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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. donald trump about to announce his plan for a new immigration ban and it's not just muslims anymore. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this time, the campaign says trump wants to ban immigration from countries with terror links, not just mud limbslims. is he flip-flopping? is this what vote want how hear? plus, elizabeth warren fak s takes aim at the gop's presumptive nominee. >> that's what donald trump is,
guy who wants it all for hi himself, because watch out, he will crush you into the dirt to get whatever he wants. >> and hillary clinton likes it. >> i do just love to see how she get s under donald trump's thi skin. >> so were you just looking at the democrats' dream team? is that them right there? we'll discuss. let's get to cnn's sunlen serfaty with a big day on the campaign trail. we're learning information tonight about what donald trump is saying about his immigration plan and the temporary ban on muslims. what are you saying? >> the complete and total ban of muslims coming into the u.s. was a central part of his primary campaign. he announced it with great fanfare back in december, but we do know now according to sources the trump campaign is looking at tweaking that policy, changing
that policy. we know that that now no longer will be a complete ban on muslims coming into the u.s. but rather a ban on immigrants coming from countries that have some link to terrorism. that includes countries that are training and equipping potential terrorists and we do not know a specific list of countries yet. the trump campaign has promised me specifics and more details, but we do know now that this new policy memo and directive from the trump campaign right now is being written and completed. >> all right. let's now turn to the democrats, sunlen. hillary clinton, she and e l elizabeth warren held an event together in ohio. listen to this. >> donald trump says he'll make america great again. it's right there. no. it's stamped on the front of his goofy hat. >> i must say, i do just love to see how she gets under donald trump's thin skin. >> i mean, sunlen, they were dressed alike. are we looking at a
clinton/warren ticket? i mean, they seem to be having a great time. are we looking at a clinton/warren ticket? that seemed to be the right message today, right? >> they seemed right on message together and both seemed very effective and today getting under donald trump's skin, he really wasted no time being baited in again by elizabeth warren today, really not relenting in the temptation to go back out after her. we heard donald trump in an interview today calling elizabeth warren his trademark nickname for her, pocahontas, calling her racist, called her a sellout, a fraud, a litany of criticisms coming in rely from donald trump today. certainly that knphoto on, as y noted, they were both dressed in blue today and did a lot to fuel additional speculation. i do think hillary clinton played a bit into that today. she praised elizabeth warren many times on this campaign stage, called her terrific. you know, praised the work she's done over the years.
certainly you could say that today was a test drive for her as a potential v.p. pick. we've been told by sources that we should not rule out elizabeth warren's name as being a potential vice presidential pick for hillary clinton and certainly her role that she's taken on as an attack dog of donald trump would potentially be a big reason if that pick does come into fruition. >> all right, sunlen, thank you very much. appreciate your reporting.
donald trump changing his tune on his proposed ban on muslim immigration. listen to what he said. this was back in december when he announced the ban. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [ cheers and applause ] >> all right. i want to bring in now cnn's mark preston and mr. fareed zakar
zakaria. fareed, what's your reaction to trump changing his ban on muslim immigrants to a ban on immigrants coming from countries with links to terrorism? >> well, the policy was absurd to start with. you look through what he's gone through, he began by saying a total and complete ban on all muslims. it included tourists, included the king of jordan, included everybody. it was so absurd he then said, no, it's just temporary, it maybe doesn't include officials, maybe doesn't include athletes though he said i don't know of any muslim athletes. i guess he hadn't herd of muhammad ali. he goes on to explain it away in various other ways. now he's come up with this new policy.
