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restrictions. but all four measures have now gone down to defeat. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, breaking news. fire. donald trump's campaign manager out tonight. new details on how it went down and why the trump family called an intervention. plus more breaking news at this hour. a man arrested for trying to kill donald trump at a rally. new details just coming into cnn. and a navy s.e.a.l. dead after a firefight with isis. what happened. the exclusive. let's go "outfront." and good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. fired. donald trump in the most significant shakeup of this election. telling controversial campaign manager corey lewandowski he's
out. a dramatic move less than month before the gop convention and acknowledgment by the presumptive nominee his campaign needs a new direction and needs it fast. line to you ski escorted out of trump tower today after being fired. talked to our dana bash and what was at times a very surreal conversation. >> reporter: first, from your perspective, what happened? why were you fired? >> i don't know. i don't -- i don't know the answer to that. things change as a campaign evolves and a general election campaign against a very well-funded, giant organization like the clinton campaign is very different than running against those smaller, primary state elections. >> were you surprised? were you blindsided? >> i don't know if it's so much that. there's been a lot of conjecture in the media lately about what's going on well and what isn't going on well in the campaign. i think a lot of that is just the media trying to hype up a campaign. >> sources who i've talked to and others have talked to said that they described you as a hot
head and that you just didn't treat people right. what do you say to that? >> i think i'm a very intense person. and my expectation is perfection. because i think it's what mr. trump deserves. i think he deserves the very best because he has put his life and his fortune into this campaign. >> but this is -- my question is about you. >> i understand. because leadership starts at the top. and i see what he's put into the campaign and when i see someone who i don't think is working as hard as the person who is funding the campaign as the campaign principle, meaning the candidate, yeah, that bothers me. >> that firing comes amid sagging poll numbers, fund-raising problems and talk of a delegate revolt against trump at the convention. but trump in an interview with fox news just moments ago shrugged off the entire shakeup. here he is. >> with corey, i'm really proud of him. he did a great job. but we're going to go a little bit of a different route. >> so -- >> style -- different style, and -- >> a little different style,
yeah. >> all right. >> little different style. >> all right. my panelists here including dana bash, who obviously you just saw in that interview. i want to begin, though, with phil mattingly. phil, we have heard so many stories about battle inside the trump campaign. what did today tell us about how the battles are finally shaking out? >> it's family above all else, erin. when it comes to corey lewandowski, one of the longest serving lieutenants inside the trump campaign, it seemed for many, even amid all of the fights he would never be dislodged. but over the course of a couple of weeks, donald trump's family lining up against corey lewandowski, and today his reign came to an end. >> corey, good job, corey. >> reporter: today donald trump's embattled campaign manager, corey lewandowski is out. >> what happened? why were you fired? >> i don't know. i don't -- i don't know the answer to that. >> reporter: lewandowski started the day on a regularly scheduled rnc messaging call.
