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delegates and john kasich lagging way far behind with 156 delegates. >> mark preston, thanks so much. we should point out that john kasich is still fourth in a three man race with his delegate counts. he still trails marco rubio who dropped out of the race several weeks ago. there you have it, cnn is awarding or projecting the awarding of 42 out of the 57 delegates that will be won in indiana this evening, 42 of them as of right now going to donald trump. this is a sweep. it's huge. >> there's no other way to put it. it's been said already for the past hour a lot of different ways, but we have to underscore this is something that donald trump can be incredibly proud of and more importantly the voters who are in great washington can be proud of. >> let's go to anderson. >> one of the things we heard from ted cruz when talking to dana bash yesterday is ted cruz was discounting donald trump's
victories on the east coast and new york and elsewhere, he cannot discount donald trump's victory in the state of indiana. a massive win. as we anticipate hearing from ted cruz very shortly as well as as donald trump and we're going to bring those comments to our viewers, what do you think ted cruz comes out and says tonight. >> his tone is important. i think he comes out and says he continues to fight and that -- >> and attack the media for anointing donald trump. >> and attacks the media, it's not over until you get to 1,237 and you're not at 1,237 and he still has an opportunity in california. we know the whole game plan. i think his tone is going to be important because the cruz we heard from earlier today reacting to donald trump taking on his father was angry and trump got under his skin as one can understand and he called trump every name in the book. and tonight i think he has to
kind of move beyond that and he has to say tonally he has to act like a president if he wants to be seen as a president. by the way, i believe that donald trump needs to do the same and i was talking to somebody in the trump orbit today and i asked what is trump going to do and he said to me, well, there will probably be a little bit of lying ted there, but we're all about the general election now, we're going to be talking about hillary clinton. so while cruz is still talking about donald trump, trump is going to be talking what comes next. >> we'll see. >> we'll see. >> what i want to know is does carly fiorina know how to sing the party is over. the handwriting is on the wall and as has been said before momentum breeds momentum. there's nothing that suggests that somehow this train that seems to be in full engagement
now is going to suddenly slow down. >> from a political standpoint if you're a candidate who's objective is to try to prevent donald trump from getting to 1,237 and hope in the second round of voting you have a lot of defections, do you come out and say that or do you say -- >> he acknowledges that he can't get there. his whole game and i don't think there's any subtlety about it is to throw himself on those tracks and try and stop the train before it gets to 1,237 in hopes that it won't squeak over the line and how it will get to the second ballot the suspect sish being that once it does that's the end of donald trump. that seems very unlikely. ted cruz made so much of indiana and that this was the place. he told everybody all over the state, this is where we have to make our stand. he tried to make his stand and he got run over. >> ted cruz kept saying finally i'm in a head to head matchup
because of this deal i made with kasich who is bowing out of indiana. he got creamed. >> he got creamed in indiana. a state he should have done well in these last moments calling out trump he was trying to rally conservatives to his call really maligning donald trump's character there but that didn't work and we saw this preview of that in those scc primaries when he wasn't able to rally evangelicals. i think cruz should be looked at not in the framework of this campaign, but his future. he's a young man. i think he's 45 now. his argument remains that he is the true conservative that the only path for republicans in a presidential campaign is to nominate a conservative. >> it's a rejection of ted cruz and i'd love to see which way -- i know that john kasich didn't have an enormous vote in the state to begin with, but i'd be curious which way did those
voters take. i think they went to trump. >> do you see donald trump again impossible to predict what donald trump's going to no matter what his advisers say what he's going to do, but do you see him pivoting to a general do you see him talking about hillary clinton only? >> i think he will attack whatever he thinks to attack at that moment, but i think for ted cruz this is bad for a couple of reasons. first of all, it's hard to feel sorry for him tonight. he started this fire. he decided to torch the u.s. senate so he could become president. he decided to throw reason out the door in the garbage can because he thought it was a way to become president. he sat a fire and now he's trapped in the house he sat on fire because donald trump has done exactly what ted cruz pie neared and he's done it better. so for now for ted cruz to say what happened to reason and -- he's calling his own colleagues a liar.
