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>> i want to ask just in closing to each of you kids, i hate to call you kids, but it makes me feel younger. is there something you have learned about your dad in the course of this campaign that you didn't know or that you -- yeah, that you didn't know? >> i think it's an amazing question because we've seen so many. just the weperseverance that we always knew was there. but going into something as a freshman politician and being the star of the super bowl right now, it's pretty incredible. i think it's not so much i learned anything new, it just reinforced what i already knew about him as just being just the hardest working guy i've ever seen. i mean, it's just the drive, the work ethic that we've seen our whole lives has been reinforced at this stage in his life. after everything he's done, to want to do this and do this for the country, it's really special. >> i'd say passion. he came into this race with so much passion. he put everything into it, kids, go run the company, take on the company, do what you you've done
so well. i'm going to do this. i'm going to do this for the country. his whole career, whether it's building the greatest buildings in the world, building one of great hotel portfolios in the world, "the apprentice," now running for president. he has the ability to turn things into gold. it's really largely due to the passion. it's the passion that makes him so successful for what he does. >> he never gives up. he's works harder and harder and through this process i've learned he's able to balance everything he's doing on the campaign trail with his business and also taking care of us and being such an amazing father. i think having those two qualities and us receiving so much love from him even when he's so busy is an amazing quality to have. >> i think one of the things i've always been most inspired by in observing my father is the way that he really inspires others, the way -- at our
company, at the trump organization, he will set a very aggressive, a very bold vision, and then really help people find it, help people both unearth their own potential and also work together to achieving the vision that he's chartered for the company. and i think watching him on this platform also set an unbelievably bold vision, also really spearhead the conversation. and really whether you agree with the platform or disagree with his policies on certain issues, he is guiding the conversation on both sides of the aisle, he's guiding the agenda and charting the course for what's been discussed for the past ten months. that's what leadership is. now he's doing that across this country and it's really remarkable. >> melania, is there something you've learned about him that you really didn't know? >> well, i knew his drive, and
i'm with him almost every day. and i go through the good, bad, and the ugly stuff and, you know, we going through it and he's strong, he's passionate, he's smart, he's tough, and he's handling fantastic because he's passionate about the country. >> mr. trump, is there something you didn't know about yourself? that you've learned? >> well, i think something was reinforced tonight. you know, i've known the most successful people in the world. many of them are very unhappy people, many of them that you know. many of them are unhappy. i've always said the most important thing is having a great family. the family is more important. to me the most successful, the people that seem to be the happiest are with a great family. you can see i have a wonderful family, and it's been very important to me. i think it's been a real stabilizing factor. i don't think i would have had the kind of success i've had without my family. >> is business life tougher or political life? well, i think the political life
is more dishonest. i find people in politics are more dishonest than pretty dishonest business people, to tell you the truth. i think the business people are tougher. i think the business people -- i know them all. we'll use some of these tough people to renegotiate our trade deals, believe me. i know the good ones and the bad ones and i know the overrated ones and the ones that are the best of all that are unheard of. we'll use the best. we don't use the best right now. i think the business people are tougher, but the politicians are more deceptive. >> do you really believe you're going to get to 1237, or do you in your heart believe this is going to be an open convention? >> i think i'll get to 1237. i think we're going to do very well in new york, i think we should do really well in california. i think we'll get to the 1237. look, this has been an amazing process. again, i said at the beginning but i'll say it again. i'm spending my own money. and i understand politicians.
i understand what motivates them. the thing that motivates them are special interests and their lobbyists. and they won't do the right thing. the people that are really getting them are the people that give them money. by my not taking money from all of the special interests i'm going to be able to do the right thing for the people. they do so many bad deals and they think, why are they so stupid? they're not stupid. they're doing it because they're told to by the people who give them money. whether it's ted cruz or others, i mean, i will tell you they're not going to do the right thing for the country. and it just is the way politics works. nobody knows the system better than i do. >> and you know how politics works. at the convention, if you don't make it in the first round of voting, a lot of those delegates who have to vote for you in the first round, they're free to go elsewhere. are you ready for that? >> sure i'm ready for it. my life would be a lot easier. i just want to do something. as my children have said, the country has been great to me, and i want to give back. you know, if people want me to
do that, i think i'll do a fantastic job for them and we'll bring the country back. and we'll save social security and we'll save medicare. i mean, our country is in such trouble. people don't realize what trouble we're in. we're sitting on a bubble. our country is in tremendous trouble. i think i'd do a tremendous job. >> i want to thank donald trump and his entire family. thank you all, thank you very much. special thanks to the voters who asked such great questions tonight. tomorrow night ted cruz and his family. until then, thanks for watching. now you can, with the luxuriously transformed 2016 lexus es and es hybrid. ♪ (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it.
