tv Why They Hate Us CNN August 21, 2016 7:00am-8:01am PDT
>> hatred so profound it drove omar mateen to slaughter dozens of americans on a dance floor in orlando. it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> a better picture this morning of the man accused of killing 13 people. >> americans are asking why do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word, us, why do islamic terrorists hate americans? [ chanting ]
>> 15 years after 9/11, we're no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. >> but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> france was the beginning, tomorrow it will be new york, it is coming. >> inside schools. >> young children are being taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has
worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country, because terrorism again is front and center. >> and that fear has paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> please welcome the next president of the united states. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse folks. >> trump's message has left some americans to say who cares why they hate us? we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes? it's not the christians, it's not the jewish, it's not the buddhists, it's the muslims, you got that on camera, sport?
>> we have training camps showing them how to kill us. >> i'm not going to bow down to them. >> americans are understandably angry and afraid. but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar steeped in the subject like colombia's rasheed halidi, he makes an important distinction. why do they hate us? >> if you take they as being muslims, they don't hate us. if you take they as being a very small group of extreme radicals that's an entirely different question. >> omar comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. >> to the muslims in america i have this to say, how can you
have your locality to a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims? >> no one scares security officials more than al alaki. >> helps plan attacks on the united states. >> he is the driving force behind virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing you as men who loved us just like you love life. >> he is an american born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university, how influential is he? doe car tsarnaev.
>> one of the san bernardino killers, the husband, seyed farook watches al alaki's sermons for years. then there was psychiatrist nadal hassan who murdered 14 americans. hassan emailed alaki about his plans. and another tried to blow a plane out of the sky for al alaki. and omar mateen, the fbi says he appears to have been swayed by al alaki after watching his sermons on the internet. but here's the strange twist in this american horror story. after the american terror attacks, al alaki was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capitol. he was considered such a perfect
role model, a moderate imam in falls church, virginia, that "the washington post" did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. i mean islam is a religion of peace. >> but gradually, it is possible to see the beginnings of his disenchantme disenchantment. >> there is anger and resentment. hatred seems to be something that comes out of nowhere. there are reasons for this resentment. the fact that the u.s. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in iraq. >> no one seems certain when al alaki became a full-fledged jihadi, but one thing is clear, he never speaks of his religion
when asked about why he hates us. his reasons are about american foreign policy, the so-called war against islam that jihadis always speak of. he fled to yemen and eventually became a leader of al qaeda. >> would you say that al awlaki is a threat to u.s. democracy? >> at the very least, he's a threat to the u.s. homeland. >> one more thing i haven't mentioned about al awlaki, he is dead. from an american drone strike in 2011. but al awlaki is still killing americans, some of the attacks
he inspired happened after he was killed. the orlando nightclub murders, al awlaki is on the internet now. >> remember the good old days when americans were enjoying the blessings of security and peace. >> the man is dead, the message is not. >> and yet his name explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. why there are no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists. and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in islam must go deeper.
some say it must come from the koran. but is the islam holy book being distorted? >> there's a mention in the koran, 72 virgins. >> what does the koran promise martyrs? when we come back. er can give you an advantage. like trubiotics with immune support advantage. its unique formula supports immune health in two ways. with probiotics that work in your gut. and antioxidants that work throughout your body. trubiotics from one a day. ♪
ask an honest muslim reformer, you will get an honest answer, there is a connection between the violence and the hatred. >> isis is uber islamic and it's time it's said. >> the next time a bombing or beheading occurs, and god knows it will, the first thing you will hear from a moderate muslim is, oh, no, you don't understand, islam has nothing to do with this, that's simply not true. because most of the people who are doing the bombings and beheadings say they're doing it because of islam. >> the controversial questions triggered a shouting match on bill maher's program. >> we have to be able to criticize bad ideas.
