tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN June 29, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PDT
>> i recognized the gun shots and heard this huge explosion. le i knew immediately it was a bomb. >> it was pure panic. people falling all over themselves. >> we saw a lot of people running around. they were all covered in blood z it was total desperation in that moment. >> there were a lot of people falling down on the ground not knowing bha was going on, sort of nothing was clear with what was happening. >> it looked like someone has gone around with a bulldozer and shredded the whole entrance to the terminal. >> hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and this
is "legal view." one of the unanswered questions surrounded the deadliest terror atk in turkey so far this year. the biggest question may be who is responsible for this and what will turkey in concert with its nato partners do about it? authorities say 41 innocent people were killed. 239 were wounded when three gunmen opened fire and then set off bombs in three separate areas of ataturk airport in istanbul. the third busiest airport in all of europe. police questioned and then released the taxi driver who took the gunman to the airport. almost 24 hours later, there are still, however, no claims of responsibility for all of this carnage. the choice of target and apparent coordination led the turkish government and many experts to lay the blame fully at the foot of isis.
the chaos, the panic, they come through loud and clear in survivor accounts and surveillance video. you should know a clip i'm about to show you in a few seconds is very graphic u may want to look away. first, this scene of terrified passengers run ago way from what proves to be a bomb. >> a second clip released shows what appears to be a police officer shooting a terrorist who falls to the floor. his gun goes flying and then seconds later, after struggling like this on the ground, he actually detonates. he blows himself up. all of it on video. you can see the officer has already run away when he realizes that that was about to happen. here is a scene that may
surprise you. this is ataturk airport. this very terminal reopened about five hours after the smoke had cleared. you might remember it took almost two weeks to reopen the brussels airport after the bombings there back in march. not business as usual. they sure do want it to be so. pictures just this morning in istanbul at the airport. our coverage beginning this hour live with cnn's nima al bager. we are not even 24 hours since the bombs detonated and you are standing there amid the rubble and they are trying to get things back to normal. >> reporter: sadly, the turks have grown all too used to and all too efficient about trying to put the pieces back together.
as i'm talking to you, files, rows of passengers and crew are filing past. some of the people we saw this morning had been in the airport when the attack happened. they had to run for their lives. they were returning today to pick up luggage and some of them trying to get back on flight to get out of here. the turkish government is so keen to return to normality. this is a country ha has spent most of the six months real frg reeling from attack to attack. it is not quite business as usual. it is this reality of who else is out there. who supported this broader network? already, we are hearing from senior turkish officials who have gun the process of identifying the bodies of the attackers, what little remains of the bodies. they believe these were foreign nations and that makes it more crucial to move quickly. they need to know who else as part of that broader network was able to get in and whether they
are trying to get out now. >> so nima, i wanted to ask you about this last little bit of information that has just come in about the taxi driver. this is eerily reminiscent of what happened in brussels. the killer was brought to the airport by the cab driver. that cab driver alerted authorities. in this murderous attack, we are hearing about the cab driver brought in, questioned and released. do we know anything more about this cab driver and what role was played? >> reporter: so much of this is, as you rightly put it, eerily reminiscent of brussels, including that attempt to scuff out any crumb trail that could lead authorities to that broader network and the fact that they have released the cab driver after initially questioning him lends credence to this working assumption that this saxtaxi driver, similarly to brussels,
was someone who was used to drop them off so a link couldn't be established to their support network. they used a strap junger, a dri from the street and authorities released him. if this played out in any way like brussels played out, they will be looking for the small details. what did you see when you picked them up? who did you see when you picked them up? where did you pick them up from? all of this is helpful. the m.o., the targeting of a soft target before trying to force their way through using automatic weaponry and then detonating. even the survivor's stories bring to mind what we were hearing in brussels, the falling ceiling pain causing so much damage even to those that were far from the epicenter of the blast. one woman described slipping and sliding across those blood-soaked tiles. almost word for word, a description that i heard in the brussels attack. this is intentionally mirroring. that's what we are hearing from so many intelligence sources.
