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hi there, i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn. let's get straight to the breaking news here out of afghanistan where we are watching these reports here of explosions and gunfire out of american university there in the capital city of kabul. at least five people have been injured. a police operation is set to launch very shortly searching this campus for any suspected attackers, gunmen. this is the very same university where just a couple weeks ago two lecturers were kidnapped at gunpoint right from their car. in fact, one of them was an american. so let's begin our coverage with our reporter covering the story
for us. is this a hostage situation? do we know? are there students and professors still trapped? what do we know right now? >> well, it has become a de facto hostage situation, whether that was the intent is is not yet clear. but we have reports of students and faculty members still trapped within that campus. it took hours for security forces even just to be able to break through the parameter of the university and get inside the university itself. they are now inside the university but we don't know as yet if they have been able to even engage with the attackers. fortunately, over 100 people are now being reported as having escaped. they bring with them some pretty horrifying details, brooke. grenades being thrown. students being chased. the tweets that were coming out of there made very difficult reading. "please, someone, anyone, come help us." and this went on for hours.
and as yet, security forces haven't actually managed to locate in which parts of the campus the attackers have situated themselves. those eyewitnesses we spoke of who managed to escape though said it appeared that they had prepared themselves for a long standoff, brooke. >> tell me more about the university itself and the students who attend. >> this was meant to be the lasting legacy for the united states in afghanistan. this was about building the next generation of afghan leadership. there have been a number of f l fullbright scholars that have come out of the american university in afghanistan. this is for the brightest and the best and it was an incredibly prestigious institution which is why there were faculty mem befs from arou members from around the world. the symbolism of this being an american university -- though we have not identified the
assailants and who they represent, the reality is this has been a target for a while now. >> thank you for the update so much. let me bring in a freelance journalist on the ground there in kabul, balal, if you can hear me, you were just hearing tales of grenades being thrown -- there you are. we -- can you hear me, balal? it's brooke, you're live on cnn. bob baer, let me pivot to you, former cia. you can talk to me a little bit while we work to get balal up and ready. do you know much about this university, bob? >> yeah. of course, it is u.s. sponsored. it is the united states effort to build a nation in afghanistan after the invasion of 2001. a lot of money's been put in to it. they try to bring american instructors in. they try and protect it. the security, like most public
bldings in buildings in kabul is very, very good. but the taliban are on the offensive -- i'm assuming it is the taliban -- and they're able to breach these walls. it is not as guarded as the american embassy, for instance. >> bob, stand by. balal, you are live on cnn. can you hear me, sir? >> yes, i can. >> okay. wonderful. tell me what you know. you are there in kabul. >> unfortunately, this has been very personal for many of us. i've had my cousins, my relatives and my friends have been stuck inside classrooms when the attack happened. as we speak, afghan special forces from the crisis response un unit, and elite special forces unit specifically trained to fight attacks like this is on the ground. we understand close to 140 students have managed to escape for their lives.
some of them jumping over walls. others have just gone into people's homes in west kabul. one of my family members who was there told me that the attackers had maps. they were drinking red bulls, clearly aimed at staying for as long as they could. and that some of them were tossing hand grenades. now it is important to mention that ever since the leader of the pakistan-based militant group has taken over as the number two for the taliban leadership, running the war for the taliban, we have had very lethal and deadly attacks in kabul. whether that's huge truck bombs or an attack like this. but what is very clear, that this is an attack on afghanistan's future. the american university of afghanistan is a symbol of american and afghan friendship. this is also sign of the americans telling the afghans that we are here to help you, we are here to train your future generations. and i can simply tell you actually the top of my head, i
know more than 50 government officials who have simply gone and got that quality education and they are running very important and key positions within the afghan government. but what it also boils down to is that the life of afghans continues to be fraught with every day risks and dangers. i also can tell you that some american citizens have managed to escape from the university. some western nationals are still stuck inside. we still don't know who have waerd out t carried out the attack but one counterafghan official said this is an attack by those who don't want after afghanistan to pros ter. it is still a very alert situation and many families are also calling local tv stations like radio stations trying simply to find out about their loved ones. many hospitals in kabul have received afghan students and
many other civilians and they are being treated for the injuries. >> it is a place of promise and a future. it is entirely symbolic i think, to your point. bob, back to you on wrun one ofe details of the gunmen, drinking red bulls, using maps, throw og hand grenades. what's that tell you? >> it was organized. the taliban is on the move all across afghanistan. episodically they attack kabul. they attacked a shia gathering couple months ago. they clearly intend to take as much of the country before winter sets in and one way to do that is destabilize the federal government in kabul and attack foreign targets. they are number one. and anybody they catch, foreigner, in this attack, it's going to be a real problem. >> balal, they still haven't
found those two lecturers, the australian and the american who were kidnapped ten days ago from this very university. they still haven't been found, is that correct? >> i think it is important to say at that time when that kidnapping took place, the afghan interior ministry said that was a criminal case. we have seen that there have been kidnappings for ransom and many of the western citizens and rich afghans are seen as golden gooses. i think what you also have to situation, whether that's threats from militants or criminal gangs here in kabul have changed dramatically. restaurants where westerners and rich afghans were hanging out or getting clothes, most westerners were leaving their homes. they were also employing afghans, as you can imagine. so the situation, unfortunately, has changed. but what is important, an attack like this is an attack on afghanistan's future, as i said. what it does, it discourages
people. what it does, it denies your future doctors and engineers. and this is also a country -- let me make it clear -- where educated people, they really don't grow on trees. you really don't have the luxury to get an education. you raise a kid. you raise someone who's 20 or 25. they've survived the civil war, the taliban, all these attacks, and suddenly they are in their classrooms and they get killed. so lives for many families, for many relatives continues to be destroyed and dreams continue to be shattered. and, unfortunately, that's one of the harsh realities of life here in afghanistan. >> as the attacks continue, we'll revisit this again next hour as we have been reporting, hand grenades being tossed out. at least about 100 students or so have managed to escape. but it is chilling entirely at the american university in kabul and afghanistan. thank you both so much. back here at home on
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accusing her of blurring the line between the state department and the clinton foundation. >> it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. it is now abundantly clear that the clintons set up a business to profit from public office. they sold access and specific access by, and really for, i guess, the making of large amounts of money. >> and, trump's ammo coming from, of all places, the media specifically. an associated press report within this report claims more than half of the private citizens who hillary clinton met with during her tenure -- half of her tenure -- so two years -- secretary of state were donors to the clinton foundation. for its part, the clinton
campaign saying, "this story relies on utterly flawed data. it cherry-pick a limited subset of secretary clinton's schedule to give a disoriented portrayal of how often she crossed paths to citizens connected to charitable donations to the clinton foundation. all of this happening as trump is getting his own fair of raised eyebrows right now, donald trump saying right now he is up to"softening" his stance on immigration, just two days after he said he refused to soften his policy. it is credited for drawing so much of his primary support. ned ryan, ceo of american majority and former residential writer for george b. bush and trump supporter. lisa booth, contributor for "the washington examiner." bakari sellers, cnn commentator and clinton supporter.
