tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 4, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
welcome back. top of the hour. according to donald trump, beginning of the general election campaign, now that he is the presumptive republican nominee. trump is facing new challenges, not the least of which he is wildly unpopular among women. in a gallup poll a month ago, 77% had unfavorable opinion of trump, even before he said hillary clinton was playing some woman's card. the question is does trump have plans to change the dynamic?
here is more of wolf's interview. >> let's talk about women voters. you'll have to be good with women voters. 61% of female voters, republicans, democrats, independents back hillary clinton. only 35% of women nationally say they back you. how are you going to change it. >> i think it will change, i think it will change rapidly. women want security. women want strong military. they want to know that they're secure in our nation. women want women's health issues taken care of and hillary is not going to do it like me because i am going to make our country rich again, i am going to bring back our jobs, we are going to have a good economy again. which we don't now, we have a horrible economy. and again, remember this. nafta has been a total disaster for our country. nafta was signed by the clinton administration. what nafta has done to this
country, i won new york big. and speaking of winning new york big, if you look at the polls, exit polls, i was number one with women by a long shot, nobody was even close to me. i won new york, pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut, delaware, rhode island, all these, and indiana the other night. if you look at the polls, number one with women and it is not even close. >> let's talk about general election, electoral college strategy, get to go 270 electoral votes. john mccain couldn't do it, mitt romney couldn't do it. how are you going to do it. what states are you going to put in play that they couldn't put in play. >> that's a question i love, something i think that i am better served than anyone. first of all, you see i did very well in new york. do you agree? >> because they're republicans. you won almost every county in recent elections, except your own personal home county in manhattan. >> which is under review, they think i won that, too. >> really? >> yes.
it is called manhattan. i won every county in new york, every county in pennsylvania, every county in maryland, every county in five states plus new york. that's a pretty good run. i hear i won every county in indiana. >> from new york state, i am from buffalo, up state, you'll do well there. new york city, there are a lot of democrats. >> i did very well. >> among republicans. among republicans. >> among republicans, yes. >> you're not suggesting new york would be in play. >> i am suggesting new york is in play. >> i know you suggested michigan and pennsylvania. >> i will win upstate new york by massive numbers, outer long island by massive numbers. sections horribly effected by
nafta, a clinton deal. i will win sections of this city that nobody else could win. yes, i think new york is in play. by the way, if new york is in play and i won new york, then i won the election. you understand that because of the size. i'll win michigan. michigan is not going to be even contested by any other republican. they wouldn't even go there. i'll win michigan because of what's happened. they sucked all the jobs out of michigan, too. i am constantly talking about michigan with the cars and what's happening. i think i'll win pennsylvania. i'm sure i'm going to win pennsylvania. i'll win florida, which you have to win. i think i'm going to do very well, but i will put states in play that no other republican will even talk about or go to. >> do you think the general election has already started, you versus hillary clinton, that for all practical purposes bernie sanders is out? >> i think what has happened. there's been a flip, i'm even surprised about it. i thought i would be going longer, she would be going shorter. that's like a football team can't get the ball over the line, put it away. she can't put it away.