it's as idiotic as the first one. so let me give you two examples. he says countries, you know, which have a history of supporting terrorism, i don't know what he means by that because very few countries explicitly are doing it. there are groups within countries. take afghanistan and iraq. lots of terrorism has come out of there in some way or the other, but large numbers of people in afghanistan and iraq
are fighting isis and al qaeda, dying supporting the united states, providing intelligence for them. are we saying we're never going to let any of those people come into this country? those people who are on the front lines of terrorism, doing our dirty work and risking their lives every day? the problem basically is with terrorism, you're trying to find needles in haystacks. you know, these are very small numbers of people. what trump keeps going, he adds more hay. it doesn't solve the problem. it was an idiotic to start with, the reset is still idiotic. >> it sounds like he's still saying muslim countries even though he's saying with ties to terrorism, but he's saying muslim countries. >> presumably because otherwise ireland, france, spain would be -- >> is this a sign donald trump, i hate to use this word, pivot, pivot to the centsencenter and his rhetoric? >> he wouldn't say so.
he'd say we all misinterpreted what he was saying. donald trump doesn't like to describe himself, don, as a politician, but in fact, he is a politician. i think he's more of a politician than he is an ideologue. as fareed points out,thy wasn't a well thought out policy position about how to deal with terrorism and try to stop it from coming into the united states. what it was was donald trump saying something at toff the to his head and doubling down on it. what we're seeing now as we're heading into the summer wooer, in the summer, in order to win and defeat hillary clinton, he has to come to the center more and has to, quote/unquote, moderate his positions or at least try to explain them and put something on them. otherwise all he's going to do is continue to attract the same voters that won him the republican nomination but that's not enough to win you the general election. >> it sounds like someone in the campaign has definitely gotten the message on that because people have been saying that all along for months and months and months no s now. the question is, mark, before we
move on a little bit, is that going to help or hurt him because this has been sort of one of the centerpieces of his campaign, this immigration thing, this ban on muslims, the whole mexican thing. then is this going to be viewed as a flip-flop? can this potentially hurt him? does it matter? >> i don't -- you know, i don't think for donald trump flip-flopping is actually a bad thing. we saw when john kerry ran back in 2004, being a flip-flop was terrible. it did hurt him politically for donald trump, flip-flopping means his positions are becoming more acceptable and more accepting to a greater bloc of voters, so, new york i don't think this necessarily hurts him. be interesting how he plays this out over the next few days because we've seen this happen in the past, don, where he has back tracked a little bit then doubled down again. we'll see what he does in the next 72 hours. >> there are also two new polls out, "washington post"/abc news poll shows clinton 12 points ahead of donald trump and the "wall street journal"/nbc poll showing him five points ahead. there's a big difference.
how close is this race? >> well, look, i mean, at this point hillary clinton was with elizabeth warren, right, don, in cincinnati, ohio. that says something. the reason being, you got to win ohio. donald trump tomorrow will go to pennsylvania to give a speech on trade. where does he go after he leaves? he goes to ohio. so the race is close, but it's really going it be fought in just a handful of battleground states. let's keep a close eye on pennsylvania, ohio, let's see how donald trump does in states like maine where he's going to go on wednesday. he's going to go up there. a very independent electorate. let's see what he does out west because he's coming out here to colorado on friday as well to give a speech to the western political action committee conference. so a bunch of conservatives gathering. so it is going to come down to about seven or eight states, don. >> fareed, you know, the latest polling also shows hillary clinton and donald trump still have very high unfavorables. clinton at 55%. trump at 60%. it's clear a lot of this has to
with trust. >> a lot of people tell pollsters they don't trust me. i don't like hearing that and i've thought a lot about what's behind it. and, you know, you hear 25 years' worth of wild accusati accusations, anyone would start to wonder. and it certainly is true. i've made mistakes. i don't know anyone who hasn't. so i understand people having questions. now maybe we can persuade people to change their minds by marshaling facts and making arguments to rebut negative attacks, but that doesn't work for everyone. you can't just talk someone into trusting you. you've got to earn it. >> she said she has to earn trust and that's the first time i've heard her speak that candidly about it, for that matter, you know, do you think donald trump needs to do the sail thing as well? what hillary clinton is doing? i thought that was a very interesting -- i like that moment. >> i think with hillary clinton, people have, i think, the general feeling is that she's
