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that does it for us, thanks for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. open warfare and not just with hillary clinton. donald trump take aim at the very top of his party. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. as soon as the most powerful republican on capitol hill announces he won't campaign or defend trump. trump fires back, saying ryan should spend more time on new jobs and illegal immigration than fighting him. all this after a new poll taken after the release of the access
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hollywood video with lewd comments puts hillary clinton in the lead. trump on the campaign trail wrapping up his line of attack. >> bill clinton sexually assaulted women and hillary clinton attacked those women viciously, one said more viciously than he attacked them. >> hillary firing back while campaigning in michigan. >> he just doubled down on his excuse that it's just locker room banter. i'll tell you what, women and men across america know that is just a really weak excuse for behaving badly. and mistreating people. >> as usual, there's a lot to get to tonight. mark press on the, dana bash, frank sesno and larry sabado.
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i shouldn't say as usual because these are strange times we are living in right now, especially when it comes to politics. we all sat and watched that debate last night. a lot of people more sober than others. get us up to speed on the house speaker, paul ryan, he held a call today on donald trump and reince priebus. held another. what is going on here? >> it's the tale of two republican leaders and how these republican leaders even though they happen to be best friends, both from wisconsin, that have very different jobs to do, are handling the fallout and the free fall of donald trump in different ways. reince priebus had a call with his rnc committee men, the members who elected him and who report to the constituencies back home, who elected donald frump. he said to them, you know we're all on the same page, the rnc
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and the trump campaign, we're still working hand in glove and we're going to work to get him elected. i will tell you my reporting leading up to yesterday's debate, it wasn't so sure that was going to be the case, it just depended on whether or not donald trump could stop the bleeding, for lack of a better word. he did. reince priebus' job is to make sure he can elect republicans down the ticket. starting from the top of the ticket. paul ryan needs to worry about his own rank and file in the house. he has a lot of republicans from ruby red districts who have a lot of trump supporters at home, they want him to be more supportive of donald trump. but he told them he is not going to do it. he's going to stay in this weird gray area, which is he is not
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going to take back his endorsement, he's not going to be defending donald trump any more. there's push back from those members on the call. but he feels he needs to do this. a lot of republicans are worried they're going to get pulled down one by one by donald trump. >> i know you say it's a gray area. mark, i'm going to ask you, is it a gray area? i think most people understand what paul ryan is doing here, right? in his heart of hearts he would like to say i can't stand by this guy, but he has a much bigger job to do when it comes to getting other people elected. >> yes, he has to get all of his republicans re-elected, he has to hold on to the house majority. that is his number one job? >> is that apparent to voters? some people just say, he's electing hillary clinton by doing what he's doing. >> certainly, and you're hearing that from the trump side as well. in some ways, maybe he is in some ways, but it's not really fair, the bottom line is, paul ryan has got to elect all his republicans and he's got to look
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down to 2020 where perhaps he could run for president himself. >> what did trump say. >> are we surprised he would come out swinging today at multiple people, including journalists just a few hours ago in pennsylvania? he decided to go after paul ryan, not by name. let's take a listen to what he said. >> isn't it too bad that we don't have stronger leadership on both sides? i mean, you know, you have people that can't fix a budget, but they start talking about their nominee. but they can't fix the budget? isn't it sad we don't have stronger leadership on both sides? that will change if we win on november 8th. believe me. et cetera a going to change fast. >> you have donald trump a few hours ago in the great state of pennsylvania, a state he has to win. multiple fronts, not only is he fighting paul ryan, not only is he fighting hillary clinton, he spent a lot of that rally
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fighting the media including cnn continually attacking the media we saw last night. he was attacking the moderators. he said he wasn't treated very fairly. >> we'll get to that. when you talk about the great state of pennsylvania, larry, he needs to reach out to voters, especially educated women and the undecideds. if you look at his performance last night, at least what he said, it didn't appear he was reaching out to those voters. do you think that speaker ryan made any headway when it comes to those undecideds? >> absolutely not. he made headway with his own base and with republicans who were flaking away because of that sex tape. -- sex talk tape. he was able to go after clinton hard enough to attract those people back. that's what stabilized him, it also pleased the clinton campaign, the last thing they want is instability that might somehow some way inexplicably
