tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN August 24, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PDT
joining us at this hour. a lot of breaking news out of italy and now an ongoing situation in afghanistan. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. welcome to "legal view." we are following this breaking news out of afghanistan. reports of an explosion and heavy gunfire heard coming from the american university in kabul. i want to get straight to cnn international correspondent standing by live and also with us cnn media correspondent who is following what journalists there are seeing and saying along with cnn military analyst retired colonel francona. and cnn analyst tom fuentes who will join us on the tactical effort. tell us what is happening at this school and what circumstances are right now. >> as we understand it, this is
an ongoing standoff. an ongoing situation. what we are hearing, what we have managed to glean from the tweets that has leaked out is that there are students trapped within these buildings and it makes very difficult readings to see some of what they are putting out there. desperate pleas for help. a hostage situation talking about the reporting gunfire reporting that female student have broken down into tears. this is the second such incident within this month that american university, ashley. about two weeks ago, about ten days ago, two faculty members were kidnapped. that crime is still unsolved. one australian and one american and although of course we don't as yet know the identity of the assailant, it is very difficult to not take away from the fact this is the american university, that this was intended to be a symbolism of lasting influence
in afghanistan and this could be associated with any of the numerous terror groups that operate in kabul, ashley. >> and just before i get to the incredible communications coming out from those who are trapped and from those who have tweeted from inside the crisis, remind me of who these student are and i mean, from what i gathered, that university is produced 29 full bright scholars. this is a very elite university. who are the 1700 plus students who go there. >> it is a very prestigious organization. this is somewhere where not only those who are considered to be the elite and leaders of the future of afghanistan go. they are also scholarships. this is supposed to be a pathway for a better life for those attending this institution. that is why they are targeted so ruthlessly both now and in the past because to attain that they have had to bring in faculty
members from all around the world and with that of course comes the higher visibility and the higher the value of so many of those inside that building right now, ashley. >> let me just give this urgent to our viewers as news is trickling in on what is happening there. apparently fires burning very badly. police and ambulances that responded to this situation are unable to actual enter this university complex because it is just too dangerous at this time. ryan, you have been working your media sources over there and seeing tweets coming from some of the students who are trapped. what are you finding out? >> this really personalized the story to see it comes from two journalists who were at or near american university in kabul when this happened. one reporter was able to escape. the reporter for cbs news saying he and his friends escaped but several other friend and professor were trapped inside. who were most concerned among journalists there, is an afghan
photographer. i believe we can show one of his comments on screen. what is so scary about his story, his account, is that he tweeted asking for help shortly before 11:00 a.m. eastern time in the u.s. >> inside the complex? >> inside the complex. tweeting he was wounded then deleted that. and then tweeted, saying help, we are stuck inside auaf. that's the american university. he said there is shooting followed by an explosion. he finished his tweet by saying this may be my last tweet. >> have you heard from him? >> it is agonizing to say. he hasn't posted anything since then. the best understanding i have from my sources is that he is okay but is requiring medical attention. he very well may have been wounded but was able to be removed. just one story of potentially dozens of hundreds. this person happened to be a journalist there. a pulitzer-prized winning photographer who worked for the ap at the time. this is just one person seeking help via twitter at this moment and may have been able to
escape. >> all too familiar we are hearing firsthand live accounts through twitter. some of the first pictures are coming into us here at cnn. we have a couple to show you so far. these are pictures fed into our offices. activity outside of the american university and this looks to be potentially the inside of an ambulance, potentially -- >> think about night time there. student taking night time classes and studying in what they felt was a relatively safe space. >> we are working to get satellite imagery in quickly. i've got to harken back it a couple of weeks ago with the kidnapping of two professors. one american, one australian. both kidnapped outside of this facility. the facility itself was shut down. operations were shut down only to be opened up the following wednesday. so presumably operations were as per usual at this university when this attack began.
we are joined on the phone by freelance journalist who is in kabul. what can you tell us thus far about what is happening at the university? >>. [ inaudible ] >> zakaria, can you still hear me? we have lost you. can you repeat what you were saying? i think we may have lost his signal. if we could just reestablish that signal and maybe tap into what zakaria knows about the attack. meantime, former fbi assistant director tom fuentes is with me as well. rick, be it in a city, kabul, elite university, it is still a war zone. still dangerous to move freely around kabul as is evidenced by what happened three weeks ago with the kidnappings. i'm interested to find out they reopened operations there.
