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thanks for joining us, a we begin with new developments in the istanbul airport bombings. the first is the death toll at the hands of three armed bombers including this one seen running on airport security cameras. it rose tonight to 42. more than is 20 people remain hospitalized, the second new development is this cia's assessment that something like what happened last night at turkey's heavily guarded turkey international airport could indeed happen here, that isis is likely planning for it already, the third development is surprising to a lot of people. the airport is back up and running less than 24 hours later and hour by hour as turkey comes to grip with the 8th suicide bombing alone. survivors are coming forward telling their stories. new details are coming to light about how three individuals were
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able to cause damage. we begin tonight with survivor stories with ivan watson. actually let's go to nima elbagi. what is the latest. >> reporter: what is happening here is a sense of the timeline and what you see is how meticulously the plan unfolded. they were able to get into the airport compound not particularly hard because they only searched vehicles that are expected to the outer part of the security perimeter and it is there that they opened fire and undercover of confusion they were able to exchange fire. that is where the first attacker detonated under the cover of confusion, two attackers went through the doors behind me here and pierced through the security perimeter and it is past that way, you see that man who detonated in that video you were just referring to, anderson, the
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third attacker was able to get outside so when those passengers fled, they were met by that third detonation. why the way this unfolded is causing so much concern in the u.s. is that there are very few airports anywhere in the world other than perhaps baghdad that has a fully secured perimeter as you enter into the airport compound. it is just a very, very high state of preparedness and this is something that clearly the attackers are now aware, anderson and are preparing accordingly. >> the u.s. government clearly suspects isis, we heard from turkish prime minister, they expected isis last night is that still the prevailing theory there? >> yes, absolutely, and turkish officials have gone one further. they're going through the process of trying to identify the attackers or what is left of the attackers, they told us that actually really what they're
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dealing with, what they're working with is just the lower half of their bodies but they believe that these men were foreign fighters and that of course, that brings into play all sorts of other scenarios. how did they get into the country, if they did get into the country with the border netwo network, there has to be a safe house where all of the detonations, the explosives were prepared, who else is still out there, who else operated along side of them? that is what the turkish authorities have having to learn very, very quickly, anderson. >> it also seems like, i mean, just from the little bit we knew last night that there were certain similarities in perhaps strategy of the attackers to the brussels airport attack this past march. >> yes, really chilling number of similarities. the way that this unfolded, the use of both machine guns, automatic weaponry and explosives, even the number of
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attackers, three of them, the fact that they started at a point of vulnerability outside the security perimeter in a lot of those we've been speaking to in the intelligence community, it is intentional. mirroring. it is placing turkey along that same continue yum we saw in paris, brussels and istanbul but heartbreakingly also, anderson, the stories we're hearing from the eyewitnesss, from the survivors, are so, so similar. one woman was talking about how much of the damage, how much of the death was caused by those shattering those falling roof tiles, the ceiling tiles and talking about having to slide across the blood soaked floors, that was almost word for word what i was hearing from eyewitnesss in brussels and it is really an intentional echoing litany of terror to not only terrify people who lived through this but keep people in a state
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of awareness, what next and what will that look like. >> is the airport fully operational again? >> extraordinarily, it is, behind me, we've been walking people cue up the same doors that people fled out of yesterday. people violent been orderly going through the security zone, i mean, i watched hundreds of passengers and crew just really feeling the determination to be part of the coming back to life of the airport as you said, this really isn't a unique or isolated event in turkey. unfortunately, they've gotten all too accustomed to try to patch together some kind of sense of normality in the after math of these attacks, anderson. >> i've been watching the story, two survivor as with new details of what went on inside the airport. >> steven nabile and shores just
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got married. >> it was a beautiful wedding to be honest. >> she deserves it. >> after a honeymoon in greece and italy, the couple was on a five hour lay over at istanbul's ataturk airport tuesday night waiting for their night back home to the u.s. that is when the terrorists attacked. >> i literally ordered salads and the pizza slice when the guy turned to put the slice in the oven, i heard the gunshots from far. >> did you recognize that those were gunshots? >> yes. ak-47. >> no question. >> auto matt yiautomatic rifle. >> what is your thoughts. >> she is hurt. the worst nightmare is haunting snus he saw a man with a gun shooting in the departure ease hall. >> i'm not sure if he was the actual gunman or the cops firing at him, but thereto was a gun and there were bullets coming from them. i would see the echos and all of that from the gun. >> reporter: the terrified couple ran and hid in this little kitchen which steven filmed on his phone.