too guarded. y you're getting too much of a facade. the more she lets people in, the more i think she's able to open up, be honest, reveal things about herself. i think it goes against her nature. she's a very private person than people realize. in trump's case, i don't think that's the problem. the problem is he's seen as a loose cannon, seen as somebody who is reckless. he's seen as somebody who, 70% of voters say they're uneasy at the prospect of a trump presidency. that's -- it's the do i trust you u in the sense, frankly, are you crazy? are you, you know, do i trust you with your hands on the nuclear button? robert gates, the former republican secretary of defense says, i don't think i would trust him with the nuclear codes. that's a different level of trust. that's a trust about saying i think this man does not have the character and temperament to be president of the united states. >> mark, similar question that i asked fareed, i wonder if she needs to do more. web i said i like that moment, i think many voters like moments of humility, moments when
candidates are real and seem vulnerable. >> right. >> does donald trump need to do the same thing and does hillary clinton need to keep having those real moments? >> yeah, so, look, let's just take them separately. hillary clinton does need to have those moments. she does need to drop that guard as fareed talks art about. you know, the problem with the clintons in many ways has been people think they are of the mindset, do as i say, not as i do. that they are smarter than the average voter and they have all the answers. hillary clinton today, though, really in many ways just kind of let her guard down and dropped her arm. she needs to continue to do this in order to reach out and, quite frankly, get those voters, don, who are concerned about hillary clinton and don't think that she's trustworthy. donal donald trump now, and fareed's right, needs to look like he's more of a leader. it's not that people don't trust him so much, but is he reckless? should he control the nuclear arsenal? is he a good leader? cab he, quote/unquote, negotiate
the good deals with foreign powers? we'll see what happens, but, you know, dwronald trump in many wa can be likable. people, if you know him personally or see him personally, he can be a very likable person. he just needs to show more of that, but more importantly, needs to show he's a leader. >> thank you, mark. i appreciate that. fareed zakaria, stick around. we have much more to talk about. i want to talk about why you say brexit is not just bad for britain, it is a disaster for americans. all her aches and pains. and i said "come to class, let's start walking together" and i said "and i bet you money you'll be able to do that senior walk". that day i said "ok it's me and you girl, me and you!" i said "if you need to stop, there's a bench we'll just hang out in the shade." she said "absolutely not! we are going to finish this race!" and we were the last ones in, but you know what? we finished the race. and she goes "desiree, i'll never quit walking. ever"
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oh, man, you want to cover your eyes today because of the dow. down about 260 points at closing in the wake of the brexit deal. that was today. so you probably still don't want to look at your 401(k) right now and that may not be the only fallout. fareed za c fareed zakaria is back. you say brexit is a bigger disaster for the u.s., that's what you say? it's a disaster for the u.s. >> look, we're seven years away from the last recession. you're on the lookout for what are the kinds of things that can tip the world, the united states into a recession? and what markets seem to be tell us is that they're very worried about this being the event. why? uk is the fifth largest economy in the world, the largest foreign investor in the united states. if it goes into a recession, what it means, it doesn't buy as much, doesn't invest as much, doesn't sell as much. all of a sudden you're going to
have less economic activity. that affects the u.s. we do a lot of business with britain. why is this happen? mostly the sheer uncertainty. nobody knows whether britain will be able to sell into europe, its largest market. nobody knows whether the pound will still be one of the great sku currencies of the world. nobody knows what it means for any of the various arrangements britain has economically with other countries because all of them went through europe, so this really is -- it's partly the shock and uncertainty of something so big and realizing that no one quite knows how it's going to play out. >> but for the financial folks there, the economists there, it's a fore gone conclusion that it's going to be a recession. at least that's what they're saying. >> britain, it seems almost certainly will slip into some kind of a recession. i mean i mean, if you're a ceo and trying to decide whether to expand your production in britain right now and don't know whether you're going to be able to sell into the 27 countries of europe, you're just going to say, i'm going to wait a while.
