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enough people on the no fly list so when this dies down, you're going to have someone else in this chair complaining about what the federal bureau of investigation is doing. >> thank you for the analysis. i'm sure the fbi appreciates you standing up for what they try to do. >> they do. >> that's it for "the lead." i'm wolf blitzer and turning it over to you in "the situation room." happening now, federal case, prosecutors now planning to present evidence against the orlando gunman's wife before a grand jury. cnn has learned she told investigators she knew he wanted to commit a terror act. will she face charges? last calls. new details of the killer's final conversations. chilling calls to an old friend and a local tv station during his three-hour rampage. what did he say? mosque surveillance.
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donald trump say slamming the response of hillary clinton and president obama to the orlando mas massacre. what is he saying about guns? and filibuster. democrats seized the congress floor. will it move congress to bar people on terror watch lists from buying guns? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're following the breaking news in the orlando terror attacks. cnn has now learned that federal prosecutors planned to present evidence against the gunman's wife to a grand jury. sources say noor salman says she
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knew her husband wanted to commit a terror attack and accompanied him to the gun store and nightclub on what may have been a surveillance mission a few weeks before the attack. donald trump calling for increased surveillance of mosques. but in a surprise move, trump tweeted that he'll sit down with the nra which has endorsed him to discuss barring people on terror watch lists and the no-fly list from legalily purchasing guns. congressman peter king and our correspondents and expert analysts, they are also standing by. first, let's go straight to orlando. our justice correspondent pamela brown is on the scene for us. there are critical new developments in the investigation today. what have you learned? >> reporter: we're just getting new information here, wolf.
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the gunman was a boiling kettle and had been for some time. he expressed his desire to commit an act and in the two weeks prior to the attack, he started upping his intake of jihadist propaganda, that before that he didn't consume that much and then the two weeks before, he took in a lot. it's unclear what put him over the edge to conduct this mass shooting but we're learning more about his wife, including the fact that she did accompany him on at least one occasion to buy ammunition. it's unclear if she knew what her husband was planning to do specifically in terms of shooting up that nightclub and it wasn't unusual for him to buy ammunition and tonight scrutiny remains for the wife of this gunman. cnn has learned that the u.s. attorney plans to provide evidence against the gunman's wife, noor salman, for charges related to the attack. >> did you know your husband was
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a terrorist? >> reporter: law enforcement officials say she told investigators she knew her husband wanted to commit an act of jihad but claims she tried to talk him out of it and didn't know of any specific plot. she also claimed her husband's behavior became increasingly violent and she was afraid of him. cnn has learned she went with him to pulse nightclub and disney in early june. places investigators believe he was casing before launching the attack. >> we will leave no stone unturned. what that means is that at the end of all of our interviews, however long that takes, if someone is able to be charged in this investigation, we will bring them to justice. >> reporter: in the middle of his three-hour rampage, the gunman made several phone calls. law enforcement sources say he called a friend to say good-bye and also called an orlando tv station. >> it's just a regular day. >> reporter: matthew, a producer at news 13 orlando, said he received a call about 45 minutes into the shooting. >> saying, i did it for isis. i did it for the islamic state
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again. and i didn't know what to say to him. i was just blown away. >> never knew we were in there at all. >> reporter: orlando tourists heard the conversations from the nightclub bathroom. he claimed he had accomplices with him. >> he mentioned a female that is playing dead with the other victims on the other side of the club and she's wearing a bomb vest and also that he was wearing a bomb vest and also that it was supposedly three snipers out there and getting ready for the cops when they came. >> reporter: the fbi is working to access data from the killer's phone but it was damaged in the attack. when police entered the wall, water pipes burst flooding the bathroom. the shooter's phone was found submerged in water and covered in blood. investigators have succeeded in retrieving significants of data from service providers, including e-mails. >> suffice it to say, he had probed multiple locations before
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he chose that spot. >> reporter: and despite this gunman expressing outrage at two men kissing in an episode right before the shooting, we have learned that he visited gay chat rooms on his laptop for some time. we know the investigators have been looking at the websites he visited and he was talking to transgender women on there as well as women. he was trying to explore this li lifestyle or looking to do surveillance. it's still unclear to investigators why he was on there. but what is clear, motivations could be coming from several different places for this gunman. wolf? >> pamela, thanks very much. let's get more on the killer's wife, now a central figure in this investigation. our justice correspondent evan perez is working this part of the story. what are you hearing, first of all, about possible charges against this woman? >> wolf, i would be very surprised if she is not charged in this case just from talking to officials.
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they believe there's enough evidence that she knew enough that she should have said something to law enforcement. for instance, they believe that -- according to her interviews that she's given to investigators, when he left the house on saturday, she thought he might be heading to carry out an attack, perhaps even against the pulse nightclub. and she did not tell anyone. she didn't call police, the fbi to report that and so that is enough there for them to bring some charges. now, this is not going to happen very quickly because there's still a lot of evidence to gather. she gave some statements initially which she later contradicted. there's still a lot of evidence to gather and to compare to her accounts and, also, they want to see if there's anybody else in his circle who may have known information about this. >> but it's significant that the federal prosecutor is now taking evidence before a grand jury. >> well, this is a very normal process, especially for a very high-profile case like this. they would go to a grand jury to make sure they cross everything
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to make sure that they know what they are doing before they bring these charges. >> what progress have they made in his where btabouts, the terrorist's whereabouts in the weeks leading up to the assault? >> they have made tremendous progress. they've been able to get some data off the phone. the phone was very damaged and under water, covered in blood when they retrieved it on saturday, wolf. but we do know that they have been able to get some information and be able to get a good picture of where he's been in the past few weeks. >> all right. evan perez, thanks very much. i know you're still working on your sources. if you get more information, let us know. republican congressman peter king of new york is joining us, key member of the house homeland security intelligence committee and he's been well briefed on what's going on. congressman, what should happen to noor salman, this terrorist's wife? >> well, from all of the evidence, just the public
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record, to me, she could certainly be charged with failing to report a terrorist crime. she could be a co-conspirator in each of the 49 murders if she was involved at all with him in purchasing the weapons, if she helped to do a reconnaissance of the club. so -- and again, that's based on just what we know so far. this is going to be looked into a lot more closely as far as phone calls, e-mails, contacts, conversations she may have had and also this could be a way to bring pressure on her in case there's other people that her husband had been dealing with, others in the community that she knows of. i would say it's a combination of an investigation going on here and also a way to bring pressure on here. >> supposedly she's been cooperating and has a lawyer. she's been willing to have interviews. what does that say to you? >> that would indicate that maybe she spoke too soon. i'm glad she didn't get a lawyer but it's lard to say what it