this attack and brussels is intentionally echoing each other. that's why they believe that this is the work of isis actually. >> so nima, i am going to ask you another question before that i'm just going to let you know that the president of the united states, barack obama, has traveled to ottawa, canada. he is having meetings today with the leaders of not only canada but mexico. at any moment, he is about to make a live address. i am going to break into our conversation when i can get to that. he may be doing a live address and the tape may be released. i want to get that to our viewers. if i interrupt you, that's the reason. the question i still have for you. there seems to be some confusion as to three different sites where these murderers exacted their vengeance for whatever cause they have. i wanted to know if we are getting a better idea of a strategy that they were playing out. were they trying to deflect energy and attention way from
the main terminal where the bulk of the people were so that security forces would be drawn away and they would have a better access to the pool of the vulnerables? >> what they were trying to do is to crack that security perimeter. more security forces are arriving. there is an ambulance driving past us. this is still very much a situation that is being reinforced by the authorities. our sense is that what they were doing is to try to crack that security parameter. the difference between ataturk and brussel is that ataturk is a much better secured airport. they started at the far perimeter. they succeeded to push through the security, the security clearing point and scare off the police. it was actually that police officer that we showed in the video and his engagement with one of those attacker that is really stopped them from getting
any deeper into the more vulnerable and softer parts of this terminal. >> it is really astounding to be able to see that. i think this is perhaps one of the very first times we have witnessed moment by moment the attempted takedown of one of these murderers and then the actual pulling of the cord on the suicide vest. it is just astounding to see it. nima, i am going to let you go. i know you have some reporting you need to do, specially with the new arrivals coming in from the left. i want to take this opportunity to hear from some of the people there when this happened. thomas kemper is thehead of global ministries in the methodist church just happened to be flying to japan on a mission trip. he was taking a nap in an airport lounge, in that airport when all hell broke loose. have a listen to this? >> there was no instruction. you ran to one direction and somebody called, no, the terrorists are over there. then, you ran in another. we then started to hide.
i went into the kitchen of the lounge in some back room and tried to hide by some boxes. you have all these images of the terrorists coming and trying to kill you while you were hiding. it was very tense and very scary. >> one of the witnesses to what happened, a survivor of what happened, i'm. >> jon:ed joined on the television by another survivor. moira vural, was a survivor, an ex pat and has lived there years. she was seeing a friend off to the airport. i want to get an account of what you saw moment by moment. can you take me through this? >> i just got my friend there and i was going to check in to help her. suddenly, i heard this sound. i have to tell you, the airport was quite empty. it was really quite empty. it was quite late at night. i heard this popping noise and i
thought, no, that can't be. i looked up and i could see people had stopped and everyone was looking in the direction from which this was coming. then, there was more popping and they started to run. i thought, this can't be real, you know. i dived under a check-in desk with two young staff girls and cowered just thinking this is just a joke. it was very quiet except for the sound of the gun. then, an explosion. guns and explosion and like that. we just sat there, just totally helpless, totally exposed, actually, even though we were under this thing, in this quiet. then, suddenly, there was a shout, come quick, come quick, it is clear. we could run back into the police security part where a lot
of people had been collected. from then, a matter of waiting, stories that someone had seen someone in a black coat shooting and someone else had heard maybe you know what it is like. you get a moving story. we had to walk down five flights of stairs, probably one of the scariest moments, because it would be so easy for a stampede. people were really quite calm. you had to go to the bowels of the airport in a secure room. it was quite quiet. we had people helping each other to contact people on phones. that's the most important thing. >> moira, of these little stories you are piecing together as you sort of in terror were waiting for some security force to give you the all-clear, did you hear from anyone that actually got a look at any of
these terrorists? >> caller: there was one man who said he had seen a man, a dark man, wearing a black jacket, in a black skirt and he looked that way. maybe it was the jacket. i don't know. he had seen that. >> was he able to give any sort of description as to did he see a gun, did he see him shooting? >> caller: no. >> he could just describe the person. how did he know that was one of the murderers? >> caller: i'm not sure but he was clear he probably had a gun. i think it was a large gun we were told. that must have been what it was. he knew. >> can i ask you, moira, i can only assume you are not unlike the rest of us that have seen
these things play out on your television screens over and over from different parts of the world. no matter where we live, we have all seen it. we have all grieved, we have all sent our prayers and then you found yourself in the middle of it and i wonder if you knew right away. i am in the middle of a terrorist event or if you were so stunned? >> caller: oh, yes, oh, yes. there i was under the thing and with the two girls. the one girl was crying and i was saying, okay, we'll be very quiet. when you have someone to comfort, it is easier. all of the time, i just kept saying, this is a joke. what is going on? you don't really believe it? it is bizarre. you think what it would be like but it has not actually happened and then it was. >> did you feel as though you had any insight just in terms of what to do, where to go,
anything different than what might have been five or ten years ago when this would have been an astounding shock and perplexing to everybody involved? >> looking at it and the way the police dealt with it and stuff, it is so difficult. you never know where people will come from. >> but i think the most important thing i suppose is to stick with other people. i think that was really important. the fact that i had two people to cling to and say, let's be calm. they told me they heard when a man shouted all clear. it was almost like an instinct. you look and you see other people running and you know this is serious. it is not just mm -- you know, the fact that people were very helpful with each other. one thing was important to have a cell phone. we lost touch with one friend,