that decision made by 100 ceos is enough. >> do you think it's going to be as bad as when you listen to the news, right, say we, because we're part of that, that we're making it out to be? at least for america? that it's as bad as news? >> well, geopolitically it's terrible because britain has been our main ally. if you look at iran sanctions, stand against russia, look at after stance, look at iraq. britain is the united states' main partner and britain has always been able to bring europe along on all the kinds of things we need so that's a huge issue. economically, remember, the united states is $15 trillion, there are $16 trillion economy. no country, no one event probably other than china can really have that much impact and there is this small silver lining. i wouldn't call it a silver lining because it's bad news, but london was the great competitor to new york as the world's financial center. i doubt that -- i mean, london is not going to be what it was because part of why people went
to london was it was a path -- it was a nice english-speaking entry point into europe. >> right. >> my guess is new york just got a little bit more of those people. >> yeah. it's -- major market chaos right now, but people are saying, listen thir listen, this is going to stabilize, give it a couple months. in a couple of months if it's still a disaster, if there's a disaster going on, who does that favor? does it donald trump who basically claimed saying, i called it, i called it. if london is in chaos, if the uk is in chaos, i think that wouldn't bode well for him since he claimed it. >> what it shows if you allow angry populism that basically has a series of emotionally charged policy ideas to win, if you actually vote in, you know, vote on the basis of your emotions rather than your intellect, what you end up with is a disaster because that is
with -- i think it's not going to stabilize any time soon because the scots might decide to have a referendum where they pull out of britain. >> geez. >> this is going to roll on. i think what people will realize is there's a cost to doing this kind of thing. you elected donald trump and all of a sudden people are going to wonder, are we building a wall? are we deporting 11 million people? are we going to have a ban on however many people he decides that week? >> speaking of, the leave was under poll because they thought the stays could win. is donald trump being underpolled here? he claims in the latest poll he is being underpolled. >> certainly in the primaries, in many states, trump would tend to overperform the average of the polling data and the reason was i think similar to the brexit situation which is there are people who a want to vote for trump and are going to vote for trump who don't want to admit it to pollsters.
it's less fashionable -- >> people don't want to admit they like him, in public to me, they'll look over their shoulder and whisper, i like him. >> precisely. that's something we all have to be careful about. there's another problem with polling which you discussed on your program. the response rates are very low now. it used to be about 40% of people would respond to, you know, when you'd get a call. you're down to 8%. pollsters have to figure out, because they got brexit wrong, got the british election wrong, the canadian election wrong. there are a lot of mistakes here that need to be accounted for. >> they're telling me we have to go, right, but i have are to ask you, do you think there's any way -- there's this whole movement chbl movement, they want to turn brexit around. >> it is possible. i think it's not entirely unlikely that two years from now, we'll have some british prime minister pretending that he got some compromise, second referendum or something like that and they -- because the reality is pretty awful. >> yeah. thank you, fareed. i appreciate it. up next, donald trump hails a brexit vote saying people have
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can america draw from the brexit vote in the uk? are voters here and in britain looking for the same things? i want to talk more about this with cnn political commentat y corey lewandowski. corey, i'm going to start with you. a lot of people say this brexit vote is good for donald trump because it shows mistrust in politicians, the status quo, on and on and on. it's rocking markets so far. do you think it's good for donald trump, still good for donald trump? >> i think what you have in brexit is 17 plus million people who said we've had enough and the political elites both in europe and here in the united states have taken people for granted. they haven't listened to what those concerns have been and that has been what has fueled the rise of donald trump through the primary season and i think that is what has -- >> do you still think it's good for donald trump is the question. >> what i think is, these people have a legitimate gripe the way their government is being run and that they don't have control and that they need someone to stand up for them. that's what they want in europe, that's what they want here.
