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there will be a price to pay. we are going to renegotiate the horrible nafta trade deal, probably the worst deal ever made in terms of trade. >> it is the top of the hour. you're watching "cnn tonight," and we're listening to donald trump giving a campaign speech in everett, washington. also on the heels of finding out that he's going to be meeting with the mexican president tomorrow, giving his immigration speech here in arizona tomorrow. again, donald trump speaking, making an appeal to african-americans specifically right now. let's listen in.
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>> thank you. the destruction that nafta started will be finished off if the trans-pacific partnership is approved. it is a disaster, a disaster for our country, a disaster for our workers. we won't let it happen. we cannot let it happen. [ crowd chanting ] these are very, very quiet protesters, i will say. i will say one thing.
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when bernie sanders had his protesters out, they had a lot more energy. they really did. much better. they were much better. they felt it a little bit deeper in the heart. but that's just the beginning of what we're going to do for the american worker. on taxes, we're going to provide massive tax relief to all working people and lower the tax rate on small business from 35% to 15%. [ cheers and applause ] low and middle income parents will also be able to fully deduct the average cost of child care from their taxes, a very important thing. on horrible, horrible regulations, which are taking over our country, i'm going to
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direct every agency and department head in my government to identify all needless and job killing regulations, and they will be removed. we will have a temporary moratorium on new regulations to allow our economy to grow. i mean, our economy is a disaster. to allow our economy to grow. economic growth for last quarter has been revised downward to 1.1%, a number that you can't even imagine. just so you know, if china goes to 7% or 8%, it's almost like a national catastrophe and what they do is they devalue their currency, they do lots of other things and they suck more blood out of our country, and we allow
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them to do it, folks, and they get back on track, and we keep going down. not any longer. and believe me, we have the cards, they don't. we have the cards. we have all the cards. meanwhile, our trade deficit in goods with the world is now nearly $800 billion. think of that. almost $800 billion trade deficit for the year. you really say to yourself, who negotiates these deals? i know. i know. political hacks and politicians negotiate them. no longer. we will further bring back our jobs by unleashing an american energy revolution lifting restrictions on oil and coal and natural gas and all sources of american energy.
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this will create millions of jobs and lower the price of energy and your electric bill and every other bill for the american household. we are also going to secure our border and stop the drugs from pouring in and destroying our country. >> okay, donald trump speaking tonight in everett, washington, talking about what he's going to do tomorrow and lay out his immigration plan. just now saying securing the border. of course he's going to be talking about -- >> in arizona tomorrow night, big speech on immigration, we'll be talking about that, arizona, tomorrow night. >> let's listen for a second. >> the seattle area recently experienced the largest number
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of heroin-related deaths. think of it. in 20 years. the largest number in 20 years. >> donald trump saying he's going to give his speech tomorrow in arizona but before that he's going to meet with mexican president. pretty big deal that he is announcing going to meet with the president. back with me now, he just mentioned that as we were coming out. wanted to make sure we got all of it. this is a pretty big deal. give us some context. >> huge deal. he is now controlling the narrative of the campaign again, the narrative is back in donald trump's court. down to mexico.big leap by doing there is some peril in it but i think for his supporters, it is going to help fuel them to look at donald trump take -- his willingness to cross a border and meet face to face with somebody who he says is going to help pay for a wall at the same time that that president says that that's not going to happen. so, this is a huge development. we're 70 days out right now. it's unprecedented. i don't think we've ever seen this, certainly in our lifetime, and donald trump is now, again,
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controlling the narrative. >> and lonnie, he said this is -- many people think that -- mark said this is a very smart move but it's a risky move as well. >> foreign trips are always kind of filled with potential potholes and that's why they're usually planned over the course of months, that's why you usually script them very carefully, make sure that whatever the foreign leader is going to say is consistent with your message but none of this is how donald trump has run his campaign so far so we shouldn't be surprised that he's stepping out and doing this and part of it is to address what some perceive as the commander in chief deficit, to go out and say, i can meet with foreign leaders, we can have this conversation. >> corey lewandowski, you say to me usually trips like this are planned much more far in advance than this. there may have been some talk about it but this is a shift. i know you're the former campaign manager but this is a shift in the way this campaign is being run and again, as mark said, this is an enormous deal that he's doing this. >> well, it is, obviously, and to your point, any time you have the opportunity as a candidate for the presidency to meet with
