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this is cnn breaking news. >> it is the top of the hour, and breaking news as he has been forced to do so, so many times, president barack obama comforting the families after a deadly mass shooting. this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon live from orlando. with each passing day, we are learning more about the nightclub killer, omar mateen and his wife exchanging text messages, and also, elementary school records show that he was disciplined several times for aggressive and violent behavior. i want to begin with brian todd. brian, you have been digging on the omar mateen's troubled history, and what have you learned? >> well, don, tonight, we have
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new accounts from the former classmates and the documents from the st. lucie county school system showing a lifetime of red flags for omar mateen, but along the way, nobody from the school system that he came up through to the fbi was able to put the mosaic together and stop his dangerous progression tonight at the nightclub. >> reporter: this pattern of behavior extended back to the childhood, and even as a boy, omar mateen was troubled and disrupti disruptive. a classmate in port st. lucie school said that he once threatened to bring a gun to school and kill everyone, in fourth or fifth grade, and he was 9 or 10 years old, and the classmate could not say what punishment he received, but it was quote, a big dealt the time. and the documents obtained from the st. lucie schools show that he was disciplined 311 times between 1992 and 1999 and the school records say he was rude
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and aggressive and talked about v violence and sex many times. >> he was out there, and didn't have many friends. >> and robert rode the same bus route, and he and others tell cnn in the days following 9/11 he claimed that osama bin laden was his uncle. and >> he was like had a plane noise and made a boom sound, and fell in the seat, and he was like laughing and it like it was a joke or something, and my friends and i were like, hey, if you don't stop, man, it is going to be a problem. >> reporter: as a teenaged employee at gold's gym, he was to be avoided. >> he had the kind of the aura that nobody really wanted to engage him, because they didn't know where he would go. >> reporter: and stephan held personal training sessions at gold's gym. >> one of my clients was completing her set on the squat rack, and she was in full stride all of the way down, and he made
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a derogatory statement about her anatomy which i mean it was completely unacceptable, and loud at that. like he wanted her to hear it. >> reporter: and the staff member members of gold's gym could not recall any disciplinary issues with mateen. a few years later, he was transferred as a job as a security guard after making inflammatory remarks about terrorism, and this is when the fbi started to investigate him. >> he said that he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment so they could assault his wife and martyr him. >> the family said that she had to be rescued out of the family. >> he was mentally unstable and mentally ill is the only explanation ki give and obviously disturbed. >> reporter: these school documents show that omar mateen had repeated intervisions with the counselors and others, but
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since the shootings, mateen's father has repeatedly said that he always thought that his son was normal. don. >> brian, there seem to be so many red flags in the guy's background and the fbi had him on a watch list at one poin. and were they aware of the history all of the way back to the elementary school, the fbi? >> very likely not, don, because you can't be put on the watch list when you are in grade school and if you are a u.s. citizen, and when you are a child, they don't really do that from what we know, but we also know that, he didn't come to the attention of the fbi until 2013, and at that point from then, they interviewed him twice in 2013 and 2014. >> thank you, brian todd. i want to bring in cnn national security analyst ju yel ki --
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juliette kayyem, and our analyst who is also a forensic psychologist. and juliette, the fbi said they had no picture or name to go on, and what could they do at that point? >> well, they couldn't do much. apparently, a search for any surveillance cameras that might have shown a picture, and they didn't take the guy's name down when the guy being mateen that we now know when he did try to get this body armor. so this is just unfortunate aspect to this case. here is yet another moment when we wish now looking back that, you know, that the store owner had taken his name, and then gotten the name to the fbi, and the fbi might have known, and they knew who he was, a might have been able to proceed on it, and without the name or the video surveillance camera, i don't know what the fbi could