i think that's what they'll get with drup tronald trump. >> you think it's good for donald trump? >> i do think it is. >> okay. in november, what if the uk is in turmoil? do you think that's a good case for clinton or still good for donald trump? >> here's the difference. hillary clinton who's supposed to have these amazing foreign policy credentials couldn't call this vote correctly. her and barack obama went out and said, look, you need to stay in the european union. these are supposed to be foreign policy ex-perexperts. the two people who are supposed to be best on political policy had this wrong, donald trump had it right. goes to show you what the forsight it. that's what the country needs moving forward. >> if the country is still unsettled, is is still good for donald trump or a good case for clinton when the election happens in november? >> i think you're going to see a calming effect come across europe, a new prime minister elected and that will allow -- >> my question is, if it is still unsettled, is it good for clinton or trump? that's the question. >> does that mean the markets are unsettled, political
stabilization is unsettled, a new prime minister -- >> either/or. >> it's a short-term fix for a long-term problem. come november, the people in europe have now thought this through, they're happy with their decision. 17.4 million people voted for it. it's good for the united states to have change, not just small change but wholesale fundamental change in washington. that's food for donald trump. >> as of today, britain has lost its aaa bond rating and the british pound is at a 31-year low. right? so if this is the kind of good change that you're going to bring, your candidate is going to bring to the united states, i think we should think twice about it. the reason 4 million people have signed a petition now in the uk is that the decision of 52%, sometimes people make mistakes. a lot of republicans thought that electing barack obama was a mistake. the economic consequences of brexit are already turning out to be calamitous for the uk because the people who supported brexit who campaigned on it weren't honest with the people of britain and didn't have a plan -- >> hold on. >> does that sound familiar? we're not honest and didn'tafte?
>> are you telling me there's a politician who's campaigning on something they're not honest -- stop the presses. >> your candidate is far more dishonest. politifact had him -- >> one at a time. >> there's one candidate in this race under fbi investigation, it's not donald trump. let's be clear about that. one candidate in this race is probably going to be indicted and not be able to serve -- >> you must know something we don't know. politifact -- >> 150 fibi agents -- >> one at a time. >> politifact said donald trump's statements, they won the pulitzer prize, 74 % of his statements during the campaign have been false. that's almost double any other candidate in the race. >> how about that donald trump said the people in the uk are going to vote to economic -- >> donald trump didn't know what brexit was. >> you want to bring up a political fact, he was right on this, hillary clinton was wrong. she's supposed to be the expert on foreign policy, why wouldn't she get this right? >> donald trump didn't predict, he said he supported it after it
was explained what it was because he was unfamiliar with the point. >> he does have a point, corey. he said he didn't know what it was. he wasn't familiar enough to make a comment on it. afterwards, he said, i told you so. >> he said, look, let me tell you, you shouldn't have to listen to me but i think it's a good thing if great britain extracts themselves from the european union. sure, the markets have had a problem. let me tell you something, 17 million people aren't wrong. i know you don't like the numbers. bottom line is 1.3 million people voted to get out than stay in. >> majorities can be wrong. >> well, majority can be wrong. >> majority of people can do things that actually -- >> that's a good point. let me get in here. to that point, a lot of people are having buyers' remorse. there's a lot of people, there is this move to sort of undo -- >> isn't that always the case of an election, people say, maybe we made the right decision, maybe we made the wrong decision. >> 4 million people signed a petition, that's not the case. >> that's how democracy works. one vote more than the other guy gets means you win. if you're concerned about it,
campaign campaign campaign better, explain what the issue was. >> corey, this isn't that complicated. there's a -- >> a binary vote, up or down. >> the fact that the people have the right to vote on things and the fact that sometimes people make bad decisions. >> okay. stand by. stand by. >> you're saying 4 million people are wrong? >> yes, i am. >> to his point, the number of people, a number of people who pushed for brexit are now saying they cannot keep the promise they said they were going to keep to the people. he has a point there. they're saying this money we're going to use for health care, get brussels, whatever, or not get brussels, that money is not going to go to you like we said. >> i think what this comes down to, the voters have spoken. withdrew c you can like it or not like it. the opportunity is you put it on the ballot, it's a binary decision. >> to corey's point, though, people are voting with their guts. it's something donald trump got people to do, even in this country. you have to admit that. is there something the left is not going to --