i thought she would be campaigning against me. yeah, i'll be campaigning against her. >> the general election campaign from your perspective starts today. >> essentially it started, yeah, today. started three months ago when i hit her hard. >> your tone is supposedly more presidential or will you really go after her? >> look, i went to the best school, i am a smart person, i did well. you know. i am who i am. i don't like to change, i don't like to really change. sort of interesting, there was talk about will he be presidential. we had 17 people, all smart. one by one, week after week, boom boom boom. gone gone gone. i don't want to maybe change so much. i want to use that same strategy for trade deals, and that same -- i feel i'm a presidential person. >> same strategy you used to get rid of the other republican candidates you want to use now against hillary clinton? >> i would say yes, i mean, again a lot will depend how they treat me. if they treat me at a certain
level, i'm not looking -- you've seen i am a counter puncher. i don't like hitting people first. i don't know how, i always felt i am better, certain boxers, they're better counter punchers. i have been very successful, wolf. only doing it ten months. somebody in your world gave me credit the other day, said he has been really effective, never seen anything like it before. somebody else said and he's only been doing it ten months. these people have been in politics for 35 years. >> very impressive that you came out of no political background for all practical pirurposes an now are the presumptive republican nominee. >> i have always been heavily involved in politics, never been elected, i wouldn't have done it this time, would be happy to stay what i was doing. a great family, great company, really great company, love doing it. when i see the mistakes and stupidity of what they're doing
with our country, iran deal, trade deals, the military, can't beat isis. i see what's going on, i said i have to do this. >> one final question because we are out of time. not going to be a contested convention in cleveland, as you know. you're the presumptive republican nominee. you say you want to bring more showbiz or pizazz to the convention. what are you talking about. >> i would like to. seeing the other one, last convention was lowest rated convention in the history of conventions, not an exciting convention. turned out to be a race that should have been won and wasn't won. i would like to add something that would be, that would make people happy. we have to promote our country. our country, we have to be cheerleaders to a certain extent. our country is depressed, people are fighting whether black and white, rich and poor, everybody is fighting. president obama has not done a good job in terms of being a cheerleader. i want to make, i want to do
something that's good, that's going to make people feel good about the country. it is not about -- >> what do you want to do. >> we will be looking at certain things. i actually recommended things the last time they didn't do them and should have. it was a very boring convention. much more important and exciting, we want good ideas. ultimately it is ideas that matter. we want to make great trade deals, take care of our vets, do lots of good things with education. right now our educational process is a disaster. going to strengthen borders. obamacare will be repealed and replaced with something much less expensive that works much better. there are so many things we can do. that ultimately is more exciting than making the event exciting. >> after the convention, there will be three presidential debates against hillary clinton or bernie sanders for that matter, one vice presidential debate. you're going to have to start gearing up for the debates. >> well, i'm ready. one of the things that was
interesting i was never sure of, i never debated professionally before. every single poll, drudge, all have great polls, "time" magazine, have these polls. on average seven of them, online polls that take place after the debate. i won every single poll of every single debate, so i feel good about my debating skills, and again, something i said i've never done this before, stand there and answer formal questions. >> hillary clinton is a pretty good debater. >> i think she's, i watched her. i really do. and bernie is a good debater also. >> you'll be ready. >> i'll be ready. >> ready or not. it is happened because of a whirl wind 24 hours. first cruz backed out and then kasich. also ahead, what would a clinton trump matchup look like. john king will crunch some numbers. you know when i first started out,
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we heard from clinton and donald trump on the program. how about we take a breath, acknowledge what an incredible 24 hours it has been. not long ago, the possibility of a contested convention in the republican party dissipated in a day. how is the party reacting to the momentous last 24 hours? >> you would think, anderson, that they would be better prepared given the fact it was clearly headed this way, but it was really at the end things
happened so quickly. of course, about 24 hours ago that ted cruz dropped out, john kasich who didn't have a shot, was nominally in the race formally called it quits. now what we have been seeing are the party elders, never mind the sort of rank and file, but more importantly party elders are kind of calibrating where they are. mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader came out about an hour ago and had i think fair to say tepid endorsement of donald trump saying he committed to supporting the nominee, the person the republican voters choice, but there was a but there, he wants to be sure donald trump understands it is up to him to now unite the republican party, and then you have george w. bush who came out and said he is going to not say anything, not participate. that's a statement, sort of a nonstatement that spoke volumes.
that gives you a sense how much the party is split now. i say now because we still are kind of in the shock part of this situation. you still have a lot of time for donald trump to consolidate between now and november. >> now that he is the nominee or presumptive nominee, you have been hearing talk about a possible third party candidacy. is that for real? >> is it for real? it is for real there is real talk about it by real movement conservatives who are saying they simply cannot support donald trump, will not support hillary clinton and are looking for a, quote, new home. that's what one person told me. the problem is you can't run a third party candidate without a candidate. sources i'm talking to tonight say that everybody who they have talked to whether viable, former generals, former senators, former governors, they have up to this point, anderson, said they're not interested.