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have done. >> all right. your expertise here, and are we expecting too much from the fbi, or are they missed opportunities? >> well, some of them, and we are trying to expect too much, and lump all of this into the pail. this one here when i look at the detail, it is questionable, because you two incidents going on at once, and law enforcement from the mideast trying to buy police equipment, and you had this other incident without the videotaped surveillance and without a photograph or the name, and there is not much they can do with it. >> and why wouldn't his wife have called, because she said that she suspected, right, that he was going to, you nknow, the night that he left that there was going to been at a tack and scouted out the locations, and she had bought ammunition with him, and why wouldn't she call? >> well, they have caught her in a couple of inkon sis tconsiste already, and these statements will go against her and they will sort it out when they bring
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it to the federal grand jury. >> the president today, deborah, he talked about mental health. he talked about terrorism or a numb ber of issues, but he said that there is one sort of instrument that was common to all of this. is there one thing that we can put together that is sort of telling us that there may be somebody like a mateen out there? >> well, that is the hardest question to answer, because we don't have one profile. we know that these lone wolf terrorists come in many shapes and forms, and they can't be easily identified, and so we are looking for what is consistent, and it tends to be the anger, and the internalization of the anger, and the disenfranchisement that they feel from their community, and the lack of a support system within that community. >> and the one mechanism that is probably a better question for you, juliette, the one mechanism in common is that they use these, at least the last couple have used the semiautomatic
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weapons, and if they did not have the weapons, possibly they could not harm so many people at least at one time. >> that is exactly right. and don, i had a chance to come home today, a i was thinking that i have been on the show for years now, and started to sort of don on me of the con ssisten theme of guns wu i do not talk about as a aspect of the national terrorism, and we will never solve the ainnger and the hatred issue perfectly. and look, this is a guy that if you went back the kindergarten, maybe we could have predicted this, but no one did, and what we can solve, and what is a national security imperative now given what has happened in orlando is the gun issue, and the access issue. i have changed because of this, and well, and it is something that people in my community need to talk about now, because it is really does come down to, you know, look, we can try to deal with the motivation, and try to get the people to focus on what makes the people radicalize, but shame on us if we don't focus on
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the means by which the people are killing unarmed american civilians, and that is the xh common theme, and that is why we need to just keep talking about the means by which these deaths are occurring as much as the motivation of men like him and others like him. >> all of it is important and everything is important. my question, art, what would keep someone like this shooter on a list, because we hear about his back ground, ahis ex-wife talking about how angry he was, and the record in school, and is that closer ties to keep him on the terrorism to be on the watch list? >> you heard the congressman talk about the watch list, because it is not very accurate, and that is one thing that has to be done is that the watch list has to be scrubbed. we have to put some real good guidelines in there to determine
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who is on the watch list, and who is off of the watch list, but if we are going to be relying on the watch list as it is now, you know, it is not going to work. >> and so, deborah, we heard that he was calling back to 911 and his wife and a tv produce, and i think someone else all while he was doing this attack. does that tell you anything about him? was he in some way reaching out to someone to -- a cry for elp? >> no, it is not a cry for help, but it is consistent with the predatory violence, and planned and well thought of, and he has a lack of e empathy, and he is not showing the emotions to what is going on and he is seeking attention for the behaviors in which he is engaging. >> and so we found out that he is reaching out the men on apps that he sent body parts to certain ones, and is this any indication of what it is, and it could be terrorism or conflicted about the sexuality or hate crime or all three.
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>> right. we just don't know, and we have all of the pieces to the put together, and that is what profiling is all about, and learning from him so we are b better at identifying later on the behaviors in somebody. but the important thing is that people saw the change in behavior, and they did not reach tout say something to the authoriti authorities, and that is a lesson. when you see the sustained behavior in violent discussions, reach out to tell somebody. >> these are all very difficult conversation, but very important. >> very important. >> and i am glad that we are are having them in front of a national, and international audience. than you, juliette, and i am glad that your voice coming back. >> thank you. >> all right. everyone, stay with me as we are going to the break, because i want to take a look at the pictures of a memorial here tonight in orlando. what's it like to be in good hands? man, it's like pure power at your finger tips.