bakari, i've got to begin with you here. on hillary clinton an this ap story, is she trying to run down the clock? is this a self-inflicted error that she could have avoided? >> no. i think the error actually is on the part of the ap. what we saw was click bait journalism. we saw shoddy reporting at best. you had 85 out of i believe 170 individuals who they say were private citizens but she had over 17,000 meetings. these 85 donors were less than 1% of the 7,000 donors that have actually given to the clinton foundation. and furthermore, when you look at some of these people you are talking about nobel prize winners. talking about bill gates and his wife. i mean you are reducing these people -- >> these are folks she could have met with as secretary of state. why didn't they go through those channels versus donating money and to borrow donald trump's phrase that he's hammering, pay
to play? >> but that premise is false. you're making the assumption that just because they donated money they actually got a meeting. the fact of the matter is -- >> but access was granted. was it not? >> no, no, that's not true at all. take the prince of bahrain who actually donated to the clinton foundation. he actually met with hillary clinton. but what people aren't talking about is the fact that he also met with joe biden. the red carpet was also rolled out with leon panetta. he had a red carpet rolled out to him from the united states government, not just the secretary of state. it was not because he donated any money. there is no correlation and in fact the ap, they cannot close the circle. there was no pay to play in this. in fact it is -- just. >> lisa, jump in. >> i think most people would take what the associated press is reporting over a woman who took the unprecedented actions of setting up a server so that she could avoid foia requests, then tried to delete tens of
thousands of e-mails so forensic evidence couldn't recovery it. i think i is going to take the associated press's word. the fact is hillary clinton as the nation's top diplomat as secretary of state, 40% of the donations that went to the clinton foundation were from foreign countries. it is not justlogging these att against hillary clinton and looking at the intersection between hillary clinton and her time as secretary of state and the clinton foundation. "the new york times" ran a story with uranium 1 in a deal she approved as secretary of state which some of those individuals behind uranium 1 were donors that gave russia 20% of u.s. uranium. it is also the international business times who did an investigative report talking about the fact that arms sales to governments that donated to the clinton foundation increased under secretary clinton's watch. so the problem here is the fact that we have the nation's top diplomat, secretary of state, taking money from a lot of these sketchy governments as well,
middle eastern countries that have egregious human rights records. >> which, brooke, there are a couple of other things in addition to this ap, story some of the things that have not been reported on a wide note yet. again, the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york appears to be opening an investigation of corruption charges into the clinton foundation. >> can we stay on what we're talking about? i understand -- but on the -- >> look, let's try to put this in perspective, okay? i know that the trump campaign is counting on hillary to be indicted or lock her up or lock her up. it ain't going to happen. right? number one, number one, number one, it is very ironic, if not hypocritical for donald trump to raise this issue. he gave $100,000 to the foundation. he must have thought that they did some good work at one point. and also, he bragged about the fact that he paid to play. that's why he gave all this money he said to politicians because he then asked them for favors. having said that, let's remember a couple of things. number one, there are 84 -- 85
out of 154 people that ap looked at. doesn't count, as bakari pointed out, thousands of other people she met with. two, there was nothing illegal about setting up meetings. three, there is no evidence at all -- in fact there is tons of evidence that neither bill nor hillary clinton did profit from these meetings which donald trump claims. having said that, i have to say there is a perception problem. the perception of pay to play and the perception problem was bad at the state department. it is inexcusable, could not happen at the white house which is why i think eventually the decision is going to have to be made, despite all the great work it's done, to shut down the clinton foundation when she takes the oath of office. >> bakari, on the perception issue, can you see that? so the question -- even if it was a conflict of interest issue when she was being tapped to become secretary of state by the obama administration. that was recognized then. the question is folks out on the street who may not totally
understand all the amazing work that this foundation has done, they think -- hang on a second, hillary clinton somebody is she trustworthy? how does she fix this? bakari? >> that is a perception problem, brooke. i will give that to you. bill prest laid that out perfectly because it is a perception problem. it is not a question of illegality because that doesn't exist. it is hard to push back against all of the 8 million children benefiting from the aids funding for to the clinton foundation. the difference between bill clinton, hillary clinton and donald trump is that this is a non-profit. donald trump is going to have extremely difficult time, god forbid he ever becomes president, separating a for-profit trump enterprises from his presidency. that is the question that should be asked. >> hold on. i want to hear ned. go ahead.
>> here's the deal. here's a couple things. again, this ap story. a lot of other things are per calculati this is about perception, it looks bad, this doesn't have anything to do with democrat voters or republican. this has to do with independent voters. they're going to have to decide do we actually trust hillary. this looks suspicious. does this look like pay to play. is this influence peddling. this story is not going to go away. as more and more people start to pay attention, especially especially post labor day and these stories continue to happen, this is going to have an impact on independent voters' perception of hillary. >> hold on, hold on. ned, let me -- on perception, let me pivot and talk more. mr. trump. question he was supposed to have this immigration speech. that's not happening for another -- who knows -- couple of weeks. he has said maintaining last night in austin to a roaring crowd, i'm still going to build
a wall. but his word softening. i will soften my stance on immigration. my question to you is, how specific? how specifically? >> i think there are a couple of things i think that he made clear that you have to say, if there are illegal immigrants who have committed a violent crime, they have to be deported. what he has started to address is what do you do with the illegal immigrants who have been here 10, 15, 20 years that have not committed a violent crime. i'd like to see them propose a policy idea saying, okay, they've been here illegally, pay a fine, call it the blue card, that gives them legal status for seven to ten years. then it is a middle step. listen, mass deportation of people that have been here for 15 to 20 years is going to be a very hard thing to sell. i'd like to see him propose another step. >> it is not going to be a hard thing to sell. it is an impossible thing to do. >> donald trump says he could do it. >> donald trump says it is going to be a more humane policy.