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a foreign leader, it shows your gravitas, your ability to work across the aisle and across the political world that if you're elected president, you're going to have those relationships in place. obviously, the relationship with mexico is a trading partner is very important. we understand that. donald trump has made it paramount in this campaign to renegotiate nafta to build a wall on the mexican border to prevent illegals from coming across the southern border so as he looks forward to the next 70 days and the election ten weeks from tonight, what he's doing is setting the ground work for a long relationship with the mexican president so he'll have that relationship in place. >> at least we know that that's what he's hoping. i think the challenges are that his rhetoric hasn't matched some diplomatic effort, reaching across the border to the mexican president, desiring some type of strong partnership. in fact, it flies in the face of that. the way that trump campaign has even talked about undocumented people, calling them illegals, calling them, even worse, drug
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dealers and rapists and also a part of the problem. i think one of the things that corey mentioned earlier about the four things that donald trump will say during the speech tomorrow, you talked about the felons and the convicts and the number of people that -- constant talking point in the campaign, the number of people who have been released. we forget, often, in this country, that immigration is a civil issue, not a criminal issue. and so the people who have been released from ice detention are people who have served their time, they're on parole, they have -- they paid their dues, they've paid their debt to society. and i think it flies in the face of another thing where republicans struggle and that is felon disenfranchisement even at the polls so dealing with people as, once a criminal, always a criminal and get them out of there even though they've served their time. >> to be fair, he said if you are a convicted felon and you're here illegally t day i am sworn in as president of the united states, you will be shipped back to the country that you're from so if you are convicted of murder like those people who are in the country illegally, that ends. you are no longer being interned in a u.s. prison system.
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your going to be sent back to your country, and that's the way it's going to work. >> let's bring in ryan in the new yorker, a columnist for the new yorker. ryan, my question is, mark preston said this is a -- donald trump is controlling the narrative, this is the way his campaign is being run now. does it matter who gets there first? is this a misstep for the clinton campaign and a good one for the trump campaign? >> i think whether it's good for the trump campaign depends on the outcome, right? i mean, he has basically turned the president of mexico into an adversary. he has said that this guy is good -- that enrique pena nieto is going to pay for our border wall, right? and he's going go down there and i think most observers are going to wonder, after the meeting, well, what did he get out of the meeting? this isn't just a traditional meeting with a traditional ally where you kind of shake hands and say hello and have a cup of tea. this is donald trump going to the person who he has made a
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core campaign promise of, saying that this person in his country is going to pay for a wall that's going to cost tens of billions of dollars, and he's going to do it by seizing remittances that mexicans send back to their country or increasing tariffs on mexican goods. well, the press is going to ask the president of mexico, so, what do you think of this border wall idea? are you willing to pay for it? the president of mexico right now has an approval rating in the low 20s. donald trump is not a popular person in mexico for obvious reasons. do you think that the president of mexico, tomorrow, is going to miss an opportunity to confront donald trump when he's dealing with scandals at home and low popularity? so, i mean, you know, maybe donald trump is a secret genius and this is a very smart trip, but it seems like it has high, high risk involved here. on the other hand, getting into a fight with the president of mexico might not be the worst
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thing for donald trump. >> that's where i'm going. so, let me pose this to the panel, to you and the panel. i want to get this out and this is the statement from the mexican president, says last friday, the president sent invitations to both candidates, which were well received by both of the team campaigns. there's no confrontations in the meetings at this point. so this is the mexican president. now donald trump has confirmed that he is going. why would he send this? why would he send invitations to both candidates if, indeed, you know, he's got low, you know, he's got a low approval rating. >> well, he has his own issues back home so if you're a leader, and you're trying to get your approval rating up, you certainly want to show your voters, your constituents, that you're working across the border to try to make your country better so it's actually a very smart move, i think, on the mexican president's part to extend the invitation. you know, what's worth noting, though, is that mexican citizens don't vote in this election. u.s. citizens do.