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here on "360." last night donald trump and his family. right now his leading rival ted cruz and his wife heidi talking to new york voters only six days before the primary. #. >> announcer: tonight, he says he's winning and donald trump is whining. >> yelling and screaming. i'm sure some cursing. a lot of whining. >> announcer: no love lost between the candidate who slammed new york values and his new york opponent. >> donald has no solution to the problems we're facing. >> announcer: and it's gotten personal. >> i don't get angry often. but you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that will do it every time. >> announcer: he's defending his wiountfendg on her help. >> i said many times heidi is my best friend, and she is. >> announcer: cruz family values in a race that could go right to the convention. this is an "anderson cooper 360" republican town hall, candidates and their families. voters seeking answers before making a choice that could make history.
>> and good evening, everyone. we're simulcasting live on cnn, cnn international, sirius xm satellite radio channel 116 and the westwood 1 radio network. welcome to all of you joining us. we're here with texas senator ted cruz. his wife heidi will be joining us shortly. in the audience, republicans all from new york. they came up with the questions th they'll ask tonight. we reviewed them to make sure they don't overlap. this is a chance for voters to hear at length from the candidates and from the people closest to them. before we bring out mrs. cruz, i want to start with the senator. thanks very much for being with us. so last night donald trump was sitting here in that exact same
speech, and he told me the rules are stacked against him. you've heard this before. he's been saying it a lot. the rules are stacked against him by the establishment, that there are shenanigans going on, that the whole process is rigged, that the rnc doesn't want him to get the nomination. do you think that's true? >> listen, i think anyone who knows anything about washington know that's the establishment is not rooting for me, that they have been battling me every day i've been in the senate. but the rules are simple. the way you get elected is that you win a majority of the delegates in elections. what donald is unhappy about is that in the last few weeks there have been elections in 11 states. we've beaten donald in all of those elections. he's unhappy about that because he's losing at the polls. i guess what he thinks is that you complain and attack the voters. i think the way you win is make the case to the voters and earn their votes. >> does he just not have the ground game? he said even if he had more people in colorado, even if he had a different -- >> oh, he's right. he would have lost.
for the last three weeks, he's lost over and over again. donald has a hard ceiling in most states of about 35% or 40%. so he did well early in the race when there were 16 other candidates because all the other votes were dispersed. now that the field has narrowed, we're seeing that republicans are uniting behind our campaign and we're beating him over and over. take utah. utah three weeks ago. we won with 69% of the vote. it was a landslide. take north dakota two weeks later. they had their convention. we won 18 of the declared delegates. trump won one. >> but in louisiana, he won the popular vote. you got more delegates out of it. he says the will of the people is being overruled. >> actually, in louisiana, he won the early vote. on the day of election, i beat him significantly. he narrowly eked out a total popular vote victory. we tied in terms of the delegates we got under the rules. and the rubio delegates have come to us.
that's the way the process works. >> if trump emerges with more votes in the popular vote but at the convention in a second round you get the delegates, you get the nomination, will the will of the people be subverted? because that's what trump is saying. >> and it's a ludicrous argument. there's only one way that you earn the republican nomination. that is, you earn the votes of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. going back to 1860, that has been consistently how the republican party, how we've picked our nominee. and if donald can't get a majority and the reason he's throwing such a fit is the odds are looking more and more like he can't get a majority, then we're going to go to cleveland. and in cleveland, i believe if it's a contested convention, i'll have a ton of delegates, he'll have a ton of delegates. and in that situation we're going to be in a much stronger position, i believe, to earn a majority of the delegates and to continue uniting the party. >> his new convention manager says your folks are using what he called gestapo tactics.
>> you know, i have to say, anderson, it is bizarre. donald and his team, it's almost like they are subjects in a clinical course in psychology. there are all sorts of different behaviors they display, but one of them is projection, that the conduct they do regularly they accuse everyone else of doing. so literally in the last few weeks donald's team, roger stone, his chief political adviser, was threatening to out the hotel rooms of delegates who dared to cross trump so they could be intimidated. they're acting like union boss thugs. in colorado -- i spoke yesterday to the chairman of the republican party in colorado. trump supporters put out his home address, his phone numbers. he got thousands of phone calls, he got death threats. trump supporters were telling the supporters go to his house and bring their guns. look, violence doesn't belong in
democracy, and the trump campaign encourages it over and over again. in indiana, police are reporting threats of violence against delegates from the trump campaign. >> roger stone officially has left the trump campaign. >> well, that's what he says, but he planned the campaign. >> you believe he's still working with the campaign? >> i think he's their outside henchman. they use him for their dirty work. and he's the one actively encouraging putting out -- we shouldn't be intimidating delegates. and this shouldn't be controversial. what's donald doesn't like is that he keeps losing elections, whether it was losing in utah, losing in north dakota. or let's take wisconsin. wisconsin just about every media pundit said that cruz could not win in wisconsin, that it was a perfect state for donald trump. an upper midwest state. not a very large evangelical population. heavily industrial, working class, union members, supposed to be perfect for trump. the day before the election, trump predicted a, quote, big victory in wisconsin. well, instead, we saw a
landslide. i won the state with 48%. we won men. we won women. >> you got the endorsement of governor walker. >> we were ten points up before governor walker endorsed. we were grateful to get his endorsement. we campaigned with scott walker. we campaigned. what we saw was the party unifying, coming together. that's what it's going to take to win the nomination and the general. >> just yesterday you compared donald trump to the lead character from "the godfather." one of my favorite movies. you said, he needs to understand he he's not michael corleone. he needs to stop threatening the voters and delegates. do you think he's threatening voters and delegates? you talk about roger stone, but you have no evidence donald trump was doing it. >> i was very glad this morning to wake up and not find a horse's head in my bed. that was comforting. i think it is grotesque to have a campaign that engages in threatening voters. donald trump himself from his own mouth at his rallies when there are protesters has told his supporters, punch that guy in the face.
