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a level of excitement and energy among working people and low-income people doing better events than donald trump and other republicans in poll after poll than secretary clinton is, yeah, i believe we're going to win this nomination, and i believe we're going to obliterate donald trump or whoever the republican candidate is. >> let me say this -- >> secretary clinton, go ahead. >> i think it's important for people out there watching this tonight to know that i also have a considerable lead in pledged delegates. and my lead in pledged delegates is actually wider than barack obama's lead was over me. and in addition to winning states in the deep south, we won florida, texas, arizona, massachusetts, ohio, illinois, north carolina, missouri.
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and so i think where we stand today is that we are in this campaign very confident and optimistic. but it all comes down to reaching every single voter. i'm not taking anything for granted or any voter or anyplace. so i'm going to work my heart out here in new york until the polls close on tuesday, i'm going to work in pennsylvania, connecticut, rhode island, delaware and maryland, all the way through california and when we end up with the number of delegates we need, we will unite the party and have a unified convention that will go on to the general election with. >> the reason why in virtually every contest we are winning by very strong margins, younger people and i'm not just talking about very young. the older you get, 45 or younger, is i think people are
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sensing that establishment politics and dependence on wall street and big money interest is never really going to address the crises that we face. and people understand you can't take money from powerful special interests into your pac and then really expect the american people to believe you're going to stand up to these powerful special interests. so i am very proud of the fact that we have brought millions of new people into the political process -- >> thank you, senator. >> many of whom previously had given up. >> thank you, senator, very much. the candidates, they will make their final pitches to new york voters right after this. [ cheers and applause ]
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welcome back to the cnn presidential debate. it's time for the candidates' closing statements. each candidate will have two minutes. senator sanders, you're first. >> i grew up in brooklyn, new york, the son of an immigrant who came to this country from poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket, never made a whole lot of money but was a very proud american because this country gave him and my mom the opportunity to send their kids to college. i believe that this country has enormous potential if we have
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the guts to take on the big money interests who dominate our economic and political life. and i disagree with secretary clinton in the belief that you can get money from wall street, that you can get money for a super pac from powerful special interests and then at the end of the day do what has to be done for the working families of this country. i just don't accept that. what i believe is that this country, if we stand together and not let the trumps of the world divide us up, can guarantee health care to all people as a right, can have paid family and medical leave, can make public colleges and universities tuition free, can lead the world in transforming our energy system and combatting climate change, can break up the large financial institutions,
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can demand that the wealthiest people in this country start paying their fair share of taxes. and we can do that when millions of people stand up, fight back and create a government that works for all of us, not just the 1%. that is what the political revolution is about. that is what this campaign is about. and with your help, we're going to win here in new york. thank you! thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> secretary clinton. [ crowd chanting "bernie" ] >> secretary clinton. >> thank you.
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i am very grateful for the fact that the people of new york gave me the great honor of serving as your senator. you took a chance on me in 2000, and then you re-elected me with one of the biggest margins we've had in our state in 2006. during those years we worked closely together. i tried to have your back and time and time again you had mine. we took on the challenges of 9/11 together, we got the money to rebuild new york, we came to the aid of our brave first responders, construction workers and others who endangered their own health by helping to save lives and search for survivors.
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we worked to create jobs despite the disastrous policies of george w. bush across new york, and we stood up time and time again against all kinds of vested powerful interests. i'm asking for your support again in the primary on tuesday to continue that work together, to take what we did in new york and to take those new york values to the white house and put them to work on behalf of all of our people, to knock down the barriers that stand in the way. you know, of course we have economic barriers. i've been fighting against those trying to even the odds most of my adult life, but we also have racial barriers, gender barriers, homophobic barriers, disability barriers. we have a lot of barriers that stand in the way of people being treated as they should and having the chance to live up to their own god-given potential.
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so i am humbly asking for your support on tuesday. i'll work my heart out for you again. and together we won't just make promises we can't keep, we'll deliver results that will improve the lives of the people in new york and in america. that's what we'll do! thank you, new york! >> thank you secretary, thank you very much, senator. i want to thanks the candidates for a really terrific debate. thanks also to dana bash and errol louis as well as new york tv 1 and everyone here at the duggal greenhouse and the brooklyn navy yard. stay with cnn now for complete coverage of the new york primary next tuesday. anderson cooper picks up our debate coverage right now.
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and there it is, bernie sanders, hillary clinton after a deeply contentious and often downright combative debate five days before new yorkers go to the polls. we hope to be hearing from the candidates shortly, as well as fact checking their statements, talking to voters about what they saw and heard tonight. let's get some quick first impressions from our panel, our commentators, democrats bill press, donna brazile, van jones, paul begala, paul is for senator clinton, bill is for senator sanders and david, axelrod and nia-malika henderson. let's start off with you. what did you hear tonight? >> it was snippy versus chippy. these two, they're just done with each other. >> there's no love lost here. >> no. i think as a democrat i want to see them reunite later. but this is the phase at which man, it's like an old episode of "divorce court." i didn't see hillary doing very
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much reaching into young voters where she's done very poorly. i don't think the structure of the race changed but the tone did. >> bill press, did the structure of the race change? >> i don't think it did but it was a great debate. i didn't think it was that contentious. i love to see a great exchange on the issues. but it wasn't personal. it wasn't ugly, and it wasn't nasty, in my opinion. i think hillary is a great debater, but i think bernie held his own. on some issues he was very, very strong. i think they both have enough strength from tonight's debate to keep the fight on till tuesday. >> gloria borger, what did you hear? >> i think it was like a coliseum. these guys do not like each other anymore, and i think the tone was nasty. and i think -- you don't think so? i think it was nasty to a degree. there was sarcasm from bernie sanders when she was talking about wall street and how she called them out and he said, oh,
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my goodness, they must have been really crushed. right? that was a little sarcastic. >> she had a few jabs, too. >> she jabbed him on guns. i think she got the better of him on the issue of guns, which has always been his weak point. but i tell you one thing, bernie sanders on the issue of israel in new york city did not change his position saying that there had been a disproportionate response in gaza and i think that's politically tricky for him here. >> tricky, maybe admirable. whatever you think of the position, he certainly didn't choose to pander on it. >> nope. >> but i think he had a couple of bad moments in this debate, one on guns. that's been plaguing him since the beginning of this race. he voted his state on guns and it stands in contrast to the image he want to project as a man of progressive principle. he clearly was staggered on that. the other was when he was asked could he name a specific position that hillary clinton had taken that reflected she had been essentially bribed by the campaign money she got from wall
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street and he didn't really have an answer to that. >> jake tapper, your thoughts. >> news items. one, as our reporter covering hillary clinton points out, we think this is the closest hillary clinton has come to offering something of an apology for the 1994 crime bill, not that she necessarily needs to offer one, but she did say, quote, i'm sorry for the consequences that were unintended and have had a very unfortunate impact on people lives, something like an apology for the 1994 bill. in addition, there was a moment when clinton was talking about how nobody has overthrown or got rid of assad, which even though -- >> jake, i have to jump in. our jeff zeleny is with senator sanders. let's go to jeff. jeff? >> senator sander, thank you for joining us tonight.