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so, even when donald trump goes down there, if he does come back and the mexican president says, you know, the meeting was a joke, and we'll never pay for the wall, donald trump could perhaps turn that around and be rah, rah, rah, you know, america, america first, america first, and that could potentially help his campaign. >> i need to get to phil mattingly quickly. phil was there at this rally. donald trump still speaking. rousing applause. there were a couple of protesters there. how is this message going over at this rally? >> he's been pretty consistent tonight, don. he mentioned, of course, the immigration speech. you played that a little bit but for the most part, it's been a very consistent, on message speech the type we've heard over the last couple weeks, staying very close to the prepared script that we got. i will say, don, over the course of the last 30 or 45 minutes, word did start to trickle out to the audience about the trip to mexico, a lot of raised eyebrows, lot of intrigue as to what it might mean going forward but i mentioned earlier, don, there is a lot of focus on what
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tomorrow night's speech will be about immigration, not a lot of focus on that tonight. but definitely looking forward, his supporters are very focused on what he'll have to say tomorrow in arizona. >> phil, thank you very much. just quickly, i was -- i had assumed this would be in lieu of the arizona announcement but he's going to do the announcement from arizona. >> that's right. he's still going to make the speech in arizona, talk about the four principles that he's talked about and what he's also going to do obviously is recap that speech that conversation that he had with the president of mexico at the time and that's going to give additional color and will continue to drive the narrative going into what is traditionally a quiet labor day weekend. all the news will be focused on donald trump. >> stick around. when we come right back, donald trump's trip south of the border tonight. it is a bold move, but will voters buy it?
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>> back now with your breaking news. there's donald trump speaking in washington tonight, announcing
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that he is going to meet with mexican president tomorrow, traveling to mexico and then later in the evening delivering his speech on immigration. so let's talk about that with my panel. mark preston, corey lewandowski, angela rye, ryan lizza and phil mattingly is at the rally this evening. fareed zakaria asked the mexican president about trump's wall. let's listen to it. >> donald trump's main policy proposal, the one he began his campaign with, is that he intends to build a wall between the united states and mexico along the border, and he intends to get mexico to pay for it. >> there is a way to help mexico pay the wall, but any decisions inside the united states is a decision of its government. >> but under no circumstances would mexico pay for that wall? >> there is no way that mexico can pay a wall like that. >> no way. >> it was interesting how he said that.
