tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN May 6, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PDT
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already happens. surprise, surprise. there's a lot that still needs to be done and our michelle kosinski standing by live in the press briefing room where they're due to speak. allison kosik where she's been juggling a lot of the jobs numbers that have come out today. a chief political correspondent, dana barb and assistant editing. first, michelle kosinski, the timing of this announcement and the topics which seem to catch some of us off guard. put it into perspective for us. >> reporter: it is. the release of the panama papers shed light on this. it was shocking. the documents leaked showing people with money in the off-shore accounts. it's been working on this issue for a long time and listed rules they've enacted in the past. they've mentioned the panama papers in the white house blog. but how much of it of an impetus
that was for the release of this today. clearly, the white house mentioned it at length in this blog but they want to have a new rule in effect forcing financial institutions to know basically who they're doing business with. who owns the companies that are putting money there. but the white house is also proposing legislation. there are four different points they want congress to do to close loopholes and prevent tax evasion and allow for more transparency. of course, that's always a question mark. is congress going to do that but the white house is clearly on this message. the timing is perfect with the panama papers. they want to get that across but the white house also wants to talk about the jobs report. even though it's not as strong as it was in months prior, they still want to highlight those gains and the consecutive months of job growth they've seen. ashleigh? >> so interesting because that's what i thought our whole conversation was going to be about today and it's not. it's what you're about to hear, michelle kosinski. if i can go to allison kosik.
it's not just the jobs but the bigger picture. the graphic that shows the pattern. not just in the last three or four months, the entire year. and why the president may not have been too thrilled to make the focus today on this picture on our screen but instead, a different picture. take it from there, allison. >> you look at the picture though. over the past five years, ashleigh, the average number of jobs that have been created, about 207,000 jobs. that's not too shabby. but here's where the problem starts. the problem is that americans aren't feeling it. because americans, despite the fact unemployment is at 5%, many look at underemployment rate the real indicator of what's being felt in the u.s. and that underemployment rate at 9.7%. it's down but still high. we want to see the number come down. what is underemployment? the broader measure. people out of work.
people looking for work. and people who are working part-time. but want to work full-time. but people aren't feeling this recovery is going gang busters because i want you to listen to this number, ashleigh. 8 million people are out of work and are looking for work. 5.9 million people are working part-time, but they want to work full-time. and keep in mind, those people working part-time, they don't get benefits. they don't get health benefits. means they got to shell out the extra money for health benefits, that hurts the bottom line. and looking at wages, they have been moving higher ever so slightly. look over the past 12 months. wages went 2.5%. it's better than expected. clearly not great but we see them move in the right direction. so you're seeing a lot of people who are working part-time. though not getting the wages they want. they're not getting the benefits they want. that's why so many people aren't feeling the recovery. here's the rub in all of this. you know where all the openings are? the openings are in these high-paying jobs. yes, 5 million of them.
companies tell us they've got 5 million jobs open. but they don't have enough skilled applicants. i'm talking about positions in technology, computer science. but the trouble is that they don't have enough skilled workers to fill those high-paying full-time positions because even those higher paying jobs that we saw created in april, they're only temporary. so that really doesn't take into account the longer term picture of our jobs issue here in this country. >> yeah, and you can, you know, shout it from the rooftop, but there are jobs but if you're in the rust belt, you're still mad as hell and going to a donald trump rally about it or a bernie kosinski party about it. speaking of the politics of all of this, dana bash, as the president, you're just joining us. it's about ready to take to the lekturn at the briefing room. there are numbers to give us the bigger picture about why. why we're about to get this
briefing from the president and that's the job approval numbers. this is just come in. cnn orc poll. how is president obama handling his job? 51% of those asked approve of how he's handling his job. 46% disapprove. and before our viewers look into those numbers too deeply, it's important to put them into context. so here is the context of presidential approval ratings over the decades. 51% for obama now. but if you go back to president bush, back in april of '08, dana, it was 28%. >> i'm surprised it was that high. >> well, because you've been working your job for a while. clinton in 2000, that's bill, was 59%. and reagan in may of '88, was one point less than obama is now. so just with that context, the approval ratings and the idea that only 48% of americans think the economic conditions today are good, that's sort of our last big question for americans who are surveyed.
