's the question. if one of them is the republican nominee, would you consider voting for new york state's hillary clinton if she were the democratic nominee? >> i would support the nominee of the party, but the extent of my enthusiasm, i, again, if it was ted cruz, i would just support the nominee of the party but that would be the end of it. i wouldn't go any further than that. >> are you going to boycott or go to the convention in cleveland? >> no, right now i intend to go to the convention. to me, you know, we have a job to do. i am somewhat of a leader in the
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party, not a high ranking one, but i'm in the party. i've been there for the last 40 years, i've been active in the republican party. also i want to be there at the convention when decisions are made and, again, you know, who knows what's going to happen. if this goes beyond a first or second ballot, it could be a whole new ball game. >> certainly could be. as you know, donald trump yesterday mentioned in that interview he gave to "usa today" that senator rubio who you had endorsed along with governors kasich, scott walker of wisconsin, could possibly be his vice presidential running mate picks. would the right choice for vice president ease some of your concerns about a potential president trump? >> it certainly would because it would show that donald trump realizes that, you know, in the real world, not reality tv, but the real world, that you do need people on your team, people in high positions who have experience and know what's going on, who understand the complexity of the issues and if you talk about senator rubio, you're talking about governor kasich, or governor scott walker, any of those three would be an outstanding addition to the ticket and would really provide the type of leadership
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and experience and expertise that would go a long way, i think, toward making donald trump more acceptable to people beyond his 35% base. >> stand by, congressman. there's a lot more information coming into the "situation room." we're going to get your insight, your reaction. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a stag pool party. (party music) (splashing/destruction) (splashing/destruction) (burke) and we covered it, october twenty-seventh, 2014. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because
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once driven, there's no going back. donald trump, his wife and children are poised to take questions from new york voters tonight at a remarkable cnn family town hall that begins in just a few hours. anderson cooper will moderate. we're also following breaking news out of north korea. republican congressman peter king of new york is back with us. we're going to talk about all of that. he's a member of the homeland
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security and intelligence committees. congressmans, before we get to north korea, we want to update the actual raw vote total in this republican contest so far as of wisconsin, trump has 8.2 million votes. cruz has 6.2 million votes. kasich has 2.9 million votes. trump is ahead by almost 2 million votes. what does that say to you? >> listen, there's no doubt donald trump has tapped into a movement in the united states that he has generated an appeal and he definitely has more republicans supporting him than cruz and john kasich do. he doesn't have 50%, though. it seems he has hit somewhat of a ceiling, even know what he's doing in new york, if he's at 55%, 6 o%, those are big numbers. it shows he has a solid base of support and it's very tough to turn him away at the convention because those people are almost fanatically attached to him. i use the word fanatical in the best sense of the word.
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>> they'll be very, very disappointed to put it mildly if they feel the nomination is stolen from him if he gets close but not necessarily close enough. so we'll see what happens on that front. let's talk about north korea. very disturbing developments unfolding. pentagon correspondent barbara starr reporting north korea may be preparing to launch a mobile ballistic missile. first of all, what do you know about this, and is this type of missile capable of reaching the united states? >> wolf, i really can't say what i know and be honest with you, i'm not certain as to its -- how far it can go, but whether it can or not, the fact is this is a -- if it's true, it's a very, very significant move and it's an example, again, of the danger we face from north korea and why some type of action has to be taken whether it's strong, strong economic boycott with, you know, the u.s. pressuring china, but action has to be taken because he's almost out of control and this, again, would be a significant step forward for north korea. >> when you say some kind of
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action, that sort of suggests maybe military action, a pree t preemptive strike of some sort. is that what you're talking about? >> no, not at this stage. china has to take it more seriously. it's up to the united states. i don't mean this in a partisan way. we have to start putting more pressure, working with china. north korea cannot exist without china and various reasons china doesn't put more pressure on north korea. the fact is this is becoming a threat to the world and china has to be the adult in that region. whatever pressure we have, we are a pacific power. we have to work and deal and lean on china to take more action to stop north korea. >> congressman peter king of new york. thanks very much. >> thank you, wolf. just ahead, we're counting down to tonight's cnn town hall with donald trump, his wife, children. they're all getting ready to take questions from new york voters. stand by for that. plus, the increasingly bitter battle between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is
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republican presidential candidate donald trump blasting the party's delegate system in a rally ahead of tonight's cnn family town hall. listen to what he told supporters in upstate new york. >> the system, folk, is rigged.