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perhaps result in another candidate substituting for trump. >> to that point, this nbc wall street journal poll, speaker ryan clearly here. his response has more to do with the numbers coming out. this is a poll. clinton is up 11 points and this is -- after the thing on friday, this lewd sex tape, this is after that was released, explain these numbers to us, larry. >> well, you identified the most important fact, which is this poll was taken saturday and sunday, it's almost a pure sample of public opinion reaction to the release of that pretty shocking sex talk tape not surprisingly, the reaction wasn't good. it was especially bad among women, suburban women who are college educated, we have this tremendous educational gap this year, and a tremendous gender gap, combine those two in reaction to that tape, and you
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can see why in this one poll clinton was ahead 11 points, it's going to close somewhat, the normal number, if there is such a thing as normal in this campaign is a clinton lead of four or five points, we may see that again before november eighth. >> frank, you know, trump continued on the same scorched earth path today at least last night, let's listen to this. >> i was getting beaten up for 72 hours on all the networks for inappropriate words 12 years ago, locker room talk, whatever you want to call it, i said to myself, wait a minute, and i just saw a very inappropriate words. but bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women, and hillary clinton attacked those women viciously. one of them said more viciously than he attacked them.
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if they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate things we'll continue to talk about bill and hillary clinton doing inappropriate things. there are so many of them, folks. >> the same scorched earth as he did last night, he did today. what is with -- what is his strategy, is it going to work by bringing up the '90s and bill clinton's indiscretions? >> it works to galvanize the base. i was at the debate last night, i was in the hall, sitting next to one of trump's supporters. every time the subject came up about the defections from the republican party, well, those are the elite. they are not any good anyway. you have to keep in mine trump's fundamental supporters basically want to burn the house down. they're furious at washington, they're furious at the establishment, politicians on both sides, when you want to burn the house down, you hire the arsonist, the arsonist is playing with live fire, and
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that's what we heard. does it add to the base? probably not as larry said. that snapshot, that poll, that's a big gap. what it does after the debate is going to be very interesting to see. but there's something else i want to point out. that is that he -- donald trump rails at the media, the media in all its forms are not going away, they're riveted by this, they're going to continue to magnify his words, actions, inconsistencies and attacks, he will live by that, or perish by that, right now, he's gambling on the base. >> i was sitting with some people who watched. some were decided, some undecided. the subject of bill clinton or those three women came up, some of the undecided people said it seems desperate to them that they wish he would at least try to be above the fray and not below the fray.
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dana, is that the consensus from people who have not decided who they're going to vote for in this election? >> i think people who are undecided are just flat out disgusted by this particular issue. it is really hard to imagine that bringing those four women into the debate hall, never mind having the political stunt, photo op, i mean, it was a stunt, doing what he did beforehand with them, right before a major presidential debate. hard to imagine that is going to make undecided voters say, oh, wow! i'm going to vote for donald trump. that makes sense to me. it's just hard to imagine. just as larry and frank were saying, that was all about making sure that the bottom doesn't really fall out, that poll we were talking about, if we can put it back up, not only is it an 11 point gap, it's well below what has been his standard floor, which is kind of in the 40s. 40, 41 percent. that means he lost his supporters, which he needed to get back before he could build
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on the undecided voters. >> you asked the question of the desperation of bringing up old claims against bill clinton. it's not just desperation, but a distraction. you could argue that trump's strongest line against hillary clinton is she's old news, failed policy, she can't be trusted all of that instead of taking time going after a few effective attacks. now he's scattering shots around things that disgust a lot of people. you could also argue that he is missing opportunities here by filling up the air with some of this other stuff. >> we're going to talk about the debate last night, what did and did not happen, and behind the scenes when these four women were trying to figure out where they were going to sit, we'll be back. people say, let's just get a sandwich or something. "or something"? you don't just graduate from medical school, "or something." and we don't just pull smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia and hand-slice avocado.