put into context, what you think we're about to hear the president say to us about these numbers. >> that we're doing much better. can always do even better than that. but that the economy is still on an upswing. and if you use that approval rating that you just put up, 51%, so the majority of americans do approve of him, that is a message that has been resonating. however, as you aptly pointed out, ashleigh, there is a reason why donald trump is now the effective republican nominee with a, not just the fact that he's an outsider, but with a very, very clear economic message saying, you know, we've got to bring jobs home. i get that many of you out there aren't feeling this economic upswing, so on and so forth. same with bernie sanders on the democratic side. it's because there is a lot of pain there. by there's also a reason hillary
clinton has hitched her wagon so tightly to barack obama because she sees particularly with the democratic base and even the broader electorate that it's not so bad to be the president right now. and to run as a, you know, third term of barack obama. if you're a conservative republican, it's the worst thing they ever heard. but if you're somebody who's kind of in the middle and feeling not terrible, that's why she's doing it. >> and she, as she hooks her wagon, as you so aptly described it to obama's start, that just might be what president obama is doing today. and i want to list out exactly what the white house says this is going to be about. it's not just about those jobs numbers that came out this morning. it's going to be about, and i'll list what they said. the statement on the economy, new steps to strengthen financial transparency, combat money laundering corruption, and tax evasion, boy, does that ever sound like stuff i want to hear.
it's that populist message that may be right now is what is driving donald trump and maybe not driving hillary clinton. >> i think that's absolutely right. if you look at what trump's out there, he's trying to position him to the left of hillary on economic issues. he's saying, look, i'm the guy who's not tied to wall street. i'll bring back jobs and renegotiate trade deals. much of that is not true but it does hit something that resonates with people experience in this country which is a lot of people haven't felt the recovery. we are still in the longest slowest recovery of the postwar era and jobs and wages have been stagnant since the 1990s. and hillary clinton's message has been not only that the obama administration has done a good job, we're in a good place but that the '90s when her husband bill clinton was in office were great and we just need to get back there. well, a lot of people don't feel that. they really are feeling a lot of pain and i think that's why trump is doing so well right now. >> if you're just gain johnnyjo
again, we expect the president to give a state of affairs for the economy and more pointedly, swing the message to what he wants congress to do to tighten up loopholes and money laundering corruption and tax evasion. if you were wondering how bad tax evasion is in this country, you might have heard of people maybe underreporting or maybe not saying exactly what their tips were or that sort of thing but shocked to find it's $458 billion that goes unpaid and is owed to uncle sam every year. it's a big, big part of the operating budget that we don't have in this country. the significance of that and what the president wants to do about it next. how are you supposed
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things on the agenda. on this friday, it's not just sort of post-super, super tuesday friday. it's also jobs friday. and the jobs numbers for april came out and though they were projected to be somewhere around 200,000 new jobs created last month, they weren't. they were actually short of that. only 160,000 jobs created in april which means three months in a row that are on the downside. that's not a rosy picture. it's very hard to spin it. so what might be about to happen is that the president is going to talk about other things he wants congress to do to protect you and the bad guys out there who take it or don't pay their fair share. paul callan is going to explain more on what's on this money agenda of the president and when i say the money agenda, there's some interesting things. i'm going to get you to weigh in on them as well buchbut there's topics whereby economic
transparency on the radar and a list i'd love our control room to pop up if he can of what he wants to do to tighten up the loopholes out there in corruption and money laundering and tax evasion and to strengthen financial transparency. so paul callan. it's great to read that he wants to pass legislation to require beneficial ownership transparency but what on earth does that mean? >> it goes back to money laundering which we probably should start with the definition of money laundering which is essentially when you have proceeds of a crime and it should be taxed. you try to shift it into a legitimate business to hide some sort of criminal activity and terrorism is, that's the danger with terrorists as well. that's not necessarily what this beneficial owner business means. what this means is that a lot of companies register anonymously in offshore banks to engage in massive financial transactions and the u.s. government has no way of knowing whether these