what would have been different in that this resulted just weeks later? >> yeah. here's the problem. once you have one of these instances, your immediate response is to ramp up security. you can only maintain that for so long and pretty soon it tapers off when nothing else happened you relax that and get back into a normal posture. if you're the taliban and whatever fwrup conducted this operation, you wait until security gets back down to a level you think can you exploit. >> so tom fuentes, we know so little about what is happening. we know there are explosions. we know this fire is burning out of control at this point. so much so that first responder can't get in. they can't get access to rescue those who may be trapped inside. this is a really complex question given we can't see the area just yet but what is happening with those first responders and with those elite
forces who are then now trying to combat terrorists and rescue those who are in a burning building? >> that's the problem, ashley. the fact that there is a burning building. the fact that you have people that need to be rescued and medically taken care of and that makes it more difficult for any kind of counter assault, say on the facility, to go after whoever is holding them hostage. you have already had gunfire. already had explosives. and any attempt to go in there will probably result in additional gunfire and casualties and they will have to weigh that whether against the fact of doing next to nothing and just waiting until a better time. there's going to be no real negotiating with the people doing this. they typically are on a suicide mission and won't care. that makes it more difficult to resolve the situation without further innocent loss of life. >> and rick francona, there are recurring instances of the tactics where the terrorist
attacks are concerned, secondary attacks. first explosions go off. first gunfire is heard. and there's a lull so security forces and first responders can come in and then the secondary attacks begin. i can only assume they are all too aware of that when responding in a city like kabul. >> yeah. this is what is going through calculus right now as to what we do. special forces are on the scene and they have to make a decision. as tom said, do we mountain attack new or wait until the situation stabilizes. the current thought is that longer you wait, the more casualties you take. but they have to be concerned about what is going on so they have to secure the perimeter before they work on what is going on inside the perimeter. >> all those people holed up inside and sending tweets of their terror, indicating how fearful they are. you have been watching tweets come in. i need to know when you hear
from that -- >> unfortunately there is no word. one of the only people there tweeting in english. we have seen other people posting languages and other people posting from at least 10 minutes ago. so it is an onfgoing situation. the pulitzer prize winning photographer, well known among afghan journalists, posting 75 minutes ago, that he needed help, he heard explosions and this would be his last post he could put on facebook and twitter. my understanding is he is okay but needing medical attention. >> we will continue to watch what the developments are. in the meantime if i could ask tom fuentes, this is an international student body, represented by dozens of bodies. clearly there is a number of different languages spoken. a number of cultures represented. people will look particularly different. that must also present a challenge for those trying to communicate from the outside to
rescue them. >> that's true. but i think the main challenge for authorities who have the facilities surrounding it is to find out exactly how many people are inside that will be the enemy. what kind of weaponry do they have. how many with guns. what type of guns. where are they located within the facility if that can be determined. so there is a lot of information that they still want to get before they charge in there. and you're right, besides communicating with different students in there the question would be, the american university do most of them speak english and they would be able to be contacted over english social networks. that may be ongoing now. we don't know for sure. but the challenge is for authorities to figure out what point does waiting result in more casualties and they have no choice but to make an assault and try to rescue as many as possible. >> again, just to you know, reiterate our breaking news that
has just been happening in the last hour, gunfire explosions heard at kabul university. if that's familiar to you, it is because only three weeks ago we brought you the story of a frightening kidnapping that happened outside that campus. an american and australian. two of them professors that university kidnapped. their whereabouts are unknown. now several weeks later after the university closed and reopened operations, now comes the news of this terrifying situation and the fires apparently burning so badly at this point that police and first responders cannot even enter this complex at the american university at kabul. we will continue to watch. as we get information and more images in from the university we will bring you up to speed on that. we are also watching another disaster that's been unraveling in central italy. a place that typically delights with its images is haunting us. photographs coming out of italy
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we're following other break news out of central italy where a powerful aerm quake killed at least. 3 people at last count but potentially left even more trapped beneath rubble piles like this. they are working feverishly as we speak. racing against time. and desperately looking for survivors using any means they can. in this video taken just hours ago, look closely. that is a woman, a woman, beneath chunks of concrete. the only thing you can see on the right side of the screen is her hand. the only thing coming out of that concrete, man at her side comforting her until help arrives. there are other survives who are describing the terrifying moment that the world crumbled around them. >> i even turned around for a moment because as though someone was trying to play a joke on me and pull when off out of my chair. i turned around and then i
realized the house was shaking and it was an earthquake. >> 3:30 in the morning. dead of night. even though i nef lived through an earthquake before, i woke up, the house was shaking very intensely. there was the most appalling noise. a rumbling like thunder. like a machine was approaching the house. i wouldn't know what an earthquake was. but i was in no doubt. my husband woke up. we yelled at the kids to come down. we all went out of the house into the garden. the electricity was gone and we couldn't see where we were going. we all sat there wondering what on earth to do. >> right now the exact number of people missing are unknown and that's why dogs like this are scouring the rubble piles looking for them. we don't even know at this point what crews are dealing with. piles upon piles of stone, metal, tile. it is extraordinarily dangerous.
