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own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria, thank you for watching. . hey, good morning, and haech independence day weekend, this is reliable sources, we look at the story behind the story about news and pop culture. ahead this hour, interviewing donald trump, do journalists need to change not just what questions they ask, but how they ask? and hillary clinton, she's the first female nominee of any party. but jill stein is reaching out to bernie sanders supporters. but will the media pay attention? plus speaking of sanders, some may still feel the bern. but first, let's level with
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each other, do you feel like there election is never going to end? if so, i have some good news for you, we're actually past the halfway mark. we did the math, it was 152 days ago when the first votes were cast in the iowa caw kwuccaucus. and voters will head to the polls in 127 days. just 127 days. so we need to ask, which candidate is more difficult to cover? i thought this week was revealing with trump taking some steps to change his tone. he hired a top ted cruz aid as his communications director. and he's using a teleprompter more often and he's even posting some rather boring and campaign style tweets. you can see in some ways his organization is changing, but hillary clinton still has hundreds of staffers versus his who doesn't. the gop released it's final
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constitutional report about benghazi. meanwhile what an issue this was, clinton campaigning with senator elizabeth warren in ohio fueling vp speculation. which candidate is harder for the press to cover and why? let's go behind the scenes with two special guests, one of the top editors of the "new york times," carolyn ryan, the paper's senior editor for politics and steve braille, a contributing editor of the atlanta. you oversee the newsrooms of the "new york times," which c candidate would you say is harder to cover? >> it's hard to say. i have about 20 reporters now covering the campaign, it's only a slight exaggeration to say that at least one of them will be talking to donald trump. he's hyper available, he used to
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just have one secretary field all the calls, you could get him on the phone very easily. >> so you're saying he is harder to cover than clinton? >> she is harder because she is so closed off. there are so many layers in her campaign. part of the reason is because people know her already, to get fresh stories about hillary clinton. but it's difficult to humanize her. >> so trump at least is accessible. do you agree that clinton is the harder candidate for the press to get its collective arms around and to cover? >> not at all. as you know, brian, i'm a big believer in the idea that access is not necessary for good journalist and in fact access often impedes or distorts good journalism. and in the case of trump, you have the best example. the reason trump is harder to cover is he is the first candidate in modern times who
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just is absolutely positively willing to make things up as he goes along and say the opposite of what is true, and reporters can take that down or we can listen to it if he calls into cnn in the morning. and then you have to double back, if you double back and find out that he's made this up or that he's just been lying. so the way you need to cover trump is very different. you take that access, but you stop him mid sentence, just to take an obvious example. he always repeats the idea in interviews that he has lots of muslim friends who agree with his idea to ban muslims, why hasn't one reporter stopped him right there and said well can you name one of those friends. >> and then he says i would rather not time them, so the journalist should say why should we believe you?
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>> i worry because he's seductive and intimidating and kind of a grandiose figure prone to very sweeping statements and you have to be aggressive and relechbtless on the fact checking and there's so much that collides with realty or constitutional authority. i'll give you one example. frequently when he talked about trump university when the controversy began, he would say the reviews have been so positive, the students who went through our program were so universally positive about it. and we went back and found out the way they did those reviews were sort of coercive on what they wrote down. we have a fact checking machinery that is always pointing out. the other thing that we're doing, and you notice this in our stories, especially big stories on the front page is that you're fact checking in the text of the story. so he makes a statement, you
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don't sort of wait to do a fact check or run it later, paragraph by paragraph you have to do that. >> you've been a leader on this, you were in on this very early on, you pointed to this topic, do you feel like americans have been informed fully of trump university and other controversies involving it? >> it took a while, but yes, and in fact the times has done a terrific job with this. i'll just add by the way that his website has 10,000 rave reviews in paying customers from trump university. the litigation documents say there was 7,500 customers in total. the whole thing is a scam, the answer is a scam and the danger in covering trump is you have to be fast on your feet and as the times is now doing and as cnn is now doing, you have to fact check as you're doing the reporting, it doesn't do as much good to do it four or five days
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later. >> carolyn, take me behind the scenes about what it's like in your newsroom. do you talk about whether you have to cover trump fundamentally differently? donna martin has said, trump is not normal, we can't treat him like he's normal, he's outside the norms of presidential campaigns. do you have to keep repeating that? >> there's a tendency in the broader media where they grade him on the curve. >> what do you mean. >> meaning he does something that's fairly outrageous, or would be outrageous for any other candidate, he's sort of rated on the curve. and the other thing they worry about a lot is both of them are pretty unpopular in the broader electorate and they hate when that is pointed out that they're both kind of broadly viewed negatively by a majority of the public. >> so you're from lights out when you all repeat that in fact
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in stories? >> there's a concerning from people that basically they're running against someone who they see as sort of clownish and they don't even like them to be sort of in the same framing, and yet you find difficult to cover the campaign on a daily basis, they make it difficult these campaign aides are saying by having it in a bubble. >> you look at clinton's problems in the american electorate are not related to confidence, they're related to trust and likability. . and it feels like those stories they don't want to cooperate with, the humanizing stories, would kind of connect with i'm in a different way. >> you mean make people available for interviews? make family members available for interviews? >> tell us the personal side, bring us behind the scenes, talk to the reporter who's doing some
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story about your past. it ended up, i think readers viewed is it as a very pass tiff story, but their wariness of the press is pretty sweeping so they don't want to take part in that kind of thing. >> polar opposites, clinton and trump in their treatment of the press. >> on the other side of the break, we're going to ask are journalists asking donald trump the wrong kinds of questions. and the ceos of aol, and iheart radio. they're all ruined. help yourself! oh no, we couldn...okay thanks, hebrew national. a hot dog you can trust.