one person making clear, nothing seemed strange or different. yet within hours, he would be escorted out of trump tower by security, according to one source. part angry, part relieved and no longer the unlikely surgent campaign manager for the unlikelyin insurgent campaign that has turned 2016 on its head. >> i give my opinion probably to my own detriment too many times. and i will fight for my opinions, forcefully. at the end of the day, there's one person who makes a decision on this campaign as it goes forward and it should be that way. >> reporter: lewandowski's sudden departure. the final straw, according to sources, trump family members finally had enough. trump's daughter, ivanka and son-in-l son-in-law, jared kushner, were instrumental in convincing trump to cast off his campaign manager, sources say. but lewandowski tells cnn's dana bash, he has no hard feelings. >> i had a nice conversation
with mr. trump and i said to him it's been an honor and privilege to be part of this. and i mean that from the bottom of my heart. i think as you look at how small this team has been, and how close-knit this team has been, it's important to know there are highs and lows in every campaign and we have been through together. and in order to be successful, we need to continue to build that team and build the relationships within the rnc and realize the resources they have available to us. so that's where the campaign is going, and it's been a great privilege. and, look, i wouldn't change one second. >> reporter: the move, a clear acknowledgment from trump that change wasn't just necessary, but desperately needed as he heads into the general election. but what sources describe as a sudden move, still may not be enough to calm rest of republicans who believe the problem isn't the staff, but the candidate himself. and they're pushing to dump trump at the republican convention next month. >> i don't care if we go to 5:00, 6:00 in the morning, 35,
36, 37 ballots. we are going to pick the candidate best suited to beat hillary clinton and advance the republican party. we can't allow donald trump to take the republican party down. >> reporter: now, erin, while a convention coup is certainly unlikely, there is no question republicans across the ideological spectrum are very nervous about what they have seen the last couple weeks. the reality is this. donald trump's children plus paul manafort, new campaign manager, were brought in to professionalize this campaign, yet hillary clinton has ten times more staffers, hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank. donald trump doesn't have a single general election ad up in the air right now. if change is going to happen, certainly this is a harbinger of that, but a lot of republicans asking, is it too late. >> is it too little and too late. thank you very much, phil mattingly. and now mark preston, executive editor of politics, hillary clinton supporter baz owes michael, caylee maccen eveny. jason osborne and co chair for
ted cruz's campaign, attending a meeting with trump and leaders tomorrow. not a never trump or a stop trumper, but maybe one day, we shall see. but dana, let me start with you. corey lewandowski there, almost crying when he was talking to you. and his answers completely at odds with the reporting. >> i mean, at one point in the interview, i said to him. >> people watching this might think that you're on kind of a different planet than we are in that just a few hours before we talked, he was fired. and he was talking about everything and i really went through the infrastructure, the structure and then, of course, the personnel issues that we have been reporting on that phil talked about in his piece. and, you know, from his perspective, at least in the interview, everything was fine, everything was great. i think that speaks to a lot of things. but most importantly, the fact that he is going to be loyal and is going to continue to be loyal the way he believes that donald trump was loyal it to him.
didn't cut him loose at a time when corey lewandowski got into trouble and was arrested. but for manhandling a reporter. >> that's right. i mean, the thing is, though, that -- as dana is saying, hours before, he's on a conference call with reince priebus, with the rnc and is then escorted out of the building. fired. this is an unprecedented situation. we are weeks away from one of the most watched conventions in american history. >> but it is still june, a lot of time to -- between now and then. there are some things that need to change. there's no doubt about it. like you have pointed out and i think that the fund-raising structure is one of them. this is a big shakeup. maybe it's one that's needed. but i do think corey lewandowski deserves a lot of credit to have gotten more votes than any -- for any republican nominee than anyone in presidential history. that's pretty remarkable when he did, coming out and shaking up this campaign, someone with no political experience. he was the man behind that
operation. and that interview showed a lot of grace and dignity on his part that he exited today so gracefully. and with pride and with honor. >> grace and dignity, basel, or a nondisclosure agreement? >> that's what i think. a nice severance pac package. even if he didn't -- he stayed on message. >> he did stay on message. >> he stayed on message. i don't know if that enough to allay the fears of republicans who are really concerned about where this campaign is going. substantively, i don't really see how the campaign changes. you are really just going to roll back everything that donald trump has said in the last few months to make him more palatable to voters? i don't think so. operationally, maybe he does bring on more staff and raise some more money. but does it really help in all those down ballot races you need to elevate the ticket. >> on this issue, though, of staffing, mark, okay? 732 employees for hillary clinton, 70 for donald trump. that's the latest data. those numbers are going to have gone up on both sides. one would presume. but still -- but still. a few weeks, you're going to
tell me you're going to close that gap with quality and people in the know and can get it done? there's no way. >> right. and look, this campaign has been marked by defining moments, more so than any other presidential campaign, i think. and this was a defining moment today. what we are going to see, perhaps, and quite frankly, donald trump's candidacy really hinges in his success in november hinges on what happens in the next two or three weeks. and the reason being, if paul manafort really is leading this campaign, then -- >> that is, of course, the new campaign manager. >> the new campaign manager. then he does have to hire staff. he does need to put a ground game in place. they do need to raise money. these are all things that in the end, might have been the undoing of corey lewandowski. i think the kids look at corey lewandowski and said, why don't we have any of this. not only was donald trump off message, but didn't have the infrastructure behind him. >> right. but jason, you also have this issue of how do you catch up, okay? you look at all those early states. hillary clinton, spent all this money on ads. donald trump hasn't spent a single dollar.