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people here are grieving, and they are sad, but it is a strong community and they are fighting back. they have set up this memorial of crosses for the victims in the pulse nightclub massacre here in orlando. you can see that they are giving the condolence, and dropping off trinkets and sad moments that we have been witnessing all night, and lighting candles, and we will continue to monitor the pictures and poignant pictures here in orlando. president barack obama was here in the city to come to the wounded and comfort the victims of the mas is a ke, and i -- of the massacre, abi want to bring in the senior imam, and the president of the islamic society, and ju yel ki yes, ma'am is with us, and also barry
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from new york city, and imam, it is very good to have you here. and this shooting saturday, and did this have anything to do with your faith? >> i have said all week that with the muslim leaders, we condemn in the strongest terms the act that took place right here, and the hate crime that wounded our city, and say absolutely categorically unacceptable in islam or any religion for that matter, and i know that the american people don't hear us condemn it enough, but we can condemn it with the strongest terms, and i know that there sis a religious fatwa tha has been issued about this, and a statement put out by the muslim leaders called the orlando statement, and it is on orlandostatement.com to clarify that this is not acceptable. >> you say it is a hate crime, but do you believe it is a
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terror attack? it is a hate crime, and i don't know how the fbi categorize a terrorist attack, and i heard that he made a call or a claim that he was a member of isis, and hezbollah, and al qaeda which is contradictory, which is -- >> and he posted anti-american sentiment on facebook, and pledged allegiance to isis. >> well, anybody who kills like this, it is a terrorist attack, and you can't deny it. the muslim community, and i condemn this act as a terrorist act or hate crime of a massive scale. >> and i know that we always hear why don't the moderate muslims come out after the attacks and condemn them, but it is uncouple bent on us to not give you a platform so the people can hear you. >> i am pleased because we have put up billboards and full page ads in the newspapers and we are
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saying it very loud as we can, but we are a very small minority, and so that it is. >> and this show is about the truth, and i know so i will take responsibility for that. >> and at the national mall in washington, d.c., a month from now, we will be doing a big rally to announce, and declare with the loudest and the strongest terms that we condemn terrorism on july 23rd, because the american people say, if you can, go do it, and so you can be seen. and we will. >> i am is sorry, i have other panelist, and he says this is not about islam what happened saturday, and do you agree with him? sxwl >> it is not about the islam ma most of us now. and mateen was buying hate, and isis is selling it. and you know when a serial killer was killed and all of the neighbors say, he was such a nice guy. and we don't have that over the
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two decades of his life, he is a wife beater, and for al qaeda, and he hates gays, and for hezbollah and now found isis, and to say it is about islam is ridiculo ridiculous. it is about a violent extremism, and isis was selling it to him, and he bought it, and we have a tragedy because of that. i want to make clear sort of why we need to view this as something that the muslim community is a part of in this effort for our safety and security. when people ask me, abi have been in counter terrorism national security, and what keeps america relatively safe, relatively safe, one is the oceans, and the other is the experiment of america over decades and centuries of being able to assimilate and sbi grate new communities and we have done that with the arab community that i am a part of, and the muslim community that we don't have radicalized population, and the arab, and the muslim
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communities are committed to the future and the safety and the security of the country. i spent two decades in counter terrorism, and so just the people have to remember that isolating these communities will have bad consequence, and we are safe because of the e integration, and assimilation. >> and commissioner carrick, i have to ask you in the world that we live in is juliette right? >> well, she has a good point, and ki touch on the new york city specific. we have a tremendous muslim population in new york city. the police commissioner himself, police commissioner bratton has a personal liaison to the muslim community, and we have fraternal groups within the nypd and muslim groups, and muslim cops that interact with the commu community, and we have a muslim imam, and you know, a chap lain, and new york city police