>> there are all kinds of failures if you look at the british labor party and i think the democratic party has lots of failures in the united states is n dealing with economic inequality, too. here's another thing we've seen in the brexit vote since thursday, a 57% rise in hate crimes. attacks in london on polish, on pols and on muslims they have not seen in britain ever. and that also has a strange familiar ring to it, doesn't it, because donald trump when his supporters savagely beat a homeless man, a homeless latino man in boston, donald trump said, well, my supporters are very passionate. so donald trump, like brexit, also has a history of inciting hate crime. >> listen, i'm going to let you respond to that. he's talked about immigration, talked about mexicans, talked about a total ban. now he's saying it's just countries who -- >> harbor terrorists. >> do you think that message is racist? he thinks the message is racist and that's a reneflection of what's happening here and in
europe. >> to ban an entire religious from entering the united states -- >> here's what donald trump said, 1% of them are radicalized -- we know the immigration system this country currently has in place is a colossal failure. a woman who came over on a k-1 visa and committed jihad in california came over through the legal process. the state department didn't look at her social media account. we're bringing in syrian refugees, we don't know anything about these people. i spoke to the governors in their respective states, saying the federal government won't tell them the names of the individual or where they're being placed into the states. it's not racism. it's about making sure the immigration policies of our country put americans first. >> if you have a plan for doing better vetting, that's terrific. what donald trump said, he wanted a ban on all muslims coming into the united states. that is classic bigotry because you are taking this behavior of a small number and stigmatizing,
demonizing every single person of that religion. >> don't you think some of the things haven't been addressed properly, the american people feel you may be calling racism, what has to do with immigration, don't you think it hasn't been addressed properly and that is something that donald trump is -- >> sure, look, there is a problem. no one disagrees with donald trump that we have a problem about terrorist attacks in the wrooit united states. donald trump is not the first person to notice isis is out there trying to kill americans. the problem is his response is not only fundamentally bigoted and un-american, but in fact, would lead the isis leaders to cheer because it plays right into their hands of making america seem -- >> hillary clinton's response was to increase immigration 550 from current levels. it's a detriment to our country. if one person, one american citizen is killed by one person who comes into this country illegally, the blood will be on your hands. >> that's a really christian thing to say. you don't want to allow refugees into the united states, good for you. >> if they don't come in legally -- >> amazing how people boast
countdown to the republican national convention. three weeks from today, here to st discuss, john phillips a talk raid ydio host at kabc in los angeles. patti solis doyle who supports hillary clinton. senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. political commentator, bob beck l. i just read that and when it came out, i kind of got a little nervous kick in my stomach. three week. oh my gosh, here it comes. john, trump changing his immigration policy. is this a pivot or is this a wholesale change? >> well, it is a pivot to the general election, but it's also part of donald trump the gauche negotiator. donald trump says you should aim high, accept half a loaf and make sure what you end up getting is something close -- >> wait, let me stop you there. i understand what you're saying. is it trump or paul manafort and
new people saying you have to appeal to more people than just your base? >> he wrote the art of the deal a long time ago. i'm sure it's consistequintesse trump. you can't give someone a cheeseburger during ramadan and have them eat it at high noon and determine whether or not they come into the country that way. you're going to have to have some empirical way in terming how you allow to emigrate to the country and who you don't. it was always going to be something other than the original plan. >> now i see why you're on the radio because that was very colorful. listen, i see, you know, jeffrey toobin and bob beckel shaking their head. jeffrey, you had the biggest reaction. why. >> i don't know where to start. donald trump is running for president, right, he says we're not going to allow any muslims into the country. it was very clear. so i don't know how you change a month later, never mind. is he going to decide he doesn't want to build a wall to mexico? this is one of the two or three ideas that his whole campaign
was built around and now he's coming up with a completely different idea? it just strikes me as bizarre. >> go ahead, bob. >> well, i mean, this is one of those -- very difficult to walk this back. jeffrey just made a very good point. this was the centerpiece. one of the -- the wall and immigration and no muslims in the country. i don't know how he can get away with doing that. i can understand it during the republican primaries and caucuses because you had a lot of other people and the news was split around. trump could get away with, as we all know, he's a great walkback artist. the problem is he's walking back at the edge of a big building and up about 40 stories. i don't know how he gets away with it. >> listen, patti, it doesn't seem to matter what he does, if he walks things back or if he flip-flops, if he changes his mind, what have you. he still seems to have a lot of support. he also controls the media message. i'm not sure if you saw "the new york times," sunday "times" yesterday, i was reading the