you know, i've had protesters at my rallies. i don't ask people to punch them in the face. in fact, usually what i'll do is engage them in civil discourse. they are american citizens. i'm running to be their president. even if they are liberals that disagree with me, i'm still running to be their president. now, if they are disruptive, law enforcement will remove them. you don't have a right to silence another speaker. >> you believe donald trump is encouraging violence? >> he stood at the podium and told his supporters punch that guy in the face. he said, we'll defend you if you do it. that's not funny. it's not funny when roger stone, who organized and put together trump's political campaign, is telling delegates in cleveland, we're going to make public your hotel room so people can come and threaten and intimidate you if you dare vote against donald trump. that is -- you know what that is behaving like? that's behaving like democrats in 1968 in chicago, and we're not democrats. we're not interested in behaving like union thugs. and donald trump needs to learn that.
>> corey lewandowski, we just found out over an hour ago, corey lewandowski, donald trump's campaign manager, is not going to be charged for his run-in in florida with a reporter from brooitbart. do you think that is the right call? you said the incident was consistent with a pattern from the trump campaign. >> law enforcement there made a determination about whether to proceed. i'm not going to second-guess their judgment. that's the way the system works. law enforcement determines whether a crime should be prosecuted. what i'm focused on is earning the votes to win the nomination and win the general. and one of the problems with the circus that comes from my opponent in this race is it distracts from all the issues people care about. you know, as i travel the state of new york, what people care about is jobs. what people care about is bringing jobs back to america, seeing their wages rise. people are scared. just today i was in erie, pennsylvania. person after person talked about ge shutting down jobs there, about manufacturing jobs leaving america, about young people who
are scared and want a better opportunity. that's what my focus is. bringing high paying jobs back to america, not engaging in this circus back and forth. >> let me ask you. you've slammed trump for playing fast and loose in the delegate fight. you sent out an e-mail monday telling your supporters that they could become, quote, card carrying deputy delegates if they paid $35, but they had to act within 48 hours. what is a card carrying deputy delegate? >> listen, i want to say -- >> that makes it sound like they have some power and can come to the convention. >> that's was a fund-raising e-mail we put out. i was very glad to see the trump attack machine push out our fund-raising e-mail. >> but isn't that misleading? >> anderson, thank you to you and thank you to cnn. i'll point out all of you can go to tedcruz.org and contribute $35. >> why do you have to call it a card carrying deputy delegate? sounds likes you have a deputy sheriff who doesn't actually have any power.
>> my kids have gotten deputy sheriff badges. those things are fun. when you buy cracker jacks you get a toy. look, we have gotten over 1.3 million contributions. >> that's a lot of deputy delegates. >> and you know what i would be thrilled to have 5 million or 10 million deputy delegates. >> but you are just saying that's just a fund-raising thing. they have no power. you don't want people to believe they have some sort of -- >> it was obviously a fund-raising e-mail asking people to contribute. and what we've seen, when you have over 1.3 million contributions, our average has been about $60, people that go to tedcruz.org. they contribute, that is what has enabled us to remain in the race and to prevail over candidates who were supported by all the lobbyists, big corporations, all the big money. our support is the grassroots. and that's what's also enabling us to win race after race after race. >> marco rubio just yesterday said he hopes, quote, they'll nominate a conservative and the only one that fits that criteria is you. is there a chance we could see a
cruz/rubio unity ticket? realistically, the two of you could cut a deal in which basically he gives you your delegates. >> i think very, very highly of marco. i appreciated those very kind comments he made. he is an amazing communicator. he's one of the best communicators in the mcparepubl party, and he ran a campaign that inspired millions across this country. it inspired me. when he ran for senate in 2010, his underdog race in florida inspired me. it was one of the inspirations that led me to run two years later in texas. so i think the world of marco. >> is that really true? because you guys had tough words during the campaign. is that just part of how it works? >> it's a campaign. he was trying to beat me. i was trying to beat him. that's what happens in a campaign. i can tell you i consider marco a friend. >> could you see a cruz/rubio ticket? >> look, anyone would naturally look at marco as one of the people who would be a terrific person to consider for vp, and we're in the process now of considering a number of different options.
