tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN September 27, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
whether bit e-mails or documents. and wolf concern they could be authentic or even faked with enormous implications for the election campaign. >> jim sciutto. thank you very much. that's it for me. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next breaking news. donald trump about to take the stage, his first rally since facing off with hillary clinton, as he doubles down on attacking a beauty queen's weight. and hillary clinton says trump paid nothing in income taxes. is that true? and our body language expert with the victor. let's go "outfront." the breaking news. crump donald trump is about to take the stage in melbourne, florida.
lightning and bad weather delaying his rival a little bit. >> this is his first rival since last night's contentious debate with hillary clinton. trump today claiming victory on twitter but sounding more subdued in a town hall this afternoon. >> it was an interesting evening, certainly. and big league. definitely big league. >> the republican nominee also throwing around some blame. >> i had a problem with a microphone that didn't work. i don't know if you saw that in the room but my microphone was terrible. i think -- i wonder was it set up that way on purpose. >> meanwhile hillary clinton is sounding mighty pleased with her debate performance. >> did anybody see that debate last night? one down, two to go.
>> and trump is going to take the stage at any minute. i know there is a little bad weather. but going to take is it stage. all eyes on him, including ours. will he talk about the debate? >> yes erin we are expecting him to talk about the debate and where he may have missed a couple of opportunities to take hillary clinton to task. we're expecti ining him to go a her on e-mails, trade, foreign policy. but really the broader framework is he's going to come out and make the argument that she is the candidate of yesterday. he is the candidate of the future. he's going point out sthooes been in politics for nirt years and that only thing she has to point to is a failed record. the other thing to watch for tonight is we are expecting donald trump to come out here and in support for stop and frisk. and saying this is the kind of policy that could save african american and hispanic lyes.
and in new york it was ruled unconstitutional because it disproportionately targeted minorities. trump is not backing down. and like you said, we are still expecting trump any minute now although there is a little bit of thunder and lightning here in florida but we'll keep you posted. >> we'll be waiting for that any moment. the big question is what is the fall youft the debate from the two campaigns. brianna keilar is out front. >> hillary clinton all smiles after her first debate showdown with donald trump. >> did anybody see that debate last night? jabbing at her rival for his criticism that she was overprepared. >> he made it very clear that he didn't prepare for that debate. you know, at one point he was kind of digging me for spending time off the campaign trail to
get prepared. but just trying to keep track of everything he says took a lot of time and effort. >> i think it is real. >> i do -- >> science is real. >> i did -- >> and i think it is important that we. >> the clinton campaign thinks trump's constant interruptions won't go over well with women. >> the aflcio the other day. behind the blue screen. i don't know who you were talking to secretary clinton but you were totally out of control. i said there is a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> whew, okay. >> clinton also went after trump the former owner of the miss universe pageant for criticizing the weight of one winner. >> and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss
housekeeping because she was latino. donald, she has a name.
her name is alicia machado. >> where did you -- >> and she has become a u.s. citizen and you can bet she's going vote this november. >> okay. good. >> a trump spokesperson says machado's claims are unsubstantiated but trump refused to back down from his comments today. >> she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a problem. >> clinton's ardent support as the trans pacific partnership. >> you called it the gold standard. >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it is the finest deal you have ever seen. >> and then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were against it. >> well donald, i know you live in your own reality but that is not the facts. i did say i hoped it it would be a good deal. >> hillary clinton
of state never said her support was contingent on the final negotiation, on the final details that came out of that. she was actually as you will recall effusive as secretary of state for her support for that trade pact, talking about it in glowing terms dozens of times. >> and out front now david gergen. served as advisor to four presidents. mark preston. d dana bash. trump support jeffrey lord. and maeve reston. david, did last night change anyone's mind? >> we don't know yet. we'll have to wait and see the polls. but i'll tell you what did do is change the dynamics of the campaign. as much as we can argue about who won last night, there is no question that hillary clinton's team has taken control of this campaign today. he had a bad night last night.
