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28-country bloc. the uk split in its decision. scottish voters overwhelmingly voted to remain, and english voters who mostly supported the exit, apart from london, the capital of the uk. >> my guess is maybe the same in america. the trump-style, the haves and have nots. that's what's playing out now. i think a huge anti-political result. >> reporter: a key motivation behind the leave movement, immigration. >> what we want is immigrants who will come to our country and who will be able to contribute. >> reporter: the leave campaign railing against the influx of migrants from other eu countries pledging to control their own borders. >> we don't want open door migration where what happens is big business actually suppresses the wages and the aspirations of ordinary people by bringing in up limited number of cheap labor. >> reporter: nigel farage, leader of the anti-immigration party and one of the most vocal campaigners to leave says it's
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time for britain to cut itself from the eu's complicated bureaucracy. >> it's independence day. the ordinary, decent people of this country have overturned the establishment, the big banks and big businesses. >> reporter: what's next? a long period of negotiations as the world's fifth largest economy tries to disentangle itself from the european union. the concern now is, will the contagion spread to other european countries? will we eother countries try to leave the eu? we've already heard from right wing leaders in the netherlands and france demanding their other refer rend da. >> incredible, the ripple effect this might have. thank you for uall of that reporting. and sending the british pound into a tailspin. for the latest on global money reaction, alison kosik what are you seeing? >> seeing the global financial markets in crisis mode.
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going right to them, you're seeing worldwide just how the markets reacted. asian markets are closed but fell deep into the red. in tokyo the nikkei falling almost 8%. right now, london, paris and frankfurt markets are open. all european markets are open. seeing them deep in the red as well, although there has been recovery, still not easy to take when you see the huge percentages to the down side. one of the more stunning charts of the day, i would say, is the pound versus the dollar. we're seeing the value of the pound dropping to its lowest level since 1985, and you see the quick reaction. as soon as that vote came in, the tally of the vote, around 1:00 a.m. here, and then suddenly just plunging throughout the morning. the good news here is that if you decide that you want to go to the uk to travel, now may be your time, because you're going to get more bang for your buck if you're carrying dollars in your pocket, with 138, just a couple of days ago, it was at $1.50. good news if looking to travel.
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for the 401(k), though, expect a rough day. already seeing futures down. the dow could open as much as 500 points lower. we are just a couple of hours, three hours, from that opening bell. the good news here, if you're diversified, in for the long haul, if you have a strong stomach, i would say today is the day for opportunity. alisyn and chris? >> you're putting the silver lining spin on it, and that's good. the problem, obviously, with all of these analyses is, it's this uncertainty pi so that's why markets are plunging's they don't know for sure what the brexit will mean and be don't even know what the procedures are to get out yet let alone the impact. that's what markets don't like. >> no one does. >> let's try to get perspective how we got here and bring back clarissa ward and bring in cnn international correspondent christiane amanpour in westminster in front of the house of the parliament. watching you all morning, christiane, dealing with the outcome here and the perspective for it. let's do something here for the
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american audience. let's take one step back, christiane, and tell us how we got here, what is driving this situation that led to the vote? >> reporter: well, look, in short, there is a lot of populist anger around europe. you see it in the united states as well, and the people are great britain who have been historically, at least half the country, euro skeptic, have directed their anger at globalization, at immigrants and at this faceless what they say, european bure bureaucracy. that's basically what happened and fanned by right wing tabloids who perpetuated all sorts of myths about the eu. that is not to say there are no legitimate concerns about, you know, all the crises the world has been facing and particularly concerns over immigration. all of that created a perfect storm, and that is what has led to this vote. although it did take everybody, surprise, surprise, the whole world is watching, because of
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its political implications. you know, the mayor of london, the first muslim yeah, you know, london went overwhelmingly to remain. he really wanted to reassure america and the world that this was still a stable and prosperous country. listen. >> we will recognize the will of the british people. they voted for us to leave the european union. i mean, london voted quite decisively to remain in the eu. scotland and northern ireland, but the british public has spoken. my message to friends and businesses in london, we will remain an open country. >> reporter: so, chris, how do we get here, you asked? the bottom line is sort of simple. david cameron, a few years ago thought he was being out-matched on his right flank by the uk anti-immigration party here. ds leader nigel farage, forced him to this referendum and he made that gamble, that they would have a referendum, settle
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the issue once and for all and of course he thought he would win. he's lost. he's resigning and today at this moment, the face of this leave victory is the face of nigel farage. none of the others have come out and spoken publicly yet about this. so nigel farage is claiming victory, and that also concerns europe and others, because it's a very nagsistic white identity politics of zenxenophobia and anti-immigration. >> let's talk about how much surprise people were caught by this vote as well as david cameron's quick resignation. so what does happen now? how is this all supposed to come to be over the next two years? >> reporter: what you heard, alisyn, that the prime minister said that he himself will not invoke article 50 of the lisbon treaty. that is the article that would essentially start the process of great britain leaving the eu. he said that is for the next
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prime minister, for a brexit government to enact that. now, this next prime minister is likely to take place or come into power in the next three months, before the conservative party conference which will take place here in the uk in the month of october. right now we're in this period of absolute uncertainty where we don't know what the next three months will look like. we've heard from various european leaders and from david cameron nothing will change overnight and it's fair to say, alisyn that nothing will happen until article 50 is enacted. that don't happen for know three months. then you're looking at two years, as the negotiations begin, what will a brexit actually look like? and at the end of the day, the reality is, we are in uncharted territory here, and nobody has any answers, alisyn. >> one of those situations where as clarissa and christiane talks, as this sinks in i'm thinking about all the umbilical ties the eu created among its member states that are now the
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uk will have to not just negotiate an exit, but a continued relationship, and you have to remember, uk isn't portugal where, not to disparage portugal, but in terms of its role within the union and the need for the weaker states to rely on the stronger states, which are really just germany and britain right now. >> absolutely. >> has become increasing over time. so the concern, christiane and hearing you this morning, now that we kind of have our heads around how we got here is -- who's next? fears of immigration, calling this xenophobia which took root in the uk is not unique to the uk, as you know better than anybody. >> reporter: no. >> so we're hearing about other member states wanting to have referenda. what do you see in terms of the momentum? >> reporter: well, that's exactly what happened. the anti-immigration, anti-eu,
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that party which is going gang busters, and there's an election in france coming up next year. she has immediately called demanding a referendum. over in the netherlands, another country considered ripe for a nexit. the anti-immigration, anti-eu is also demanding a referendum. you know, one of the most concise comments after this result was clear was from germany's social democrats in the coalition there in germany, and the leader said, damn, a bad day. so they are very cognizant that they are in a really, really tricky, uncharted moment. they want to be nice to britain but they don't want to be too nice because they don't want to give any carrots to any other countries who think they're going to, you know, spin off and do the same thing. it's an extraordinary and unprecedented moment right now and it's going to take a lot of careful politics to get this back on an even keel if, indeed, that's possible.
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>> so clarissa, what's the thinking philosophically? things happened too quickly? the face of europe was changing too fast, given the migrant crisis from syria and elsewhere, that people just wanted to sort of apply the brakes here? >> reporter: i think that's absolutely right, and there's no question that particularly when you look at the events of the last year the massive influx into europe of refugees. it really hit a sore spot a real bone of contention, particularly here in the u kuchlt. what you saw, if you look at the breakdown of the demographics, what you saw is just how divided this country is. it was very interesting. scotland overwhelmingly voting to remain in the eu. but england, with the exception of london and birmingham and a few other key cities, essentially voting by a landslide to leave the eu. so it gives you a sense of just how divided this country really is, and i think it's a wake-up call for people in power that there is this growing voice of
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people who feel they haven't been heard, that they're tired of the establishment and that they want to have more of an active role and an active voice and essentially i think you're seeing the same thing in the u.s., too, alisyn. >> sounds very familiar. clarissa, thank you for that breakdown. christiane, thank you, as always, for all of your insight into this. this echoes exactly the argument we've been having during this political election. >> it does, on some levels. no question, an inflection point because of imgrace going on there what they've seen with recent waves of violence but the brits have had a problem with the eu for a long time. formation about a conditional membership never wanted the pound tied to the euro. sophisticated problems over time made manifest by this crisis. so we're hearing about the reverberations back here in the u.s. certainly a fair story line at this point. donald trump especially jumped on this ahead of his opponent hillary clinton, because he believes this type of referendum plays to advantage for him about what he wants to see in the u.s.
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election. >> right. >> so he supports the brexit calling it a great thing. just put out a long statement on facebook about it and interestingly, trump had been underselling relations with the uk and cam cameron. maybe we'll have bad relations? sara, saying we'll be tighter to the uk than ever? >> reporter: right, chris. it's clear that donald trump sees parallels between the brexit and between what's driving his own presidential campaign and the success he'd had so far in the united states and when he was speaking to reporters a little earlier this morning on his way into the golf course he called it a great thing. take a lyn. ap listen. inchs think it's a great thing. it's an amazing vote. very historic, and -- [ inaudible ]. >> why do you -- [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: now, obviously there are a lot of questions right now how the brexit will
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impact u.s. markets and also how it will impact american relationships with america and britain going forward, and donald trump pledged a very close relationship to continue with britain saying a trump administration pledges to strengthen ties with a free and independent britain deepening our bonds and in commerce, culture and mutual defense. interesting to see how he continues to address this here. remember, scotland did not vote to leave. scotland voted to stay. there are many people right here in scotland not particularly happy to hear this from trump today. back to you. >> different nations there. ireland came out differently on it, but now they're all going to have to be united in this result and figure it out together. sara, check back in a little bit. we're waiting for donald trump to make some statements on the ground and will bring them to you when he does. the themes that played out in the brexit, britain's exit from the eu, they will sound familiar to you. immigration, borders, nationalism, these are the themes that trump talks about all the time. they were at the center of the
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people coming into the country and taking over and nobody even knows who they prp they're angry about many, many things. this will not be the last. >> donald trump in scotland, there for personal business but already weighed in on what is happening there calling britain's vote to leave the eu "a great thing." let's discuss with our cnn panel. bring in political analyst and host of the david gregory show podcast, david gregory and john avalon. guys, great to you have. john, any way this morning at this point to figure out what this means for the u.s. presidential election? >> this is resonant to the u.s. presidential election, as distant as it may seem. as chris pointed out earlier, issues that motivated this vote on the populist right, immigration, frustration with trade, distant bureaucracies and concerns about borders. many of the same forces fueling donald trump's rise and conservative populism within the
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united states. he already in his brief statements today as we await that press conference is drawing a direct line between this vote and the forces that propelled him to the republican nomination. >> he has a much more extensive statement on this, that we'd like to read to you. >> oh, would we? >> yes. >> let me do that right now. here's trump's full brexit statement. the people of the united kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all frees peoples declared their independence from the european union and voted to reassert control over their own politic, borders and economy. a trump administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent britain deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. the whole world is more peaceful and when our two countries and two peoples are united together. a chance to redeclare their independence. americans have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and for's policies that put our citizens first, have the chance to reject rule by the global elite and to
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embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. i hope america is watching. it will soon be time to believe in america again. >> so, david, trump is in the right place at the right time. by planning or by chance, it's good to be in scotland to weigh in on this especially with its outcome. however is there risk in being too early in his enthusiasm for the outcome? you know there will be pushback from the bigger member states. there's going to be confusion about what this means in-house for the uk and how they move forward together. >> yes. i think all good points, no the to mention the president of the united states, who has already called for britain to remain in the eu, but i think as john was saying, there are ties, there are parallels here between u.s. politics. it's economic stress, national idea, fear of immigration. it's distrust in large institution or as global elites, something he used in his statement. i think for trump, there's a political boost in this which
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is, there's a kind of common theme that's course courseing t. the danger is a huge split in britain certainly is going to divide the eu judgment like there's a split in the american politics as well. trump has to figure out how to govern through something like this. you can't just allow the populism to course through your body and the body politic when you're president of the united states. that's the line he has to walk especially being so early and, of course, is in scotland, which voted to stay. so he's not going to fight that kind of support on the streets. >> look, i don't think donald trump is particularly interested in the nuances of governing. right? he is a broad brush bumper sticker politician. he himself right now is blurring on this trip the lines between personal business and presidential politics. governing is an afterthought to this campaign to date.