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>> through the door, they heard chaos outside. >> we heard people yelling, stop, stop. >> it looked like somebody is killing somebody else. >> that is when the victims were ones that were streaming. >> steven didn't know whether or not the gun men were still in the airport, on the hunt for more victims. >> at that point i said i'm going to make a video to tell our story because we're going most likely die here. >>. >> speaking in his family's native arabic, he tells them to pray for him. >> i remember, i told them, this is it, this is our last seconds in our life. right here. >> this is when i realized this is the moment i might lose my new family i just made and everything i dreamed for. >> but steven says if a militant came through the door, he wasn't going to go down without a
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fight. >> i was going to kill him. this is it. this is my new life. >> 45 minutes later, the terrified couple eventually emerged to bloody scenes in the airport. >> i want to thank all of the turkish first responders, the ambulances, the drivers, the cops, they're protecting us. they're doing their best. a lot of them were bleeding. they fought it out. >> reporter: an ambulance rushed narneem to a hospital. she is recovering from bruises suffered after being tramped by panicked people fleeing the gunman. but dealing with the emotional trauma has barely begun. >> i want to go back to the states. i told him, i don't want to come back to this country anymore. i don't want to come to the middle east anymore. >> this evening, the couple rushed to catch a flight from another istanbul airport hoping to leave this horrible chapter of their honeymoon far behind.
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>> and ivan watson joins us live from istanbul. you used to live in istanbul. you know this airport incredibly well. it is, i mean, were you surprised they were able to get so close? it was the arrivals as opposed to the departure hall i suppose. >> what is frightening is hearing from eyewitnesss the suggestions that some of the men, two of them perhaps were able to run from one floor of the airport down to the first floor, get from the departures hall down an escalator into the first floor and get the freedom of mobility but what can you do if you have men armed who are doing a camkamakazi run into a place like an international airport and certainly an international airport as busy as this win. just about that couple,
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anderson, first of all, imagine their lack of knowledge about what is going october they don't know if there are three or ten attackers out there. those moments when they were trapped in the little kitchen, the husband, steven, was looking for a weapon to protect his bride and the only thing he could find was a pot of boiling water which he was prepared to try to use to then sacrifice his life to protect his bride. fortunately, that didn't have to happen and both of them say that the fact that they stopped at the vatican during their honeymoon and they lit candles and prayed there, they believe that somebody, something was protecting them throughout this awful ordeal. >> i've been watching in istanbul. ivan thank you. president obama spoke with turkey's president expressing solidarity and along side canada's prime minister he says he believes isis is responsible
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and what he thinks is motivating the attacks. >> they're continually losing ground, unable to govern the areas that they've taken over, that they're going to be defeated in syria, they'll be defeated in iraq. >> and we'll talk more, a little bit later in the program about that notion of isis lashing out because their so called caliphate is being taken from them. let's bring in philip mudd and jul julia keyyan. >> you want names involved. >> we're looking back at the coverage. looking at victims. i have to look forward. think of this is a spider web. in that is a name that gives me a signal on the phones, if i can find a phone, based on things like e-mail addresses, a signal about who game thiv money, who
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gave them false passports. communications that indicate who was back home in syria, as soon as i get that name, i might be able to map that network and say who else is out there for the next one? 42 people are already dead. that is the past. i want a name to figure out the network that will kill us in the future. >> the other question i guess, phil, is were these people trained in turkey? were they, you know, folks who, whether they're turkish descent who went to florida to receive training there are some place else. >> my take is these are people who were sent from syria. i wouldn't call this high end. this is not somebody who is a rank amateur. it is a classic terror program here that is the initial person breaches the perimeter, used to be done with truck bombs by al qaeda, the second truck in this case, the second group of individuals takes advantage of that to move into the facility, that kind of planning, that kind of thinking, you don't get with somebody who hasn't talked to a trained operator. >> we have seen that recently of
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truck bombs going in, creating a breach, and then people on foot going in after that. >> one of the things you have to remember when we're talking about isis and talking about hundreds of people from north america, thousands from western europe is as soon as someone who we refer to as a home grown decides they want to get on a train or a plane and travel to trained operatives in a place like syria. the operational capability takes a huge step up. not only ideology coming out of syria but the capability to transition a 17-year-old or a 20-year-old with modest capabilities into somebody who wants a two stage attack into the airport. >> assuming, if it is isis, i mean, we saw in the wake of the paris attacks, they ultimately released video of paris attackers training, making sort of martyrdom videos, do you expect you would see the same sort of thing here down the road? >> yes, characteristically you would. the only difference here as we've discussed for the past 24 hours, when it comes to terror
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alerts, there is a big question as to who the perpetrator is. >> why would they want the ambiguity? >> turkey usually comes out and says it is probably the pkk, probably the curds. what that you see did -- probably the kurds. it drives a wedge within the turkish political establishment and society. pkk also, when turkey escalates the military campaign against the insurgency, then starts to do, you know, more terrorist attacks. isis is counting to turkey being distracted from the war against isis and focusing on the 40-year-old insurgency. >> julia, we don't know how many people were behind the attack, hard to believe it would just be these three. there is likely a larger nexus of people who are part of the planning like we saw in paris and brussels, correct? >> that is absolutely right. you would have to assume that there are, you know, dozens or at least a dozen people who knew of the planning, these guys have to live. they have to be fed.