something he has bragged about. >> 40 million versus zero. >> that's not something to brag about at some point. >> we talked about this a couple weeks ago. in the sense that the recommendation at the time was that hillary needs to spend this time improving her image. and that's exactly what she is doing. what donald trump is doing is, he's putting together an operation that his general election focused and we can talk about whether -- >> his unfavorables got ten points worse in the past month. >> based on media manipulation of things that he said. he is not a politician who is going to sit there and talk about issues like a normal politician would. and that's refreshing to a lot of people. so when we're talking about 700 staffers for hillary versus 70, let's keep in mind what caylee just said. 70 staffers -- actually less than that, achieved something that no other republican nominee had achieved before. and that's 14 million votes. so donald trump operates and starts with that operation. >> and sees -- >> tomorrow nobody is going to know who corey lewandowski is or paul manafort. they're focused on donald trump and his message moving forward.
>> paul manafort, though, has been on this campaign, he's now won this battle, bob. he is now the campaign manager. he's run a lot of campaigns in the past. of course, in this country and around the world. he now has the title. does it make you more likely to vote for donald trump, because he's put this guy who knows what he's doing and is a real operative in charge? >> i think what donald trump recognized today and maybe what his kids recognized earlier, he needs to change the narrative. you have a lot of people on edge. the families on edge, the delegates on edge. you have a past president on edge, last nominee on edge. he needs to change the narrative and that's a donald trump issue. so what mark said earlier, the next two or three weeks of this campaign are going to be crucial for his success going into cleveland. because right now, for anybody to say their republican party is united, it is not united. i'm a friend of donald trump. >> a thousand people on a delegate conference call last night. >> to be clear, i wasn't on that call. but what is -- i'm a friend enough to donald trump to say, hey, you've got to shore things up right now.
his family, his inner circle said donald trump, you need to shore things up right now. and so corey lewandowski, yeah, class act interview with dana bash. but what he's trying to do is, change the narrative. we're trying to right the ship right now. >> of course, right the ship, the words paul manafort used to me when he came on board 12 weeks ago. how many times can you do it? next the new power player, what he's telling trump behind closed doors. and the orlando gunman shooting his rifle at a gun range. was another warning sign missed? and this man arrested for plotting to kill donald trump at a trump rally. the terrifying story. how close did he come? we'll have the story tonight. it's more than a network and the cloud.
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. breaking news. new details about the war inside the trump campaign, corey lewandowski lost his job today. cnn confirming lewandowski was on the outs with trump's daughter ivanka and her husband, jared kushner. one source saying kushner was intimately involved and when there were negative stories in the presides about her husband. >> jared married to my daughter. >> reporter: jared kushner, top adviser to donald trump. >> jared is a very successful developer, and he just loves politics now. >> reporter: the real estate and media mogul, a fixture on the campaign trail. it's now clear that kushner has a major influence on trump, and the campaign. >> our understanding is that ivanka trump's husband, jared kushner, has been intimately involved in saying it's time for
you -- for corey to go. can you tell me about your relationship with him? >> i've had a great relationship with jared. >> reporter: but behind the scenes, it was a different story. >> he was advocating for a more serious campaign adviser. he was not happy with corey lewandows lewandowski. >> reporter: gave rights stiffly abo assistance difl. >> he has tieses to wall street investors. the jewish community and new york city and also the media community. he owns the newspaper, "the new york observer" and close personal friends with rupert murdoch. >> reporter: if you're a republican running for president, not a bad connection to have. kushner, who unlike trump, shuns the spotlight, was born into his own real estate empire. >> i have people moving to my apartments on the upper east side, because they can't afford brooklyn. >> reporter: in 2006, paid $10 manage for the observer. and in march when trump made a
highly publicized speech to the public affairs committee -- >> my daughter ivanka is about to have a beautiful jewish baby. >> reporter: kushner helped write that speech. even having his new york observer editor, look it over. and in a small world twist of fate, jared kushner has connections to another trump adviser. new jersey governor, chris christie, who as u.s. attorney in 2005 put charles kushner, jared's father, in prison for two years. the elder kushner pled guilty to 18 counts of illegal political donations, tax evasion and witness tampering. >> it is our obligation to act swiftly and surely to end the obstruction. >> reporter: there are a lot of connections here for mr. kushner and trump, by all accounts. he is a soft-spoken, almost shy guy. but now he has a increased stature in an evolving campaign. a stature he inherits whether he wants it or not.