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the tone in this debate seemed so different from those early debates last year and earlier this year. given that tone, how difficult will it be to unify this democratic party? >> i think the tone is different because we have won seven out of the last eight state contests and i think the clinton campaign and the secretary are getting a little bit nervous. i think it undeniable we have the momentum. we've been attacked a whole lot by the clinton camp, but i'm feeling very, very good coming into the new york primary on tuesday. and i think, look, to answer your question, there are no democrats that i know, or virtually none, who will desert the democratic party, no matter who the candidate is to vote for donald trump or some other right wing republican. i do not think that that will happen. >> on guns specifically, are your views in line, in step with the new york democrats, do you think? >> i don't know the answer to that. my view is that i have a d-minus
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voting record from the nra of supporting the president on every major gun legislation and initiative that he's brought forth in terms of expanding the instant background check, doing away with the gun show lobby, doing away with this straw man situation. we've got to get guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. that is my view. >> why not say you were holding that view when you were a senator from vermont, as president you might have a different view? >> well, my view is what it is. and that is we have got to do everything we can to get guns out. and i'll tell you something else. it's very easy to have a point of view which is not going to go anyplace. i honestly believe, you know, we got 50 states in this country. if we're going to succeed and do more than give speeches, we have to create a consensus, and i believe there is a consensus out there which wants to make certain that we get guns out of the hands of people who do not have it. but there are issues like where we disagreed today and i think the world has seen that secretary clinton has a super
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pac, she has a 401 -- a pac or an organization that raises money without allowing disclosure. i don't think you're able to convince ordinary americans in new york or anyplace else that you're going to stand up to the drug companies who are ripping us off or wall street when you take their money. >> on the crime bill, secretary clinton said she regrets her support on the crime bill, but you voted for that bill. do you regret that vote? >> in retrospect it led to a lot of awful things. you can't say in retrospect, if i had voted the other way, secretary of state with say bernie sanders you had the opportunity to vote against to ban assault weapons and you didn't do that and you had a opportunity to calm down, deal with domestic violence and vote for the violence against women. i don't think you can look at it like that. what i do know is that bill has caused disastrous problems in mass incarceration, and we need
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to radically reform a broken criminal justice system. but i think the differences between the secretary and me come down to a simple reality. i don't believe you're going to make the changes you need for working families unless you stand up to the big money interest. i don't think you're going to stand up to the big money interest when you take their money. >> did you forget to mention the bankruptcy bill tonight when you were asked by dana bash to point out some examples of -- >> well -- >> you didn't mention that. was that intentional? >> that was point elizabeth warren made. >> you didn't make the point tonight. >> i made a few other points. can't make them all. >> in terms of unifying your party, secretary clinton said she helped unify the party with president obama. do you plan to -- >> he can't make them all. >> republicans win, jeff, as they did two years ago when voter turnout is low and people are demoralized.
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democrats and progressives win when there is a high voter turnout. there is no debate, unless you're very partial here, and nonobjective that our campaign has generated the energy, the enthusiasm. you've been to some of these rallies -- >> a lot of big rallies. >> and a lot of energy. and i believe where secretary and clinton and i disagree, i believe to win you're going to have to reach out to a lot of independents and, by the way, some republicans. we are doing that in this campaign. and i think that the path toward victory in november is a large base, that is what we are creating and that's what i will do as the nominee. >> senator, thank you very much for your time. anderson, back to you. >> jeff, senator, thank you very much. let's go back to jake. senator sanders saying that secretary clinton is getting nervous based on the last several states that have voted. >> that's right. this debate was a great debate. one of the things that was so interesting about it is how the
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candidates basically laid out the major differences between them in terms of governing philosophy. at one point hillary clinton said to senator sanders, "it's easy to diagnose the problem, it's harder to do something to solve the problem." she said this a few times throughout the night. and bernie sanders went after her at one point for a climate change global agreement that he said, you know, paper is paper. and she disagreed with him and said she's not going to take a back seat to him, he can talk about his legislation that has never passed but she was actually trying to get something done. and this really is the crux of one of the major governing differences between them. he is very idealistic in talking about what can be if democrats get rid of the big money in politics in terms of education, in terms of health care, and she is, in his view an incrementalist.
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? her view a pragmatist who can actually get things done in the world in which we live. there were so many issues in which they divided along those lines. >> without a doubt, we heard that repeatedly. we'll come back to jake throughout the next two hours. nia-malika henderson, what stood out to you tonight? >> it's always clear that hillary clinton comes in with a very specific plan. she's done her homework. but oftentimes seems to know bernie sanders's record better than he does and is able to use it against him. why he didn't know she was going to come in and talk about guns, she's telegraphed some of that previously with the sandy hook parents, for instance, he seemed so unprepared for that, this idea also about i think, you know, that he's a good at sort of diagnosing the problem, not good at fixing the problem. that's something you're going to hear going forward.
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she hasn't been able in previous debates this idea she's more of a pragmatist, he's the dreamer. that always having been a good matchup for her. i think this framing that he can diagnose the problem but she can actually fix it, i think that's something you're going hear more from her. >> van jones? >> i think more than anything else bernie sanders' stand for palestinian children and palestinian rights was extraordinary. it's not just that it was, you know, interesting politics in new york. it's that i've never seen a democratic candidate trying to be president -- i haven't seen a republican, i haven't seen anybody at his level of the game say, look, let's have a more balanced approach. that takes a level of courage and integrity. you can disagree with it, feel badly about it, you can be proud of it, but something happened tonight. and part of what is happening with this bernie sanders candidacy and the trump candidacy is that what's possible to talk about in american life is beginning to expand.