>> you aren't ruling it out? >> he would be someone you'd be a fool not to look at seriously. he's very, very talented. you know, you asked if marco and i are friends. let me tell you a story. last year i wrote a book called "a time for truth." in the book, one of the chapters is talking about the year i spent as a law clerk at the supreme court. and it describes -- the chapter begins with me watching pornography on the internet with sandra day o'connor, which was a bit of a bizarre experience. it was the first of the internet porn cases to go to the court, and the court librarians were showing the justices what the internet was and they'd pull it up. and the story i told, i was clerking for chief justice rehnquist. they paired the chief justice and justice o'connor and their law clerks were in this little room looking at this computer screen that pulls up hard-core porn. and justice o'connor i still
remember, she leaned forward and she squinted and said, oh, my! but the marco piece of this, the book comes out and there were some reporters thought that was a funny story. they wrote about that story. and i'm on a plane and marco texts me and says, holy cow, you watched porn? our researchers missed that. now, that was funny. listen, he's got a good sense of humor. i laughed when he sent that text. >> let me ask you about polls. you told our dana bash last week and every poll shows you beating hillary clinton. that's not exactly accurate. of the nine polls in the last month released, you've beat her in only one and in the polls taken since february 4th, you win two, tied in two and lost in seven. why do you think you are the best general election candidate? >> because we will beat hillary clinton. if you go back starting from december, there's been poll after poll after poll that has shown me beating hillary clinton. most of the polls show me either bietding her or tied with her.
>> not in the last two months certainly. >> that's not true. three weeks ago fox news showed me leading hillary clinton by three points. >> that was the only one. >> but there are a whole bunch of them that were just a few weeks earlier. but beyond that, you go state by state. key swing states, ohio just a few weeks ago, i'm leading hillary clinton by two points, 47 to 45. let's take wisconsin. wisconsin in presidential races is a blue state. it hasn't gone republican since 1984. reagan's reelection was the last time it went republican. marquette university a few weeks ago did a statewide poll. trump loses to hillary in wisconsin by double digits. hillary and i are tied in wisconsin at 44-44. let's take pennsylvania. trump is behind hillary in the general election in pennsylvania. hillary and i are tied in pennsylvania, another historically blue state in presidential races. but i believe in the general election we're going to compete
and beat hillary clinton in pennsylvania. we're seeing that across the country. iowa, another swing state. i'm leading hillary clinton in the state of iowa. donald trump is behind. and one final point, young people. obama won young people 70/30 in both elections. right now i'm 14 points ahead of hillary clinton among young people. if the democrats are losing young people by double digits, hillary clinton is not winning the general election. >> we've got to take a quick break. when we come back, questions from the audience for senator cruz and his wife heidi. that and more when our "360" republican town hall continues.
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welcome back to our final republican presidential family town hall. we're here with senator ted cruz. joining us now is his wife heidi. also, their daughters caroline and catherine are in the audience in beautiful yellow. welcome to both of you. wonderful to have you all here. let me ask you, mrs. cruz, when was the first time you thought that ted cruz might actually run for president? was this a conversation you had long ago, or is this just something new? >> well, i guess the first time that we talked about it was the summer before last. so it depends on what you think by long ago. and ted had been an incredibly effective senator for texans but for a short time. and i think at the beginning as a professional myself when i thought about doing this for ted, i had to think about that. we support each other unconditionally. but we'd just been through a senate race, and he was doing a great job as a u.s. senator. when i thought about our country
and the crisis we're in and the talent ted has, it really struck me i needed to be part of this for our country, not for ted, not for our family, but for all those other families out there that need a strong leader that can return us to a period of prosperity. >> it's a huge sacrifice. you have two young daughters. they are very, very young. what was the calculus going in, just as a family, as a wife? >> well, hur sure. i think you do have to consider a lot of things. but anytime you are doing something that's so much greater than yourself, it's incredibly humbling. so we worked hard as a family to think about what this would mean. and we've been really blessed to have our girls with us on the road. it's an incredible learning experience, anderson, to have the opportunity to travel this country, to meet so many other families across this country in different state that's share the same values is really an incredible blessing. >> let's meet some of the voters here in new york. this is lindsey blazek, a teacher in bellport, new york. she's undecide. she wants to ask a question to you, mrs. cruz. welcome. [ inaudible question ]
>> we had an audio problem. for the viewers at home, she says one day she may run for office but she's curious, especially as a mom, what is it like to have your family in the spotlight? >> lindsay, thank you for that question. i hope you do run for office. the more principled people we can have in public office, our country will be a better police. and i'm always inspired by women who run for office and take on the candidacy. i would say, to answer your question, i don't know that i'm suited to give you advice. you'll do just great yourself. but if i could offer one thing it would be to just be yourself. i think people and voters want to see genuinely who the candidate and their family is. so being genuine with who you are and telling the truth about what you are running on and what you're going to do for them has been what we try to do and what i think people have appreciated. >> how do you balance having your kids on the campaign trail
but also protecting them from too much attention and the rough-and-tumble of a campaign? >> well, we have given them a lot of choices, and they wanted to come on the road with us. they wanted to be part of this. i think they understand that it is something bigger than our family, as i mentioned. and they are really excited to be part of something that their dad is doing, that their parents are doing. and they know it's for others. we talked about that from the very beginning, why would dad run for president? it was to make this country a better place for other kids as well. so they were really excited to see what that meant. we have -- any day we go on the campaign trail, whether it be on the bus or driving around in a car, we let them choose what eechbltss they want to do. and we have must-dos and a lot that aren't must-dos. they ask us, what are the must dos today? >> this is another voter, joe caldererra who supports donald trump but has a question for senator cruz.