there is no humane way to deport 11 million people and he cannot -- and he has no idea how he would do it. i find it stunning that almost labor day this campaign is so confused, they can't explain what their policy is or what their actions are going to be on donald trump's signature issue. number one. number two, i can't pleefb that the republican party, which in 2012 knew they were losing and could never win the white house again because they were taking on the latino community, has now totally reversed itself and basically its war on the fastest growing segment of the american electorate. i mean that is astounding. it is appalling. i think it is suicidal. >> we have to leave it. we are talking later in the show though about how mr. trump is meeting with african-americans. it is a roundtable similar to that of his meeting over the weekend. for now -- my goodness, it is almost labor day. isn't it? thank you all so much. coming up next here, we have
to talk about turkey. they are taking the fight to isis. why this is such a significant step and what it could mean in the fight on terror next. also, this devastating earthquake causing tremendous damage there in italy. just look at the faces hoar. just extraordinary stories of survival coming out of italy. we have a correspondent in the middle of it. we'll take you there live. you're watching cnn. your heart. but there's a difference between the omega-3s in fish oil and those in megared krill oil. unlike fish oil, megared is easily absorbed by your body... ...which makes your heart, well, mega-happy. happier still, megared is proven to increase omega-3 levels in 30 days. megared. the difference is easy to absorb.
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border in to syria. it is a battle with the terror group, this as vice president biden touches down in turkey to pay the nato ally a visit today. our senior international correspondent ben wedeman is there is in you areky. especially in the wake of that attack at the ataturk airport this summer, what's taken turkey so long? >> reporter: well, the turks i think were holding out, hoping that somehow the situation in syria would be politically resolved. but it is clear that that's not going to happen any time soon. certainly since the middle of last year, there's been a series of isis bombings in turkey starting last summer, and of course you were there on the 28th of june when there was the attack on the istanbul international airport, and over the weekend this latest attack on the wedding party that left 54 people dead.
turkish officials say all of those things, plus almost very frequent cross-border rocket and mortar fire into turkey, they decided that this was it, they were going to support -- provide tanks to the free syrian army going into this town, jarablus which they say they've now completely taken over. beyond all of that, you have to look at the big picture. the turks are are increasingly concerned about the fact that syrian kurds are gaining more and more territory in syria. the turks are worried about the creation of a syrian/kurdish entity on their border. they already have an iraqi/kurdish entity on their eastern border, which even though it isn't officially an independent country, for all intents and purposes, it actually is. so the turks are worried about isis, they're worried about the kurds. they had american air support
today in this operation, so it looks like they're going in and they're going in this a big way. brooke? >> syria, just along the southern border of turkey. ben wedeman, thank you so much, as always. you know the region better than almost anyone here. meantime, the death toll in the devastating earthquake that hit central italy has risen to 120 people now. one town in total ruins while people in a nearby area are using just their own hands to dig out their neighbors who could still be trapped in that rubble. it was a 6.2 magnitude quake. it hit in the middle of the night. the epicenter was near the town of norcia. the mayor of the town of amatrice says the town is no more. one tweet from the father of someone who lived near center of
the quake. cnn's international correspondent frederik pleitgen is in one of the most devastated towns. is it possible that all these hours later people could still be trapped? >> reporter: well, brooke, authorities here really do seem to think so. just a couple of minutes ago all of us here who are doing live reporting here from amatrice were told to be absolutely quiet for about ten minutes because crews that are working here, you might be able to see some of those saws that they're using right now, they believe that they might have heard someone who may have been beneath that rubble. and so they told all of us to be very quiet. and then they were listening. at that point it turned out that there was probably no one there. but we have seen them work here with sniffer dogs. we have seen them employ equipment to try to get people out of the rubble. unfortunately, we've also been on hand when bodies were pulled out of the rubble. so they are finding some dead bodies as well. absolutely devastating for this community. i saw one woman just absolutely
break down when one of her relatives was pulled out of one of these destroyed buildings. of course this is absolutely horrible for people here who not only have to deal with the shock of losing loved ones and having loved ones wounded but also the fact that this town really has faced utter destruction especially because of the fact that the houses here -- some of them 500, 600 years old of course whether this earthquake hit just were absolutely reduced to rubble. brooke. >> in the middle of night in pitch black. to think you had to be quiet to hear if there could be noise to rescue anyone. fred pleitken there, thank you very much where the earthquake has hit in italy. coming up next, donald trump. he is still holding that rally in tampa, florida. thus far this week he's been ramping up his outreach to african-american voters, to hispanic voters. question we are asking is, how effective is it and what, if anything, could he really be doing better? we have two guests coming up
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to the african-american parents, you have a right to walk down the street of your city without having your child or yourself shot. and that's what's happening right now. that's what's happening. to the hispanic parent, you have a right to walk outside without being shot. you have a right to good education for your child. you have a right to own your home. you have a right to have a good job. the democrats and hillary clinton policies, once she gets -- if she gets your vote -- and i think we're going to do great with african-americans and
with the hispanic -- but once she gets your votes, you know what she does? bye-bye, folks, see you in four years. >> that was donald trump a second ago speaking to a crowd at tampa. he's been crisscrossing a bunch of states lately making a pitch to african-american voters, also hispanic voters, in front of mostly white crowds. but cnn is learning his campaign is planning a more concerted effort to reach out to black voters by making trips to more diverse areas, that includes a rally tonight in predominantly black jackson, mississippi. cnn has learned trump will host a group of young hispanics and african-americans tomorrow. let me bring in a senior news and culture editor at essence.com. rene street toppin is with the
coalition for diversity for trump. welcome. rene, let me begin with you. as a trump supporter, and you have critics coming on this show and others saying trump is only pandering to black voters, that he's not being genuine. what's your response to them? >> well, my response is that most, if not all, politicians pander. that's what they do. right now the african-american vote is extremely powerful. neither candidate can win without the african-american vote. and quite frankly, donald trump is the only one that has reached out to me and my organization of over 7,000 african-american women and offered to listen to our problems and review a solution. we have not heard from hillary clinton. >> turning to you, christina. do you think that donald trump speaking to black and hispanic voters the last week, do you
think he is being genuine? >> absolutely not. it is so disingenuity which is. i believe i speak for the "essence" reader when i say his comments were totally tone deaf and obviously offensive. >> which comments? >> about black people. just painting black people with this brush, as a monolithic group that desperately need his help because we're poor, because we don't have education. in fact i think he said we're horribly educated or horrible educated. >> he was just saying, you have a right to education, a right to own a home, a right to have a better job. a right for some depending on i guess where you live, a right to not be shot while you are walking down the street, some have taken him to task for that. does he have a point? >> he totally has a point. i don't think we have time on the show to go through systemic racism and the structure that lends itself to why black people are disenfranchised or the historical context. but for trump who has a terrible record with black people and women or people of color in
general, it doesn't feel very genuine. we are talking about a candidate who was sued for not allowing black tenants in his apartment buildings. a candidate who took out full-page ad for the central park five. talking about a candidate who started the birther movement which is riddled with racially charged rhetoric against a sitting president. we're talking about a candidate who has publicly condemned the black lives matter movement but he calls himself the law and order candidate. now he wants to speak to blacks? >> rene, you disagree. go ahead. >> bill clinton came to the city of philadelphia and said that black lives matter were protecting the thugs and the criminals. now that's not a racist statement, i've never heard a racist statement. what kwo be more racist than calling the black lives matter movement thugs and criminals. so i am solution oriented.