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for better or for worse. and i thought that was extraordinary. on the other hand, i thought he got his clock cleaned on the gun question. and it was ugly. i was hoping they would cut to commercial. i mean, it was really, really bad. and he didn't seem to have any ability to punch back. he could have said, well, you know, you've come a long way from annie oakley. remember? in 2008 she was hugging the gun lobby so much that barack obama called her annie oakley. he had nothing and he looked physically deflated. i think big picture, whatever you say, that was an extraordinary moment in american politics for someone to take the position he took, like it or not. >> donna brazile? >> there's no question the crowd, anderson. we've seen all the excitement on the republican side. they have large debates, big candidates, big personalities. tonight you saw on the democratic side two candidates who really wanted to get out
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there and not just talk about each other, but really address some issues, for gun safety, abortion right, gay right, civil rights. this was a loud debate. both candidates cleared the air. we're not going to hear tomorrow that bernie didn't say to hillary's face what he's been saying behind her back and hillary didn't say to bernie's face what she said behind his back. i loved it. i thought it was great. a few times i kept looking around saying am i at the apollo theater or am i in brooklyn? i i'm at home. >> do you think any minds were changed tonight? >> i don't think so. i'm not saying the race is set. a few undecided voters might have come away saying i fell in love tonight, i still like bernie, i still feel hillary's love. the bottom line is we're going to have a big turnout on tuesday and will determine the nomination in many ways. >> that is not a good result for bernie sanders. boy bernie sanders has to change the dynamics of this race. a tie is not good result for bernie sanders. it might be a moral victory but he has to start winning some of these big states.
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the reason the gun issue was so damaging is the consistencies are going to react most vehemently to that issue. the consistencies he has to make inroads with, people who are most often living with that gun violence issue. i think for that reason he did fine for his base. i don't think he expanded it. >> we got to take a quick break shortly. we're going to have a lot more ahead. plus, the people who did the questioning, wolf blitzer, dana bash, errol louis are going to join us. stay with us. look at 'em! they're lovin' their vegetables. this is huge news! it's all thanks to our birds eye chef's favorites side dishes perfectly sauced or seasoned. what are you..? shh! i'm live tweeting. oh, boy. birds eye. so veggie good.
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welcome back. we're down in the spin room with the smoke still clearing with a fiery democratic debate this evening. take a look. >> secretary clinton have the experience and intelligence to be president? of course she does in but i do but i do question, but i do question her judgment. i question a judgment which vote for the war in iraq, the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country. and i question her judgment
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about running super pacs which are collecting tens of millions of dollars from special interests, including $15 million from wall street. >> senator sanders did call me unqualified. i've been called a lot of things in my life. that was a first. and then he did say that he had to question my judgment. well, the people of new york voted for me twice to be their senator from new york. and -- and president obama trusted my judgment enough to ask me to be secretary of state for the united states. but if you go and read, which i hope all of you will before tuesday, senator sanders' long interview with the "new york daily news," talk about judgment and talk about the kinds of problems he had answering questions about even his core issue, breaking up the banks. when asked, he could not explain how that would be done.
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>> some of the exchanges tonight. joining us is the clinton campaign chairman, john podesta. thanks so much for being with us. can you offer any more clarity about why secretary clinton won't release the speeches she made to wall street banks? as dana bash pointed out, she's not running against the republicans right now, she's running against bernie sanders and he says he'll release the transcript of his paid speeches. >> look, anderson, i think she is just tired of being held to a double standard. i think when this becomes a standard for presidential candidates, she is happy to do it. what has been the standard is to release tax returns. we still haven't seen senator sanders release his, though he said he would release one year tomorrow. that's aught also not typical of presidential candidates. we'd like to see him go back as the secretary noted, she's had eight years of her tax returns
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up on her web site and she's released all the tax returns going back to the mid 1970s since she and her husband have been in public office. so let's create a single set of standards for all candidates and we'll abide by them. >> but surely you understand the perception that if there weren't anything problematic in what she said when she was making those speeches in the transcripts that you would just release them and put this whole topic to bed, wouldn't you? >> well, anderson, she has said what she thinks. she has the most comprehensive plan for wall street. she did it as a senator and she's doing it as a candidate. and, again, what it takes is to have not just a critique of what's wrong but real plans about what you need to do about it. and again, i think doesn't demonstrated that she had a depth of knowledge about what needs to happen across the
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financial sector, including the shadow banking system, and as senator sanders demonstrated in his "daily news" interview and really again tonight that he claims that he wants to break up the big banks but when he's asked how are you going to do that, he comes up short. so i think it's easy to kind of define the problem. it's harder to come up with solutions that make a real difference in people's lives. i think she demonstrated that strongly tonight. she had very strong segments on guns and other issues but i think we feel very good about where she came out tonight. >> i guess finally just on this topic, i just i just don't understand, it does seem like there must be something that she said that she wouldn't be embarrassed to have come out, or else you guys wouldn't keep letting this issue hang out there. >> anderson, if there is something that she said that -- it would have come out and there was reporting on some of those
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speeches in the "new york times" and other places when she gave them from people who listened to them. so i don't think that's the issue. the issue is is she going to be treated fairly in this campaign. that's what we're trying to establish. >> senator sanders' wife, jane, says she does not think senator secretary clinton will get enough delegates to clinch the nomination, but the race is definitely going to a contested convention where all bets will be off on who the so-called super delegates would support. you saw them switching in 2008 from then senator clinton to candidate barack obama. are you concerned about that? >> not really. and i'll tell you why. because we're going to win the pledge delegates. we have a 220 pledged delegate lead. but most importantly, we're winning the popular vote. we have 2.3 million more votes than senator sanders does. so it would be a strange democratic revolution if the candidate that won the popular vote, if the candidate that won
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the elected delegate vote turned around and said having said earlier in the campaign season that the super delegates are an undemocratic form, that he's going to go back to the people he's criticized as party leaders and say give me your vote to overturn the popular votes that have been cast across the country, overturn the pledged delegates that have been won and hand me the nomination. that's not going to happen. >> john podesta, i appreciate you being here tonight. >> in an election previously. >> john, thank you very much. appreciate it. back with our panel. gloria, david? >> i thought john made a very strong point at the end there that was very compelling. he was about as effective in defending the lack of release of those transcripts as his candidate was in the debate, which is to say not at all. >> right. it doesn't make any sense. >> there is no -- you made the point several times. they're hurting themselves by
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not releasing these transcripts and he looked uncomfortable and she looked uncomfortable. now, i will say it's equally bewildering as to why bernie sanders doesn't release his income taxes. i can't imagine -- he says himself i have a very modest income tax returns. and he says but my wife jane handles them and we've been busy. i would dispatch her. i would say, jane, i love having you on the trail and it's very important, but why don't you go home for a day and grab up those tax returns and release them and end this issue. >> you've raised a huge amount of money. you can get h & r block to get in there and release some returns. let's just play the exchange about the paid speeches tonight. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this. and was that before or after you