"times," every every section, front section was a trump story. there was one headline. this is what people or consider, say the "the new york times" is liberal. there was one headline about hillary clinton about how hillary clinton, brexit is not going to be good for hillary clinton. the rest were somewhat glowing, some not so glowing but it was all donald trump. does he really need all that money that we were saying hillary clinton has? he can control the message, maybe even without that money. >> look, i give donald trump a lot of credit for the way he has changed campaigns this year. this election cycle. you know, he has really mastered social media and campaigns and pick es up the phone and gets o any network he wants to. yes, to answer your question, does he need the money? he absolutely needs the money. >> does that translate into votes, though? >> not so much to put the money into media, into advertising, but for his ground operation, for troops, for staff on the
ground in ohio and florida and pennsylvania. that's where he needs this money because he is trailing significa significantly, hillary has ground troops. she has 700 people on staff. he has 70. i understand paul manafort is trying to change that. i think it's a little too late to try to do that and catch up with hillary at this point. >> supreme court decisions today. i want to talk about that. explain why you think justice kennedy has november in mind for the recent votes of affirmative action and abortion rights? >> anthony kennedy has been on the court since 1987 and has been the most important justice for most of his tenure because the court has been so polarized between liberals and conservatives and kennedy has gone different ways. he has gone different ways including on the issues that were decided this week. this week, he decided that affirmative action and college admissions could proceed at the university of michigan. today, he voted with justice byer who wrote the o ppinion
saying texas could not pass regulations that shut down most of the abortion clinics in the state. i think what's going on is he sees that the court is moving to the left. there are now four solid liberals. there are three mostly conservative justices. and there's a vacancy that is either going to be filled by barack obama, probably not, merrick garland doesn't look like he's going to get confirmed. but probably by hillary clinton because she seems likely to win. the democrats are likely to have a solid majority on the supreme court for the foreseeable future and i think kennedy thinks, look, i'm closely -- my -- i am on the fence or on these issues, i might as well be with the majority. >> yeah. john, turning to you now. let's talk about brexit, okay? and i want you to listen to this, what he said last night about trump's reaction to
brexit. >> he found a way to make this whole thing about himself. tweeting, many people are equating brexit and what is going on in great britain with what is happening in the u.s. people want their country back. and you might think, well, that is not going to happen to us in america. we're got going to listen to some ridiculously haired buffoon peddling lies and nativism in the hopes of riding a protest vote into power. well, let britain tell you, it can happen and when it does, there are no [ bleep ] do-overs. >> wow. so, john, is the brexit vote bad for trump? could it scare people? >> well, i don't think he used it the way he could have for the maximum impact when he was over in scotland talking about the new sprinkler systems and new coffee shop he was putting at the golf course, but many of the brits that went and voted had some of the same concerns that trump supporters and people in the united states have. th that's sovereignty, that immigration, that's making sure that people in other countries don't tell you what to do. i think it was a missed opportunity for trump because
when these things happen, they tend to happen not just in one country but there's a wave that goes across the world. we're seeing this happen in australia, other western countries. this is thing if tsomething if don't address, haven't addressed so far in country which is why the republican primary voters opted for trump instead of one of the establishment candidates that donald trump could ride this wave and win in november. >> there's always a new buzzword for every election. this one is the elites. the elites. everyone is saying it. how to ydo you guys come up wit that? do you have a phone call and say we're going to call everyone the elites? >> i have t-mobile, if they called me it would drop in 25 seconds. >> quickly, bob, what did you say? >> i was trying to push back a little bit. for the one who said donald trump early on had a chance to get this, i give you credit, i always have, but your notion that somehow any negatives that trump gets is acceptable by people, you got to remember his
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massachusetts senator elizabeth warren joining hillary clinton on the campaign trail today and slamming donald trump. back with me, john phillips, patpat patti solis, and bob beck l. i'm showure bernie sanders supporters might have something to say about that. >> well, look, you know, clearly from reporting that cnn is doing, we know that elizabeth warren is on hillary clinton's short list. you know, she's being vetted. today was definitely an audition and she passed, you know, with flying colors. there was incredible chemistry on that stage today.