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that might change. what's different about today is the flow-through between that britain first impulse and trump's america first slogan. the fact that populism is at its heart a reaction to globalization, often driven by fear, also real concerns about increasingly distant bureaucra y bureaucracies governing folks and on the world divide we saw in this vote we see in american votes so often. london voting overwhelmingly to stay in the eu. trump sees it as a validation of a larger wave he just might surf into the white house. >> david, what lesson should hillary clinton draw from this? >> let me just say i think all was well said by john and i agree. you know, i think hillary clinton, this is another reminder of i think the potency of the trump message. we've been focused the last month on his missteps and self-inflicted wounds. in some ways john is saying this wave he's able to surf a little today gives him a political boost a reminder of the kind of
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politics, the messaging that populist angst that he brought in to the primary campaign. it may scare a lot of people, but there's a lot of people who are going to embrace it. and i think hillary clinton needs to recognize that. i think she and her own response to this needs to find a way to acknowledge what is courseing through british politics and understand what the parallels are to america and how to try to respond to that in a different way than donald trump is responding to it, because as john said, he's a broad brush bimp sti bumper sticker politician. of course not recognizing benefits that immigrants provided to great britain, for example, to the united kingdom, just as he understating what impact immigration has in the united states. this is the role she's got to play in trying to provide a broader context for all of this. >> not getting too deep on the implications is smart for trump, intentional or not intentional.
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the u.s. is a different situation. we're not part of a union. we are in many ways an island here, and you know, even he would say, other than immigration he believes he introduced into the national dialogue, he'll say, no, no, no. you still have it wrong about me. i didn't create this. i had the right read on people from the jump, why i can win the election. i was listening to people, the question is how he translates that in his message about brexit. >> whatever economic implications, the impact on the markets and all that turmoil could be a real problem for trump selling a populist message and people take it in and are worried about it. >> always inintended consequences of ef victory. so, guys, stick around. we want your insights further in the program. later this morning we'll talk with senate bernie sanders. how does he feel about the brexit vote and why is he still refusing to concede in this race
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that he cannot win? that's coming up at 8:30 eastern. also, we are waiting for donald trump to speak in scotland. there, as we said, on personal business. we expect him to weigh in as he already has a bit on the brexit vote. we'll have that for you live as soon as it happens. one domino leads to another. you have the uk by referendum voting to separate from the eu. well, now what? what is this article 50? how does it happen? where does it leave the uk? and what does it mean for the other eu members? next.
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cnn's aaron mclaughlin is live with how this plays out. what is the theoretical anyway, erin? >> reporter: well, chris, british prime minister david cameron has said he intends to step down in october and it will be up to his replacement to invoke what's called article 50 of the eu treaty. essentially an escape clause. only then can negotiations begin, and everything will be on the table, from eu treaties to trade deals, and it will involve all 27 of the remaining eu member states. they'll all get a say on each and every item. so we're looking at incredibly complex negotiation. now, according to the article, that's expected to play out over a period of two years. officials here tell me that it's likely to last for much longer than that, but after the two years, according to that article, unless all 27 member states agree on an extension, the uk could simply be
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unceremoniously kicked out of the eu without a deal. so there is a lot at stake here. senior diplomat telling me negotiationless not involve any niceties. there's not a single eu leader, he said, that what's a brexit to look like an attractive offer to other countries. they are worried about the possibility of a contagion. >> absolutely. we expect donald trump to weigh in on the brexit vote and will have it for you live as soon as it happens. trump's trip seems like brilliant political timing, though he was really there to open a golf course. what will this course mean for his campaign? we'll be right back. nice to meet you! today we're going to talk about the all-new 2016 chevy cruze,
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shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. this situation is still developing. we just got the joint statement by the president of the european council and the president of the european parliament tusk and schultz. it's interesting saying they have to respect the people's vote in the uk but do say in here, you know, article 50, it's really just a step. it's a procedure. it's not an indication of the outcome, and they say, no matter
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how painful the process may be, any delay would prolong uncertainty and very often these statements are structured to send a message beyond the words, and it seems like this could be a little bit of a mixed bag for the uk going forward. >> a lot of uncertainty thousand withousand -- how it will all unfold. >> without a doubt. trade agreements and different rights and privileges that go along with being one of those 27 member states. we'll take it through as we get more information. what we know right now is donald trump is in the right place at the right time. he is in scotland, opening a golf course. of course, scotland voted to stay in the european union. so it's not as if they're going to be waving flags in his face when he says he's happy the uk is out, but he is going to take to the podium and explain why he believes what just happened in the uk is a parallel to what he thinks should happen here in the united states. now, this is also going to mute
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what the real story was about him being in scotland. let's bring back john avalon and david gregory, also sara murray traveling with trump in scotland, because, john, the story heading into this was, what's he doing during a presidential election going to open a golf course? what does this mean about balancing business and being the statesman? should he be divesting? is it the right time? that was the story line, now this. >> exactly right. you know, look, this is one more sign how unconventional donald trump's campaign is. we know from his financial disclosure forms he gave in the month of may, 22 of his named businesses money through the campaign. unorthodox from the giddyap. here we are in scotland, where he is opening a golf course pap golf course he syd in european filings lost money, and american presidential filings made money. with the aura of being a campaign trip with the press in toe, as you say, right place, right time on a morning of
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brexit. echoes britain first, america first, he'll try to say this a is a validation of the populist wave. all conflicts baked in that cake and won't separate it. >> uncanny timing, really. >> yes. >> sara, you are there traveling obviously with the trump campaign. what's the reception been like for trump? >> reporter: well, certainly i think he has a lot of fans where he is here in scotland. this is of course, his resort and members of the club in the first couple rows behind me who have been fans of donald trump of the upgrades made mere but it's an interesting setting, chris set up. trump came out, said a couple things to reporters suggesting it was a great thing that the uk voted to leave the european union. said people are angry. voters are angry in europe and in america and this is a reflection of that. he's clearly drawing parallels with his own campaign nap is not the sentiment here in scotland. scotland voted to stay. interesting to see how he is received after he comes out and
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flushes out remarks why he thinks this is a good thing and also how he sees the u.s. and uk relationship changes if he is president. he obviously has not had great words to say about david cameron and unlike other presidential candidate visits doesn't plan to meet with anyone politicians during this trip. interesting to see how he addresses that as well. >> david, there's an issue, though, of getting out early. no question timing is advantageous, distracts from this apparent conflict of interest, doing business while running for president and what that means going forward, but going early also winds up making him commit to the verify tew ch virtue of this. what do we know about anger? we don't always make the best decisions when we're angry. right, david gregory? >> i try to take that note every day. you're exactly right and no question there's a benefit to tying this to his own campaign. the larger issue for him when he gets back and is celebrating in
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the independence of the brexit movement is that he still should be going to scranton and not scotland. i was thinking for minutes and minutes for that line. >> we know that. >> but i think that's right. what are the economic impacts, transatlantic alliance? on our alliance trade pact with europe overall? these are things he's committing himself to. it you're hillary clinton you're sitting back, looking at this and it becomes a major issue of disagreement with donald trump, answers he's now riding the wave wherever this goes in the next days and weeks and months which could be quite unpredictable. >> and that's a really important point. because you own the anger, you own the outcome. and all of the unintended consequences that come from this vote. the uncertainty, the negotiation clearly the eu will have an interest in making this as painful as possible so they don't encourage the french, the contagion. exactly right.
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this will have not only uncertainty but unintended consequences designed to be painful and difficult. if that causes its own economic fallout and a sense of regret, trump and co own that as well. it's a precautionary tale about giving in to anger politically without thinking about the full consequence. >> polls suggest voters are confuseed by trump continuing to be at the helm of the trump organization and its sort of vast resources and properties as well as running the trump campaign. maybe we can put up the poll suggesting 69% say trump should step down from his business while he's running this campaign. any indication from his campaign that he plans to do that? >> so far, no indication he plans to do that, alisyn. he said, of course, if he wins the presidency he will hand over business interests to his adult children. when you see serven and ten voters saying we don't want to see you running your company and playing politics at the same time that should send a concern to the campaign. this is at least the ninth trump
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property we visited for a campaign event, for a press conference. he's sort of made this a part of his campaign to show his properties as a backdrop along the way. experts say, some, it's a good thing. free publicity anyone would desire to have and some say now these brands are intrinsically pointing to trump. we, there's still a question about the long-term impact this campaign could have on his personal brand as well. >> david, quick last word. >> i just -- this image of sara going around having ball caps from all the trump properties is sticking with me. look, i think that the bottom line here is that this is still a strong moment for trump politically. he gets a potential bump out of this, ties it into his own politics and tries to get back to the message so potent for him in the primaries when he's been off that message the past month. >> all right. so we are hearing that donald trump is approaching the podium.
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we are going to bring you -- there he is -- i think we can tell by the hat, i will bet you that you know what it says on the front of it. make america great again. a theme that is resonating especially right now, john, because that is what the people in britain decided. they want the uk could be first. now in that context, it means something very different than it would mean in the american presidential election. they are trying to divorce themselves from a set of agreements that they believe tied their hands. they couldn't be independent. they couldn't have just what the uk wants to do. they had to keep accommodating the whole n. that is not the dynamic with the united states right now but there's obvious transferability of people being angry, angry about immigration. the differences matter. >> important ones. the original idea of the eu, the united states of europe in the wake of the first and second world war, incredibly important, because we're also witnessing
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the death of historical memory in this case. some of the benefits we take for granted from larger ay lines don't seem as urgent as the regulatory hassles and the bureaucratic meddling driving small business owners to distraction. that fuels a lot of this anger without an assumption of necessarily some of the benefits that get taken for granted that immediately get undercut by decisions like this. >> funny you should harkin back to this time because is this a press conference or the sound of music. >> the hills are alive at the sound of trump. >> yes! >> he'd coming to the podium. we see him approaching it right now. another immediate impact by being ahead of this decision the way trump is. no question. good timing, because anger is a big theme in our election. however, what's the immediate reaction from all of those european states? they're not going to like his endorsing the brexit. so now he is going to have a new built-in base of resistance, which is going to be all of the rest of europe. you're going to have germany and
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france at least as the potentates at the top of the council saying, we don't encourage this. >> he has pockets of support. a strain that believes in what trump is saying and what the brexit stands for. >> that's true, but leaders want leaders on their side. >> and the problem is trump is now with farage and closest ally cameron is gone. a big deal. >> we believe he's coming in here. david gregory, you're a man who often likes to travel with his own theme music. trump has the bagpipes approaching the podium. what do you think he needs to do here? >> well, i think he has to inject a note of caution as well. john was just saying we're losing our strongest ally in great britain and he is running a risk intervening into european affairs perhaps more aggressively than he may want to about a presidential candidate, and so i think that is a danger for him, and i like my own theme music, bagpipes, though, not usually what i travel with.
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>> more of an old school hip-hop guy. i respect that about you. >> that's actually not a joke. >> d greg he used to tag on subways in and around the capital district. people don't know that about him but we can say it now. >> this is devolving. >> david makes the right point. see what trump says. right now for americans the impact for brexit markets are tanking, meaning 401(k) as well. how will he reassure them? he's going to speak now. >> -- i forgot to -- i'm very sorry, mr. trump. >> this is is, it looks like a protest. greeted by the security detail, and donald trump, who's leaving the podium to go speak to him. >> he's -- come with some sort of visual aids and is now escorted off as donald trump takes to the podium. let's listen. >> okay. thank you very much. i appreciate it, and this is an
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amazing honor. it's an amazing day. very historic day for a lot of reasons, this is one of the big votes in the history of europe and scotland and everywhere. it was very exciting coming in, and we were landing and just heard the results. a so i wish everybody a lot of luck. i think that it's purely historic, and what's happening is historic. so it's an honor to be with you. my mother was born in scotland in stornaway. she loves scotland. she would be here a lot, come here with my sisters and they just loved it. her loyalty to scotland was incredible. she respected and loved the queen, and she loved the ceremony and the pomp, pomp and circumstance. and she was something special, and to think that we'd be here owning turnberry one day would
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be incredible. she would come to turnberry with her friends and they'd have dinner at turnberry. she didn't play golf, but they'd have dinner at turnberry. so having taken this hotel and done the job we've done with it is just an honer that i was giving the opportunity. we bought it about 4 1/2 years ago. the town council incredible. the local politicians and all politicians all throughout have been absolutely incredible. they approved virtually everything we asked for. we asked for the right things but the approval process, because it's so historic it had to go through many different layers, but every single thing that we wanted they agreed that they thought it was good and in some cases great. we've taken the lighthouse which is a very, very important building in florida, i mean in scotland, and we've taken that building and made it something really special. inside the lighthouse right now
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is incredible suites, and it's called the halfway house, because this is the ninth tee and it's called a halfway house. on the bottom, you have dining and golfers will stop and they're go and get something to eat and then go on to the 10th hole, 10th tee right next door, and it was in disrepair and all of the people from landmark, scotland, and all of the people we had to go through, i just thank you, because it was a long, difficult process getting that approved, but they really wanted to see it at the highest level, and now it's really at a higher level than it ever was, and when you see, i don't know if you'll get the chance, were ut if you do, you should try to get to see the suites, because they are two of the most beautiful suites you'll ever see and when the water's rough today, it's very calm. in fact, i've almost never seen it like this, but sometimes you have waves that are literally crashing on to this piece of are land that we're standing on. it's one of the most beautiful sights you'll ever see.