they have to continue to convince somebody that is real first. then they have to, if they find that person, proceed on the process of getting them on the ballot which is different in every state. it would be complicated, never mind the fact you have a bunch of people in the republican party that don't like the concept of trump but dislike more the concept of splintering republicans and handing the white house to clinton. >> they talk about what they see is their path forward. >> he won indiana and even the clinton campaign acknowledges he is likely to do well in the next several contests in west virginia and kentucky and beyond. his path forward as he personally says is uphill, and really relies on those superdelegates, people who are not voted on but can be swayed changing their minds. that's a tall order at this
point. so he is continuing to go out there, rally his supporters, motivate his troops. he is not going after clinton like in the past. he will keep on keeping on, but clear he knows in his heart of hearts he is not getting the nomination. >> we have more on the political panel, i don't know what we have to talk about, not like it has been one of the more surreal things going on in history. former south carolina member bakari sellers, and political correspondent patrick heely, cnn political commentator, amanda carpenter, tara setmayer, and stewart steven. stewart, we'll start with you. thought this day would never come, donald trump would not get the nomination. what do you do now? >> personally the same thing i did the day before, not support
donald trump. i'm with the last two republicans to be elected president. i think donald trump is unacceptable, uniquely unqualified to be president. i won't support him. >> you will vote for hillary clinton? >> no. i don't know if there will be a third party, depending what that person is offering, would certainly look at it. a lot of us, a very disappointing choice. you have one vote. you can give it to someone you think is unqualified to be president. a lot of us think we can't cast that vote for donald trump. >> amanda, clearly a cruz supporter. with donald trump winning the nomination, what do you do. >> i find this liberating. other conservatives i talk to, there's no obligation to donald trump, no reason to defend him, he never tried to court
conservatives, there's no obligation to work together on anything. he wanted to win in a different way, a different path. i think he will run to left of hillary clinton on many issues. today said he was open to doing something on minimum wage. he is going to rewrite in map. a lot of conservatives, ideological ones don't want to be part of it. let him continue on his own. >> does that worry you as a trump supporter. >> doesn't worry me, i don't think this is a grass roots mentality. it is a shame and disappointment that among pundits won't rally around this person. grass roots has spoken commandingly. donald trump will have most votes of any candidate in history. most are excited to go to the polls for him, encouraged by what's happening. >> it is a split, i will be quick. real loss opportunity. we had this populous movement,
at that time the conservatives were leading it, historic victories in 2010 and 2014. there were principles underneath it. people were angry not enough was done. now there's a split between ideological conservatives that care about liberty, constitution, and the rest of everybody else that doesn't have time to keep up, are so desperate for change go with donald trump. going a dangerous direction, be wild and crazy, we'll see. >> that split was there with mitt romney and john mccain. conservatives rallied around them, they were afraid of the spec ter of obama. >> what about the idea of a third party. seems an uphill climb. >> it is. i am one of those people with amanda and stewart, as a principled conservative who spent my entire adult life fighting for constitutional conservatism, for individual liberty against a liberalism,
against policies of people like hillary clinton. this is a disappointing moment for me that the primary electorate has had a mid life crisis, cash in the 401(k) and buy a harley, say the hell with it all, go across america. whatever happens happens. that's what we are doing with donald trump. he doesn't represent anything that conservatives represent. he barely represents anything republicans represent. i don't know what republican party looks for with someone like him at the head of it. >> you say it is a defeat for true conservatives? >> i meant capital t, capital c. using the term to describe ted cruz's theory, the republican party erred by not being conservative enough, needing to compromise, so on and so forth. and turned out only 30% of the electorate agreed with that message. the reality is on one hand,
ideological conservatives have donald trump.not to support every reason to think the republican party would change in radical ways. at the same time i think conservatives need to do soul searching about how they came to the point where 40 to 50% of republican electorate looked at figures like ted cruz and marco rubio and said these guys aren't getting the job done. ideological conservatism isn't getting it done. the fact is they lost their own party. they're right to stand -- >> do you get a sense of how hard it would be for trump to unify? >> very hard. we spent the last 24 hours reaching out to about 70 republican elected officials, donors, strategists, asking where they are on trump now.
so many took a pass. mitch mcconnell came out almost 24 hours after the news donald trump would be the presumptive nominee. it is a dribble, dribble, dribble. the reality is donald trump is the most unpredictable, underestimated politician i've ever covered. we just don't know how much effort he will make to unite the party. says that's not what he's interested in or taking positions that go toward what ross is talking about or that he thinks will outflank hillary in an interesting way. this is a guy that is not a paint by numbers candidate and is taking over a party that likes predictability, likes someone that cares about orthodoxy and principles and he is throwing it up in the air. >> on the democratic side are you like many sanders supporters holding on superdelegates changing their minds? >> absolutely.
