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good evening. a day after what some are calling the new donald trump made his debut, his old campaign chief hit the road and so did trump. for a second straight day he made african-americans the center piece of part of his appeal. trump as you know is polling in the low single digits among black voters. like last night he made his pitch to him in a virtually all white suburb. he asked african-americans quote, what the hell do you have to lose by voting for him. the question tonight, what can he expect to gain from the effort. jessica schneider is covering the trump campaign and joins us
from diamonddale, michigan. what can he expect to gain? >> reporter: well, he has a lot to gain. in fact, in national polls, donald trump is only getting about 1% of the african-american vote. but despite that, and despite the fact that the vast majority of the people here at the rally were white, donald trump is still making that strong pitch to african-americans. in fact, he talked about hillary clinton, he said that she's taken those voters for granted and he even went as far as accusing hillary clinton of wanting to give jobs to syrian immigrants instead of african-americans. so really taking it to the extreme. he's talked about this all week. he's touched on this and pitched his message to african-americans but tonight was definitely the most fiery we have seen. he actually said three times what do you have to lose to those voters. >> that wasn't -- my understanding is that was not actually written into his speech. that was an ad lib. that is your understanding as well? >> reporter: yeah.
you know, the new trump or the new team trump has said that donald trump will do a little bit of a mix of his own unique and authentic style but also sticking on message. interestingly, donald trump did have the teleprompters and for the most part, he stuck on script but you're right. in that particular part, he did go off script. he didn't necessarily stick to the script, saying a few times what the hell do you have to lose. he also went off script when he said and he predict thed that i elected president, in four years, he went to the extreme, he said 95% of african-americans will actually be voting for me. so sticking to the script for the most part but then going off a little bit and ad libbing, especially when it pertained to the african-american vote. >> you know, it's interesting, days ago, when new folks were added to the trump campaign, one of trump's attorneys was on saying this is not a shakeup in any way. today, paul manafort handing in his resignation.
hard to see this as anything but a shakeup. >> reporter: right. back on wednesday they termed this as an expansion, not a shakeup. everyone sort of saw the writing on the wall here. they knew that paul manafort's role would be diminished. in fact, sources telling cnn that paul manafort said to donald trump he admitted, he said look, i have become a distraction, i need to end this. so it was pretty much again, the writing on the wall when those changes were announced on wednesday and finally today, paul manafort stepping down and seeing a bit of a different donald trump here. unique but also trying to stick to the message. >> jessica, thanks very much. cory lewandowski joins us. he has become a political commentator. he ran the trump campaign. i got to start with what donald trump just said in his speech, ad libbing the part about african-americans should vote for him because what the hell do they have to lose, saying they live in poverty, their schools are terrible. is that how you get people to vote for you? is that real outreach to
african-americans? >> what you see is the african-american community as a whole under this administration is worse off today than they were four or eight years ago. look, the real wage -- in real dollar earnings, african-american median income is down almost $2500 since 2008. african-american unemployment -- >> just in terms of actual outreach, if he's trying to get votes, can he really speak to african-americans when he's only speaking to largely white audiences? what about going to an actual african-american church or he was in detroit, you know, but he went to a largely white community to make a speech then got on his plane. he could have stopped off anyplace. >> look, the audience in the room is one thing but he talks to a national audience. he does it every time he speaks. if you think about it, where african-american unemployment is at 8.2% in may where the national average is 4.7% there's clearly something wrong. what he's saying is if you want change, you want a job, i'm your candidate and the democratic party has taken you for granted for a long time so what do you
have to lose because you're not doing very well. >> what does he have to lose with going to speak in front of african-americans? is he comfortable doing that? i know he certainly has lots of african-american employees i assume in his business. but he criticizes secretary clinton. she actually goes to african-american churches, she speaks to african-american groups. he says she only sees them as votes. but what does it say about him that he hasn't really had any events where he's gone particularly to speak to african-americans? >> look, i think it's about the substance of the speech, not about the venue. sure, can he go to an african-american community and give the exact same speech, sure he could. but the speech is the speech. his bullet points are exactly the same whether he's in detroit or minnesota or in -- >> but he's gone to speak to veteran groups and other groups. >> sure, he has. what he did today was went to louisiana, handed out supplies to the people who have been devastated by a flood and know what the president did? he played golf. this is shameful. this is the exact same thing president obama criticized george w. bush for doing, not going to hurricane katrina when
he was running for president of the united states. instead. donald trump was in louisiana today trying to learn first-hand of the devastation which has taken place down there and where is barack obama? on the vineyard playing golf. >> the other big news, we should point out hours after president obama said he is now going to go, whether that's in reaction to donald trump or not is up for viewers to decide. the other big news today obviously the departure of paul manafort. is this shakeup confirmation for you that donald trump didn't think his campaign was headed in the right direction? >> well, what i think is that donald trump is very happy with the direction that this campaign has had for the last five days. i think this is the best week the campaign has had probably since the florida primaries, actually. you have to win every day in a presidential campaign and this week, he's won every day in my opinion. now, the last three or four weeks i think the campaign has had some real missed opportunities by going after hillary. they weren't focused, they didn't build out their field plan, didn't have a significant effort in the state of florida which is a battleground state. i think you see some of his
scheduling which probably was suspect and who was advising him on that, you know. there's accountability there. i think this is a right step in the right direction with steve bannon and kellyanne conway running this, i think you will see a more focused donald trump mentally prepared, great speeches, three, four, five nights in a row. that's the donald trump you will see going forward. >> cory, thanks very much. breaking news in the clinton e-mail story. secretary clinton's new reaction to what donald trump had to say to african-american voters. cnn's joe johns is working both stories and joins us now. so first, trump's comments in michigan, hillary clinton just tweeted a response. what does it say? >> reporter: the tweet on hillary clinton's feed leads off charging that trump's appeal to black voters is quote, so ignorant it's staggering, links to an excerpt from the speech. the campaign followed up with statements attributed to a top official in the campaign. it said donald trump asked what the african-american community has to lose by voting for him. the answer is everything from a man who questions the citizenship of the first african-american president,
courts white supremacists and has been sued for housing discrimination. >> also tonight, federal judge ordering hillary clinton to answer questions under oath about her e-mail server. >> that's right. the judge here in washington, d.c. did say that hillary clinton had to answer questions in writing about the lawsuit that's been going on here, freedom of information lawsuit over her e-mail server. lawyers for the conservative group judicial watch had asked for permission to interview her under oath but the judge said responses in writing are enough. the campaign tonight saying it's happy with the court ruling but calling out judicial watch for its pursuit of the clintons since the 1990s and describing the case as another lawsuit intended to hurt the campaign. >> joe johns, thanks very much. back with the panel. you know, you now have secretary clinton again still involved with the e-mail controversy, still making headlines about it, now saying the clinton foundation will continue when she's president but is not going to accept money from foreign
governments, it's only going to accept money from u.s. citizens. one of the things the republican party, rnc responded in a statement and it's actually a valid question, which is if it was okay when she was secretary of state for the clinton foundation to be getting money from foreign governments, why is it now not okay when she was president? wasn't a conflict -- >> they're not doing it because it was a conflict. they are doing it because it's a distraction. i think that is the largest distinction that can be made. what's happening now with the clinton foundation is i wish the campaign, i wish brooklyn would take more time to push back against the good works the campaign has done. i wish president clinton although he has been doing it would have other sur garogates people talking about the good works the foundation has done. but you see that it's becoming a distraction and that is not something that's needed when you are president of the united states. one of the things you can do to eliminate the distraction is rein in the way they have. no, there was no illegality, nothing unethical, but yes, it has become a distraction now.