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they have to have money, they have to have resources, access to weaponry, so there is no way that this investigation is over simply balls the three of them are dead. look, these guys, they're not, they bomb themselves so we have to get them the blood material, the tissue material to determine who exactly they are and then from that, view them as the bulls eye. from that go in rings to see who this were they in contact with, who are the family members. so this is an investigation in which essentially begins with sort of blood and dna forensics at this stage. >> our panelists will stick around. we'll take a short break. a lot more to talk about including the u.s. intelligence communities take on the attacks and the possibility of them trying something similar here in the united states and why squeezing isis on the home turf may make the rest of the world, the united states included more dangerous. after a long day, jen stops working, but her aleve doesn't. hey mom! because aleve can last 4 hours longer
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one of america's top intelligence official says he would be surprised if isis was not planning new attacks in this country. as for the airport massacre, cia director john brennan says it bears the hallmarks of an isis operation and why in his view the terror group has yet to claim responsibility. >> i think what they do is they carry out these attacks to gain the benefits from it in terms of sending a signal to our turkish partners. at the same time, not wanting to alienating some of those individuals inside of turkey that they may still be trying to gain the support of.
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>> even as the casualties grow, at least 140 people have been killed so far in turkey in eight suicide bombings and back now with the panel. is it possible another reason not to at this point claim any credit for it is to slow the investigation down in terms of the identities of the attackers? to not give any tip-off of who they may be who -- once you have a name, as you said, you'll start to unravel the spiders. >> i think there are a couple of additional explanations. in some of these cases with an organization like isis and not training them all and the first question i have is do they know whether they're actually responsible for this one? it might take them a day or two to say are these our guys? >> so it's not that coordinated necessarily? they're not necessarily in communication with all kinds of different branches? >> that's right. on the day of 9/11 you have three years in preparation saying our guys just did it. clearly, they know centrally directed, trained, funded and in contact with the 9/11 hijackers. are we sure, is this our people?