couldn't find her for 2 1/2 hours. people couldn't help us, because of the way the airport is. they had been hiding in different areas. so to collect everyone up took a long time. my son saw her on cnn. she was a tourist. it was really important to keep connected. >> moira, i'm happy to say we are able to speak with you today. i'm glad that both you and your friend are safe. i am so sorry you have had to live through this. you have joined what i always call an unwelcomed club. i thank you for your insight and first-hand account for us. thank you. >> thank you. as we say good-bye to moira, i want to take you live to ottawa right now. it's actually live to tape. this is late to tape and released to us. the president is in ottawa for a northern american leaders
summit. he is having meetings with the prime minister of canada, justin trudeau and the president of mexico, enrique penietto. >> before i discuss the importance of the u.s./mexican relationship, let me just publicly extend my deepest condolences to the people of turkey for terrible attack that took place in istanbul. i had a chance to speak to president erdogan earlier today to discuss with him how heartbroken we have been by the images of injured and those killed but to reaffirm our strong commitment to partner
with turkey, with nato, with the broad-based alliance we have structured around the world to fight isis. it is an indication of ground unable to govern those areas that they have taken over. they are going to be defeated in syria. they are going to be defeated in iraq. they have an impact on the entire civilized world. i know that that view is shared by mexico. it is shared by canada and all the people of this hemisphere. it is shared in every region of the world. so we stand with the people of turkey. we intend to do what's necessary to make sure that these kinds of terrible events are not happening. on a happier note, the
cooperation that's been taking place between the united states and mexico across a whole range of issues has been outstanding. we had the opportunity to discuss the continuing strength of our business, commercial, trade, politics, our business and at a time when all too often are hearing rhetoric that ignores the enormous contributions that have been made by mexico that, we draw from the relationship with our good neighbor to the south. it has been useful for us to reaffirm all the different issues that we have been working on today. >> so the president now just making some references to the north american free trade agreement, which is clearly on the agenda.
this is a series of bilateral meetings not only with the mexican president but the canadian prime minister. he will be, the president will be, addressing the canadian parliament. this is probably the last time these three key members of the north american key trade agreement will be together face to face discussing what is becoming an increasingly unpopular concept, globalization and open trade markets. this is the visit where the president is going to be touting the benefits of the trade agreements. that's what you call the pool sf spray. my apologies for the camera work. that's one of those taped moments where you get to see the leaders. they already had their critical meeting and we were not privy to that. one person that knows a thing or two about what goes on in those meetings, she happens to be traveling with the president, michelle kosinski. these meetings are critical and behind closed doors. what's really on the agenda,
michelle? >> reporter: all of the topics you would expect. they want to talk about trade, climate change. they already announced some deliverables and some goals in that area. you know at the crux of this are the most pressing issues facing the world right now. of course, terrorism and isis. you would not consider them to be as immediate of a threat. that's on their minds. donald trump an the american election. the president said himself, talking to leaders, it takes up time in these private meetings. they want to talk about that. they want to get the president's thoughts. they want to talk about the latest developments politically and specially now when mexico is involved. what strikes you here in the president's remarks, first thing out of the gate talking about offering condolences for yet another terrorist attack. how many times have we seen this happen while the president is traveling abroad and wants to be focusing on other things and
other relationships. this happened after the paris attacks. he was in cuba when brussels happened. again, the president has to address this. eve tho even though we heard the standard remarks, the president wanted to go further and talk about the fight against isis. this was what we call a pool spray. there is a press conference later this afternoon at 3:00 where all of these leaders are going to be facing tough questions from reporters. that's when they can't really control the message. they have to answer those questions. that's when we are likely to hear more. a focus here too is that phone call this morning between president obama and the turkish press, erdogan. this is a relationship that has been called into question many times from reporters asking, is turkey doing enough in the fight against isis. today, the white house wants to emphasize prioritizing the work there, trying so seal na border. we heard from the white house
saying there is about 60 miles of that border between syria and turkey that isis has control of. that's a significant improvement. again, that's still 60 miles where foreign fighters can go back and forth. as the white house said today, obviously, there is more work to be done there. >> you can bet that turkey is going to be mad as hell after this one and all of the country that is represent the foreign nationals who were murdered at this international airport in istanbul. michelle kosinski, thank you. appreciate that. she is traveling with the president. she will continue to report back throughout the day. cnn's coverage of the president's trip to canada. about five hours after the bombs went off and the guns stopped firing, the airport in istanbul in turkey was back open for incoming and outgoing flights. passengers saying, you could still smell the fire and the smoke from the explosion. how does that work from a forensics perspective, when you
are still trying to solve the crime, identify the killers, identify the victims, figure out whose bombs they were? we have the expert that is know the answers coming up next. you can watch "legal view" any time at cnn.com/go. find me on twitter, cnn ashleigh or head over to facebook as well. ♪ americans are buying more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the us postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country.