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this hole didn't exist. the royal in ancient has been incredible. worked with us on design. they've wanted to do these changes for probably close to 50 years, because they were so obvious and we've made certain changes to the course in addition to that we fully renovated the course. brand new sprinkler system, the highest level. many of the holes have been jiggered, made even longer and new greens, new everything, and yet it's the same turnberry, but the whole 9, 10 and 11, and 4, have been changed and moved out into the ocean. this hole is an example from approximately this area, you would hit over there. this was a par 4. and you'd hit over there, and it was a much different thing. now you're hitting out over the ocean. and just to the right of the lighthouse you have a green, and a lot of people think this would be the greatest par 3 anywhere in the world.
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and then 10 becomes a par 5. that the golfers know and the members know. i think we have a lot of members of turnberry radio it in the back, the captain, a lot of the members, we appreciate you being here and we have then number 11 which is a spectacular hole. also a par 3. built right on the cliffs, and that hole was moved about 200 yards to the left, and tom watson saw me and he won the british open many times, peter, right? many times. and he said, 5. he said, what a change. and he actually thought it was a very easy hole, the way it was, but he probably liked it, because he would birdie it all the time, but what we've done is, is what everybody's wanted to do for many, many decades. i want to thank martin ebert who has done an incredible job as the architect. [ applause ] and -- i called up -- i called up the
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royal and ancient peter dawson, an amazing man and great guy and talented person, and loves the sport, and loves scotland, and frankly, i said who should i use as the architect? and he did me a big favor. he recommended martin. so i want to thank you you and peter dawnson who's here with u now, headed up the royal and ancient for years and has been just a great friend and i thank you for everything, peter. your recommendations have been incredible. thank you very much. my son eric was in charge of the job. i wanted to be, really come over here and evaivanka and don came with me. gutted it down to the steel. it will be one of the great hotels of the world. already was but in somewhat dilapidated shape. a choice, fix it and break it --
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>> -- we break into donald trump's statement which is not something we often do but it's very remarkable to this point because what he hasn't mentioned yet. donald trump has been up ap the podium five minutes. has not mentioned brexit. is only talking about his golf course and other business ventures and how it came to be. discuss why he would make this choice and what the imp pla caucuses are. we have david gregory and john avalon with us. >> and incredulous januaryjanua john avalon. >> avalon, you seem to be something 20 say. >> republican nominee, the world watching and doing a five-minute advertisement for his golf course in great detail. talking about the beauty of the suites. how great the pars are on certain holes not talking about brexit. this is a summation in some ways of his campaign. in the right place at the right
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time and blows it because it's all about him. seems to be trying to profit off a presidential run and not taking it seriously. this is trumpstakes all over again after winning the primaries. completely insane. >> david is that how you see it? >> i think john understates adding suites to the lighthouse. we spent all of this time highlighting parallels of the campaign and way out ahead of where donald trump's campaign is. i'm shock head didn't immediately come out and seize on the importance of this. maybe he wanted to inject a note of caution by not getting involved. seems like political malpractice. i'm as bemused as everyone else looking at this thinking how strange. he'll clearly be asked why he didn't affirmatively say here are the parallels but we should be cautious for this or that reason. again, much more in keeping with past moss, unforced errors,
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missteps and self-inflicted wounds. if by all accounts, his own statements, he wanted to seize an draw on the parallels of it with his own campaign. >> as a student of trump for some 25 years you'll hear two thing. one, i was the first to comment on this. put out tweets and a facebook comment about it. second, i am a businessman. running for president but here on business. you people keep telling me not to conflate the two, so i'm going to talk about why i'm here. what he's going to say. >> already conflated it putting out the trip on presidential stationary, havings press corps stay at hotels he owns effectively puts more money in his pocket and not taking this moment seriously. not taking the role of global leadership seriously. if promoting your golf course is more important than talking about the huge geopolitical implications of a brexit vote, you can see that moment and seize it, how serious are you really about running for president? >> flagging, let me bring someone else in who may have some time of repose.
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christiane amanpour, were you surprised, at the podium almost five minutes and not discussing brexit? >> i was going to ask you guys whether he's allowed to come and make political speeches in the midst of a political campaign. >> he's allowed. >> in the u.s. whether he's allowed to bring that overseas. >> he's allowed. >> i don't know. we were asking for an interview. we asked for an interview. he's chosen not to. he says it's off the cuff, said it was fantastic. said the brits, that tit was a great thing. and made it clear what he thinks about this. beyond that i don't have a lot to add to his infomercial as avalon just called it. >> go ahead, john. >> yes. it is just -- he did release the tweets. someone in the campaign release
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add thoughtful statement that seemed to illustrates themes. the only thing illegal for people to do in the united states is negotiate with a foreign government a violation of the logan act. donald trump billed this as a president's moment, as part of his campaign. there on the morning of brexit. it unexpectedly turned his way bishgs which i mean conservative populists who want to reject different bureaucracies and he turned a global moment with the world watching into a seven or eight-minute add verify torial for his golf course. >> david? >> this is donald trump on the world stage at an important moment for the world, for the european community for the transatlantic alliance. it is certainly possible he could have come out and said, look, this is a really good thing but i want to be cautious. we have a lot to learn. could have been really responsible as we talked about in the run-up. take got from it and still add a note of caution. what he's doing here is saying something to voters which is
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quite bizarre, how he will be on the world stage. campaigns are about moments where you are persuading americans to imagine you in the role as commander in chief as the most important lead other on the world stage and this is what he's doing with this opportunity. so, again, at the very least, it is a missed opportunity try to contextualize what's happening in britain, as well as adding a kind of bizarre note of his putting his business interests first. so to say it's unconventional i think is too charitable at this point. >> i thought that's where he was going when he started talking about his mother's great loyalty. she was from scotland. his mother's great loyalty to scotland and turnberry, used to visit there, but he segued to his golf course. >> he didn't. noticeably his mother was an immigrant from scotland. something pe sometimes lose in anti-immigration movements. how close we are as americans to the immigrant experience. but this is, just to return to a core point of the surreal scene we are seeing, donald trump, one
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of his best moments in his anti-hillary speech the other day is when he slipped her slogan, i'm with her, i'm with you. because great president's campaigns are ultimately about something bigger than the candidate himself. or herself. it's about making a campaign a cause, a crusade. this is all about himself. he's looking at the brexit moment and not even saying it's good for me. he's not even saying it's something we all live in. he's saying, you should really come check out my golf course. >> talk about what he should be talking about right now because the brexit does matter. certainly more than trump's golf course. the reason we're covering this because he thought he would speak about this. never heard him talk longer and say less than this particular appearance. over 11 minutes. we'll monitor, when he talks about what matter we'll put him back on for you but we won't now because it's irrelevant. now he's leaving, by the way. leaving the podium right now and switching over to his son eric
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who was the planner of this golf course. he has ever reason to be at the podi podium talking about turnberry and its golf course. less discuss the implications what he's supposed to be talking on. christiane, you know the implications of brexit. do me a favor. thread through what you just saw not happen and what you expect to happen in the uk going forward? >> reporter: i said i wasn't an expert on electoral law. there's a difference. >> you're right. i stand corrected. >> reporter: what is happening here, very, very serious. my one and only lafr in the last 24 hours as the gravity of this statement and this decision by britain begins to really sink in to all of us who have been up for hours and over tired and now beginning to process it. i mean, we're walking around london, faces as long as the
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floor and jaws dropping on the floor, because this is huge. there's no turns back, and clearly, what trump represents is the fear by many, many others around europe that his kind of nationalism, his kind of populism, his kind of demagoguery, anti-immigration, xenophobia all of that kind of stuff including economic nationalism, protectionism and this and that, this is what people are afraid not just about trump but about builders, about all of the names of the leaders of these nationalist movements here in europe who want to spin off from the establishment, and that is what, the reason for everybody looking so closely at this brexit vote, because people want to figure out whether the economic argument on which most elections turn and on which prime minister cameron ran this campaign, would trump the populism that is abroad throughout our lands today. whether in your land, whether in
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this land, whether in europe and beyond. this is the fever of the moment, and that is why what's happened today apart from all of the other implications is so important, and for donald trump to represent that in the american context and to be here and to be public even if he doesn't say much about it, is, is still, you know, pretty powerful synergy statement for the people who worry about the effects of all of this. >> interesting. even if he doesn't comment on it in any sort of real way, just the optics of him being there against this backdrop of powerful. bring in sla ris kin clarissa w. talk about what this means for europe. >> reporter: alisyn, interesting. we're talking a lot about donald trump. he's in scotland and while he has been there we've now heard from the first minister of scotland, nick lirs stuholas st.
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important to know scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the european union. already talking about holding another referendum in scotland to vote on whether or not scotland should remain part of the united kingdom. nicholas sturgeon saying she thinks it's more important for scotland to be a member of the eu than great britain. already starting to see that rippling effect. there are a lot of questions about what -- okay. i'll let you get back to -- >> he's starting to take questions. probably about brexit. let's listen in. >> -- the trump administration approach the brexit, should you be elected president and scotland voted 62-38 to remain, should scotland leave the uk? as many people are talking. >> i think i see a big parallel. i think people really see a big parallel. a lot of people are talking about that and not only the united states but other countries. people want to take their country back. they want to have independence in a sense, and you see it with europe all over europe. you're going to have, in my
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opinion, more nan what happened last night, i think many other case where is they want to take their borders back. they want to take their monetary back. they want to take a lot of things back. they want to be able to have a country again. so i think you're going have this happen more and more. i really believe that and i think it's happening in the united states. it's happening by the fact that i've done so well in the polls. look at the recent polling, and you look at the swing states and you see how i'm doing and i haven't even started my campaign yet essentially. i mean, we've done very well. we're raising a lot of money for the republican party. i'm going to be funding a lot myself, but we're raising a lot of money, john, for the republican party. you'll see those numbers come out over the next 30 days in particular 60 days. the numbers that were put out last week were just the very start. a very small period of time, just a start. but we have raised a lot of money. especially money coming in in small, from small donors. you'll be amazed when you see the kind of numbers we're talking about, because we were
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amazed and i was amazed, but that will be reported fairly soon. i really do see a parallel between what's happening in the united states and what's happening here. people want to see borders. they don't necessarily want peop poural into their country they don't know where they're coming from and have no idea. flo not only did it win but by a much bigger margin that people thought. >> how would your administration -- >> embrace. it's will be the people. not a question of approaching it. it's the will of the people. always the will of the people. ultimately that wins out. >> would you like to see -- should scotland leave, sir? >> what is taking operation here in britain? >> nobody knows. look, if the pound goes down they're going to do more business. when the pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry, frankly. the pound has gone down, and let's see what the impact of that has, but places like scotland and england and different places, in great britain, i think you'll see a
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lot of activity. the pound got high, and people weren't able to do maybe what they wanted to do, but for traveling and for other things, you know, i think 2-it-could turn out to be a positive. nobody really knows. you'll know in five years, be able to analyze it maybe it will take longer than that, but what is known they've taken back their independence. and that's a very, very important thing. yeah, katie? >> momentous right now and you are on the world stage. are you traveling with any of your foreign policy advisers? you knew this would happen today some sort of decision. are you huddling to find out the best way -- >> i've been in touch with them, but there's nothing to talk about. i've been saying i would prefer what happened. this would be a good thing. i think it will turn out to be a good thing. maybe not short term but ultimately a good thing and i've actually been in touch. some don't like it, by the way some do likeit. they're advisers.