he's had a terrible day after. i just want to read you on the "new york times" lead website tonight after saying what he did earlier this morning, attacked the moderator. said his microphone is not working. headlines. shamed and angry. and alicia machado mocked by donald trump. suburban women find little to like on donald trump's performance. the reverse gaslighting of the donald trump. i grant you that they have hardly been appreciative of crump in recent -- >> >> he has been out today sounding senior defensive. >> let me talk about the miss universe contestant. i'm reading now from the london daily mail. now two associative press reports have 1998 have revealed that machado was aided of
attempted murder and threats to kill in venezuela. the daily mail.com has asked the clinton campaign whether she knew about it etc. so her credibility is now in question. >> none of that is confirmed. but go ahead, finish your point. >> my point is, the whatever he called her there is hearsay. yes? >> -- >> let me finish my point. so if we're going to deal in that kind of hearsay, i would hope and i suspect the trump campaign would be on the ball with this gary burn, the secret service agent who wrote this book crisis of character and has chapter and verse about hillary clinton's temperament and her conduct as first lady. in other words, sauce for the goose is going to be sauce for the gander here. >> seriously. here -- hearsay aside. the fact of the matter is donald trump last night. first impressions matter.
>> he has by the way landed in florida. bad waertd but he's there and going to speaking momentarily. >> first impressions matter and for the number of people that saw last night, i don't know how many will see the second debate. but the fact of the matter he looked like he didn't know what he was talking about. he looked unprepared. unknowledgeable about public policy and how government works and that is a problem when you are running for president of the united states. she was prepared. she spoke to the american people and had specific policy descriptions for how she would move people to the mid class. she was presidential last night. that matters. >> what is the trump campaign? you have sources tellic me about what they are thinki right now. what do you hear? >> certainly a lot of things discussed of specific moments and the aftermath and aftershocks act last night. but i think the most telling are the conversations that you have privately with people who really, really like donald trump and wanted him to do well. and that is that they were incredibly disappointed, some
were frustrated. because, yes he did not have the formal training that -- and the debate camp that hillary clinton had with the mock debates and somebody playing her. but he was prepared. he was preparing. and he was given, you know, sort of cleaned, simple talking points for some of the big issues. they went over pivots, which apparently i'm told he does not like that term. but it is the way to get away from when hillary clinton is going after you to move to something that is more on offense towards her. and so the frustration is really palpable. the hope, i talked to one person who put it beautifully. is that donald trump is the kind of person who you can't say don't touch that stove. it is hot. you have to wait until he actually touches the stove until it hot and then he says oh i won't do it again.
>> i have to go back to the disagreement between david and jeffrey, who are good friends of ours. putting aside what jeffrey said she's accused of. that has nothing to do with donald trump saying that she was miss piggy and then doubling down on fox news that she got really fat. she got really overweight. >> and isn't that implicit admission that he said miss piggy. he didn't say i didn't say it. he came out the next morning and said she did get fat. >> two things. whatever her contract. you are supposed to do what the contract is. if she were in violation of her contract by putting on weight, i don't know if that is the case. but if that is the case that is a contract violation. but the larger point i want to make here is is -- wait wait wait. the important thing here is the audience out there. not us and folks like us and all of our friends that we know all over the place in washington
d.c. and elsewhere. but people in their living rooms watching this. the people who were thinking about the country. and for those people, i'm thinking that he scored a hit. when he talked to her and addressed her as a politician, who basically comes out. and all the things we think are an asset. she was poised this. that. that. there are a lot of people who are saying she's just more of the same and this is the problem. >> may have. >> i just found donald trump's strategy as doubling down totally baffling this morning. for him to not see that that's been the kind of behavior that's gotten him in trouble over and over again throughout the campaign and try to pivot away from it is just -- shows you sort of how stuck in his ways he is. and no matter what his advisors ask him to do, he just can't restrain himself. and by the way ux a lot of those comments about machado are on taip tape.
so people can look at the tape and judge for themselves. >> and waiting for donald trump to get off that plane. he's going to be speaking first rally since last night. going talk about the debate. and next, that and of course trump and clinton in their words coming back to haunt them. and did clinton bait trump into admits he didn't pay federal taxes or not. and the debate was nothing to sniff at, or was it? >> we wish you --. if you're searching other travel sites to find a better price...