there was -- you could tell, i've known hillary clinton a long time, you could tell hillary clinton was having a grand old time up there with elizabeth warren listening to elizabeth warren really slam donald trump. and you know what was on no one's mind was bernie sanders. i think bernie has really missed an opportunity. he ran a fantastic campaign. really strong. he brought millennials to the table like no one has since barack obama. he was the progressive leader. he made income inequality the center point of his campaign. and i think he missed an opportunity. a lot of people thought -- >> he's saying that he wants to do everything so that donald trump won't get re-elected, but his -- his actions don't sort of live up to that message, do you agree with that? they don't match his rhetoric. >> look, i think he's trying to get what he can from the platform committee. he's really trying to, you know, move democrats to his way of thinking. you know, whatever issues he has
with deb by wasserman schultz ad the dnc. i think he's trying to use his, you know, mojo to get stuff done. i think his mojo went downhill after elizabeth warren tonight. >> she's not native american, she's not 1/32nd, she has no native american background except what her family told her. the easy answer, as you all know, harvard and penn can release the records, authorize the release of the records. she can take a dna test, she can release the records, herself. there's never been any even. >> bob, donald trump also told nbc news that warren is a racist, warren is not campaigning against trump yet. do you think it's smart for the trump campaign to continue to malign her? >> no. i tell you, for some reason this woman gets under her skin in a way -- first of all, women get under his skin, anyway.
for her, the kind of words she's using about trump and the way trump's reacted to it, you don't do that as a presidential candidate. you don't react to the vice president. the idea is to let the vice presidents go at it. i think she is making trump very, very nervous, but beyond that, the clinton people have a tough decision. one, i think their own polling will eindicate the sanders peope are not going to go to trump. the question is, are they going to show up? if that's the case, you take states like ohio and pennsylvania, he really does need the millennials that patti was talking about. i think she would be a candidate for that type of platform, which by the way, bernie is losing, last three votes on his platform committee, he's lost. i think that's part of the thinking but i think still kaine, former governor of virginia, is still the odds-on favorite.
a republican governor will appoint a republican senator and makes it one more person you have to take down to get the senate back. >> jeffrey, warren in ohio with clinton today was about the working class vote and she noees to work on that vote. >> she does. it was an impressive performance, two of them. we spend so much time talking about the politics of the vice presidential appointmentes and when we look back at the president shl elections, the vice presidents make no difference at all. the interesting question is who does hillary clinton want to have lunch with every week for four years or eight years? these vpice presidents in recen years are important advisers, biden, cheney, gore. they are presences in the white house. you know, for all the -- today was all love and, you know, happiness. you know, elizabeth warren has ripped hillary clinton in the past. you know, in her book about bankruptcy. i mean, there is real -- some real poisonous history there. maybe it's all in the past. >> politicians, they all do it.
i mean, everybody -- we hate donald trump then a week later they're like, we love donald trump. you know how that is. >> you're a tough man, mr. lemon. i don't know. >> i like what you said, though. i like how you boiled it down for us. who you want to have lunch with every week. that's a good way of putting it. thank you, jeffrey. john, you'll be back. thanks, everybody. thanks, patti, thanks, balob. john, see you nexts hour. just three weeks to go until the gop goes to cleveland, hillary clinton leads donald trump in the polls. can he get his mojo back?