i think you eliminate the distraction. >> is it just a distraction? >> no. he's being extremely gratuitous to call this a distraction when in fact hillary signed an agreement where she said she would not engage in any doings with the clinton foundation. then we find out this week her top aides were giving a lebanese billionaire access -- >> that's not true. >> that's not true. no, i have to -- we are going to fact check that. no. that's not true. >> -- to conduct work business on work computers. agreements and her signature and her word does not matter. >> listen, there's a lot to go after the clintons for but we have to stop the misinformation. the fact of the matter is, this individual wasn't seeking anything. in fact, this lebanese billionaire was actually trying to relay information and set up a meeting and the meeting never even occurred. if you want to go out and find a smoking gun, please by all means go but at least be factual. >> but i went to the clinton global initiative once to moderate a panel, i don't know
how many years ago, i can't even remember what it was about. but it did seem to me, i didn't hang out at the parties afterward and stuff but it seemed to me a lot of folks were there just to hang out and hob-knob with the clintons. it did seem to me, certainly they do a lot of good works on hiv and africa, a lot of people alive today who wouldn't be alive, but a lot of it was sort of the cult of personality of bill clinton wanting to be in his orbit. >> that is true. that is the big dog is a big personality that is charismatic, that people gravitate towards. what the clinton global initiative does, you know this from being there, it sits there and it matches, it matches these nonprofits and matches these charities with donors. a lot of people don't understand what the clinton foundation -- >> a lot of it was the allure of the clintons. if companies really wanted to do that they could have done that. >> i don't think you apologize. you're right. i don't think you should apologize for bill clinton being a personality and because donors want to come and be around that personality. he's able to help out.
>> except when the donors get like coveted seats on national security committees that they were completely unqualified for like the gentleman, i can't think of his name, he was a chicago investment banker and he gave money to the clintons campaign and then to the global -- the clinton foundation and he ends up on a nuclear committee that had no idea, no qualifications. >> frankly, that's like a good number of ambassadors as well. that's done by republicans and democrats. >> that's just one of many examples. >> donald trump was also a donor to the clinton campaign. >> tit does do good work but thy find a way to hide behind the good work. this is pay to play. it's not right. there's no question. saying that if she becomes president that she's going to quit, they will probably raise more in the next 80 days than they have all year. everybody will go ahead and ante up like a going out of business sale. >> it's worth mentioning --
>> next thing you know it will be the first dude foundation. just start a new foundation and keep doing the same thing you have been doing before. clearly, this is why people have a bad taste in their mouth for dli clintons and for government overall. it sends a bad message that the big folks get a seat at the table and other folks don't. >> it's worth mentioning this lebanese billionaire, we only found out about him because these were the deleted e-mails. the 44 e-mails hillary clinton promised she turned over all work related e-mails but the 44 e-mails judicial watch was able to discover revealed a lebanese billionaire who gained access to a top person -- >> he didn't have a meeting. he didn't have access. >> -- who was recommended to go -- >> do you know what that young man did? >> why were they deleted? >> let's also be clear about the fact that were these hillary clinton's e-mails? >> were these hillary clinton's e-mails these were her top aides. >> i think that's important. what we often do is compound
these things into one issue. i know from working on the hill that oftentimes staffers act on behalf of their bosses when they probably shouldn't. i'm just saying to you that it is not right to hold someone's he head of someone -- i'm not going to start questioning intent. what i'm telling you is those were not her e-mails. i guess what i'm telling you, it's really important for us not to make allegations about people that aren't actually true. >> you raised two e-mails. one was about a lebanese billionaire. you said he gained access. he never had the meeting. that's false. the second part you raised was about a young man looking for a job. that young man actually did work in haiti for the relief after the hurricane. so yes, if that young man needed a job who was an advancer, wasn't a donor, wasn't a staffer to clinton foundation, god forbid the young man -- >> it goes beyond that.
it goes to huma abedin. she had a special designation, special government employee designation people can't even define what it is. she was head of the clinton foundation. it's all very incestuous. so people, it doesn't look good for them. it goes back to the '90s when they paid to play with chinese satellites. >> okay. >> goes back a long time. >> we have to take a break. next, the latest on the flooding in louisiana. also donald trump's visit to the area. more on president obama's now decision to go there on tuesday. lieutenant generous will honore when we come back. t outback, it's the big steak & crab bash... you get half a pound of sweet, snow crab legs... ...paired with our new, tender,center-cut sirloin... hurry in... the outback steak & crab bash starts at just $ 14.99... bloomin' great! working my canister off to clean and shine... and give proven protection... against fading and aging. he won't use those copycat wipes.