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there's no way that mexico can pay for a wall like that. you know, almost leaving the door open that could there be some kind of negotiation on some kind of immigration discussion with donald trump if donald trump were elected president. what else is interesting, too, is that this discussion tomorrow is obviously to be a fly on the wall would be amazing, right? you know, for this discussion. but this president of mexico also compared to donald trump to mussolini and hitler back in the -- in a mexican newspaper back in the spring. so as much as we focus on donald trump, you know, throwing derogatory terms at the mexican president or at mexicans, they've thrown it back at him. >> are we in store for a possible show down tomorrow? >> i think knowing donald trump the way i do, i think when he has an opportunity to meet with someone on a one on one basis, he's very engaging and i think he wants to understand firsthand
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what the mexican government's priorities are because what you're going to see in arizona tomorrow is he's going to outline exactly what his all wall is going to look like and the priorities of his first hundred days of a trump administration and immigration reform is absolute first priority. he has never wavered from that. he wants to go down and have that conversation directly. >> so i think the one thing that we forget is that this wall attempt has happened before. there was a secure border or a secure border initiative under george w. bush. it wasn't the big beautiful wall with the nice door in it, but it was a combination hard infrastructure and electronic wall and it was an epic fail, so much so that the current president, barack obama, had to pull the project. so i just wonder, like, what legitimate basis a wall could even be built, never mind what the president offered, just like, from forget the talk points like logistically, how is this going to happen. what engineers has he talked to. there's been a cnn special or at least coverage on it and it came
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-- it can't happen. >> there have been a number of reports. >> cnn did a story on this of how the wall can be built. it's on there. shows it very candidly. they took the engineer, cnn went down did an expose of how a wall can be built. >> the story that was -- >> nice spin on it, corey, but not exactly. >> the traditional wall in the way that donald trump initially espoused or said that he was going to do it was not possible at all. number one. there are a number of ranch owners there that you have to unless he's going to do imminent domain with their properties, it is not a flat -- the topography, that wouldn't happen. happen so. now it's been revised that there would be an electronic wall, i guess, hearing the reality of it, trump campaign sort of said, how do we -- >> the interesting thing about it is that the immigration policy from the trump campaign has definitely changed and shift and had there have been elements of it that have evolved, so to speak, but wouldn't it be interesting if the goal here was to change how the campaign or
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how trump is going to deal with the 11 million people who are here ill illegally. wouldn't a meeting with the president of mexico be an interesting point from which to depart if there were to be some change in policy. to say, we had a great discussion and what we talked about is that in fact we need to deal with the 11 million people who are in the united states illegally in the following way, xyz, which is different from the deportation force that was proposed some months ago. >> ryan, you're -- >> are you kidding me? that would be like -- that would be like ronald reagan visiting moscow and coming back and saying, you know, they had some ideas over there about communism that i think we might want to try here in the united states. there's no way that donald trump is going to go get his immigration policy advice from the president of mexico. >> ryan, stranger things have happened. >> the point is that we have not discussed, you would think that people are, you know, flooding across the border every day when actually, it's showing people are going back the other way. >> look, illegal immigration has
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been flat or declining for years now. that's not -- it's not at peak levels the way it was ten years ago. and that's been a basic fact. i think just to get back to the discussion about whether the wall can be built or not, i think the consensus of people who have looked at this is that a wall stretching 2,000 miles along the u.s./mexican border is impossible to build. the last time a wall like that was built was a great wall in china, and it took hundreds of years and used slave labor. so, a wall like trump has described cannot be built. the people that he says are going to pay for it have said they're not going to pay for it. so, i think the danger of this trip is it puts a spotlight on those two facts, by him going and meeting with a president of mexico who has compared him to hitler and mussolini and has said that his policy can't happen, i just wonder what's going to happen in the morning when he leaves mexico when those two facts are highlighted and in