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somebody said, gee, you should use advisers that have been really hot the last five years. i said, really? i think i want to use ones that haven't been involved. look what's happened in the world. go ahead, katie. >> reporter: a special relationship, u.s. and uk for quite some find. with this vote, standing in europe, in the world, diminished, influence diminished. will they still be the first call from the u.s.? >> i don't know. first call, second call, a powerful call. a great relationship. thabl great aal l allies alwayse been and i think zero will change on that. >> mr. trump, do you believe the u.s. should move immediately to re-do trades and should the uk now move to the back of the line in light of the brexit vote? >> president obama did say, i guess that they should move to the back of the line nap wouldn't happen with me. the u chachk has been a great ar
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such a long time, always at the front of the line. amazing allies in good times and bad times and sometimes they make mistakes together, as we know, but always been great at lies. i wi allies. i was surprised when i heard president obama say that, and i think he said that because he thought for sure it was going to stay together, but it didn't stay together and i felt it wouldn't stay together and again i think that's what's happening in the united states. it's not staying together. it's a really positive force taking place. they want to take their country back. the people want their country back. we don't want to lose our jobs, our borders. they want wage increases. they haven't in the united states, for members of turnberry, we've had hard-working great people that haven't were a real wage increase in 18 years. so they're working harder now and making press money. so -- go ahead? >> a quick follow-up. the treasury secretary, fed chairwoman won't expect this, if
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the brexit was successful to have a negative impact on the u.s. economy. are you worried about that at all? >> they don't know. look, we have to see how it plays out. what i like is that i love to see people take their country back. and that's really what's happening in the united states. and i think you see that. and that's what's happening in many other places in the world. they're tired of it. they want to take their countries back and this isn't such a phenomenal like some people are saying. when people ask me what i thought would happen, as you know, i said i think they're going to break way. it's turned out that way and surprising. polls indicated probably it wouldn't happen. 80%. when i landed this morning, the first thing i asked is that. and i mean it was fairly close, but it wasn't that close. so we'll see what happens. i think it will be a good thing. you're taking your country back, let people you want into your country and people that you don't want or people that you don't think are going to be appropriate for your country, or good for your country, you're not going to have to take.
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and you know, look, europe, like the united states, has made tremendous mistakes over the last period of time. look at germany, some of the things happening. there have been tremendous mistakes made. i think it's going to end up being a very good thing, but it will take time. >> mr. trump -- >> tom? >> your campaign has gotten global attention, all over the world people know who donald trump is and your campaign for president. do you think anything you said in the united states influenced voters here in britain? when it comes to leaving the eu? >> a good question. if i said yes, total influence. they'd say, that's terrible. his ego a terrible. right? i will never say that, tom. i'd like to give you that one but i can't say that. look, the question was -- what do i think? i gave my opinion a few times over the last few months but also said i really don't want people to listen to it it's not me. it's about them. it's their country. but my opinion is that what happened should have happened. and i think they'll end up being stronger for it and control
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their country and control everything about their country. yes? >> amanda walker, sky news. david cameron said you were wrong when you proposed banning muslims from the u.s. do you think he got the mood of his country wrong and was right to resign? >> i like david cameron and he had a couple of rough statements, but that's okay. i think david cameron's a good man. he's -- he was wrong on this. he didn't get the mood of his country right. he was surprised, i think very surprised to see what happened. but he's a good man, and he ntht way and probably did the right thing, but we'll see what happens, but i like david cameron. yes, sir? >> from bbc news. do you think following your arguments about sovereignty, should scotland have its independence? do you support that? >> that's up to the people of scotland. we've been through this and i leave it up to the people. i love the people of scotland. that's why i built, i built in aberdeen one of the great golf
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courses of the world. it was just a judge to be the greatest course ever built new. new defined from 1960 to present, and you know, we're very proud of it. and i've gotten to know the people of scotland so well, and you know, through my mother and through everything else, and the people are scotland are amazing people. and you know that question really has to be addressed to the people. it was a very, very close vote. i don't know that people want to go through then again. i was here when going through the vote. i didn't take sides, but i'll tell you, it was a nasty period. i can't imagine they go through that again, but the people of scotland may speak differently. yes, sir? >> just from what you said as well about europe and other countries in europe, would you support the breakup of the european union, because that seems to be what would happen. >> well, it looks like it's on its way and we'll see what happens. i can tell you i have a lot of friends living in germany that have always been very proud
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germans, to a level that you wouldn't believe. they would be bragging about their country. they could be talk be about their country as though there were know other place. members of maralago and different places i have. now the same people, some of them, are saying they're leaving germany, moving. never even thought of moving. now are thinking of moving because of the tremendous influx of people. you know what's happening in germany. it's a real problem. these were people that were very proud germans beyond belief. they thought the greatest, that there ever was and now are talking about leaving germany. and you see the problems in germany. so i could see it happening. i have no opinion, really, but i could certainly see it happening. i saw this happening. i could read what was happening here, and i could see things happening in germany. i hope they straighten out the situation, because you know, it can really become a nasty, can be very nasty, what's going on could be very, very nasty. building safe zones in syria.
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great idea. building safe zones, magnificent, big, safe as can be, but when you're taking them into the united states by the thousands, and wwe don't know w they are, taking them in germany and other countries and all you have to do look around, look around the world and see what's happening. there's some real problems. >> itt news. it is easy for politicians to use immigration to divide electorates. how does a leader unite people? >> you unite people by having a happy country, and when people pour into the country and it doesn't work, whether it's because of crime or various other things, you're not going to be uniting anybody. i just told you about germany where people want to leave germany. people i would neviller in a million years say these people want to leave but they're going to be leaving. so you can't unite a country by forcing things down the people's throats. that's what happened here. people are not happy. yes, sir? >> -- immigrants in it?
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>> yes, go ahead? >> referendums having a seismic impact on the economy. do you expect to steal back investments in scotland and how does it feel to be on the -- [ inaudible ]. >> if anything, i have big investments in europe. as you know i own dunebag in ireland, a phenomenal hotel. one of the most beautiful hotels. one of the most highly rated hotels in all of europe and it's got a golf course on this large almost 500 acre parcel of land, on the atlantic ocean, and does great. i own turnberry. i own aberdeen. i'm going to go stop at aberdeen for a little while. i'm actually leaving, i'm only here one night because i have to go back and campaign, which i actually love doing, to be honest. really i wanted to support my children who have really poured their hearts and souls into this development. >> mr. trump -- >> but, you know, i think you understand. yes, go ahead? >> speaking of campaigning, a lot of people in the states are saying, did you really have to be here for this? >> yeah, because you know why
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i'm here? because i support my children. okay, next -- yeah, tom, go ahead. >> fund-raising. you mentioned you paid for turnberry without any debt. >> right. >> now you're a politician. does it bug you to have to pick up the phone and ask people to donate to your campaign? >> yeah. i don't like doing it, tom. again, i'm an honest politician. probably one of the few. tom's asking does it bother me to, when you're raising money, again, tom, i'm raising this money for the republican party. something i've never done. i've always contributed money to lots of people. a lot of campaign contributions over the years. and once i ran i became like an outsider. but, no. i don't like doing that, but vie done it and we've had amazing weeks. last week i was in houston, as you know. we had tremendous lines. made a speech also and the line was actually on abc they reported, abc local, followed the lines all the way to the highways. it was actually -- never seen anything like that, and then dallas where we had a similar thing. but we also had fund-raisers and
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i'd never done. sit with 20 people, we talk, they all hand you checks, bing, bing, bing, and checks to the republican party and i feel i have an obligation to do that and, tom, the numbers are going to be i think quite staggers, especially in july. steve is here someplace. are we doing well? one of the great financiers of the country, actually, and i chose him, and he -- he wanted to do this, and the numbers are staggering. don't forget, we just sort of started this process a few weeks ago and the first fing was for a very limited period of time and it was almost before we started, but the numbers are amazing. actually, the numbers for the small donations, we've taken a lot of money otherwise, but the numbers bourfor the small donat beyond anything that we thought. you know, the $20, $50 and $100
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donations. we'll report in june, especially the july report i think will show you some pretty massive numbers. >> mr. trump -- >> mr. trump -- >> still -- i just did it the other day. i matched. right? i put up $2 million and i say, you know, let's see who's going to go, and we've raised more than $2 million. i guess i offered a $2 million incentive for people to put up money. i don't know if that was the reason but we had a tremendous response to that. david? >> i'm david -- with the -- >> i know, david. you don't have to say. david, go ahead. >> back to the breck xit thing. you said david cameron may have misread his country. hillary clinton made it clear she prefer the vote remain. what does it say about hillary clinton maybe misreading the world and a former secretary of state, what does that say about her campaign? >> she's always ms. read everything. don't you think? misread this? i was surprised, she was so
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bold. the only reason she did it obama wanted it. if obama wanted it the other way if he said leave, she would have said leave. she does whatever he wants her to. you know why, but we don't have to get into that. i was surprised, president obama come here and be so bold as to tell the people what to do and i think that a lot of people don't like him and i think if he had not said it i think your result might have been different, but when he said it, people were not happy about it, and i thought it was totally inappropriate. and when i said what i said, i told people, i said, don't do what i'm saying necessarily top do whatever you think, but this was just my opinion. he came in and really tried to convince between people to stay and i thought it was inappropriate and then she doubled down and she did the same thing and -- obviously, for the 219th time, they were wrong. they're always wrong. and that's the problem with them. yes, sir?