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means. it could be she's trying to make a deal. if the lawyer knows that she's going to be charged with something and he's trying to minimize the charges and the only way to do that is to fill in the gaps, whether anyone was involved or could be involved in the future and if nothing else, providing information. she may be claiming a defense. her defense could be that because he was accused of assault and brutality against his wives, she was in fear and that's why she didn't report it, she had to do it because he made her. these are all possible defenses that she would have. >> you think she'll be charged? >> listen, i don't know what's going to happen with the grand jury. i haven't practiced law in a while and when i did, i would never make a guess of who is going to be indicted or not. i do know that if she can be indicted, they certainly will. they are definitely looking at her. again, does she have a valid defense? how real is the evidence? but based on what's in the
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public record, i would be surprised if she's not. again, no one knows what goes on behind the grand jury doors. >> is there any evidence to suggest that they are interviewing others related to this? >> they will talk to anyone who had any dealings with him over the last several weeks and months. they are going to be going through all of his social media contacts, e-mails, phone calls, mail, anything. anything at all that he can show any contact that he's had with anyone else, anyone they have been in contact with. i would say it's very possible we're at the very early stages of this investigation. now, if it ends with him, fine. again, the fbi has to run this to the ground and with every possible lead. >> what are you hearing about the terrorist phone calls to 911. did he threaten to strap bombs
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to hostages inside the club? >> no. i just heard that secondhand. i can't vouch for that. >> do you have any information that he communicated with terrorists overseas? for example, do you know if he spoke arabic? >> i am not aware. again, i have not been told by any direct contacts that he's had. that may have come out in the last few hours but as far as i know, that was not the case, the last i heard. >> you questioned the fbi investigation itself should have been closed. they investigated him on two occasions. the second time for many, many months. i think ten months. do you think the fbi made a mistake? >> i don't want to be critical of the fbi. i'm saying they may need to have a new profile. because when they closed those investigations, even director
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comey wasn't making sense, on one hand he was taking about isis and then hezbollah and going through temper tantrums and that also he had the acquaintance with the first american suicide bomber but because it didn't add up, that's one of the reasons that the investigation was closed. seemed to be more unbalance than anything else. they are the type of people that isis is appealing to. angry muslims who have jihadist leanings and are unbalanced. this is a new soldier in the isis army. the profile has changed. so very reasons that he was excluded two years ago, why the investigation was terminated to me would be all the more reason today why that type of investigation should be kept open and why not only the fbi itself -- i realize the fbi can be overstretched. they get thousands of complaints. some people complain about their neighbor and call the fbi and say this guy a terrorist and one
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calls in and accuses the others of being a terrorist. you can't keep those investigations open forever. but in cases like this where there is a enough reasonable suspicion that the person at the very least has a mental problem and jihadist leanings, to me that should be a new category to be sure they make very good use of local police. the fbi can't be investigated every case on the ground and monitor surveillance, that is very important. that can be done by the local cops, by the detectives, by their sources, their informers and their undercovers. >> congressman, stand by. we have more questions including what is emerging perhaps as a shift, subtle shift, maybe not so subtle of donald trump's position on guns and the nra. stand by. much more after this. words no one even knows.
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since then. to me, it's commonsense legislation. people have objections when there are names on that list who don't belong there. fine. we can find ways to sanitize that list. also, we have provisions in the bill that anyone who believes they are on the list wrongly, they can get their name taken off. to me, at a time like this to allow someone on the terror watch list just doesn't make sense. if we balance the equities, an inconvenience for those who may end up on the wrong list and save hundreds of lives on the other hand, the evidence is clearly on the side of having anyone who is on the list being unable to purchase a weapon and, anyway, i think what could be the game changer, donald trump does this and talks to the nra, he is right now the leader of the republican party as far as the race for president. donald trump takes the stand and i think it's very significant and i would support him on it
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100%. >> i know you're working with senator dianne feinstein. listen to what he said about republicans today. listen to this. >> the republicans, honestly, folks, our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it alone. but you know what, i think i'm going to be forced to. i think i'm going to be forced to. our leaders have to get a lot tougher. please be quiet. don't talk. to the leaders. because they have to get tougher. they have to get sharper. they have to get smarter. we have to have our republicans either stick together or let me do it by myself. i'll do it very well. >> he basically wants the republican leadership in the house and senate to shut up, right, and let him do what he wants to do and not complain about some of the things he says. what's your reaction to that? >> well, partly i'm not sure what donald trump wants to do. listen, i am endorsing him for president but no one was tougher than george bush when it came to islamic terrorism, donald trump
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has been very critical of him. you can't just say you're going to ban muslims from coming into the country. you have to have nuances to your proposal. i support him when he says we need more surveillance at mosques. we do. the mosque is a gathering place and there have been a number of terrorists over the years who have hatched these plots in the mosques. but to say you're going to keep all muslims out, some of our closest allies come from jordan and egypt. should we have tighter vetting? yes we should. but that -- to say you need to have a blanket ban, that is not right. some areas he's been aggressive in terms of the surveillance of the mosques, i agree with him but you have to have an overall
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comprehensive policy. if he gets advice and he will have more support. listen, i was having my investigations of islamist extremists in this country and failure of some muslim leaders to respond to that, donald trump was one of the few people who defended me on national television. i own that and appreciate that. at the same time, you can't be saying that we're going to ban all muslims and somehow president obama is either allowing this to happen or i can't even get the exact words. >> congressman, very quickly, what i hear you saying is that the thousands of muslims who live in your district in long island, the many mosques out there, you think the mosques should be routinely -- there should be surveillance of these mosques routinely. >> discretion to do that just like in my district when the
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mosque was being investigated, the entire community was investigated carefully. certainly in the irish-american community was investigated heavily. you go to where the crime is coming. you don't go to harlem to find the ku klux klan. >> peter king, congressman, thank you very much. surprising new details about the killer including who he was contacting on gay dating apps. stay with us. the usaa car buying app was really helpful. all the information was laid out right there. it makes your life so much easier when you have to purchase a car, so i've been telling everybody. save on your next car with usaa car buying service, powered by truecar.