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the evening continues to say, oh, i'm still going to build that wall and mexico's going to pay for it even though the president disagrees with me on that. i think big danger here for him. >> i don't think you'll ever get anyone in the trump campaign or any of the surrogates or any supporters to agree that it is physically impossible to build a wall. >> with technology, on the point of the wall, with technology, with drones, i mean, there is a way to police the border. >> but technically, that's not a wall. >> that's not a wall. >> right. >> not a big beautiful wall. he said a big beautiful wall. >> but let me just queue off one thing lonnie said. if we look at the polls, ask donald trump noted we have great poll numbers today. right now, donald trump will lose the election, okay, today. if the election's held today, he does not win the election. he needs to change the narrative. he is now seizing the narrative. he could come out of mexico tomorrow, he could come out and say, we had a great discussion, and you know what, they are going to pay for the wall, they say they're not going to pay for a wall, but we had a great
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discussion and we're going to work this out. >> believe me. >> well, right. but i'm just saying that he does need -- he needs a game changer right now. to use an overused word. this could be the game changer for him. >> but he's a master of manipulating the narrative too, though, to your point, he can come out of the meeting, it could have been terrible, and he will still say just that way, he'll have tweets throwing shade at the mexican president. he will do that. >> it's not going to much matter what the mexican president says. there will be two versions of this. >> ryan go, ahead. >> i was just going to say, i mean, the question after the meeting will be, well, you have said that you are such a great negotiator, that you will change the mexicans' mind about this. well, what did you get? what promises did you get from the mexican president? and you know, i'd be really surprised if after this meeting the mexican president, who has popularity approval rating of 23%, came out publicly and
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endorsed anything to do with donald trump. i mean, it sounds like a trap to me that donald trump is going into a trap set by an unpopular president down there. >> that was the reason why i said to lonnie earlier and even to you, corey, that, you know, there is, you know, this could backfire considering the way it goes. >> of course. >> but what promises? do you think he'll get promises? here's the important thing >> look at the reuters tracking poll. that was released yesterday. 39.7% for hillary clinton, 39.1% for donald trump and what the reuters tracking poll shows yesterday. closer than hillary clinton thought it would be going into labor day, coming out of her very successful democratic convention. what this is, this is another reminder that donald trump is doubling down on his immigration plan. it keeps the base in place. it also goes and says, look, mexico is going to pay for it, i'm going to find a way, whether that's cutting foreign aid to mexico or whatever that may be. >> stand by. because i know mark, you mentioned that you were
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skeptical about it. what will mark preston say about the poll and it's a tracking poll, too, so that's different. stand by. we'll hear the responses on the other side after this break.
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we're back now with our breaking news, donald trump accepting an invitation to go to mexico city to meet privately with mexico's president. so much to discuss here. he was mentioning this is a national tracking poll that you're talking about, not battleground states where he says it is neck and neck, right? within the margin. so you were a little bit skeptical. >> i was showing my skeptical preston face. i mean, look, this race right now is no longer a national race, nor that it ever really was but at least our focus on the national part of it earlier on in the election at least gave us a narrative about what people were thinking. this has come down to pennsylvania, ohio, couple states out west, nevada, maybe colorado, that appears to be off the board, florida and north carolina, so if you look at where we are right now, donald trump is not going to win.
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so, it goes back today, today he doesn't win the election. so it goes back to changing the narrative. let me just give you a couple numbers that just shows you what he's up against right now when he's trying to reach out to black voters, trying to reach out to hispanic voters. barack obama won 95% of the black vote in 2008. barack obama won 93% of the black vote in 2012. mitt romney in 2012 lost the hispanic vote by 44 points. the closest republicans have ever gotten since 1980 was george w. bush, 2004, came within 18 points. so, when we're talking about donald trump giving a speech on immigration, reaching out to african-americans, reaching out to hispanics, it's really not so much that he's reaches out to them to try to have them come to him in droves, it is trying to get disaffected republicans to support him, to get the undecided white voters to vote for him and also to chip away a little bit at the margin of victory we'll see hillary clinton get from those subgroups.