i am looking to the future. i'm not looking to the past. and donald trump was not a candidate for office in the past. he is a candidate for office now, and now he's in a position to hear our needs, to address our needs, and he is motivated to address our needs. i'm an african-american woman. my vote -- my vote is an asset. it is an asset. and in order to -- for us to have leverage and negotiate our asset, we have to be willing to walk away and until we are willing to walk away from the democratic party, we will continue to throw our asset, call the vote at the defeat of democrats who take our vote for granted, who are not hearing our issues, and we will get the same thing for the next eight years that we got for the last eight years. so donald trump is now ready to hear and address our issues, then it is continued upon us to
use the power of the vote to leverage those resources that we need for our community. >> it's interesting though. because as a black woman who is a part of the "essence" audience or community, these are black women and our vote is powerful. >> it is an asset. >> yes. so ren the is correct. we are the largest voting bloc. we largely determined the 2008 and 2012 elections. that is not because obama galvanized us but because black woman voter turnout has decreased since the '1960s. i don't see where donald trump has reached out to black women voters. i'm all about freshness. py read rene's column. py agree. establishment politics is not what we want. but i'm looking for those fresh ideas that people are talking about. >> hang on a second. we're going to go to donald trump. here is donald trump. we want to hear this. he is talking specifically about
the clinton foundation. we'll then return to our chat. >> -- he calls the director a liar. he saved hillary clinton from facing justice for her illegal and corrupt actions. they were illegal and they were corrupt. and the fbi saved her. and i would imagine many people within the fbi are extremely embarrassed. extremely. remember, bill clinton was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. and also had to give up his law license. people forget. hillary clinton created an illegal private e-mail server, deliberately, willfully and with total premeditation.
pre-m pre-m pre-medication. i think i like it. wow. all right. premeditation. i love that! she did so to cover up a vast pay-for-play scheme. her actions made our enemies vulnerable to foreign hacking and we are vulnerable. that's what's happened. we have become so vulnerable to foreign hacking and betrayed the security and safety of the united states, our military, and all of our people. her actions are criminal, they're purposeful and they're totally calculated. she knew what she was doing.
that's why i've called for a special prosecutor to look into this. the problem is with the administration rigging the system -- it is a rigged system, folks -- to protect her vast criminal behavior, the real jury is going to be the american voter on november 8th. hillary clinton thinks she's above the law. she's got -- and honestly, folks, she's got nothing going. got nothing going. there's nothing there. there's nothing going. there's nothing for you. that's going to be four more years of obama, four more years of isis knocking the hell out of us all over the place and everyone else. got nothing going.
come november the american people are going to prove that she is not -- she is not a person worthy of becoming the president of the united states. we don't want four more years of obama, and i think she would be worse than obama. i've been watching so carefully over the past month. hillary clinton doesn't do speeches. she doesn't do press conferences. it's been almost 300 days. she doesn't do rallies of any consequence. she doesn't do this kind of stuff. we have all these people. she's failed at filling the arenas. you look at her events, they should show those arenas. they never show our arenas packed. but they shall show her arenas that are empty.
people don't know where she is. her supporters have really very little enthusiasm. the only people enthusiastic about her campaign are hollywood celebrities, in many cases celebrities that aren't very hot anymore, and wall street donors, special interests, lobbyists, et cetera that want to control government, not to the benefit of our country but to the benefit of their wallet. even her protesters don't have the spirit that bernie protesters have. we had some protesters last night. we had a massive rally last night. and we had some protesters. it is like they raise their hand and people -- they're so nice. the cameras don't even cover her
protesters. i like it when the camera covers the protesters. then they finally show how many people we have at these things. her protesters have so little enthusiasm for her, and they're so boring that the cameras don't follow them. so it is sad when you think of it. i like the bernie protesters better. >> okay, so donald trump there obviously these are some of the lines we've been hearing over and over from the trump campaign, that hillary clinton is criminal, pointing out their criticisms, he describes the pay-to-play scheme within clinton foundation. but we should note, he donated $100,000. also the issue with her private server. we have much more both sides of the campaign represented. to put a button on our conversation here about mr. trump reaching out specifically to the black vote, christina coleman, senior news and culture editor the a essence.com, rene street toppin, business
diversity coalition for trump. christina said why hasn't mr. trump reached out to me as a woman. i know you said he's reached out to you and your ofrgs organizati organization. the criticism has been the republican party and specifically the trump campaign has not gone to these black communities. my question to you is, why not? wouldn't that make a difference? >> yes. absolutely. and it is on the schedule. it is in the works. we are bringing mr. trump -- as a matter of fact, we have a rally on september the 15th in support of our candidate, james jones for the 2nd congressional district here in philadelphia. mr. trump does have the diversity coalition, and we have been advising him pendant and we are going to be bringing mr. trump in to the inner cities. but my question would be to the other guests, when was the last time that hillary clinton was in
philadelphia? i remember her being here in 2008 when my uncle was the mayor of philadelphia and i haven't seen her since. our children are dying in the street. our schools are deteriorating and i have not seen hillary clinton, nor did i see her in the inner cities when she was in philadelphia. so i don't understand how you can compare because we haven't seen ms. clinton in about eight years either. >> well, she was there for the dnc but i understand your point in the other communities. >> it also wasn't necessarily comparing. i can't speak for the "essence" audience when i say they've chosen a candidate. i think that they are open to hearing what trump has to say. but i think they also have a grasp on the language that hillary is using. -- or clinton is using. so that is systemic racism, criminal justice reform. she's talk being about issues that matter to us. education, equal pay. where is trump on this?