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we're following today's breaking news in the investigation of the terror
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attack on that orlando nightclub, including surprising new details about the killer. cnn's brian todd spoke with people who knew him and know about his activities -- knew about his activity on the internet. what are they telling you, brian? >> reporter: wolf, they are telling us about an assertive presence that omar mateen had online. he was constantly making overtures and trying to find out more about their events and the places they gathered. a jarring newpo portrait of a killer active online in the gay and transgender websites. individuals have told investigators mateen seemed more curious than anything about their lifestyle. investigators don't know if he visited the chat rooms for personal reasons or possibly for surveillance for an attack. >> you can message anyone and mateen approached this man
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several times about a year ago on the gay dating app grinder. >> reporter: what were his messages to you and i wouldn't respond and delete the message. he says he eventually blocked his advances on grinder and says he also saw mateen at the pulse nightclub at least once before the massacre. >> he seemed like a loner. >> reporter: do you believe mateen had a physical relationship with another guy? >> i mean, i don't think he had a relationship but i think that he continually tried to hook up with men. he was openly gay on the dating apps. he would tell people that he was married. >> reporter: michael bass, owner of a nightclub called revere,
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says that mateen tried to friend him on the app. >> i post all of our venues, what is coming up on friday. i believe he was either learning more about us, trying to be what i call the befriend and then betray, is what he was trying to do. >> reporter: he closed down his nightclub permanently just days before the shootings for financial reasons. the fbi was asked if omar mateen's only target. >> through the review that we've done of the evidence thus far, this was the intended point of attack for that evening. >> reporter: agent robert hopper has no information about him patronizing any other clubs other than pulse. gay nightclubs have been given a heightened sense of awareness but there's no threat of an imminent attack.
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wolf? >> brian todd reporting, thank you. joining us now, tom fuentes. our cnn national security analyst peter bergen and his latest book, "the united states of jihad" thanks for joining us. tom, the wife, noor salman, is being questioned right now and the evidence going before a grand jury. do you believe she will be charged? >> i think she's a very important resource as long as she keeps talking. if they charge her, she'll probably stop almost immediately. but it will be very easy to bring an indictment against her. conviction is another matter and if all they have is information that was given by her and no one else, if they can't corroborate someone else saying that she was involved with him, saying that she was assisting him, they are going to have a hard time getting a conviction.
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>> she said she knew in general that he wanted to commit jihad but she didn't know specifically about the plot at the pulse nightclub. could she still be charged? >> she could still be charged but conviction is another matter and the other aspect she has going for her and the testimony of the first wife to assist her is that he beat her and she was scared to death of him. so she would know, if she calls the fbi or the police and he wasn't going to do an attack that night, she's going to take a beating when he gets home. so that would be a pretty adequate for her, i think, unless they have more to this. >> other corroborating evidence, if you will. >> right. >> his personal phone, the terrorist's phone, was damaged severely during those three hours but they are looking to get all of that metadata in other ways. first of all, how important is that? >> it could be incredibly important. most of what is on your phone, if you use the backup feature, can be obtained in other ways,
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e-mails, calendar events, phone records you can get from the phone company. if he turned that feature off, like we saw in san bernardino, if he had the wherewithal to do that, then that information becomes much more valuable because they can't get it anywhere else other than that phone. >> and there could be useful information. i'm sure the technical experts are working on that. peter, some authorities say that he was believed to be speaking arabic. his parents were born in the united states and physical in fact he had learned arabic, fluent in arabic, does that say anything to you about potential motivation? >> i mean, it's hard to judge what his level of fluency is because we just don't know. the fact is that, any muslim has a few words of arabic because the koran is in arabic and the service -- some of the discussions of the mosque can be in arabic. so it wouldn't be surprising that he had some arabic. but was he fluent in arabic, who
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knows. >> we know he went to saudi arabia twice and the united arab emirates, relatively brief visits with the islamic pilgrimage. >> there are 2 or 3 million that go for that. this is routine for people who can afford to do this. you're supposed to go once in your lifetime. it's one of the five pillars of islam. >> how significant potentially could his involvement with the gay dating apps be? >> it's not huge. i think it can help determine motive or if somebody who was confused about his sexual identity or using those apps to pick his targets or have more nefarious purpose in meeting any of these individuals. he may have had a less aggressive plan. you just don't know. they are going to have to reconstruct all of it, his personal life. as i said, was this more than just him trying to understand
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the venues, where he might be able to plan attacks, how he might lure somebody in to where he could kill them and still claim victory or was this truly a gentleman who was, again, confused about his sexual identity, trying to explore that side of him and going through a radicalization process. all of that would be -- >> they can figure that out, right? >> yeah. we had this case about a year and a half ago where the guy was using christian mingle and ended up murdering about 14 or 15 women using that app. you do have misuse of these apps where people, you know, serial killers and rapists are roaming on the internet looking for people and take advantage of some of these apps. >> a lot of second guessing, tom. why the local police waited three hours to finally go in there and storm that nightclub and kill this terrorist. a lot of second guessing. they should have gone in much more quickly. what are your thoughts? >> i'd like -- having been a co-commander, i'd like to know more about what the police chief knew at the time and what went
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into that decision. the modern theory, like a columbine-type school shooting, get the first couple police officers to go in and neutralize but it's one thing when you have a large building and well-lit and you can see what you're up against. it's different when innocent people are being hidden in a number of bathrooms and tables and behind counters and the bar. that's a different tactical situation and i think the police chief had, in his mind, an excellent reason for getting as much information as possible. >> you're a former fbi agent. do you agree? >> absolutely. there was information that he falsely put out that there were explosives in there, hostages wired for explosives. that is a completely different scenario and he said he had accomplices with him. you go into a building where you have accomplices mixed with innocent people, something bad can happen. i think they were prudent in waiting that amount of time. >> he was removed from the terror watch list back in 2014