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is there a question? the second quick explanation is whether they actually are looking at this saying we need to make a claim. terrorism is to intimidate somebody. if they don't know you conducted the operation how can you be intimidated and nobody has a question in this case of who did it. you don't have to have a claim for the turks to say wow, there is a tremendous cause to the intervention in syria. >> it's a weapon of the week that it's used to create a larger reaction that then helps your cause. do you buy that in this case? that the battlefield losses and the loss of fallujah and kind of the difficulty isis is having and holding on to and certainly expanding any territory? yes and no. it's a fallacy to say that this is a new strategy. if you go back to the early days of iraq and abu musab al zarqawi was trying to carry out attacks
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in jordan and they did carry out their 9/11. >> three hotels. >> exactly. isis has always had it in its mind to conduct the foreign operations. before they lost kobani, in september 2014, abu muhammad al adnani and the famous one, pick up the rock and smash the kof ar's head and if you're a muslim, you live in the land of disbelief to carry out these attacks even if you're inspired by the ideology. since it's begun to shrink, it is true that trained up operatives people that have been to raqqah and received the bomb training. remember, you have to volunteer to be a suicide bomber in isis. one of the security officials told me that after he defected. in this, since the loss of this territory they have dispatched these agents abroad to carry out these operations. if those guys and if looks to me, anderson, that those guys that conducted this attack at
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the airport, had some kind of combat training and it was not ultra professional, but it was something. if they were trained in syria i would be very surprised if in the next days or weeks you didn't see a propaganda video on the battlefield holding a knife to the hostage's head and that's exactly what the paris attackers happened after their attack. >> juliette, in terms of threats here in the united states airports and ramping up security at airports in the united states, the protocols vary from airport to airport and a lot of it comes to funding and manpower and technology and frankly, there's only so much you can do because you're moving huge numbers of people through these facilities every day. >> -- i mean, they're called soft targets, not because people are negligent or they want people to be vulnerable and they are open to the public and they want to be welcoming whether it's a football stadium, a concert hall or an airport and we would have to reconceive the
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notion of an airport. it would be you can't say the good-byes and you can't say the hellos and move everyone who is not going through security with a ticket, right? way outside the airport. we're not there yet. i don't think it's feasible, the manpower would be almost impossible. so soft target is sometimes viewed as derogatory and these areas are welcoming for a variety of reasons. >> also, no matter where you set up some sort of a checkpoint to, you know, to check people on the perimeter of an airport, you're still creating a bottleneck for people which is a site of any large gathering of people and it's a site where there could be an attack. >> ten miles away, i have a problem at mile 10.01 so we have an issue coming up. we have a very tactical operational issue which is july 4th weekend. people are nervous and
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aggregating in big groups and you will see a resurgence in the airports and the big concerts and sort of the big moments of july 4th. the longer issue is the isis-inspired or isis directed and that's going to require the layered security we've been talking about. it's not one fix. it's not, we move the perimeter and we get more dogs and we do this. it is a combination of resources to minimize the risk, but recognizing that the risk will not get to zero. the vulnerability will exist so long as it's an open, welcoming place. we are making that choice, you know? >> yeah. we've come to recognize the hallmarks, obviously, of isis terror operations even though there's been no claim of responsibility and the istanbul attack shows a pattern favored by the shooting and the suicide vests. we'll tell you more of what we know about these strategies and suicide attacks next. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips' fiber good gummies plus energy support. it's a fiber supplement that helps support regularity, and includes b vitamins to help convert food to energy.
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as we've been reporting both u.s. intelligence officials and turkish officials say all signs point to isis to the attacks in istanbul. no one bears responsibility. there are grim calling cards soerked with isis, in particular certain types of isis terrorists, the most dangerous type of terrorist, in pack, one who wants to die. randy kaye reports and a warning, this does contain disturbing images. >> reporter: istanbul, brussels, paris.
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three different cities, three well-coordinated attacks. all strikingly similar. at both the istanbul and brussels airports, a group of three men carried out the attack. in both cases the men got to the airport by taxi, all had explosives. in istanbul, they wore suicide vests. in brussels, explosives were hidden in their luggage which they pushed through the airport before detonating. >> at brussels airport in march none of the men carried gun, but at istanbul, they did. there, this terrorist was caught on surveillance video running and firing his weapon before he was shot by an airport police officer. squirming in pain, it appears he is shot again. seconds later, he blows himself up. >> though no one has officially claimed responsibility for the istanbul attack, it's a familiar strategy. shoot civilians dead and detonate a suicide vest, and it's a tactic becoming isis' favorite way to terrorize the
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west. >> the primary difference from a more typical suicide bombing or suicide attacker is that they are heavily armed usually and they go into a place whether it's a theater, a nightclub or restaurant and they try to kill as many people as they possibly can before detonating their explosive vests. >> these types of fighters are called inhamaze, often referred to as suicide warriors. they're trying to kill as many people as possible on the battlefield and while also trying to give your life for the sake of god in one of these operations. >> before istanbul, we saw inghamazi at work at the bataclan theater in paris. in that attack last november, isis fighters, heavily armed and wearing explosives, killed concert goers at random.
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89 people died in that attack. one attacker was killed by gun fire and his own explosives. the two others blew themselves up. >> for them, the mission is not complete if they don't commit suicide at the end. if they are captured alive somehow they do not believe that they reap all of the spiritual benefits and rewards from the operation as they do if they die at the end of it. >> a heavily armed terrorist who wants to die. a deadly combination for anyone who gets in his way. randy kaye, cnn, new york. with us again, cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson, and daily beast editor and co-author of "isis, inside the army of terror" and clarissa ward who you just saw in randi's piece. >> this tactic of using guns and suicide vests to cause as much damage as possible. we saw it in in paris and this attack how new of a tactic is it?