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and i'm michael howard. we left on our honeymoon in january 2012. it actually evolved into a business. from our blog to video editing... our technology has to hang tough with us. when you're going to a place without electricity, you need a long battery life. the touch, combined with the screen resolution... a mac doesn't have that. we wanted to help more people get out there and see the world. once you take that leap, that's where the magic happens. president obama's been taking political heat for vacationing while louisiana floods. he will be surveying the damage there on tuesday after his vacation ends. it was announced today. it came shortly after donald trump and running mate mike pence made a brief stop today in baton rouge. we will be joined by retired
lieutenant generous will honore who has plenty to say. first, rosa flores joins us from the scene with all the latest. trump was there at the command center where you are now. what did the visit entail? >> reporter: well, he spent about 30 minutes here and talked to officials. he was briefed by local officials, in part told that one out of every three people in this parish are in the flood zone. he also got to listen in to a briefing by first responders but here's what he didn't get to do. he didn't get to go into the flooded areas to see the flood situation for himself. i asked local officials why and they said there was no time. >> the governor saying he hoped this would not just be a photo op but that trump would consider volunteering or making a sizeable donation to the flood relief fund. did he do either of those things? >> reporter: you know, no word yet about a sizeable cash donation by the trump campaign
or by donald trump but one of the local officials during an interview did tell me that donald trump had donated an 18-wheeler full of supplies. i of course had to chase that down and we have exclusive video from in part from inside that 18-wheeler. the organization that received that donation, church international, told me that they received about 70,000 pounds of supplies. it included water, non-perishable food, diapers and blankets that people here received. >> people there, what was the reaction to the trump visit? >> reporter: you know, there's a lot of trump supporters here. in the midst of the floods we saw trump signs in front of yards and on windows. even on fences. from just talking to people here in these neighborhoods, a lot of people are very happy that donald trump visited ascension parish. they also said it was a sign of
leadership. one woman even saying she was hoping that trump's visit included trump flying in his trump helicopter and dropping off money to all of the flood victims. imagine what a campaign ad that would make. >> rosa, thanks. whatever you think of president obama's timing or donald trump's, one thing is clear. this is hardly the first time such a visit has been subjected to the political microscope. more on that from cnn's jean casarez. >> reporter: august, 2005. hurricane katrina makes landfall on the gulf coast with 127 mile per hour winds. 80% of new orleans flooded after the levees failed. more than 1800 people died in the gulf region and more than one million people were displaced by the storm. as the reality began to unfold, then president george w. bush, on vacation in texas, would stay at his ranch in crawford for two
more days, deciding to go back to washington, bush did a flyover on august 31st allowing the press a photo op of the president looking out over the ruin. at the time bush said he didn't want to disrupt efforts on the ground but in 2010 admitted to nbc's matt lauer that photo was a mistake. >> huge mistake. it made you look so out of touch. >> detached and uncaring. no question about it. >> reporter: total damage from katrina was estimated at $108 billion. damage to bush's legacy was profound. 13 years earlier, a natural disaster struck during his father's presidency. it was hurricane andrew. a category 5 storm with sustained winds of 165 miles per hour whose path included southern florida and south-central louisiana. more than $25 billion in damages with controversy raging throughout the country that h.w.
bush didn't respond fast enough to the victims of this tragedy. bush fought back, saying he wasn't going to make politics out of this natural disaster. >> this isn't the business of second guessing. it's a business of trying to help people. that's what we're about here. not going around trying to find blame or make some politics out of a natural disaster. >> reporter: unfairly or not, weather disasters can be used to attack politicians at any level. new jersey governor chris christie was commander in chief of his state when super storm sandy hit the northeast in 2012. a leader for the efforts, christie drew lasting criticism from republicans after hugging president obama, who was visiting the state to survey hurricane damage. >> what i did was put my people first every day. it was a disappointment probably for him that i didn't hug him but when he got off air force one i did shake his hand. which is what civilized human beings do with other civilized human beings.
>> reporter: jean casarez, cnn, new york. >> in addition to the political fallout, the disasters sometimes put the spotlight on individuals who cut through the noise and do what needs to be done. >> weapons down! weapons down! i'm not going to tell you again! get those weapons down! >> army lt general russell honore, impossible to forget that moment. now retired, he joins us from baton rouge. thank you for being with us. when it comes to presidents visiting areas like baton rouge after a flood of this magnitude, you say there needs to be a paradigm shift. what does that mean? >> trying to get a president in while you're doing a search and rescue, as was the case in new orleans, would be almost impossible. we can do it, we did it, we were still in the evacuation of the city when president bush came to visit but on the day he flew over the city, we are were still
in the process of evacuating the superdome and the convention center. you were on the ground. you remember what that's like. i think the term was coined well this morning by the governor. doing the search and rescue, we need the president to stay in washington, empower the state and federal government to do what they can to save lives, but it's best for a president to come when we are in the recovery stage. >> because it takes too many resources away from the search and rescue? >> absolutely. search and rescue, security, medical support, going in and doing secondary search of each home. we have over 210,000 homes in louisiana that's under water or was under water and over 7300 businesses, as well as our interstates were closed for nearly four days, cutting off our eastern and western part of our state. all that being said, the focus
of this local government and the first responders have to be on saving lives. for the blessing of volunteers like the cajun navy that stood up on sunday, we were able to save most of those people's lives but only about 11 losing their lives to the storm or the flood with over 281,000 citizens evacuating. >> amazing to see some of the rescues of not only coast guard, not only law enforcement, but fish and wildlife and other law enforcement agencies, but just civilians, cajun navy as you say getting in their boats and reaching out. donald trump did make it there today. do you think the visit was appropriate? because you could make the argument first of all he didn't try to go to the area that was afflicted, so that didn't conflict with search and rescue operations and probably brought a fair amount of attention, i guess, to the story. >> absolutely. you know, we are at a point now
when people count the catastrophe by the number of lives lost, we need to look at it from the lives saved and the homes that now have to be rebuilt. we were worried for a time because this story was the second or third page story and third or fourth in the lineup. we took second seat for a couple of olympic athletes for a 24-hour period that did something down in brazil but they topped the news for a period when we needed to be focused on the american people for the need that is needed here in terms of the second poorest state in america hit again by a catastrophe, where we will need help because it's the volunteers and the donations that come here that help fill those gaps because fema really don't give people enough money to get back in their homes and that's where the donations and the volunteers come in to help get people back in their homes. >> yeah. general, appreciate you talking
to us tonight. thank you so much. coming up, in an election like no other, how do the candidates get ready to face each other on the debate stage? we will take a look when we return. say, "well, fantastic!" a lot. i do say that, you see... i study psychobiology. i'm a fine arts major. nobody really believes that i take notes this way, but they actually make sense to me. i try to balance my studying with the typical college experience. this windows pc is a life saver! being able to pull up different articles to different parts of the screen is so convenient. i used to be a mac user but this is way better.
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cannot only win or lose voters but also go down in history. take a look. >> man's practicing fuzzy math again. there's differences. >> they are the highest stakes in presidential politics. general election debates. watched by millions with the ability to sway key voters in the final months of the race. ripe with opportunity for zingers like ronald reagan poking fun at his own age. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> or blunders like gerald ford appearing clueless about the spread of communism. >> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe and there never will be under a ford administration. >> indeed, it's the possibility of debate missteps that worry campaigns the most. one of the most famous examples, michael dukakis' unemotional response to bernard shaw in 1988. >> governor, if kitty dukakis
were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't, bernard. i think you know i opposed the death penalty during all of my life. >> sometimes the gaffe isn't even verbal. like george h.w. bush looking at his watch in 1992. or eight years later, al gore getting too close for comfort for george w. bush. >> can you get things done? i believe i can. >> in the age of social media, an unfortunate turn of phrase can take on a life of its own. >> they brought us binders full of women. >> one thing is certain. in the 56 years since richard nixon literally sweated his encounter with john f. kennedy, debate flash points have known no partisan bounds. hillary clinton versus donald trump could take political prime time to a whole new level. >> joining me, former michigan governor jennifer granholm, senior adviser for the pro
clinton super pac correct the record and cnn political commentator kevin madden who helped with debate prep for mitt romney in 2012. governor, so much personal animosity between clinton and trump. they both have such big personalities. it's fair to say these debates will probably be like none we have seen before. >> oh, i'm certain that it will be the most well viewed, the highest number, amount of ratings ever, ever, ever all of them. i do think that personal animosity cannot be translated into the debate. ultimately these candidates have to come away making people like them and for donald trump, this is going to be a bit of a challenge because he has been so harsh against her on the trail and he can't come across that harsh and for her, she knows the policies so well, she's got to really come across with great heart because ultimately, debates are about emotion.