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after a lengthy fbi investigation. do you think it's time for some sort of a secondary watch list, people who have been investigated for terror just to be on the safe side? >> well, i think at the end of the day that's something for congress to kind of desize because he's out of form with keeping an investigation open forever. we're in a country where, when the case is closed, usually the sk case it closed. >> you have that terror list that has more than a million names on it and most of the criticism is too many people on the list, not too few. >> guys, stand by. there's more information coming in as well. also coming up, the political fallout from the attack. donald trump is renewing his call for surveillance of mosques here in the united states. we're also following another big story breaking in the orlando area, searchers have now found the body of a little
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we're following breaking news in the orlando massacre and breaking political fuse this afternoon. donald trump renewed his call for surveillance of mosques throughout the united states. let's bring in our political reporter sara murray who is working the story. what else is trump saying and how is hillary clinton reacting? >> wolf, hillary clinton really
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went off again on donald trump today attacking not only his temperament but his grasp of the issues and suggesting that he doesn't have solutions to any of these problems that would prevent future attacks. as for trump, he's doubling down on a suggestion he made in the primaries and one that i think many in the republican party hoped he would abandon saying maybe it's time to increase surveillance on mossiques. >> we aren't vigilant and we aren't smart and we have to go and we have to maybe go and check respectfully the mosques and we have to check other places because this is a problem that if we don't solve it, it's going to eat our country alive. >> reporter: as he continues to slam president obama's response to the orlando massacre. >> he gives a speech yesterday, a long speech that at the end of it nobody knew what the hell he was talking about. >> reporter: and trump is still floating the idea that the president is sympathetic to
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extremists claiming the obama administrati administration once supported isis. trump taking aim at hillary clinton as well. >> she's an amateur. she's been doing it forever and still doesn't get it. >> reporter: saying his proposals would do nothing to prevent future attacks. >> a ban on muslims would not have stopped this attack. neither would a wall. i don't know how one builds a wall to keep the internet out. >> reporter: but in a new twist today, trump appears open to new gun control measures tweeting "i will be meeting with the nra, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list or no fly list not to be able to purchase guns. trump's latest information comes as many republicans have
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distanced themselves from the presumptive nominee while he struggles to find his political footing in the aftermath of orlando. >> we have to have our republicans either stick together or let me do it by myself, i'll do it very well. >> reporter: today, he appears to suggest yet again that the tragedy will only send his poll numbers climbing. >> take a look at the poll numbers from right after this horrendous and horrible and something that we have to stop fast attack. take a look over the last couple of days. people are tired. >> reporter: two new polls show trump in serious trouble. a staggering 77% of americans view trump unfavorably in a newa new washington post poll compared to 55% for clinton. 55% said they would never vote for trump and 43% said the same thing about clinton. >> there was a brief moment of
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harmony and republicans were coalescing behind their presumptive nominee. it doesn't look like that anymore since donald trump has renewed his calls and we're hearing more and more from republicans who don't have a lot of other options other than to disagree publicly with their nominee and wait to see what happens in november. >> thank you very much for that report. anger over the orlando mass shooting bringing the u.s. senate to a standstill. democrats are filibustering and promising to hold the floor until they have several gun control measures. they are working feverishly to try to work a compromise. it's being led by chris murphy who once represented the district that included the sandy hook elementary school, the site of another mass shooting. >> i'll remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign that we can come together
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on these two measures, that we can get a path forward on addressing this epidemic in a meaningful, bipartisan way. >> just now, democratic senator dianne feinstein of california said she has sent a copy of a bill to the nra and is waiting for reaction. coming up, new details on another story breaking this afternoon. searchers found the body of a 2-year-old dragged off by an alligator near a disney world resort hotel.
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breaking news, just awhile
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ago searchers announced they have found the body of a two-year-old boy dragged away by an alligator near a walt disney resort hotel. tell us more about the attack and what the police just reported. >> reporter: wolf, the whole thing happened about 9:00 p.m. last night. a family on the man-made beach on the huge lagoon of walt disney resort, seemingly relaxing, the child wading in the water, no more than a foot in and the alligator snatched him. the family sprang into action, couldn't get him in time. that was last night. 16, 17 hours officials were still looking for him, trappers, sonar to find the two-year-old toddler, but not having much success. in the afternoon told us it had become a search and recovery effort instead of search and rescue, they were simply trying
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to recover the body of the young child. about 3:30, they found the body of the young boy, 10 to 15 yards away from where the family was on the shore, in about six feet of water, discovered using sonar, again confirming the absolute saddest news we were all dreading we would hear all day. here is how sheriff jerry demings delivered the news. >> i delivered the news with a priest, a catholic priest. of course the family was distraught but also somewhat relieved that we were able to find their son, with his body intact, one, and two, that he was located so they can come to grips with what has happened. >> reporter: small consolation in what is otherwise a horrific,
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horrific story. two other notes from the press briefing from officials, first, they say they're going to keep working to find the alligator that attacked the toddler. they pulled five of them from the lagoon, still examining them to see if there's any evidence that links them to the attack. they won't stop until they find that alligator. the other interesting thing, they say they're going to continue working with disney to make sure something like this doesn't happen again. quote, we would not discount anything as a possible measure to prevent something so rare like this to happen again in what is supposed to be the happiest place on earth, wolf. >> hearts go out to the graves family, loss of their little boy, lane. thanks very much for that, boris sanchez. coming up, getting new details about investigation into the orlando terror attack. will the killer's wife now face charges? it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it.
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happening now. breaking news. charges sought. federal authorities are taking the next step in their investigation of the orlando attacker's wife by taking evidence to a grand jury. what specific charges could she face? kill he's final calls. the orlando gunman's surprising phone conversations in the midst of the massacre. why did he contact a friend and tv producer? we're going to tell you what we're learning this hour. going rogue. telling leaders of his party to quiet criticism or he will wage his general election campaign without them.
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terror in 2016. hillary clinton trading new barbs with trump over clashing policies. will the battle over national security determine who wins the white house? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news tonight, the wife of the orlando terrorist may be on the brink of facing charges in connection with her husband's act of mass murder. law enforcement officials telling cnn that the u.s. attorney plans to present the evidence against her to a grand jury. noor said she was with her husband one trip at least to buy ammunition. and this hour, investigators interviewed a friend filmed by omar mateen, we are told the call to say good-bye.