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received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements behind them? so they must have been very, very upset by what you did. >> secretary clinton, senator sanders keeps bringing up the speeches you gave to goldman sachs. i'd like to ask you. you said you don't want to release the transcripts until everybody does it, but if there is nothing in those speeches that you think would change voters' minds, why not just release the transcripts and put this whole issue to bed? >> you know, first of all -- first of all, there isn't an issue. when i was in public service serving as the senator from new york, i did stand up to the banks. i did make it clear that their behavior would not be excused. >> secretary clinton, the question was about the transcripts of the speeches to goldman sachs. >> i have said, look, there are
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certain expectations when you run for president. this is a new one, and i've said if everybody agrees to do it because there are speeches for money on the other side, i know that. >> just to put a button on this, you're running now for the democratic nomination. >> right. >> and it is your democratic opponent and many democratic voters who want to see those transcripts. it's not about the republicans. >> you know, let's set the same standard for everybody. when everybody does it, okay, i will do it, but let's set and expect the same standard on tax returns, everybody does it and then we move forward. >> thank you. >> well, let me respond. secretary clinton, you just heard her, everybody else does it, she'll do it, i will do it. i am going to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave on wall street behind
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closed doors not for $225,000, not for 2,000, not for 2 cents. there were no speeches. >> gloria? >> he had a real opportunity there that i think he kind of blew, which was to say, okay, i'm going to release the past ten years of my income taxes, it may take a little bit longer if jane has to do it or h & r block has to do it, but then you need to promise, democrats, that you're going to release the transcripts of your speeches. wall street is an issue, a big issue between these two candidates. and why would hillary clinton want to hide anything unless she had something to hide? she said it's a double standard? well, it's really just a new standard because wall street is an issue, and i believe that hillary clinton probably has nothing to hide so release the transcripts. >> part of the thing is, too, the way it happened -- by the
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way, if i were giving advice, i'd tell bernie sanders just admit you were wrong about the guns. you cannot defend that position. and i would tell hillary just release the damn transcripts. >> would you tell bernie to release his tax returns? >> of course. of course. >> you got a list of things you got to remind people of, bill. >> i do. >> on the speeches, hillary's rule giving this speech was she not only negotiated the price, but that she would control the transcript. it was in her possession. she is the one who can release it. goldman sachs doesn't even have it. she's got control of it. she's got to do it. >> i want to head back to jake tapper, who has the debate moderators, wolf blitzer and dana bash is joining him as well as errol louis. jake? >> thanks, anderson. we have our dream team right here fresh after this great debate, really powerful. wolf, let's start with you, the moderator, the emcee of the evening. they really came to play. i imagine you were prepared for
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them to not, but -- >> we actually in all of our preparation, as you know, you go through a lot of preparation for days and days. we do what we call these mock debates, we have people playing hillary clinton, playing bernie sanders and we go through possible questions, how they might respond. and we were preparing for a very lively debate, although i agree with you, it was a little bit more lively than we anticipated but we were prepared for that. >> dana, i think we all knew that bernie sanders was going to come out swinging. he's behind in the polls here, he's really been much more aggressive in the last few weeks. the question, to me at least, before the debate is where is hillary clinton going to be, is she going to be as aggressive back? when i interviewed her on sunday on "state of the union" she said at the very beginning of the interview i'm not going to say anything negative about him. apparently she was storing it up, waiting for tonight. >> that's exactly what she was doing. they both have a lot to gain and a lot to lose right now. it was obvious, i mean, you can
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still feel the heat coming off the stage back here, that they did both recognize that. i actually thought what was really tremendous is that they do genuinely have differences on a lot of issues, and the heat -- i mean, there were some political questions, important political questions that we asked and they mixed it up on, but from everything from israel to wall street, they mixed it up on policy. >> yeah, i know. errol louis, thanks for joining us. you were a great addition to the panel this evening. what struck you in terms of good moments and bad moments the candidates had? >> i thought hillary clinton had a pretty good moment in trying to recover from a pretty tough question that she got about, you know, guns coming over the border from vermont. we essentially caught her and her campaign really kind of not fabricating but seriously exaggerating. when wolf asked her are you
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really saying that this is a big problem? i thought it was good. because she then went to really the heart of the problem so we got away from the silliness and went to the heart of the problem, which is to say we need gun regulation. it's a serious problem. i've got a solution that is different from his, and his record isn't so good. so she sort of acknowledged in her own way that, yeah, that was kind of a side point and she went right to the heart of it. i thought it was really good for the voters to hear that. >> one of the few issues where she can outflank bernie sanders on the left, which is especially important in the new york primary. wolf, probably more discussion and disagreement on the subject of the israeli-palestinian conflict in this debate than maybe any other presidential debate that i can remember. i think one of the reasons is we really haven't seen a candidate like bernie sanders, who is willing to criticize israel. generally speaking presidential candidates in this country are fairly -- i don't know what the term would be.
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respectful, willing to let israel have the benefit of the doubt. sanders and clinton with a difference of opinion. >> especially when he went after her for not addressing the palestinian grievances as thoroughly as he has done. you're absolutely right, you are don't hear a lot of american politicians doing that, especially in a presidential debate of this nature. >> certainly not before the new york primaries. >> exactly. >> he was willing to do that. and it just underscored what i was so happy about. we talked about the most important domestic national security issues and the voters out there, voters who are still undecided got a sense to see where these two individuals disagree on critically important issues and hopefully they'll have a better in new york state and then the states that follow have a better opportunity to know who to support going into these coming caucuses. >> for anybody wondering, the jewish vote in new york democratic party in 2008 was about 15% of the democratic party, and they went for clinton
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over obama 2-1. >> quite large. i was waiting for her -- i thought she had a big missed opportunity on that issue, which is he kept saying when you spoke apac, which is the american-israel public affairs council, said it three times, didn't mention the palestinians. he didn't even go to speak. that could have been such a moment for her, to shut imdown on that, that she came and she tried and she was reaching out to, as you say, a very important constituency, especially right here in new york. and she didn't. >> yeah, we can tell how big the constituency is because we've seen ted cruz and john kasich make matzoh in new york, matzoh that i'm sure, anderson cooper is lining his cabinets with in anticipation of the passover holiday. anderson, back to you. >> absolutely, jake, yes, sir. much more with our panel ahead. also, bernie sanders, his campaign manager joins the conversation.
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you're looking at secretary clinton talking to supporters not far from here at a watch party, there with new york's mayor bill de blasio and his wife. let's listen in. >> now, i just want to thank all of you. i look around here, i see some very familiar faces and a lot of new faces. i'm happy that you are here. here in brooklyn. you know, the two people behind me call brooklyn home. >> and back with the panel. lsd joining us is sanders' campaign manager jered weaver.
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>> i thought he was very forceful in laying out his vision. >> was it as contentious? was it what you expected? it got very heated there. >> it was all on substance. you compare this to republican debates. there were some clashes out there on important issues but they were on issues. >> we just saw secretary clinton at a watch party talking to supporters. senator sanders is already heading to vatican city for an event at the vatican. he's going to be back saturday? >> he'll be back early saturday. >> are you concerned at all about -- obviously there's the impact it will have here in new york, having him out of pocket? >> there are some things above politics. the invitation came from the vatican to talk about a moral -- economy his entire life, really felt that he wanted to go to that. >> there are politics involved in that it does put him on an international stage for something who doesn't necessarily have the same international experience as hillary clinton. >> well, i think if you look at the issues of moral economy, that's what the found dogs of his campaign is.