>> ted cruz early on was embracing donald trump. >> and attacking the media. >> well, just i mean just on one point you can say what you want about ted cruz's relationships on the hill, those are self-evident, but he also you could argue that he did what he was elected to do and he did the things he made promises to voters that he said he was going to do. ted cruz not to put him on the couch here, but i think what is also going through ted cruz's mind is that look, of 17 republican candidates, i'm still left standing. that's remarkable. >> we have to take a quick break. we are anticipating comments from ted cruz and donald trump. we'll bring those to you live. we'll be right back. i am rich.
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brs h bernie sanders has 52.1% over hillary clinton 47.9%. still 60% of the vote remains outstanding. on the republican side donald trump a huge winner in indiana tonight. more than half of the vote counted. he's at 52.6%, ted cruz 36.8% and john kasich 7.9%. big, big win for donald trump in indiana. as we await these candidates' remarks let's bring it over to you. >> jeffry what do you expect to hear from donald trump tonight. >> i think he's going to come out and declare a victory. when we think back to this primary season and we think of marco rubio winning third place and coming out and declaring
victory, now the guy who has won is going to come out and declare victory. i think most people agree with the exception of ted cruz they're realizing this is over. >> a lot of us have been wondering if donald trump would start talking more presidentially. i don't know that he has any reason to. today he was talking about a national enquirer story that was false and went on to win. i think what is remarkable about donald trump and this season is the gop had been searching for the kind of candidate who could generate this kind of enthusiasm for decades. not since reagan have they had a candidate that they didn't need to force on the voters. here's why you should love john mccain or get behind mitt romney. donald trump has needed no prodding from the establishment, from the party to take fire. in fact he's done it in spite of tremendous resistance from a lot of the establishment and the party. that's remarkable.
i can lament that the right guy at the right time isn't particularly conservative, but you cannot deny that the party has finally gotten that enthusiasm they had been hoping for. >> he's gotten there with positions that play well with the republican base that don't bode well with the general election. it's a party favorite for the gop, but it's a looser for the general election. >> when governor reagan had secured his party's nomination, first thing he did was reach out to gerald ford. then he picked george bush the other guy who fought him. reagan was all about addition. does anybody believe that donald trump has that kind of capacity because i don't because today he stood up, today he smeared ted cruz's father with some nutsy
stuff. he is the bear from the revanant. >> he wants to win. >> no, he wants to eat lhim. >> i see it differently than my democratic friends. get the sandbags ready, democrats. get the sandbags ready. a wave is coming. it was built in our party and it was stopped. that wave does not go away. >> do you think the democrats know how to run against trump. >> i don't think anybody knows how to run against him. >> i love this man. >> you cannot quote george w. bu bush, you cannot under estimate this man. you don't want to be marco rubio
trying to match an insult for insult, but this is as michael points out a target rich -- i feel like a mosquito in a nudist camp. >> there are plenty of republicans who tried to keep it on issues and that didn't work. >> the one thing we haven't talked about is the protectionist message. when i was a young guy, i was out there in seattle protesting against the world trade organization, talking about nafta, once this thing passes your economy is going to flour iss ish and it didn't work out and the winners from globalization are ungrateful and the losers are mad as hell. >> we talked about this earlier. can donald trump and does he start to do it tonight, can he reach out to some of the sanders supporters and get them. >> he is doing it.