they are not about cerebral matters. they are really about how can you connect to your gut to the people who are watching. >> kevin, trump's new campaign manager kellyanne conway said yesterday trump will begin debate prep this weekend. the fact he's starting to prepare just six weeks before the first debate, is that time enough, in your opinion, because i seem to recall also reading weeks ago they were claiming that there were debate coaches or debate preppers on the plane with him kind of coaching him already, but i don't know. maybe not. >> yeah. i would say it's slightly behind schedule but given some of how this campaign has been organized, i think it's a good sign for trump supporters that the candidate is putting some effort into the debate prep right now. i think it's probably a sign that kellyanne conway is professionalizing a lot of the internal organization of the campaign. and look, it's very important because this is going to be one of those very rare moments, the governor is right, where you have this concentrated attention by the electorate on the candidates and where you get to
compare the candidates side by side for the first time. forget about the ads, forget about the speeches, forget about the dueling sound bites on television. this is two candidates onstage and they have this contest where it's a performance of attributes, a contest of whether or not they know the policy or not and voters take a lot away from these. so given the fact that trump is going to be trying to change the trajectory of his campaign by the time he gets to these debates, it will be very important for them to put the effort in. >> governor granholm, i know having been on the moderator side, when you are planning out what questions, it's like sort of predicting a future game of three-dimensional chess with any number of permutations of moves. is it the same way for the candidates? >> totally. >> it is. >> yes. absolutely. >> if your opponent says this, i'm going to say this, i can pivot to this? >> absolutely. a, you have to predict what is the moderator likely to ask. and knowing how moderators have been, they have been tough. you have been tough on these
candidates. you have to pretend you know or you have to anticipate the worst question you could possibly get, you have to practice your answer for that subject area and then you have got to pivot in some way to what your opponent is not doing in that area or what the opponent's policy is. if you can, you should have a pocketful of zingers to be able to go after your opponent. if you are really good, you will have studied your opponent's common phrases, common answers to questions like this, what you expect that he will say or she will say and your zinger will sort of pick up the language of your opponent in some way. you should be able to prepare enough to know exactly what he's going to say and what your response is. >> yet with some candidates, it's possible to kind of overprepare them, give them too much facts and too many things rather than kind of letting them lead with their strength. isn't it? >> that's right. it is a big risk that you sometimes, you know, a lot of times you have to tailor the
debate. you can't use a template. some candidates work very well with a lot of planning, lot of prep, lot of input. other candidates, if you prepare them too much and you overload them with too much information, they can go into a campaign with a pre-packaged zinger that falls flat for the simple fact it was prepackaged. a lot of this, a very well-prepared candidate won't be surprised by any of the questions but they will have, having practiced it, having gone through the sort of game day atmosphere of the preparation, they will be much more at ease with letting their true personality and letting a lot of what candidates -- what a lot of voters really like about them shine through in those moments. >> it will be fascinating. >> anderson, too, they will make sure they have -- they know what the zingers are going to be against them. what is their opponent likely to come at really hard. in that practice, you better believe they will do it over and over again so it desensitizes
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between officers and the communities they serve. no doubt about it, in milwaukee there's a rocky relationship between police and african-americans. just last weekend as you know, wisconsin's largest city was rocked by violence following an officer's fatal shooting of a black man. there have been tensions simmering in milwaukee for years. sara sidner reports. >> everyone felt it. i think everyone knew it was inevitable. >> reporter: he says the destructive reaction in this predominantly black neighborhood wasn't just over the police shooting. one of the triggers was something much more mundane. the targeting and ticketing practices of police. >> there are instances where tickets are issued and they should be, but there are some practices that are predatory. >> i see the police and i'm like oh, lord, not today. >> reporter: this mother of five says she was caught in a cycle of ticketing hell. missed payments of fines for things like a broken taillight or parking tickets ballooned into a personal crisis. >> sometimes i don't have the extra $50 that they need me to
send in but if i don't send it, then there's a warrant out for my arrest, they will suspend the license. so either way it goes, i'm in a lose-lose situation. >> reporter: molly says black residents are bearing the brunt of the city's ticketing practices. a 2011 study found while blacks make up 19% of registered drivers in milwaukee county, they received 69% of license suspensions for failure to pay fines. that far outweighs every other ethnicity combined. >> my clients, you know, so many of them lose their license for poverty related reasons. >> reporter: if it all sounds familiar, it should. after a police shooting led to protests and riots in ferguson, missouri, a department of justice investigation blamed the disproportionate ticketing and fining of black residents there as the underlying catalyst for the unrest. >> the city wants the police force to serve essentially as a
collection agency for the municipal court rather than as a law enforcement entity. >> reporter: after a consent decree, ferguson changed. its municipal court now makes just a fraction of what it used to make from fines but a new class action lawsuit accuses 13 cities surrounding ferguson of the same practice. policing for profit on the backs of black and poor people. nonprofit arch city defenders brought the city claiming a total of $77 million was collected over a five-year period by those 13 cities for municipal court fines, fees and surcharges in an area with a population of less than 50,000 people. >> at some point, if you jailed someone, you know that they don't have the ability to pay because we would all pay. >> reporter: nobody wants to sit in jail. >> right. you are essentially asking someone how much money do you have to buy your freedom. >> reporter: the cities have balked at the accusations they created debtors' prisons. one african-american mayor told me that driving is a privilege, not a right. if you don't want to pay a fine,
he said, don't break the law. >> it's not the policeman's fault for enforcing the law. >> reporter: pat kelly leads an association of municipalities in st. louis county and says while the system should be scrutinized, many of the problems could be solved if residents would simply show up to court. >> these are the laws of the state that they're enforcing and those warrants and those kind of things are built into law to try to get people to come to court. >> reporter: the alderman is watching what's happening in missouri and calling for change if milwaukee, warning without it, the eruption of anger will reappear. >> i see devastation. i see something that i hope we never see ever again. >> reporter: the alderman says it is very clear this is of course not the only reason why these tensions have bubbled over. he talks about the fact that in milwaukee, the disparities with african-americans versus white residents are stark. talking about unemployment and poverty and then there's this. the state of wisconsin jails
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kidnapping of patty hearst. it's the story of a new book "the wild saga of patty hearst. it's almost a "new york times" best seller. congratulations on the book. it's such a fascinating read. >> thank you. >> america at that time was such a different america. we think of this as a partisan time but how many bombings were there in the early 70s? >> this is what really shocked me. i thought the 60s were tumultuous. the 70s were so much worse. a thousand bombing a year. >> and it wasn't just one year. >> '73, '74, '75. that was a form of political expression.