he's a law student. >> good evening, senator and mrs. cruz. welcome to the big apple. there are many values in this town that are uniquely new york. and i know i speak for all of us here tonight when i say that we're very proud of those values. that being said, recently you've expressed a distaste for new york values or at least liberal new york values. now, as you know, many republicans in new york may not be as socially conservative as republicans in other parts of the united states. if you are our nominee, do you have room for new york republicans and new york values in your party? >> well, joe, thank you for that question. let me congratulate you on being in law school and good luck to you. >> thank you very much. >> the phrase "new york values" has been a phrase that folks in the press have been talking about a lot lately. it's actually a phrase that originated with donald trump. and the reason i made that point is that donald did an interview with "meet the press" back in 1999 where he was explaining why in that interview that he supported partial birth abortion.
and his explanation in that interview, he said, i'm from new york. those are new york values. they're not iowa values. and that was literally out of his own mouth his explanation for why we supported partial birth abortion. so i was doing a radio interview right before iowa where i was asked about it, and i said, donald says he has new york values, not iowa values, and that's his description. folks in the press reacted like i lit their hair on fire screaming what a terrible thing and donald immediately said, you're attacking the police and firefighters of 9/11, which was utterly absurd. listen, the police and firefighters and first responders who rushed into that building are heroes that every american cheered for and celebrated. and i'll tell you, you know, since then, people often in politics want you to run away from something so you get something from reporters who yell questions over and over again. i said, listen, when i talk about new york values what i'm talking about are the liberal democrats who have been frankly
hurting the people of new york over and over again. i'm talking about people like bill de blasio. one of the first acts he did when he was elected mayor was to go to harlem to try to shut down charter schools that were educating low-income african-americans and hispanics because he was essentially in hock to the teachers unions. i did a meeting last week in the bronx. it was with a series of hispanic and african-american pastors. and the individual that hosted this meeting was senator rubin diaz. he's african-american. he's hispanic. he's a democratic-elected state senator. and he explained to me in spanish, he brought up the new york values. he said, i know exactly what you mean by new york values because he said i'm a democrat, senator diaz, and my democratic governor andrew cuomo says if you are pro life and believe in traditional marriage, believe in the second amendment, you have no place in the state of new york. and senator diaz was offended by that.
and i'll tell you i think the clearest illustration of new york values has been mayor de blasio's repeated pattern of standing with the criminals and the rioters and looters instead of the police officers. and that moment when the brave men and women in blue of the nypd stood up and turned their backs on mayor de blasio, cops across this country and americans across this country cheered. and so i look forward to representing the people of new york, to working to earn the votes of the people of new york and to fighting for the hard-working, gritty -- new york is an immigrant city, a gritty city. heidi and i have lived in new york. it's a city that attracts the best and brightest and people that want to conquer the world. that can-do spirit we need more of in america. but the liberal policies of democrats that are hurting new yorkers we need a lot less of. >> so let me ask you this. you've lived in washington.