transactions should be taxed. so what this rule is going to do is it's going to say the bank, if it contracts with anybody, they have to know the name of the entity and be prepared to reveal it under certain regulations. >> i've had the warning the president is going to come out in probably about a minute. that's the only reason i'm cutting you off because i did have a long list. if you'll just indulge me for a moment, if you can do for me this. when i read $458 billion in taxes go unpaid every year, i thought of the big companies that hide them and in fact, that's not it. it's underreporting, underpayment, and failure to file in that order. that seems like the irs has got that figured out, but no? >> no. think about the amount of people in this country and resources that the irs has. it's not in line. but i do think that there's a bigger point here and i think to what you were just saying, there's a divide in this country right now between the fortunes of the biggest companies who can legally do a lot of offshore tax
optimization. they're able to move the profits they have the biggest share of wherever they want and not pay the fair share of taxes. labor can't do that. consumers can't do that. that divide is causing a lot of political pressure and one of the reasons they have the populism and i think that's what president obama is going to speak about. >> donald trump referred to these kinds of things. the president is coming out. let's go ahead and listen to him. >> how you doing, everybody. seven years ago, our economy lost nearly 700,000 jobs and the unemployment rate hit 9% on its way to 10%. seven years later in april of 2016, our economy added 160,000 new jobs. that makes april the 74th consecutive month of private sector job growth in america. over that record streak of job growth, our businesses created
14.6 million new jobs in all. wages have been rising at ana cabrera yu cabrera, annual rate of 3% and unemployment has been falling. and wages have been rising. but the global economy, as many people here are aware, is not growing as fast as it should be. we're still seeing lagging growth in places like europe, japan, and now china. here in the united states, there are folks out there still hurting. and so we've got to do everything we can to strengthen the good trends and to guard against some dangerous trends in the global economy. and if the republican congress joined us to take some steps that are pretty common sense, then we could put some additional wind at the backs of working americans. to create new jobs, they should invest in our infrastructure. our roads. our bridges.
our schools. our water mains. some of you joined me when i went to flint this week. it was a great example of the kind of work that is out there to be done. and we could be putting people all across this country back to work with huge multiplier effects across the economy if we started investing in the infrastructure that will make us more productive. to reward some of the hardest working people in america. congress should raise the minimum wage. this is something not only to help the individuals who are getting a bigger paycheck but also means they're spending more and that would be a boost to business. to level the playing field for american workers and crack down on unfair foreign competition, they should pass smart new trade agreements. and congress should reform our tax code to promote growth and job creation which includes closing wasteful loopholes and simplifying the tax code for
everybody. i've been talking about this for a while. only congress can fully close the loopholes that wealthy individuals and powerful corporations, all too often take advantage of, often at the expense of middle class families. if they're getting out of their fair share of taxes, that means the rest of us have to shoulder that burden and i put forth plans to repeatedly to do exactly that. close loopholes. make sure everybody is paying their fair share, which would not only give people greater confidence in the system but would be good for our economy. it would make sure that families and small businesses who don't have fancy lawyers and fancy accountants are being treated the same as big corporations who do. i think it's fair to say congress will not act on a big tax reform plan before the election. that would shut down some of the loopholes. but what my administration has been doing is to look for steps that we can take on our own to
make the tax system fair. in recent months, we've seen just how big a problem, corruption and tax evasion have become around the globe. we saw what happened with the release of the panama papers and we've seen the degree to which both legal practices of tax avoidance that are still unfair and bad for the economy as well as illegal practices that, in some cases, involve nefarious activities continue to exist and to spread. so combatting this kind of tax evasion and strengthening the globe has been part of the broader ongoing efforts to make sure our economy works for everybody. an example, here at home, we maked tax code fair and asked wealthiest americans to pay their fair share and last month,
the treasury department did that. just to avoid paying taxes in america. taxes that they rightfully owe. we've taken several steps to make sure our tax laws are enforced, including leading efforts to crack down on offshore evasion, and as a result, thousands of individuals have come forward to disclose offshore accounts and pay the taxes they owe along with interests in penalties. today, we're building on those efforts. and i believe you've heard from treasury that i want to amplify what they've told you in detail. number one, we are requiring banks and other financial institutions to know, verify, and report who the real people are behind shell corporations that set up accounts at the institutions. one of the main ways that companies avoid taxes or wealthy individuals avoid taxes is by setting up a bunch of shell