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>> mr. trump, from lbc radio. david cameron resigning today. would you back boris johnson as the future prime minister? >> i don't know him. i don't know him. i'm sure he'll be good. he got it right. so that gives limb an advantage, but i don't know him. >> mr. trump -- mr. trump -- >> since your campaign shake-up, i guess it was earlier in the week. i can't remember what day it is now. we've seen a campaign that's become more focused, aggressive in rapid response, you, more on point i think that we've seen you in the past. is this the new you? >> i really don't think so. first of all, corey was fantastic and we did a great job with a some are small group of people. i say this to all the folks here that don't come from the united states, i ran a campaign in the primaries where we got the largest number of votes in the history of the republican party, primary votes. larger than ronald reagan. larger than richard nixon. larger than dwight d. eisenhower who helped win the second world
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war, and we ran a very lean campaign, and i had fewer people and i spent less money and funded the money myself. i spent, $55 million, something like that. >> i think it was $45 million. >> and by the way, i'm forced, you know, legally, i have to pay myself back. if i use -- nothing to do with the campaign. you won't see this, to support my children, but it i use one of my resorts in the united states and we have a press conference or something, by law i have to pay myself back. i would like not to. just say use the ballroom, don't bother with it. a couple people said i pay. by law you have to pay yourself back. i think this -- i think that we should have been given credit for, in addition to winning, for winning with less money spent and with the smallest staff. so now we have a staff of 73 people. and hill lay a staff of 900 people. i won and she won. i don't think that we -- i mean, hon negligently, as a
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businessman i say, wow. he won with spending less money and a small are staff. i view that as an advantage. pundits say, she has a much bigger staff. i think we're very nimble. very nimble. doing well. you've seen the polls comes out. they're very close and very equal. one just coming out i think from west virginia where i have a 25-point lead and north carolina came out yesterday a two-point lead. ohio's even, pennsylvania's even. national polls are getting very close and i'm spending much less money. she's spending tremendous amounts of money and we haven't even started yet. going to be very interesting because she spent, what was it? $28 million? she spent a lot of money, and we're even. and that's a good sign, and i think that's a good sign. when i won new hampshire i spent a tiny fraction of what other candidates spent. one in particular. i won new hampshire by a landslide. that person came in seventh. i think, you know when you can do it on a small are budget, and
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with fewer people, that's the kind of person they want to be the president, because to me that's a big thing. yeah? go ahead, sir? >> mr. trump, seven in fen voters told us in a cnn poll they want to see you cut ties with your business while running for president. >> i will do that. >> will you do that? while running, though? >> i will do that. >> well i don't think it matters while i'm running. while i'm running it doesn't matter. i'm here for the soul reason, though i did want to see the job eric did. he he didn't do a good job he wouldn't be standing here. i would give him a hard time. right? he did a beyond job. beyond. this is phenomenal and just as you view this great course you have to see the hotel we built. phenomen phenomenal. i will absolutely cut ties. the rules are, nobody knows. okay? it's never had to, where somebody has this big a business and runs for president and wins. if i win, even though i don't have to do that i would probably put everything in trust. my children will run it along
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with my executives. it's a big company. my children will run it along with my executives, and just do a? job running it. let me tell you, the importance of the opportunity that i may be given is so important and so massive, making great trade deals with china and with you, folks, by the way, but with china, the numbers are so staggering. you look at trade deficits of $400 billion and $500 billion a year, the numbers are so staggering and incredible, i wouldn't even be thinking about the business. i would actually say, who cares? no. you don't have to do this but i would most likely put it in a blind trust and they would run it or something. >> this is the ninth trump -- this is the ninth trump property we visited during your presidential campaign. why do you continue having events here? >> my properties, number one i have the best properties. okay? you can say that. i will say say the of the press
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has said whether you like them or not, there's no properties like that. i have the best properties and you don't get to see that otherwise but i have the best promise and the other thing is why should i use somebody else's properties? number one, they're not as good and number two it's one of those things. i wish, frankly, i wasn't forceed by law to pay myself back. we're forced to pay. you do understand that, sir? a couple of people said he's paying to his campaign. i'm not paying to my campaign. i would love to give everything for nothing. by law i'm forced the fair market value of a ballroom or an airplane. by law i have to pay it back and that's what i do and reflected in the filings. jeremy? >> mr. trump, there's been a long-standing tradition in american politics that politics stops at the water's edge. given your comments about president obama this morning seems you don't seem to buy into that? >> he didn't stop it at the water's edge because he made statements about this incredible part of the world. and that this particular country
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and frankly a large group of countries should do -- i mean he's constantly dictating to the world what they should do. the world doesn't listen to him. obviously, you can see that by the vote, but he's constantly dictating to the world, and importantly, got to totally wrong and he's embarrassed. embarrasses by the supreme court decision yesterday, a real rebuke, and very embarrassed by, he got involved. i don't know if in was through a friendship with david cameron. could have. i understand friendship and i can understand why he did it but i think it's something he shouldn't have done. it's not his country or his part of the world. he shouldn't have done it and i actually think that his recommendation perhaps caused it to fail. one more -- one more question. yes? >> how much is the brexit vote do you think is about economic issues that you've been hammering home on the campaign, low wages, lack of growth in the economy? >> i think a lot of it is, but i
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think a lot of it's borders, a lot is immigration. i think i've spoken. i have so many members here. hundreds and hundreds of members sitting in the back and i've spoken to them and they're not happy with the people flowing into the country. they don't want that to happen. and i think that has a lot to do with it. i really think the borders, you know, it's not so different. amazing the way the world is not so different. we're on the other side of the ocean but the world is not so different. we're right over there. you go, many, many miles flight that direction. and to be honest with you, i think a lot of it has to do with immigration, but i also think a lot of it has to do with the fact that they wanted to be independent. got tired of seeing stupid decisions just like the american people are tired of seeing stupid decisions. whether it's the iran deal. ether it's the border where people just flow across the border like swiss cheese. they're tired of seeing stupid decisions made. they're tired it of looking at horrible trade deals. and you have bad trade deals here, too, and so i think that
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has a lot to do with it. >> the brexit deal -- [ inaudible ] your campaign? >> well, i think the brex it deal, i think when you talk about leave, you know, i felt, again, knowing that people here very well, but not wanting to get involved, but i felt that was going to happen. i felt it was going to happen and there is great similarities between what happened here and my campaign. yeah. people want to take their country back. okay. maybe one more question >> recently -- [ inaudible ]. >> i almost delayed this. you know, by the way, they said there were going to be 2,000 protestors. turned out, we counted them. 43. and they're way over there. 43. the police did a great job, but it was nothing much to do, frankly. there were 43, just on the record barks we heard there would be thousands of protestors. 43 pshgs a 43, and my members are very happy with donald trump. is that a correct statement?
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they love donald trump. they love what we've done here and this is a little what we'll do to the united states. you know, the united states has rotted infrastructure, roads that are crumbling. i have a friend hoop a trucker, a big trucker, one of the biggest in the world, business brand new magnificent trucks it, and nerve her this problem before. they're getting destroyed because the highways are loaded up with potholes. and when you have an 18-wheeler or 16-wheeler and you have big, massive trucks, going down a highway at 65 miles an hour, and they hit a pothole and are loaded up with tons of stuff, he said those trucks, no matter how did they are get wiped out. that's what's happening to our country. this is a mini example. members love us, scotland loves us. our council member here, do we have council members here? yes. the council has been so incredible and, you know, it's
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just been a big lovefest. what we do is, the united states needs its infrastructure fixed. you know, the bridges are a disaster. the roads are a disaster. my friend told me. he said, he's nerve her a problem like this before. you go down the highways in a brand new truck, costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, virtually it's destroyed. they have to bring it back and have it rehauled because they're hitting potholes on highways. our infrastructure is crumbling in the united states and we spent probably, if you add it up now, $4 trillion, maybe more than in a in the middle east, and we have a problem. >> the country's not a golf course. >> it's not. we have been listening to a press conference there with donald trump in turnberry, scotland. at first when he came out and gave his statements he talked just really about his golf course and the turnberry resort, but of course the press wanted to talk about the brexit vote and he has been talking about that ever since. we bring back our panel of david gregory and john avalon. a lot of remarkable moments in
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this. john, tell us what has jumped out at you. >> first of all, he blamed effectively the failure of this vote, the success of brexit, on president obama backing the idea that britain should remain. so he politicalsized president obama own standing with cam reign saying it would be bad for britain if they left the eu saying this was essentially his fault. the world doesn't listen to barack obama. a lot of clearly domestic messages that donald trump uses throughout this, drawing a direct line, however, belatedly to the idea, us frfrustrationin jobs, and infrastructure. implicated others might be following, france and others. puts him clearly on the side of the leave, the splitaway. he imagined the eu could dissolve a position a delight no one more than vladimir putin and other folks. putting himself on the side of spriftists in the eu.
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a rejection of president obama and hillary clinton. >> to keep things somewhat straight. trump said very often here in the united states he was against the war in iraq. we've had a very hard time, to be honest, we can't find it. i can't find him ever saying he was against the war until was well underway and everybody said they were against it. said he thought the brexit vote would come out this way, and he did say that in an interview. he said he -- >> in march with piers -- >> he said i think this will happen. calling that he predicted this is more of a fact-checking thing whether or not it's the right decision. what he just said up there on the podium is i think the eu should dissolve and said that before, that it's become very difficult with bureaucracy and really screwed up with immigration. how do you think those statements will play, especially at this time? >> reporter: well, i think people will expect exactly those statements from donald trump.
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he's made it very clear that is his view. certainly he backed the brexit. he did, you know, talk about it before he happened and backed it since its happened. that is, of course, what really worst, not just donald trump, but the actual fact of what might the british example be in terms of the effect it might have on europe as a whole. so european leaders are incredibly aware without donald trump's statements in any event around this vote of what they must do to make sure, you know, the single market continues, that europe will continue. and i think, you know, you heard a lot of, they've taken back their country, taken back their country. the thing is, from what? because it doesn't apply here to britain, but it is the most powerful line that the brexit has used, and boris johnson and all the main faces of the brexit campaign said, take back control. take back control. take back control. and that is what sunk into people's minds. it was incredible powerful mant
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mantra, but what did it really mean? because this is a sovereign country. it makes most of its own laws. the overwhelming majority of its own laws governing just about everything from obviously war and peace, taxes, finance, all of that in parliament behind me. a small number of laws relatively made in europe, and they are about the big, global problems that need to be addressed. for instance, the environment. for instance, you know, regarding trade in the single market. for instance, obviously, the free movement of people. but that's part of the european project. so this take back control was incredibly successful, but didn't really mean there was no sovereignty in this country. it's a slogan but an effective slogan. >> and believe that part of what it means, clarissa you can address this is take it back for the people who belong here. he spoke a lot about germany. he said he has friends in germany who used to be very proud to be german, but now are considering leaving. these are the issues that
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precipitated this vote. he spoke obliquely about what the problems are. he referred to in germany, but we can decipher that he means the immigration issue. >> absolutely, alisyn. one of the mantras of the speech you just heard, take back their borders, take back their borders, take back their borders and there's no question that the issue of immigration has galvanized and divided this country. but when he talks about taking charge of your country, the real question is, what does the future now look like for great britain? because we are now in unprecedented territory, and there is not a clear path ahead. the prime minister announcing his resignation. he will only be prime minister for the next three months, and then it will be up to a new government to essentially navigate the very murky waters ahead as britain starts to extricate itself from the european union, and there are a lot of questions here, alisyn in terms of whether the eu intends to make this easy or very hard
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for the uk. clearly, they don't want to set a precedent, an example to other eu countries that may also consider trying to exit the union. so while everyone on the leave campaign may be trumpeting this result today and saying, we're going to take charge of our country again, there are still a lot of questions as to what the future will look like for great britain. >> well, there's no question about that. even, you know, short estimates have it at taking two years to unwind. the implications, several years after that to figure out. in terms of assessing how he played this so far, do you have, david gregory, donald trump getting sideways with the leaders of the european union and angela merkel, because she's just put out a statement saying that the european union must remain strong and is strong enough to have the right response to the uk leaving and that it is necessary. he's putting himself on that point, but on the plus side debating here at the defrsk,
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didn't go after immigration. non-committal about defining -- >> alluded to it. >> you know, for trump that could be seen at progress. >> well, bottom line is she tapping into the anxiety in europe and the brand of politics that he is bringing to the u.s. as well that has made him successful but also alienated a lot of people. he is now wading into the deep waters of our relationship with europe, and the future of europe, the economic shocks that may result from all of this, and this can expose real gaps in what he knows about international affairs or even gaps in this communication how he would try to govern in that atmosphere. he taushgd a lot more about this is business guy than a potential world lead perp there's pluses and minuses to that. this is the first draft of what trump put out there today. >> david, john, christiane, clarissa, thank you very much for doing this. we're just starting to figure out what happens here, and we'll keep covering it throughout the morning. >> sure will. much more on all of this breaking brexit news from the uk
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a will be speaking with former british prime minister tony blair. what does he make of everything that's happened as well it's a bernie sanders. >> what a team thez would would make. first, we'll break down what you just heard from donald trump, applauding the brexit result saying he called it, that it's an especially good thing and it's the same thing that's about to happen here. is this the type of outcome that would put donald trump over the top? next. sir! it's the president!
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trump threw us a curveball this morning. he was tweeting and on facebook about the brexit then took to the podium and close to 15 minutes didn't say a thing about it. but the press got ahold of him and he started to discuss it. made a lot of states about why it happened and what it means back here. says it's a great thing for the uk, and he thinks it would be a great thing if the european union itself were to disband. let's discuss. our cnn political director david chalian and trump supporter kailee mcenany and former new york city council speaker and hillary clinton speaker
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christine quinn. what is the plus/minus for donald trump in this situation? >> listen, i think a cap to a pretty good week for donald trump. take the immigration ruling from the supreme court yesterday, or non-ruling, add this to it, and he gets to start putting a full message together that resonates with not only his supporters but potentially some folks in america who are just starting to tune in and just starting to pay attention. listen, he did not go there and sort of bang the drums of independence as much as you may have thought. he just sort of went to that podium and when he started taking questions on it, chris, he sort of explained why the uk voting to be a free and independent people is something that makes sense to him, and he looks forward to an election in november where americans can express their free will as well. i think that this sort of, all the events this week kind of put
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a narrative thread together for him that was not about the wall, not about deporting 11 million. these are the things that have been dividing his party so terribly. he is starting to talk in a way i think is trying to stake out his positions in a way that invites more people into them. >> hmm. christine, you are a supporter of hillary clinton. what can her campaign glean from everything that we've seen over the past 24 hours? >> first i want to say i think what the american public and the world can glean from donald trump's performance this morning is 15 minutes on golf in the size of bedrooms, and only discussing this major international development when asked by reporters. >> what does that tell you? >> it tells me at the end of the day, end of every day, donald trump is about donald trump. everything he does is to move his business, his brand, which is a sad word to use when talking about running for president of the united states to move it forward. it's not about the american people or the world.