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chaplain in the new york police department, and community affairs officers in just about every precinct including the community affairs precinct of the nypd that interact with the muslim community on a daily basis, so not everybody has the resources that we are we have no new york city, but everybody should follow that example, because we are going to have intel and insight and we are going to have relationships that every police agency, and every law enforcement agency in this country should have to address these problems should they ar e arise. >> yeah. do you work with the fbi? >> i work very closely with the fbi, and on a regular basis, and i wanted to point one point, very important point, that early sunday morning the man who led the charge, the head of the s.w.a.t. team is a muslim american who is reg ular at our
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mosque, and compare that to the criminal who committed this atrocity and he never been to the mosque, and we never saw him, and we didn't know his name. so, a good example of an american muslim is a police officer, a captain with over 20 years on the force who led the charge as the head of the s.w.a.t. team, and put his life on the line to rescue the hostages. >> and let me ask you about this, because we have had discussions pretty much since the beginning of the homophobia in the muslim community, and with islam, and certain countries throwing people off of the buildings, and burning people, and torturing the gay people? >> well, these are the cases of the so-called islamic state which is a terrorist organization. they don't represent islam. they are a cult of hate and death and destruction. >> you don't think that islam teaches that? >> no. absolutely not. >> and not to necessarily kill people, but that certainly, that, you know, we are hearing that love the sinner and not the
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sin, and in christianity it is teaching that homosexuality is a sin. >> that i have to admit for centuries this is the position of the islamic, you know, scholars, and just like in christianity, there are many views, and spectrum on this issue from the far right to the far left. >> how you fix that though? >> well, it takes a lot of education, and it takes a lot of maturity, and we are still in this country struggling with this issue, and we have the supreme court decision a year ago and people are still talking about the religious freedom, and that it is not acceptable. >> is that your assessment, what you teach as the imam about homosexuality that it is a sin and that it is bad? >> i say as a muslim, i don't accept it as a lifestyle, but i do not judge other people for what they choose. as a muslim, i cannot drink alcoh alcohol, and i can not eat pork, but i do not judge somebody who eats of the pork or drinks alcohol that they are a bad
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♪ "dinner!" "may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. back with me, imam, juliette kayyem and bernard kerik. and you understand that being
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gay is not a choice, and you are born that way? >> i understand that, but at the mosque we have an open-door policy for everyone, and we don't judge people based on the sexual orientation or even if they believe in god or not. and you know, we are teachers, and we are not judges. it is important for us to emphasize the culture of love and acceptance, and embrace and compassion, versus the culture of judgment and condemning people. >> and commissioner, i want to get back to the investigation, because ma teen was investigated by the fbi for ten months in 2013 and 2014 and why do you believe that the case might have been closed? >> well, to continue the investigation, they'd have to have probable cause to believe that there was a crime committed or probable cause to believe that an investigation was necessary to find the conclusion of a crime. evidently, both of the times that they were looking at him, and the three times that they interviewed him, they didn't find that. at that point they closed it out. i think that if they had more coordination with the local
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authorities, i think that others could have been watching him, and i think that is where we are dropping the ball. >> how does law enforcement build trust with imam musr here? >> first ott of all, i give the imam a lot of credit. we need a lot more moderate muslims, and law abiding muslims and good muslims like him, and they have to be public and they have to talk to the communities, and that is is going to eliminate a lot of the fear, and a lot of the deranged fear that is out there that every muslim is a terrorist. and i think that with people like him and others, that would help. >> juliette, i know that you want to make a point on this? >> well, i mean, i would agree with bernie. and people who know my background and his know that we are probably different politically and from different parties even, and the fact that
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people have been in the law enforcement and national security for a long time like both of us are consistent in this that integrating and reaching out to the communities, arab and u muslim, and part of the law enforcement partnerships is es ssential, and not alienatg them in anyway, because it is harmful to the homeland security, and that is across the spectrum, and this anti-islam, and the keep them out, and the trump rhetoric is just is such an outlier from anybody who has been in the our orbit, and so people need to recognize it, it is not law enforcement people who are saying this, and it is a political statement more than a national security statement. >> thanks to all of you. appreciate it. great conversation. >> and coming up, we will talk to one of the victims of the aurora movie massacre coming up.