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this is from npr, he did hid home work, finding a quote from 2008.
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and it resulted in this response in the president. >> how that reaction says a lot. the president doesn't think that trump will win, but trump is everywhere. but interviewing him is a difficult, dell at the art. he's often accused as we just talked about at the commercial
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break of dodging questions from reporters. steven brell talked about at least seven questions that the press needs to be asking donald trump. they need to be closed ended with either a numeric or yes or none noness -- yes or no answer. >> you think yes or no questions would makes a big difference with trump? >> i think they would help. i would add that trump being graded on a curve compared to his most outrageous things, not compared to what a normal candidate does. part of that phenomenon is that we have forgot on the really outrageous or incredible things or just lies that trump has done a month ago or two months ago because he says something new now, so in effect he gets away
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with it. the best example by the way is when was the last time a reporter asked donald trump if he still believes that barack obama was not born in the united states? >> i guess without getting into the specific details of stories that we have coming, i wouldn't say in a very sweeping way that those questions haven't been asked. >> you're saying you're pursuing some of these specific things. but what about this yes or no idea, the question needs to be so specific that he can't be let off the hook? >> he likes to speak in very sweeping ways, one good example of this, i don't know if you saw the interview that david and maggie today on foreign policy with trump, they specifically went region by region and we ran the whole transcript and they went back for a second interview and really pressed him on his questions when he would say something vague or insend area, because i think you're right,
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getting to the specificity and getting to his statements and his slogans is the changes for the press right now. >> some people don't believe he's telling the truth when he's answering anyway. in the last block you were saying he's making it up as he goes along so is there a tension between these two ideas? >> he doesn't have any views on issues, he doesn't care about issues, his view on issues is the equivalent of what he should put down in the syllabus for trump university. give one example of a successful operating business he has ever run? we know he makes money licensing his name to luxury apartment buildings on the west side or where licensing his name to hotels. has he every run in his life a
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successful operating business, and when he says yes, ask him for an example and ask him for a profit and loss statement from that business. that is his resume, that is hiss claim to run for president. no reporter as best i can tell has asked him that specific question show us where you ever ran one single successful business, ever. >> do you find yourself carolyn with sort of a long list of stories that you wish you all could be doing and only a limited amount of time to do them? too many stories and not enough time. >> there's a lot of stories and a lot of questions, but a lot of what steve's getting at, the particulars of his business interests, the particulars of success or failure, i wouldn't say that we're not doing, i think those are lines of inquiye that are very much under way. >> earlier we talked about
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birtherism, that trump claims that obama wasn't born in the united states. he always has the same answer, he says i don't talk about that anymore. i don't talk about that anymore. i pressed him a little bit, he said i love to talk about it. but then that's all i'll be able to talk about. so he's trying to stay on message. so is the bottomline here that it's impossible to pin him down? >> it is not impossible, but you have to mr. relentless and you have to with stand his initial defleckations and it takes a long time and you have to keep him on the phone or in person keep pressing him. >> perhaps hardcore gop believers or moderates who are interested in trurp, you're just beating up on donald trump. >> i think the emotional reason
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ates, they're not going to be pouring over fact checks, what they want is somebody who sticks up for them and they really feel like he does and he is acknowledging them and voicing their concerns in a way that hasn't been done in politics. so they're not going to be looking at the specifics of his policies, they have emblased him as a successful businessman and i don't think that a lot of reporting is going to change those hardcore's minds. >> i think the focus ought to not be on the issues at matter. but the focus needs to be do they have a right to depend on him for speaking up for them. the people who enrolled in trump university which was the same kind of deal found out knavesn't the case.