erin? >> thank you very much, miguel. panel is back with me. so dana, let me start with you again. cnn reporting lewandowski was planting negative stories about jared kushner, which would certainly be a -- take a lot of guts to do in this situation. that's the reporting. >> it is. and i specifically asked corey about that today in my interview. he denied it. he said he wasn't doing any such thing. but the bottom line is that that kind of allegation, rumor, whatever you want to call it, was sort of exhibit a of the kind of thing that we have been seeing, and hearing about inside the trump campaign that has made it just untenable for it to continue and to expand and to work the way a campaign needs to work in order to run a general election campaign and run against a major machine like the clinton campaign. you know, miguel has reported about jared kushner. i'm hearing similar things that he is somebody who is so much more involved in the inner
workings, whether it is not just raising money from people who he knows, who have deep pockets, but also the inner workings and infrastructure. he is an increasing role there. which came to a head when he really did work with his wife and her siblings to try to push corey out. >> and his wife and her siblings, jason, really instrumental in this. they have by all accounts complained about corey lewandowski for quite some time. they finally skucceeded today. donald trump jr., here's how he put it today. >> were we involved in talking about this with him? sure. he's always going to come up with his own mind. i think we left in a good way with corey. we have a good relationship with corey. he has done something that's incredible. and, you know, i wish all separations of this nature went that well. >> you know, i would expect nothing less from any campaign, you know, the first thing when you start with a candidate is you ask is your family behind you. and so donald trump clearly has
a very smart family, a very involved family and a very close family. >> right. >> so i would expect they're involved in almost every decision. because they're his best surrogates. he trusts them the most and listens to them the most. and for them to come out and say, look, we think you need to go in a different direction, of course he's going to listen to that and he should. >> without a doubt, they are his most important surrogates, his best surrogates, mark. no question about that. but you now have an inner circle. they don't have political experience. but they're the only ones he would listen to on this. if indeed he even did listen to him. they all had to gang up and go together. they have been doing it for a while. >> he's blessed to have kids who are very intelligent, who as jason says, really have become his best surrogates. but the bottom line is, to your point, you do need political professionals. okay, you need people who understand how to get people to the polls. you need professional message people to come in and tell you, this is how this is going to work out politically. we know you have been very successful in business.