>> but it's the mother lode of bad ideas. >> but these are people who are not fanatical, who just want to go to school and -- you're stereotypes. >> you're painting the whole muslim religious with a broad brush. >> let's get to who has the right answer here. almost a billion people here, almost a billion people don't hold those pernicious beliefs? >> we'll come back to affleck's point about the number, but let's just look at the text, the koran does contain that encouraging tolerance and violence. it demands a fiery death for gay people, with fire and brimstone. and in the bible, if a man has sex with another man, kill them
both, both holy books have verses recommending murder for being gay. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, therefore strike off their heads. >> our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> the same belief that guides isis, in duteronomy, who violent passages, with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in koran. >> once a colorful example of manipulation in a famous koranic story. the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam, 72 virgins.
is that true? >> it is not true. >> margie says that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling real e realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 78 virgins. what it does promise is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated the original worth was the word for raisin, not virgins, in other words martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> raisins, imagine the terrorists who thought they were going to get virgins.
the same -- it also reflects a growing new realty. the violent jihadis who carry out isis terror attacks often know little about islam. >> in many cases they're petty criminals, in many cases they're unemployed, in many cases they're drug users, many of them never had any religious training whatsoever. >> maybe you know better than me even, maybe you have studied. >> they're completely ignorant of religion and they latch on to radical islam to act out their hatred. >> salah was the mastermind of the paris attacks, brahim blew himself up in paris. it is easier say some to brainwash recruits who are not religion. -- religious.
a former radical told the new yorker that for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. this man is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i'm pointing out that the faith itself has the raw material, has the elements for a change. >> there's another part to this story. a brother leaves home. the father asks mohammed to bring them back but mohammed declines and said there is no compulsion in religion. >> it isn't musli-- god does no change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> and to those who say well you
are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say yes, that's correct. and so are you by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> as you can see, islam can be used in many ways, but the question remains why is an intolerant and violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the muslim world. it all starts, believe it or not. with an american pop song.
we're now scrambling to find out exactly what turned this couple into has murders. >> tashfeen mateen, we all ask ourselves how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandmas after nursing that baby and proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyr come. >> there is a way to understand this. because you can draw a straight line from tashfeen malik, directly to the roots of radical islam. let me explain by going back to the beginning of this story. bizarre though it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american
song, 1949, the place was greeley, colorado. ♪ baby it's cold outside >> "baby it's cold outside" was playing on an old grammophone. a deeply religious muslim wrote about that dance. the halls swarmed with legs, lips met lips, chests met chests. the worst sight of all, he said, the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. syed's essay about his time here "the america i have seen" became a sensation in parts of the arab world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food.
>> his views on america are terrifying. they are terrifying because they're narrow, they're racist, he hated the way that men and women interact in society. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments who were trying to westernize their societies, economies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading nation in the world, the united states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of egyptian president. the president had become a rock star among budding radicals.
>> we are muslims that believe in our religion. >> thus in the egyptian prisons and other muslim territories was born al qaeda. he was read and revered by islam islam, anwar al-awlaki and others. then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the oppressive rule of the american backed shah, popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy. for 444 days, the united states watched helplessly as americans
were held hostage. >> there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> at exactly the same time, november 1979, cataclysm in saudi arabia, the takeover of the grand mosque in mecca, islam's holiest site. it was stormed by heavily armed insurgents, demanding the overthrow of the american backed saudi king. this was like rocket fuel for islamic radicals. they had taken control of iran and in saudi arabia, the monarchy makes a fateful decision, it decides to apiece the ultraconservative jihadi clergy, giving them free reign to run schools and mosques and
oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet, that hasn't been touched by this ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you were talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world muslims, the muslim world. >> the new regime is trying to contain radical islam. but one of the most powerful men in saudi islam. the former imam with at the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, we share their ideology, but we express it in a more refined way. >> that ideology is still being
preached in saudi arabia from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers in saudi arabia became 9/11. >> malik came from pakistan, she later moved to saudi arabia. >> so malik lived both in saudi arabia and pakistan, and two countries saudi arabia has lav rishly and successfully exported it's ideology? preach a message muchlike the saudi ideology of jihadism. and one more visitor to saudi
arabia, the orlando shooter, omar mat teen. he went there twice, up next a crucial question, when asked why they hate us, how many others were there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> at most, 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right when we return.