the rules are the early they set it up to protect the establishment candidate that after reforms in the late '70s after mcgovern rose to influence the party and lost across the board. that was a more conservative country. we have a more liberal party and liberal country, the map is more friendly to sanders, he wins, beats donald trump in all swing states. >> that's why superdelegates would switch because they believe in the general he can beat donald trump. >> and numbers prove it. she doesn't beat trump in every scenario and in all swing states. that part of the map, that blue collar great lakes region will come down to this election, especially hillary versus trump. bernie sanders has a lockdown on that trade vote. >> sanders hasn't started reaching out to superdelegates, says he is not doing that until mid june once he knows the number. they're not making a full court press yet.
>> do you see a viable path for sanders? >> i think senator sanders has every right to stay in as long as he wants to, he earned that right, built a movement. hillary clinton herself didn't get out of the race until june 7th. the fact of the matter is hillary clinton will go to convention with the largest pledge delegates. in indiana, up 3.1 million votes. every argument senator sanders came out with, her versus donald trump, she wins 11 out of 12 matchups in real clear politics polling. i think she will continue to run the race in the primary, bernie sanders will win some states, no doubt about it, but there's full court press on with the democratic party and hillary clinton to defeat donald trump. if she was not focused on donald trump, that would be malpractice. we started to see her staff up in swing states, spending money in a lot of swing states, moving forward with the general election campaign. >> what we are missing, the democratic party is playing a
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hillary clinton with a 13 point national lead over trump. what's behind the early strength in a general election matchup. >> in a word or two, the obama coalition. as we speak tonight, let's be clear, long way, 187 days to november. as we speak tonight, hillary clinton is holding the obama coalition and then some. show you some numbers. in the new poll, on the right, barack obama on election day. among men, doing better than obama, among women, better than the president on election day. among independents, better, white voters, better. suburbs. even among nonwhites, hillary clinton doing better than president obama on election day 2012. she enters the general election thinking if i can keep this together, i can win. >> for trump there were encouraging numbers on the economy? >> yes, you look at these numbers, a demographic ditch he needs to repair. there are some good numbers. look at michigan.
donald trump says he will create like the reagan democrats in the '80s trump democrats. the number one issue, the economy. trump has a five point lead. look at this. 20 plus points lead over hillary clinton who best to hand le the economy. donald trump says he will turn western states that have been blue like pennsylvania and michigan, perhaps to wisconsin and minnesota. trump says he will start here. again no guarantee. on the economy, he has a chance. >> how would he begin that strategy to change the presidential math? >> flip maps to take a look. this is the obama romney map. donald trump says i'll change pennsylvania. democrats don't think he will. do it for the sake of argument. says he can change ohio. michigan, if donald trump did those three, heavy lift. then says, anderson, florida is
my second home. just those four states, he is the next president. even if pennsylvania, most blue of the states stays there, stays blue under this scenario, he changes ohio, michigan, florida. tied at 269. not saying it plays out that way. gives you a reminder that hillary clinton enters with an advantage. if donald trump can do damage across the rust belt, he can make it competitive election. >> there's concern about people that don't want to vote clinton, how would that change the map. >> the clinton campaign is studying this closely. imagine a conservative that runs so if you don't want trump, can't vote for clinton, where might it play out. what about in the state of georgia. conservative stay home and hillary clinton, you get african americans to turn out big numbers. obama campaign thought they could in 2012. what if hillary clinton could turn georgia blue, and also mississippi, and arizona. if a conservative run took two,
three, four percent, she could get the latino vote. any of that a guarantee? no. heading into an unorthodox year with so many unpredictable elements, including a possibility of a third party candidacy, including how trump can play out in traditional blue areas. a lot of studying, they think the map this year will be different. this year is different. >> john king, thanks very much. back with the panel. ross, trump says he can turn traditional blue states red. is that feasible? >> probably not with the obvious caveat that i was here four weeks ago saying ted cruz had a good chance to win contested convention. you need to imply that caveat before all analysis the next six months. the reality is if you took trump's position on the issues which is clearly flexible, he will move to the center on economic issues, run to
hillary's left on some economic issues. he could win states like pennsylvania and michigan. the problem for trump is trump. in order today that, he needs to win a lot of suburban women. he needs to win as many hispanics, a few black voters. that's where the fact he is donald trump will be a big problem. that's where hillary will end up running on just heavily on the idea that this guy is a bigot that can't be trusted. >> stewart, the trump campaign hopes to reig nate reagan democrats that turned states red. based on how he has done in primaries, could the industrial midwest be a strong hold? >> no. that world doesn't exist any more. two quick numbers. 1980 ronald reagan won 57% of white vote, a sweeping landslide of 44 states.