you've worked in washington. you've lived here in new york. you went to princeton university undergraduate and harvard law school. are you more a product of the northeast or of texas? >> look, i am very much a product of texas. i am a cuban irish italian texan, which is an odd mix to be sure. and you know, i remember when i went off to harvard law school, my dad jokingly referred to it as missionary work. listen, i've been blessed to have had some amazing educational opportunities. when i was admitted to princeton, i was coming out of a small private school in houston, second baptist high school. i had 43 people in my graduating class. nobody from the school had ever gone to an ivy league school. nobody in my family had ever gone to an ivy league school. wasn't a world we knew about. the world we knew about -- i
talk about how my dad came from cuba. he'd been in prison and tortured. he made his way washing dishes. my mom, who is irish italian, was born in wilmington, delaware. she was the first in her family ever to go to college. she went to rice university, majored in math. so to be admitted to princeton was an extraordinary thing. it was a world, frankly, i didn't know when i arrived there. it was a scary place. you had a lot of young people who were the children of ceos and titan s on wall street and people with fame and wealth and power. my parents went bankrupt when i was in high school. so when i showed up at princeton, my parents were coming out of bankruptcy. i had to work two jobs to help pay my way through. so it was a world i didn't know, but i felt incredibly blessed to have the opportunity to get an amazing education. and i remember when i got the clerkship to work for chief justice rehnquist a couple of years after i graduated from law school, it was the only time i
ever saw my father cry. and it reduced him to tears that his son would go and work for the chief justice. and the other time my father cried -- i didn't see it, but i know it happened -- was when i was sworn into the senate and he was up in the chamber. i think all he could think about as he was looking down was remembering back to being in austin in 1957 washing dishes. and that teenage kid who couldn't speak english never could have imagined his son would be sworn into office as a senator and now to be running for president. i mean, it has been an amazing journey and it's a journey that can only happen in america. i mean, that's the opportunity of this great nation. >> let's meet more voters. this is shawn heinz. he is from laike ra kaunken, ne
york. he supports you, senator cruz. >> a wise man. >> shawn, go ahead. >> thank you, senator cruz and heidi. my question is a little -- i'm curious, where did you two first go on a date together? and what were your impressions of each other? >> great question. >> well, we met on january 2nd of 2000. we were both working on the george w. bush campaign. we were down in austin. our first date was just three days later, on january 5th. and we were in cubicles about 30 feet from each other. about 9:30 at night i sauntered over to her cubicle trying to pretend i was cool and said, you know, hey, have you had dinner yet? it was a campaign so at 9:30 at night, neither of us had had dinner. we went to a restaurant called the bitter end. just a couple of blocks from the campaign. we had a dinner that lasted three or four hours. we shut the restaurant down. and it was a wonderful dinner. it was a dinner that we talked the whole time, and it was -- i
got to say with us it was love at first sight. i mean, it really was. i remember at that dinner i asked her, i said, tell me the history of your family starting with the birth of your grandparents. and it was just -- both of us had been coming out of -- we had both had pretty serious long-term relationships. she'd had a serious boyfriend. i'd had a serious girlfriend. we'd both broken up just a couple of months earlier. we were both in our late 20s, at a point we were looking for someone, and it was -- i mean, she was my soul mate. and, you know, she was at the time in her second year of harvard business school and had a month off in january that they didn't have classes. so that january we dated and at the end of january i drove heidi to the airport. i'm dropping her off at the airport and i said what do we do? and she says, i want you to call me every night. and i said, well, i'm getting home at like 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning. she'd been on the campaign. she knew that was true. she said, i don't care.
call me then. so i would call her at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning east coast time. we'd spend an hour on the phone. a bunch of nights one of us would fall asleep on the phone. the noise of the phone would wake us up. i'll let heidi tell her story which may be totally different. >> well, i let ted answer that question because he loves to answer that question. so i always let him tell his version. >> she kind of knows my stories. >> but it's very accurate. it really was love at first sight. one thing i want to add to that that i think is worth noting is that ted is an incredible listener. ted cruz is an incredible listener. i want all voters to hear that. and one reason is he really cares. he really cares about what you are saying. he really cares about what's on your heart and cares about the context. not just a fact or a figure but
really the context around it. i remember one thing i told you that night. you asked me -- maybe even a few days later -- what were some of the things that i particularly liked, a necklace or some flowers. and to the actual venue, not more than a couple of weeks later, appeared in the snow of boston some beautiful red roses on my doorstep from the exact florist that was very difficult to find. ted is a great listener. and my daughters have said many times that at home, off the stage, mom does all the talking and dad listens. so ted has many, many qualities, and thoughtfulness is right at the top of the list. >> mrs. cruz, let me ask you. i heard in an interview recently where you talked about your wedding night and cans of soup. for those who didn't see that, can you explain this? >> i will explain. this was an experience at the beginning of our life together. i did recount it to megyn the other day. i grew up in california in a home where my parents spent a lot of time outdoors. so we had our own garden.
