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that's it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> donald trump says something you'd never expect. tonight in north carolina donald trump, one we've never seen before. >> sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. i have done that. [ applause ]
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and believe it or not, i regret it. and i do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. >> that was not off the cuff, but the question is is it the new dawn of the new and improved trump. plus american swimmers may be in over their heads. rio police say it wasn't robbery, it was a lie. they say ryan lochte, jimmy feigen jack conger and gunn
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gunnar bentz lied. >> this is what i heard, it's an important acknowledgement that mistakes were made. amends are an important part of life. very happy. i think what we saw tonight from donald trump tonight was something that democrats should fear. he stayed on message but he didn't do it in a shticky way, he did it in a serious way. >> people, commentators, pundits and even republicans have been saying this is what he should do. >> i think they're still going to say we like donald trump, donald trump is one of our guys and the fact of the matter is
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who are they going to go support? they're not going to support hillary clinton. >> you understand my point, right? >> in doubt about it. >> every time someone says that, they're just anti-trump, even for conservatives. now donald trump is doing, the criticism of him, i'm wondering what the response of that will be. >> he also says i'm not a politician, i'm not a politician. to win in november, you have to sound like a politician. >> here's a key moment. >> sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. i have done that. and believe it or not, i regret it.
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and i do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. >> so donald trump regrets something? >> you no, 13 months ago i was with donald trump in iowa. he asked in front of an audience of social conservatives have you ever asked god for forgiveness? he said no. look where we are 13 months later, 80 some-odd days before the election, donald trump coming out and saying that. i think that was the most important part of the speech. it goes back to what the senior republican said to me tonight, making amends is very important. that's what he did tonight. >> i'm wondering how some of his surrogates will respond. again, i asked you that initially before the sound bite because they have been defending everything he says, say he shouldn't regret it. what does that mean for them, for all the people saying donald trump shouldn't regret it, he's saying what he feels. now he's saying i do regret something. >> we're in the last lap of a marathon right now. if you want to win and you've got to do everything you can to
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win, do i think that some folks might look at donald trump and say why isn't donald trump continuing to be donald trump and being shticky up there. that's not going to win. in the end if you were for donald trump before the speech, you're for donald trump after the speech. >> do you think he's finally gotten it where everyone has been saying, again, if he would not be so bombastic, if he would just reach out to the middle, if he would just not insult people so much, maybe i might support this guy. do you think he's finally -- clearly that's a kellyanne influence. >> and kellyanne who has been on the show many times, clearly she wrote that speech. we've gone down that road where we thought he's grown into a traditional candidate, tomorrow he can blow this off. >> the clinton campaign said donald trump started his campaign by insulting people. he has continued to do so for
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each of the 428 days from them until now without shame or regret. we learned tonight his speech writer and teleprompter eer kne has much for which he should apologize. but that apology tonight is simply a well-written phrase until he tells us which of his many offensive, bullying and divisive comments he regrets and changes his tune altogether. >> i want to bring in the son of ronald reagan, author of "the strength my father taught me" and jack kingston, a senior adviser to the trump campaign. good evening, gentlemen. thank you for joining the panel and the show. congressman kingston, you're a
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senior trump adviser. what can you tell us about this speech? who wrote it? when did it come together? >> i'm not sure that kellyanne wrote it but her signature is all over it. i think what we heard tonight was a tough speech. he talked about substance, he talked about nafta, he talked about sanctuary cities, about law and order but at the same time he had the soft part. and it was much needed. he wanted to apologize, he said it, it was well received. i think those of us who have been in elected office have often said things you regret and you hate that moment but there's also that wonderful moment in america where people somewhat forgive. when you reach out, you want to reconcile. >> how do you think his core supporters, those who think i don't want him to change, i want him to be that outspoken, you know, in their words not politically correct person who just says things that they think are okay but may be insulting to other people. >> i think you saw the core supporters there tonight give him a loud cheer and applause when he apologized.