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he's talking about a moral economy. that has national as well as international ramifications. >> david? >> wouldn't he be in a position to advance the moral economy by doing well in the new york primary and advancing his nomination? wouldn't he have a better chance to do that if he's in new york campaigning? >> look, everybody has made their choices. the secretary has zipped out of new york quite a few times to go out to out of state fundraisers. it's not like the secretary has been here in new york the entire time either. >> jeff, let me ask you. bernie sanders had an opportunity tonight to get hillary clinton to release her speech transcripts by saying that he would release all of his tax returns. and he said he'd only release one year of his tax returns. why doesn't he just say, okay, i'll do ten years of tax returns? >> i think he said he'll release one year tomorrow and then a bunch of others. yes, of course he will, yes. i guarantee you they're very boring. >> so when would he do it? how quickly will he do it? >> i think it will be pretty soon, gloria. >> do you think there's something in her speech transcripts that would reveal something about her true
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attitude towards wall street? >> you have to wonder what's in them. she has fought so hard not to release them. why do you do that if there's nothing in them? what's the harm? we know she has them because she required all of these people to pay for them to be transcribed. so we know she has copies of the speeches. >> can't you get them from someone? >> can get them from whom? >> she controls them. we just had john podesta on who said it a double standard. you don't buy that argument? >> no. bernie sanders obviously tonight he gave out all of his wall street transcripts right there in front of america. >> bernie sanders seems to be unprepared for hillary clinton's attacks on guns. and some of his previous votes on guns. bill press has suggested maybe he should apologize over some of his past votes in terms of guns. what do you make of why he's getting tripped up and how he can sort of clarify this issue and not make it such a sore point in these debates? >> just for the record i said i thought his vote against that bill was wrong and he should say so. not apologize. it was wrong.
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>> look, he's supporting -- he is coresponsering legislation in the senate to strip away most of the bad parts of that bill. each has said he's in favor of revising it to make it far, far, far narrower. there were a couple of provisions like getting rid of cop killer bullets and putting child safety locks on guns which everybody in this circle would agree were good things. in terms of liability provisions, he want to substantially narrow it. he said that. he has a d-minus with the nra. he voted to get rid of the weapons that were used at sandy hook. >> the way the democratic party works, a d-minus is like if you grade on a curve, it's like a b-plus. everybody gets fs. >> well, that's not entirely true. hillary clinton is "a" list, people who have a ratings with the nra, people who have a ratings. >> are you sorry he answered the sandy hook question the way he did? >> if you read it, look, they
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asked him a question. he answered it then he went on to a more nuanced explanation to his answer. the clinton people say he said oh look, he said no here. but they ignore all the rest of the answer that came after that. >> but the sandy hook families themselves were very condemning of what he said. >> i understand. i'm parent, i have young kids. i can't imagine what they're going through. to have that happen in your family, unimaginable. >> we have to wrap it up. going to new york, how confident are you? what are you looking for here? >> clearly we have to win most states going forward, no doubt about that. but we don't have to win every state. no individual state is a must win. we have to do well everywhere. i think we will do well of where. you saw the crowd last night here in new york city, 27,000, all around buffalo, big crowds. big crowd everywhere. >> you have no doubt this is going to a contested convention? >> nobody is going to the contested convention with the pledged number. that means they have to appeal to super delegates.
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the polls show bernie sanders is best able to beat republicans. >> if enough super delegates are pledged to put her over the top before you get to the convention, will you concede that point? >> no, because they're not pledged until they vote at the convention. every super delegate is called an unpledged delegate. it is not pledged to anybody. they may articulate a position. they get to the convention and they are able to vote for who they want. >> jeff weaver, great to have you here. more with the panel ahead.
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midnight here in brooklyn after a contentious night of debating. a high stakes brawl less than five days before new yorkers go to the polls and vote between bernie sanders who came in with a lot of momentum and hillary clinton with the delegates. they are already making headlines. we will talk to many of them tonight fact checking them. we will see it through the eyes of the voters through the decision could change the race,
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but first some of the key moments. >> does secretary clinton have the experience to be president? of course, she does. but i do question her judgment. i question a judgment which voted for the war in iraq. the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country. voted for every virtually disastrous trade agreement which cost us millions of good paying jobs. i question her judgment about runni running super pacs which are collecting tens of millions of dollars from wall street. >> it is true now the spotlight in new york, bernie sanders called me uncakwaucall unqualifd
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that was a first. he questioned by judgment. the people of new york voted me twice to be their senator from new york. president obama trusted my judgment enough to ask me to be secretary of state of the united states. so, look, we have disagreements on policy. there's no doubt about it. if you go and read, which i hope you will before tuesday, senator sanders long interview with "the new york daily news" talk about judgment and kinds of problems he had answering questions about the banks.ore issue breaking up when asked, he could not explain how that would be done and when asked about a number of foreign policy issues, he could not answer about afghanistan, about israel, about counterterrorism,
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except to say if he had some paper in front of him, maybe he could. could you name one decision that she favored banks because of the money she received? >> the obvious decision is when the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the great depression of the '30s. secretary clinton was busy giving speeches to goldman sachs for $225,000 a speech. so the proper response -- the proper response in my view is we should break them up. >> dana, he cannot come up with any example because there is no example. it is important -- it's always important. it may be inconvenient, but it
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is always important to get the facts straight. i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness. they must have been really crushed by this. and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements? they must have been very, very upset. of course, we will release our taxes. jane does our taxes. we have been a little bit busy lately. you'll excuse us. we will get them out. >> senator. >> you know, there are a lot of copy machines around. >> you have been asked for weeks and weeks to release your tax returns. >> we have one coming out tomorrow. >> which one? >> last year.
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>> 2014. >> yes. i don't want to get anybody very excited. they are very boring tax returns. i'm sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. that is not accurate. >> i have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight times. i said the same thing. if we can raise it to $15 in new york or los angeles or seattle, let's do it. >> you are both screaming at each other. the viewers will not hear either of you. >> this is a serious difference between us. what i want to start by saying, it's not a laughing matter. 90 people on average a day, are killed or commit suicide or die in accidents from guns. 33,000 people a year. i take it really seriously. >> do you regret your advocacy
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for the crime bill? >> i supported the crime bill. my husband has apologized. he was the president who actually signed it. senator sanders voted for it. i'm sorry for the consequences that were unintended and have had a very unfortunate impact on people's lives. >> of course israel has a right to defend itself. but long term there will never been peace in that region unless the united states plays a role and even handed role trying to bring people together in recognizing the serious problems that exist among the palestinian people. that is what i believe the world wants us to do and that's the kind of leadership that we have got to exercise. >> if describing the problem is easier than trying to solve it. >> those are some of the more contentious moments throughout the debate tonight.