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it's a rigged system. now you have to understand i'm not complaining about the states that i won. those are okay. the rules are no good when you don't get democracy. the rules are no good when they don't count your vote. when they don't like in colorado. the rules are no good when you have to play dirty tricks in order to pick up delegates. okay? but the system's rigged. and i'll tell you what, when you look at colorado, and people can say, oh, well that's lthe way te game's played. they should have had an election. they didn't have an election. that system is set up so that the crooked politicians can make sure they get somebody in that's not, you know, part of what we're doing. this is a movement, folks. i'm self-funding my campaign. they hate it. they hate it. [ cheering ] they don't want me to self-fund my campaign. they don't want it because you know what, they're all
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controlled by their special interests, they're all controlled by their lobbyists. 100%. >> all right. let's dig a little bit deeper with chief political analyst gloria borger. our cnn political commentator and former obama senior adviser, dan pfeiffer. our cnn political commentator, ana navarro. cnn senior political analyst and senior editor for "the atlantic" ron brownstein. guys, thanks very much. ana, i want you to react to what we just heard from donald trump that the system is rigged except for those states he won. >> exactly. you know, he's got a selective criticism of the system. when he wins, the system works just fine. when he loses, the system is crooked, the system is rigged. look, wolf, our system is quirky. every state gets to decide how they want to run their state contest. some states have primaries. some states have caucuses. some states have conventions. but it is up to each state.
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and you have got to know what each state wants, what each state's rules are. in the same way that you have got to fill out and, you know, and go by the requirements to be on the ballot in each state, you've got to go through the specific requirements to compete at each state contest. and i think he sounds whiney. i think he sounds infantile. but i also know that he's laying out this narrative so if he gets close to 1,237 but doesn't get quite there, he can claim that it's getting stolen from him and raise all kinds of hell at the convention. that's what he's doing. >> ron, senator cruz today called donald trump, he said -- he called him losin' donald, said trump was whining over losing delegates to cruz in state conventions. as i just pointed out, we just updated the raw vote total after wisconsin, he's got 8.2 million so far. cruz has 6 preside.2 million.
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that's a huge difference. >> it is a huge difference, but as we said many times, donald trump, himself, is stuck at around 40% of that popular vote. he's not at a majority of the popular vote and is unlikely to get there before the end. in fact, as representative king noted to you, his share of the delegates will exceed in many cases h his share of the popular vote because of the winner-take-all features. look, i would not say the system is rigged as donald trump did but i would say it is rickety and it seems to me if we are moving into an era, which i think we are, where we're going to see more races that go through all 50 states, where every delegate matters, these non-primary contests, the caucuses and the conventions in many cases, i'm not sure they can withstand the level of scrutiny they are now going to face because in many cases they are not being conducted at a standard sufficient to the stakes involved. these are the rules. these are the rules this year. donald trump should be competing in them, not complaining about them. it probably undermines his case to the delegates to be compla s complaining about them.
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in the longer term if every delegate is going to matter, there needs to be a serious internal look by the republican party at how these states are undertaking this very important responsibility. >> they may have to do another autopsy report after this election cycle. dan, the house speaker paul ryan just came out and he said rule him out as a presidential candidate, absolutely positively. but you know what, he sort of said the same thing when he was originally being drafted to become the speaker of the house. has he put this to rest? >> i think he is sincere in saying he is absolutely not going to run. he will not, you know, not serve if nominated or whatever the sherman-esque thing is. but i don't think it's going to put it to rest. this is the ultimate fantasy of a lot of the republican establishments types who are very uncomfortable with a trump/cruz version of the party and paul ryan is their demago e
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demdemagogue. it would have been bad for his political future because he would have angered the 40% of the party ron's talking about who are really, like, what paul ryan represents is what makes the trump/cruz voters so angry about the party. paul ryan is incredibly pro-trade, incredibly pro-wall street. you know, supports cutting medicare and social security. and so the disconnect between washington and the trump/cruz voters is embodied by paul ryan so getting him out of the middle of this was the right thing to for his political future, i think. >> gloria, donald trump says the delegate selection process, he says, in his words, it's a dirty, rotten, disgusting system. the chairman of the republican national committee, reince priebus, he tweeted last night, "the rules were set last year. nothing mysterious. nothing new. the rules have not changed. the rules are the same. nothing different." how will the republican race be impacted if trump keeps questioning this entire republican delegate process? do you see the rnc making any changes? >> you know, look, i think the changes are up to the rules