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there's nothing "or something" about it.
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two down and one to go. the third and final presidential debate takes place. october 19th.
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dana bash, let's pick up where we left off. tell us what was going on behind the scenes last night with the trump family, juanita broderick, paula jones, catalina willie, and kathleen shelton. where the four women sat. >> we could see right before the debate started that these women walked in. excuse me, and sat in what ended up being dark during the debate, where frank also sat in -- because the entire real audience was dark. they sat there because they were forbidden from sitting where the trump campaign wanted them to sit, which was with the families, which would have meant if -- you remember at the beginning of the debate, the families kind of came out at the same time, it turned out to be a large trump family and just bill clinton on his side. what the trump campaign was planning was for it to be a dramatic moment for bill clinton
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have these women confront him on live tv. frank ferrencoff got wind of it, one of the cochairs of the presidential debate commission, he knocked on the staff door of the trump campaign and said listen i heard you're trying to do this, don't even think about it, if you think about bringing them in, i'm going to make sure security guards prevent that from happening. at that point the motorcade hadn't gotten there, he wasn't sure if he had been successful in stopping them, but he had to go on the stage to welcome everybody to the debate. and it turns out he was successful and his aides prevented them from coming, and that's when we all saw them coming around the back. they ended up sitting right in front of a whole role of democrats, sitting in front of dick durbin, it was so bizarre. the number two democrat in the senate. >> yeah. i have lot more questions, but we'll move on.
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i want to get to the electoral map. i want to bring larry back in. frank, you were in the audience last night. i want you to tell us what the audience reaction was to this right here, listen. >> i'll tell you what, i didn't think i'd say this, but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it, but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it, and we're going to have a special prosecutor. we're going to get a special prosecutor, and we're going to look it into because you know what, people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a disgrace, honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> it's awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> secretary clinton --
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[ cheers and applause ] >> frank, you hear a lot of noise, what was the real sense in the room? >> just what you heard. it took everyone's breath away. there were gaps and claps and boos. the gentleman i was sitting next to was pro trump burst into applause. the guy behind me who was pro clinton let out a gasp. i still have the reporter in me, i'm writing all this stuff down, taking my notes. i practically dropped my pen. to say we've never heard this in debates we've covered since 1960 when they were televised is an understatement. nothing even close to this and so that was the moment and it's going to be one of the moments that resonates, that people will remember. >> another moment, about what happened last night, here's what ari fleischer tweeted, winning candidates don't threaten to put opponents in jail. trump is wrong on this, eric holder added, we do not threaten to jail political opponents.
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donald trump said he would, he is promising to abuse the power of his office. i have to ask you, larry, does this win him any points or any -- on that electoral map, does that help him at all? >> absolutely not. once again, this excites his base, it's a very banana republicesque thing to say. in banana republics, the winner usually jails or sometimes even executes the opponent. why does it appeal to his base so much? there's a tremendous amount of hatred for hillary clinton, but good good research has shown that if you want to see why the trump base is so excited about trump, you need to understand that they like authoritarianism, and goodness knows, trump is an authoritarian candidate. >> what does this do? let's put the road map up, on the road to 270 for donald trump and hillary clinton.