this isn't business. it is a different animal, it's a different beast. and the likes of paul manafort if he is able to take the reins and pull them tight, perhaps we will see a operation spring out and come into action. but we'll see. >> we will see. and of course, corey lewandowski in the interview with dana trying to be nice about everybody. here's exactly how he answered the question about the trump children, which is specifically how he got fired. >> i've always had a great relationship with the family and i think i continue to do so. >> can he cause major damage to this campaign, to the trump family, because he knows where the skeletons are. he has spent a year embedded. he knows. has heard phone calls, seen things, knows things. >> he's also grateful to the candidate and i think that came across overwhelmingly in the interview. he knows he was put in this place and given opportunities by donald trump and thinks very highly of him and thinks he's the best thing for this country. and i think really what this whole situation boils down to is we saw two philosophies really
embodied in the different vine personalities of paul manafort and cory do you know do you ski, and more of the how do we put this rogue outsider inside a could conventional campaign vehicle. it's time to do the latter, to put this outsider person who is immensely popular to the voters, and inside a conventional campaign vehicle that can take you to the white house. so i think this was a good decision at the end of the day. >> and we mentioned a moment ago, the ad numbers. and dana was pointing out, $40 million spent by hillary clinton, zero by donald trump. how confident does this make you? is are you worried now that paul manafort is in charge and hillary clinton is something to be scared about? >> no. a lot of ground to make up. but going to jason's point earlier, you talked about this money being used to help hillary's image. i think quite differently. i think this money and the ad buys are being used to define donald trump, right now. and throughout the rest of this campaign. something that i don't care how
much money donald trump is going to be able to raise. i don't really see him making up that ground in that time. >> and bob, just a final word to you. what do you say? are you -- you're meeting with him tomorrow, evangelical leaders. can he say something that will convince to you publicly get on board? >> what i think needs to do, ease fears. and the big thing when you're hiring any leader, especially the president of the united states, can we trust you. who are you going to put around yourself? who is going to be the vp choice? who is going to be your cabinet members? for republicans more than anything, what is going to be your basis for appointing supreme court justices? is so when i talk to conservativ conservatives, they say at least he's better than hillary and i say that shouldn't be our bar and they go right to the supreme court. if he'll appoint supreme court justices, i'll be with him. so he needs to bring this together and put the foundation in place. tomorrow is going to be a key meeting. >> he did put out the conservative list which i note was not if you have for you to get on board. topic for another day. next, breaking news. new video of the orlando shooter
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breaking news. investigators right now reviewing new and disturbing video of the orlando gunman practicing with the rifle he used. that rifle in the deadly massacre. officials telling cnn the video is from two weeks ago, showing omar mateen firing from the hip, rather than the shoulder. something the shop owner says is forbidden. this comes as the fbi releases the chilling words of what mateen told authorities during the terror attack in which 49 people were murdered. according to the documents, mateen pledged his allegiance to isis, and its leader, abu bakr al baghdadi. ed lavandera is "outfront" with more breaking details tonight. >> reporter: after blasting his way into the pulse nightclub, and unleashing the deadliest mass shooting in modern u.s. history, omar mateen called 911. >> why the killer made these murderous statements, he did so in a chilling, calm and deliberate manner.
>> reporter: during the 50-second call made at 2:35 a.m., roughly 30 minutes after the shooting started, mateen says i'm in orlando and i did the shootings. what's your name? my name is i pledge allegiance to abu bakr al baghdadi of the islamic state. the fbi initially released a transcript of the call that omitted references to isis and its leader, but released the full transcript after facing backlash from many republicans. house speaker, paul ryan, said selectively editing the transcript is preposterous. the administration should release the full, unredacted transcript so the public is clear-eyed about who did this and why. the fbi had said it redacted portions so it wouldn't give mateen a platform for his propaganda. >> we're not going to propagate their violent rhetoric and we see no value in putting those individuals' names back out there. >> reporter: the fbi also revealed mateen spoke with negotiator three times for 28 minutes. during the calls, he claimed a
vehicle outside the pulse nightclub contained bombs and said he was going to put four bomb-filled vests on victims still inside the club. no explosives were found. for shooting survivors, even seeing the words of this killer is excruciating. she says she could hear the killer talking on the phone inside the club, but couldn't understand what he was saying. >> i don't agree with them releasing it at all. we're never going to know what motivated him to that. we're just going to assume, and think, but at the end of the day, we're not going to know anything. >> reporter: investigators say they're also still continuing to look at the role that homophobia played in this, and investigators say they are aware of the reports that perhaps omar mateen was gay himself. they're urging anyone who had contact with him in the months or years leading up to this to continue -- to come forward. and here in orlando, erin, tonight investigators wrapping up their work at the scene of