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committee, wolf, and it's up to trump to get his people on the rules committee and i think he probably will. i think, you know, trump said it, himself. the question here is if you are questioning the legitimacy of the process, right, what happens if you win? does it -- does it still remain an illegitimate process if you actually triumph and come out of the convention as the nominee? and also, does it hurt your case as ron was alluding to going into the convention if you tell these delegates you're part of a lousy, rotten, corrupt process, but on the other hand, why don't you all vote for me? i think that doesn't help make your case in the long term. so he clearly is putting the rnc on notice. we understand he has to do that. just in case he doesn't win. but if he does, what does he then say? oh, never mind? you know, the process worked? i mean, it's kind of -- it's
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kind of a difficult position for him to take. >> all right. good point. everyone, stand by. we have more information coming in. i want to remind our viewers to stay with cnn tonight for a truly remarkable town hall meeting. donald trump, his wife, his children, all taking questions from new york voters ahead of the state's crucial primary next week. tomorrow night, ted cruz and his wife will do the same thing. all starting, by the way, 9:00 p.m. eastern later tonight only here on cnn. we'll be right back. (war drums beating) fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. he's happy.t's with him? your family's finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. and they only take 15 minutes to make. ahh! birds eye voila so veggie good
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the democratic race for the white house is taking on a tougher tone right now with sharp new attacks between the clinton and sanders campaigns ahead of thursday's cnn presidential debate. our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny is following the race for us. jeff, both campaigns are taking fresh jabs at each other. update our viewerses. >> you need a scorecard to keep track. a headline included a growing laundry list of issues. he was questioning hillary clinton's stance on wall street reform, fracking, what they call a corrupt campaign finance system and job-killing trade deals. for their part, the clinton campaign is calling out sanders for his legislative record on guns and saying he simply is untested to be president. that's why both sides are bracing for thursday when they come face to face on the debate stage for the first time in five
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weeks. hillary clinton's presidential campaign hit a milestone today. >> i am absolutely thrilled to be here on this occasion. the one-year anniversary of my journey and my campaigns. >> reporter: exactly one year ago, she announced her bid for the presidency like this. >> i'm hitting the road to earn your vote because it's your time. and i hope you'll join me on this journey. >> reporter: but this part of the journey has been longer than she ever imagined. she didn't mark the moment with a big celebration or rally. but bernie sanders did. once again, his crowds dwarfing hers on the campaign trail. >> doesn't look like we can get too many more people in this race. >> reporter: the democratic rivals are locked in a bitter dual for next year's new york primary. as clinton flew to florida today for three fund raisers to keep her primary campaign along, sanders reminded supporters in upstate new york he's raising money a bit differently.
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>> we have shown the world that you can run a winning national campaign without being dependent on wall street and the big money interests. >> reporter: today in washington, president obama stayed out of the back and forth but made clear he believes it's time for a woman to be president. >> i want them to be astonished that it was there was ever a time when women were vastly outnumbered in the boardroom or in congress, that there was ever a time when a woman had never sat in the oval office. >> reporter: but the clinton team is hoping to slow sanders' rise. saying he's untested and trying to upend the process by urging superdelegates to jump ship. >> if anybody's trying to rig the system right now to overturn the will of the people, it's senator sanders. >> reporter: bill clinton had tough words of his own for sanders. >> her opponent says everybody who's not for him is by definition a member of some dark establishment. they voted together 93% of the time. >> reporter: also today a fresh
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reminder the clintons have had their eye on donald trump for years. newly released documents from the clinton presidential library show back in 199 9 the president's team was trying to explain trump's ambitions, planning how to respond to a potential trump candidacy in 2000, bill clinton was given this advice. "it may say something about the way the media covers politics these days but i have the utmost confidence in the american people to sort out the wheat from the chaff." hillary clinton is raising money for her campaign, it's taking her away from voters in new york. it's critical. by now one year into her campaign, she was hoping to be focused on the fall but this primary is consuming the lions share of her time. >> certainly a lot of money she hoped she could spend in a general election. all right. thanks very much for that. dan pfeiffer, hillary clinton attacking senator sanders' position on guns. she said something yesterday that raised some eyebrows.