corporations and making it harder to trace moneys are flowing and what taxes are owed. we say to the financial institutions, you've got to step up and get that information. second, we're plugging a gap in our tax rules that foreigners can exploit to hide their assets to evade taxes. the treasury department and the irs propose a rule to be formed inside the united states. these actions are going to make a difference. they will allow us to continue to do a better job of tracking financial flows and making sure that people are paying the taxes that they owe rather than using shell corporations an od offsho accounts to avoid doing the things that ordinary americans, hard working americans are doing every day and that's making sure that they're paying their fair share. having said that, we're not going to be able to complete this job unless congress acts as
well. so i'm calling on congress to pass new legislation that requires all companies, formed inside the united states, to report information about their real owners to the treasury department's financial crimes enforcement network. i'm calling on congress to provide the justice department with additional tools to investigate corruption and money launderers and calling on the senate in particular senator rand paul who's been a little quirky on this issue to stop blocking the implementation of tax trees that have been pending for years and these trees actually improve law enforcement's ability to investigate and crack down on offshore tax evasion. and i'm not sure that's something he's in favor of. so we'll need to cooperate internationally because tax evasion, tax avoidance, you know, money laundering, these
things are all taking place in a global financial system and if we can't cooperate with other countries, it makes this harder for us to crack down. if we can combine the actions that we're taking administratively with the new tools that i'm asking congress to provide the justice department and treasury, these actions will prevent tax evasion, prevent money laundering, prevent terrorist financing, and they'll most importantly uphold the fundamental principle of our economy. no matter how wealthy or powerful, you should play by the same set of rules as anybody else. all right, thanks. i'm going to take a couple of questions with that. let's see. go ahead. yeah. since you're now the incoming president of the white house correspondents dinner. >> what's your reaction to donald trump becoming the presumptive nominee and given
the delegate math, do you think it's time for bernie sanders to step aside? >> well, with respect to the republican process and mr. trump, there's going to be plenty of time to talk about his positions on various issues. he has a long record that needs to be examined, and i think it's important for us to take seriously the statements he's made in the past. but most importantly, and i speak to all of you in this room as reporters, as well as the american public, i think, i just want to emphasize the degree to which we are in serious times and this is a really serious job. this is not entertainment. this is not a reality show.
this is a contest for the presidency of the united states. and what that means is that every candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting standards and genuine scrutiny. it means that you've got to make sure that their budgets add up. it means that if they say they've got an answer to a problem, that it is actually plausible. and that they have details for how it would work. and if it's completely implausible and would not work, that needs to be reported on. the american people need to know that. if they take a position on international issues that could threaten war or has the
potential of up ending critical relations with countries or potentially break the financial system, that needs to be reported on. and the one thing that i'm going to really be looking for over the next six months is that the american people are effectively informed about where candidates stand on the issues, what they believe, making sure that their numbers add up, making sure that their policies have been vetted, and that candidates are held to what they've said in the past. and if that happens, then i'm confident our democracy will work. that's true whether we talk about mr. trump or hillary
clinton or bernie sanders or anybody else. but what i'm concerned about is the degree to which reporting and information starts emphasizing the spectacle and the circus. because that's not something we can afford. and the american people, they've got good judgment. they've got good instincts as long as they get good information. all right? i think on the democratic side, let's let the process play itself out. you mentioned the delegate math. i think everybody knows what that math is. i think senator sanders has done an extraordinary job ranging a whole range of issues that are important to democratic voters as well as the american people generally. and i know that at some point, there's going to be a
conversation between secretary clinton and bernie sanders about how we move towards the convention. the good news is that throughout course of primaries, people get a little chippy. i've been through. it's natural. sometimes even more with the staffs and the supporters than the candidates themselves, the good news is that there's a pretty strong consensus within the democratic party on the vast majority issues. there's some disagreement about tactics. there's some disagreement about political strategy or policy nuance but both secretary clinton and bernie sanders believe that every american should have health care. so do i. both candidates believe that we should be raising the minimum wage. both candidates believe that we should invest in our infrastructure and put more people back to work.