the pulse night club, and they hope to have the street here reopened by tomorrow morning. erin? >> thank you. "outfront" now, ed rot rick and phil mudd. let me start with the breaking news about this surveillance video they say they have of him two weeks ago with the rifle he used in the shooting, art. shooting from the hip, not the shoulder. and apparently someone went over and said you can't do that. >> right. >> they didn't call the fbi until after the shooting. >> yeah. i mean, basically, it -- these public ranges, you see a lot of strange things people are doing with their weapons. side shooting. >> you're saying that wouldn't even be a red flag? >> it's a safety violation on the range. in and of itself, to me doesn't mean anything. it's a safety violation. they came out and warned him, you can't shoot from the hip, shoot from the shoulder. i guess he complied. in hindsight now, yes. obviously, now we're looking at is somebody that used that particular weapon to kill 49
people. >> pretty stunning people are doing this at ranges and it's business as usual. >> we're looking at this through hindsight bias. he had a troubled childhood, he was an abuser of a spouse, reported to the fbi by co-workers, shot from the hip. on a range and in a country that's 330 million people. we look back as all humans do and say how do we make a coherent story about this and i don't think it is a coherent story. at least not at this time. >> what about the issue of the fbi? start off with it pretty ridiculous they didn't release the whole transcript, right? >> can we take a summertime time-out? it's time for vacation in america. if you're at the fbi, isis has already used this for recruitment and you're deciding maybe now in retrospect after isis has used it, let me excise a few words. meanwhile, let's go down the street to the congress of the united states, democrat, republican, i don't care who you are. the speaker of the house says it is preposterous they excised a few words? can we focus on something significant? i think both sides made
mistakes. the other side of the aisle should have said mistake, let's move on. >> you don't think the fbi excised it for political reasons. >> no, i mean, the reports have come out they did it internally. i think in hindsight, yes, it's a mistake, they admitted to it. they came out, you know, took the redactions back. >> yep. >> but the odd thing, we're sitting here talking about the redactions as opposed to what's actually in the transcripts, which to me is very important. >> all right. so what stands out to you when you get this transcript? do you hear him pledging allegiance to isis, you hear him calling negotiators three times. he spoke to them in 40 minutes. >> yeah, a couple things. one being it corroborates everything we heard from the chief and commander from the s.w.a.t. team. that all measures up. the only thing we don't have in there, the three calls placed during the negotiation. we don't have that transcript. which would be very interesting. and the third thing being there was nothing in there about hatred of the gay community. >> right.
now what do you make of that, phil? because if this -- if this is supposed to be about that, perhaps even more than isis, as a lot of people are suggesting last week, wouldn't he have said something? >> i don't think so. we have a whole history of him and we're taking one incident and saying that overrides everything and we know about his troubled background. let's offer a different perspective. he says nothing about the club. he calls, which indicates to me he wants to publicize what he's doing. and when he wants attention, he says only one thing, isis. is that because he's a member of isis or is that because he wants to sidestep otherish ice that might have led him to a club. i don't think this gets us that far down the road, erin. >> so you don't think this means -- >> no, i mean -- >> he's not gay or didn't have gay tendencietendencies. >> when you look at this, he went in there to kill people. he pledges allegiance to isis. the issue of hatred of the gay community falls right under isis ideology. so, you know, i think we're splitting hairs here. by either way, i mean, it's pretty clear, he pledged
allegiance to isis. several times on that particular phone call. >> he certainly did. thank you both very much. and tonight fareed zakari, why they hate us. and details of a plot to kill donald trump at a campaign rally and shocking information about the death of a navy s.e.a.l. killed in a firefight with more than 100 isis fighters. the exclusive, next. ♪ ♪
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breaking news. a deadly plot wart this warted. michael sanford says he was plotting to kill the presumptive nominee. he was arrested and tried to grab an officer's handgun feet away from trump's podium. jim acosta "outfront" live in washington. jim, what do you now know about sanford's plan? >> well, according to the criminal complaint, a u.s. secret service special agent says the suspect over the weekend michael sanford admitted to grabbing a las vegas police officer's gun at the event with the intent to shoot and kill donald trump. that filing says sanford, who was a british citizen, told the agent he drove from california
to las vegas last week to, quote, kill trump. those words are in the document. the next day, according to the same agent, sanford went to a las vegas gun range to learn how to shoot a gun, something he told the secret service he had never done before and at the rally, sanford told the secret service, i approached that officer, saying he wanted to ask trump for an autograph and then grabbed the officer's gun, because he thought the officer's holster was unlocked. the secret service aith who interviewed sanford says he gave him his miranda rights and so forth and freely volunteered all of this information, erin. and says the suspect told him he planned to travel to other cities to carry out these plans, if his plot in las vegas was unsuccessful. we should point out, sanford scheduled to make an appearance in court just a few hours ago, and other charges are pending in this case. >> so jim, let me ask you, i know there have been reports, of course that, donald trump at times will wear a bullet vest, that he has been very concerned about security. you have been to a lot of trump events. how tight is security?