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is this where it was if the election was held today? >> right. >> hillary would be president right now. >> she's' president right now if this were voted on today? >> right. >> listen to what larry said, as you are analyzing this, where does this lead us? >> here's the difficulty right now, if we could put the map back up, we'll show you where it goes. if you look at the yellow right there, florida, donald trump needs to pick up florida, north carolina and ohio. he needs to pick up those three states. after that, he needs to pick up pennsylvania, which is blue, michigan, which is blue or colorado which right now is blue as well. to the point, which has been our discussion this whole night, is that donald trump did not add anyone to his coalition, he's lost people in his base, in order to win people in those states, you need money and support. that's a hard map for him and a hard road to be down. >> especially with the
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establishment not really backing him. because he needs that money. he needs money than anything. >> he needs the support. if you were in the state of pennsylvania and you have the congressman of the local district coming out and saying, i can't support donald trump, endorsements don't mean everything, but bad headlines do. >> if you look at the map now, according to mark, he says, if the election were held today, hillary clinton is president. what are you learning tonight. they're not just sitting there going, okay, we got it here. they're trying to expand this map, correct? what you are you hearing? >> thinking about expanding the map, but that's -- they're following the numbers, for example, georgia. georgia is at least in recent history, as red as it gets, it's just something that democrats don't even really think about in terms of going down there and winning on a presidential level. but the clinton campaign and a source who's outside of the campaign doing polling, who i talked to tonight said that they have her up in georgia. because among the republicans who are traditionally reliable votes for presidential
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candidates, a lot of them look at trump and say, he's not one of us. they're potentially going to go down there and try to compete there. there's a lot of head faking going on at this late state of the race, where democrats are going to be trying to force republicans to spend their resources down there, and that means they wouldn't spend it in other traditional battleground states, a lot of that goes on when we're so close to it. i think in this case, a state like georgia, it could be real. >> i was asked by mark mckinnon on the circus, he said, what two states do you think? i said georgia and florida. everyone on the show looked at me like what, are you kidding me? i think they could be the two big deciding -- >> it's always florida. >> well, certainly. >> there's no way for donald trump to win without florida. and dana suggested georgia, and i agree with that, i think one -- another state is even more vulnerable to take -- >> ohio?
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>> no, arizona. >> arizona? wow. >> yeah. >> if you take any states out of romney's 206 electoral vote base and give it to clinton, then the mountain that trump has to climb is really mount everest. >> all right, panel, great panel, thank you so much. i appreciate it. get some sleep now. until tomorrow when we wake up and do it all over again. >> what is this sleep you speak about? >> you'll find out on november 9th. you will. thank you everyone, i appreciate it. trump going after hillary clinton by ramping up his attacks on bill clinton, bringing four of the former accusers to last night's debate, did it help him win any votes? the heirloom tomato.
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donald trump dismissing these lewd comments about women which were caught on video as locker room talk. >> i have to use some tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i start kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want? >> grab them by the pussy.
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you can do anything. >> i want to bring in marsha blackburn of tennessee who is a trump supporter and hilary rosen who is a hillary supporter. good evening. thank you both for joining us. congresswoman, i want to start with you, i want to get your reaction first to those remarks about donald trump. whether you think he fixed it to his satisfaction with your debate performance. >> i think his remarks are indefensible, and i thought it was interesting that the women came last night, talked to a couple of people today with completely different reactions. one, a millennial, who is wanting to travel for the next five years with her husband and then start a family. she says, tell me where i go to find out just the facts on where these two are on making the world safe. concerned about isis and terrorism. so for her, she watched the debate, but she didn't get
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detail, and that's what she was looking for. another, a 60 something nashvillian, had been a big clinton/gore supporter in '92, said seeing that reminded her of some of the issues that existed in the '92 campaign and many were saying, you know, al gore needed to be at the top of the -- >> directly to the question, did he fix it to your satisfaction -- >> i said his remarks were indefensible. did he fix it to your satisfaction. >> his debate performance was solid. >> okay. >> to your satisfaction, you think he fixed the comments -- >> i think you know what, i don't share all of donald trump's values, i do agree with him on the big issues that are before us, national security jobs and economic security. >> fair enough, i get it. >> hillary, team trump attempted to put bill clinton's accusers