both candidates believe that we should pass a comprehensive immigration reform policy that makes sure we're enforcing laws and improving our legal immigration system and making sure our borders are secure but also that we continue to enjoy the credible boost that we get from attracting talent from all around the world. both candidates agree that we should be prudent in terms of how we use our military and that we should care for veterans when they come home. if you look at 95% of the issues, there's strong agreement there. you don't see the same kinds of divisions between the two democratic candidates that remain that you've been seeing in some of the republican debates. >> mr. president, what did speaker ryan's comments tell you about the state of the
republican party and how would you advise fellow democrats who appear to now have to run against donald trump as to how they can win? >> well, i think you have to ask speaker ryan what the implication of his comments are. there is no doubt that there is a debate that's taking place inside the republican party about who they are and what they represent. the standard bearer at the moment is donald trump, and i think not just republican officials but more importantly, republican voters are going to have to make a decision as to whether this is the guy who speaks for them and represents their values. i think republican women, voters, are going to have to decide, is that the guy i feel
comfortable with in representing me and what i care about? i think folks who historically have been concerned about making sure that budgets add up and that we are responsible stewards of government finances. have to ask, does mr. trump's budgets work? those are going to be questions that republican voters, more than republican officials have to answer. as far as democrats, i think we run on what we're for, not just what we're against. for the last 7.5 years, we've been pretty clear about what we believe will help working families who are struggling out
there. and although it has been difficult to get through republican congresses to get those things done, the truth is that they continue to be prescriptions that would really help people. making sure that families get paid sick leave and family leave and early childhood education. that would help families. raise the minimum wage. that would help a lot of people. rebuilding infrastructure would put back to work a lot of guys in hard hats and gals in hard hats that need to work. and those are good jobs that can be expo be, can't be exported. i want americans to feel confident about the policy prescriptions we're putting
forward and the contrast, i think, will be pretty clear. i'll leave it up to the republicans to figure out how they square their circle. i'm going to take two more questions. yeah, go ahead? >> mr. president, what's your message to democratic voters, who have yet to cast their vote, who may be hesitant to vote for the democratic front-runner because of ongoing e-mail scandal and investigation and also, did you see donald trump's taco bowl tweet? and your thoughts on it. >> i have no thoughts on mr. trump's tweets. and a general rule, i don't pay attention to mr. trump's tweets. and i think that will be true for the next six months. so you can just file that one. in terms of the democratic vote coming up, i'm going to let the
voters cast their ballots, and not, you know, not try to meddle in the few primaries that are remaining. let the process play itself out. we'll know soon enough. it's not going to be that much longer. >> i want to ask you on infrastructure. not long before your nuclear summit, we heard pc metro closed for over 24 hours. you had them make note you'll be sort of more ordinary. i'm wondering what that says of the nation's capital on metro system closed for 24 hours and then having a number of safety-related problems and what can your administration do if republicans are standing in the way of an infrastructure built specifically for the dc metro to potentially provide more funding any more support for critical issues? >> this is a somewhat self-interested question i assume because a bunch of folks here take the metro.
but it is just one more example of the underinvestments that have been made. look, the dc metro historically has been a great strength of this region, but over time, we underinvested in maintenance and repair and the steps that are being taken now all refer to the department of transportation but i can say that obviously safety comes first and we want to make sure that if there's safety concerns, that they're addressed. but the broader issue is we've got bridges, we've got roads, we have ports, we have airports. we have water mains and pipes as we saw in flint. that suffers from neglect. and in many parts of the
country, we're still relying on systems that were built 30, 50, and in some cases a hundred years ago. and the reason we've been neglecting them is not because we don't know how to fix them. it's not because people haven't been aware of the need. we've known for years now that we're a trillion or two trillion dollars short in terms of necessary infrastructure repair. i talked about this when i came into office and sought to do more in terms of investing in our nation's infrastructure. the problem we have is that the republican congress has been resistant to really take on this problem in a serious way. and the reason is because of an ideology that says, government spending is necessarily bad. and i addressed this when i was in flint.