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the gunman called a local tv station and declared he carried out the attack for isis. and investigation continues at the pulse nightclub and other locations. authorities are having trouble accessing data from his phone because it was damaged by water and blood at the scene of the massacre. also, new move by donald trump in the aftermath of orlando. set to meet with the national rifle association to discuss barring people on the terror watch list and no fly list from legally buying guns in the united states. our correspondents and guests will have full coverage of all of the news breaking now. up first, let's go to jim sciutto on the scene in orlando for us. jim, what more are you learning about the investigation? >> reporter: wolf, tonight we learned that the u.s. attorney in charge of the case will present evidence before the grand jury to consider charges against noor salman, wife of the
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shooter, omar mateen. new evidence they're considering, in addition to accompanying him on trips to pulse nightclub or other targets, went on at least one trip with him to buy ammunition. no decision yet on charges, many questions to be answered. cnn learned the u.s. attorney plans to bring evidence before a grand jury to determine if charges are warranted against omar mateen's wife, noor salman. investigators are collecting evidence and completing a time line for activities leading up to the attack. barricaded in the pulse nightclub that night, omar mateen paused his deadly shooting rampage to make several phone calls, one according to authorities to say good-bye to a friend, another to a local television news station. cnn affiliate news13 orlando. >> he sounded very calm and collected. very calm and collected, not irated, not sounding like a nut
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job, not sounding like he lost it. >> reporter: shooting survivor orlando torrez who hid in a bathroom stall during the attack heard the gunman's conversations. mateen, he says, demanded that the u.s. stop bombing isis in syria and ominously claimed there were other attackers both inside and outside the club that night. >> said i am here at the club, it should be all over the news media, he is there with three others, he is the fourth gunman, someone, mentioned a name or female addressing in a sense playing dead with the other victims on the other side of the club and she's wearing a bomb vest and also that he was wearing a bomb vest and there was supposedly three sniders ready for the cops if they came. >> reporter: and he was on the other end of the line for one of the shooter's calls. he says that chilling phone call
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came 45 minutes into the shooting. >> he started saying i did it for isis, i did it for the islamic state again, and i didn't know what to say to him. i was just blown away. i asked him who is this? where are you? and he told me that's none of my fing business. >> reporter: they recovered the phone used to make the calls but found submerged in water and blood at the scene, damage to the device is slowing recovery of data. >> fbi is reconstructing the subject's movements going back months, days, hours, minutes before the fatal act at the pulse nightclub. that's something we are looking at. not anything i can share with you at this time. >> reporter: wolf, tonight we learned further new details about the shooter's activities in the weeks and months leading up to this attack. that he used a gay dating app,
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befriended several transgender women on the app, became friends with them, contacted them. the fbi investigators talking to them now about the nature of those relationships. this is part of this increasingly broad profiled area, able to create for him frankly a confusing one at time, but they still have many questions to answer, wolf, in terms of his activities and the wife's activities in advance. >> lots of questions remaining out there. jim sciutto thanks very much. we have more on the killer's wife and what she knew about his plans. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin is joining us. what are you picking up from sources? >> reporter: we are digging into details of the time line that could include her, wolf, and digging deep into her background which could add to the body of evidence building apparently against her, and also uncovering the training aspect of the gunman and details why he was so proficient carrying out this massacre. whatever she did or did not know
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about her husband's whereabouts on the night of the attack, fort peers police say noor salman was home early sunday when they knocked on her door. >> we met with the wife, kept the residence secure until the fbi was able to come in. >> do you feel when you met with the wife she had any idea before you arrived? >> that's the part of the investigative part, we can't discuss that issue. >> reporter: it is nearly two hours from this condominium to the nightclub in orlando, with two child car seats in the back remains where it was the morning of the attack, sealed off in the condominium parking lot. we are learning much more about her. investigative sources say she told the fbi she knew her husband was talking about carrying out a jihadist attack but denies she knew he would strike in orlando. she's the daughter of palestinian immigrants, she like
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her husband has been married once before, marriage to a chicago man dissolved after four years. the orlando shooter had only been divorced two months when they got married. she attended high school in northern california, was on the volleyball team, though graduating from college and listed as an engineer, she appears to have worked in small jobs, kmart, daycare center. the fbi has been to her home in california where her mother lives. a friend came today to offer support. >> they're charming, they're sweet, they're amazing. >> reporter: new documents obtained by cnn show the gunman applied for a security guard license in september of 2007. that is just a few months after he was kicked out of a law enforcement academy according to sources, and around the same time he was fired by florida department of corrections. twice since then came under scrutiny for radical islamic
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outbursts. both time the fbi investigated and said they found nothing. once got a near perfect score on an annual shooting test for his firearms license. though he performed well on that test, over the years his final examine september of 2015 was his worst. is a deek mateen believes his son was perverted by online isis propaganda, and that neither he nor anyone else in the family had any reason to believe he had interest in isis or the father's home country of afghanistan. >> did you talk about afghanistan with your son? >> he is born here. he's gone to school, gone to college. he worked here. he never been back in afghanistan. he had no interest. >> reporter: wolf, if we believe the family in the same position as the fbi investigators, the motive, they don't know what it is, the father saying he had no interest in politics and demanding he had no idea his son
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was gay. >> drew griffin from port st. lucie in florida, thanks very much. joining us, congressman patrick murphy of florida, democrat on the intelligence committee, happens to represent the district where the killer lived with his wife. thank you for coming in. what do you expect will happen to the wife? >> this investigation will continue to play out every day, and the house intelligence committee we sit we are learning more about this. we are learning more that the face of terror is changing in this country. after 9/11 we learned that we can do a better job getting information from the federal government down to the state and local governments, but in the lone wolf situations it is more important than ever that we go from the bottom up, ears on the ground, local sheriffs, local deputies on the ground working from local, state to federal. as we are learning information, it turns out i believe there's stuff out there that local law enforcement might have had that if combined with what the
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federal government had and the fbi during the investigations, we might have had a different outcome. >> left hand wasn't talking to the right hand, is that what you're saying? >> the investigation is going to let us know what happens and i don't want to point a finger yet but it is more important than ever that law enforcement work together. that's what we are learning. >> i assumed after 9/11 we got to that point where there was greater cooperation between various law enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies. you're saying there seems to have been a problem here. >> it appears with what we are learning back home with some of the information starting to come out that all of the pieces weren't connected in this situation. it is easy to play monday morning quarterback and hindsight is 20/20. there seems to have been enough information that he should have been monitored, should have kept an eye on him closer. in the era of lone wolf attacks, it is important that lawmakers start addressing these problems and coordinate and make sure law enforcement has resources to do