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the question is how are voters reacting to them? let's go to randi kaye across in harlem at a watch party. >> reporter: anderson, good morning to you. we have been watching the debate with a group of harlem democratic groups. everybody fired up about this debate tonight. tell me first of all with just a show of hands, who thinks bernie sanders won tonight's debate? let's see the hillary supporters. who thinks that hillary clinton won tonight's debate? all right. i want to ask people because as we know, certainly this week and even tonight, the qualifications to be president and who is more qualified to be president was a big issue. let me ask you. who is more qualified to be president? >> hillary clinton is more qualified to be the president of the united states because she knows the issues and she takes
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care of business. she is one of the strongest women i know. >> i think she made her point. i see a bernie sanders button right here. you obviously disagree. >> yes. bernie sanders. >> why? >> bernie sanders has been on the frontlines of civil rights after since before i was born and i'm 29. not to mention -- thank you. not to mention he cares about the people, number one, and he's for the people. he doesn't have super pacs that hillary clinton does. >> and let's get to the minimum wage issue. they were discussing whether it should be $12 or $15. >> contrary to secretary clinton's views, now is not the time to maintain status quo. now is the time for real change in the country. the working class and middle class in this country have chips squarely stacked against them.
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now is the time to empower the people. one of the best ways to do that is raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> a lot of you feel very strongly about that, but also what got a big reaction from you tonight was the debate about guns and whether or not the manufacturers should be held accountable for a gun that's on the street that may harm or kill someone. you had a strong opinion. >> absolutely. i think it was tip o'neill that said all politics is local. if you walk the community, those paren parents understand. the candidate that fights the nra is the candidate we should be behind. that's hillary clinton. >> some of the folks here tonight had come in decided on certain candidates and actually changed their mind.
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let me include one here. walter. you switched from whom to whom? >> i switched from bernie to hillary because bernie seemed to be stubborn in the past and hillary is more adaptive to the future. >> reporter: thank you. we had about 200 here. only about nine are still undecided. back to you. >> randi, thanks so much. thanks to everybody who stayed late. we have s.e. cupp and national chairman debbie waserman schultz. as for who donna supports, they once told the washington post she supports writer george will. i don't have personal knowledge of that. we are all counting the minutes. thanks for being with us. in terms of what you saw
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tonight, did you expect it to be as contentious as it was? >> it was at the narrow end of the funnel now as we wrap up the last stages of the primary nominating contest. it is natural for it to get more pointed and a little bit more sharp in tone. they're exercising the muscle. no question about it. what it shows is because they stuck to the issues and they are robustly disagreeing on how to reach the same goals, but take a different approach, demonstrates either one will take the fight to the republicans and show they will fight on behalf of the people. >> as you said, things are polarized. how concern are you about the ability to come together after the convention? >> i think it's my responsibility as chair to caution the supporters of the candidates whom i'm actually want to caution a little bit more than the candidates. the candidates get it.
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they know tone is important. they have to make sure they take actions to allow for supporters to come back. it was more divisive. any one of us involved in the campaign in 2008, by this point it is more intense. we easily came back together and supported barack obama. one day i was on tv for hillary clinton and two days later, i was on tv for barack obama. we were pretty darn unified. >> in terms of the convention, how do you plan for a contested convention? >> i don't think we will have a contested. >> at least it will go to the convention. you don't believe it? you believe a candidate will be chosen? >> i think the process will play out with a presumptive nominee. >> one candidate will get enough pledged delegates?
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>> we will know a presumptive nominee prior to the convention. it doesn't mean the candidates won't remain fully engaged because certainly there is a platform we have to build and both candidates will have an interest in what goes into that platform. i would expect that the way the process plays out, i don't have a concern that we will have a contested convention. >> critics of bernie sanders say he hasn't done enough to raise money for the democratic party. he said he raised millions for the democratic party. >> he said he raised millions for the senate democrats. >> are you satisfied with the efforts he has made thus far? >> i'm focused as the chair on running two parallel efforts. i have to help prepare the party for the eventual nominee and party. we could use all the help we
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could get. we encourage both candidates to roll up their sleeves and make sure we can be as prepared as possible. regardless of how we are laughing behind our hands about what is going on on the other side of the aisle, the country is quite divided. this is going to be a real contest. this is not a walk in the park. we need to be operating on all cylinders. >> i know you have other questions? >> what did you think about the tenor of tonight's debate and moving forward? i'm not sure we expected this tenor. i said politics is a contact sport. >> you thought it was sharper? >> how does it benefit us? how do you feel that benefits democrats going forward? >> it was as sharp as i expected it to be. if you looked at the last couple weeks and some of the jabs they have been taking. this is not surprising. look, again it is all around the
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substance of the issues. voters looking at the debate tonight got a good picture of what the candidates do to help move us forward. they look at the republicans, they are in a civil war food fight. i think at the end of their convention, the republican party will not be the republican party of today. they will likely be blowing themselves to smithereens. >> whoa, thank you for the lead-in there. >> donald trump was invoked on the stage tonight. does it benefit donald trump to have at this point secretary clinton invoking him? >> sure. absolutely. we draw these lines as ronald reagan say, you draw the line between the two sides and take your case to the american people. absolutely this helps. this helps in a variety of ways. i noticed on some issues like nato, your candidate sounded
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very much like donald trump tonight. >> it was interesting, s.e., he was specifically asked that. >> your candidate. >> by dana bash. he sort of tossed that aside. he said you have to talk to donald trump about his position. >> there are some odd crossover, you know, issues, and crossover problems that bernie sanders and donald trump share. it's a really remarkable season. one of many reasons why it's remarkable. look, whatever benefit to donald trump, hillary is calling him out as presumably because since 1920, women can vote. hillary clinton is going to do much better against donald trump than he will. to pretend that the things he said about women over the course of this campaign will not have an effect with women voters and a sizable effect is a fantasy.
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with that said, i really hope some of the things the candidates said tonight get repeated in a general election. like assault weapons and expanding funding for planned parenthood. that stuff will be very problematic in a general election. i'm sure they will try to triangulate. you cannot unhear some of the things you heard tonight. >> we had a pretty robust discussion in 2012 with obama and mitt romney over planned parenthood should receive funding. planned parenthood is one of the top two popular organizations nationwide. >> and the other is nra. >> unfortunate, but true. the american people weighed in on funding. >> for bernie sanders to say he wants to expand it. i don't think plays -- i think that is an extreme. >> although if donald trump is a
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nominee, he said favored things. >> that is not where this election is going to turn. i agree. i hope they talk about it a lot. >> we have to take a quick break. debbie wasserman schultz. see what statements make the facts. we'll have that when we come back. i think we should've taken a tarzan know where tarzan go! tarzan does not know where tarzan go. hey, excuse me,
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do you know where the waterfall is? waterfall? no, me tarzan, king of jungle. why don't you want to just ask somebody? if you're a couple, you fight over directions. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. oh ohhhhh it's what you do. ohhhhhh! do you have to do that right in my ear?