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>> oh we are going win florida so big. going to be amazing. this is a movement like they have never seen before. never. last night was very exciting. and almost every single poll had us winning the debate against crooked hillary clinton big league. big league. she as crooked as they come. and i'll tell you why. check out. we put them out today. almost every poll. so that was an exciting evening for me, folks. that was an exciting evening. and it set the all time record for debates and maybe television, who knows. look at this crowd. look at this. this is amazing.
unbelievable. i'll tell you what. is there any place more fun or safer to be at than a trump rally? right? we're going take on the special interests, the lobbyists and the corrupt corporate media right back there. they are corrupt as you can get. you know, the single weapon that hillary clinton has -- i moean she couldn't even pass her bar exam in washington d.c. she failed it. the single weapon that she's got is the media.
without the mainstream media, she wouldn't even be here, folks. that i can tell you. she wouldn't even be here. she wouldn't have a chance. so we're going to create a new government that serves you, your family, and your country. and it is going to be the kind of government that you've been looking for for a long time. you know, i was in the plane. and i came in. and we said wow. but we do have these crowds elsewhere. but they said the fire marshal closed i us down. won't let 12,000 people. but then when i looked at this, i say now i understand. where is the fire marshal. fire marshal let them in, please. let them in. let em in fire marshal.
let them in. our country is filled with so many amazing people. people who lift us up and inspire us. and by the way i have one of them here. where is rudy giuliani. rudy? we love, rudy. look at him. look at him. he's a good man. we lost one great person in a heartbreaking accident on sunday. marlins pitcher jose fernandez, and he was some pitcher. he died at the age of 24. i just spoke to jeff, the owner
of the team who is heart broken. it is a huge loss for the state, for the entire sport of baseball and for all of the americans who were so inspired watching him play at 24, just about as good a pitcher as there ever was at that age. so we send our deepest condolences to his wife and family during this very painful time. our country also lost one of our truly great american icons. the king, the king, arnold palmer. >> that's donald trump there. ads we said first rally since last night's debate. dana, obviously he's referring to online polls there. cnn polls shows completely the opposite, that he lost the debate. but this is the donald trump that we all know. he'll come out and cite whatever he can find that shows he's doing well.
and that is what he does at these rallies. >> i was talking to someone close to him today who was noting that this is the donald trump where he is obviously in his comfort zone. he's feeding off the crowd. there are thousands of people there. he loves it. and it allows him to talk about this things he loves. the crowd size, the polls. whether or not they are accurate or not that is for a different story. and it is so not his comfort zone to be in the kind of arena where he was last night. where not only is it one on one but it is quiet. >> you said you were talking to someone who knows him and how did they describe him? >> like he was wandering through a wasteland last night because he didn't know where to go or what to do because it was so not his bag frankly. >> some speakers, especially like trump for whom the audience responses is what energizes him. and i can understand for him where it would be a jolt to walk
from this adoring crowd are that roars at everything he says and then a room that is like a library. and you wonder is there anyone listens. and that is one more reason to practice. >> and also jeffrey when you talk about next time. a town hall. it is going to be a controlled setting. but it is questioning from people. that could play hillary clinton extremely well. it also income is an opportunity to dry to get some interaction with people he feeds off of. >> it is a totally different environment. and i can think off hand in two of these events in presidential debate history. the one with al gore where he famously walked up on george bush who apparently had been expecting this and then turned around and laughed. and somebody asked a question and i forget the content and it required some degree of empathy. and clinton rose and went over
and stood right in front of the person and looked him right in the eye. it is a whole different things thap than 1257bding at two podiums and beating each other the head. >> and the political talent that bill has that his wife does not. i don't think that necessarily the 40% town hall setting favors either of them. because hillary clinton has had trouble showing the warmer side and donald trump thrive this is the much bigger crowds. >> i would tend to disagree. i've seen her in small settings. particularly church and others where she's done incredibly well. but the underlying point is that when donald trump, when he cannot control the moment he spins out of control. and he's used to not being in this position. debates are set up to people can prove that they can kbovrn. and he's used to being your boss and not being able to take the
criticism directly and openly that happens in a debate setting and that is one of the problems he spins out of control and becomes inchiernt. >> next, hillary clinton accusing trump of not paying federal income taxes. is it true or not? some answers. and what did hillary clinton say that seemed to get under trump's skin the most? the answer may surprise you. we went through tapes second by second. you will see it. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here.