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how many muslims are we talking about? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs to their bodies. >> 300 million people ready to strap bombs to their bodies, could that be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. it's 27%, could be 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace had just told the gop front-runner the facts. >> according to the best experts in think tanks all around the world, they say at most 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars and experts we spoke to agree. the number of jihadis worldwide is somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how did they some up with that
number? simple math. they add eed up all the numbersf all the terror networks worldwide. that added up to .01% of muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, few admit. >> why don't you take a look at the pugh poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pugh that bore in relation to trump's claims. in fact the pugh research center sent us a statement, that said it has not issued a survey saying that 20% of muslims are saying they go to war with the united states nor ask muslims about going to war. but there are some pugh polls with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia has the law of the
land, told pugh they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery, and 86% favor the death penalty, for those who leave islam, religious scholar reza aslan. >> beliefs are just beliefs. >> bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that christians need to die for merely holding a wrong idea, or writing a booker eloping with the wrong person. not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> aslan responds with an analogy from america. >> the christians at the west
borough baptist church believes that god -- they pick at the burial ceremonies of american soldier who is die overseas. now, christians in the united states also believe that homosexuality is a sin, so they share that belief with the westborough baptist church, but they would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same, because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway like the book of mormon, it is currently unthinkable to produce a play on the topic of islam. >> the play lampoons the salt
lake city based religion. >> they took out ads for mormonism in the program. which is just an adorable response. but there is no one who produced that play with a second thought that they will be hunted by crazy mormons, that's what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this, i certainly agree with harris, and yet, there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims, american democracy, the story of american islam, warts and all. what powers the digital world. communication.
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hamtremik, michigan is a story. pole land settlers came here. preserving the traditions of the old country to a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century. this time the immigrants are muslims, from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now, what was once known as little warsaw, is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had historic significance for that community and the country. >> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on. so i'm leaving.
>> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side, there's been rough spots, but hamtramick has vowed to make its new government work. >> we have a great possibility of showing the world how ethnic groups get together to solve problems. >> but then the calls starred coming in, from the rest of americans. >> we're coming out against muslims, they're trying to bring sharia law, people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in america.
>> by the grace of god, it will not dominate texas. >> sharia law, has never been established in any city in america, and no one wants out less than the muslims in hamtrammick. >> we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would bring it to this country, to follow us here? i don't think so. >> his family fled yemen in search of the same things that all americans want. >> we came here for a better life and better security and a better future. we always carry the american flag everywhere we go. >> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is
open. to people of all backgrounds. >> look at this man, he came from pakistan penniless, now he's a millionaire. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. and dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. but rasheed khalidi says it's a list you won't find in many other western countries. >> how many people on french television, how many people with elite roles in business with grandchildren and great grandchildren in the united states? very few. we have a few who are barrons who are important in the media,
whose faces look different than white america. for example, there are very few white faces on french television. >> and the fears that people have, of sharia law, of muslims as terrorists, they're all partly rooted in this fact, 1%. >> most americans don't know any muslims so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam. it becomes very easy to conflate that with main stream every day islam. we would never make that mistake when we are confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity, because we live in a country that's 70% christian, we are tribal, ultimately. we are much more likely to forgive the extremes in our own tribes, than we are the extremes
in other people ee's tribes. >> more than 20 different languages are spoken in the halls of the high school. and there are cultural differences that have to be navigated. >> there's a lot of girls who are not allowed to attend the traditional prom with boys. >> so one teacher had a solution. >> i thought oh, yeah, this is going to be awesome. >> there is still a traditional prom at hamtrammick high, but there is also one with no boys. >> you can wear dresses and go and dance around knowing there's no boys around. >> you have certain rules, from family, from education, from everywhere. you can do, but when you go there, you're a free bird, you know, a bird doesn't have any limitation. up next, my thoughts on why they hate us.
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. the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, or what the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again, and you will probably be right. in 2014, got 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were muslim. but and this is important, so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims, that's crucial to understand, because it sheds light on the question, why do they hate us? islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they hate the modern world, and they particularly hate trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear. while the jihadis are few, there
is a larger cancer within the world of islam, a cancer of extremism and intolerance, most have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion or the majority. are these things inherent in the religion? when experts try to explain that in the 14th century islamic county -- they're not trying to deny the realties of backwardness today, what they're saying is it can change. islam after all has been around for 14 centuries, there have been periods of war, but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now, so what is different? it's not theology, it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant
economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religious an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology that's now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe, even in some rare cases in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines, many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis, the hundreds of muslim reformers i have spoken to say their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn islam entirely, demean their faith and speak of all muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think about this, in america,
african-americans make up about 13% of the population, yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal, it would be dehumanizing, unfair, and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing to do with isis, even though it is also a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged with individuals with individual liberties and rights, it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our
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