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the accusations from the debate stage were flying around
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brooklyn tonight faster than a hipster on a hoverboard. we are putting them to the test of the scrutiny. we have tom forman with the reality check. >> reporter: bernie sanders and hillary clinton sparred with each other over who is the champion of the $15 an hour minimum wage. >> when this campaign began, i said we have to end the starvation minimum wage of $7.25 and raise it to $15. secretary clinton said let's raise it to $12. there's a difference. >> i said from the beginning, i support the fight for 15. i supported those on the frontlines. it happens to be true. >> well, let's break this into two parts. go to bernie sanders web site. he said the current federal minimum wage is starvation pay. we must increase it to $15 an hour from $7.25 an hour over the
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next several years. his position is unequivocal and clear. his claim about himself is true. her position is more complicated. go to her web site. what does it say? she supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour. she believes we should go further through local and state efforts like los angeles and new york to $15 an hour. she admitted all of this in the conversation on stage today, but only after hitting the idea she's in favor of a $15 wage. in the end, she suggesting she is pushing it as strongly and robustly as a federal level as bernie sanders. that is simply not the case. we will say nonetheless, her claim was true, but misleading. you find out more how we decide all of these things and many other things we check by going to cnn.com/realitycheck.
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anderson. >> tom, thanks very much. back with the panel. joining us is chief political gloria borger. >> it is the spin room dying down here. >> what else stood out here in terms of making headlines tomorrow? what will we hear about? >> i just think the intensity of the debate between the two candidates, i also think it was stunning, bernie sanders's position on israel for example. stunning for a candidate in new york, a democrat in new york to speak the way he did. you know, he basically sounded like donald trump on the question of israel. you know, donald trump said you have to have an honest broker. >> the difference is donald trump did go to aipac and bernie sanders didn't. he said he had a scheduling conflict. >> as long as we are talking
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about donald trump. on nato. bernie sanders sounded like donald trump on nato. we should get our european al i allies on that. we say sanders and trump are the flip of the same coin. >> there were a number of republican senators saying behind closed doors that not necessarily that donald trump is right, but taking that position. nato members need to pony up a bit more for their own defense. i'm beginning to think this point of view on nato is catching on. >> we actually have that exchange about nato. let's play that. >> donald trump also argues that nato is unfair economically to the u.s. because america pays a disproporti disproporti disproportionate share. >> you have to ask trump. all i can tell you with a huge
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deficit with 47 million people living in poverty and our inner cities collapsing, i think countries like germany and european countries whose economy or at least standard of living and health care and education, they are doing pretty well. i would not be embarrassed to say to the you're peeuropean al. you have to put up your fair share of the defense burden. >> there are 28 countries in the alliance. the united states gives more money to nato's budget than 21 of the countries combined. if they don't agree to pay more as you suggested, what would you do as commander in chief? >> i will stay in nato and we will continue to look for missions and other kinds of programs that they will support. with russia being more aggressive making all kinds of
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intimidating moves toward the baltic countries. we have seen what they have done in eastern ukraine. we know how they want to rewrite the map of europe. it is not in our interest. think of how much it costs if russia was not deterred because nato was on the front lines. >> it is interesting. this question would not had been asked had it not been donald trump's comments he made to wolf blitzer. >> i think it is safe to say this is another example of leadership. he takes a position on an issue that other people are either afraid to take or haven't taken or ignored for one reason or another. then the next thing you know, a building consensus around the issue. yes, in fact, we must do something about it. >> i think if you check the record, you find that bernie sanders talked about cutting back our share. making the european nations pay their share of the costs long
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before donald trump did. i don't know who is following whom here. can i go back for a second? one other thing we have not talked about. we saw hillary clinton here which she was very weak on the minimum wage question. i thought bernie sanders was stronger, i should put it that way, when he talked about judgment. we knew it would come up. he said of course she is qualified to be president. she has experience. i question her judgment. i thought he scored a couple of times coming back to the judgment on iraq and libya. president obama says his number one mistake and she was the lead on that. >> you say she was weak on minimum wage, do you think her actual position is weak or the way she described it? >> inconsistent. >> her position is totally inconsistent. you cannot say i want to raise minimum wage to $12 an hour, but also support raising to 15.
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which is it? it's 12 for her. >> let's take a quick break. we have more with the panel ahead.
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not much love between hillary clinton and bernie sanders on the debate stage here tonight. that's an understatement, but plenty of interruptions. take a look. >> hold it. hold it. that's not accurate. >> i have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight times. >> hold it. secretary. >> secretary, please. >> secretary, the viewers. if you are both screaming at each other, the viewers will not hear either of you. >> what she said was totally absurd. >> let me say. >> secretary, let him finish. >> okay. >> excuse me. i think i'm responding now. >> please. go ahead. >> secretary clinton made this charge in previous debates. just repeating it doesn't make it truer. >> i know you're not shy when you oppose something, senator.
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>> interesting comment, but you didn't answer the question. >> i did. >> no, you didn't. >> i did answer the question. don't put words in my mouth and say something that's not accurate. >> hey. >> get it together. >> donna, debbie wasserman schultz says this is where we are in the race. >> let's be honest. it's uncomfortable to see two of the wonderful courageous warriors going after each other. this was an opportunity to get clarification on the issues. also to see their candidates spar. the republicans are dormant right now. you are not debating. we're still having debates. >> listen, what is remarkable about the tone of tonight's
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debate, someone said to me, gosh, i think bernie landed some big punches. i said did he or are we not used to seeing hillary clinton get scrutinized by other democrats? i think through benghazi, democrats rallied around hillary clinton. it is rare to see a democrat publicly confront her or question her or challenge her. to see bernie sanders do that so frontally tonight was jarring. it was really -- >> also outside of bernie sanders talking about the judgment issue, which i don't think he won because hillary clinton asked have your campaign contributions influenced. >> you're going to a different topic. judgment on foreign policy. >> it was a judgment attack. he swung and whiffed. he didn't connect on that. outside of that interchange, we
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saw a high level, substantive debate. there are issues going into next tuesday. the first is mass incarceration. the fact that hillary clinton, one of the headlines you will read tomorrow is hillary clinton apologizing for the consequences unintended of the 1994 crime bill. that was very important. number two -- >> that's as far as she's gone so far. >> i was taken aback. i wish both candidates would have talked more about the clinton project and what they will do moving forward. it was stuck in the 1990s. number two, the issue of guns. the issue of guns was a near knockout blow that hillary clinton landed on bernie sanders. bernie sanders, for all of his conviction, one of the things he never evolved on with the rest of the country is the issue of guns. that is his achilles heel.