there's a huge fight. you are right when you look at the polling data you will see the democrats are not as mad. we're algt ba little bit more together. there's a hairline fracture and it's this pain over trade and you have somebody that's going to run a tough campaign. you're going to see possibly some of this racial stuff, you don't know, but you're going to see a big push on the trade stuff. >> there is i think what's going on brooklyn now and perhaps -- but the big question to me is donald trump says it's easy to be presidential, but it's not easy to be president and people know that and i sat next to that office for a couple of years. it is a very, very tough job. you can -- you take the wrong
step and you send arms marching and markets tumbling. i think the case that donald trump has to make is that he can be trusted with that responsibility and i think that there's still a majority of americans who are going to be very concerned about that. >> and you know, you used the word trust. the akillees heel has been the trust and i think donald trump is going to take that research and dump it on her head and everybody in brooklyn where hillary's headquarters are they're preparing for that. >> why would donald trump run a traditional presidential campaign? he's gotten this far. >> i think that there's a certain level of credibility that you have to pass for american to say okay we'll give you the keys. we're ready to let you be the guy who has his finger on the button. >> he already is the guy who is
the guy who tells it like it is. democrats may not think that, but republicans do. he's motivated republicans. my big question here for hillary clinton versus donald trump is the role of president obama in all of this and van is talking about trade -- >> as a trump supporter would it be a mistake for donald trump to suddenly get on a teleprompter. >> when you do these policy speeches that's fine like he did the other day, but too much of that he will lose exactly why he's there. you may notice i compare him to ronald reagan, but there's a great article in politico that talks about jimmy carter in 1976 and the same kind of atmospherics here where the people in the democratic party had it and they went for a guy who was a peanut farmer, a one term governor of georgia. >> governor, yes. he was an outsider and the
insiders of the democratic establishment had no idea how to deal with him and they wanted to stop him and they couldn't do it. >> right now president obama has not come off the fence. you haven't seen president obama, you haven't seen michelle obama. one ant doet to a lot of this is you send the obama's into the rust belt. they are going to be an extra factor here. trump has to run against both clintons, both obamas and both sanders to win but he still might pull it off. >> one at a time. >> i would argue, this is counter intutive, i would argue he's not been fully vetted. i think there's so much because the republicans were caught flat footed that has yet to be written about and explored. >> i see paul smiling. >> the man has not released his
tax returns. he's now locking up the republican nomination without having done so. >> republicans were too afraid to bring up a lot of these issues because they were courting those same voters. >> the former governor used to say a hit dog barks. when trump was hit was trump university and he barked. the republicans never picked up that thread. >> what do you mean by barked. >> he responded in a way that told me oh my this hurts. the state of new york. >> we need to translate. >> i thought he was dismissive. >> a hit dog responds. >> if you hit the dog it barks. >> i get that. because it's hurt. >> let's stop talking about hitting dogs. >> trump university fraud case is moving forward. the state of new york has filed
a civil suit against donald trump for fraud on trump university. the hearing on that case the first day of the republican convention. >> here's why this isn't going to work and it's not going to work because all he has -- which he's already done and which i've written about is to pick the attorney general accurately in my view to go after his political enemies and scarf up campaign contributions and donald trump will nip that in the bud. >> so the hundreds of people that are involved in this class action lawsuit they're all just trying to get after campaign contributions. >> i think they were absolutely gemmed up. but the general attorney himself was trying to get campaign contributions out of the trump family. >> it's been a real dereliction of duty as everyone has pointed out that republicans didn't take on a lot of this meat this fodder earlier. i beg to differ and i think if anyone had really followed trump
university is just one of the stories, really followed this to its conclusion, interviewed some of these people named in the lawsuit, interviewed some of the people who feel wronged by donald trump and really put them out there, i think you might have a different picture and that will come in a general election. >> trump is so good -- ladies and gentlemen -- >> ted cruz's mother and father have walked out on the stage. carly fiorina is also now appearing and we are waiting to hear from senator cruz any moment now. again the tone of what -- how he says what he says is going to be very important to watch. it's one of the things that a lot of people will be watching for tonight. >> hello, hoosiers! [cheers and applause] >> i know that i speak for the entire cruz family, the entire
cruz team when i tell you how many hoosiers we have fallen in love with on this campaign. [cheers and applause] all the wonderful people who have shown up at rallies across the state, the retail stops where people let what looked like awesome food get cold while we all stood and talked about the state you love and the state we have come to love and the nation we all love. >> we love you! [cheers and applause] >> we came together as fellow warriors, warriors in a cause to save the soul of our party, the character and the future of our nation. [cheers and applause] and that cause continues and you are warriors still.
[cheers and applause] you know -- you know what makes this country extraordinary. you know that we are extraordinary because while people are gifted by god all over the world, it is only in this nation that so many people have been given the opportunity to realize their god-given gifts and we've been given that opportunity because we were founded on two powerful ideas. one, that each of us have a right to find and use our god-given gifts, a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. [cheers and applause] that those rights come from god and should not be taken away by man or government. [cheers and applause] and the other idea that power
concentrated is power abused. and so when power gets concentrated in the hands of too few for too long too many americans and this nation suffer. and you know as i know that in this nation extraordinary people step up. you have all stepped up. >> that's right. >> and it has been my great pleasure, my privilege, my honor, to stand by and fight alongside one of the great citizens of this extraordinary nation. >> yes! [cheers and applause] >> the ted cruz that i have come to know, the same man that you have come to know -- >> yes. >> -- this is a man who favors substance over sloganeering.