in 2012, mitt romney won 24 states. the world changed. america changed. the lost tribes of the amazon theory. if they paddle up far enough up the amazon, beat the drum loud enough, they'll come to the river and vote for him. to win this race, you need to get north of 25% under any normal, reasonable turnout scenarios that occurred. what you're facing is a difficult national map. democrats start with 240 electoral votes. one thing to think about, anderson. 1988 was the last night republicans were able to celebrate winning the presidency on election night. i have done the last five of these. it is difficult. and he is shrinking the party
turning off women and turning off republican hispanics. >> i want to get caylee's vote. >> she set a record in indiana exit polls, 53% of democratic voters found her honest, trustworthy. converse of that, upwards of 40% don't think she's honest, trustworthy. that's a big deal. she hasn't been tested on the e-mail. now claiming he hacked her e-mails, if national security was put at risk because of her e-mail, not theoretically, that's a big deal. she's unpopular among woman. only won millennials in 26 states. a host of vulnerabilities. bernie sanders would be a stronger contender. >> tara? >> all those things may be true, but donald trump's negatives are higher than hillary clinton's. millennials aren't voting for donald trump. they'll coalesce behind hillary
clinton. in new york, an example quickly, in new york, 1.2, 1.4 democrats voted between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. 525,000 voted for donald trump. he is never winning somewhere like new york. >> more from the panel ahead. i want to get the panel's take on the future of the never trump movement. what happens now. do they have a future. details next.
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donald trump is the last one standing in the republican field. wolf blitzer asked trump if he is surprised as many are. >> did you ever think almost a year ago it was june in this building, you were going down the escalator that you would be the presumptive republican nominee? >> well, i hoped. >> did you really? you hoped? >> yeah, i did. you had 17 people, very capable people. i heard a lot of pundits saying this was the single greatest group of talent ever assembled for either party in terms of a group. it was also the largest group. so i joined somewhat after i heard that statement. i'm saying what am i doing. i'm hearing these people --
>> did you really think you could win? >> i guess, otherwise i don't think i would have done it. >> stewart, what do you think this race will look like assuming hillary clinton versus donald trump? is there a race you can compare it to? >> well, i think donald trump is going to get his brains beat out. i guess you would look at it to the goldwater. that was an ideological movement, conservative, you could make a case he paved the way for reagan victories. donald trump is a culture personality, running as a strong man character, more like south america. i don't know if there's a bar will he for it. what's remarkable to me, yes, donald trump won the nomination. has been given credit for that, real achievement. few people win nominations, it is more difficult than anyone
realizes unless you have been through the process, at the same time he emerges with historic high negatives, after all the publicity, only 28% of the public have a favorable view. what we were saying about opportunities afforded by those who consider clinton dishonest, 37% of the public think she's dishonest. 27% think that about donald trump. it is a huge wasted opportunity for republicans. >> in terms of a data operation, assuming hillary clinton does as well, probably doing a lot of opposition research against trump. does donald trump have that organization? >> no, not at all. he could behoove himself reaching out to his friend ted to bring a deal to get that. ted cruz built a voter id operation, had a ground game in some of the states. donald trump has been sort of flying by the seat of his clips.