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>> that said, we haven't heard from clinton yet, christine. >> remember, he's in a different time zone, it's early in the morning and you will flare secretary clinton, but rest assured she's not going to spend 15 minutes talking about a golf course or anything of that nature. she's going to talk about this from a world view, answers talk about what this means, i believe, about people's desire for greater income inequality, for creating jobs for moving the country and the world forward to greater economic opportunity, and also, you know, david mentioned the issue of the immigration ruling. i obviously, you know, completely disagree with this kind of ruling/non-ruling. that said, i think it is only going to underscore the terribly racist message donald trump put out around immigration and this morning even the commentary you all were having, we're kind of noting he didn't attack muslims. since when did we judge candidates for president of the
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united states and give them gold stars or browny points because they didn't attack people? and he used the word, you'll get to decide, the people who are appropriate for your country. whether you say it politely or blatantly, appropriate? what does that mean? looks like you, people you feel comfortable with, not diversity, not immigration. >> go ahead. >> first i want to point out the reason donald trump starting speaking about his golf course this is about his son. a trip celebrating what his son they'ved. about his family. did the right thing starting out talking about eric's achievement. pivoted. talking to reporters talked about brexit. he first got off the plane he said, this is a great day for scotland and said in a humble statement, if i've given the opportunity to be president of the united states i'm not even going to be thinking about myself business. i'm separating my ties, not thinking about it. i'm thinking about the $400 billion todss 500 billion
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deficit with china. a powerful day, it allows you to say hillary clinton wants to take you where they are. they've rejected unbridled borders, and hillary clinton wants to take you where europe is rejecting. >> not for nothing, scotland voted to stay in, a, and i don't, you know if he wants to go across the world and congratulate his son on a job well done, i think that is lovely. he is also, yes, a father, but the presumptive nominee of the republican party for president of the united states. he could have gone, said congratulations, eric. great golf course. didn't have to give us the dimensions of the bedroom and thread count in the rooms and moved on to world affairs. he could do both. not 15 minutes and he didn't speak of brexit. he answered questions. that's very different. >> david settle this argument. should he have immediately addressed brexit, because
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that's -- he was on the global stage, or was he just there as a supportive father? >> i think at end of the day this doesn't really matter. once the cycle moves on 15 more minutes, the debate what he said about his golf course at the top will go away. he opened himself up to criticism, obviously that his opponents will certainly make note of, but i think the larger divide, the hillary clinton/donald trump race, sharpened today in the sense of, you know, donald trump representing a faction, trying to appeal to a faction in the country that does not want to see all the change that is going on, versus this sort of inexorable demographic change we're seeing in our country and i think that demographic divide is where this trump/clinton race is going to live through november.
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>> all right. appreciate it, guys. there's a lot to be decided in what brexit means abroad and in the eu and how it will reverberate back here at home. in our next hour we'll talk to senator bernie sanders about the brexit vote and ask why he is still in the race. that is coming up at 8:30 eastern. first, the top story, the uk voting to leave the european union. the people were given the power and they made the decision. what does this mean for the uk? former prime minister tony blair knows better than most, and he's next. is getting relief. only nicorette mini has a patented fast-dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. i never know when i'll need relief. that's why i only choose nicorette mini.
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i will do everything i can a as prime minister to steady the ship, but i do not think it would be right to try to be the captain at that steers our country to the next destination. this is not a decision i've taken lightly, but i do believe it is in the national interest to have a period of stability. >> breaking news this morning, in a stunning decision, the people of the uk, voting to leave the european union. that decision costing prime minister david cameron his job. joining us to discuss the fallout is former british prime minister, tony blair. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i know you did not want britain to exit the eu. what do you make of what has happened in your country today?
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>> well, it is a huge decision. a momentous decision. probably for the global economy as well. we've got to try to stabilize the situation in the short-term, because i think in the days and weeks ahead, there will be a lot of uncertainty. the prime minister has an enormous job on his hand to bring people together. there is no hiding it. it is a huge decision. because we've got a whole set of relationships that have grown-up over the last four decades in europe economic and political nature and somehow we're going to have to disen tangle them. >> half of the traded in the european market. we need to have access to the market. we have to renegotiate all those agreements, and one of the complications is we're going to have to renegotiate them with
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all 27 other governments, most of them will have votes in their parliaments, some may have their own referendums, and then of course the european parliament. the british economy is a strong economy, they're resilient people, but there is no hiding the fact it will be a big challenge. it has big implications for politics across the world. this was a movement, a very strong insurgent movement. it took people from the left and from the right in the unity against the european union, immigration probably being the biggest factor. but it is a big experiment in insurgent politics. >> is donald trump right to see this brexit vote of what might happen with other countries in the eu? >> i think, you know, a lot depends on what actually happens in the next few days. i mean, just today, we have the
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pound has fallen in a way not seen for decades. we've had i think roughly $200 billion wiped off our financial stock market. i hope this doesn't happen, but there is talk of downgrading our credit rating, which would borrowing cost and spending and taxes. so i think a lot depends on what happens over the next months, but there is a huge feeling across europe, i mean, britain has voted, but the rest of europe is also in a state of anxiety about europe, the direction these issues, like immigration are enormous in politics today. what i'm saying to my colleagues, the center ground has to get its traction back. we have to rediscover our ability to find radical powerful answers in a climate that is often driven by anger, and by a revolt against that is perceived
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as established wisdom in the political class. but often as people try to make difficult decisions and difficult circumstances. >> and prime minister blair, how did you lose your footing? how do you explain why the people of brittain feel so different than the political class? >> well, first of all, by the way, this is a really divided result, and actually divided country. i mean, 52%/48%, it shows you how strong the feeling was on both sides. i think there were a lot of people who were labor voters and who dislike the government, and saw this in part as a protest movement, and i protest vote, where it was an actual decision. the immigration, people see this as force of globalization changing the world and they worry about it, because it is changing their lives and communities. it is displacing jobs. my view is that the answer is not to shut ourselves a you have
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from the world. in fact, isolationism makes our problems worst. but this is a big argument we've got to have, and we have to accept from my side of the debate that we lost that argument yesterday. >> what do you think this means for the u.s./uk relationship? >> we've got to do everything we can to keep it strong. because it is such an important part of the way the world works. but i've always believed that britain is a better ally for the u.s., and i strongly believe in our alliance together. if britain is also part of what is the biggest political union in the world, which is the european union. so if we are marginalized within europe, i worry about the consequences of our ability but obviously we've good to work on that and do everything we can to preserve the relationship because it is so important. >> prime minister david cameron immediately announced his resignation following the results of this. was that the right decision? >> i mean, look, i understand
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why he did what he did. i think the important thing is, he is going to stay for the next couple of months or so, and that will be important, because i think what actually happens in these next days and weeks will be really important. we're going to have to try to bring the country together. we'll have to stabilize our situation. we'll have to try to think what new relationship we can have with europe. because we do have this intense trading commercial economic relationship. so there are a whole set of economic, political security stretches that we'll have to reevaluate now. so i think it is important that with the experience he has as prime minister, he stays for at least this initial period. but obviously it will be difficult. we'll have problems in scotland and other parts of the uk, because scotland of course voted strongly to stay in europe. i fear there will also be renewed calls there already are for another scottish referendum. >> prime minister tony blair,
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thank you for taking time for us on "new day." >> thank you. we're following a lot of breaking news this morning, so let's get right to it. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning everyone. welcome to "new day," it is friday, june 24th. 8:00 in the east. the u k's historic vote, having an impact with prime minister swift announcement that he will resign. unity of the uk in doubt. the reaction, the immediate one is that the markets are plunging. even wall street is bracing for the same. the futures not looking promising. the question is how long will this continue and why. speaking this morning from scotland, donald trump suggests that the hot button topics that pushed the uk to leave could help him over the top in november. we've got the big brexit vote covered the way only cnn can.
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let's start with clarissa ward in london, a busy place to be, my friend. >> reporter: that's right, chris. walking around the streets of london this morning, the words you heard over and over again, astonishing, momentous, stunning. they woke up this a deeply divided country and also now a country that is facing the very real question of what comes next. a shocking and historic decision. the united kingdom voting to withdraw from the european union. >> i love this country. i feel honored to have served it. i will do everything i can in future to help this great country succeed. >> reporter: british prime minister, david cameron, who opposed the exit, issued stunning news of his own, pledging to step down. >> a negotiation with the european union will need to begin under a new prime
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minister. >> reporter: the brexit, causing major ripple effects around the world, rattling markets and raising complicated questions about trade, travel and immigration in the eu's 28 country block. the uk split in its decision. scottish voters overwhelmingly voted to remain, and english voters who mostly supported the exit. apart from london. >> i guess it is the same in america, the trumps, the haves and haves not. that's what is playing out now. it is a huge political result. >> reporter: a key motivation behind the leave movement, immigration. >> what we want is immigrants who will come to our country and who will be able to contribute. >> reporter: railing against the influx of migrants from other eu countries pledging to control their own borders. >> we don't want open door migration. what happens is big business actually suppresses the wages
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and the aspirations of ordinary people by bringing in unlimited number of cheap labor. >> reporte >> reporter: this man, one of the campaigners to leave, says it is time for britain to cut from the eu brireeu. the world's fifth largest economy tries to disengtangle itself from the european union. in the union now, will this spread, will other countries try to leave the union, and we have already seen, chris, leaders of anti-immigration parties on the right in france and the netherlands, coming out and demanding their own referenda, chris. >> that's a little bit of the concern, right, there thewill t
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domino effect here, we'll be watching, this situation of divorcing the eu could take two years. so donald trump sees a much more immediate benefit to the brexit vote. he is actually in scotland, there for business. it wasn't politics that brought him there, but politics that has him in the spotlight now. sara murray is in scotland, where he just reopened one of his golf courses to much attention, unintended perhaps. >> reporter: yes, there certainly was a lot of attention, chris. donald trump spoke about his golf course, as you can imagine, the questions were mainly focus on the brexit. trump admitted he sees a lot of parallels between this vote and what has been fueling the success in the u.s. he believes this is a good move for for the uk. >> i do see a parallel between what's happening in the united states and what is happening here. they want to see borders. they don't want people pouring into their country that they don't know who they are and
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where they come from, they have no idea. i think, you know, not only did it win, but won by a much bigger margin. it is the will of the people. it is not a question of approaching it. it is the will of the people. it is always the will of the people. ultimately that wins out. i don't know, first call or second call, there will be a very powerful call that will be a great relationship, they'll be great allies. they always have been. i think zero will change on that score. david cameron is a good man. he was wrong on this. he didn't get the mood of his country right. >> reporter: you saw trump say he believes if he were president, he would immediately move to renegotiate these trade deals with the uk, a split from what we heard from president obama in the past, who said they would have to move to the end of the line. we saw trump essentially dismiss questions about how this might impact the american economy. we heard from many economic leaders worried this could have a negative impact. we've seen markets broiled by
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this. this was not a political trip, donald trump definitely delved into politics, traditionally when a candidate travels abroad, going after president obama as well as hillary clinton. >> well, she has always mis read everything. she has misread this, and i was surprised she was so bold to say -- the only reason she did it is because obama did it. i was surprised president obama would have been so bold to tell the people over here what to do. and i think that a lot of people don't like him. a lot of people voted, i think if he had not said it, i think your result might have been different. but when he said it, people were not happy about it. i thought it was totally inappropriate. when i said what i said, i told people, i said don't whatdo what i'm saying necessarily. do whatever you think. but this was my opinion. he came in and really tried to
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convince people to stay. and i thought it was inappropriate. then she doubled down and did the same thing. and obviously for the 219th time, they were wrong. they're always wrong. that's the problem with them. >> reporter: now, trump has made it clear throughout the campaign that he has no problem bucking convention, clearly criticizing the president, but it comes to the rest of this trip. while presidential candidates have meetings with foreign leaders, donald trump has none of that on his public schedule. he is in turnberry tomorrow, stopping at another properties in aberdeen tomorrow. >> unconventional on every level, sara, as you point out. thank you for that reporting. president obama not in favor of the brexit decision. cnn suzanne malveaux is live from the white house with that reaction. suzanne. >> well, alisyn, this is an extraordinary development overnight. the president aware of what's going on.