and you had watergate and the energy crisis and in northern california, you had the zodiac killer, the zebra killers. >> patricia gets kidnapped by the symbionese army. who were they? >> they thought they were going to model themselves against the other groups in the world and they thought they would spark a revolution in the united states by certain dramatic guerrilla activities. it was a completely absurd hypothesis. >> there's always been this question of ultimately within a relatively short period of time, several months, she seemed to become part of the group. i mean, she publicly said she was part of the group, she took
part in the bank robbery, she made these tape recordings. was she brainwashed? >> she called herself tanya, a lot of people remember. >> a girl friend of -- >> jake rivara. >> i try to stay away from terms like stockholm syndrome. she was in fact kidnapped, it was horrible for her but then she did become a member of the symbionese liberation army. everybody remembers the bank -- >> that was the announcement to the world that she was part of the group. >> that picture, i tell the story of how that picture came to be and one reason i think that picture is so compelling even today is that you look into her face, you look into her eyes
in those pictures and you can't tell. >> you describe it as like the mona lisa. is she smiling? is she -- you don't know what's going on in her mind. >> and that's the mystery at the heart of this story, what's really going on in her mind. but i think what was the real revelation to me in writing this book was that not that she robbed this bank is that she robbed two more banks, that she shot up a street in los angeles. she was alone -- >> it was an event to rescue two of the other members of the group who were being attacked. >> who were being stopped for shoplifting. talk about what geniuses these people were, to shoplift when you were a fugitive from the law. and patricia hearst, what does she do? does she run away, does she go home to her family?
no. she picks up a machine gun and hits no one but her two comrades. that's really the turning point of this story because that's when she becomes a full fledged fugitive and revolutionary and it's more than a year until she's actually caught by the fbi. >> it's a really fascinating book, "american heiress," you've done it again. now that i've finished the book, it's a great read. the whole trial, f. lee bailey. just lance ito was a witness at one point, long before he became a judge. we'll be right back. e dollars. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. this car is traveling over 200 miles per hour. to win, every millisecond matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away.
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slowly but surely, the 1970s are disappearing. the 1980s will be upon us. and what a decade it is coming up. happy new year! >> as we began the '80s in the television world, the landscape was on any given evening, 9 out of 10 people watching only one of three networks. >> more than 30 million people are addicted to it. social critics are mystified by its success. what is it? it's television's primetime
prairie pot boilers "dallas." >> a move like that will destroy all of ewing oil and ruin our family name. >> a thought like that never crossed my mind. >> brother or no brother, whatever it takes, i'll stop you from destroying ewing oil. >> "dallas" established new ground in a weekly hour-long show. >> "dallas" is a television show which is rooted in the 1970s and one of the crazy things that emerges is this character j.r. ewing as a pop phenomenon. >> tell me, j.r., which slut are you going to stay with tonight. >> what difference does it make? it's got to be more interesting than the slut i'm looking at right now. >> such a delicious villain. everyone was completely enamored by this character. >> at this point, so many people were watching television that you could do something so unexpected that it would become news overnight. >> who's there? [ gunshots ] >> the national obsession in 1980 around who shot j.r. it's hard to imagine how obsessed we all were with that question. but we were. >> who shot j.r. is about as ideal a cliffhanger as you possibly could get. >> who did shoot j.r.? we may never get the answer to that question. the people who produce that's
program are going to keep us in suspense as long as they possibly can. >> who shot j.r. and then we broke for the summer. then the actors went on strike. it delayed the resolution, and it just started to percolate through the world. >> i remember going on vacation to england that summer and that's all that people were talking about there. >> we know you don't die. you couldn't die. >> we don't know that's. >> how could you die? you couldn't come back next season. >> i couldn't come back but the show could still go on. >> but you wouldn't. what is that show without j.r.? >> that's what i figure. >> i guess if you don't know by now who shot j.r., you probably do not care. last night some 82 million americans did. and they watched the much touted "dallas" episode." it could become the most watched television show ever. >> who shot j.r. is a reflect >> who shot j.r. is a reflect of old-fashioned televisio
it gathers everybody around the electric fireplace which is now the television set. >> one special american television program. critics said it transcends in popularity ever other american statement about america. something hand today to hospital 4077. that will touch millions of americans. it was the kind of event that would grab the world's breath. the end of the korean war. the television version "m.a.s.h." >> it's been an honor and privilege to have worked with you. i'm very, very proud to have known you. >> there were those landmark times when shows that had been watched through the '70s and into the '80s, like "m.a.s.h." had its final episode. and we were all sad to see them go. >> i'll miss you. >> i'll miss you. a lot. >> all over the country, armies of fans crowded around television sets to watch the final episode and to bid "m.a.s.h." farewell. >> the finale of at m.a.s.h." was unprecedented.
123 million people watched one television program at the same time. >> i really should be allowed to go home. there's nothing wrong with me. >> when we ended the show, we got telegrams of congratulations from henry kissinger and ronald reagan. the size of the response and the emotional nature of the response that we were getting was difficult for us to understand. >> who shot j.r. and the last episode of "m.a.s.h." are the last call for the pre-cable world of television. it's like they are the last time that that huge audience will all turn up for one event. >> all right. that's it. let's roll. hey. let's be careful out there. >> dispatch, we have a 911. armed robbery in progress. >> when quality does emerge on television, the phrase" too good for tv" is often heard. one recent network offering
that's seems to deserve that phrase is "hill street blues." >> "hill street" is one of the changing points of the entire industry in the history of tv. >> we had all watched a documentary about cops and had this real hand-held in the moment quality that we were very enamored of. >> the minute you looked at it, it looked different. it had a mood to it. you could almost smell the stale coffee. >> we didn't want to do a standard cop show where, you know, you have a crime and you have your two cops and you go out and catch the bad guy and you sweat him and he confesses, and that's it. cops have personal lives that impact their behavior in profound ways. >> is he here or elsewhere? >> don't get excited. we're working on it. >> how is this for logic.
if he's not here, and if he's not elsewhere, he's lost. >> we didn't say that. >> you lost -- >> never in my entire life have i listened to so much incompetence covered up by so much unmitigated crap. find my client, or, i swear, i'll have you up on charges. >> there would be these ongoing arcs for these characters that's would play out over five, six episodes, sometimes an entire season. and in a way for certain stories, over the entire series. and no one had really done that in an hour-long dramatic show. >> these past four months, i've missed you. i had to find that out. come on. come home, pizza man.