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stop gun violence, and this is part of what he said afterwards. >> we can't anticipate or catch every single deranged person that may wish to do harm to his neighbors or his friends or his co-workers or strangers, but we can do something about the amount of damage that they do. >> i want to bring in sandy and lonnie phillips the mother and stepfather of jessica ghawi who was killed at the aurora movie theater in 2012. that is when i first met you guys covering that story. it is good to see you guys, and i wish it were better circumstance, and to be honest with you, i love you but i am tired of talking to you this way. >> we are tired of it, too. >> and we are tired of it, too. and we are hoping that this is the beginning of the end of
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these kinds of conversations. >> yeah. i would much rather be having a conversation about some progress being made on the issues whether it is coming to dooling with the terrorism or guns in certain ways. we are always talking about a tragedy. today, the president along with the vice president joe biden was here in orlando speaking with the families of the victims after yet another mass shooting. i mean, you have been in the room with all of the victims' families, and you were one of those families, and so do you relive this every single time? >> absolutely. every single time. >> yes. >> every single time i woke up sunday morning, and i just could not believe what we were seeing and hearing. and immediately went to what those families are feeling and going through and trying to process, and knowing that this is now a total life-change for
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th them. we are just there to help them along the way. >> and the mom tonight of shane tomlinson said i would not wish this on my worst enemy, and you have said, dauon, this is a clu nobody wants to be a member of. and does it matter if it is homegrown terrorists or jihadi terrorists or does the motive matter here? >> no, don, it doesn't. and this is a good question, because of the last five mass murders, the young angry men who felt that they were shunned by society decided that they could not take it anymore, and no matter the reason, and trying to find out the reason really doesn't matter. they had easy access to weapons, and that is what did all of the damage. the guy that did the shooting in
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aurora had the same rifle. he had 100-round magazine, and we should have had if his plan had worked, he should have killed 50 or more, and he pl planned to kill 300, but fortunately his magazine jammed and that is what saved a lot of people in aurora, but this is going to continue, and there is go ing the be one upmanship continue, and it is going to be the same angry white young maladjusted, however you want to phrase it disturbed young men that is doing this. and it is their, it is what they do. it is going to continue until we get a handle on the guns. >> i am sure that, sandy, you been paying attention to the filibuster, and 15 hours of democrats ended it after the republican parties agreed to have allow two measures to be
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put up for vote. are you encouraged by this? >> for the first time in a long time on a national level, i do feel encouragement, and there is a no-fly, no-buy bill, and cornyn's bill is not very good, but finestein's is, and for the first time on the national level, i am hopeful. when the democrats took control of the -- took control yesterday and filibustered until they got the agreement to debate and discuss and bring a couple of bills to the floor. that is the first time in a is very long time that i have gone yes! we are moving forward. and so we always hope that after each one of the mass shootings, that is the one that is the tipping point. but the white house has also told us that they are seeing a change, and hearing a ghang the american people, and america has
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had enough of this, and enough of the fringe element controlling our government. and we are beginning to stand up, and say, no more. >> well, let's talk about that, because i usually try to remain calm, right, because i don't want the people at home to get upset, but we had a big argument on partisan bickering over this earlier, and the american people are not as split as the leaders are. for example, you are gun owners, and you just want some sensible legislation on which guns should be available. >> we are gun-owning texas republican republicans. i mean, that is a three-way loss right there, right? we do want reasonable and commonsense regulations. that is really all we want is the slippery slope of background checks starting a national gun registry, it is just a lot of
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propaganda put out by the nra as we all know. so that is not where we need the go. >> we know that they have been really, really good for 40 years now at instilling fear and paranoia, and they are very good at it. they market it. and there are some in america who have fallen for it, but most of the americans are smart enough to see through it that it is being revealed to them, and they can actually see what is o goinging on, and i think that they are going to stand up, and say, this isn't right, and we have to look at the good of the whole, and not the good of a few individuals. >> sandy, and lonnie, thank you. >> you are always welcome. thank you. >> thank you, don. >> we will be right back.
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and maria cardona who is a hillary clinton supporter, and buck sexton who is a former cia agent. and now, maria, let's talk politics. senator john mccain said that he blamed barack obama for being directly responsible for the orlando massacre, and listen to this. >> barack obama has been directly responsible for it because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, and became isis, and isis is what it is today, and thanks to barack obama's failures. >> so, maria, the senator later said in the statement that he misspoke, and he was referring to the president's national security decisions, and what do you think? >> well, the original comments were completely beyond the pail, and wrong headed which is why he quickly backtracked and took them back, and i also think it is a sad commentary on what has
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become of people who are supporting donald trump. it seems that the trumpian and divisive and corrosive hateful rhetoric is seeping into everybody's way of speaking, and that is what is what came out with john mccain's comments, and it is incredibly disappointing coming from john mccain and somebody who is famous for the straight talk express in 2000 and then in 2008, he stood up to one of his own bigoted supporters who called president obama un-american. where is that john mccain? >> well, that is my question to you, then. do you think that donald trump, and come on, john mccain is a grown man and he has been around for a long time forever, and survived being a prisoner of war, and you think that donald trump has that much influence on john mccain? >> well, interestingly enough, this is not the first time that john mccain has done a double take, and gone against what he has thought and done and
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believed before. this is why he lost in 2008, don, and let's remember that this is somebody who was a huge proponent of sensible immigration reform, and supported the legislation that had his own name on it, and the mccain/kennedy bill, and then in 2008, he knew in the primary he had to go to the right, and he completely did a 180, and turned his back on it and lost the election. >> and okay. stay to the particular subject, maria. and buck, do you agree with what john mccain originally said and donald trump did? >> no, he retracted it and he said that he went too far. look, there is not a hard case to make at all that what barack obama did as commander in chief in iraq has led to the rise in the largest, and the most sophisticated terrorist army certainly since the taliban and al qaeda have been working hand in hand since 9/11 and a fact, and that is why the war planners are planning for the 2020 exit out of afghanistan, because they have realized the huge mistake in iraq.