we grew our own vegetables. my mom did a lot of things that were homemade. when i married ted, we got back from our honeymoon. he went off to the store and came back himself. and i was shocked to see that he arrived back with literally a hundred cans of campbell's chunky soup. i never bought a hundred of anything. >> all the same? >> well, different -- >> different kinds. some chicken, some beef. >> this was shocking to me. so we had a tough conversation about it. i said you don't buy a hundred of anything, much less canned soup. we can't do this. i'll be making things. he said, no, i know you. you won't be making things. soed the next morning, it was a weekend morning, and i loaded up our car before he woke up and returned every single can. and when i got home, i called my mother to make sure i'd done the right thing as a newlywed. she emphatically disagreed with me. so whenned to -- when ted opened
the pachbtry, i had to tell him that i'd go back and buy those cans. she said are you going to cook every night? we were both working at the time. i'm really not a good cook. i've tried. i've burnt most things. >> we're both terrible cooks. that is not a skill either one of us has. >> she said wisely, it is not your strength. i cleaned my mother's house growing up. i can clean a house like nobody's business but i'm not a great cook. since you probably won't cook a lot for him, you should let the man eat his dinner. >> all right. this is jeffrey lax, a college professor at kingsborough community college. he says he's leaning towards voting for you, senator cruz. jeffrey? >> more than leaning. >> thank you, jeff. >> as a father of two little boys who are around the same age as your two little girls, i really respect and admire the way you've engaged your family throughout this campaign. and i also know as a parent that we do a lot of really annoying things to the kids. what would your family say is the most annoying thing about you? >> now, jeffrey, that's a very good question. let me ask you. what do you teach?
>> i teach law. >> it would certainly vary in any family. it would depend on who you are talking about. i would suspect though you could ask her directly, if heidi were listing something specifically she'd say my iphone. she hates my iphone. and i will admit i'm addicted to my iphone and play iphone games a lot. i'm either on twitter, e-mail or on iphone games. and heidi can't stand it. she's many times wanted to throw it out the window. now, the flip side is the girls love the iphone and we in fact fight and play. we play plants versus zombies together and candy crush and all sorts of games on the iphone and it drives mommy crazy. the girls, we have something of a game where to get a hug and kiss from the girls i usually have to do about four laps chasing them in the living room. one will go one way. one will go the other way. and i have to tackle them. they usually get their good night hugs hanging upside down by their feet.
we have fun. i don't know what the girls would say is the most annoying, but i suspect that's what heidi would. >> good answer. that's a good answer. i guess anderson you could ask them, but it could be risky. >> let me ask you, on twitter, do you follow donald trump on twitter? >> i do. >> you do? >> although the truth of the matter is you could sit alone in a woods in the middle of nowhere and somehow still hear donald's tweets. >> we're going to have another voter. is david fetahov here? oh, no. actually, i'm sorry. let's go to diane. >> megan. >> you're megan. i'm sorry. megan, i'm sorry. i've lost your card. tell us about yourself and your question. >> sure. >> hi, i'm megan loney. i'm undecided currently, although i'm very much enjoying this evening, so who knows? >> well, good. >> i'm a junior talent agent and
i live in spanish harlem. >> fabulous. >> what's your question? >> my question is, i think you are just fantastic, heidi. i really think it's great to have a strong, independent woman out in front of young girls. and my question is, if you are first lady, who will be your platform? >> thank you so much for that generous question. i have to preface my answer, and i will answer your question, by stating the obvious, which is we are in the middle of a primary that is tough. there have been a lot of wonderful candidates that we've been working around and so we are traveling the states. so our campaign is spending 100% of our effort on winning this primary and on ted winning the nomination. so not a lot of time or resources has gone into what would be a first lady's platform. that being said, i do think that two voters, the family is important in what we represent. and one of the reasons that i've been excited, even, to campaign with ted, alongside him, is because of the opportunity to serve others.
and there's so many things, so many means that we have in this country. in fact, my daughter has asked, when we launched the campaign, we thought it might be a surprise to them that their father was running for president. we explained that their biggest concern was mommy to the going to the office and what would that mean. so they asked, what is a first lady? and i said, well, it's the wife of the president. and caroline had never heard an answer like that from me. and so she said, oh, mom, come on, let me ask again, what is a first lady? what are you going to do? she had the exact same question. and so i described to her some of the things that we could do together. and i think one of the great joys would be doing something for kids and my two daughters are so near and dear to my heart, and i would love to do something that focused on young girls, their self-esteem and leadership in the world for women. my parents had my mother and i start a business when we were 6 and 8. we ran that business for about ten years baking bread. i learned so much through that process. so something around the concept of entrepreneurship. and a cause that ted and i have
always shared that's been near and dear to our hearts that i think is maybe truly one of the most important in this country at this time for kids is school choice. and i would work very hard to ensure that every child in this country had a fair and equal opportunity at a quality education. >> this is david fetahov, a sophomore, says he's leaning towards supporting you. welcome. >> thank you, mr. and mrs. cruz for coming out. and i just recently -- or let me put it to you this way, i originally wanted to vote for marco rubio, and unfortunately we saw how it turned out. one of the reasons why, though, is because he didn't really engage in any personal attacks. and even when he did, for that brief amount of time, he instantly regretted it, said it was bad for his family. and i'm also aware that recently there is a battle of the wives debate happening and i understand that you might not exactly want to engage in this.