>> in the past, people had watched television passively. and the one thing i think we did set out to be were provocateurs. >> you fill it out. >> what the hell is the matter with you, man? >> they don't pay me enough to deal with animals like thus. all they see is a white face and all they -- >> listen to me. it was a white man that pulled the trigger, not a black one. >> it set a trend. the audience can accept characters being deeply flawed even though they are caring this uniform. i thought that was important to finally get across. >> we wanted to make a show that made you participate. made you pay attention. and i think that worked pretty well. >> and the winner is -- >> "hill street blues." >> 21 nominations. and we went on to win eight emmys. it put us on the map, literally. that's when people finally checked us out. >> programming chief of one of the networks used to say to me about shows like "hill street" and "st. elsewhere" what's the american people want is a cheeseburger. what you are trying to give them is a french delicacy. and he said your job is to keep shoving it down their throat
until after a while, they'll say, that's doesn't taste bad. and maybe they'll even order it themselves when they go to the restaurant. >> nice for you to join us. >> the success of "hill street blues" influenced everything that's came after. and then "st. elsewhere." >> you know what people call this place? st. elsewhere. a place you wouldn't want to send your mother-in-law. >> when it first came on, it was promoted as "hill street hospital." >> you gave your patients the wrong antibiotics. you write the worst progress notes. you're pathetic. >> bill? >> what? >> dr. morning needs you right away. >> i'm sorry. >> "st. elsewhere" broke every rule there was and then built some new rules. >> that guy called a little while ago. they ran a routine panel. t-cell count was off. >> they would have tragic things happen to these characters. there was real heartache in these people's lives and you really felt for them.
>> i've got aids? >> television at its best is a mirror of society in the moment. >> "st. elsewhere" challenged people and challenged you as an actor, much less the audience to think the stuff they gave you was extreme in what they did, whether they were dealing with aids or having one of their main doctor characters raped in a prison. >> they tackled lots of difficult subjects. >> "st. elsewhere" was run by people trying to stretch the medium and in the '80s, television producers were encouraged to stretch the medium. >> clear. night owls. with uber - a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to uber.com/drivenow
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a lot of people used to say, i was there. now people say, they watch it on television. >> a lot of excitement connected to sports in the '80s. you used to have to depend on the five minutes at the end of your local newscast. there just hadn't been enough. give us a whole network of sports. >> there's just one place you need to go for all the names and games making sports news. espn "sportscenter." >> what happened in the 1980s is sports becomes a tv show. and what are tv shows built around? characters. >> you can't be serious, man. you cannot be serious! you got the absolute -- >> mcenroe, the perfect villain. the new yorker that people loved to hate. the cool swede never giving any emotion away. >> what tennis really wants is to get its two best players playing over and over again in the final.
whether they are john mcenroe and bjorn borg or chrissy and navratilova. that's what we want to tune in over and over. >> three match points to martina navratilova. >> this man has a smile that lights up a television screen from here to bangor, maine. >> and that there is magic johnson, this urban kid from michigan and larry bird, this guy who worked carrying trash. one plays for the lakers. the other plays for the boston celtics. it's a great story. >> lakers had several chances. here's larry bird. >> magic johnson leads the attack. >> look at that pass. oh, what a show! oh, what a show! >> when the championship games are in primetime and people are
paying attention to that, television feeds into those rivalries and makes them bigger than they've ever been before. >> primitive skill. they're just as good as dead. >> every mike tyson fight was an event. every fight was like an ax murder. when he fought michael spinks, the electricity, you could just feel it on tv. tyson was made for tv because there was drama. >> not a lot of junior high school kids can dunk. especially at -- >> everybody tries. >> i think that he is starting to transcend his sport that he's becoming a public figure. >> michael jordan becomes the model every other athlete wants to shoot for. they want to be a brand. and that's what television does for these athletes. turns them into worldwide iconic brands. >> the inbounds pass comes in to jordan. michael at the foul line. good! the bulls win. >> athletes in the '80s became part of an ongoing group of people we cared about.
we had an enormous pent-up demand for sports and the '80s began to provide. thank goodness. >> cable television is continuing to grow. it's estimated it will grow into 1 million more u.s. households this year. >> with cable television offering an array of different channel choices, the audience bifurcated. that's an earthquake. >> i want my mtv! >> i want my mtv! >> i want my mtv! ♪ >> a new concept is born. the best of tv combined with the best of radio. this is it. welcome to mtv music television. the world's first 24-hour stereo video music channel. >> music television, what a concept. mtv was, pow, in your face. you were not going to turn us off. >> mtv did nothing but play current music videos all day long. so let me get this straight.
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undercover vice cops. >> i don't know how this is going to work, tubbs. i mean, not exactly up my alley style and persona-wise. heaven knows i'm no box of candy. >> television very much was the small screen. it was interesting about tony's pilot screen play for "miami vice." it was not that. very much the approach was, okay, they call this a television series, but we're going to make one-hour movies every single week. >> here we go. stand by. >> action. >> police. >> just describing the show as a new wave cop show. >> it's a cop show for the '80s. we use a lot of mtv images and rock music to help describe the mood and feeling of our show. >> in a lot of ways you don't get "miami vice" without mtv because in a lot of ways "miami vice" was a long video. the music was such a big part of that show. >> there was an allure to using great music that everybody was listening to as opposed to the routine kind of tv scoring of that period.
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thomas magnum? >> maria hammond? >> private investigator? >> oh, you are probably wondering about the goat. just let me drop off my friend, and then we'll talk. >> when we entered the '80s, a lot of dramas that were lighthearted like "magnum p.i." were very popular. after "m.a.s.h." went off the air, the next season there wasn't a single sitcom in the top ten. first time that had ever
happened in tv history. the prevailing feeling was that the sitcom was dead. >> brandon tartikoff, nbc programming chief, says reports of the sitcom's death were greatly exaggerated. >> time and time again, if you study television history, just when someone is counting a forum out, that's exactly the form of programming that's leads to the next big hit. ♪ >> 1984 "the cosby show" comes on. bill cosby is not new to tv, he's had other tv shows, but "the cosby show" is different. stands apart from everything else he's done.
>> i wanted my eggs scrambled. >> coming up. >> they talked about parenting. before that, the kids were cool and the parents were idiots. "cosby" says the parents are in charge and that was something new. >> instead of acting disappointed because i'm not like you, maybe you can just accept who i am and love me anyway because i'm your son. >> that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life! >> it helps the casting a lot in television. the kids were just great. >> if you were the last person on this earth, i still wouldn't tell you. >> you have to tell me what you did. just tell me what's they're going to do to you. >> unlike every other show on tv, it's showing an upper middle class black family. this wasn't "all in the family." they weren't tackling deep issues but that was okay. the mere fact they existed was a deep issue. >> the decade was waiting for something real. in other words, unless it's real, it doesn't seem like it moves anybody. if someone is feeling something, you get to the heart and the mind. if you can hit the hearts and minds, you've got yourself a hit. >> how was school? >> school? dear, i brought home two children that may or may not be ours. >> "the cosby show" brought this tremendous audience to nbc.
and that was a bridge to us. our ratings went way up. ♪ sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name ♪ >> even the theme song to "cheers" puts you in a good mood. >> hello, everybody. >> what's shaking, norm? >> all four cheeks and a couple of chins, coach. >> by the end of the "cheers" pilot, not only did you know who everybody was, but you wanted to come back and see what was going to happen. it's like all you have to do is watch it once. you're going to love these people. these are universal characters, and the humor worked on so many levels. >> i was up until 2:00 in the morning finishing off kierkegaard. >> i hope he thanked you for it. >> you have to create a community that people are identifying with. and "cheers" gives you that community. >> i've always wanted to skydive. i've just never had the guts.