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>> it's not something that perhaps they were prepared for and something this organized and well orchestrated. if you look at what's been taking place on the battlefields across the border from turkey in iraq and syria, we've seen isis using these kinds of jerry-rigged armored vehicles rigged with explosives and they look like something out of mad max and we'll see in the videos that isis puts out a suicide bomber getting into one of those vehicles and driving straight towards front lines to try to soften them up and maybe just not one of these vehicles, but more than one to pave the way for the ground troops that will follow and you can argue in the
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case of ataturk airport that was a similar tactic that would have been used without the armored vehicles with the heavily armed kamikaze fighters who knew where they were going and knew how to break through the defenses of this airport. >> it is interesting, clarissa, how these tactics sort of evolve. i remember in baghdad when the palestine hotel was hit. that was, i think, a truck bomb. one truck bomb opening up a breach and another truck bomb entering to get closer to the building to destroy it and there was the evolution of the mumbai-style attacks which we also saw in afghanistan, of multiple attackers and hitting multiple locations paralyzing a city. so it does seem like these tactics do evolve over the months and the years. >> absolutely, anderson. actually i was in the palestine hotel in the bombing that you're talking about and you're exactly right. it was two car bombs which essentially blew up the barricades that were around the hotel and then a massive truck bomb came in in the gap that was
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created by those first two bombings and it was only because it got caught on razor wire that it detonated and no one was killed. these have been around for awhile. these coordinated attacks are not new, but what we're seeing with isis i think which is interesting is that they're rapidly evolving, they're rapidly adapting and they're improvising. the first thing an isis fighter does when he joins isis is he undergoes intensive training, a kind of boot camp and the training is twofold. it's a military training and a psychological training and one thing that i can't emphasize enough that we have seen before with militant jihadist groups and not perhaps quite to the same level of an nilism with isis is the commitment to death and the absolute resignation, if not excitement to die in the name of these kinds of attacks. >> some called it a death cult essentially. >> it is. you can weed out the men from the boys, if you like.
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in kchk o -- in koban ivlg, one of the isis defectors they went like lemings off of the cliff ones that were the committed, die hard death cultistists, right? other battles where isis was being sent into sudden death where the coalition could spot them from the sky and the kurdish forces on the ground would shoot at them and essentially picking them off one by one and a lot of them ran away and deserted and they didn't want to play this game anymore. the kamikaze warriors as clarissa was saying. on the battlefield they'll shoot you up when they run out of ammunition and they'll actually run up to the enemy and hug him and grab him so that they take them out with him. there was a remarkable story in the wall street journal about how they disappeared from fallujah. they essentially left their comrades to die in these readouts in the hospital in fallujah. there was an isis contingent and they said what about the shabob over there, we'll see them in the after life. don't worry about them.
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this is one of the reasons why they're extending manpower and resources so recklessly. >> we have to leave it there. michael, thank you so much. how the deadly attack unfolded step by step. what we know and what investigators are looking at very closely and the picture coming into focus and detail by detail and tom foreman walks us through. what if we designed a stain for your deck... that not only looked as handsome as charles stephens' barrel on his farewell voyage over niagara falls... but stood up to any kind of weather... matter if the forecast is this... ...or this... ...or this. if a stain can make your deck beautiful and survive any amount of torture... it still stain? arborcoat from benjamin moore ranks highest in customer satisfaction by jd power. youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
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of how the attack unfolded and tom foreman is at the virtual wall to walk us through it. >> let's take a look at the layout of this airport because as you mentioned 9:50 in the evening and that's when the taxi with the three gunmen pulled up to this entrance to the lower level here. they immediately got out and the shooting started almost immediately and that's where one of the gunmen actually set off his explosive in this area, roughly where they pulled up. we don't know why he set it off there. it is not clear yet whether he tried to get into the building and could not and did it right off the bat and his explosion happened right in the general area and according to eyewitnesses it may have been the most powerful of the blast. second gunman, let's look where he went. he went further down the concourse here and actually broke through that security cordon there or was on the other side of it, at least, by the time he reached this portion in the middle.