[cheers and applause] who favors respect over insult. [cheers and applause] who favors positive policy solutions that will actually work over hand waiving. it has been my great privilege and honor to come to know him as a friend, as a husband, as a father. he is indeed a great citizen of this great nation. and so citizens, fellow citizens, as we fight on for the nation we hold dear -- [cheers and applause] -- as we know that our history is long and our future is longer still, please join me in welcoming a great man, ted cruz,
[cheers and applause] let me tell you about the america that i love. our nation is an exceptional nation. we were founded by risk takers and pooi nears, brave men and women who put everything on the line for freedom. we began with a revolutionary idea that our rights don't come from kings or queens, but from god all mighty. that everyone one of us has the right to life, love and the pursuit of happiness. and that to protect those rights the constitution services as chains to bind the mischief of government. [cheers and applause]
for more than two centuries we have protected those rights. we believe in equal rights for everybody, that everybody deserves dignity and respect whether they agree with you or not. that there will always be evil in the world and injustice in the world, but america stands up to it and confronts it. [cheers and applause] even from a montgomery jail our voice for justice and equality rings out for the ages. america is hopeful, optimistic. america is kind. we are not boastful or mean spirited. >> donald trump is. >> america is brave and we keep our word and we believe in peace
through strength. [cheers and applaus [cheers and applause] we have spilled more blood, spent more treasure in defense of liberty than any country in history, yet we do not engage of wars of conquest. we do not seek to enrich ourselves at our neighbor's expense. america is the land that gave my mom, an irish-iltan girl the chance to be the first to go to college and to become a computer programmer in the 1950s. [cheers and applause] i love you, mom. america's the land that welcomed my father as a penniless immigrant. he'd seen oppression, prison and
torture in cuba and for him america was hope. it was opportunity. in 1957 if someone had told that teenager washing dishes for 50 kren cents an hour that one day his son would be elected to the senate and he would get a chance to cast his ballot for his son to be president of the united states -- [cheers and applause] -- that teen-age immigrant washing dishes could never have believed it and yet that's
exactly what happened. only in america. [cheers and applause] in recent months a lot of people have been talking about what happened 40 years ago at the republican convention in kansas city, our party's last contested convention. when i look back at that convention i look at the speech that ronald reagan gave to our party. he spoke not of the next four years. he saw not the close horizons that are of interest to those who seek to build their own fortunes in the short-term, but instead he looked to the distant times that concerned the men and women whose purpose it is to secure the blessings of liberty to their possess terty. ronald reagan spoke of the next 100 years and of the generations of americans who would come to know if our nation had escaped
the threat of nuclear war, who would know whether our party had succeeded in the fight of erosion of constitutional freedoms that only agree and multiply under rule of the democratic party. ronald reagan spoke of the purpose that defined our party then and that must unite and drive our party now. [cheers and applause] the republican party of ronald reagan and george bush ensured that thousands of nuclear missiles that the soviet union and the united states had targeted each other were never fired and that solve yet communism was assigned to the ash heap of history. they fought hard so that our american freedoms were not lost
to any foreign foe nor sacrificed in the pursuit of any domestic agenda of the democratic party. [cheers and applause] yet the challenges we face today remain as great as ever. americans are deeply frustrated and desperately want to change the path that we're on. we have economic stagnation at home and our constitutional rights are under assault. under the obama/clinton foreign policy russia has emerged as a threat. china looks with an eye on the lands of our allies in the region. a nuclear north korea and a near nuclear iran yearn to devastate our homeland and radical islamic terrorism unleashes an evil that threatens the world.