that mindset, that ideology, has led to us not investing in those things that we have to do together. as you point out, this metropolitan area, the nation's capital economically is actually doing really well. but it doesn't matter how big your paycheck is. if you've been taking the metro and suddenly it's shut down for a month, and now you're stuck in traffic trying to drive to work instead, you can't build your own metro system. you can't build your own highway. you can't build your own airport. and so we have a specific problem with underinvesting in infrastructure. now is the time, by the way, for us to do so. interest rates are so low. and there's so many contractors
and construction workers that are underemployed at the moment that you can actually get jobs done on time, on schedule. it would give a boost to our overall economy because we know that when we spend a dollar on infrastructure, you actually get a bigger bang for the buck in terms of the economy overall. surrounding businesses, suppliers. food trucks. everybody does better. and it gives a huge boost to the economy and it lasts for a long time. think about the investments we've made in things like the hoover dam. the golden gate bridge. or metro. it's a good thing to do. and he istorically was and shou not be partisan. but if we have a mindset that says, whatever government is doing must be bad, then these
are going to be the results and it's going to continue to get worse. it's already tough in poorer communities like flint, but, you know, we're seeing these kinds of infrastructure problems spring up in communities all across the country. and it doesn't distinguish by race or by region. everybody needs roads. everybody needs airports. so hopefully this will prompt a conversation. last thing i'm going to say about this. this is a good example of making sure that the candidates are speaking to this issue. as you go into the presidential election. i put forward very specific proposals for how i would pay for additional infrastructure. the numbers add up.
and so the question is, how do the remaining candidates for the presidency intend to tackle this? how do members of congress intend to tackle this? what's the republican agenda for infrastructure? do they have one? how do they pay for it? do they pay for it by cutting medicare or medicaid? if they do, that needs to be fleshed out. and the consequences for working families needs to be explained. all right? thank you everybody. >> and there he goes. and in about 26 minutes or so, the president just tackled enough topics for a four-hour program. i feel like i've got whiplash because we went into that news briefing expecting it to be all about a statement on the economy. we just had the jobs number. so that was a lead story and then the announcement was supposed to be strengthening financial clarity and
transparency and enforcing congress to help corruption and tax evasion and then came the politics questions. which leads me to suzanne melvo standing by live. dana bash also live and abbey phillip with "the washington post" and the guest list doesn't end there but i'm going to start with you, suzanne. i'm sure you expected me to ask you about the financial announcements and the legacy and i'm not going to. i am instead going to ask you through memory to help me walk through all of the issues that he just touched upon including the fact that the election is, quote, not entertainment, not a reality show, and that he does not pay attention to donald trump's tweets nor will he ever and it goes on and on from there. >> you know, actually, i suspected you and i were going to talk about politics coming out of this because i know the questions were going to be about
politics, essentially but i want to say what we're seeing here is a precursor to the next six months from president obama. he's understood statypically un the people behind me say he's enthusiastic and excited and ready to go out there and tick off some of the points he mentioned. file it away. he's not paying attention to donald trump's tweets. doesn't want to respond to those but he will talk about that he doesn't believe donald trump is a serious candidate and somebody not fully vetted and reporters need to ask tougher questions and take a look at his background and that this is entertainment for the american people. the other thing that he emphasized is that you can already see and hear in the language that he is trying to bring the bernie sanders folks and the hillary clinton people together. it's not happened yet. but he said, look, 95% of the issues are shared by both of these candidates and that there will be a time when he will get
behind whoever is the presumptive nominee. it struck me, however, too, ashleigh, one of the things we heard from here, a very populist message coming from this president. we heard things about people's fair share, having confidence, the need to have confidence in the system, and he also talked about getting tougher on the banks and that is something he's been hit hard. he talked about trade and not having foreigners necessarily be the ones who are benefitting beyond others americans and those are things that donald trump has been hitting, hitting very hard and it's the kinds of things we've been hearing against hillary clinton on the road as well. i think he's kind of moving in the direction taking some of the bernie sanders points and incorporating it in what he wants to do in pro moting the democratic party and finally, i will say, ashleigh, this is a president who's very concerned about keeping his policies and promoting his legacy. no mistake about the timing now that, yes, we came in talking about the numbers, the economy, but the first thing that came