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the debate going down as the most watched in american history so far. but as trump and clinton went after each other at times they stretched the truth and frankly lied. tom formen is out front. >> amid new fears of rising crime, a controversial police tactic worked its way into the debate. stopping people and frisking them for minor suspicions. donald trump all forfor it. >> worked very well in new york. it brought the crime rate way down. >> but clinton now the facts speak otherwise. crime kept declining even after the practice was largely
stopped. and murders down 18% from 1990 and clinton hit trump hard. >> stop skpl frisk was found to be unconstitutional. in part because it was in effective. >> and equilibrate waded into the keep waters at times too. in one point insisting he never flip-flopped over the transpacific trade deal. >> you said it is the finest deal you ever seen. >> she does not support it now. but listen to her back in 2012. >> this t.p.p. sets the gold standard of trade agreements to open, free, transparent fair trade. >> still trump trade from the facts more often. on iraq. >> i did not support the war in iraq. >> but listen in 2002. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yes i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> on women, clinton insisted
trump is -- >> someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. who has said women -- >> reporter: but he did in 2004. >> the fact is it is an inconvenience for a person that is running a business. >> and on climate change. >> donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. i think it is real. the seancience is real. >> there it is in 2012. >> global warming is created by and for the chinese. >> although trump took a worse beating from fact checkers following this debate. the question is how much does that matter? polls have consistently matter voters don't really trust either one of them. erin. >> thank you very much, tom. and another big issue when it came to the facts las night was
whether donald trump plays federal taxes. it all came after this exchange last night. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> all right. was that just an admission there. outfront speak. hillary clinton was wrong on one thing when she says trump pay nos federal taxes but we have no data to go on. all we know are there are eight years out there. they are very old. trump paid no federal taxes for five of them and he did in the're years.
this is decades ago. so the fact he didn't pay in some years opens up the door to clinton being completely right about his current situation, doesn't it? >> well as soon as you go down that rabbit hole like lester holt did last night, i think what donald trump should and could have done was say let's see the 33,000 e-mails but press that further. and that is what i would like to see. and and i would love to see a deal where donald trump cuts not just from the 33,000 e-mails from hillary but al the books for the clinton foundation which is the most politically sophisticated -- >> didn't he admit he didn't pay them. he says it is smart that i don't. that is the clear implication. >> and what i'm doing to go is what donald trump could have done is pivot right to the clinton foundation, the clinton global initiative and all of the o corruption of the most -- >> but this is not the debate. so --
>> -- [inaudible]. >> the bottom line is -- you are e saying it is okay he didn't answer the question -- peter. peter. i don't want to talk about those things. i want to talk about the taxes. that is -- [inaudible] >> lester holt wants to take him down that rabbit hole. this is the way you go. >> we're not talk tag clinton foundation. we're talking about trump's deeply unsatisfactory answer to taxes. >> you are talking about the taxes. >> that is why i invited you here to talk about was the taxes and economy. i don't want to be the one to argue with you. let me let austin take on his role and responsibility in this discussion. austin, what's your take on it? >> look, i have two takes. one, you saw donald trump em floi same tactics that peter's employing right now. he interrupted hillary clinton 26 times in the first 25 minutes. usually the reason you do that is you lack the content of
something to say. hillary clinton has released decades of her tax returns, as have all candidates running for president in modern presidential history. >> how about -- >> and yet you hear peter interrupting again what about the e-mails? what about the foundation -- [ inaudible ] >> hold on, peter. settle down. >> peter it is not a quid pro quo. we're talking about taxes right now. -- >> the donald trump school of interrupting and making funny faces. >> -- peter hold on. hold on peter. >> hold on peter. you got to hold on. we ask our politicians to be accountable because we want to know that they don't have conflicts of interest that they don't engage in irs tax wrong doing like the trump -- >> -- accountable and you have
secretary of state hillary clinton in the most sophisticated pay for play scandal in american history -- >> -- wrong doing, that's why he should turn over his tax returns. >> -- i love this austin. you have to most corrupt politician and her husband running around taking money all over the globe and then running appointments in the state department, pay to play and you are sitting on your high horse -- >> let me ask you. clinton suggested trump is not releasing his taxes because he's not as rich as he claims to be. or charitable or doesn't pay his taxes. i remember when harry reed said mitt romney didn't pay his taxes. it was not true. is it fair to raise these kind of questions if she doesn't have proof? >> you're asking me? i don't think so. i think what the american people want -- >> i was asking u.s. austin. >> i think if there were no proof it would not be fair.