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does he really speak for you? can you count on him? when he says that this book that i'm publishing that all the proceeds have gone to charity, is he telling the truth? if he's not, then why do you think he's telling you the truth about acting for you once he gets to the white house. >> an outstanding time to mbe a political reporter, isn't it? is the media getting short stripped to third party can dats? jill stein joins me. and why are millennials so distrustful of the media? that was such a jewel among paints that you had to seek it out. nope, even easier than that. more like taking a left on that street where you usually take a right that wasn't so hard. and if finding that paint made you and
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welcome back to reliable sources. do third party candidates stand a chance in this election? and regardless of the answer, should news outlets like cnn pay for attention to them. we looked at the last five polls where gary johnson is getting 7% to 10% support. green party candidate jill stein is getting 3% to 7% support in a hypothetical three-way --
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steiner has only 2% favorability rating. sounds tiny, right? but 88% of voters haven't heard enough about her to have an opinion. so that explains the low numbers. so i ask, what is a third party candidate to do to be taken seriously by both voters and the media. dr. stein, you're on track to be the party's nominee like you were in 2012, back then you had less than 1% of the popular vote. what's difference in 2016? >> i think we were ahead of the curve in 2012, and in 2016, the issues we were talking about in 2012, is the campaign now, the need for jobs, the need to get students out of debt. we're the only campaign who called for canceling student debt. we're calling for free public
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higher education. we were back there in 2012, now virtually all the candidates are recognizing that is a crisis. we have been ahead of the curve on the climate. we need a new green deal. >> maybe vice versa--what we have in common with sanders is that neither of us take money from the lobbyists, from the big superpacks and the pacs. and i think that's very much what the american people are clamoring for. >> what are you doing today to court sanders' supporters? >> mainly what we're doing is getting the word out. >> you were on cnn's new day recently, cnn had a libertarian town hall, are you finding that the media is taking third and fourth parties more seriously this year?
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>> and we're waiting for that town hall as well. we have gone from -- there's been a virtual blackout on our campaign, unlike the johnson campaign. >> when you say blackout, do you think it's intentional, this relative lack of coverage? the libertarian party has made a lot more progress toward getting on the ballot in various states, do you think the blackout is intentional? >> the realty is we're almost down as many states as the libertarians, they're just using this as a promotion campaign, saying they're going to be on the ballot in all states. there's no doubt we're going to be on the ballot for just about every voter, we're already on for a majority of voters all across the country, voters have not only a right to vote, but they have a right to know who they can vote for.
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so we're fighting for coverage, i encourage people to go to my website, and to actually open up the election, because this is what voters are actually clamoring for this this case, we have the highest disapproval ratings for clinton and trump. people are clamoring for someone else. let's give them what they are demanding. >> the commission on presidential debates requires 15% support from an average of five national polls in order to get on the debate stage. right now johnson is closer than you r but both of you are quite below the 15% threshold. either the commission has to change that threshold and do you think it's possible you could get to 15% by the fall? >> we have tripled our numbers in one month without any main stream coverage. so we could get to 15%.
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but we have challenged the 15% rule. because you know the league of women voters said when they quit the commission on presidential debates about 20 years ago, they quit saying that this was a fraud being perpetrated on the american voter because of the way the dialogue is basically limited to silence opposition, to silence political opposition, and that's not what a democracy is, we think that if a candidate is on the ballot for the majority of voters and could actually win the election, voters have a right to know who in candidate is. >> i think some liberals would be worried about you taking votes away from clinton in the fall, while you're on the ballots in various states, what do you say when you're worried you might help trump get elected. >> we have to flip the vote. we have a majority of voter who
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are clamoring supporters, even the majority of trump supporters they actually oppose hillary clinton and the majority of people who support hillary clinton, are actually voting against trump. we need something that is not bought and paid for by the big players, by the big banks, by the war profit years, we are above, by and for the people so we can stand up for what it is that people are actually clamoring for right now. >> great talking with you. coming up here on reliable sources, another underrepresented voice in the media, millennials. we have assembled a panel that you'll have to hear from. and later, someone just a little bit older, ryan sechrest,
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watch out baby boomers, you have some serious competition from millennials. according to pew research, an estimated 69.2 million, just voting is age u.s. citizens,
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versus 69.7 million for baby boomers. that's a lot of potential voting power among young people in this year's presidential election. but is the press paying enough attention to this voting bloc and how powerful will it really be? and how much do millennials trust or distrust the media, even as they learn about the election. only 27% of millennials think that the news media what a positivism pact on the way things are going in this country. whether they turn out in this election or not, death down the road. let me ask three of them right now, jake horowitz, elizabeth plank, and jamie winestein, i thank you all for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> thanks, bryan. >> thank you. >> has this election been a giant disappointment for young