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>> i believe he's trying to make a dent in black and brown communities, i think that is his only path if we're being honest, to victory. i know people will say that the electorate has changed but it's not changed in donald trump's favor. it's changed against him with black and brown voters, more black and brown voters being added to the polls, right? am i wrong on that? ryan lizza, you want to weigh in? >> couple points. one, the, look, never look at one national poll, right? you always want to look at the average of polls, and the average of polls right now, trump is down six points. that actually, though, that average has shown a little bit of tightening, gone from 8 or 9 point race to a 6 or 7 point race, so little, you know, hillary's bounce from the convention is dissipated just a little bit. but it's not a dead even race as that one poll suggests. and yeah, look, the demographics, republicans have known about this for a long time. the demographics and
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presidential politics are very much on the democrats' side. you know, romney got 27% of the hispanic vote in 2012. trump is polling at around 20%. and the hispanic vote will be a much larger part of the electorate this time. he has to improve those numbers. i think i agree with mark that a lot of his outreach to nonwhite communities is a little bit more at appealing to, you know, white college educated voters who are turned off because they think trump is intolerant to those communities. but you know, like to coin a phrase, what does he have to lose by trying to appeal to some of those communities he's, you know, he's getting 1% or 2% in the black community right now. >> he went on. the differences that i've noticed in the last couple days, instead of saying your communities are horrible, again, i'm paraphrasing, you're going to be shot and that sort of thing, he's now saying african-americans have made contributions to society as war heros and on and on. there are many parts of the -- big parts of the
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african-american community that is doing very well, but then he goes on. what do you have to say to what ryan -- >> well, look what ryan said is exactly right. donald trump is getting 22% of the hispanic vote right now in the latest poll, what you always see is the voter registration by party in the battleground state of florida has trended much better for the republicans right now. picked up about 300,000 new registrants over the democrats in a state that barack obama won by 75,000 votes in north carolina, say that mitt romney actually carried by 92,000 votes, republicans have made more gains in that state when it comes to party registration. that doesn't mean there isn't still a plurality of independents that are registered there. >> the numbers show more independents are registering. >> that has traditionally been the case. but if you look at pennsylvania, north carolina, and florida, three major states that are going to probably determine the outcome of this presidential election, republicans have done a good job in the last four years of registering more party people in those states than the
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democrats have. >> you've done this before. is that enough? >> i don't know that it's going to be enough. part of presumably, why we're having a discussion about immigration policy and part of reason there might be some kind of pivot or change on immigration policy is to make donald trump a more appealing candidate for general election. the challenge in doing that is you have all the things that he said previously, and my sense is that that stuff is going to be much more difficult to overcome, even if he is softening his view on what to do with the 11 million people who are here illegally now. previous statements are going to get in the way of making progress on that issue. >> much more difficult to overcome for people who have not -- the undecided and for the independents. >> for either. >> not for his base, because where else are they going to go. >> right. but that's the thing. i don't think his base really believes -- even if he were to say in a speech, we're going to do something different, i don't think that people who support donald trump really believe that he would do something different. i think they have read into him what they believe their preferred immigration policy is. and by the way, border security and you verified, those are republican standbys.
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those are things we've been talking about for decades. >> those are also a very crucial part of the senate bill that senate bill 744 that could not get passed in 2013. the gang of eight bill that marco rubio was bashed for and told he was an amnesty candidate as a result. >> go ahead, ryan. >> i was going to say, look, he's what he's learning is what everyone learns when they look at the immigration problem, the most vexing problem is what you do with -- how you treat the 11 million people who came here at one point in their life illegally. and you're basically either for, you know, at one time he called for the deportation force to get everyone out, or you're in -- you're in favor of some kind of -- even if it's an extremely severe kind -- of amnesty. there's really not -- it's really sort of black and white when you boil it down like that and i think trump's big mistake was he got pushed into talking