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he's the one who made it to that arrival section. again, still on the lower level. this is where this video has occurred that you are seeing a great deal where the bomb went off and there seemed to be an awful lot of people around. >> one of the problems seems to have been, was there a lot of confusion now. people were hearing gun fire. they didn't know which way to go, and plus, bear in mind, arrivals area there are people getting off planes that have no idea anything is going on who just walk into all of this chaos. >> third gunman, we also know now the third gunman actually went all of the way to the other end of the airport and he went to the floor above where they pulled in and that's where he was shooting at people. you may remember seeing this corner not so much looking like this, but looking like this. this is where he came around the energy. he was shot by that police officer and you see him on the ground there and that's where he set off his explosive and after it appears, plenty of time for people to get out of the way and probably not as much damage down there, but three gunmen, we know that now,
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anderson and now we have pinpointed pretty much exactly where they set off their blast. >> tom, i talked to a number of people who were there who were sort of confused on how long all of this actually took. do you have a sense now of the time line? >> i agree with you, anderson. that is very confusing right now. at least one pretty experienced person said that he thought it was 15 minutes. that is a tremendous amount of time for something like this to still be going on. it's not impossible, but it's a long time. other people put it in much shorter period of time. what we do know is however long it was, it was long enough to see the hallmarks of exactly when you've been talking about, a planned attack. they didn't just jump out and set off their explosives the minute they got out of the car. one seems to have done something like that, but the other two clearly spread out and tried to penetrate, tried to do as much damage by shooting first before setting off their explosives all
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the more reason that investigators are looking closely to say did they have help? how did they plan this? this wasn't so much just a rash decision at a moment and it looks like they really wanted to hit the airport in different locations and do as much damage as possible before their suicide bomb went off. >> tom foreman, thank you. >> no one can see the video of the istanbul attack and not have a reaction and that includes the the two people who could be the president of the nas united sta in voters minds. next. because aleve can last 4 hours longer than tylenol 8 hour. what will you do with your aleve hours? everything you're preyou were once,w, well, pretty bad at. but you learned. and got better.
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the attack on the airport in istanbul presents another opportunity to see how the presumptive presidential nominees react in the face of tragedy. hillary clinton put out a statement. donald trump talked about fighting fire with fire renewing his stance to use waterboarding or worse, whatever worse may be. very different approaches and what is resonating most with voters tasked with choosing the next commander in chief. john king shows what the polling does show. as voters watch events like istanbul and consider the vote for president john, does either trump or clinton have a particular advantage? >> no, anderson, they don't. there are questions at the heart
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and a split verdict. let's look at this question. the quinnipiac university poll out today, who were best prepared to be president? who is best prepared to be president? . pretty big advantage there. hillary clinton, 58% and 33% and just the big picture question and which one of the candidates is best prepared to be your commander in chief. here's another clinton lead on who is best to handle an international crisis and when you think more big picture, her experience seems to weigh out over donald trump, but then you get into different questions. who is the strongest leader? mr. trump's brand is strength and he leads on that question and when voters are specifically asked who do you think would best handle isis? donald trump has quite a significant lead. he is talking about bringing back waterboarding and fighting fire with fire and his tough talk seems to win over. her strength and toughness helps on others. >> voters are conflicted on the commander in chief question. >> let's look at it in more detail.
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asks a series of questions. nbc/wall street journal poll out, and it's a split verdict and fascinating. who would best stand who would best handle terrorism and donald trump with an edge on that one and who would be a good commander in chief? hillary clinton has the edge. who is best able to handle a crisis? >> hillary clinton has the significant edge. so on questions of the head, if you will, you think about who can handle this over time, she seems to win. on questions of more visceral heart and strength, he seems to win. so it is a mixed message from voters. >> there has to be differences across demographic lines. >> what's interesting, on these security questions, commander in chief questions, you have the same splits whether it is immigration, the economy, white americans versus nonwhite americans. especially white men. donald trump's biggest strength is white men. who is best on terrorism and homeland security? donald trump has a 31-point edge with white men.