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people, the tone of it and what's being debated? >> i think young people, not just millennials have found this a tough one to watch and a tough one to follow. but millennials are probably one of the first generations to be worse off than their parents, 2008 was a big year for the millennial vote. they're really looking for that change canada. it's interesting to see trump try and change his messaging to potentially be that change candidate in these economic policy speech this weeks, we saw him say, i'm change, i'm not obama change, but i am change. it will be interesting to see if he can dwlifr on that change, but in a way it felt almost like a bernie sanders speech, he was talking about the system is rigged, we got to gets those elites out. and basically appealing to millennials who don't really like politicians and who are
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disgruntled. >> jamey, do you agree with what scle's saying? >> i do agree with what she's saying, in some aspects, trump is appealing millennials, that's where the greatest energy was on the bernie sanders side. but i think, you know, i agree, i think this might be the lowest turnout of electorate for millennials in some time. >> that's saying something. >> it is saying quite a bit. millennials certainly don't like trump, but they don't like hillary clinton either. so when you have a choice between political malaria and political ebola, people will choose the lesser of the two evils. >> we just had jill stein on the program, also jerry johnson, do you think either one of them are
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malaria or ebola? >> i think garry johnson or still stein would be that person to excite someone. there's still the never trump efforts to find a candidate to jump in. perhaps they will jump in and give that penicillin. >> you have two catastrophically, historically unpopular candidates, it's amazing to me that no one tries to jump into that void. >> so we're talking about the disappointment of the election cycle. there's a whole crop of these sites trying to engage young people. do you feel like with your election coverage to try to explain to a 25-year-old why they do need to pay attention and vote this year? >> definitely. as you point out, this is the most important and largest voting bloc in the united
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states, 61 million strong. it's actually been very issue focused? >> you think so? >> bernie sanders came out of nowhere talking about income inequality and college debt. he attracted this generation in enormous numbers, maybe more than obama did in 2008 and 2012. >> why do so many millennials distrust the media? why is that a market that exists just to attract young people. >> i think the political coverage has been dominated by a sort of he said/she said, who's up in the polls, taking every little sound bite, everything that trump says as fact rather than trying to take on some of these core issues that this generation cares about. really challenge the premise that a lot of these candidates have put out there on a lot of the other issues, i think also this generation consumes media wildly differently. >> that's a point to get to. let me ask you about that. you are an avid snap chatter,
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what is i about these new formats, how does it make consumption of news different? >> it changes everything. a lot of millennials watch your show. but some of them don't watch tv, some of them are getting their news in other ways, they're getting it from snap chat, they're getting it from facebook, they're getting it from texting with friends. my parents used to go and get their newspaper at the door and i turn on my phone. the way the candidates are communicating with millennials is going to be extremely important. we have seen donald trump really take advantage of social media in a very powerful way, not rely on the main stream cable news media to get coverage. there are a lot of millennials who don't have a tv but have s
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see donald trump in their news feeds every day. we saw hillary clinton make history in her delete your account tweet that she did. have voters and young people can feel like they're having an actual relationship with the candidates. >> she's almost built a media company over in brooke brooklyn. >> she's a good point and she's got hundreds of staffers. >> the thinking was that they were going to engage in twitter town halls and q & as and r reddid. you have trump who's a natural, he's on twitter all the time. just by the name nature of how he understands media, he's able to attract attention. we'll see if she's able to
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leverage these platforms where these millennials are. >> it's hard to think of hillary as a media company and trump's as well. i think amount of the -- there's this perception that most voters that are young are liberal. what do they want different than older readers? >> i don't know if they want anything particularly differently. and i think sometimes we oversegment people. you mentioned earlier that millennials don't trust the media, well, guess what? americans don't trust the media. i get the biggest applause on the republican side, but i don't see hillary clinton praising the media to cheers. i think in some ways millennials are different as consumers of news as a whole so i don't think
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just tayloring things to them will change the game. and hillary clinton trying to use snap chat, i remember some of the things she did in the beginning of the primary. it didn't resonate well. i think they should be authentic, don't do things just to impress young people. they're going to sense a phony, if you're trying to do these cool trick things on instagram or snap chat, you're not going to appear authentic. >> as a millennial myself, i felt uncomfortable with snap chat, and i finally got on board recently. for those who are out there who don't know what i'm talking about, try it out. speaking of new technology, come with me to the south of france, for the ad festival, i sat down with some of the top players in media about the past and the future.