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in the trump family box last night, we were speaking about it in the opening segment. hoping to a create a more direct confrontation, the debates put a stop to it, what was your reaction to that, and do you think it unnerved the clintons. >> i'm going to have a lovefest here with my friend congresswoman blackburn. i think people just wanted to talk about the issues. i think that the stunt that donald trump pulled at the outset of that debate yesterday afternoon was nauseating, i don't think people want to talk about it. hillary clinton absolutely didn't want to talk about it, she ignored trump's attempts to try to get her to talk about it. >> do you think it unnerved the clintons, though? >> no, i think it pissed her off, and it made her feel like, this is not where we want to go. she said several times during the debate, you can run any kind of campaign you want to run, but i'm going to talk about the campaign i want to run. and so if he thought it was
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unsettling to them, i think it backfired in many ways. first of all, it was clear that it disgusted the media as much as it disgusted the clinton team, and so it didn't get the kind of coverage that i think that they had hoped it would get. and it is not getting the kind of coverage today that he's hoping it will get. >> congresswoman. >> all it's doing start of distracting thpeople -- >> yeah, i -- >> from what he needs to do. >> i think what it did do is to remind people of what transpired in the '90s with the clintons. >> why does that help? >> you saw that -- hillary, i saw that in the 60-year-old that had -- at one point been a clinton/gore supporter, much of that had been forgotten, and that was a reminder of the unseemliness, they're not going to vote for hillary clinton and she made that clear. just like the millennial today said i want just the facts and they were very upset that hillary clinton would not name
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radical islamic extremism and terrorism as an enemy and very upset about hillary wanting to bring syrian refugees into the country and very upset -- you know. >> congresswoman, you remind people. hold on hillary. you say -- i will give you a chance, hillary. let's remind people of the '90s, here's an interview with donald trump and wolf blitzer back in 1999. >> i think she's gone through terrible times, i think she's been through more than any woman should have to bare, everything public. women go through this on a private level and can't take it. she is on the front page of every newspaper with what wpt on. i think she's a wonderful woman. >> but he also went on to say very disparaging things about those women. you know, even making calling them names and not very attractive and saying that bill clinton was sort of being harassed by those women.
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>> and don, you've heard me say before, i am less worried about what donald trump says, and more worried about what hillary clinton has done or will do. >> it doesn't seem like he's changing what he's saying for political expediency? >> and go through the list. we have a binary choice here, and the issues of national security, jobs, and economic security, what is going to happen with open borders which hillary clinton is saying that she would like. i think we need to be focusing on hillary clinton's e-mails. you. >> know that's not true. >> you know, let me ask you this. >> go read these e-mails. >> you're a smart politician, let me ask you this, why when i agree with you that people should be talking about the issues today, why all day long is donald trump instead of talking about where he is on the issues, still talking about bill clinton, why is he doing that? he is the one taking this campaign off the rails. hillary clinton would be perfectly happy to have a conversation about syrian refugees or -- >> well --
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>> or other things, but really it's donald trump that keeps creating these side shows. >> i think hillary -- both campaigns. >> if he was smart he would be listening to you. >> both campaigns have created plenty of side shows. hillary does not want people looking through all of these e-mails that got dumped last week, and there are more to come. look at facebook working with her, cheryl sandberg working facebook and that set of e-mails. the podesta e-mails. some information on benghazi. that is not what hillary clinton wants to talk about, i would rather donald trump be talking about these e-mails, you could read them from start to finish, and i think that is something that would cause many people to change their mind about who they're even thinking about voting for. >> there is nothing in the e-mails to date that changes anything. >> i have to go hillary, quickly, please.
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>> i'll just say this, which is, hillary clinton is trying to run this campaign on the issues, not about the past, but about the future, that's what she is focused on. >> triangulation. >> i hear congresswoman blackburn saying that's what she wants the campaign to focus on. donald trump is not taken anyone's advice. >> thank you, i appreciate it. donald trump has had a contentious relationship with republican leaders since day one. with just days to go until election day, can it possibly get worse?
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do what is best for you, the unprecedented advice from paul ryan to his fellow republican lawmakers regarding support of his party's nominee, and donald trump isn't pleased. let's discuss now, margaret hoover is here. i always love having margaret, republican consult ant and sirus xm host john avalon. i'm kidding, it's good to have you both on. john teal me, what's the truth here, reince priebus is saying there's no change in support for donald trump, despite it this public feud between paul ryan and donald trump.