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i think his core supporters appreciate the fact that, you know, sometimes you get in front of yourself and you got to backtrack and say something, you know, apologize and i think it's fine. what they would be i think leery of if he said i might be for the trade agreement now or maybe now i don't -- he's not changing policy, he's saying i have to apologize for things that i've said, the pain i've caused but he did not change his policies, which is why his core supporters are supporting him. >> now to you, michael. what's your reaction? is all forgiven now you think? >> el witwell, you follow me on twitter. i feel vindicated to some point because i've been saying this for 13 months. >> that's the point i was making to mark. many who have been deemed as anti-trump have been saying this forever and now he's doing it. i'm wondering, same question to you, if his core supporters are going to say trump is now
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anti-trump? >> well, if they want to win, they can't say that. if they want to win, they have to go with this donald trump because this is the only way to the finish line in november is this kind of a donald trump. what donald trump was doing today was reaching out to the bushes, reaching out to the cruzes, reaching out to the hispanic community, the area he needs to go into to win. he's going to need those votes in order to get across that finish line. if the core supporters want him to not do that, then they also want him to spend the rest of his life in trump towers. >> you said this was the bush, the core republican voters, the core that's usually with republicans. let talk about african-americans because he spoke about african-americans as well. let's listen. >> if african-american voters give donald trump a chance by giving me their vote, the result for them will be amazing.
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look how badly things are going under decades of democratic leadership. look at the schools, look at the poverty, look at the 58% of young african-americans not working. 58%. it is time for a change. what do you have to lose by trying something new? i will fix it. watch. i will fix it. you have nothing to lose. nothing to lose. >> so the other night in wisconsin, michael, he spoke to african-americans or at least about african-americans. he mentioned african-americans this evening. considering some of his past, which we don't have to go over
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tonight, i think most of us know, do you think that he can make inroads with african-americans if he continues on this path? >> well, you know, i wrote an op-ed piece that's out tonight about that speech. michael deaver with my father's campaign never would have let my dad give a speech like that to an all-white audience. he would have had blacks peppered throughout the audience and pointed out blacks who were having issues and having problems. >> the two african-americans on the panel are on this show right after that speech made the same point and got really castigated by some of donald trump's supporters and even members of the supporters here on the set, who were making that very same point and then now today they're saying they need to reach out to african-americans, he's reaching out to african-americans, saying maybe he should go to african-american communities and maybe that speech should not have been given in front of a white audience.
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>> much of a campaign is really staging. things need to be staged getting ready for your candidate to give a speech. i think the staging in that case was absolutely amateurish. they need to work on the staging side. maybe kellyanne can work on those kind of issues. >> i think she's gotten it now. but that night she did not seem prepared to hear or receive that message at the moment. maybe she was more invested than we realized at the moment because the next day they said she was going to be announced as a campaign manager. >> and, don, this was also a republican problem. this is not a donald trump problem. this has been a republican problem for a long time. i went and gave a speech in florida a couple years ago and i said this party was much more inclusive when my dad was president. i then invited all the blacks and hispanics in the room to please stand. the only ones standing were serving breakfast to the all-white audience there doing a fund-raiser. i said when you start allowing
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them at the table instead of serving the table, this party will do so much better. >> michael, you say something that i want the other guests to get in but i think you say something that's really important this evening because many people have been telling donald trump and his surrogates, especially people of color, what they would like to hear from the campaign or at least have the campaign be open to in discussing, and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears or they've come up against a block. do you have really think they're getting that now and this is not just pandering? >>. >> no, i think they're getting it to a point but it's something you need to work on 24 hours a day, seven days a week like the democrats do every single day of the year. i think the republican party in many cases has thought about the black community much like think they about california, they've given up on it so they want to spend their money someplace else. but donald trump has a great message. what have the democrats done for
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the democrats that are there voting for them? they've done nothing. look at the states. look at the cities that are run by liberal democrats. they're absolute failures. and donald trump has a good message for that but the republican party needs to get engaged. >> everyone, stay with me. we have much more to talk about. when we come right back, donald trump's message to his own party. are republicans happy about what they heard tonight? we'll discuss. clean food.