this year two weeks before our party gatherers in cleveland all americans will celebrate the 240th birthday of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] american parents and grandparents will watch the fireworks with their kids and will dream of the grandchildren and great grandchildren to come and wonder how those future generations of americans will remember what we do not only this summer, but in the coming decades. will we rise to meet the challenges that face our nation on the international stage or will we withdraw and cower timidly from the world? will we secure freedom of thought, expression and religion for future generations? [cheers and applause] or will we succumb to the
politicalal correctness and the temp nation of racial politics he here at home? will we hold fast to our values of rewarding talent, hard work and industry, or will we continue on that path of socialism that incentives dependsy? will we deliver control of health care to citizens and their doctors or will we continue down the obamacare road to second rate socialized medicine? will we keep america safe from the threats of nuclear war and atomic terrorism? or will we pass on to future generations a land devastated and destroyed by the enemies of civilization? this is the responsibility with
which we have been charged by history. this is our challenge. this is the fight that falls to our generation. when we launched this campaign 13 months ago, we saw a movement grow. the pundits all said it was hopeless, but we saw over 300,000 volunteers all across this nation. [cheers and applause] over 1.5 million contributions averaging about $60 each -- [cheers and applause] many of those volunteers, many of those contributions you never forget. just a few days ago two young kids, ages four and six, handed
me two envelopes full of change. all of their earnings from their lemonade stand. they wanted the campaign to have it. that's what built this campaign. that's what fueled this movement. [cheers and applause] thank you to each of you. incredible patriots who have fought so hard to save our nation. >> we'll fight with you! [cheers and applause] >> and i with you. [cheers and applause] i am so grateful to you, to my amazing wife heidi. [cheers and applause]
to our precious girls. [cheers and applause] to my mom, the prayer warrior. [cheers and applause] to my dad who has traveled this nation preaching the gospel. [cheers and applause] to carly fiorina who has been an incredible, phenomenal running mate. what you have done, the movement that you have started is
extraordinary. i love each and every one of you. >> we love you! [cheers and applause] >> from the beginning i've said that i would continue on as long as there was a viable path to victory. tonight i'm sorry to say -- >> no. >> no. >> it appears that path has been foreclosed. >> no! >> together we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got, but the voters chose another path and so with a heavy heart, but with boundless optimism for the long term future of our nation we are suspending our campaign.
>> no! >> but hear me now, i am not suspending our fight for liberty. [cheers and applaus [cheers and applause] i am not suspending our fight to defend the constitution, to defend the christian values that built america. our movement will continue and i give you my word that i will continue this fight with all of my strength and all of my ability. >> you're a great man. [cheers and applause] >> you are extraordinary and we will continue to fight next week and next month and next year and together we will continue as long as god grants us the
strength to fight on. [cheers and applause] for one thing remains as true today as it was 40 years ago in kansas city, in this fight for the long-term future of america, there is no substitute for victory. there is no substitute for the america that each and every one of us loves with all of our heart, that we believe in with all of our heart and that together we will restore as a shining city on the hill for every generation to come. thank you to each of you and god bless you. [cheers and applause] ted cruz announcing he's ending his quest for the presidency right now. take a look at this. he's embracing his wife, his father, his whole family is
there. he has suspended his campaign following a devastating loss to donald trump tonight in indiana. donald trump i think it's fair to say for all practical purposes is now the presumptive nominee of the republican party, even though he doesn't yet have the magic number of 1,237 delegates, he is well on his way, doesn't look like anything is going to stop him. donald trump emerges as the presumptive nominee of the republican party. interestingly enough, no con graj la toer word from ted cruz to donald trump, simply a statement he was suspending the campaign and the use of the word suspending is for political reasons he can still to raise money as long as he doesn't end his campaign. >> in case he has any campaign debt and who knows what's going
to happen at the convention i suppose, but first of all in terms of his not saying anything about donald trump, he had plenty of things to say about donald trump about calling him a liar and fill and derer so i think this would be tough to say all of that in a heartfelt manner which i believe he did but then come out and say i'm going to congratulate donald trump and i think he should be the nominee. second of all i was talking from somebody from the cruz campaign this thing was based on delegate math. they do not think they can stop donald trump from getting 1,237 delegates. it looks like donald trump might win all 57 delegates this evening from indiana, meaning he won the state and each congressional district. this is a state that ted cruz should have won. now the big question is about what does ted cruz do after this
devastating loss. another question is does he endorse donald trump. >> that's right. but whether or not he endorses donald trump, i think that we can all take a step back, highlight and underline and digest what wolf just said, which is donald trump is now the presumptive republican nominee. it is may 3rd. it's after a very long, very diverse, very intense battle where the cream of the crop was running in this republican race. >> one of the best republican fields in modern history. several successful governors and several popular senators, somebody that barack obama, marco rubio, had some of the broadest political talents out there. >> that is absolutely not what the voters in the republican party wanted. they wanted somebody new and different and somebody who really doesn't -- doesn't have