the fact we have multiple tax returns from donald trump's past in which he paid no taxes that makes that a completely legitimate thing to ask. the fact his foundation has been found guilty of wrong doing by the irs and had to pay a fine raises the issue that let us see to make sure. he says that he's been audited ever year. if you engage in wrong doing you get audited. that is not a reason not to turn over your tax returns. that is a reason the american people deserve to see what he has been engaging in. >> and i love this erin. like again austin is on his high horse and secretary clinton with her two top aides taking the fifth amendment -- the fifth amendment -- about this e-mail 1k57b8d and he's on his high horse and donald trump has done nothing wrong. >> you are just changing the subject peter. >> of course i'm changing -- >> it is the trump way. >> -- [inaudible]. thanks to both of you.
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. donald trump on defense. hillary clinton calling him out for his actions and frequent interruptions. >> well i think his -- his demeanor, his temperament, his behavior on the stage could be seen by everybody and people can draw their own conclusions. >> the post debate poll says more than 60% of viewers believed clinton beat trump. was it because of what they said or their body language. miguel marcus is out front. >> from the get go. from minute one t firsthand sheikh donald trump tried to
dominate. >> donald trump in this tas cook her hand and he touched her shoulder. it is demonstrating an aspect of control right from the beginning. >> anthony, a body language expert. we watched the debate in real time and got his on the fly impressions of how each candidate performed. >> that is called business the by the way. >> nine mill people. >> so we just saw a disgust reaction from donald trump. he's disagreeing. >> nine minutes in. and that is the first sign of him getting under her skin. >> and create anxiety. >> and trump hammered on privileged up bringing and the tone changed. trump increasingly exhibit in body language his dislike and rejection of clinton's views. he says trump overall is more emotional. his hand gestures projecting strength and confidence. his demeanor indicating he's
trying to play offense. >> any time you are leaning in. that is again we have our survival instincts. fight, flight, or freeze. any time you lean in. >> it is a fight i take it. >> that is a fight symptom. >> he says clinton is more controlled but her emotions don't match the message she's delivering. >> i'm watching hillary. while she's making, you know, excellent points verbally, she's not making any of them non verbally. >> you are feeling it here and not here. >> exactly. >> an hour and fifteen minute s in. clinton sparks real anger in trump. >> first time we saw donald trump point. to point right at her that is ar very -- a derogatory motion right towards hillary clinton. >> clinton saythroughout the dee he says was disciplined in
remaining unemotional. her body language for if most part dismissing donald trump. >> he's closing her eyes. blocking him out and proceeds with her answer. >> the final handshake just like the debate began, trump trying to exert control. >> patting on the back. >> basically twice. >> what he saw last night he says is o like the campaign in a nutshell. competent but cold clinton and emotionally open but engaging donald trump. as a lawyer if he had to pick one as a juror he would pick donald trump. he says lawyers, they just like people who are given to emotion. >> i'll note here as the body language doing his evaluation. our poll of the performance did lean slightly democratic. the body language expert you just heard said trump was trying to project strength and confidence.