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strategy at a campaign rally in north carolina tonight. his first since shaking up his campaign leadership, staying on message and telling supporters he regrets some of the things he has said on the campaign trail. back with me now, michael reagan, the former republican congressman, jack kingston and also joining us republican consultant margaret hoover. this is from a very well respected friend who is high in political circles and is an independent said when he was ahead in the polls, no regrets. now that he's losing terribly, suddenly very regretful. not buying it and not biography his sudden interest in african-americans. he has 1% support. if he was leading, he would have no regrets about any of it. do you agree with it or disagree with it? >> first of all, as a republican who wants a party that has a big tent that, reaches out to african-americans and to hispanics, i'm delighted to hear
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the republican party candidate at least making rhetorical outreach to african-americans. as a republican who also advocates in the lgbt equality space, i was quite glad to hear from the podium when he accepted his nomination making affirmative statements about the lbgt community. rhetoric does not match the action. he did not to help the stances at the republican convention. he is for supporting supreme court justices that will roll back the marriage decision. he's for a bill in the senate and the house of representatives, the first amendment defense act, which is sort of like a super religious freedom restoration act at the federal level, one of these bills that have been enormously unpopular in state like indiana where mike pence ran into it negatively. all of this to say a little bit of rhetoric that's positive for african-americans while a great step in the right direction doesn't give me a lot of confidence that it means anything because i haven't seen the results of that in some of
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these other space e these other space s these other space paces. >> actions speak louder than words. but you have to speak somewhere. he didn't quite say i'm sorry. he said i regret if i've offended you sort of. >> i have a 3-year-old. i'm teaching him what are you sorry for? you're sorry for hitting somebody. you have to say what you're sorry for. >> congressman, do you want to get in? >> i think that's the typical ankle biting that we get in the national dialogue right now. he led with an apology. it was a very bold statement. i'd love to see hillary clinton match him and say you know what, i've been living and now here's my e-mails. that's not going to happen. he made a very bold statement. >> do you think it was an apology, congressman? >> it was an absolute apology. what he also said at the convention from the stage, as margaret pointed out, was very significant temperatu significant. to quote hillary clinton, which
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i don't do often, words count. he also had mr. phil up there who was openly gay and spoke and was well received at the republican convention. i want to say to my very good friend michael reagan, he's not giving his dad enough credit by the appointment of louis sullivan to his cabinet. that was built on with colin powell and condoleezza rice. now in the house of representatives, you have more african-american members than ever before, certainly more than under ronald reagan. so the republican party is reaching out and the reality is donald trump is talking about jobs, he's talking about opportunities and he's going to cities like milwaukee and you k voting democrat all these years, maybe you should try the other party, give them a chance. if the african-american leaders, and of course he's very engaged with the african-american sheriff david clark, if the leadership in milwaukee came out and said you know what, we like
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what donald trump said, he came to milwaukee, he talked to the community and where is hillary clinton? hillary clinton is following barack obama's lead on louisiana. she's just not going. >> congressman, with all due respect, he went to milwaukee but he didn't speak to the african-american community there. there was nothing in the speech -- but clark is a leader in there. >> and he's african-american. >> but the reason that there's unrest there is because the african-american community feels disconnected from some of the policies and police actions that david clark is party to. so i don't know if that is -- >> well, but, you know, don, i come from savannah, georgia, which is 50% african-american and if you're in political civic life there, you work in a very integrated environment. it a very positive thing. the reality is the community there is suffering from 30 years of the welfare state, broken
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schools, broken family, health care that's not adequate, opportunities that aren't out there. and what he said tonight and what he said in milwaukee is, you know, you might want to look at voting differently or at least becoming a little bit more -- >> i want michael to get in. i think the community there is suffering from more than just the welfare state. i think they're suffering from institutional racism, systemic racism and policies that have taken place in this country that are both democrat and republican and they're suffering from some of the just neglect that people who are underserved and poor get in this country. can you be black or white but usually african-americans are at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to that. >> the government was going to fix everything. they said if you can get the father out of the house, we'll give you welfare and you can have ten babies we'll pay for. that was the beginning of the end of the black community if you will.
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i think people need to talk about those kind of items. if i was donald trump, tomorrow i'd call jeb bush and say i'm sorry about what i said about you and some of your family. i would call ted cruz and say i'm really sorry about what i said about your father and what i said about you and start getting those people on board and supporting and getting behind donald trump. those of the next things he's needs to do and that's going to bring the party together. right now the party is still apart. >> and he's going to louisiana tomorrow ahead of the president, the president who has received being on vacation when there is national tragedy happening right now and ahead of hillary clinton as well. thank you, everyone. when we come back, should democrats be worried about trump's new leadership campaign and what should they do about it? amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night.