>> what did it feel like? >> i imagine a lot like sex. >> i have to imagine what sex is like. but i have plenty of sex. and plenty of this, too. why don't you just get off my back, okay? >> in the first episode, there was a rather passionate annoyance. something is going on here. a really intelligent woman would see your line of bs a mile away. >> i never met an intelligent woman that i would want to date. >> on behalf of the intelligent women around the world, may i just say, phew. >> you saw what ted and shelly had together. we said, oh, no, we've got to do this relationship. >> ted and i understood what they were writing right away. >> if you'll admit that you are carrying a little torch for me, i'll admit that i'm carrying a little one for you.
>> oh, i am carrying a little torch for you. >> well, i'm not carrying one for you. >> diane knew how to tease sam. sam knew how to tease diane, and i guess we know how to tease the audience. >> this incredible chemistry between the two of them ignited the show. that's what's drove the show for the first five years. >> what's the matter? >> i'm devastated. i need something brutal to blast me into sweet oblivion. >> how about a boilermaker? >> make it a mimosa. >> we had the luck to be able to rotate cast and every time we put somebody in, they were explosions. >> there was something very special about that setting, those characters that i never got tired of writing that show. >> sophisticated surveys, telephonic samplings, test
audiences, all of those help to separate winners from losers and make midcourse corrections. you can't cut all comedies from the same cookie cutters. all you can hope is every night turns out like thursday. >> yo, angela! >> next. >> how rude. >> he's quick, i'll give him that. >> all of television said, oh, maybe sitcoms are alive again. and that's all that it took. it took one success. >> a few years from now, something new may tempt the people that pick what we see. it's save whatever gets hot for a season or two those who create good television comedy will be laughing all the way to the bank. (whisper) rocket see star trek beyond in theatres.
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♪ this is my last broadcast as the anchorman of the "cbs evening news." for me it's a moment for which i long have planned but which nevertheless comes with some sadness. for almost two decades, after all, we've been meeting like this in the evenings, and i'll miss that. and that's the way it is, friday, march 6th, 1981. i'll be away on assignment and dan rather will be sitting in here for the next few years. good night. >> uncle walter had dominated, certainly cbs, but in a way, the country. people used to say he was the most trusted man in the country.
>> once walter cronkite retires, all three network news anchors within a couple of years switch over to a new generation. the '80s may have been the last gasp where people liked and trusted the media. >> nuclear arms and how to prevent global destruction expected to be the major topic of president reagan's news conference tonight. that conference will be nationally televised within the hour. leslie stahl is at the white house. >> the white house is hoping -- >> in the '80s, women came into the newsroom. when i first joined, it was '72. there were very few. by the '80s, there were more and more. the decade of the '80s was still sink or swim. you had to be resilient in your own way to survive in a period when you were going up against a lot of people who still didn't think women had what it took. >> these are some of the most famous faces in broadcasting. all of them happen to be women. >> the best producers, i'm going to get fired -- the best producers at cbs news are women. and they're at the level of
taking hold and making decisions about individual pieces. they are not yet executive producers of all the news shows. but they will be. >> the past 24 hours, christine craft has taken her cause to many of the nation's news and talk programs. >> i didn't set out to be joan of ark, but i think what happened to me deserves some attention. >> reporter: christine craft had a very successful career but there she was in her late 30s and the tv station said to her, we're taking you off the air because you'otten older and you're not as attractive as you once were, which was outrageous. she decides to make an issue of it. she filed a lawsuit and it became a huge national topic of discussion. >> a jury said she got a raw deal because she is a woman. >> women in television news everywhere were asked, what do
you think about christine craft? >> unfortunately in recent years the emphasis has been on physical appearance and to the extent this decision helped swing the emphasis back to substance and to good journalism. i think we've got something to be happy about. >> it was important to make the point that what mattered was, what's kind of reporter are you? it took the christine craft incident, i think, to bring that conversation out into the open. >> this coming sunday, a new television network opens for business. cnn. cable news network. you are throwing all the dice on this one. >> why not? nothing ventured, nothing gained. >> well, on that original point, mr. turner, thank you very much, indeed. >> i wanted to see what was going on in the world. and it was no way that you could do it watching regular television stations. news only comes on at 6:00 and 10:00. but if there was news on 24 hours, people could watch it any time. >> we signed on june 1 and barring satellite problems in the future, we won't be signing off until the world ends. >> it was widely believed it was a fool's errand. how could this possibly find an audience?
>> well, he did. >> camera three. >> good evening. i'm david walker. >> i'm lois harp. now here's the news. president carter has arrived -- >> television news before this was stuff that had already happened. for the first time, cnn brought the world to people in realtime. >> cnn, the world's most important network. >> i didn't do cable news network because somebody told me it couldn't be done. i figured it was a very viable concept, and i went ahead and did it. it was after we announced we were going to do it that the detractors showed up. >> is cable news network just going to be a new means of delivering the same kind of fare? >> no. it already does provide different fare. cable news network is a perfect and maybe the best example of that. >> people love news. and we had lots of it. and the other guys had not very much. so choice and quantity won out.
>> new york city, hello. >> the major catastrophe in america's space program. >> i am lou dobbs along with myron kandel. >> jessica mcclure trapped for almost three days in a dry artisian well. >> the iron curtain between east germany and west berlin has come tumbling down. >> i'm pat buchanan, the conservative on "crossfire." >> the american people appreciated the new television. they certainly came to cnn in droves. >> mr. gorbachev and i both agree on the desirability of freer and more extensive personal contact between the peoples of the soviet union and the united states. >> we began to realize that the best way to get a message to a foreign leader was to have the president go in the rose garden and make a statement. because everybody was watching cnn. >> cnn was a breakthrough. it changed the whole world. >> it changed quickly. the network news business. that business that we weren't the only ones. and it was hard.