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that. and realizing that this isn't just terrorism, this is a combination of mental health, hate crime, gun violence. >> was he more motivated by jihad or hatred of gays? >> that's what the investigation will play. >> what do you think based on what you know. >> i didn't see any conclusive based on what the wife is saying, the dad, acquisition of his cell phone, going through his records, we will see a lot in the coming days, websites he may have been on recently, phone calls he was making and the investigation will determine how often he was visiting clubs or other locations. >> are they able to retrieve information from the cell phone? we were told it was underwater and full of blood, they were having problems with it. have they managed to get information? >> i can't speak to that yet. that will come out as they continue to investigate and as we learn more about it. >> as far as if she knew in fact that he wanted to commit jihad but wasn't familiar he was going
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to do it that night, is that enough to charge her? >> that will be up to law enforcement and others to determine. it sure seems she had enough information at this point she should have flagged, should have said something, and seems like an accomplice to me. >> you see something, say something. and evidence presumably right now as we speak being presented to a grand jury in florida by the federal prosecutor. we will see where that leads. >> as it should. this is reminder to everybody watching, in this era of lone wolf attacks, every citizen has to look at co-workers, family members, anybody, if things don't smell right, if there are enough red flags, speak up to law enforcement right now. >> anyone else being questioned as the wife is being questioned? >> there's a full investigation going on. i don't want to speak to that yet. >> without giving us details, bottom line question, in addition to the wife did anyone else know that this individual
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wanted to commit jihad? >> based on what we have seen, seems like this is a lone wolf attack, an individual that was radicalized probably online by isis and others and phone calls he made as we have seen to 911 and others. >> are they going to release those calls from the nightclub? >> some point, but i haven't heard one way on the other. >> have you heard anything about those? >> high level information, nothing more than you have. >> stand by. there's more information coming in. we will take a break and resume questioning after this. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider,♪ ♪yeaaahh... ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me nooo♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight riiiiiiiideer!♪
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orlando attacker to a grand jury to consider charges against her. law enforcement officials say she went with him on at least one trip to buy ammunition. we are back with the congressman who represents the district where the killer and his wife lived, democratic congressman patrick murphy of florida, a member of the intelligence committee. is there any sense you're getting that this killer, this terrorist communicated with terror organizations directly overseas? >> the investigation is going to have to play out until we see that information, i think it is clear he was radicalized, via cyber, and that's an area the federal government can start using some more offensive capabilities. >> how does the u.s. government do that. anybody can go to the internet and watch what they want. >> they can, that's the point. we can use and turn what's one of these organizations, especially isis, one of their biggest assets into one of their biggest liabilities, using our technology, our resources to crackdown, see who is doing the
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recruiting. >> you're on the intelligence committee. has the u.s. government built an effective counter narrative to the young men, mostly young men and some women who are influenced by and war al awlaki and the terrorists. >> they're trying to. that's one of the pieces of the fight, it is not just boots on the ground, not just what we see on tv. there's multiple types of war fought here, whether social, economic, religious, many fronts that have to be fought. a piece of that is propaganda, giving alternative narrative to folks that don't see any other opportunity in their life, we have to counter that. we can do more. >> this guy was a security guard, was on the payroll, had opportunities. >> this is a situation the monitoring needs to i believe continue. when we can really use our full offensive capabilities and see
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who is being radicalized, see who is visiting websites, who they're in touch with, while maintaining that balance of privacy in our country we can and need to step up our game to do that. >> was he taken off appropriately off the terror watch list in 2014? >> that's exactly what you heard director comey talk about, we need full investigation of our self, of the fbi to see why that happened. looks like they followed procedures by the book, but the question is was the fbi in touch enough with state and local law enforcement agencies, ears on the ground, folks that are there listening, was the full picture painted here. >> was the wife, noor salman, was she similarly radicalized online as her husband was? >> i haven't seen evidence either way to indicate. i don't know that. >> you don't know if she was inspired by isis or anything along those lines. >> no. >> what's happened in orlando
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the last few days, a young singer from "the voice" was killed in orlando, 49 killed at the nightclub, now the two-year-old at the resort. you are running, what do you say to people in the area whose hearts are broken. >> my thoughts and prayers go out to the entire community, the entire state and our country, we are all mourning here. i believe people want action, they're tired of the name calling. we have to do something about this horrific act of terrorism here. this has been a tough few days for the orlando community and we will continue to build a stronger community. orlando is a strong community. we will unite and come out stronger. >> one final political question, congressman, before i let you go. indications from senator marco rubio he is reconsidering earlier statements he would not seek re-election, now he wants
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to meet with his family in the coming days and maybe come to a different conclusion. what's your reaction? >> i announced against senator rubio a year and a half ago when he was in the race, this isn't about senator rubio, this is about the people of florida making sure they have someone to fight for them. that's not going to miss historic votes in committees, open the terror loophole that i believe is largely responsible for what happened, somebody that won't block immigration and continue to change his mind. floridians are interested in the race and senator that will fight for them, do things like protecting, rebuilding the middle class, addressing climate change, social security and medicaid. >> sounds like if he considers and decides to reconsider, you're ready to battle. >> you bet. >> thanks for coming in. patrick murphy of florida. more breaking news out of orlando in the terror investigation after this.
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tonight we are learning why the u.s. attorney is going before a grand jury in florida to present evidence against the wife of the orlando attacker. multiple law enforcement officials say noor salman told investigators she was with her husband for at least one trip to buy ammunition. get another update from jim
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sciutto on the ground in orlando. so many questions about the wife's role. what's the latest you're hearing? >> reporter: and what is key is what you mentioned there, wolf, increasing list of knowledge, facts she knew before the attacks were carried out. we knew already that she knew, that he talked about carrying out a jihadist attack. we knew she traveled to several sites, including pulse nightclub, with him. in addition, she told investigators she went on at least one trip to a store to buy ammunition, whether that's the ammunition used in the attack we don't know. that collection of evidence is leading the u.s. attorney to go before a grand jury to see if there's enough evidence to bring charges against her. they don't have that decision, no conclusion yet. at least he decided there's enough to go to the grand jury. >> you spoke to a survivor. what did he tell you the shoot
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are was saying during phone calls, he made several phone calls during that three hour assault inside the nightclub. >> reporter: that's right. we now know in addition to the call to 911 the night of the attack, claiming the attack for isis, he also called a local television station, claiming the same, making sure the television station was covering this and called a friend to say good-bye. we spoke to orlando torrez, a survivor, he was in one of the bathrooms, as the shooter was making the calls, she said that he also said, the survivor orlando said there were other attackers involved, he claimed there were snipers outside the club, that there was a suicide bomber inside the club hiding under the bodies, in effect to convey to authorities and others there that if they moved, they might face greater risk. he was making those claims, trying to keep fear going over the course of three horrible hours of this attack. >> jim sciutto in orlando.