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trail in north carolina tonight staying on script and slamming hillary clinton's record as secretary of state. i want to bring in boris
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eshpteyn. sew what did you think? >> i think he showed some humbleness and apologized for hurting people's feelings in the past. >> i thought it was a great speech, on the lead-in, on the going after hillary clinton, on the ransom on iran, on the e-mails and her lifetime of lying and pivoting back and talking about jobs and trade. >> he sounded like he was launching his presidential bid tonight. when he launched it, why didn't he give this speech? is this a restart? >> or the big pivot that everyone is talking about. >> i hate that word. go ahead. >> everyone said he'll get professional and start acting presidential once he gets the nomination. it sorts of reminds you of a
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dieter. they stick to the diet and they have the calorie count and two or three days later, they just blow it. >> come on, margaret. stop hating. >> let her say it. >> i'm not hating. i'm saying if we're realistic, it not what he does today. it what he does tomorrow and the next day and the next day. >> but did you like the speech? >> there were elements of it that i quite liked. it would be great if there was some consistency and that if he ends up being able to do some of the things we've talked about actually like -- >> you asked her if she liked the speech. you liked the speech and you liked the speech and i think many people who support donald trump quite honestly, which is my job to be devil's advocate here, there were people who just did not believe it. he said it was written and hillary clinton's campaign said the same thing, i don't believe it, it was scripted. who he is is who he is off
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teleprompter. >> you have to give him credit for reading the speech. kellyanne conway did a great job putting the word in the teleprompter. but it's 429 days into donald trump running for president of the united states. all of a sudden we're supposed to suspect this is someone new. we judge donald trump on such a different scale. when you compare donald trump to a mitt romney, a john mccain, a barack obama, if you go back to al gore and john kerry, people who didn't win race, we're not using the same metrics to judge donald trump. we have such a low expectation that we're like, oh my, god, he didn't insult anybody. oh, my god, he made an apology today to an unspecified group of people for an unspecified quote and we're saying that's courageous. no, it's not. >> the unspecified group of people. who are those people? the khan family?
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is that one group? listen to this. >> i don't regret anything. i said nice things about the son and i feel that very strongly, but of course i was hit very hard from the stage and, you know, it's just one of those things. no, i don rk, i don't regret an. >> that was 16 days ago when he was asked about the khan family. and if he had any regrets. he said, no, i have no regrets. >> it was a personal speech that donald trump put a lot of heart into and he said in over the last year plus during this brutal campaign season, if he offended anybody, he regretted it. >> i disagree with you. personal is mr. and mrs. khan, i'm sorry, your son is a hero, i should never have said those word. john mccain, i'm really sorry
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for saying that you're not a war hero because you were captured. but i'm saying that's what personal is. >> on. -- >> go on. >> you want to talk about who is he apologizing to? but what the speech was really good on, it was good on talking about issues that face everybody in this country. >> that's not what we want to talk about. we talked about different elements of the speech. i give him credit for the top of the show saying this is what his critics say he should have been doing it and now he's doing it, good on you but a personal thing is, margaret, i'm sorry, i offended you, i'm sorry. >> i thought it was a personal speech. >> i want to take boris's challenge. i do want to delve into the substance with donald. he doesn't give you how much. he says he want to repeal obama care. what are you going to substitute it with? he does not have a plan. >> 13 co-ops have failed.
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>> donald trump said what are you going to do about isis, about terrorism? organizati oh, my god, we're going to hunt you down and kill you and do it soon. big league. that's it. i'm going to finish these thoughts briefly. african-american community, you're going to support me. you no why? because you have nothing to lose. donald trump has no there there. you can't give me one policy prescription that came out of that speech. >> so, if i may -- ladies first. >> heaven forbid i actually defend donald trump's policy. you know, he has not been one to really get into the weeds in policy but on his health care stuff, he does have some addition to his staff and has people very good at polling and has come out with a pretty comprehensive plan for how he would change obama care. he would do things about buying insurance across state lines and give medicaid in block grants,
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which, by the way, was john mccain's plan in 2008 and mitt romney's plan in 2012 and has strong elements of being paul ryan's plan now. this is a repackaged republican plan which in my view has some very strong policy components to it. >> can i answer on isis? >> you can't answer on isis. >> and republicans like me we know he's just saying the words. we have no sense that he actually believes it and we actually haven't seen any -- >> boris, you don't get to talk at all. i'm done with you. i'm kidding. right after the break. we'll be right back. every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming and when if i break down. must be gerry. hey... in means getting more from your car insurance with the all-powerful drivewise app. it's good to be in, good hands.
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back with me, my panel. this is part of donald trump's message. >> i am running to be the voice for every forgotten part of this country, that has been waiting and hoping for a better future. i am glad that i make the powerful, and i mean very powerful, a little uncomfortable now and again, including some of
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the powerful people frankly in my own party. because it means that i'm fighting for real change, real change. >> so, mr. bauer, he made the point again again and again that he's the voice of the little guy, the outsider fighting the establishment. is that going to resonate with the voters he needs to get in those swing states? >> i believe it will. they're the folks that are struggling, unemployed or underemployed. they feel washington is not doing it for them and, quite frankly, i don't think hillary has shown any vehicle or mechanism to get them out of that situation. he speaks in minimalistic language. he speaks at even a level that they understand. it's very easy to understand where trump's coming from.