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hillary clinton had has a huge advantage with nonwhite voters. then you flip the question here, hillary clinton has the advantage. who would best be commander in chief, a 12-point advantage nationally. but, wow, hillary clinton has a 60-point advantage on nonwhites. so white men view the world and very differently than non white >> stay with us. s. we want to bring in gloria borger and patrick healy. i assume the clinton people thought the secretary of state clinton's experience as secretary of state, they would have had an advantage on foreign policy. >> right. however, they're up against somebody, as john was saying, who is perceived to have great strength. so what they're now looking at is saying, okay, he might be perceived as having great strength but he is a risk. he doesn't have the temperament to be commander in chief. on the risk front, they will point to things he said on
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foreign policy. he has taken back on the ban on muslims. and he will turn to her and say you were part of this administration and we still have isis and terrorists. >> and the arab spring happened on your watch. >> so experience can cut both ways. >> clearly, donald trump seems to be, i'm not sure if reigning in is the right word but his campaign has become more traditional. i assume, that probably helps him fight back on that temperament issue. >> i think it does. usually he would put out a statement after a bombing like this in which he got in a line about crooked hillary or he went on and on at length about tangents. instead, he put out a short tight statement and hit the same points over and over again about america being tougher. america having to stand up for itself. america doing whatever it will take to protect itself. whereas hillary clinton, one of the first things she talked about was nato and receiving out to allies and the need on work
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multilaterally with other countries. this goes, whether it is brexit, a lot of the white men in different swing states, how they're feeling about america and its place in the world. hillary clinton will have a tough time selling this idea that nato is going to be the answer to protect us when so many americans feel, one poll said three quarters of americans feel refugees coming out of syria and iraq a major threat to the united states. so he has, he still has that more pointed emotional appeal. >> i remember back in 2004 days before the election. osama bin laden released a videotape message threatening america. john kerry pointed that as costing him the election. there are still four months left in the campaign. things are still very fluid. >> so we're having this discussion at the end of june, close to july. both candidates are trying to shape this conversation heading into the conventions to try to use that platform. if we were having this
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conversation in october, it could be a very different conversation. inside the clinton campaign, they want to use the convention and any public statements to say donald trump is not thoughtful or methodical. he is not calm, cool and steady. you don't want him in the situation room on a given day. mr. trump says, look at their record. it could be very different that there is an event late in the campaign, say september or october. >> the more dug in, the more the lines are drawn. it does come down to more undecided voters in swing states. >> and we're not sure how many undecided voters there are. i don't think it is a huge group. there are going to be some people who come down as a result of terrorism. particularly if you have events like we just saw in turkey. more and more people will care about tourism. in the end it will be about these people, these candidates getting the voters to the polls and mobilizing them rather than persuading.
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>> hillary clinton has the problem, there are many people in the democratic party who view her as too hawkish. so she's got to show herself being tough and yet there is a lot of folks who see her as too tough. >> absolutely. she is already claiming the democratic party is unified. that's just not the case. there are a lot of people who have misgivings. on foreign policy, hillary clinton will be possibly more like george w. bush or roberts gates than barack obama. they're not sure. when the trust question comes up for -- for republicans, they don't trust her on so many things. for democrats, it is about foreign policy. will she take that multilateral not get us engaged in other countries approach. or will she be so much tougher? and with undecided voters, i think the question becomes, is this going to be a referendum on donald trump and his temperament or is this a referendum of do we want four more years of more of
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the same which is hillary. and i think for undecided voters, there are different sizes. >> and on foreign policy, you can make the case, as hillary has, that she's more muscular than obama, particularly on syria, for example, which might work with republicans, not with the democrats. >> thank you. a lot more ahead on this two-hour edition of "360" you go there a newly wed couple on their way home. they thought they were going to die. plus new details about how the terrorists carried out the deadly attack. "why are you checking your credit score?" "you don't want to live with mom and dad forever, do you?" "boo!" (laughs) "i'm making smoothies!" "well...i'm not changing." "so, how can i check my credit score?" "credit karma. don't worry, it's free."
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good evening. thank you for joining us. the death toll climb in the turkish airport bombing now at 42. concerns are growing within the community that isis will try something like it here. also, more incredible stories are emerging of survival in the face of an attack designed plain and simple to kill as many as possible. still one of the stories from the last hour, newlyweds who thought they were going to die. we'll see them again this hour. now with that and all the other late developments from istanbul's airport which is back up and running. do we have any clear picture of what actually happened and who is behind it? >> reporter: we know that the authorities are pointing the finger at the number one suspect being isis. we know there were three