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listen to this. >> most of the guns that are used in crimes and violence and killings in new york come from out of state. and the state that has the highest per capita number of those guns that end up committing crimes in new york come from vermont. >> dan, the "washington post" fact checked that charge finding the per capita number goes way up due to vermont's very small population. they gave her three pinocchios on this one. should she be using this criticism against senator sanders? >> well, i think, a couple things, first, i looked at that fact check and i'm pretty sure that hillary clinton was actually factually correct and the "washington post" being fairly subjective in trying to say it wasn't fair but it was certainly true. i think the point she's making is legitimate and correct that even when you have a state like new york that does a very good
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job of passing gun safety laws, what other states do affects you. city of chicago where president obama's from has had some very tough laws but it borders a lo the of states that don't. from a -- that leads to guns coming into the city. from a political prospective, substantive perspective, this is a very legitimate point. bernie sanders has been all over the map on this issue. i think he is staubstantively wrong and one where he's completely out of touch with the democratic electorate and a lot of his supporters. so if we're going to be in this back and forth throughout this part of the campaign, this is a good flaplace for hillary clint to try to direct the debate. >> ron, the clinton library in little rock released documents from bill clinton's presidency relating to donald trump. clinton's staff repaired for a 199 9 possible interview questin on rumors that donald trump at that time would run for president. the proposed answer was this. "we go through all sorts of cycles in politics and we're in one now where some people from the entertainment world are talking about running for president.
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that's not a first, by the way. so it's a free country. people can chart their own course. and the political process will sort out the wheat from the chaff. i'm not concerned about it." was he right that the process would, "sort out the wheat from the chaff"? >> that is a surprisingly metaphysical question for the "situation room," wolf, so i would say what the system has done is expose both the strengths and the weaknesses and limitations of donald trump. on the one hand, as we've all said and as has been clear for months, he's established a deep and passionate connection with a deep portion of the republican base, a bigger portion of the republican base than any other candidate but he's not reached a majority support within the party. he's won voters without a college degree in 17 of the 21 states with exit polls, won voters with a college degree in 8 of 21 states with exit polls. beyond the republican electorate, the same presentation and agenda that
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enabled them to develop that kind of hold, high negatives among groups like millennials, minorities, college educated white women. we've seen real political talent from donald trump. he's been a destabilizing force. we've also seen he has not really been able to do that without a high cost among the big portions of the electorate beyond those most attracted to him. >> gloria, new poll out among new york voters finds 30% of democrats who support bernie sanders would not support hillary clinton in a general election compared to 15% of clinton supporters who say they wouldn't support bernie sanders. are these numbers concerning? >> look, the sanders voters are more anti-clinton than vice versa, and that's really no surprise. these are young, passionate voters, but when you look at the polls in new york state, for example, the good news for hillary clinton is that she is easily beats all of her potential republican opponents handily in the state of new
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york. so i don't think it's anything up expected and i don't think i'd be too worried about it if i were in the clinton campaign. the sanders voters will come around depending who they're up against. >> and, ana, bill clinton, as you know, he's aggressively campaigns in new york for hillary clinton despite getting some criticism for his treatment of black lives matter protesters. today he has three events in new york. is the clinton campaign seesing a boost from the former president's efforts? >> you know, wolf, i think anybody who has seen bill clinton in action knows he's one of the most skilled, abled politicians in our history. certainly in our recent history. i actually think that black lives matter exchange was one of the most refreshingly honest and blunt, unplugged moments of this entire 2016 campaign certainly on the democratic side. if anything, it highlights how wary, how scripted, how guarded hillary clinton has been, how focused she has been when it
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comes to this issue. i think he raised some important issues and i think you just -- when you balance it out, when you put it in the balance, having bill clinton on your side as your top surrogate, having him out there does you a lot more good than it does you harm. >> all right. everyone, stand by. i want to remind our viewers that join us thursday night when hillary clinton and bernie sanders will face off for the final time before the critical new york primary. i'll be moderating cnn's democratic presidential debate. we're live from brooklyn thursday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. just ahead, a u.s. navy officer accused of trying to sell military secrets and soliciting prostitutes. we're learning new details of a shocking new spy scandal. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. .