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he doesn't talk washingtonian, for example. >> okay. i just think that -- maybe i'm wrong, i'm reading it the wrong way, it sounds like you're talking down to people, they don't understand because they can't -- >> i think that's one of trump's greatest attributes. one, trump is not a -- we've made him this and i think i've said this many times and i was incorrect andi is know the left wing, mainstream media is doing it. we made trump to be this populous, socioeconomic candidate where he's speaking to a certain group of people based on their income level and the forgotten. trump is a very cultural candidate. trump is more george wallace than ronald reagan. >> that is so wrong. >> he's speaking to people's very primal, visceral. >> i'm saying i don't think that donald trump supporters are stupid. >> that's ridiculous. >> maybe that's not what he
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meant but that's what you hear. >> i think he's able to resonate at a level of things where things are really hurting. >> everyone from a cab driver to folks in the inner city to folks like myself in business. he spoke of that tonight, spoke of veterans, factory workers. you have no basis for the george wallace -- >> have ii have a lot of basis . >> you have a republican speaking about the 4,000 murders in chicago since barack obama became president. so that's -- >> that's the basis? the basis? you want to note basis? >> let me answer the basis. the basis is the fact that donald trump's been sued not once but twice for failure to rent to african-americans. the basis is the fact of the central pack five when he took out that heinous add in the new york city asking for them to be executed. i can go back to 2008 when the basis of the fact that he
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started the birther movement. so that is the basis for donald trump -- >> what has your candidate done foreigner ci inner cities? >> you asked me what is the george wallace comparison? i said eight years ago, seven years ago. >> 2011 was the birther thing. >> 2011. the birther movement. >> it's not a basis of comparison to george wallace. >> it is because you're legitimatizing -- >> her first speech -- just follow me, boris. her first speech was at the dinkins institute in new york city. the first speech was about criminal justice reform -- can i finish a sentence? >> boris, let him finish. >> they're doing well because they're talking about unraveling the prison industrial complex, talking about making sure that we don't have this
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school-to-prison pipeline. >> it based on bill clinton's presidency. the clintons are to blame for what's going on in prisons. >> when is donald trump going to say the word criminal justice reform? answer the question. when is he going to say criminal justice reform? >> he's saying he's going to save our inner cities because the economy is at its basis. >> how? how? >> by giving money, investing in our inner city. >> he's going to give black people handouts. >> no. >> that's what you said. >> so he's not going to reform the criminal justice system and he's going to give handouts. >> it's not handouts. it's been revitalizing the economy. >> how? >> look at businesses -- >> how? >> giving businesses tax incentives. >> how? >> tax incentives, 50% corporate tax rate. i'm answering you and you're laughing a the t me.
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50% corporate tax rate. is there anything wrong with that? do you not like that? >> there's nothing wrong with it. >> you brought up a speech. your candidate has been in public service for 40 years. >> you're flat out wrong. have you ever heard of the chips program? there are 6 million children, many of which actually like me and you, boris and don, that actually have health insurance now -- >> what about me? >> not quite. >> that have health insurance because of the chips program. >> what about the 4,000 people shot and killed in chicago since 2008 in that's not helping anybody in the inner cities destroyed by the clinton/obama economy. >> i forget who the law enforcement official i saw who was on a couple days ago said under the clinton administration police departments were getting more money than under any other administration and they were able to fight crime better even than the bush administration. >> that's relative. that's relative. >> the crime bill -- >> the 1994 crime bill was devastating. >> it was a mess.