it's hard to be on the top little perch and have to come down off it. >> a special segment tonight, the network news. the first in a two-part series on the profound changes taking place in television news. changes being brought about by business, competition and technology. >> there were a variety of reasons why people who worked at the broadcast networks were freaked out in 1980s. one of them was cnn. and the rise of cable. another was being taken over by foreign entities in corporate america. >> new owners spend billions buying the networks recently, and all of them want their money's worth. >> people began to find out that news could be a profit center. and that focused a lot of attention on us. a lot from people in wall street, for instance. >> if you think about the news divisions of cbs, nbc and abc, they were part of a really proud tradition. a journalistic tradition that really matters. we serve the public. this is not about profit and loss. the people who worked at those
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♪ sometimes ambition in a woman is considered to be a dirty word unfortunately. >> i don't hear the female voices reverberating in the halls of power in this business. >> i'm sure there aren't more shows about women. >> it seems to be an area almost impossible to break through. >> i think the '80s were the era when women were being looked at. with a little skepticism, but definitely with more acceptability. you could see the door opening. but it wasn't wide open. >> cagney and lacey was huge. that there would be two women and they had a serious job and they solved crimes and were out on the streets and they were tough.
that was emblematic or out in front of what was happening in the country. >> so we're a terrific team. >> dh -- this is truthis is tru. >> by that point, hundreds of buddy cop shows. these buddies were women. it had never been done before. >> i didn't go after this job because i couldn't find anything else. all right. i did not come here because i needed some kind of work to help pay the orthodontist. this means something to me. >> what the hell are we talking about here? >> we didn't even realize this was going to be such a big deal. and strangely, all these guys would say to us, well, yeah. i mean, it's a good script, but who is going to save them in the end? >> come on. we're getting out of here. >> you don't take one more step. >> sergeant nelson, you have until 8:00 tomorrow morning to turn yourself in. if you don't, i will. >> it was the time where you really saw an emergence of women on television who were not necessarily just 20 and blond and had a small role. but women who had substantial roles. ♪ thank you for being a friend
♪ traveled down the road and back again ♪ >> it was unpredictable that an audience, a young audience, a not so young audience and lots in between, could relate to those older ladies. >> ma, if you couldn't see, why didn't you call me to come get you? >> i tried to. every time i put in a dime and dialed, a condom popped out. i got five in my pocket. here, dorothy. a lifetime supply. >> she was recently named as one of television's most gifted creative writers. when you look back at the past women's role models on tv, it's easy to see susan harris' impact. >> susan harris was the greatest writer, in my opinion, of her
generation at that time, singularly. so all credit to her for coming up with so many iterations of something so amazing. >> do you think there is a woman's voice as a writer? >> woman's voice? they speak higher, softer? >> i should know not to ask that of a writer. >> yes, of course, there's a woman's voice. women have a different perspective. women laugh at different things. so, yes, there very definitely is a woman's voice. >> oh, do you know how many problems we have solved over a cheesecake at this kitchen table? >> no, dorothy. exactly how many. >> 147, blanche. >> it's cut-throat primetime time this fall as some 23 new shows compete in one of the hottest ratings races in years. here's one just about everybody thinks will be a big hit, "designing women," four friends designi friends forming a designing
business and giving each other the business. >> they were a different group of women than you really saw on television. they were feisty, they were sexy and linda's voice came through shining. >> a man can get away with anything. i mean, look at reagan's neck. it sags down to here. everybody raves about how great he looks. can you imagine if nancy had that neck? they'd be putting her in a nursing home for turkeys. >> they had given me this 23 minutes to address whatever topic i want, and it's such a privilege. it's more than the president of the united states gets and it's kind of thrilling to have that every week. i would be lying if i said i didn't put my opinions in the show. >> excuse me, but you lovely ladies look like you're in the need of a little manly compani n
companionship here. >> trust me when i tell you you have misidentified the situation. >> i don't enjoy being called a woman's writer. i think labels are harmful to us. >> with "murphy brown," the civil rights movement and women's movement had just begun to be reflected in the television program you saw in the 80s. >> you know the dunfy club is for members only. >> and they have great dinners and great guests and it has to do with something you have and i don't, a tiny, pathetic x chrome zone. >> jim, she was unprofessional. am i right?
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thursday. >> johnny carson in the 80s is making the transition from being the king of late night to being a national treasure. he was a throwback to that old show biz stuff. >> i haven't been on with you for some time. >> it's been a long time. >> yeah, well, you've been busy with other things. >> the tide is starting to turn in terms of where late night television is going to go, but johnny is kind of holding out. he was not necessarily of his time in the 80s, but he did sustain a certain timelessness. he's the king. >> on your chair. >> he's all right. he's just playing. >> playing my [ bleep ]! >> my next guest not only has a college degree but he also has a high school degree. >> that's right, i do. >> as well. he's hosted the "tonight show"
practically as much as johnny carson and now he has his own show, weekday mornings at 10:00 on nbc. >> ladies and gentlemen, what you're witnessing here is a good idea gone awry. one good idea turned into an incredible screw up. >> david letterman originally had a one-hour daytime show. and nbc after like 13 weeks decided to cancel it. >> today is our last show on the air. monday las vegas -- have these people been frisked? >> it was a dismal failure in terms of the ratings, but not in terms of introducing to us letterman. >> david, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you very much for having me. i appreciate it. >> and in spite of all this nonsense that goes around in the background, stay with it. don't give up. and stay around in new york. we like having you. >> dave is back in new york. you're going to host a late night television program that premieres monday night.
what are critics likely to say tuesday morning? >> i don't much care because i found a way to deal with that, pills and whiskey. >> you're on. >> oh, i'm on. i was enjoying listening to you snort. >> they gave him the late night show after "the tonight show." people thought who is going to watch television late at night? i'll tell you who's up, the college people. >> he was thumbing his nose to any existing social structures. >> who are those people out there by the way? >> neighbors. >> hey. excuse me. keep it moving. come on. get o out. >> he kind of spoofed the whole notion of talk shows. >> it's the late night guest cam. please say hello to tom hanks.
here he is. >> no one could go on the david letterman show and try to steer it towards a point of view or push something. he just wouldn't stand for it. you're on to do one thing and one thing only, be as funny as the rest of the show. >> we can get in a two shot here, dave. we can actually send the crew here, couldn't we? >> as a comedian, you want the biggest audience that you could get. for dave, he knew a lot of things that he could do were going to alienate people. he didn't care. he wanted himself thumb print out there and that's the most important thing. >> it's time for small town news. paul? excuse me, paul, do you have any accompanying music here for small town news? paul schaeffer, ladies and gentlemen. >> the show making fun of itself and turning itself inside out that way was certainly kind of new. >> don't we look like guys you could see hanging around together? >> absolutely. >> would you like to hang around
with me? >> nope. >> and i'll say it again. this is the stupidest show. >> i thought i would never want to do this show with you. >> now why? because you thought i was an -- >> an [ bleep ]. >> there's one rule i keep trying to abide by ait 12% of te time, it's only television. there's nothing sacred about television. >> steven is upstairs. >> dave, i was just curious. is there any way i can get mtv on this -- >> actually, that's just a monitor and all you can get on that is our show. oh, that's okay. >> there was a degree of cynicism that was needed in the art format that time, and it's a cynicism that just became common sense after a while because it never got old. >> i've watched johnny carson, and you