out of his mouth was the 700,000 jobs that were lost when we first started seven and a half years ago. a lot of people believe he's not gotten the proper credit for turning things around after that recession and gotten some things done, yes, immigration, health care reform, but a lot of these things he's looking at now is because of executive order and he knows that that could be completely turned on its head if there's a republican in office. >> you said that because he started his news conference by saying this is the, i believe, 76th month of consecutive job growth, unemployment is falling and wages are rising. and that is not really what everyone is thinking when you see only 160,000 jobs added last month. dana bash, you're so steeped in the election right now and everyone else in that white house briefing room is too. it was going to be pretty clear what suzanne just said there. asked the questions about the
race and what he thinks about what happened with paul ryan yesterday and jake tapper and it was fascinating to hear him say the american people need to be effectively informed, that policies have to be vetted, and that candidates are held to what they have said in the past. he didn't even need to say donald trump's name with that. >> no, absolutely. it falls along the same vein and message suzanne was talking about at the beginning of her report. take a deep breath. what i have behind me, that's the oval office and downstairs is the situation room and this is the real deal. this isn't a reality tv show and it also dove tails, i'm not sure accidentally with what we heard from hillary clinton right here on cnn. risky. loose cannon. it's that kind of thing you're going to hear over and over and over again to voters who are clearly angry, clearly not happy
with the way washington is, that's why they elected somebody to be the republican nominee who has never served in washington. however, what you're going to hear more and more and, you know, he was actually speaking from the pulpit from the democratic leaders, barack obama, once there is a nominee, is we get you're angry, but you have to weigh that versus the fact that this is the real deal here and this is a very serious, very tough job. and you have to take it seriously. the one thing i will say and maybe this is just something that i keep hearing from hillary clinton and we heard it from barack obama is to ask the tough questions. again, so far, at least in the republican primary process, there were umpteen debates including six or so republican
debates at cnn, maybe more. many other networks. so many interviews done with all these candidates but especially donald trump where we really did push on policy. certainly, but pushed for specifics and often didn't get it. and you know what? he didn't get burned for it with voters. voters were just, they didn't really care as much about the specifics and i was told that time and time again, from voters at trump rallies that yeah, maybe he's not that knowledgeable about specifics on policy but they say he'll get there and the point is that he's not in the pocket of washington. that is something we'll hear again but again, just as a journalist, push back a little bit to continue to do so because it has been asked. >> abby, the president was asked about what happened on jake tapper's show yesterday when jake asked the speaker of the house, paul ryan, who was going to be the chair of the
republican convention in july if he backs the republican nominee, the presumptive nominee and jaws dropped all over this nation and overseas too when he said i'm just not there yet. the president when asked to respond to that, i'm watching it on a tv monitor. he looked bemused and annoyed and frustrated in the same breath when he gave his response. but give me your assessment. >> i think that's probably an accurate description of what's going through the president's mind. there's a sense they want republican leaders to speak out a little bit more to express what he believes is some concern about donald trump's rhetoric but i think that democrats on the whole and president is among them in this think there's a great opportunity to convert
republicans into essentially democrats for the purposes of this election. you've seen a lot of that rhetoric coming out this week especially from hillary clinton's campaign just a few moments ago tweeted, to republican voters, tell us why you don't support donald trump. that's a direct message to them that they want to convert some of these people. it's very important to them to make a point that this isn't just about partisan ship. but there's also republicans who have concerns about trump as well. and i think president obama and paul ryan's working relationship is just beginning, but i think they've always had a decent rapport but i think president obama probably saw some hesitancy in paul ryan and hoped a little bit for maybe a bit more of a forceful statement from him. >> abby, i appreciate it. dana bash and thank you for breathing the rain and able to catch all the messages from him inside the briefing room without doing note taking.