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he is on the west coast today in silicon valley. ale reach out to the prime minister later today. we won't hear from him until about 1:30 eastern time, so we expect he'll talk about this. the white house being cautious in its tone, but clearly disappointed. we did hear from the vice-president who is in ireland. he said earlier today, we preferred a different outcome, but the united states has a long-standing friendship with the united kingdom and fully respect the decision they've made. america's special bond runs deep and will endure. but alisyn, this is something that the president personally put his political capital on the line when he went to dlon. this was back in april for two days. making the case here that the united kingdom should not get out of the european union. we have interests that are tied, economic interests, national security interests and trade interests. he said that the united kingdom would be put in the back of the line, would not be as forceful
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or as strong, aligned with the united states, if it pulled out of the eu. here is how he made his case. >> our focus is in negotiating with a big block, the european union to get a trade agreement done. uk is going to be in the back of the cue. >> reporter: in a case he is making there is that as the uk is diminished, seen as a country that is now going it alone when it comes to such critical issues with the military influence and economic influence, that the u.s. too will be diminished. these two, the a lie yanlliance critically important. the president will have to establish another relationship, a different relationship with the new leader as well. chris, alisyn. >> you know, we're focusing on what this will mean now going forward, but history matters here as well. the european union of course was created in the spirit of what it
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created two world wars, a need for unity, and hyper nationalism. and now those concerns are renewed. that is, are we going to go that way again into silos. let's bring back clarissa ward along with nic robertson and ryan heath. senior eu correspondent at politi politico. nick, you've covered this so closely for so many years, the immediate impact seems to be clear. the markets are shattering, because of this. we don't know how long that will last, but it is a negative instinct. why? >> it is a negative instinct because it raises fairs and concerns about britain's ability to trade, britain's ability to develop the kind of income that it has been used to. it is about concerns and fairs over its position in the world. britain is, you know, is on the permanent fiber of the un security council. it is on the g7.
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it holds leading positions in the world. it is boxed above its weight and the concern is it may no longer do that. i spoke with a friend this morning who heads one of the exchanges in the financial center of london here. he told me, and these were his words, a man of many, many, many decades experience of working at the top end of financial services sector here in the uk and across the w0rorld. he described the markets as going bonkers, and he thought it would last for several weeks, and after that hopefully settle out, settle out at a place in sterling at a lower value than it was prior to the referendum, that is, britain's economic will be diminished. that's why we heard from boris johnson, one of the leaders in the leave campaign. he said there is no reason for david cameron to leave. the essence of the moment is for
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the political leaders here to coalesce around cameron to try to project some stability towards the markets, the hopes that the market can hold stabilize, and these are early days and we're waiting for the rest of the world to fully react. >> ryan, just to follow-up on that, in fact, i spoke to british prime minister tony blair, who said that is his biggest fear. what this will do to the british economy, as well as having to renegotiate all of the existing contracts with each european country and country in the world individually. just the massive repercussions of what we're seeing today. >> absolutely. and if you think about this in the short and the medium term, it is the worst of both worlds. you have all the instability, you have all the competition, frankfort, paris try to take away financial services, and still locked into the same rules and rigidity that all of those people who are passionate about voting leave, were trying to
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escape from. those 100,000 pages of eu regulations directives and rules, they're still sitting there tomorrow and will take years to get out of them. the people who said two years, i think it is more three, three and a half. >> we have the unwinding and the sentiment of all the agreements. there will be layers of transition. claris clarissa, one of the driving issues was control over immigration, right, and that's why trump is trying to draw the parallels to the u.s. elections, because that's a theme here. it is such a different situation. you have so much more mixing within europe than you do have concerns of that here in the united states. is there any reason to believe that the uk will change fun da mentally -- fundamentally out of its borders. >> it is important for the viewers to understand that even within the eu, britain maintained the right to control its own borders. it is not part of the so-called
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shengin zone. now, the issue of immigration is one that has galvanized, and it has reach aed a fever pitch. economic migrants pouring into europe, many of them ending up in continental europe. the reality is few of them have ended up here in the uk. this an issue that deeply polarizes this country. you see scotland resoundingly voted to remain in the eu, but england, with the exception of london and a few other large cities, resoundingly voting to exit the eu. while immigration is absolutely, you know, one of the primary factors, if not the primary factor in this election, in this referend referendum, it is important for the viewers to remember that euro skeptics have been a huge
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part and vocal voice inside the uk for decades now. this is not a new phenomenon. this goes back quite sometime and appears that the immigration and the refugee crisis of the last couple of years really gave them the head wind to take that frustration and turn it into a victory. >> nick, i want to ask you about something that president obama said in the piece that we just played, and that is, he was against the brexit decision or vote, and he said that this will mean that britain goes to the back of the cue for dealing with the u.s. then donald trump said britain will never be in the back of the cue for me. they will be at the front. it is so important to preserve th that alliance. what does that mean? >> well, certainly when president obama came here and said britain would have to go to the back line of the line, it seemed like a lifeline for dave cameron for his remain campaign.
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very quickly, the leave campaigners took it and went to other people, who said no, we wouldn't have to wait so long. so when they hear now from donald trump saying no, you won't have to be at the back of the line, you're going to say see, we told you so, we were right. this will imply they will be more implicitly more perhaps willing to align themselves to support donald trump in some way. obviously politics is a lot more complicated than this one issue. i've just said that, but look what happened last night. you can boil it down to this one issue, because that is absolutely this issue of immigration is what swung the vote here, without any shadow of doubt. so what does it mean going forward. i think it means really that the discourse in britain is going to change over immigration. that there will be efforts to put tighter controls, and perhaps will be some greater
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political alignment, if you will, with the thinking of donald trump. look, the leave campaign is a divided one. you have real right wing on one side and sort of some more centrists towards the left hand, left end of the spectrum. but at the moment, you know, i think they're still finding their way. what donald trump has said is perhaps more beneficial to donald trump than to those aspiring to the new political opportunities coming here in britain. but absolutely, they're seeing, will see common cause. >> nick, ryan, clarissa, thank you very much for all of your expertise with this. coming up, we will speak with senator bernie sanders about this historic day. this brexit vote. we will also ask about the presidential race here. and why he is not yet conceding in this race. that's coming up later this hour. stick around for that. so hashed -- hard to argue
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people want to take their country back and have independence. you're going to have many other cases where they want to take their borders back. they wants to take their monetary back. they wants to take a lot of things back. they want to be able to have a country again. i think you're going to have this happen more and more. donald trump visiting scotland. trump was there on personal business, though, to deal with his golf courses. joining us now is trump surrogate david wall.
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david, thank you for being here. we have to talk about this highly unorthodox morning we've just had. it is historic, obviously in terms of what britain has decided, but then donald trump goes to scotland, and he holds a press conference in front of the press and does it for 15 minutes, doesn't talk about brexit. was it peculiar? >> i thought it was awesome. take it from a dad who sings the praises of his kids all the time, it was a wonderful break from the rigors of the campaign. he went over there to talk about this fantastic golf course, which is seen as the pebble beach of scotland. that's the human element of him, it makes him so incredibly attractive to so many millions who support him. i thought it was wonderful. inevitably, he was asked about brexit and hand dled it well. yeah, make america great movement maybe at this point has transcended international borders, and people in britain are saying look, if donald trump
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can rise through power basically under a nationalism theme over globalism, then by gosh, why don't we do the same thing here in england where we feel we're losing control of our borders. that's what they did, and the ripple effect is clearly there. >> so david, you're saying that you think it started first hear, that it was that what donald trump is saying in making america great again, then caught fire in britain and that's why they voted this way? >> yeah, i think a legitimate the idea, they were in fear to some degree. when they see the rubber stamp they gave to donald trump, they feel you know what, there is something to this. we can do this. we're not racist. we're not afraid of immigrants. we just want control over immigrants who come from a hot beds of islamic terror before they come into our country. we want them vetted. donald trump, one of his to main
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themes, economics and vetting potential immigrants from the middle east, and they're doing that now. i thought they really handled it well. i think at this point they've sent a strong message that will come back over to america in november and this is very ominous for hillary clinton, because it has legitimized donald trump's platform basically. >> well, we just spoke to former prime minister tony blair from britain who says he has grave concerns about all of this. particularly what it will mean for the economy. we're seeing the markets plunge and how to disentangle them from the deals. donald trump said something interesting. he said well, look, when the pound loses, it is good for turnberry. that's his golf course. he was suggesting that, hey, it will be better for tourism. is that the right message to be sending to the people of britain, and america today? >> well, he is a businessman. he is always looking out for the economic aspects of any
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particular issue. you know, i don't know whether that will happen or not. it is a magnificent course, and he wanted to show scotland what it is. everybody knows he is a great businessman. in our case, in the united states, his economic platform of having jobs for americans over immigrants is something that rings true. e i've got a lot of hispanic friends who aren't offended by building the wall and keeping illegal immigrants out. bottom line, they want their families to prosper and hispanics in most cases are americans first, like all of us. so i think that trump, everything is starting to settle in and people are realizing this guy is legit, this guy's ideas are going global and a lot of people who may not have voted for him before because of fierce that he was a litt-- fears, wil him. i really look forward to the
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convention. >> david wall, thank you for sharing the perspective of an arden trump supporter. >> thank you, alisyn. >> let's get to chris. senator bernie sanders, he has loomed large in this election. he remains that way, because he hasn't been clear about what the way is forward. he said no, no endorsent yet. working with the clinton team. working with the platform for the party to make it as progressive. let's try to get some answers and some finality. here is the senator joining us onset. we're going to talk to him next. but she just can't see it. so excedrin worked with me to show my mom what i experience during a migraine. excedrin relieves my pain and symptoms. but their dedication to migraine sufferers doesn't stop there. oh my god... i'm so sorry, honey, that you go through this. now i finally feel understood. experience more stories at excedrin.com
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in an election of great uncertainty, there are certain things we know for sure. senator bernie sanders changed the race. he vowed to transform the democratic party and he did. he vowed to take his fight to the convention, and he has. in fact, sanders has refused to end the campaign and officially endorse hillary clinton because he needs to see what the platform is first. how will this play out for his party. let's discuss the matter of the day, the brexit vote and political implications with the senator. senator sanders, it has been a pleasure to cover this. we look forward going forward. first, let's deal with some specific political housecleaning, and then we'll get to brexit and the implications. no endorsement of hillary clinton. simply stated, when the day comes in november and sanders has to cost his vote, to whom does it go. >> in all likelihood, hillary clinton. >> when you say all likely hood,
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what percentage? >> here is where we are right now, chris. i want, i believe this country faces enormous crisis. i believe our pol particulars and economics are dominated by big money interests. i believe the democratic party has got to become the party of working people, prepared to stand up and take on those special interests. we are working right now as we speak with the clinton campaign trying to see what kind of agreements we can work out. and b, as we speak in st. louis tonight, there is going to be a big debate about platform. we're going to try to make that platform as progressive as we can, then we're going to orlando, where the whole committee meets. we're going to off a whole lot of amendments to make it progressive. my job right now as a candidate is to fight to make sure that the democratic party not only has the most progressive platform in the history of the democratic party, but that platform is actually implemented by elected officials. >> i get it. what do you have to have to be
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satisfied? what is the minimum requirement? >> i'm not -- i can't say that. it doesn't work that way. i need to hear secretary clinton making it clear, for example, just i think what we have shown in this campaign is there is enormous support for making public colleges and universities tuition free. think that's good public policy. it is good politics. it is what we should do. >> she has talked about debt free, which i know is different than free. >> it is not only -- it is the definitely devil is in the details. i would like to hear her say yes, you know what, in america, when we talk about public education, it is no longer good enough to do up to 12th grade. it has to include public colleges and universities. i would like to see her say that. there is something wrong we're the only major country on earth, we should raise the minimum raise to $15.
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>> all right, obviously this is still political, and it is still about leverage and it is very obvious what your leverage is. however, you have to think about the implications of playing out the leverage. when you say in all likelihood, who else would you vote for? >> certainly, look, let me be clearful and thank you for asking that. i'm going to make sure that donald trump is defeat zd so zero chance you vote for donald trump. >> oh, god, please. >> how about gary johnson? >> no, no, i don't know mr. johnson, but i don't -- you know, i think -- >> trump says your for teres shou -- for ter your supporters should be looking at him. >> he does not understand the people who have supported me. the people who have supported me are not going to vote for a bigot, the cornerstone of his campaign insulting mexicans, muslims, women, veterans, african-americans. that is not the candidate i believe the people who voted for me will -- i'm going to do
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everything i can to defeat trump. what a campaign is about and i know you understand, this is not a basketball game where you win and lose. what i'm fighting for is to see a transformation of american politics, so that we have a government. i know this sound rhetorical, but many people want to see, a government which actually represents ordinary people, not just the billionaire class. that's the fight. that means health care for all. raising the minimum wage to a living wage. making public colleges and universities tuition free. dealing with the crisis of climate change. you got a guy like donald trump who refuses to even recognize the reality of climate change. >> he did at his golf club in scotland. they filed an application saying they needed certain remediation because of the effects of global warming. so i think sometimes it is about context. what people on your side of the fence say, on the democratic side, we hear senator sanders, he has brought up the right issues, but if he doesn't get with hillary soon, there is no
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chance of any of these things getting put into power, because they're not going to happen if trump becomes president. so sanders need to weigh how much he exercises his leverage and for how long. >> well, what our campaign was about, and it succeeded in doing, is bringing a whole lot of new people into the political process. people who previously did not vote. and i think that is a great benefit to the democratic party. because as you know, democrats win when voter turnout is high. i'm going to be very active in this campaign. i'm going to be running all over this country. we have in our movement, i gave a speech last thursday, and i said to people, we need you to get involved politically, run for school board, run for state legislature, 20,000 people responded. we're going to be supporting people at every level of government. every level to get involved and to stand up and fight for a better america. >> does the time come when you think you've put both arms around and give a big hug to hillary clinton? >> well, we'll see what happens.