>> security is very tight. people cannot bring firearms into these events. there are signs saying you can't bring firearms into these events, which is why presumably this man from britain decided to hatch the scheme where he thought he could get hold of a police officer's gun. but i can tell you, having been at these events, donald trump is essentially blanketed by secret service agents and people try to jump the bike racks around the candidate and at that point they started positioning more secret service agents around donald trump. you're looking at one incident right there. and so my guess is, having covered these events for many years and dealing with the secret service, there will be some sort of after action report. they will look at how security was handled at the event in las vegas, what could be done better in the future to prevent this from happening again. and there will be some sort of action taking place after all of this is looked at by the secret
service. i can't imagine that they will just look at this incident and then not change anything moving forward. >> jim acosta, thank you. former secret service agent, how dangerous could this have been? >> very dangerous situation. we had an individual that showed up to a trump event that had the means, the opportunity and the intent to cause harm. so this is, you know -- we always look for those three metrics to basically gauge the validity of a threat and now we hit all three, you know, right on the nail of the head here. so this is a very dangerous situation. >> and this is something he's concerned about -- reports he would wear a bulletproof vest, as jim is reporting. he has a phalanx of security and yet he is still so vulnerable. thousands of people at these rallies often not at rallies, might be in the street, signing autographs. >> listen, he's the republican nominee. he is putting himself out there, as much as possible. he is trying to get to the public, have as much exposure as
he can as a political candidate should. with that exposure comes increased risk. that's y you know, candidates are afforded the secret service protection that they are. >> and i mean, can they -- there is no way to be completely safe. but, of course, luckily we have not had anything awful happen in this country in decades. but we have seen things, right, of course, with ronald reagan, george wallace when he was running. >> absolutely. but let's look at this incident for a moment. what it comes down to is the training that that officer had. his weapon retention, his immediate action to -- >> that he was able to protect the weapon. >> protect the weapon. that mitigated a major threat and i don't want that overlooked in this story. that officer really should be commended, because listen, complacency kills at the end of the day. and that was something that law enforcement officers talk about. >> this guy able to get right up next to trump. right there in the front. >> it's a political rally. you can get very close. this is the point of political campaigns, to get those candidates out in front of the public as close as humanly possible. if it was up to the secret service, we would have major barriers and walls and things
separating. but we can't. this is a political candidate. and it's the same for both sides. you see hillary clinton is doing the exact same thing. she's out there trying to get as close to the public as possible. secret service has a very difficult job on their hands to protect against these incidents. >> all right. thank you very much, i appreciate it. and next, a navy s.e.a.l. killed during a ferocious firefight, 1 against 100. 100 isis fighters. we have the exclusive. and jeanne moos on why auditioning for vp can truly be the hardest job.