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. every form of media ever invented now fits inside the four borders of this smart phone screen. as viewers, this is changing the way that you and i interact with the news, and it's also changing the way producers and advertisers do what they do. i could sense it last year at the cannes lions festival. it's basically the biggest advertising festival in the world. they're thrilled about the opportunities. so while i was in cannes, i sat down with five of the head honchos of media, to talk about
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how newspapers, magazines, tv news and websites are all trying to adapt. -- between now and 2020. surprisingly, he also said, it's the printed page. watch. >> because it's so valuable to our consumers, we want to try and deliver a great product, for the foreseeable future, i think there's at least a decade, maybe more, of profitable activity, making the "new york times" and delivering it and delighting readers. >> i think that's kind of a relief to hear. morn a decade. wow, in 2016, there's no way there will be print newspapers anymore. >> i want to be clear, that the times has natural strengths and advantages that very few other people in the world have. the fact that the u.s. rather
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oddly has very few national newspapers, the times, journal, usa today. it's not been very competitive in terms of national advertising and so fourth. but our big els problem is that kbrachbd, the incredible journalists in the newsrooms. one of our big tasks in terms of doubling our revenue. >> so web subscriptions are the future of the time. but web print is part of the future as well. she told me something similar to what thompson said. nicole is on the board of snap chat, one of the fastest growing companies on the planet. but sometimes she says that people just want to be unplugged. >> so many brand extensions, the magazine is the sort of monthly
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hub, if you like. but we think of readers waking up and checking it on snap there moments of the day when you have unplugged in. moments of the day you feel so jazzed and spent so much time on your phone or computer thaw need downtime. that's where the magazine comes in. i call it 560. not even 360. a circle and a half because there is so much. >> people still need print. >> you need to put your phone down. there is something nice about print and that taxes our relationship. >> now from print to audio and
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radio. on the radio stations across the country. i spoke with the ceo and one of the biggest stars, ryan seacrest. what do you find about how consumers are changing. >> you have to make a first impression in three seconds. attention spans are far less than they were. it pushes us and challenges us to do more and better and be more creative. you see that loyalty is valuable. having the ability to communicate on a regular basis. it's hard to find that in any other medium. >> it's interesting to hear him use words like loyalty.
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he is talking about relationships. relationships between the listener and the host. >> we don't think of radio as am-fm. we are with you in the car and while you are saving and the one you develop the relationship with. we use am-fm and i heart radio, you get it on your phone and video game machines. we are on snap chat and discovery channels. >> there is that snap chat mention again. >> we have to ask about the tv that made him such a star. will "american idol" come back? it has been a couple of years since it has gone off the air. are you looking for a new idol?
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do you want a new show like that? >> i don't know that you can recreate what they did, but i love the platform it was. i'm open to anything to share great contents. >> do you think it will come back? >> i would be interested in who the host was. >> also as a live stream on the web. they are figuring out how to take what dhi best and do it digital low. >> what's next. virtual reality was one of the hottest topics. aol just bought a virtual reality studio. i asked tim armstrong putting on the head set going into virtual
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space is such a game changer. >> i think there will be 500 mill yon yon people and it's a big growth market. the content will go faster. the things that hold it back is the connectivity speed and devices. very fast and the devices work very well. you will have a growth market and you look at what's happening in the world, wouldn't you rather feel like one of the participants and what they felt and if it's positive or negative. you want the human condition experience. you are look forward to cnn or aol, you will have more experience than a straight content interaction. that's where they will change the way people feel about news and events in the future of
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content. there will be bumpy periods, but people want to experience the content. >> you can see more interviews on taking a turn to press independence. a sad wlealt it comes to murdered journalists. oh, honey! oh! here, have some of ours. oh! hebrew national. a hot dog you can trust. ♪uh oh. oh. henry! oh my. good, you're good. back, back, back. (vo) according to kelley blue book, subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru,
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welcome back to reliable source. before we celebrate the july fourth weekend, it's independence from the press. going out and gathering the news remains dangerous in many
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corners of the world. just one month ago, npr photographer and his afghan interpreter were killed on assignment in afghanistan. this is not unusual. the "new york times" highlighted this data and not including combat-related deaths, at least 1,195 journalists have been killed on the job since 1992 according to the committee to protect journalists. in these murder cases, only 13% resulted in prosecutions. why such a low number? there not any firm answers, but they cite for many nations, journalist deaths are a low priority or politically challenging to prosecute. we remember the original fight for liberty and we honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice. that's all for this televised edition of reliable sources.
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