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these deflections that are on tape -- or deflections i should say, that are on tape, one of them came on the show and said, i can't do it any more, don, which i hear donald trump was watching and not happy about. what is the truth? >> the truth is, reince priebus is desperately trying to keep up appearances, but reality is getting in his way. when paul ryan leads a call with the republicans in the house, and basically says run away, every man for himself. that's not sign of strength or confidence in the top of the ticket. we have a party that's trying to keep itself together, realizing the top of the ticket is dragging swing state senators and congressmen down. that's a real problem that they can't ignore. but it's baked in the cake right now. >> does donald trump understand the turmoil he's causing or does he really care? >> i don't think he cares at all. i don't believe that anyone has asked more of the republican party than donald trump actually as a candidate ever. in american history. the republican party has done so much more for donald trump than
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he has for the republican party. there are still republicans who have wildly different vision for what the republican party should stand for, a party that is inviting to immigrants, a party that believes in economic mobility. a party that has a poverty agenda, this is what's so tragic about the latest episode with paul ryan, he's gone around the country holding this brochure that says a better way on it, right? this brochure. it's got really well thought out, serious policy positions on how -- the conservative solution for alleviating serious economic poverty issues in our cities. and you know what, but it's just to the point that there really is a contrast for what the republican party could be, and that's what was so sad today about paul ryan coming out, everyone, you're on the -- run for the exits, do what you need to do. the only reason he was tepid in his support about donald trump beforehand, he believed the only
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way his agenda could get through is if there's a republican president. he told everyone, there's not going to be a republican president. >> did you hear what she just said? >> yeah. >> i'm so glad you said that. he doesn't think that donald trump can win. >> he acknowledged -- he's skating to where the puck is going. he basically acknowledged. >> the trend is not donald trump's friend. this is all based in something fundamental that we've seen over the past couple months. donald trump rose because the republican party base has gotten more and more extreme and less and less the general electorate. it was all about rallying the base, not about reaching out. that is not a winning strategy. paul ryan has a pamphlet with well thought out policies and donald trump has screaming about us versus them. >> let's talk about some of his advisers. i watched last night, i watched
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the response to his campaign managers, his advisers, rudy giuliani, when it comes to his response after this tape, he's going after bill clinton which is scorched earth. do you think the guy is a good old boy adviser -- are they giving him the right advice on this billion clinton strategy? >> no. >> 99% of the people i speak to say, staunch republicans say, what is he doing? >> well, i don't -- heaven forbid that -- we both have a strong opinion about rudy's role in this. we're married, rudy giuliani introduced us, he's not the one driving the strategy. the guy driving the strategy is david bosse and steve bannon, the guys from breitbart, who -- they've been replaying this '90s strategy against the clintons. >> you have to -- rudy giuliani is the face, he's the one going on every show and defending this strategy. >> look, he -- rudy is
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enthusiastically embracing his role as the number one defender and surrogate. i don't think he's doing himself any favors, but good people can disagree honestly, here's the larger point, donald trump in this iteration of the campaign has basically surround himself with an alt-right rogue's gallery, and the hyperpartisan media, particularly breitbart, david bosse, citizens united, who in the '90s was doing investigations against clinton. this stuff is marrow deep. they're getting their fantasy baseball game about blowing up all of their conspiracy series because it's what they know, it's the play they have. it has everything to do with the past and nothing to do with the future. >> if you look at matt borgias, the ohio gop chairman, saying his wife was right all along, wouldn't even allow him to put a donald trump sign in the front yard, i wonder how many people are going back and forth, chav
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-- safer said the same thing, i spoke to my wife, you can't do it. >> you know, it's an interesting point. offense after offense after offense -- >> so goes ohio, so goes the rest of the country. >> john mccain mentioned his wife and her work against human trafficking. suddenly the trump tapes got to people on a gutteral level. even him having been called not a hero for serving five years in a vietcong prison camp. which we know he did. it was the talk about their daughters and the way we talk about our women in this country. >> these are the choices, right? si point, republicans are realizing that party loyalty asks too much. backing donald trump isn't just a political decision. it ends up being a moral decision. if you think other shoes are dropping and it's going to be a constant source of embarrassment, at some point you have to say i declare my independence from a train wreck of a nominee. >> ohio has been completely