i think it is very naive of him to think that he can gain 95% of the black vote if he's elected and it is a free election in 2020. >> he's reaching out though to these black voters tomorrow. i think we saw pictures of mike pence sitting in the barber shop yesterday. >> that's not enough. the man needed a haircut. i don't want to focus too much on this because a black man was cutting his hair. right? but it's not enough for our audience that he is going to detroit now. or he's going to these black communities now because it's almost september. it's almost september. >> i know. it is just about after labor day. i want to continue this conversation. black vote is so, so, so important. thank you both. come back to both of you. you just heard there. we played the clip of donald trump live there in tampa hammering hillary clinton over donations and access that he talks about and that she gave donors to the clinton foundation as she served as secretary of
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we continue right along. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we begin with what just might be donald trump's most effective line of attack against hillary clinton. he is accusing her of blurring the line between the department of state and the clinton foundation. here he was speaking about it just a short while ago in tampa, florida. >> she sold favors and access in exchange for cash. she sold them. she sold favors. she sold access. and wait until you see when it is revealed all of those people -- now it looks like it is 50% of the people that saw her -- had to make contributions to the clinton foundation. wait until you see ultimately what she did for all of those people.
wait until you see. >> where exactly is trump getting his information? it's coming from the media, specifically an associated press report. within this report it claims more than half of the private citizens who hillary clinton met with during her tenure as secretary of state were donors to the clinton foundation. the clinton campaign firing back saying, "this story relies on utterly flawed data. it cherry-picked a limited subset of secretary clinton's schedule to give a distorted portrayal of how often she crossed paths with individuals connected to charitable donations to the clinton foundation." jeff zeleny, cnn's senior washington correspondent. we've heard about how trump talks about the foundation as a way for the clintons to make money. he says his phrase is always pay to play. but is there any evidence they actually profited from any of this? >> no, there isn't any evidence that they actually profited. the clinton campaign will point
out, and rightly so, they were not taking salaries from the foundation. they were not receiving any money personally from the foundation. donald trump is wrong when he says that people who met with secretary clinton were required to give money. it was actually in the reverse. the ap report after analyzing all of her calendars from part of her time as secretary of state, found that the people -- non-government employees she was meeting with had already contributed. the state department last night tried to clarify a little bit and put in some perspective saying, a lot of people who would give to the foundation are humanitarians, are sort of civic leaders and they would have business before the secretary of state. but that does not erase the fact that this appearance of conflict of interest, this appearance of blurred lines here between the foundation and the state department, it certainly exists. it has existed. i talked to several democrats today who are actually
frustrated by this. the clinton foundation has long been -- yes, it does good work. yes, it helped fight malaria, give clean drinking water, give aids vaccines across africa, but it also has now blurred some lines. that's now injected squarely into the political campaign, giving donald trump more ammunition. everything he's saying is not correct but there is no question these lines have been blurred. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. let's talk about it, alice stewart with us, cnn political commentator and former communications director for ted cruz's presidential campaign and now a trump supporter. guy cecile, co-chair and chief strategist of priorities usa, a pro-clinton super pac. mark preston, cnn politics executive editor. welcome to all of you. guy, even just to quote jeff zeleny talking about how even democrats are frustrated.
yes, the clinton foundation has done extraordinary things for people around the world. but at the end of the day, do you think that hillary clinton and her response to all of this has been robust enough? >> yes. and let me just say i'm not frustrated by their response. i'm frustrated by the coverage of the attack. do people really think that they were trading favors in order to meet with the secretary of state or that it was inappropriate for her to meet with a nobel prize winner in economics? or mechaniclinda gates? the answer to that is no. the focus of this on appearance instead of the facts, in this case 11,500,000 people saved that would have otherwise died from hiv/aids. jeff laid it out. clean drinking water. thousands of farmers in west africa. work all around the united states. whenever we reveal the facts, not the appearance, but the facts that are associated with this, we find three things. number one, the foundation has and continues to do good work in
the united states and around the world. number two, there is no evidence, and it did not happen. there were no trading favors for access. and number three, donald trump gave money to the clinton foundation. mitt romney appeared at the clinton global initiative. countless republicans, including the republican campaign manager for donald trump, have admitted that the foundation does good work. so i have no frustration with anybody except for the way this has been covered in a one-sided manner. >> so alice, to guy's point. we had kellyanne conway on last night. yes, mr. trump gave 1$100,000 t the clinton foundation. with everything guy outlined, why is trump jumping on this? >> certainly because there is once again appearance of impropriety here and we've known for quite some time. i've been in arkansas for 20 years and they have a history of ethical shortcuts throughout
their lifetime. there is no disputing the fact that the clinton foundation does phenomenal work. with the the associated press, all news outlet, not a right wing conspiracy, but the associated press showing that as we have said, more than half of the people outside of government that she met with did contribute to the clinton foundation, to the tune of $156 million over the years. and did open the doors. it does create the appearance of what seems to be a pay-for-play operation and the best way to clear this up as donald trump has called, rudy giuliani, chris christie, tom cotton, several republicans, let's appoint a special prosecutor, an outside independent prosecutor to come and take a look at this and see if we can actually find e-mails that were missing that can connect the dots and let's put this to rest. if there is no there there, then let's appoint a special prosecutor to take a look at it. from mark preston, straight to you. you hear both sides perfectly sort of outlined.