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thank you. let's bring in our justice correspondent, evan perez, tom fuentes. and dr. lisa vansusteren. thanks very much. what else are you hearing, evan, about the wife's involvement. do you anticipate charges will be filed against her? >> wolf, there's no doubt she will be charged, depends what it is. i think there's a lot of legal hurdles they're trying to get to before they charge her. i tell you this. she made conflicting statements. first told them she had no idea he was going to do this, that she didn't know about his casing of the places, but in subsequent interviews did say she knew that there was a deterioration of his behavior, more violent turn he was taking, even on the day, saturday, before he left the house, said she had an inkling
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he might carry out an attack shs perhaps even on the pulse nightclub. she tried to confront him, tell him not to do it. he left, lied to her, according to her lied about where he was going, why he was leaving that night. she said she had an inkling he was going to do something bad. >> we don't know if she's telling the truth or not. >> she didn't call the police, that's perhaps where you get a charge, knowing about a possible felony and -- >> anything else about the wife being investigated? >> looking at a wider circle of friends and associates. >> this is three, four days into the operation, it seems late to start to make appeals. >> those appeals are made day of by the police and bureau. >> today they made a big deal, please call if you know anything. hadn't heard that from the fbi
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spokesman. they weren't having a lot of news conferences. >> the coverage going on, they felt everybody out there that could provide information has been notified to do it. it is in the media. >> san bernardino, you remember this well, there were news conferences every few hours, please help us. >> the people in san bernardino were a bigger mystery. they left very little electronic footprint. i think what's happening in this case is a lot of people are coming forward to the media saying about interactions so the bureau is saying come to us, don't go to the media first, come to us. >> they should have said this immediately hour and hour, get people and eyewitness accounts. looking back as someone that covered these kind of stories for years. phil, you heard the congressman pat murphy say it may have been a case where federal authorities weren't sharing information with local authorities or vice versa, the left hand didn't talk to the
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right hand. with hindsight, they could have done a better job sharing information. when you heard that, what was your reaction? >> wolf, i can't figure out what the heck he is talking about. 25 years of looking at this stuff, look at the facts you share in a meeting between federal, state, local officials. somebody complained, made bigoted comments to friends, in this case to co-workers, somebody bought a weapon, appeared to have anger about various communities, black people, muslims, gay people, the fbi investigates over the course of a couple years, conducts conversations and says there's not more here to find. what are you supposed to share? what are the facts that the federal government had more to give to state and local. if we talk about the phrase of connecting the dots, here's the question i have for the congressman, what dots are you talking about. i don't see any. >> i pressed him, didn't want to share that information. said it would come out. one of the survivors told us
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that the shooter during the conversations with people he was holding said are there any black people in this bathroom because i don't have a problem with black people, they have suffered enough. so many of the 49 people that were killed, so many of the 53 injured were african-american. >> it makes no sense. but none of this makes any sense. why would anyone do something like this. to hold him to some consistency standard would be illusory. the main thing is to look at this, realize what he wanted was power over people. the other thing about suicide vests is to say he is so powerfully connected to this fear some group. this is all about feeling insignificant. >> the decision to do a mass murder at the gay nightclub, what does that say to you? >> lots of speculation.
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for one thing could be that he and this often happens, reaction formation, when people have a forbidden impulse inside, they don't want to know they have it, they have an exaggerated response on the outside that negates how they feel inside. is he saying i hate these people because he has forbidden impulse, trying to get rid of the sin of being gay in his culture, his family, who knows. lots of things to speculate there, but not to forget -- >> there were locations where there were more people than the pulse nightclub, 350 people at the nightclub, he did a lot of destruction and it was a massacre but also cased presumably disneyworld down there as well where there are a lot more people. >> there's a simple explanation for that, wolf, soft targets versus hard targets. when we weren't as hardened as
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we are today in 2001, al qaeda had access to hard targets, airplanes. you go to someone relatively untrained, we don't have evidence not only not directed or owned by any terror groups, look at the world. he goes to disneyworld, high security, excellent not only perimeter but you have to go through a focal point, in his case with a couple of weapons, he has to say compared to pulse nightclub, prospects of success against disney are low. in some sense, disney is a hard target, pulse is a soft target, he had only one choice. >> stand by. we will get more on the breaking news. will donald trump compromise to keep guns out of the hands of terror suspects? stand by for new information. mey to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... are you completely prepared for retirement? okay, mostly prepared?
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last four, five days are that donald trump would ease off some rhetoric, disappearing, whether the ban on muslim immigration, the mosques, or the nra. donald trump splitting in so many ways with the republican party. >> it is going to happen again and again and again because we're not doing what we have to be doing. >> reporter: donald trump raising serious concerns on the campaign trail today in the wake of the devastating attack at an orlando gay club. >> we have to maybe check respectfully the mosques, and check other places because this is a problem that if we don't solve it, it is going to eat our country alive. >> reporter: attacking hillary clinton and again swinging back at president obama's broadside of his foreign policy. >> he gives a speech yesterday, a long speech that at the end of it nobody knew what the hell he was talking about. >> reporter: after this retort tuesday night. >> and i watched president obama today and he was more angry at
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me than he was at the shooter. >> reporter: and he isn't backing down on an earlier insinuation that the obama administration was aligned with isis. >> he doesn't get it or he gets it better than anybody understands. it is one or the other and either one is unacceptable. >> now a full blown accusation, tweeting despite media criticism, criticism that extended to top leaders of his own party, trump, quote, is right, using as evidence a story purporting to show a memo showing the obama administration support for isis, something the memo does not in fact show. trump is also calling for a meeting with the nra to discuss barring individuals on the terror watch list from gun purchases. the nra says it would welcome the meeting but the group says its position on the issue hasn't changed and continues to support republican legislation that would expand the ability of law enforcement to block such sales.