all of this remnant of what hours ago is a series of beautiful homes and shops and restaurants. the likes of which attract tour frist america on a regular basis. we will zero in now to the epicenter. look at your map. this is amatrice. this is northeast of the city of rome. and the mayor of amatrice says his town is quote no more. those are the words he used, no more. krp's frederick is on the ground there at the epicenter. cnn's chad myers is also with us. he has been looking at the seismic information. fred, i want to start with you. i can only imagine this was a beautiful over hundred-year-old building. take me there and show me what you are seeing. >> you're right.
it is a tragedy. some of these buildings were 500, 600 years old. i want you to see the actual destruction in the epicenter. they are using an excavators to try to tear down a wall. if we pan back left we will see that. crews here have been working for hours and hours sifting through rubble. they think that under some of these buildings people might still be trapped. some people have been saved here from the rubble in the past couple of hours. as you noted, death toll continues to rise. here in amatrice, the mayor says our town doesn't exist any more. in many ways, you can see he is right. you can see this beautiful very, very old, several-year-old house and you can see there is a hold in the side. there is just the facade standing. everything else is gone. one of the problems rescue crews have as they try to deal with the disaster is they have trouble getting into these villages. this part of italy is so put to
rest and road are so old that they are very narrow and they are covered in debris. they have trouble bringing that very heavy equipment that they need to save people into these little towns. very, very difficult. i just went down the main access roads to amatrice. there are a lot of trucks with mobile clinics, mobile operation rooms, also with ambulances, having a lot of trouble getting in but they are are trying. because they know, the first 72 hours after disaster like this are key. they know people trapped under the rubble, that about how long a human being can survive. >> you just hit the nail on the head. it is hard to fathom just how picturesque that little village was at one time. seeing it literally in rubble right now. as so many people know, the roads in italy are so narrow and heavy equipment can't get in there. what about first responders? people? dogs? kind of responders that can dig and find survivors in the
critical 72 hours, do they at least have that? >> they have that. as we pan into that, that's the main road thereof amatrice. as you can see, it is absolutely packed with trucks. they are doing their best to navigate those areas. what we've seen is teams with dogs going through some of the building he. trying to find survivors. also seeing first responders with their bare hands. in the beginning it was a very local response. local towns people and local officials as well digging through the rubble with their bare hands. and as all of this has gone on, more and more assets have arrived. helicopters that i'm hearing now that are hovering over us and the army trying to get in as well. again, not happening as fast as many would like. however it is a national effort where they are trying to
meeblize all of the assets they have and as you know dogs are one of the most important things, sifting through the rubble. their noses can find people deep down where a lot of technical equipment can't. that is also a priority here on the ground as well. you can see there is a team right now with a dog actually going toward the rubble right now, going there into the center of town where there is a lot more destruction than what we see right here. this is the hardest hit and the mayor of this town has said our town does not exist any more however there are still people trapped under the rubble and the death toll continues to rise. >> you can just see the urgency and those responders around you. i will ask chad myers a question. but fred, ask your cameraman if the helicopters end up in our purview, train the image on the helicopters so we can see what they are doing. chad, i think the concernsome people have, as fred said, digging with their bare hands
through what can be unstable aftershocks. give me the rundown of this disaster. >> italy saying they have seen more than 60 aftershocks. many very small. but there was one at 5.5. this was a very shallow quake and i will get to that in a second, ashley. very close to the central part and the further you are from shaking the less the shaking is but if you have the shaking that occurs, very close to the surface, two miles under the surface was the shake. that is just like a fracking quake. very close, very shallow to the surface. think about this, if you only have two miles before it hit the land, everywhere up here will be devastated. if you move this 70 miles down into the earth's crust then all of a sudden you have 70 miles to move away from the focus itself. which is way down here. that didn't happen. this was not a deep quake. this was not a thunder rolls kind of song. this was a bam.