whatever. you back to our breaking coverage, news out of istanbul. the president vowing to stand with the country and their bid to fight terror. the explosions at istanbul's international airport happened about 9:20 local time. the airport reopened about five hours later. planes landed, passengers boarding flights in the same airport where 41 people had just been murdered when three suicide bo bombe bombers blew themselves up after opening fire on as many as they could target. just five hours later, passengers were on the move.
it wasn't business as usual. use this as a comparison. the brussels airport was closed for two weeks after the suicide bombing there back in march. our larry coblins kichlt i chairs the department of see inses at john j. department of justice and explosives expert tony mayor is with us as well. first, to you, dr. koblinski. i was astounded to think this massive crime scene was being compromised to the extend it must have been. there is no way 41 people could be murdered and within five hours, you could have traffic going through what would be unadull ter rated. >> i find this totally astonishing. this is a huge scene. there are two scenes. >> three. >> in the airport and outside of the airport. you have 41 people dead so far. there are bodies and body parts
and all kinds of evidence dealing with the bomb and shrapnel and other things we need to put together, materials used to construct the bomb. all of this is physical evidence that will help us understand what happened, how it happened. it might need to the source. was the bomber one of those three suicide bombers? the person who made the bomb, was he in there? the tip of the iceburg. >> there is a lot of crime fighting that can be done by processing something like this. >> the devils is in the details. >> the right way and not in five years. i have never seen such a massive crime scene looked at for five hours. it is just impossible. you are going to compromise, contaminate evidence. you are not going to get the critical evidence you are looking for. there is something else going on. they should not have turned this open to the public. >> anthony, if i could bring you in to the idea of these multiple
sites of crime. we had a map up a short time ago that showed in this preliminary staple of the investigation where some of these bomb blasts went off. you can see at least two places. then, it is thought that there is a parking structure as well. certainly, bodies were found at the parking structure. i wondered if you could use your expertise to try to help me walk through the commando style training that these three may or may not have had. they may have just gotten lucky and gone scatter shot. there may have been something to the strategy of getting the most kills they could. does any of this give you insight when you see this map? >> well, ashleigh, what we are seeing in the trend from paris to brussels to istanbul is this squad type attack tactic where they come out with guns blazing to breach the layers of defense at an airport. there is an outside layer of security but they used their
tactics probably even that initial explosion in the garage that created diversions so these other attackers could get inside the airport. from your map, one went off on the ground floor, the other went off on a first floor. looks like they were trying to make their way towards the departure terminals where there are more people to basically attack. now, what's interesting about these attacks is that i don't believe the bombs were their primary means of destruction in this case. they went in with weapons, with long guns to kill as many people as they could. the explosive vests they were wearing were probably secondary to take themselves out and hopefully whoever they can get near or' police capture them. this is a tactic that is evolving as we have seen from paris to brussels and now
istanbul. the only type of defense for this is surveillance. you have to detect them. in this case, in istanbul, they came out guns blazing. even surveillance wouldn't have given any early warning. >> one of the security forces was able to gun one of them down before he could shoot anymore and murder any more people. i have to leave it there. tony may, thank you, larry koblinsky, thank you for your expertise. we are going to continue to watch this story when details come in, we will pass them on. 239 people, those people had to go to the hospital. many will never be the same. some, terribly injured. some slightly injured. all of them because three bombs went off and bullets were flying. we are going to take you to the exact spot where one of those bombs went off and show you just how far one bomb's destruction can reach. (vo) stank face.