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disavowed by the governor of ohio. >> which is longstanding. >> they were opponents, rivals on that stage. >> thank you very much. coming up, what trump and clinton said last night that you didn't hear, our body language expert breaks it down. red 97! set! red 97! did you say 97? yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? helped by geico's fast and friendly claims service. huh... oh yeah, baby. geico's as fast and friendly as it gets. woo! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
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it would not be a trump/clinton debate if it was not filled with eye rolls, smirks and sniffs. but what does it all mean? we have a body language expert here with us, i'm so glad you were there, so glad you are here this evening. everybody expected a big apology, chris, the sexually aggressive words in the 2005 tape. what can you say about his body language? while apologizing, did he seem remorseful? >> well, don, it's a great observation. when we talk about body language, we're really talking about perception. and in the moment when he is giving his apologies, one adage is show me, don't tell me, we
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don't see any of that sadness or embarrassment in his tasface. we don't see him looking down or seeing internal dialogue. his body language is more open, a broad display. as he finishes his apology, especially in the debate, he twists his lip to the one side, distaste to the topic, where we see the nose wrinkle and the teeth flash, it happened in one 15th of a second, don. >> would you say that last night when he was on the stage, probably a more real moment than him reading off the teleprompter at trump tower. >> it's interesting as he is pressed on the subject when he apologizes and says i was embarrassed about it.
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so there is some distancing language. it's not i'm embarrassed, there is literally trying to distance himself from it in that moment. and rather than take up less space where we might see some embarrassment or him feeling emotional about it, we instead see him very broad shouldered, open in his body language. so it's just an interesting contrast, we're not seeing any remorse. some of the comments later, we didn't see that remorse. >> there was a moment that caused the internet to explode. let's watch it. he is kind of looming closely behind hillary clinton, what do you make of this? >> well, this is a very aggressive posture. he is literally in her personal space. we talk about the distance in which we interact with each other, close, with your partner, 18 inches, and beyond that, two to four feet, still personal space. he stepped into her personal
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space. it's a very aggressive posture, maybe meant to intimidate or have that aggressive moment there. so -- afterward, he will then literally walk around the chair and distance himself, almost looking down and resetting in that moment. it's a very odd posture, she does what some politicians do, they walk over and build that connection. for him to step -- he almost looks bored and disinterested as he is doing it. but here he is, in a bullying gesture, very highly aggressive, swaying walk and forth in these type of movements. just shows a lot of aggression this that moment, an interesting dance across the stage. she crosses across him. possibly a strategy, an intensive move in order to move into his space. >> she did go over to his side, to get closer to the questioner,
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what does it say about her strategy? >> well, it may have been something they practiced or coached, get into his space, we've seen it with romney, others, where they dance into their personal space to throw them off. so they may have had that intent to connect to the voter. really if you connect to the voter you connect to the larger audience. >> what about the sniffing, chris? what about it? >> it's a very interesting topic, i don't think he dealt with it before, he said he had no cold. personally if you don't speak to something it becomes the elephant in the room. so if he is trying to get his message out, the constant sniffing. here again it's a distraction, he is not dealing with it. until he tells us what he is did -- is dealing with, what is happening, what is going on with
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the sniffles, a distraction, getting in the way of his message. >> body language expert, we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> donald trump says it's just locker room talk, but will voters accept that explanation?
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so much to apologizing.
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this is don lemon, donald trump is threatening more personal attacks on hillary clinton if any more damaging tapes come out. and he says he will throw her in jail if he is elected. >> we are going to get a special prosecutor to figure this deal out. i have never been so ashamed of this country as what has gone on with hillary clinton. >> but good news tonight for clinton. she is leading trump in a new national poll by 11 points. a lot to get to. i want to begin with mark presston, betsy mccoy, a trump supporter, always lively when she stops by, and

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