the experience in washington. someone who is going to bring a new sensibility to washington and that is donald trump. that is where we are and the fact that that is happening right now, after everything that this season has brought us, given where he came from, where even he says he was considered a joke on june 16th when he announced, now it's almost impossible to see unless something crazy happens which has happened this year, but it's almost impossible to see him not getting that magic 1,237 and in cleveland him being the person that the republicans nominate as their presidential candidate. >> let's underline this one more time. with senator ted cruz with drawing, that's it. john kasich who remains in the race was running fourth in a three man race. he's now running fourth in a two man race because he's behind a
marco rubio and ted cruz so that's not a serious challenge. donald trump who has never run for office before, a man who has offended the sensibilities of the republican establishment and millions of americans from every strike whether latino or muslim or others, is now the republican nominee and the big question now going forward is is he going to be able to change the map as he has promised his his appeal to white working class voters, appealing to them on approaches, the question is will that work? will he be able to redraw the map or is the math that the way that many republican officials suggest it is and the democratic nominee will have a leg up? i don't know. >> and the answer to that question is largely going to
depend on whether or knonot whae have seen in history is going to happen with donald trump in that people who said i'm not going to vote for x, y or z, will those voters fall in line. my experience last night in indiana a state that has gone republican for the last couple of decades at least in presidential years, i talked to a lot of republican voters who said you know what, i might stay home. i might just stay home. i might not vet voote for donal trump. that might change. there's a long time between now and november. i might write another name in. i might try to seek out a third-party candidate. there are all those unknowns, but we have to remember that we are right now in the heat of it and that things do tend to settle down and trump is dead set on unifying the party.
he has said so and the question is whether he can. >> he wants to redraw the map that when you ask about the challenge of donald trump who i think is fair to say this evening is the presumptive republican presidential nominee, is he is so unpredictable. that's what makes november such a question mark. anderson lots for your panel to talk about. >> we are waiting to hear from the presumptive republican presidential nominee. an extraordinary night. we were talking up to the beginning of ted cruz speaking -- >> i thought the math was impossible for cruz as we've all said all along, but i thought he was going to stay in until donald trump got to 1,237. now we're in the amazing situation where john kasich is the last man standing against donald trump and that's only because this is in fact much more of a crusade for john
kasich. people close to him say that he will not, that he will challenge trump to debates, he will stop talking about delegates and start talking about the future of the republican party. but if we approximapull back fo minute, all of us, myself included, the republican establishment, we always thought donald trump was just like one loss away from falling apart -- except for you. >> except for jeffry lord. >> donald trump is one loss away from falling apart or now he's said it and he can't possibly recover from that and of course he did. and i think that the electorate told us exactly how they're feeling, the republican electorate in this campaign, and they feel betrayed and angry and donald trump represents that. whether that puts his party in some peril in a general election -- >> did it surprise you david to
not hear anything from ted cruz about donald trump. >> we heard plenty from him earlier today. he called him a pathological liar. maybe he thought it would be discord ant to embrace him in the evening. i think there are a lot of folks that are going to have a lot of hard decisions to make now because there have been bumps and bruises along the way. one doesn't want to discount him. you're looking at a guy who has really historic negatives. 80% negatives among hispanic voters and 69% negatives among women voters. the fact is there are people who are disaffected over trade and other issues who he has gal van eyesed, but it's going to be
hard to overcome the obstacles that he's created for himself. he has a huge mountain to climb. >> it's not the traditional voting blocks that he only has to worry about. african-americans, latinos, asians and young voters. it's white women. >> he had a huge mountain to climb entering the race and what are they doing when they mine and eliminate the top of the mountain. he moved the entire mountains. >> it's not only constituentsies. i'm sitting here drawing a list and wondering what's paul ryan saying tonight? what's mitt romney saying tonight? what's jeb bush saying tonight? they're saying holy crap. >> do you want to do a couple of victory lapses. i feel like it's been a long time coming for you.
>> i want to say something about senator cruz and that speech. it may be forgotten now, but when ronald reagan lost to gerald ford and i'm not talking about the speech in a convention, but the speech at a hotel to his supportersen, he sd i'm hurt but i'm not slain. senator cruz should be and will be i assume a major factor in the republican party coming down the road and if he wants to be president of the united states at some point he stands a shot. doing this this way was the best way to do this. >> so speaks the next chairman of the republican party. >> can donald trump show that grace and class in his speech. that's what he should say. >> we'll see. we'll see. look, donald trump has led a really great and fascinating american life. he's an american original.