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i want to update you on the deadliest attack in turkey so far this year. i said so far this year, because there have been eight terror tax. still, no claim of responsibility for last night's rampage at the ataturk airport in istanbul. 41 innocent people killed. 239 others hurt when three gunmen opened fire and set off their suicide vests in two separate areas of the terminal and outside in a parking lot. the chose of targets and the apparent coordination among the attackers led many to point
straight at isis. but, still, no confirmation of that. just moments ago, we heard president obama tell reporters in canada where he is visiting that he spoke by phone today with turkey's president and also discussed ways to fight the group he calls isil. obama is up north for a summit with north american leaders. we also learned a short time ago that authorities have questioned and released the taxi driver who apparently brought those terrorist toss the airport. cnn's senior international correspondent, nima al bagr is there. she wants to show us how this unfolded. >> reporter: the first destination was back there. the force of the blast ripped apart the tarmac. authorities have shielded that. they are barricading that from public view. the blast traveled, you can see, all the way back here, where it ripped open the glass walls of
the arrival. ripping the ceiling tiles out and this is what was reigning down on the heads of those terrified passengers attempting to flee for their lives. on the ground around our feet are still shards of glass from that impact. through the doors where you can see now passengers lining up to catch their flights, this is where passengers yesterday ran out screaming, tracking bloody footprints as they attempted to save themselves and those they loved. turkey has been reeling for months from a series of terror attacks. that is why they are working so hard to try and put this airport back together to try and return to some semblance of nor mality and as the turkish president and prime minister said when they addressed their nation, not to allow those who would seek to disrupt, who would seek to
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people were murdered and they discussed ways to defeat isis in iraq or syria. no claim by isis or anyone else. several officials says this bears the hall marks of what isis has as an m.o. joining us, cnn contributor, michael weiss. one of the early reports cnn was able to get was there were strong indications these three murderers appeared to be foreign. let me couch that by saying they have only recovered the lower half of these three killers that had suicide vest that is they des t detonated. why would that be said that these were foreigners? >> the turkish government likes to put themselves out there above their skis. sometimes they blame the kurds.
to say they are foreign as opposed to turks says they have been infiltrated. there is a prominent isis network operating in turkey. there have been turkish fighters caught on the battlefield in syria. >> they are not in control of large swaths. >> to this point of how do we know they are foreign. it is not that they identified body parts and said that is a certain shade of hue found in the middle east. perhaps they were speaking french or german or another language. a lot of turks do feel arabic. it could be any number of reasons that they are saying this. >> the other question i have for you is that i think a lot of americans look at these attacks and they hear conflicting messages about just how successful the war against, "a," terror and, "b," isis has been. i am going to play two different quick bits of sound from two very important americans. one is the c.i.a. director and one is the secretary of state
who also made comments about our security and the efforts and abilities and the degradation of isis. first, c.i.a. director, john brennan and after that, secretary of state, john kerry. >> unfortunately, despite all of our progress against isis, our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach. as the pressure mounts on isil, we judge it will intensify its global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda. >> others know that we have to get it right 24/7, 365. they have to get it right for ten minutes or one hour. so it is a very different scale. if you are desperate and if you know you are losing and you know you want to give up your life, then obviously you can do some
harm. >> are they desperate in losing, as john kerry says, or are they in a situation where we have not reduced their terrorism capability and global reach? >> first, john brennan was chewed out by the white house for going off message and giveing that testimony, we unvarnished and very honest. this is an organization that has been around for 13 years. they have taken cities. they have taken terrain. they have not had a great track record of holding cities. they were flushed out of fallujah and mosul. >> that doesn't mean they are gone. >> they bit off more than they could chew in june, 2014. they impressed themselves with how much territory they could take. the caliphate has shrunk. 50% of the territory in iraq and 20-30% in syria has been lost to them. they have a new phase. it is not a new strategy.
from the standpoint of an america, most americans don't care what happens in the middle east as long as it stays there. it is becoming more dangerous for the west as isis loses ground in mesopotamia. they are putting renewed emphasis on conducting abroad. >> they might have wanted to hit turkey. the head of their cia foreign intelligence branch, his name meaning the frenchman, being he was born in france. allegedly, he was captured by the turkish government while fleeing. why was he fleeing? they are losing that area, that pocket, which is surround by procoalition forces. if he was captured by the turks, isis would want to capture turkey before he flips or gives
up crucial information. >> as they lose real estate, they gain a cloud of ideology that swarms the world and people are jumping on board for reasons that we have a hard time to understand for americans. michael weiss, thank you very much. we appreciate your insight. we are continuing to look into some of these developments, hopefully, proven and disproven as we get more information from our teams on the ground. in one month, less than that, two major terror attacks, in istanbul and in orlando. the nightclub has not yet even been cleaned up. we are still learning new details about the horrific events that happened inside those walls that night. you'll find out what they are next. a
doors will open in some form. a man with links to isis killed 49 people inside that club. the representative of the club now is telling cnn that a special bio hazard cleanup team has actually made contact earlier this month. you will know that these were the images that were all across your screen after 49 people were gunned down in that club before the police were able to respond and kill him. today, we know a lot more about what happened that night thanks to a massive document dump by the orlando officials. telephone logs and text messages and hundreds of detailed police records. cnn's miguel marquez has been looking through them all to package them up to see. >> reporter: starting at 2:02 a.m., dispatchers began relaying a scene of horror. 2:02:57, shots fired.