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and yeah, he went a little too far, and saying that barack obama is responsible, and he said it. and the connection to trump, i don't understand, because if we hold donald trump responsible for everything that every seasoned politician does is that he is going to be batting it away, and trump has his hands full dealing with what he says. >> yeah. >> and who is talking about the troops leaving iraq? >> look, don, the fact is that the obama administration can did not push as hard as it could to keep the troops in iraq. >> such a republican talking point. >> and it is not a republican talking point, and i have been in iraq, and i have been there spending a loft time talking about it. >> and just answer the question. >> and obama was a commander in chief when they decided to -- >> can you put this tweet up, and this is a john mccaint tweet. and i want to put the tweet up, and i don't have it in the e-mail, and if you will put it up, and this is john mccain back in august of 2010 he said that last american combat troops leave iraq, and think they
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george w. bush deserves some credit for victory, and he is giving him credit. >> that is another time when john mccain was wrong. >> and he is saying that it is president obama's fault. >> and it is the commander in chief making the decisions, and not john mccain, and at the time he thought that it was a good move, but he was wrong and he is not the one who was the decider, and barack obama was. and barack obama had a timetable for exiting and he changed. >> well, it is hype critical, because he is praising george w. bush and condemning barack obama, and that is a hypocritical statement. >> yeah, you can't have it both ways. >> well, it is not critical, but he is wrong. >> and he is wrong now. >> and kayleigh, he was down here in orlando today, the president's tenth speaking about a mass shooting that he has spoken about 15 time, and he said something responding to something that trump suggested yesterday without using his name. >> the notion that the answer to
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this tragedy would be to make sure that more people in a nightclub are similarly armed to the killer defies common sense. those who defend the easy accessibility of the assault weapons should meet these families and explain why that makes sense. they should meet with the new town families and some of whom joe saw yesterday. whose children would now be finishing fifth grade. on why it is that we think that our liberty requires these repeated tragedies. >> kayleigh, what is your reaction to that? >> look, if you are looking at the facts at what happened, there is one person in the club who did have a gun, and he was not able to take out the killer, but when three other officers
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arrived on the scene with guns, they were able to force the killer to are retreat. so if in fact, there were undercover individuals in the club, three or four undercover people with guns, this would have ended a lot faster. i agree with the president, we need to look at gun, and put in place sensible reform, and that is definitely should mean making shure that people on the terror watch list do not get guns, but the president has a lot to answer, and he keeps wanting to turn to the guns, but he has to answer the facts that today, his own cia director said that isis is basically knocking on our door, and he is getting into our country through the refugee program which obama announced he going to be accelerating and making sure that all of the refugees get in here by october, and so he is trying to move this to guns, and we need to talk about the guns, but also islamic extremism when his own cia director is on the hill and very concerned about this. >> we have to go, and thank you very much. we will be right back.
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it is difficult to describe in words what people are dealing with here and in orlando, and the family members who lost their lives in the club right over my shoulder here. and so good night from orlando. make sure that you stay withcnn for continuing coverage of the massacre here. i'm don lemon. good evening, we are live from orlando where president obama met with grieving families asking, why is this happening? vice president joe biden also visited a memorial where they placed white roses, one for each of those killed in the pulse nightclub. and we will hear some of what the president said about meeting with family members, and we will speak with some of the family members and

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