there was more emotion in trump. that hillary clinton spoke with the head but not the heart. unemotional. does this matter when people take time to think about this debate? >> absolutely. especially, i think we've said a lot about trump this hour. we haven't said much about mrs. clinton and she clearly was a master. debater. brought in all the facts and figures and rolled them factually with a smile and we also know all along she struggled with making emotional connection and i thought that analysis was very helpful actually in saying how her hands and body language didn't invite you in. didn't establish a relationship with the viewers. it was rather she was -- you know, they famously said about two of the greatest --. sis roe, he maid you think. when you heard dimostines.
he made you march. and she made you think. and she could use a little marching music. >> it is a wonderful night when cicero is mentioned on this program. and "outfront" next. donald trump's words coming back to haunt him. >> she's been a great miss universe and she's like me and everybody else. we like to eat. we do like to eat. >> doid he invite cameras to film a beauty queen's workout? and the debate responds to the memorable moments ♪
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tonight former miss universe fighting back against donald trump. hillary clinton called out trump for calling alicia machado miss piggy for gaining weight after she won the crown. so who is alicia machado? >> she says donald trump called her. >> hello miss piggy. >> and because she's latino. >> he said hello miss house keeping. >> she has a name. her name is alicia machado. >> coming in the final minutes of monday night's debate. the relationship between trump and machado began in 1996 when the 19-year-old venezuelan beauty was crowned miss universe.
the first winner after trump bought the competition. machado claimed trump bullied her, calling her miss piggy after she gained what she said was 15 pounds during her reign. >> she gained about 55 pounds in a period of nine months. >> what does a girl eat? >> she must never stop. >> she it a a bloft everything. >> that same year cameras were invited to record machado at a gym session where trump took a different session. >> some people when they have pressure don't eat. and some people when they have pressure eelt too much, like me. but like alicia. >> and machado admits she struggled with her weight before and after she won the crown. >> my new bos is very trump and he's very, there are nice with me. and in any moment, my contract in miss universe company say for example i gain weight and then
the people take off my crown. this is ridiculous. >> trump's campaign denies calling machado names but he doubled down on his plus-sized comments on fox and friends this morning. >> she was the winner. and she gained a massive amount of weight. ands after a problem. we had a real problem. not only that, her attitude and we had a real problem with her. >> november lsh the first election she can cast a vote as she came a u.s. citizen this august and she's encouraging latino voiters to support clinton. as her her story being heard around the world. >> for my story this election this is what i'm trying to do and to share something they think is important, my experience with -- with this person. >> and hillary clinton came very prepared as you say. alicia machado had a phone call with reporters this afternoon ready to give her side soft to
story. and. >> as trump is the one eating his words at this point and the phone call the reason she came out is she said she was intimidated when she was 19 years old. herb boss was trump. so she debate want to speak out against him. and now she's a mom and works and has a job and says her her vote is for hillary. >> and alicia machado tonight an ac 360 with anderson. next gene most an sniffle gatje
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impact in my life. donald trump today denying he had a cold at the debate. but is there any denying he had some case of the --. here is jeanne moos. >> the internet depicted the candidate spewing flame, shooting laser beams and there was donald trump making funny faces and distracting noises. >> the best ever at it. and you go to so many places. -- it certainly looks that way. >> as the donald sniffled. twitter sneezed. someone get trump a tissue. the debate was dubbed the sniffening. parody trumps sprouted.
and therapy compilation of every sniff from the debate. hashtag "make america sniff again" sclacirculated. the donald denied he had a cold or alges. >> the mic was very bad. but maybe it was. >> might be a nervous tick. while others joked about things people sniff that cause sniffing. >> picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. >> the donald has been a serial sniffer before. for instance, back when he first started using teleprompters. and while the donald sniffed, hillary shimmies. >> whew, okay. >> laughing off trump's assertion she has a temperament problem. a shimmying cat and shaq and hillary made the rounds.
>> it could have been worse. at least the shimmy and the sniffle weren't combined. >> whew. okay. >> jeanne moos. thanks for joining us. hillary clinton and donald trump right back on the campaign trail after a debate that was historic on a number of fronts. 84 million people tuning. in it was the first time a woman took the debate stage as a major nominee for a political party and although this is something we haven't bothered the fact checkers with. i think it is safe to say a 400 pound bedridden cyber attacker