2:03:38, still shooting, multiples down. the chaos, confusion and enormity of the pulse massacre captured in real time. the shorthand notes 911 officers sent to officers descending on the club. 2:05:38, can hear shooting in the background. 2:08, someone screaming help and this chilling description. my caller is no longer responding, just an open line with moaning. >> he just started killing people right there in the hallway. >> reporter: after 16 minutes, no more reports of gunfire in the log. inside, the horror continues for hours. dispatchers tell officers there may be two shooters and can't get the shooter's description from location or callers. 2:26:49, subject in restroom whispering please help. caller is saying, he pledges to
the islamic state. at 2:40:57, victim sees subject with the bomb strapped to him. police are trying to get into the club and stop the shooter and help the wounded. >> we are trying to go in while we have people coming out at us t was chaos. >> reporter: 4:12, victim with gunshot wounds losing blood from leg. three people in bar, nine in the dressing room. >> so many people are choking on their own blood and people are getting dehydrated and sweating and bleeding out. >> finally, three hours after it started, police get the upper hand. 5:02:12, s.w.a.t. breached. 5:14:58, shots fired, north bathroom. 5:15:53, subject down and, finally, 5:17:52, bad guy down strapped. >> our special thanks to cnn's miguel marquez for that.
i want to talk with cedrick alexander who is joining us live. so much uncertainty and chaos. the police records giving us some insight into the real time communications. what i would like to understand from you, coming on a scene like that where there are a lot of dynamics playing out, people are bleeding to death instantly, people are possibly in the line of fire, police could be in the line of fire, what's the priority? save the ones you can save. take the bad guy out while others might die in the process. i'm really not sure how you prioritize in the heat of the war. >> put yourself in this position. you are in your radio car, shots fired, you respond. you are receiving limited information. you arrive to that scene within probably two, three minutes, maybe earlier. you know there may be an officer
that was on the scene working off duty. there is a lot of radio transmission. you get to the scene, hear shots fired. you go in. you go in with others. i think this case in which orlando did. you are walking into an environment which you know nothing about, the schematic layout. you have in there shots fired, smoke filled room, low lights, people running in and out and they are bloody, they are screaming, they are in pain. you don't know good guys from bad guys. it had to be a chaotic scene. you are trying to assess as many information as you can to protect the injured and wounded but also staying alert to the fact that you could get hurt yourself. the officers that responded that night to that location did an absolutely tremendous job. there is so much training that you can do, ashleigh. they do train under these types of conditions, particularly in the environment we live in today. what's critically important to
remember, no matter how much you train, when that call is made under a live situation, the variables can change. they may not go the same way the exercise went. they have some familiarity with each other, how they are going to respond, how they are going to enter, how they are going to locate a target, neutralize that target. that had to be a horrific scene that night. the heroism that was demonstrated by those officers at that scene should not be questioned. there is absolutely no textbook way in which you are going to arrive at that type of chaotic event, protect the lives of the innocent and other officers who may be on the scene and at the same time trying to identify a bad guy. >> cedrick alexander, i hope the lessons learned in this cans used as they go forward. >> we all hope so. >> as a reminder, one of the things that's unique about
what's happening right now, we are several weeks out from what happened in orlando and there is a bio hazard team on location right now working on the cleanup as those in turkey now face the same reality but seem to be doing it so incredibly quickly. we continue to follow the story on cnn. thanks so much for watching. brianna keilar is in for wolf and starts right now. police, soldiers everywhere. >> i have never experienced such a panic. so many people were so many different nations. >> bloody people lying around on the floor. it was horrific. no one had a clue which way to run. it looked like someone had gone around with a bulldozer and shredded the whole entrance to the terminal. >> i turned the corner and there was this wave of