right? my question to you is, at the end of the day, seems to me it is a perception problem and this has been something that has dogged hillary clinton. we've all seen her numbers on trustworthiness and honesty. my question to you is if i'm channeled the voters in this country, is the thought -- is this a window in how hillary clinton would govern depending on who you believe? >> let me take a step back. i'm not sure it isness cheryl a window but it does go to the idea a lot of people find frustrating with the clintons the old adage do as i say, not as i do. the idea that we can play by different rules than what are supposed to govern the rest of society, so to speak. that doesn't take anything away from what the clinton foundation has done for people all around the world, including here in the united states. but it does bring up this question of is there a special set of rules for the clintons, do they try to follow a special set of rules that others cannot do. i would say this. strategically i would say that
this is probably one of the best weeks for the trump campaign in the sense that they, by and large, have been able to stay on message and have continued to hammer home this idea. it has stayed in the news. donald trump was supposed to give a big speech on immigration. they canceled it. smart move. >> that's right. look at what we're talking about. look what we may even be talking about tomorrow. guy, mark preston says the criticism has been that the clintons have a special set of rules. i know you will tell me that's absolutely false. but how do you -- the easy question is, well, why don't you shut it down? then we won't talk about it? >> actually, there is an easy answer to the first charge. actually, they follow the exact same rules. that's why the first president bush's foundation continued to raise money while his son was president of the united states. did democrats call for an inquiry? was there a special prosecutor? was there a congressional investigation? no. so in fact, the new set of rules is trying to be applied to hillary clinton. and in fact the clinton
foundation has laid out a methodical plan to close down many of the activities of the foundation to move them to allied organizations who are going to continue to do them good work around the country and around the world. >> why not just do it today, guy? >> well, because there are millions of lives at stake. there are thousands of projects around the world and it is not as simple as shutting things down. there are programs that they need to shift to other organizations, funding they need to provide to those organizations. i think it is completely acceptable that they would toe two to three months to slowly make sure that those programs are being handled in the appropriate way. this is a non-story. i think the most important thing that you keep hearing from the other guests is -- appearance. appearance. what we don't hear are facts. because the facts show, over and over again, that the clinton foundation did good work, that there was no conflict of interest -- >> i don't think anyone is denying that. but when you think of -- if you were just to walk down the street, guy, and you were to ask
someone what does the clinton foundation do, i would bet my bottom dollar is what they don't totally know. what they know is what they're reading and what trump is jumping on, rightfully or wrongfully, that it is about appearance and they think for a second, hm, is it shady? should i vote for him? >> sure. well, the reason they don't know is because the associated press is focused on her meeting with melinda gates and not the work they've been doing for the past years. >> he's not talk being immigration, but i want to talk immigration because he made news last night, "he" being mr. trump, on immigration news at a town hall. ep said that he would soften his stance on immigration. we are just about to labor day and he is talking about softening stances. first of all, how might he do that, and secondly, isn't it a little late? >> i think he's been crystal
clear throughout the entire primary process, in terms of building a wall and deporting illegal immigrants. that's what got him through the primary and got him elected without a doubt. he had tremendous support for that. >> but what if he changes and what about that support? >> well, that's the question. this is a difficult road they're going to have. we knew once he got the nom naegs he would have to appeal to a broader electorate, not just hard core conservatives who like what he has to say. he has to appeal to a broader electorate and on this issue, the cornerstone of this issue in his campaign, immigration, he has to do in a way where he can continue to maintain the base but appeal to the broader electorate. it is going to be a difficult row to hoe but if he is successful he will be able to appeal to people that he must have, absolutely must have, in order to be successful in the general election. that's going to be a difficult battle but we all knew he was going to have to broaden his appeal at this stage of the game. >> mark, what do you think?
do you think if he softens his stance, you think that's going to alienate his ardent supporters and change the game? >> let me give three different answers that all come back to the same conclusion. right? the first is it hasn't hurt him so far that he has been a flip-flopper on issues. certainly hasn't hurt him with his supporters. at this late stage of the game, there is nowhere else for those har-line anti-immigration folks to go to. so they're going to stay with limb. it does broaden his appeal, however, to republicans who are still concerned about his candidacy as well as those independents who have yet to make up their mind who they are grog choose. to alice's point, let me button it up when she says of course he has to broaden his appeal and they knew he was going to have to do that. donald trump has become everything he's attacked in this campaign and that's a politician. he seas oays one thing one day,
broadens it out to get the electorate. that's the definition of a po politici politician. >> i think the fact that donald trump would be willing to insult and demean millions of hispanics before the nomination only to have to show a way to appeal to them afterwards shows an inhi t inherent of the whole community. donald trump is in favor of building a wall, he's in favor of making mexico pay for it and deporting millions of mexicans. for that reason he should never be president of the united states. >> thank you all. coming up, we are watching this breaking story here out of kabul, afghanistan. reports of explosions and gunfire at this american university. you will hear from a freelance reporter who has contact with people still trapped inside. we have an update for you on the ongoing situation there. also out of italy, aftershocks still rippling through these communities after this devastating earthquake hit
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kidnapped on campus at their car. one was an american. i talked last hour to a freelance journalist who explained to me how this attack is really symbol ic regarding te future of afghanistan. >> unfortunately, this has been very personal for many of us. i have had my cousins, my relatives and my friends have been stuck inside classrooms since the attack happened. as we speak afghan special forces from the crisis response unit, an elite special forces unit specifically trained to fight attacks like this, is on the ground. we understand close to 140 students have managed to escape for their lives. some of them jumping over walls. others have just gone into people's homes in west kabul. one of my family members who was there told me that the attackers had maps, they were drinking red bulls clearly aimed at staying for as long as they could. and that some of them were tossing hand grenades.
now it is important to mention that ever since the leader of the pakistan-based militant group has taken over as the number two for the taliban leadership, running the war for the taliban, we have had very lethal and deadly attacks in kabul. whether that's huge truck bombs or an attack like this. but what is very clear, that this is an attack on afghanistan's future. the american university of afghanistan is as symbol of american/afghan friendship, saying we are here to help you, we are here to help train your future generations. >> our thanks to that journalist in kabul and also bob baer last hou hour. meantime, hope still remains that there are survivors still trapped in the rubble. but at least 120 people are confirmed dead in italy.