. nice sunny new details emerging about a fallen navy seal. more than 100 isis fighters attacked charles keating, iv, in a battle 100-to-1. he was awarded the silver star, one of the highest valor awards in our country. barbara starr is out front. >> reporter: it was a firefight last month in northern iraq that lasted more than two hours.
when it was over, navy seal charles keating was dead on a tour of duty that was not to involve combat. hundreds of family and friends attended. he was awarded the world's silver star, but not for the battle north of mosul that killed him, but for a different fight, two months earlier, one that was not disclosed until after his death. >> that march 4th morning, keelting seal team and local curledish forces were attacked by more than 100 isis fighters him keating kept up a counterattack running back and forth along the front lines to stop the enemy advance, exposing himself to murders, and rocket-propelled grenade. when a suicide car bomber approached the position, his team fired.
it happened all over again, isis assembling a large attack force again in northern iraq. keating's unit was behind the front lines advisers with local kurdish forces. at 7:30 a.m. the seems and local forces are attacked by more than 100 isis fighters who charged the front lines with bulldozers, trucks and weapons. at 7:50 t. americans calm for help. keithing and about 20 ought seals arrive quickly t. seals move to each side of the front line. military source tell cnn, initial battlefield reports describes fighting so intense, ammunition was running low. then keating's weapon malfunctioned. he went to a ann arbor vehicle for more ammunition and a new weapon. now equipped with his sniper rifle, he climbed on top of a building and began firing at asize when he was hit. his death and the two
firefights, a stark reminder that u.s. troops in iraq and syria are in combat more than the military discloses. former navy seal says there are new dangers for special operation forces. >> what's new in this environment is that the advisory mission, they're not supposed to be doing the majority of the fighting themself, close to where the fighting is taking place. >> reporter: the pentagon will not say haump or where troops are getting into these times of firefightles. they say it's because these are special operations force, maintaining the secrecy and security of their operations is paramount, but even today, we learn that four additional forces were lightly wounded earlier this month. all of it underscoring how dangerous this is in this new so-called grey zone between peace and war. erin. >> barbara, thank you so much.
really mattered is when hillary clinton actually picks her vp, until then it's guesswork. >> your name has been mentioned. >> there are rumors you are in vice president training camp. >> reporter: vp training camp involves lavishly praising your possible boss, even paraphrasing a bon jovi tune. ♪ give love a bad name. >> while in the singer's presence. >> i hate to contradict bon jovi, by dear god, hillary clinton you give love a good name. >> reporter: a good vp question has to art the questions and vp questions without ever saying never. but sometimes while batting away, they sting and they miss. >> are you being vetted? >> i hope so. >> that's, thank you, happy father's day, your father as well, to my knowledge, i don't, i can't tell you i know. >> reporter: our favorite technique is to laugh off the question. >> you wouldn't say no, would
you. >> ma, oh, i'm already a vp. >> reporter: if you are not a vegan, you can cite your current job. >> i love the work i do. >> i really love my job. >> reporter: or you can dismiss the question entirely. >> would you say yes? >> that is not going to happen. so i'm not gone hypothesize about that. >> reporter: some don't mind playing coy. >> i have to say no. >> reporter: only oa comedian would announce he's running for a vp. >> you need a good slogan. >> a good sol i would number two. >> reporter: sometimes a potential candidate would be too solid arc little too honest. >> do you think that you would be qualified to be vice president? >> that depends on what's your range of assessment is. >> reporter: let's try that question again. >> i want to know if you think you could be? >> yes, i do. >> reporter: apparently saying, "i do," applies to political marriages as well. jeanie mos, cnn, new york.
>> all right. thank you so much as always for joining us. done forget, can you watch "out front" ac 360 with john berman begins right now. good evening, john berman here in for anderson. it is the first evening of summered and there is a full moon out. the first time that's happened in more than 50 years. maybe that explains it. it begins with breaking news, new details ability donald trump's firing after a family intervention of the campaign manager whose mantra was let trump be trump. also with the zipthly rosie picture, this same campaign manager painted for cn's dana bash hours after getting the axe and the very different picture emerging of a candidate stuck in a primary mode in a campaign organization that barely seems to exist beyond twitter and trump, himself. in a