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a spy and sex scandal of a navy officer. our chief national correspondent jim sciutto is working the story for us. some very sensitive information at risk. >> reporter: some of the most sensitive information u.s. intelligence gathering capabilities, specifically it's most advanced planes flying in and around china on some of those most sensitive missions. we were on one of those flights last year. and now the u.s. military investigating the possibility that some of most sensitive secrets have been transferred to a country most likely mainland china. he worked on one of u.s. military's most sensitive
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tension missions. supporting spy planes including the advance poseidon aircraft. now edward lin is accused of stealing classified information about that mission and attempting to transfer it most likely sources tell cnn to the people's republic of china. lin was taken into custody eight months ago in hawaii as he was boarding a flight to mainland china. retired colonel, a former intelligence officer says a member of lin's reconnaissance group would have been an extremely knowledgeable source. >> you understand the capabilities of reconnaissance aircraft and the routes that those aircraft are flying. with that kind of information the chinese or anybody else would be able to figure out not only when these airplanes are flying, but what those airplanes can see. what they can intercept. >> reporter: in a highly redacted charge sheet lin is
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charged with espionage. >> you want to know what his contacts were in china. why was he going there. was this truly a pleasure trip or was it something else? my suspicion is it was something else. >> reporter: sources tell cnn the investigation is in its early stages. attempts to reach lin who is being held in a brig in virginia were unsuccessful. lin was born in taiwan and came to the u.s. with his family when he was just 14. his journey from immigrant to mid-ranking naval officer was applauded by the navy. lins facebook post shows him joining a mid east delegation. and twice visiting mainland china where he posed for a picture in tiananmen square. in 2008 lin said i always dreamt about coming to america, the promised land.
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i grew up believing that all the roads in america lead to disneyland. lin has been in custody for eight months. u.s. military deciding whether to proceed a court martial. they are taking this case very seriously. >> former terrorist commanders who defected from isis, we have a special exclusive report. nick paton walsh reports from afghanistan. >> reporter: looking for isis, in afghanistan's east signatubr hate. it was there three days ago and gone again says one man. they were talking nonsense says another. they are asking people to pledge allegiance and march on kabul he adds. this is one broadcast they recorded earlier. isis is trying to put down roots
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here. but every day more afghans want to tear them up. that starts here. two months ago we wouldn't have sat like this. >> translator: they just like to say it's good to do. >> reporter: isis they say came from pakistan and iraq and promised guns and money to their struggling group taliban. their agenda black flags killing and looting which they went along with at first. >> translator: take their money. the poor, they would bribe them or kill them. i remember when they beheaded seven people in the bazaar including government workers and parts of taliban. i saw the long strip of wood they did it on. covered in blood. they just threw the bodies away
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and buried. it was anti-islamic. >> translator: my worst memory is if you were killed fighting for them they wouldn't hand your wife and children to predators but put them in a camp. >> reporter: isis recruit children. another reason two men work with afghan intelligence. to get locals to join an uprising program against isis. but they say they lack government protection and money and that's put potential defectors off. the fight is now just left to american drones they say. >> translator: drones are doing a good job killing isis. they target them as soon as they leave their houses. >> translator: the government hasn't made any progress in those areas. it's only the bombing that's effective. >> reporter: you're in the taliban then in isis and now american drones are bombing your own village but you're pleased about it because they are killing isis. is that a strange feeling for
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you? >> translator: it makes us happy. we want them wiped out. >> reporter: killers themselves who know what they are talking about. he holds up his cloak. holes from an american helicopter attack not long ago when he was taliban. isis shattered ordinary lives too. across town in a luxury village built for rich people who never came, hundreds ever families who fled isis. afghanistan like many nations has to battle an idea, kind of a virus that appears to minds warped after decades of war. those in the taliban are radical enough. no matter how hard you battle or bomb it it's difficult to complete pli extily extingish. they killed this man's brother. he's left unable to provide for them. isis still live in their home.
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isis savagery was glimpsed in this video. they lined up opponents and detonate ad bomb below them. the man who speaks is survived by his nephew. >> translator: my brother called our father that death was on facebook. we couldn't bury him as we didn't have a body. ifts pieces probably still lining where he was blown up. >> reporter: decades of trauma here. it gets worse. nick paton walsh, cnn. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next we're counting you down the trump family live here in new york for a special town hall event. trump's wife along with his children only here tonight cnn. as we couldn't you down why the clinton white house was worried about donald trump 17 years ago and the clinton campaign calling out bernie sanders charging he's the one trying to rig the system. let's go "outfront".

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