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i mean, i can't answer that without hearing and seeing what hillary clinton is prepared to stand up and fight for. >> even though you know the ambivalence is damaging to her campaign. >> what i am trying to do now is number one to do everything i can to defeat donald trump. number two, what i am trying to do is develop policies in this country which stand for working people. you asked me, you know, i don't have the votes to become the democratic nominee. you know that, i know that, right. we're good in math. if we can force this, raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, deal aggressively with climate change, think you know what, a winning campaign, that's what i'm trying to to. >> what is your chance of getting that? >> we're meeting tonight. >> look, you know this. i say it with all due difference. what if it is in the party platform. what is the chance those things get kmacommunicated.
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>> a platform is a piece of paper. it could be ignored the day after. >> shouldn't you be pushing for your position in a clinton administration if that happens than just the party platform. >> that's what we're doing too. >> your poker face is terrible. >> the next things we're going to do together is play cards. what do you think would be the ideal position for sanders, no senator, just in case you believe you don't want to be senator any more and you could serve better in another capacity, what are some of the ideas? >> well, what has always interested me is reintegrating american democracy. i want a nation in which people are debating the real issues facing our country. i want to see this country have the highest level of voter turnout, not one of the lowest. i want to see people getting involved in all levels of public life. that's kind of reinvigorating
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the american democracy. >> what is the government's role? >> very important. >> no position jumps to my mind that's in charge of that. >> you're asking me what -- i'm very happy as vermont senator. >> who knows. right now, i love my state and i'm very proud to be a senator from vermont. >> do you think there is something you could have done differently that would have made you the nominee? >> well, you know, i think at the end of the day, you would probably agree with me in saying we did a lot better and went a lot further. >> absolutely. >> by and large, we ran a great campaign, but as i look back, are there things we could have done better, were there mistakes we made, yeah. >> any regret when you're walking around up there in vermont that you know what, in truth, these are legitimate issues, i should have gone after clinton more for the legitimate issues about whether it is e-mail or judgment about these different scandals that keep seeming to come up. >> no, that one i really don't
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think twice about. because i think there is a profound disgust in this country for the kind of politics that, you know, hey, i'm great, chris cuomo is terrible and awful, a miserable, vote for me. >> the berners are going to come after me all day long. >> i don't think people want to hear that any more. what they really want to hear, i'm proud of, you've heard me rant and rave about media, the need for us not to be talking about how terrible somebody else is, why is the middle class in america disappearing. >> but when you look at trump, his success, purely a function of the kinds of tactics i'm saying you avoided, it doesn't make you think, well, maybe, that's what you needed to do in this campaign to get into a position of power. >> i should have been sending out tweets attacking hillary clinton, and cnn will say bernie sanders says hillary clinton is blah, blah, blah. i don't need that. what i want to talk about is the
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real issues. why the middle class is disappearing, the need to have health care for all people. public colleges and universities tuition free. the need to deal with poverty. do you hear many people talking about that, chris? >> no. >> i think we should. highest rate of childhood of any major country on earth. it will not be based on personal attacks against somebody else. it is not what i believe in. >> do you think it will be important for you to shore up the confidence that clinton won the nomination fair and square. the idea of a rigged system, i get your concerns about the laws, and i don't think they're farfetched. but the system is what it is and an undercurrent on that bernie was box dollars out here. this was unfair. that doesn't help your nominee. >> right, no, i think the system has many, many flaws. but we knew what we were getting into. you and i just chatted. in new york state for example, 3
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million people who are not registered -- >> closed primary. >> i think that's absurd. i think the whole super delegate situation that we have right now is absurd. did i know those rules and laws when i got into it, sure, i did. i'm not saying that they changed the rules, no, they didn't. >> brexit. >> yeah. >> donald trump happens to be in scotland. he says take a look here. it is about to happen back home in the united states as well. now, look, i know there is a lot of complexity and contrasting features from the european union than in the united states. but the fact that people are angry, they want to take it into their hands, they wants their country back, and a lot of about is about they don't like who is coming into their country, immigration. do you think there are parallels. >> by the way, if donald trump is in scotland right now, he may want to look at their health care system, which is a national health care system, which guarantees health care to all people as a right. he might want to tack a look at that, rather than throwing millions of people off of health care, as he wants to do.
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i think the issue of brexit is an interesting one. if you look at the history of europe in the 20th century, an unbelievable amount of bloodshed we've got to overcome this, bring countries closer together, that's a wonderful goal, which i certainly support. on the other hand, in terms of the global economy, in europe and the united states, while it is great for ceos to be running to china and making investments in china, they're for getting about the millions of workers who lost their jobs. middle class in this country, disappearing. poverty, 47 million people, we cannot ignore the reality of so many people in this country who have been hurt by the global economy. >> if what happens here is what happened there, that does seem to suggest that donald trump would win. >> donald trump is not going to win. he is not going to win, because the american people will not elect somebody who is a bigot. i would hope that secretary clinton begins to understand that she has got to stand up and take on the big money interests.
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whose greed is doing so much harm to our country and make it clear to those low income people, those working people, that she is on their side. >> how does clinton, now i'm going to put you in a role you've been reluctant, which is the main clinton surrogate, how does she beat trump on big money when you look at her donor list and they're all the big bangs and big law firm, when you like at the money that goes into the global initiative, big countries represented there, time and questions aside about when they gave the money. trump, self-funneled. i don't need their money, i don't want it. bern berniesq berniesque. >> when hillary is here, you ask her about it. >> you said you're going to do everything you can to keep donald trump -- >> to defeat trump. >> this is a main argument. >> you're right. it is an argument that will resonate with some people. what i'm trying to do right now
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is say you've got a choice to make. you want money from wall street, corporate america, that's fiep. but you won't be the party of the working people. there is an old folk song. >> tell me the song. >> which side are you on. do you remember that? >> i do. >> i think the democratic party has got to make it clear. it is on the side of working people. >> they say the rules are what they are. you need money, this will be a billion dollar election, trump gets all this media time because he is outrageous and provocative things that get people going, the media that resonates with media as well. we need to combat that with ads. that takes money. don't handcuff me, bernie. >> if there is anything we prove, chris, in our campaign, that's not quite accurate. what we ended up receiving is individual -- 8 million individual campaign contributions averaging 27 bucks from 2.5 million people. many of them working people and low income people. it blew me away the kind of support we received. if you are prepared to say i'm
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on your side, i need 50 bucks, you know what, those people will make that contribution. >> do you have confidence that you can make the case to the berners, those who feel the bern, that the democratic party is the choice for them? >> that's a good question. that's a -- >> that's the only kind i ask. >> not always, chris. come on. don't flatter yourself too much. >> somebody has to. >> that is the question where -- the question we're asking the democratic party right now. we're getting two response. i can tell you in some states we've been in, the local leadership has been great. they have welcomed people in, they've been fair. in other places, they've said hey, we really don't want the unwashed to come in, we don't alike the young people, they're too loud, too aggressive. we've got a good situation here. that's the debate of the moment. will the democratic party open itself up to young people and working people and become a party of the middle class and working class, or will it
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continue to spend its time raising money from the wealthy and large corporations. >> help us pull the curtain back. who is "they?" they say they're giving us a hard time. who is "they?" who should be talking to? >> the chair of the democratic party, debbie wasserman schultz? >> not well. i think she is is not the kind of leadership that is the democratic party needs to welcome new people into the party. >> so how do you get it done, if you don't have -- you do not have the relationship you need to have with the person that makes the decisions. do you want the clinton campaign to override and going to them directly more. >> we are talking to the clinton campaign, but the bottom line, the focus of what we are trying to do now is go to the grassroots. right now, i'll be in syracuse tonight, supporting a progressive candidate running, eric kingston running for u.s. congress. i'll be doing that all over the
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country. i'll be helping somebody who is running for state legislature. we're going to try to get people involved from the school board up to congress. >> how confident are you that hillary clinton can beat donald trump? >> i think everything being equal, she should be able to beat him. the american people, again, understand that you can't elect somebody to be president who does not even believe in the reality of climate change, who bases his campaign on bigotry, hundreds of billions of dollars to the top, i think she can be. >> senator sanders, as somebody who had the privilege of talking to when you laughed at me, the suggestion you should run for president, i hope you take satisfaction in how you changed this race. >> chris, that's very kind of you. >> we look forward to you going forward, senator. >> thank you. >> all right, alisyn. >> are you taking credit for his campaign? >> no, but i'll tell you what, the senator was on, and i said if you're going to talk about these issues, get in the race.
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he was like ha-ha. now look at you, you have your own hashtag. >> he is still laughing at you. the brexit ripple effect, we'll check global markets with wall street's opening bell, fast approaching words no one even knows.
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global markets plunging this morning by the uk's vote to leave the european union, including the u.s. market. let's bring in allison cossit from the stock exchange. >> it is not looking good. tailspin from asia overnight, plunging from 4 to 7%. europe, frankfort, london, paris, we're seeing similar drops, anywhere from 4 to 7%, guess who is ready, the opening
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bell in about 35, 40 minutes, expect the dow to drop 500 points at the opening bell. why, well, a lot of uncertainty as to what this brexit will mean. what does it mean for u.s. companies, the u.s. economy. they're throwing it into gold, u.s. treasuries. it is pushing interest rates lower. by the way, mortgage rates are at three year lows. you're going to see them go lower. if you're looking for any glass half full here information, it is that mortgage rates are expected to go even lower, because you're seeing investors rush toward treasuries. what does it mean for your 401(k), i would say buckle it up and get ready for a rougher ride. don't look unless you have strong stomach, alisyn. >> as you pointed out earlier, allison, you have that imbalance with the pound and the dollar right now so not a bad travel opportunity, but silver lining on what will be a bumpy ride. all right, so tease now to
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officers rush to stop a man on a city wide rampage. talking to the two officers who went beyond the call of duty. >> officers rushed toward reports of gunfire. it is june 7, 2013, santa monica police are in the middle of a city wide rampage. first, a house on fire, two people dead inside.
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then random gunfire, a man with an ar-15 rifle shoots a woman in this car. spraying bullets into a bus, injuring passengers. the library at santa monica college, two people, shot in their suv in a cam pause parking lot, another one gunned down as a man walks into the building. santa monica police officer robert sparks was a block away. they packed the library. you can see them scrambling. the gunman, slowly pacing. he has killed five people across the city already. his rifle, visible, as he methodically moves room to room. >> i heard shots that sounded like a rifle. >> as officer sparks runs to the front of the library, another cop arrives with santa monica police captain, only a small handgun. >> we knew what we had to do.
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i said let's go. we're going to form up and find this guy. they're standing with his back to us with the suspect. he turns and points his rifle at us. he is wielding the gun one-handed, shooting at us, while getting shot at. getting hit. >> in your mind, are you thinking this guy is shooting at me? >> it's something that i wouldn't wish any officer would have to go through. >> after you fire your weapon, what is that like as an officer? >> it's hard. it's hard to know that you took that life. whether it was, i mean, again, you can compartmental lies and say i needed to, i had to to protect other lives. >> do you realize how many lives you've stafaved, both of you? >> each and everyone of those rounds could have been fatal. i know without a doubt we were supposed to there be and we saved a lot of lives. >> cnn, santa monica,
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california. >> wow, that is powerful to hear the aftermath for even police officers, who are trained to do this and take that vow to do this, how hard it is. >> trained, but still human. they live and experience everything they go through in way we can't imagine. our breaking coverage of the brexit vote will continue right now on "newsroom" with john berman, who is in for carol costello. >> a lot going on today. "newsroom" starts now. good morning, i'm john berman in for carol costello. thank you for joining me. brace yourselves, folks. this is an historic moment. stomach unsettled and wallet bruised. the united kingdom voted to leave the european union, and financial, this wille

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