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>> you don't support that? >> not at all. >> does hillary clinton? >> not anymore. i've held her accountable for that from day one but you can't sit here and say the same person who asked for five young people to be executed was not in favor of that either. >> the person who is running for president, donald trump, is the one who actually will revitalize our city. hillary clinton is promising you, giving speeches. she's done nothing in her career but lie. just like she lied about her e-mails, just like they're lying about the clinton foundation and just like obama lied about the ransom. all they do is lie. donald trump's telling the truth. >> you know what i promise you? i got to get to a break or none of us will be here tomorrow night. >> well, you won't be here tomorrow night. but you all will be back in the next hour. we'll be right back and talk about the ryan lochte and the swimmers down in rio. what the heck happened? we'll be right back. erves freshf from ranches close by. so we don't have to freeze it. add six strips of thick, applewood smoked bacon. and wendy's baconator isn't just different,
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to rio for this incident. they're saying on behalf of the united states olympic committee, we apologize to our hosts in rio and the people of brazil for this distracting ordeal in the midst of what should rightly be a celebration of excellence. with three days remaining in the olympic games our primary focus will remain on supporting the athletes who are still competing and celebrating the achievements of those who have finished. we are going to discuss that with our panel tonight. i want to get the latest from nick payton walsh. the two swimmers who were taken off their flights yesterday by brazilian authorities and now they are reportedly back at the airport heading back here. what is the latest on this investigation? >> reporter: well, they say in this statement that they've recently departed rio, this was released when their plane left the ground. they got their passports after
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talking to the police earlier today. there's a lot of extra detail which is very telling indeed. we don't know where jimmy feigen is, the remaining of the four. mr. feigen provided a revised statement this evening to police with the hope of securing the release of his passport as soon as possible. clearly he wants to get home. but they go on to say they haven't seen what mr. conger and mr. bentz who are currently flying out now have said to the police but they believe it backs up -- they're sort of getting a gray line here between the brazilian version of events and that held out by supporters of mr. lochte and the swimmers at that stage, suggesting one of the athletes was involved in vandalism at this gas station when they stopped off to use the bathroom and at a later point security guards who had weapons on display ended up in the discussion with them where they handed over money in order to resolve the situation. the apology is also key here as well because that's been asked
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for by police in the state of rio here from these high profile individuals. this feels like the united states olympic committee trying to draw a line on the situation, navigate a middle path between the two versions of events that are stackrkly similar. one says there was an armed robbery and one says they voluntarily settled the matter with money. three quarters of the athletes are out of the country. the wheres abouts are mr. feigen isn't clear. there are questions about how this managed to get so wildly out of control to international proportions. >> thank you very. i want to turn to the legal issues in this case. here to discuss, alan dershowitz, author of "electile dysfunction." i'm going to say that wrong one night and it's going to be out.
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now that the usoc has apologized, what do you think that means and how does that play into this? >> so we're having a problem with your audio. casey, can you answer that question for us, please? >> sure. i think the fact that they're back pedaling does indicate that there are two versions of this event and they're beginning to realize that jumping to the presumption of mr. lochte's story that they were robbed at gun point, guns put to their head, being told to get on the ground, having their wallets stolen was really at the very least an exaggeration, at the most a complete fabrication. i think most people agree that they were intoxicated, they did some vandalism, they tore a sign off the gas station wall and they were confronted by the security guard and in brazil, they are armed security guards and told them to make reparation, to pay for the damage they did. they paid the money, it was all over but the story turned into a
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robbery. and frankly, don, i think that's just as -- the exaggeration, it was capitalizing on brazil's reputation for violence that they're trying very hard to overcome. i think that's why the apology came down. >> speaking of what you say is an exaggeration, i want to look at video. ryan lochte said he was held up at gun point. the man seems to have an object in his hand. he spoke to matt lauer after the incident again last night. let take a look. >> he told the others to get down on the ground. i refused. i was like we didn't do anything wrong. so i'm not getting down on the ground. and then the guy pulled out his gun, he cocked it, put it to my forehead, he said get down, i put my hands up and i was like whenever. >> when he talked to me tonight, he said that's when the guy pointed the gun in my direction and cocked it.
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i said to him you said it was placed on your forehead and was cocked. he said, no, that's not exactly what happened. >> the first one was billy bush, the second was matt lauer. how serious is it to ryan's case that he gave conflicting stories? >> it makes him completely unreliable. he called his change, his inconsistencies a traumatic mischaracterization but i think the scientific form what we call it is lying. he basically made up a story that would exonerate him and turn him into the victim and act as a red herring and take attention from his very dishonest behavior, which would not have been a big deal if he had owned up to it, exhibited character as he should as a goal medal athlete. it's the lie that makes it the big deal. >> it's always the coverup. this is being reported by "usa today," a statement from usa
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swimming, "the last five days have been difficult for our usa swimming and united states olympic families. while we are thankful that our athletes are safe, we do not condone the lapse in judgment of the conduct that led to us this point. it's not representative of what is expected as olympians, as swimmers and as individuals." that is coming from the usa swimming. we apologize to alan dershowitz for some technical problems. nce, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about.
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