you see rescue crews here and volunteers as well using every tool they can to try to find and pull people from these flattened buildings. one woman explained she woke up in the early morning hours to her bed shaking and to screams next door. >> in the town of amatrice, one of the hardest-hit areas, this clock tower frozen at the exact moment the earthquake hit, 3:36 a.m. let's go to atika shubert in saletta near the epicenter. atika, i know it is just about 9:30 your time. are rescue efforts still under way? do they believe people could
still be trapped? >> reporter: well, search and rescue is still under way to an extent with being although many here believe that is now going to become a recovery operation. this is a very small area, only a mile away from amatrice, but there's nothing left. this house is pancaked. on the heel there is where the center of this tiny village was. there were ten homes there. only two now remain standing. when we arrived, there were search and rescue teams there hoping to pull survivors out. unfortunately, both of the people they reached had died. we do understand that another person is still believed to be there. he is also believed to have died. the family is actually waiting there camped out. they don't want to find a camp, they don't want to sleep. they just want to stay there
until they find out what happened to their relatives. >> i'm sure there are so many families in similar situations. have you felt, atika, any aftershocks? are there worries about landslides given the mountainous region? >> absolutely. in fact, many of these houses are sort of built into the hillside here. what we see is not only that they collapse, but that the rubble kind of slid down the hill as well. we did feel a very significant aftershock shortly after we arrived. there is a house, it is too dark to see at the moment, but it is almost split in two. as an aftershock hit, it just sort of crumbled a little bit more. so i think there are quite a few buildings here that are in further danger of collapsing. they sort of fenced off the area to make sure that nobody gets any closer to these buildings. so it is still a very volatile situation. as you can imagine, really traumatic for survivors who already felt this at 3:00 in the morning and now continue to feel these aftershocks. >> i can't imagine actually.
atika shubert, we'll stay in close contact. thank you so much in italy for us. meantime, hours from now, apple ceo tim cook will host a high-dollar fund-raiser for hillary clinton just a day after she hopped into a photo booth with jessica beale and justin timberlake. the clinton clan is making a huge fund-raising push for former mitt romney cloners. as in republicans. will they bite? we'll discuss coming up. ♪ when you think of saving money, what comes to mind? your next getaway? connecting with family and friends? a big night out? or maybe your everyday shopping. whatever it is, aarp member advantages can help save you time and money along the way. so when you get there, you can enjoy it all the more. for less. surround yourself with savings at aarpadvantages.com
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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. . and the ceo will host a fund-raiser tonight for hillary clinton in silicon valley. each person attending is asked to contribute $50,000 each. there was a photo from a fund-raiser, justin timberlake and his wife jessica beale. behind the scenes, hillary clinton and her campaign are reportedly also trying to woo mitt romney donors to her team as well. let's talk to ryan williams, a former spokesman for governor romney. governors both romney and sununu. ryan, let me just ask you first. you understand you saw romney
just two weeks ago at a fund-raiser for -- in new hampshire for kelly ayotte. we know that he's been quite outspoken on his thoughts on trump. he would never write hillary clinton a check, woe? >> no, i don't think so. governor romney's made it very clear he does not like hillary clinton, does not think she'd be a good president. doesn't think trump would be either. i think the governor's focus is now on helping down-ballot races, candidates running for senate, congress, help get them elected this fall. >> but, what about his donors? >> well, i think there are some donors that are supporting clinton. people like meg whitman and others. i think that's a small number. but i think that a lot of some of the big donors are unhappy with trump right now. they' they're probably just going to stay out of it in general but some are so appalled by what trump has done i think they'll go with clinton. i don't think you will find too many of them, but there will be
a handful. >> john, fair to call you an unhappy republican this voting cycle is it. >> i think like many republicans, millions, frankly, around the country, who cannot support mr. trump, there is a bit of this feeling of being lost in the wilderness. many of the people that we talk to and that have reached out to us over the last few weeks are going through this journey of how they could potentially vote for secretary clinton. that's a unique place for many of these republicans. >> it is interesting you use the word "journey," like this is some sort of deep-seeded sort of psychological arc in which you've finally arrived at this place. you've now co-founded this group. since we don't have a trump supporter, let me just say this. you have mr. -- you have kellyanne conway, who is loved and respected by many republicans, she's campaign manager. he has talk about regrets in the last week. he says he is now really working to woo both african-american and hispanic voters.
softening his stance on immigration. is there anything that i'm saying that might change your mind, john? >> no, absolutely not. i think trump has demonstrated throughout the course of this campaign cycle, throughout the course of his life that he does not have the temperament, the patience or the judgment to be president of the united states. it's clear that secretary clinton is a better option. i cannot agree more with the previous comment that republicans i think who are going to raise money for secretary clinton are few and far between. what we are instructing people to do in the conversations that we are having about about how to support down-ballot senators and representatives who are currently at risk. if republicans really want to get engaged in this election, "the new york times" has it at 60% chance now the republicans will lose the sflat. senate. it is time for republicans to rally around strong leaders in the senate, rob portman, marco rubio, kelly ayotte, senator
mccain, being others who are going to be more critical than ever in a clinton administration if that's what we are looking at in november 2016. >> final question, ryan. you mentioned meg whitman a second ago. how many meg whitmans -- a dear friend of governor romney's. how many meg whitmans do you think will say, "i'm with lerhe" >> i think a few will but i think the vast majority will stay on the sidelines and focus on down-ballot races. this is a plaroblem of trump's n making. he hasn't acted like a presidential candidate who deserves their support. they'll probably sit it out and see what happens and hopefully we can direct their resources down ballot to save our majorities in the house and senate. >> do you think it is a smart tactic, that trump didn't reach out after the fact, that now the clinton campaign is reaching out to the romney donors. smart? >> yeah, i think it is very
start. it is a good news story every time a major romney donors flips to them. just shows trump has not consolidated the base of his own party and he is having a hard time in this race. >> ryan williams and john stubbs, thank you both. a ramping up in the city of mosul in what is expected to be a fierce battle to take it back. but the fighting is also expected to send a wave of new refugees into already-overwhelmed camps. more of arwa damon's reporting coming up.
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ally takes its fight against isis across the border in to northern syria. turkish tanks rolled in today to clear the terror group from a syrian border town but there is also battling kurdish fighters who are u.s. allies in the fight against isis in syria. isis' most significant stronghold outside syria is in mosul where the iraqi army has concentrated its efforts to drive out this terror group. but the human toll on a nearby refugee camp is catastrophic. our senior international correspondent arwa damon tells their story. >> reporter: the desert winds whip across the field. the heat is thick, suffocating, and the sand sticks to everything. children's matted hair is shaded lighter than it should be, their cases caked in dirt even if there was water.