my question to you is, do you believe that having personal -- that attacking somebody's family personally is okay to gain a little more leverage in the political world? and if not, would you be willing to make a truce with mr. trump right now? >> so, david, thank you for that question. and i very much agree with your sentiments, of course not. it is not acceptable to attack anyone's spouse or anyone's kids or anyone's family. those should be off-limits. and the personal attacks we've seen in this campaign have been really unfortunate, and i don't think they belong in politics. the approach i've tried to take throughout this campaign and indeed throughout my time in the senate has been that when others attack, that i don't respond in kind, that i don't attack their character or impugn them directly. now, policy differences are fair game. we can talk about differences on tax policy or immigration policy. that's what politics should be. and so, you know, when you talk
about the disputes among the wives, listen, melania trump is a beautiful woman, she appears to have been a wonderful mother to their kids. i have never and would never say anything remotely negative about donald's family or kids. so on my end, there's no truce to be had, because we shouldn't be engaging those attacks. we should be talking about substance. and frankly what we ought to be doing is having debates. remember, there was a time when we had republican debates? >> a great time. >> this should be a gathering with anderson moderating and donald here, but donald is not willing to debate. he doesn't want to talk about the substance. he doesn't want to talk about the issues. instead he wants the to tweet attacks. so i agree with you, it shouldn't go into the gut or i can't control what others do, but what i can control is that i'm not going to respond in kind. and my focus, what we are spending every day trying to do is unify republicans. i mean, the stakes are so great, we need to bring our party
together. we need to be united, number one, to win the nomination, you've got to unify republicans. but number two, to beat hillary clinton in november. the stakes facing this country are enormous and if we don't unite republicans and we bring together independents and libertarians, and even democrats, that's the only way to win. and so my focus is on a positive, optimistic, forward-looking conservative agenda for this country, that's focused on jobs and freedom and security, because i think that's what the american people want. >> miss cruz, do you ever think you would have been brought into this by another candidate? to be in the middle of this has got to be surreal, to say the least. >> well, anderson, as i mentioned to megan the other day, i don't tweet. and that has huge advantages. i save a lot of time, not tweeting. and so i have just been blessed to not really be impacted by it. i think we should be talking about the issues only, and ted has such a optimistic
forward-looking message for this country that does unify this party. focusing on jobs, that's what people care about more than anything else. that's what defines being an american, that's what makes people proud. not silliness that people don't care about. it's freedom. it's freedom that people identify with. and lastly, the issue of security is so critical in this country right now. my brother lives just a mile and a half from where the san bernardino attacks happened. these security threats have come to our doorstep. i as a working mom in houston, texas, feel less safe than i did eight years ago. we must focus 100% of our energies on that. that's the only way we're going to win, but also the only way we're going to have effective leadership. we're spending 100% of our time on that. and i have the simplest job description i've ever had in my entire career. and that is telling the american people about ted cruz and why we should be electing him right now. and it's a fun thing to do every day. because all i have to do is tell the truth. >> i want you to meet diane atkins. she's from brooklyn and says she's voting for you, senator
cruz. diane? >> hi, i think the two of you would make america proud as the president and first lady. so impressive i saw yesterday on another network. you were fantastic and god bless you both. my question is kind of fun. to senator cruz, when was there an instance when you knew you should have taken your wife's advice on something, but you didn't, and you lived to regret it later? >> that's an awfully good question. >> no pressure. >> i'm going to learn something tonight. >> you know, to be honest, there are very few times i haven't taken her advice. one of the things, you know, one of the things about our relationship that is fun, and actually, because we started out long distance, it was actually a great way to build a relationship. where you spend the time on the phone talking constantly. and so we became best friends in the process of falling in love. and so heidi and i, now even when we're on the road, she's in one city and i'm in another
city, often. and we'll call two, three, four, five, times a day and talk about what's going on, what we're doing, and we usually reach decisions collaborativcollabora. i'm failing to come up with an instance when i haven't followed her advice. >> mrs. cruz, do you have one? >> well, i can add something. >> she may have a longer list. >> i can add something in -- >> i would be so impressed if you took a list out of your pocket right now. >> now, ted does always do what he says he's going to do, but he doesn't always do what he's told. sometimes you don't take out the trash right when i ask you to. that's some advice. but one thing that's interesting about ted that i love about ted is that he is very thoughtful in a personal way, but he's also very, very thoughtful professionally. and ted does not often make the mistake of saying things or doing things that he doesn't own. and so while he's an incredible listener and he has an amazing team around him, this is an individual that i think is prepared for leadership, because he takes responsibility for his actions. and so i usually sleep pretty
well at night knowing that he's thought it through. >> thank you for your question. we've got to take one short break. we'll be back with the cruzes, maybe a few surprise guests here on stage, right after this. everything these days. awards for rolling balls. awards for spelling words nobody uses. we get it. you're smart. they give awards for haircuts for dogs. awards for scientific theories. i've got a theory. nobody cares. but people care about cheese. cracker barrel has won awards for their delicious cheddar and they put that cheddar in a new macaroni & cheese. now, that's an award worth winning. and eating. and eating. and eating.
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