like getting hit by lightning only block away, not 10 miles away where you have a chance to atenuate some of that power. >> makes a lot of response that those eye witnesses gave us. felt like a heavy machine was rolling next to them. chad, thank you. let us know about the aftershock story. fred, same with you. we will touch base with you to see if the death toll rise answers whether they find survivors. for viewers watching us, you just can't help but be affected by this. good to cnn.com/impact. find out how you can help out to the people who are not only surviving but those who have just nothing left as they assess damage in that community. coming up next here at home, the policy that is probably brought the republican candidate his biggest beoos but biggest cheers as well. is donald trump backing way from the mass deportation demand that got him so many is you sporters
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we're counting down. 76 days before americans go to the polls. and donald trump is in tampa, florida. or soon will be. there valley due to start in about an hour there. we will listen in live, especially for the candidate's latest views on immigration. it is a big buzz word this week. last night donald trump gave a strongest signals yet that he no longer is proposing rounding up
each and every one of those 11 million undocumented men, women and children in the united states to get them out of here. as he has said over and over again in the beginning. get them out, they've got to go. the good ones will come back but they've got to go. now here is how he describes his position in a fox news forum. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking no hurt people. we have some great people in this country. we have some great, great people in this country. so but we're going to follow the laws of this country. what people don't realize, we have very, very strong laws. >> i want to talk more about this softening and other campaign news of the day. with sarah murray live inside that forum. bob cusack is editor in chief of the hill. along with cnn political analyst
josh roguian. face-to-face with the brand-new head of the campaign, trump campaign, kellyanne conway, pushing her. what does this mean? deportation force is gone and we won't round these people all up and kick them out? here is what it looks like. i will ask you about it in a second, sarah. >> you say it is exactly the same. but you're not -- but he is no longer saying 11 million people got to leave. the good ones can come back. ehe is not willy you're saying people who have committed crimes and not the crossing the border but people are convicted of actual crimes, they are the ones who are the focus. but 11 million people are no longer deported under donald trump. >> i am saying there could be a way to figure out how to do it. we're not here to harm people. >> so deportation force. we won't hear donald trump talk about deportation force for 11 million undocumented -- >> he has not said that for a while. and now he is saying that may
not happen at all. sarah, the people behind you in these trump rallies love the deportation force. they love the idea of getting rid of illegal immigrants no matter where they are or who they are. how are they responding to this new tack? >> it is interesting, ashley. we have seen this new tone from donald trump and interviews and campaign manager in interviews but on the campaign trail, you're right. donald trump still calls for building a wall, still one of the biggest when he was campaigning as early as this week. but we asked folks in tampa but they think about the latest language and they don't see it as softening, ashley. >> i think he is probably just rewording, you know, trying to, like he said, soften his way of making people look at his, not that he is being mean. >> i heard a little bit about it. i would like to hear more, today hopefully.