>> a mother and her baby we met a short while ago is one of the cases that's really struggling here. >> reporter: this baby is 9 months old. he has diarrhea, is dehydrated and listless. his mother tells us. the only drinking water they have from a. >> caller: is making everyone sick. it's been more than a month since they got here after walking for hours. this woman clutches a photo of her dead son killed by isis two years ago for being in the iraq special forces. >> translator: he's dead and they took everything. they left me. this is the martyr's daughter. >> reporter: people are thirsty. unbearable, especially for the children in this heat. food is lentils and booeans twi a day. there have been promises that international organizations were coming. the iraqi government would be helping. but this attempt to preposition
shelter and humanitarian aid is providing no relief. as the front lines move toward mosul, people are making a run for their lives along different points. this group, three sisters-in-law and other male relatives, saw the opportunity when the kurdish peshmerga pushed forward. there are very, very few details that they are willing to disclose publicly because of the shear risk involved with their family members who are still inside. but there is a potentially very joyous moment here because two of these women were pregnant when isis arrived and had to plea. very authoritily the children are about to meet their fathers for the first time. they do not want us to film that. >> we are not able to provide
them with the kind of services they need because we simply don't have the land. >> reporter: then there is the issue of funding. $284 million was allocated during a flash appeal last month but the money has not yet been released. already established camps have exceeded their maximum capacity. this camp in iraqi kurdistan has mushroomed to five times the size it was in may. even with the expansions under construction here, it is barely enough for the current backlog and the offensive has not yet begun in mosul itself. >> we have a rough estimate. it can be anywhere between 1 million and up to 1.5 million people coming out of the corridor from mosul. we're incredibly concerned and trying our best to deal with what might be the humanitarian catastrophe of the century. >> reporter: a catastrophe because we know this is coming. and preparing for the humanitarian disaster in the making should be as big a priority as preparing for the battle itself.
arwa damon, cnn, iraq. >> arwa, thank you. we'll have more from her tomorrow. next, i will be joined live by 2 of those 3 american heroes who stopped a terrorist on a train from amsterdam to paris. remember this? one year later, their new book about that harrowing day has just been released. they will join me live next.
three americans who just wanted to have a little fun in europe became instant heroes when they stopped a terror attack on a train bound for paris. long-time friends spencer stone, anthony sadler and alex scarlatos were just three guys on vacation when gunshot erupted on their train. they took on a heavily armed attacker and helped stop a massacre. president obama ultimately honored these men and they have now written a book recounting on what happened on that train. anthony sadler and spencer stone join me now. alec isn't here, right.
is he in sniper school? >> yeah. >> so good for him. he is with us in spirit. nice to meet you all. >> nice to meet you. >> finally. i've read so much about you both. none of you all had really spent time in europe. you think you are going off for this mega vacation. and then suddenly you're on this train. first of all, you go back to what? middle school zp. >>. >> yeah. about 12 years old. >> you're on a train. you two are napping. alec yells, "get him." right? >> train employee sprinted by us. that commotion kind of woke us up. once awake we naturally turned to see what he was sprinting away from. we see a gunman enter the car with an ak-47. spencer yelled "get him." >> you said you were unfazed
with you b, but do you still feel it? do you feel the fear? >> it's been a while. it definitely comes into our mind at least once a day. that was one of the questions i asked another doctor i work with. i said when am i going to stop thinking about it. ep said in the first year you'll think about it every day. because he was a medic in vietnam. he's seen and done a lot. he said eventually it will start to fade out of your memory but it will definitely be something that's always stuck with you. >> once this sort of happens, you see the ak-47. he's got box cutters and you guys get cut up. >> yeah. spencer got cut twice on his neck. >> then what happened? >> he basically secured -- we beat him up a little bit. spencer was able to secure the choke hold and he eventually passed out. then the fourth passenger, chris norman, came up with next thck and he helped us hog tie him. after that it was pretty much neutralized. >> what was happening on train?
were people realizing what was happening? >> people when it first started happening everyone was in shock. even we were for a split second. luckily we quickly snapped out of it. and they -- it just kind of got to the side a little bit. but mainly because there wasn't room for anyone else to do in anything. it was crowded with us three on the guy. after that everybody else started to chip in. they were getting medical kits. someone hit the emergency stop for the train, and we got the train going again. initially everyone was in shock. obviously you're not thinking that will happen? >> how which does change your situational awareness. i was in nice when the man mowed over all of the people with the
truck. is this something you think about? >> yes, we were in europe, france, for both of those attacks during that time. and i think it is something as americans this day and age, we just have to be aware traveling aprod. terrorism is always in the back of our minds and if is just something that you should always be aware of. >> nowadays with this stuff going on. there is no designated battle zone. every average citizen can step up any moment. don't let it rule your life, just keep moving forward. just get prepared if something will happen and you have a plan. >> you never know if you sit there and cower or if you get up and act. you acted. you met the president, kobe, clint eastwood, what has been the wildest piece of this
unanticipated experience for you? >> just doing all of these things. i'm a huge kobe bryant fan, i enjoyed that a lot. he didn't have to give us as much time as he did. and he just talk to us for hours and growing up watching him for hours, it was so great for me. >> kobe was definitely, i told him it was number one another the time, but thinking back on it i think the best thing for me was bringing my family along for a lot of the experiences. when it first happened we were coming over on a plane to new york city, and i realized it was the first time we were on all the plane as a family, and we got to do cool stuff. >> your story is incredible. the book is "the 15-17 to paris." thank you so much. we appreciate it. three american heros. coming up next, hillary clinton
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clinton, i know it is worth noticing. they're busy raising money, rallying crowds, buy that is a change from earlier in the year. but lately, at least since july, trump has not done any interviews except on fox news. hillary clinton has done very few interviews this month and not had a full-blown bless conference since the end of december last year. so i was suggesting these candidates, they have a similar allergy. there is the count up clock from the washington post. i was wrong.
both of these candidates are avoiding the press. >> why? what is the response from the campaigns? >> the campaign can sit on their lead right now. they don't want to miss up a good thing. politically it makes sense, journalistically it doesn't. she should address, and in regards to donald trump, journalists have hundreds of questions to ask. so it will be really curious to see if they will change their strategies in the weeks to come and open up and start to give more interviews. i talked to stewart stevens, he said right now trump is driving around in circles in a cul-de-sac. he is only appealing to people that already bought his product. so we'll see if clinton and trump do that in the weeks to
come. >> we would take either of them at any point in time. brian, thank you so much. thank you all for being with me here, i'm brook baldwin in new york. "the lead" starts now. thank you, brand new polls out in just a moment, "the lead" starts now. two battleground states with deep routes possibly flipping. 120 killed, dozens buried. one mayor saying his town is no more. we're live at the sight of the devastating earthquake. and why are life saving epipens soaring in price and what happens to the