we all saw him come down that escalator and he really spoke to a lot of people in this country and we cannot loss sight of the fact that these people are responding and i remember michael sitting over there -- i guess it was the night of the pennsylvania primary and you were surprised at the suburban countries had voted for him. he carried all 67 counties in pennsylvania which is unheard of. >> a lot of us were surprised and could not have seen this coming from trump, but there are those of us who are not surprised as having ted cruz as the last guy between trump and the nomination was going to be a problem and this is why months and months ago many conservatives in the party were saying ted cruz is not the savior. ted cruz isn't going to work out in the end. ted cruz doesn't have the likability to really gal vannize people and that's why there was an effort to get a bunch of candidates to drop out so there wasn't just this plurality that
donald trump was exploiting very well and prop up someone like marco rubio who actually maybe had a shot, but this scenario was completely predictable unlike so much of trump's success, i think cruz's demise ultimately was seen for miles down the pike. >> i see cruz differently tonight than you do. i don't think he should have done this tonight. we were just talking about this. somebody talks about your father, somebody goes after your family, would you have dropped out tonight? >> never. even though there was no path to victory, maybe i'm a smaller person but you have to defend your family honor. >> why is this guy still in and he can't get there and why did he get out? >> he said running for president is the mri to the soul and i thought of that when hillary clinton got out of the race a day or two later she was really impressed by barack obama.
she thought he was fully qualified to be president. she was impressed by him she had seen his soul up close in the clenches. ted cruz has seen donald trump and i bet he's not impressed. >> especially because of what dana was saying earlier, if anyone in the senate had the stomach to take this all the way, he doesn't get kcowed by defeat. >> i think what is about to unfold is going to be significant because so many tuesday nights we've sat together and said what donald trump will we see tonight. it's the first night he walks out on that stage and he is the presumptive nominee. does he take on a different persona, what does he say about ted cruz, does he try to recast the dye. >> you wonder if right now he's recalculating whatever notes he had. >> let's take the insults out. you see every time trump gets
out flips completely and says i like chris christie. she's great. you wonder if he's going to make those same overtures. >> what does he say about hillary clinton? last time he started the whole women's card rift and hillary clinton not being anywhere, and would only get 5% if she were a man. does he continue that line and i would argue that would hurt him in a general election. >> let me make one point about his popularity and jeffry you may have a different response to this. i can't think of a nominee who is emerging from his own process who is less popular in his own party. >> barry goldwater. >> how did that work out? >> i mean the goldwater, jfk had been assassinated. no republican was going to win
that. >> in his own party. >> in his own party. let's not forget that he stood up at that convention and excorrelated goldwater and his supporters. clearly that's not the way to go and it does now mean that donald trump has to start bringing people together and i have no doubt he'll try to do that. >> paul, what do you think of the fact that donald trump has wrapped this up before hillary clinton? whoever thought that was going to happen. >> it's impressive. >> it is. i'm a clinton person. i posupport her. this is a complete victory. this is rome sacking carthage. >> you just stole lines from his speech. >> we must not under estimate him. winter is coming. listen, you connect two things that are connected. the same rebellon is happening
in the country in both parties. the reason hillary is still fighting is the reason that trump won. there is a big, big discontent in this country and tonight for bernie sanders and we can say the same thing about bernie, he shouldn't be here either. i just don't think that people get it yet. you got people sitting on a white hot stove in their houses right now and they are mad. it's going to be interesting if you now have a situation where you have donald trump attacking hillary clinton and you have bernie sanders echoing some of the same sentiment against hillary clinton as well as. >> you talk about an mri of the soul. you saw jeb bush's soul as well and you're seeing hillary clinton's grit as well. hillary clinton is going to be fine. she's not worried about bernie sanders, but i do think she has got to tonight show that she's got the message from both parts, the message from the republicans, they're mad and
hurting, the message from the democrats, they're mad and hurting, she can get there exhibit but this should not be a moment of happiness for liberals. >> this is what we're going to learn this year. in previous cycles for republicans we have learned that we cannot win without the base and we have a couple of candidates that did not excite the base. now we're going to learn if we can't win without the establishment, without mod rates and independents. if we can win with only the base. that's what we're going to learn through trump. >> i want to bring in mark preston. we're hearing now from the rnc. >> we are. there's been a lot of talk about what's going to happen next with john kasich saying he's going to stay in, but the republican national committee said they expect donald trump to be the republican nominee. they tweeted it right there. if you look at that donald trump will be the presumptive nominee. we will all need to unite and