but i don't think he should ease up too much. when it comes to building a wall, i don't think that will ever happen. >> he is trying to be equal. you know. trying to do a fair job. you know, owe biabide by the la. things aren't like it used to be where people can just come in. we have to be cautious when the new people come in that we don't get isis moving in. >> now i think two things happen, ashley. one, like you heard the guy say he doesn't think donald trump will build a wall. he doesn't believe he will do everything he says he will do but they like his tough tone. other is we hear people who listen to the parts of donald trump's speech on immigration and weed out the parts they don't like and ignore those parts. that is why it is particularly interesting to see how he addresses the issue if he talks about them at all in tampa,
ashley. >> stand by. we are just getting word that donald trump has big plans tomorrow for a meeting. being billed as a bit after roundtable format in new york with the fellows from the rnc's leadership initiative. african-american and yet another minority outreach effort in new york at trump tower. my question is this. maybe those folks that sarah interviewed weren't up in arms about this slight shift or softening as it is being called. but will donald trump be able to curry enough favor with these minority groups so as not to suffer from the backlash of those he is alienating and those who will not stand for a change in this hard line stance against immigration? >> ashley, i think it is a tough task. i think it is doable. i think trump supports are adamant about a lot of things. a wall was built and congress
passed wall in 2006 on legislation and it was subsequently built but not completely. so over all, i think he -- this is kellyanne conway, new campaign manager. she is a polster, remember. she looked at the numbers and i think she realized, we can't get there with mostly white vote. we have to do better. much better among minorities, specifically latinos. you see trump meeting with these groups. he wasn't doing that before and i think he has to do it a lot more in coming weeks. >> josh, i want to switch gears. there was this great politician who ran once in new york on the promise that the rent was too damn high. that may just be the slogan now for donald trump's campaign headquarters, rent. he has boosted the rent that he is asking from his campaign and he is renting his own tower to his campaign. back in march it was $35,000, $458, i presume a that's a month. 197 employees.
by july employees went down by 20. but the rent went up by a multiple of more than four times. only thing that changed so to speak in that time was that he stopped self-funding the campaign and he had donors funding the campaign. a lot of people would be outraged by that. they would be angry that donald trump could actually be making good on his quote back from forbe's magazine in 2000, i could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it. but then have you the people who said, i don't believe that to be true. >> i think the people who would be most outraged are donors. what does that say to donors, if you are a donor, a small donor, give your hard-earned cash to trump so he could pay himself to rent offices for himself. it boggles the mind. they are bragging about how the staff went down but is that good? spending more money on less staff? that doesn't seem that
efficient. and the campaign is supposed to be expanding. they've got states where they've got, you know, a 12-year-old running the state office in colorado by himself. this is a problem. they should be adding staff. they are just not spending money the way that, a, they should be if they knew what they were doing and b if they were being responsible who were giving it to them. >> now to be completely fair, that 12-year-old is co-chair. he is co-chairing with his mom. he is adorable. 12 years old, and he is able do that. sarah, thank you. i know you have to get back to work. josh, thank you. appreciate it. see you guys soon. up next, clinton foundation back in the headlines in a big, big way. hillary clinton is now fighting off new pay to play allegations after the revelation of a brand-new list of big donors to the family charity. and the access they got to her when she was secretary of state. we will break it down for you next.
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kind of like this look. i'm calling it the "name your price tool" phase. whatever. while hillary clinton is in california for private fund-raising events, rubbing elbowes with the likes of justin timberlake, et cetera, those pay to play allegations while she was secretary of state are heating up thanks to an explosive new report by the associated press. the ap as it's known reported that more than half of the private citizens who met with hillary clinton or talked with her on the phone during part of her tenure as secretary of state were donors to the clinton foundation. so let that sink in for a minute. they were donors. they got to meet with her. they got to have access with her.