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this as many gop leaders in recent days have taken pains to distance themselves from the presumptive gop nominee. trump faces bigger problems. the u.s. voters. a new abc "the washington post" survey shows trump with 70% unfavorable mark, while bloomberg shows 55% of reresponsible danlts wouldn't support him. trump is trailing 12 points. hammered trump today during a national security event in virginia. >> not one of donald trump's reckless ideas would have saved a single life in orlando. it is more evidence that he is unfit and unqualified to be commander in chief. >> reporter: wolf, attacks from hillary clinton are only expected to escalate in days and weeks ahead and they're going to be amplified by surrogates, by
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the president of the united states, amplified probably by her own husband. the question is who will help donald trump amplify his message. we have seen republican leaders walk away from him this week, larry hogan, popular maryland governor, blue state republican telling "the washington post" he will not vote for donald trump, and the republican party has a 32% favor rablt rating, as they watch and listen to everything donald trump is saying and very wary about what they're hearing. >> phil mattingly in atlanta, thanks very much. let's bring in jeff zeleny, gloria borger, political director david chalian and mark preston. gloria, let me play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about his fellow republicans with a warning. >> you know, the republicans honestly, folks, our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it
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alone. but you know what, i think i'm going to be forced to. i think i'm going to be forced to. our leaders have to get a lot tougher. and be quiet, please be quiet, don't talk, please, be quiet. please be quiet to the leaders because they have to get tougher, sharper, smarter. we have to have republicans either stick together or let me do it by myself. i'll do very well. >> very unusual, says be quiet, don't talk. >> i think it is a game of we quit you're fired. and donald trump was firing the republican leadership for opening their mouths and disagreeing with him, and this is something i've never seen. i don't know if you folks have. i have never seen republican party leadership being more distant or distancing themselves than they are from donald trump. i have to tell you, wolf, today i talked to a couple of sources
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who aren't anti-trump people but say governor scott walker of wisconsin privately told people he is intrigued of the notion of throwing his hat in the ring if the convention were to be open. let me say this. his office completely denied it, issued flat out denial to this. gives you some indication of the fact people are looking for a white knight. >> you have to remember what we saw through the entire republican nomination process in exit polls. we asked whether or not republican voters felt betrayed by their party's leaders. overwhelmingly they did in state after state after state. for donald trump to get up there and say hey, republican party leadership is not so strong and they should be quiet, that's going to be a welcome line to a lot of republican primary voters and donald trump's core
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supporters. but we are no longer in the primary phase, we are in the general election phase. what phil pointed out in the report couples with this in as astonishing as hearing somebody say please be quiet, let me do it on my own, there's nobody behind him ever. there's no cavalry. yesterday the president of the united states, democratic nominee for president pommelling him, and he on his own is standing there. normally in every other presidential election we covered the infrastructure of the party, of the state parties, state campaign operations and outside groups would be singing from the same song sheet in response to that, but he stands alone. >> his unfavorable number is, 70% according to the latest "the washington post," abc news poll, 70% unfavorable attitude toward him. in bloomberg, he was losing nationally to hillary clinton by 12 points.
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some republicans are saying if they see a disaster unfolding, maybe that rules committee, can, in fact, come up with some new rules to prevent him from getting the nomination s. that wishful thinking, or is it all realistic? >> no, it's unrealistic that would happen. that's not to say scott walker might throw his name out there to try to gel some support. but listen, scott walker was one of the first and certainly one of the first out of this presidential race. >> they think -- some people think that's good. >> no doubt about this. here's the issue now. this is the biggest problem that republicans thought they would run into if donald trump won the nomination. he has now gone entirely rogue, trying to disassociate himself with the party right now. forget about what happens in the white house right now. you have senators and congressman looking up saying, my god, am i going to get pulled down if donald trump gets nominated in november. >> some saying four years is not
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that long. if hillary clinton wins, as long as we hold the senate and the house. so that is what you're going see going forward. a focus to build a firewall around the senate. which, of course, is difficult when your nominee is out there in front like this. >> it's each man for himself. strategists saying look, i'm advising my clients, you can do whatever you want to donald trump, distance yourself as much as you want from donald trump. just don't cross the rubicon of hillary clinton. and susan collins says, maybe she will. but they're just -- they're distancing themselves because they have to in order to survive. and donald trump is playing his own game here. >> fascinating political stuff going on. >> yeah. >> guys, stand by. coming up, we'll have another live update on the orlando terror investigation as the federal authorities take a big step towards seeking charges against the killer's wife. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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tonight as the presidential candidates spar after the terror in orlando, new polling suggests hillary clinton has more work to do to convince voters she would keep them safe. a new bloomberg survey asks americans which candidate that had more confidence in if a similar attack happened a year from now. donald trump comes out slightly ahead of clinton, 45% to 41%. our chief political correspondent, dana bash, has more now on the politics of terror in 2016.
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democrats going full throttle on national security. >> sloppiness on who exactly we're fighting. >> and its knew presidential terrain for a party seems comfortable on domestic turf. >> of in 2004, the first presidential election george w. bush and allies paymentsed john kerry as weak on national security. >> he lacks the capacity to lead. >> it likely sealed kerry's defeat. now democrats are applauding the 2016 presidential race to mirror their 2006 takeover of congress. >> people were so concerned with president bush and policies they viewed as reckless and not particularly thoughtful they opened the door to democrats on national security and that's happening now. people view donald trump as reckless, antagonistic and uninformed. and they are opening the door to
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democrats. >> reporter: congressman steve israel, in charge of message strategy for house democrats, delivered a behind-closed-doors briefing this week on why national security should be democrats' 2016 calling card. >> there is a vivid contrast between hillary clinton, who is strong and smart on keeping us safe and donald trump, who is reckless. >> reporter: national security was the subject of clinton's first major speech of the general election, before the orlando massacre. >> a trump presidency would embolden isis. we cannot take that risk. this isn't reality television. this is actual reality. >> reporter: but new polling from bloomberg suggests that is hardly a slam dunk message. trump is five points ahead of clinton the question of who is best to handle terror threats at home and abroad. >> hillary is a rank amateur. she has been doing it forever and she still doesn't get it. >> reporter: trunk is banking on building support with his tough
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talk and contrast with clinton's more cautious approach. >> we have seen that political correctness is deadly. they don't want to talk about the problem. >> reporter: and even republicans not thrilled with trump say not so fast. especially since clinton is so tied to president obama. >> what democrats i talk to argue is, they argue that when it comes to experience and judgment, hillary clinton is a better candidate than donald trump. and your response is? >> well, i think clearly, on experience. that is -- it would be hard to argue she didn't have the experience. having said that, just because you have experience doesn't mean you're right. the experience has led us down a very awful path, i think. >> reporter: the fight over national security is likely to play out just like other issues. a stark choice between the different but unknown versus the experienced but with a record. dana bash, cnn, washington. and that filibuster, by the
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way, continues on the floor of the u.s. senate. senators -- democratic senators by and large arguing for greater gun control. we'll continue to watch that as well. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. cnn's breaking news coverage of the orlando terror attack continues right now. erin burnett "outfront" starts. "outfront" next, breaking news. the shooter's wife tonight telling law enforcement she had a suspicious her husband was planning an attack and he had been talking about it for months, if not years. plus, an alligator dragging off, killing a 2-year-old at a disney hotel. how could this tragedy and have happened. and republicans returning away from donald trump as trump fires back saying, fine, i'll do it alone. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm earn burden of the proof. "outfront" tonight, breaking news are new


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