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about this deportation force in interviews when if you look at his website, it's really not there in his detailed policy plan on the trump website. but it's something that he brought up in a couple of interviews and it sort of defined the plan now, and that's the -- i think that's the box he's trying to escape from is the -- >> he's boxed himself in. but the interesting thing is -- i lost my train of thought here. when it comes to immigration, is that his plan is very similar to the plan that barack obama has now, except he's saying he's going to do it more energetically the way the plan is currently. so unless he makes a big pivot to add more things, it's kind of the plan that's already in place. >> these are the laws that are on the books. you heard earlier tonight donald trump jr. say we have to let ice do its job. well, ice is doing its job and you've complained that they're letting people on to the streets who have committed crimes. these again are people who have served their time so the laws
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that they want to enforce, again, are the things that the gang of eight were lifting up. they talked about border enforcement. these are all measures that were -- or pieces of the legislation that were voted on in the senate, passed the senate and couldn't get considered in the house. >> when we talk about people who are energized and motivated to go to the polls, does it matter that hillary clinton has more support from democrats in general and the democratic establishment than -- because donald trump does not have the bulk of republicans or does that matter at all? >> yes. >> it matters. mitt romney won 92% of the republican vote and donald trump can only win 75% of it, that's a significant percentage of people. so he needs the republican base to show up for him in the way that they have traditionally shown up. >> and we do talk about how he's softening his stance and he's a flip-flopper and what have you, but if you're a republican on the fence and you're seeing donald trump evolve on this issue, you're welcoming the evolution. >> speaking of republicans, and i want you guys to weigh in on this. we have some breaking news out
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of arizona tonight. here it is. cnn projects john mccain has won his arizona primary, a race that the senator called the fight of his political life. let's discuss. there's been some concern about this, mark weigh in first. >> well, first of all, obviously a big win for john mccain, somebody who constantly has to beat back the base of his own party in arizona, couple years ago, they censured him because they didn't think he was conservative enough. he's been very careful not to be critical of donald trump, at the same time donald trump said he wasn't a war hero, said he didn't do enough for the veterans. however, john mccain, the smart politician he is, takes a step back, doesn't weigh in, and says, listen, i'm going to back the nominee. >> let me ask you. you've got debbie wasserman schultz there. you've got marco rubio at least this the primary, and you have john mccain. this is all -- this is win -- these are wins for the establishment. is this a fore shadowing of what's going to happen or what
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could possibly happen with this election, that the establishment has the advantage here? >> my sense, don, is that these are candidates who know their states. that it's about john mccain understanding arizona, marco rubio working hard in florida. he's been in florida a lot the last couple weeks, he understands that state. that's really what this is about more than about the establishment striking back. i think this is really personalized. >> these are incumbents who, again, they had challengers who weren't necessarily super strong. i know marco rubio had a challenger who poured millions of dollars into the race but we saw that fly in the face of jeb bush. >> one thing on the mccain victory. i know from reporting on the mccain campaign recently that there was a debate in that campaign after the incident with the khan family and donald trump over whether mccain should retract his endorsements of donald trump. and the faction that won that debate was the faction that said, you're in a relatively tough primary, wait until your
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primary's over, don't rock the boat, stick with your position on mccain. >> you think that's going to change? >> i don't know if it will change. i don't think it looks so heroic if you do it now after the primary's over, but i do think that politically, if it's in his interest to do it going into the general election, that you might see more of these republicans doing it now that they're past their primaries. >> corey, last word. >> i think that's true. i think in the state of arizona, probably more so than any other state, the issue of illegal immigration really hits home and i think it would have been really difficult for john mccain to come out and go after donald trump in a primary where he was having, quotes, the fight of his life and then, you know, taking a contrarian position on such a hard line stance. >> everyone will agree john mccain is a war hero. the projected republican winner in the primary this evening. cnn just projecting that. thank you, everyone. appreciate it. when we come right back, more on donald trump's trip south of the border. will his base buy all of this? whatcha' doin?