but they weren't in governor of any kind. meeting with secretary of state. you think about that, that is at least 85 of the 154 people outside of the government. and combined the ap says they contributed as much as $156 million to that charity. now that's prompted donald trump and a host of other republicans to seize on the opportunity to go on the attack. trump is calling the clinton foundation quote the most corrupt enterprise in political history. going on to say quote the foundation must be shut down immediately. here is the problem. if you know anything about the clinton foundation, it helps more than 430 million people around the world. that's half a billion. that's more people than the entire united states population of 318.9 million people. to break it down further, the political casualty of this ugly talk to shut that foundation down, to name a few, would be the 800,000 children all around
the world who through no fault of their own are suffering from hiv or aids and who get their medication at a 90% reduced cost through the foundation. 18 million student in the united states. yes, right here in the united states. 18 million kids benefit from the foundation's school programs. teachers do as well. food programs. health programs in american schools. cnn investigation correspondent chris joins me now. here is the difficult part of this. when you hear the picture of the clinton foundation. it is a shining light. it has been rated by nonpartisan organizations as such. but it is the optics of what went on in terms of those who gave to the charity while clinton was secretary of state. what are the clinton folks saying regarding these optics now? >> yeah, ashley, look, the clinton campaign is not mincing any words when it comes to the
reaction to this ap story. the campaign accused the associated press of cherry picking data from a small slice of clinton's schedule give wlag they said was readers a distorted sense of how often she met with foundation donors. in fact here is how joel benson explained it on new day this morning. >> took a small sliver of her tenure as secretary of state, less than half of the time, less than a fraction of the meetings, i think 3% the number they've looked at of all the meetings she met with p.m. this woman met with over 17,000 world leaders. tls other government officials. blic officials in the out. and they've looked at 185 meeting he and tried to draw a conclusion from that. i think it is one of the most
massive rep massi massive rep rehe is not tagss when there wasn't. >> so far they only have schedules from the first half of clinton's tenure. clinton could have vol you will tarly released schedules but she hasn't. brian fallon said if there is more than 1700 meet willings she took with world leaders that statement goes on to note that meetings with some of the individuals mentioned in that story like philanthropist melinda gate and economist meu hammed eunice is squarely in the top diplomatic. but denying any inpmpropriety here. this play niece a weakness that is that voters just don't trust her. 53% of voters think she is not trust worthy. the same poll show that 62% don't believe trump is trust worthy either, ashley.
>> it is important to note as well that despite all of the investigations and prying eyes, media, republicans, campaign of donald trump, there is no smoking gun found to suggest that any of the meetings, phone calls, friends who donated to the clinton foundation and had audience with the secretary of state received anything nor it. in fact the opposite has been found. deals investigated actually amounted to nothing. things weren't given. deals prnt purchased. that the only thing so far discovered. and we should note that associated press has freedom of information themselves into exhaustion to get the files that they did get. so if the clinton campaign has a problem with them being partial in their investigation, they shouldn't make it so hard to get the calendars. chris frates, thank you. the motives of some clinton foundation donors, that charity still get a remarkably high grade. in fact the highest grade when it comes to helping millions of people around the world.
in the philanthropic world the clinton foundation ranks about as high as can you get for a charity. guide star gave it a platinum rating and charity watch gave it an a. daniel bore cough is the president of charity watch and joins me live from chicago. daniel, thanks for being with us. tell me how the found dag ranks compared to other nonprofits and why they get an a. >> the clinton foundation is an excellent charity. they are able to get 88% of their spending to bona fide program services and their fund-raising efficiency is really low. only costing them $2 to raise $100. they are out there with other charities such as doctors without borders, salvation army, american red cross. on the other hand, charity watch has f rated charities such as feed the children that only gets about 42% of their cash spending to bona fide program services. >> across the board, people in
your business of rating charities who are not politically motivated say it is stellar. and then you get the opinion piece in usa today written today saying yes the clinton foundation supports many good works notably the fight against hiv aids. no it is not the most corrupt enterprise in political history as donald trump is calling it. nor is there enough evidence of potential criminality to warrant appointment of a special prosecutor trump is seeking. but the only way to eliminate the odor surrounding the foundation is to wined it down and put it in mothballs starting today and transfer its important charitable to another large charity such as the bill and melinda gates foundation. the casualties of what some call a scorched campaign, who will be hurt the most? >> well, the people, will the millions of people that get reduced medical, pills for like aids, there's all kind of programs they do that help
millions of people. and people will die unless people get the help. hopefully another group would take it on. for a second, if you pull the election politic out of the equation here, it is a really good charity. people need to look at it apart from their political views and it is a good charity. like the carter center is a good charity as well. another former president founded. so you got to look at it from the metrics. they have good governments, accountability. great financial efficiency. valuable important programs that help a lot of people in the world. pull the politics out. regardless of what you think about hillary, the clinton foundation is a good charity. >> thank you. i appreciate your time on this one. remember, it is a charity. odor aside. a lot of people need that help. we are still watching live pictures out of tampa florida where in a few minutes donald
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