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three people, all adults, had been shot. two of them men. one of them a woman. local media reporting that that woman is now dead. and we're also getting reports of a second shooting in a different area where that woman died. so one shooting at the mall where three people were shot. a second incident not far away a short time later where a woman was shot and killed and we're still waiting to find out motive if there's any. what it is and who, of course, it is. it is possible at this point though that we're talking about a person of interest to the police. but still at large. evan perez joining me now live from washington, dc along with senior cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and i'm going to start with you. what else are the police telling us at this early stage? >> ashleigh, this all began about just 90 minutes ago. shortly after 11 at the montgomery mall outside of the
mall in bethesda, maryland. there were three victims, two men. one woman. it appears the woman has now died. at this point, what the police say happened was that a person, a suspect, approached one victim, shot this person, two other people came to that other person's aid and they were also shot. a short time later, about 30 to 40 minutes after that first shooting, there was a second shooting outside of a giant super markt and also in the same area in bethesda, the po toe mac area of maryland. this is not an area that sees this kind of incidents. that's one reason it's very unusual. at this stage, police are not connecting the two incidents but because of the closeness in time and the distance, they are obviously checking all of that. right now, they say that they believe they have an idea of who the suspect might be. a person of interest that they have in mind but they have not
arrested that person. they have not detained that person and i should make note that there's another couple of shootings yesterday nearby in prince georges county there were also unsolved and deemed to be a domestic shooting. we're also checking to see whether or not there's any connection with all of these incidents both yesterday and today, ashleigh. >> so evan, i want to be really clear about that description that you just gave and i don't know if you know the answer to this, but outside of the mall, one person was shot. two people came to the aid of that victim. are they good samaritans? are they friends of that? were they literally trying to help a victim and were shot themselves? >> that's right. that's exactly what the police said at a press conference about 30 minutes ago, ashleigh. according to the police, they said there was no indication that the suspect knew the victims. we don't know whether or not all of the victims, whether the police were talking about all of the victims. this is all preliminary information at this point. they're still rushing to try to figure everything out but at
this point, what the police are saying is that they don't believe that the suspect or have no indication that the suspect knew the victim. he approached one victim, shot the person and two other people came to the aid of that victim and were also shot, ashleigh. >> my god. evan, you mentioned they held this news conference in montgomery police. we didn't want to interrupt but i want to rerack that and play some of that right now. have a look. >> ladies and gentlemen, about 11 a.m. today, responded to the mall with the three victims. all three transported to local area hospitals. at this point, the local location here of montgomery mall, we have two males that have been shot and a female. unfortunately, we're also
looking at another incident that occurred in the aspen hill region which were also responding to an individual who's also been shot there. determined to be female in that particular case and we hope also to put together different information from all things in question. >> can you tell us about the suspect? the suspect, sir. >> we have no one in custody at this point. we are looking at a person of interest. we'll also be working with local area partners as well in hopes of specifically identifying the individual and hopefully capture the individual in the near future. >> did you not know the victims? >> we have no reason to believe at this point the victims knew the suspect. we're certain to look at all angles and certainly ask for the public's help in any way or
shape they'll be able to have information. >> what happened? what's the motive, sir? >> you know what, this is still so fresh that we want to cut off the questions now. but just wanted to brief you and the public but to answer a number of questions that you folks have at this point, we're just not able to confirm all of that information at this time. >> is the public in danger? >> any idea this guy is connected to what happened in high point yesterday? from high school? >> that would be something investigators are looking at. but that's nothing that we can confirm at this point. >> what happened? what's the facts of what happened here? >> well, we just simply know there was confrontation here in the mall parking lot. one individual was shot. two other individuals came to the person's aid potentially and they were also shot. again, we're looking at all information that's been brought to our attention. this is also preliminary so it hasn't been confirmed.
but we are soliciting information on the scene and anyone in the public. >> anyone in the mall in danger? >> we don't have any reason to believe anyone else is in danger in the mall or even outside of the mall at this particular point. >> you said you have a person of interest. are you actually looking for someone right this minute? >> we are working with investigators simply developing different leads and we will obviously look at anything, particularly information that comes out. >> would this be a person that's already wounded? >> we don't know that at this particular point. >> do you have previous connections to him? do you know him? >> the matter is still under investigation. it's still very preliminary. >> thank you all very much. we'll have another briefing in about 30 minutes or so. >> is this person of interest a male or female? >> so yeah. >>