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going into new york, that's going to be it. >> i'll say it again. i personally am a bernie supporter and believe he is wrong on that issue. believe he voted the wrong way. i understand where he's coming from, but what i don't understand is there was nothing new tonight. we didn't learn anything new. this was an issue debated in the same bad answer in the first debate and he gave the same bad answer tonight. >> but hillary clinton was better tonight. >> she was. no, she was. >> he went back to his book. somebody did great oppo research. the reason you voted this way was because you wanted to get elected in 1990 and you lost in 1988. so she kind of levelled him on that. >> i will say no candidate is perfect. that's the issue where i believe bernie falls short. >> i believe secretary clinton toward the end used that time to point out questions about a
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woman's right to choose had not been asked. my guess is it hadn't been asked because there is not much difference between the two democrats and in a debate like this, you want differences they will debate on. you don't want them agreeing. >> you want them in contrast to the republicans, especially on reproductive rights and gay rights and human rights. these are issues that democrats championed and care deeply about. i got to say something first and i love bernie sanders and i love jane sanders and bill and hillary. let's get the love over with. i am a southerner. i understand that some people are upset that southerners vote a certain way. i am grateful that we have southern democrats and southern independents who are still willing to be progressive and still fight. i just want to let bernie sanders know we southerners, we have a good tremendous pride in our heritage and history as
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well. i don't think he meant it, but it is a little bit too -- you're piling on people in the poorest region of the country. people struggling to find ways to get back on their feet and just knock us off. >> we have to get another quick break in. a programming note. on the republican side, donald trump's manager will be on "new day" tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. back with more as our debate coverage continues.
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debate night in brooklyn. hillary clinton and bernie sanders facing off from gun control to the minimum wage to the situation in libya. >> according to "the new york times" for president obama, this was a tough call. a 51/49 call. do you overthrow moammar gadhafi? "the new york times" said that was secretary clinton that led
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the regime change. this is the same mentality that supported the war in iraq. look, gadhafi, saddam hussein are brutal murdering thugs. no debate about that. what we have got to do and what the president was saying is we didn't think thoroughly about what happens the day after you get rid of these dictators. regime change often has unintended consequences. >> i would just point out that there was a vote in the senate as to whether or not the united states should support the efforts by the libyan people to protect themselves against the threats, the genocide threats coming from gadhafi and whether we should go to the united nations to seek security council support.
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senator sanders supported that. we went to the united nations security council. we got support from the security council and we then supported the efforts of our european and arab allies and partners. >> and back now with our panel. anybody? >> you have to listen to hillary clinton's answer on this. she's going to have to talk about libya over and over again in the general election. she becomes the nominee. >> donald will talk about it. >> the president has distanced himself and said it was a mistake. she he said tonight she didn't come out and say that. she said we helped them hold two successful elections. we're proud of that. we got rid of the chemical weapons stockpile. this is going to be tied to her now because she didn't go as far as the president.
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>> let me add also, she also reiterated her support for the no-fly zone in syria, which is another -- almost close to regime change. she is a hulk on foreign policy. >> the president is not. >> she did not back down tonight. >> in a general, you could argue that is in her favor with independents or republicans who don't want to go with donald trump. >> i don't know. she's got a number of foreign policy landmines to navigate. she wants to claim libya as a significant foreign policy moment where she was in charge and leaded way. the flip side is yes, you are responsible for the outcome. what i heard in terms of foreign policy is lamenting the fact is no one stood up.
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i felt that was below the wait line and if she continues to use that line, i think, then that's an opportunity for republicans in a general, whoever it is, to say look, what would you have done differently? you talk about doing things differently in syria. would you be a more hawkish president than president obama. >> and is donald trump equipped enough to have a policy debate with hillary clinton? >> is that a serious question? no. >> everybody knows the answer is no. you are talking about a woman who negotiated a cease-fire in the gaza strip. >> he says nukes for everyone. >> when you look at the comparison between the two, i know hillary clinton does have some landmines to navigate. the fact of the matter is, when you get to the nitty gritty in
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november. >> it is the question of whether her experience brought. benghazi or libya. it has been one disaster after another. there's a lot of problems. she can have all of the experience in the world that takes her in the wrong direction, it will not be very good. >> let's look at more of your results of votes online. we asked you to weigh in. the votes are tallied at the bottom of the screen. 69% say yes. 31% say no. we are back with another debate reality check.
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"so your score went up, what are you going to do know? get a loan and finally finish culinary school...?" "learn how to make the perfect macaron... come back and open your own authentic french bakery?" "i think i need credit karma too." "check out credit karma today." we have time for another debate reality check. let's go to tom forman. >> anderson, hillary clinton tried to suggest that one reason new york has a gun violence problem is all the states around it like bernie sanders home state of vermont have lax gun laws. >> the fact is most of the crimes in new york come from out of state. they come from the states that don't have the serious efforts to control guns that we do in
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new york. >> well, the federal numbers are more complicated than she's suggesting. in 2014, the atf took about 7,700 guns from crimes in new york. out of the number of guns, they traced to registrations outside of new york was about 4,600 of the guns. 40% we don't know anything about roughly. on top of which, authorities say they don't get all of the guns used in crimes. they don't know where they came from. they don't trace all of the guns they get. they don't try in some cases. her numbers look squishy there. when she tries to link it to vermont, that is questionable. she is not trying to blame
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vermont, main like hillary clinton think sanders is vulnerable on guns in his home state. you can't say vermont is to blame. in fact, the evidence is not there to support her entire claim tonight that most of the gun violence is because of other states. that may be true. you may think that's common sense, but the evidence is not there for that nor is there effo evident to refute it. all we can say, anderson, is it's complicated. >> bakari? >> it's complicated. tonight, i think that the democratic party won. tonight was our night to shine. you saw both candidates who had come a long way in the race. it was a substantive debate. i'm proud to be a democrat tonight. >> i think brooklyn won. this crowd tonight was phenomenal.
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they fed off the energy. i think new yorkers knew hillary clinton before tonight. now they know bernie sanders. i think that makes a very tight race on tuesday. >> donna, do you want to see more debates? >> yes. i get an opportunity to see you, anderson. i want to say wolf, dana, errol, great moderating. great panel. good questions. yes. i liked it. >> even some of the questions got applause because voters really wanted some of the questions to be asked of their rival candidates. i thought it was a great night for new york. as a former new yorker to be relevant at this stage in the election is truly amazing. we're relevant on the republican side as well. >> it was a great night for the republican party becauseou bet that somewhere in the basement in washington, the tapes were rolling. they will be spitting out positions by fall without any
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