he sees clips, sees poll numbers, sees movement that he can do, he also has, look, an incredible communication style and ability to get attention. the parallel that you have, i see some parallel in the hillary clinton, rudy giuliani race when he was running at first for senate in 2000, rudy giuliani was able to continually embarrass hillary clinton, push her into a corner by moving in new york to defend her husband's policies, got her nowsch, made it possible to get under her skin. i think in a way donald trump is going to be relying on his own sort of performance, communication skills more than on some incredibly sophisticated data operation, maybe relying on the rnc. >> peter, there's no evidence he will sort of adjust the way he does debates, that he will read policy papers. he seems in the wolf interview,
says he feels confident about his debating skills now. >> donald trump can't all of a sudden become a policy, doesn't know basic stuff. he tries to read speeches, he looks very stiff. i don't think there's real donald trump 2.0. he can move policies to the left, but he is never going to be able to speak with much authority. you can't learn this stuff in a few days like that. he is going to have to be who he is. >> beat the people that did know the policy papers and -- >> there's a formula. here is what i predict against hillary clinton. seeing previews already. he will precede questions to clinton, minimum wage, go ahead, have it. climate change, go ahead and have it. he will build on identity politics, male versus female, same-sex marriage, it is a new cultural front he is fighting we
don't understand yet. >> that's also what gives clinton the advantage. fact of the matter, what stewart brought up, reagan democrats have passed along or are republicans. the whole dynamic of somehow going into the -- >> i have to get a break in. we are out of time. >> oh, coming along. >> bernie sanders campaigning in kentucky after winning in indiana, campaign says delegate math could be on their side. i will speak with sanders' campaign manager up next. look at 'em! they're lovin' their vegetables. this is huge news! it's all thanks to our birds eye chef's favorites side dishes perfectly sauced or seasoned. what are you..? shh! i'm live tweeting. oh, boy. birds eye. so veggie good.
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bernie sanders vow ed to stay in the race all the way to the philadelphia convention. earlier today, secretary clinton told me she understands why he's not giving up. >> i know there are still some contests ahead and i respect senator sanders and whatever choices he makes and i really -- i have a lot of empathy about this, anderson. i ran to the very end in 2008. >> you've been there. you know what it feels like. >> i won nine out of the last 12 contests. people forget that. i won indiana. i won west virginia. i won a lot of states. but i couldn't close the gap in pledged delegates. and the gap between me and
senator sanders is far wider than it was between me and senator obama. >> joining me now is sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. what is the argument to super delegates before the convention, at the convention? >> well, the argument, anderson, this, again, we're going to go forward, let the voters vote, if we can get the margin down between secretary clinton and senator sanders, the argument is the polling has been consistent for months now, bernie sanders is a much stronger candidate against donald trump than is secretary clinton. he's going to have momentum going into the convention. the positions that he holds are going to be popular with a much broader base of people. he does very, very well with independents as you know. in open primaries, we have seen empirically he has a broad base of support and he's the one who will be not only be able to keep the white house, but help elect democrats up and down the ballot. >> she's got a lead of some 300
pledged delegates now. how close do you think you need to get in terms of pledged delegates in order to help the argument with the super delegates? >> well, we're going to have to see how we go. california is one of those states. there is 475 pledged delegates in california. you can eat substantially into that lead just in california alone with a strong performance. bernie sanders is doing well in polling in california and a number of states before that where he's going to do very well. next week, west virginia, he seems to be doing very well. there is so many states going forward that we'll see how close we get, but he's going to enter the convention with a big head of steam coming in there. >> what worries you more, president hillary clinton or president donald trump, and if it is trump, are you at all concerned that the longer the democratic primary drags on, trump can get stronger because he's already trying to run the general. >> trump is a disaster for the country, no doubt about that. let's be clear. hillary clinton is far superior to donald trump in every way
conceivable. but let me say this, this is a myth that the long primaries somehow hurt the general election nominee. i think 2008 really put that old myth aside when it went all the way to the end as the secretary said in the clip you ran. and obama won handily even though it went to the end. this campaign on the democratic side, unlike the food fight and name calling on the other side, this campaign on the democratic side has been about issues. it is important between now and the end of the process for issues that are important to democratic voters that they be discussed and debated. so if we can keep the minimum wage in the news, $12 that the secretary wants or $15 that senator sanders wants, let's talk about health care, education, these are the important issues facing the american people. if it seems to be one on one the way trump operates, all the issues will be pushed off the table because as we have seen in the primary process, the business imperative on the media
that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. here is one thing you can say about this campaign, you ain't seen nothing yet. this is "cnn tonight ." donald trump's takeover of the gop marches on as john kasich drops out and the presumptive nominee sets his sights on hillary clinton. >> she can't put it away. it is like a football team, can't get the ball over the line. i put it away. she can't put it away. >> clinton giving as good as she gets, preparing to take on the republicans' last man standing. >> i think he is a loose cannon and loose cannons tend to misfire. >> if there is one thing the improbable rise of donald trump has taught us, it is that anything can happen. well, probably not this, though. >> i'm