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donald trump changing the campaign conversation tonight as only he can with the surprise announcement that he will meet
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with the president of mexico tomorrow. i want to bring in cnn political analyst kirsten powers who is a consultant for "usa today." welcome to -- >> contributor. >> contributor. what'd i say? contributor. >> it's late. >> yes, it is. thank you. big fan. welcome to cnn. >> i'm a huge fan. so nice to be here. >> what do you make of him announcing that he's going to meet with the mexican president? >> i think this will be good for him. it's something that's presidential. it's something hillary clinton has already done a lot of as secretary of state, going around meeting with world leaders but it's not something that donald trump normally does, so on that front, i think it will make him look presidential. now we have to see what happens in the meeting. so does the president of mexico and donald trump have the same readout from the meeting? we'll have to wait and see if they see things the same way. >> in the beginning, the panel earlier, people were saying, oh, it could be a set-up, it could be who knows, but then towards the end, i think everyone came to a consensus, like, what does he have to lose. >> he has nothing to lose. i think he should do it and i think, like i said, it's a great opportunity for him to look
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presidential. i'm sure that the president of mexico probably isn't going to see things quite the same way donald trump does. >> so, let's talk about the primaries. john mccain, marco rubio both winning their respective primaries. what do these results say about the effect on the down ballot races? >> well, i mean, both of these, i think, were expected. so, i don't know how much we can read into it in terms of how it's going to ultimately affect the down ballot races, though the expectation is that donald trump is going to be a drag on those races. and so i don't have any reason to believe that that has changed. the only thing that would change it is if somehow he turns around his approval rating numbers and can become more popular among the general electorate, sort of broaden out beyond his base. and not be scaring away more moderate voters and swing voters. >> what happens to folks like john mccain and marco rubio in the general election now? are they between a rock and a hard place? someone said that john mccain, you know, if he does come out
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now against trump, he's not going to look as heroic and if he doesn't, maybe it's smooth sailing, he'll sort of ride this through. >> i think there is a sense that as people get closer to election day, they will ultimately decide to cut their losses with donald trump, but the question with john mccain is has he been beaten up a lot in this primary, so how does that affect him in the general election. but look, i mean, he's an incumbent, been around for a long time, but having donald trump at the top of the ticket is going to be very difficult for people, especially people who are kind of keeping him as arm's length. >> let's talk about hillary clinton's e-mails. there's a drip, drip, drip now of hillary clinton's e-mails. seems to be something new every single day. do you think if this keeps up, it's going to be hard or harder for her to keep the momentum -- >> her biggest problem is her trust numbers and they really started to take a nose dive when we first found out that she had the server and these private
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e-mails. and so any time e-mails come into the conversation, any time there's any new revelation about e-mails or a new revelation that doesn't line up with what she's said before, i think it continues to reinforce this narrative with hillary clinton that she's not trustworthy. and that is absolutely hands down her biggest problem. >> should she cut ties with the clinton foundation, and how much should a candidate actually release about themselves, personal information, tax returns, on and on, more with kirsten wright on the other side of this break.
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back now with cnn political analyst kirsten powers. there is a response now from the clinton campaign, kirsten, that i want to get you to weigh in on, and this is in regards to donald trump meeting with the mexican president. it says, what ultimately matters is what donald trump says to voters in arizona, not mexico, and whether he remains committed to the splitting up of families and deportation of millions. is that accurate? >> i think that's definitely accurate. doesn't mean he can't meet with the president of mexico, and i think that he can -- you know, he's welcome to do that. but in terms of the election, the real question is, what is donald trump's policy, exactly? because it has been shifting so
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much in terms of whether or not he wants to, you know, essentially be deporting american families. >> speaking of the clinton campaign, "the new york times" editorial board called on hillary clinton to cut her ties with the foundation now. do you agree? >> you know, i think this is a tough one. ultimately, i think it's probably the best thing to do, because it's created too many problems for clinton in terms of her race. i think it's sad because the foundation does do so much good work and without the clintons attached to it, it's probably going to do less good work. but it has gotten to the point now where it's become such a liability for her, and there's just too many conflicts of interest. there were too many conflicts of interest, frankly, when she was secretary of state because of the crossover of the types of people that give to charities like this and have business with the u.s. governments. >> how much information should a candidate release? hillary clinton's refusing to
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release her transcripts, donald trump his tax returns, how much more should we hear from doctors? how much more shou how much should a campaign release? >> as a columnist, i want them to release everything, and i think -- and i think voters need to know as much as they possibly can. i think that there should be as much transparency as possible so that people are making informed decisions. if you're on a campaign, though, you're going to not want to release everything because things can be pored through and misinterpreted. take the doctor issue for example. what if we find out that somebody had some sort of illness in the past? what does it really tell us about the future? john mccain had multiple cancer and did it prove that he was going to die? not necessarily. he's alive. >> and do you know to know about someone, if their central tenet is how good a businessman they are, you want to know tax returns. >> yes, you would want to know that. >> thank you, kirsten. good to have you. that's it for us tonight. thank you for watching. good night.
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