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teachers, nurses and firefightes support prop 51. prop 51 will upgrade libraries, science labs, and classroom technology and relieve school overcrowding creating more opportunity . . . and better learning for students help students succeed vote yes on 51. that, in a nutshell, is the gop's dilemma. a growing concern that trump is harming republican and senate candidates and a growing effort to stop the damage. as sara murray reports. >> we have a bunch of babies running our country, folks. we have a bunch of losers. they're losers, they're babies. >> reporter: a sharp elbow donald trump is shrugging aside
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his sagging poll numbers today, and vowing to hustle through the final stretch. >> win, lose, or draw, and i'm almost sure, if the people come out, we're going to win. but i will be -- i will be happy with myself. because i always say, i don't want to think back, if only i did one more rally, i would have won north carolina. >> reporter: the gop nominee still claiming the election is rigged. >> it's a rigged system. it's a rigged system. don't ever forget it. that's why you've got to get out and vote. you've got to watch. >> reporter: as trump's complaints became mere fodder for laugh lines for hillary clinton thursday evening. >> donald looks at the statue of liberty and sees a four. maybe a five if she loses the torch and tablet and changes her hair. >> reporter: that's as the two traded the barbs at the annual al smith dinner to benefit catholic charity.
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>> the media is even more biased this year than ever before. ever. you want the proof? michelle obama gives a speech and everyone loves it. it's fantastic. they think she's absolutely great. my wife, melania, gives the exact same speech and people get on her case. >> but at times, trump's jokes were, perhaps, too pointed, even drawing boos from the crowd. despite the tension, today cardinal dolan had this to say about how the candidates interacted off-camera. >> and after the little prayer, mr. trump turned to secretary clinton and said, you know, you are one tough and talented woman. and he said, this has been a great -- a good experience in this whole campaign, as tough as it's been. and she said to him, and donald, whatever happens, we need to work together after this.
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>> reporter: with the major political moments, the convention, the debates behind him, it remains unclear how trump hopes to turn his fortunes around. but he is certainly relishing the lighter moments, at rallies packed with his faithful supporters. >> i just got caught in the rain. i'm soaking wet. how does my hair look? is it okay? >> sara murray, cnn, johnstown, pennsylvania. >> well, donald trump may be looking to add women, independents, and suburban moderates to his coalition, however, he has to keep his base energized enough to stand by him through election day and come out to vote, no matter what the polls look like over the next few weeks. our gary tuchman wanted to get a better idea where their heads are right now. he's what he discovered at one of the trump rallies today. >> reporter: bucks county, pennsylvania, is a swing county in a swing state. so these donald trump supporters are particularly valuable commodities for the republican nominee. >> and he really did not have to run at all.
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he just felt like he needed to save america at this time. >> reporter: but are there enough of these voters? polls show trump's significantly behind hillary clinton in pennsylvania. >> i don't believe the polls. i think the media is corrupt. >> he will win. he will win. without a doubt. >> reporter: there is a widespread feeling at rallies like that it's disloyal to cast any doubts on a donald trump victory and his pronouncement that polls a rigged. >> i think it's a -- the polls are not true. and i think he's going to -- i think he's going to be up there and he's going to make it and he's going to win. >> with all due respect, is it possible that maybe they are true? >> um -- uh, i don't think they are. >> but there are some trump loyalists who feel differently than they did from even a few weeks ago. are you concerned at this point now that the debates are over that he may not win? >> sure, sure. i think everybody here, that's in the back of their mind.
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>> there's always a concern, but he's the beginning of something new. independents, different people than who have been in there. i would love to see 'em all come out, out of the woodwork, and start running. >> but in the meantime, those who express complete confidence in a trump november 8th victory and those who do not are all happy to offer advice. some saying, don't change a thing. >> if it's not natural for him, if it's not really him, then i think he should continue to be him, exactly him. he doesn't need someone to polish him off. >> reporter: others saying -- >> i think he needs to keep pounding his policies, and the things he's going to do for american, to make america great. >> do you think he should continue pounding hillary clinton? >> i think he needs to let that go. >> take the negative out of it. just talk about the positive things, what he's going to do. >> reporter: mckala says she still believes that donald trump will be the next president, but. >> if donald trump asked you,
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give me some advice i need to attract voters to win the white house, what would you say to him? >> a little bit of a filter. >> reporter: donald trump is their candidate, but for some, the reflecting has begun on what happens if he doesn't win. >> it will be sad, but you go on. >> gary tuchman joins us. are you finding any less enthusiasm over the last couple of weeks as he's faced these less-favorable poll numbers? >> reporter: i think the contrary, anderson. i think people are more enthusiastic and manufacture passionate when they see donald trump at these rallies. they're very invested. and this is crunch time. it's the end of october going into november, we see that historically in elections past. whether you're losing in the polls, leading in the polls, tied the in the polls, people know it's junior last chance to come out and be enthusiastic. and this place erupted, not surprisingly, when trump said, we will win the state of pennsylvania. but what was more notable, he was actually quite surprising and very un-trump like. at one point trump said this,
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you've got to go out and vote and got to turn this thing around. as i said, anderson, that was up-trump like. >> thanks, gary. clinton running well in pennsylvania, she has the luxury to be able to focus on just a few battleground states, not all of them, which might explain why she did her campaigning today in ohio. more from our jeff zeleny. >> i have now spent 4 1/2 hours on-stage with donald, proving once again i have the stamina to be president. >> reporter: hillary clinton back on the campaign trail in cleveland. her face-to-face showdowns with donald trump behind her. clinton is hoping to capitalize on her rising momentum, and trying to turn a positive corner. >> i know you may still have questions for me. i respect that. i want to answer them. i want to earn your vote. i am reaching out to all americans, democrats, republicans, and independents. >> reporter: yet she's hardly resting easy, as her campaign
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braces for more fallout from e-mails stolen from campaign chair, john podesta. another batch today from wikileaks, confirming bad blood between clinton and al gore, after he declined to endorse her last fall. top clinton aide, huma abedin writing, hard to put on e-mail, but there is no love lost in this relationship. she added later, no, it's bad. clinton aides say that's all in the past, pointing to gore's appearance last week with clinton in miami. >> i can't wait to have al gore advising me, when i am president of the united states. >> reporter: the e-mails also exposing questions about whether secretary clinton would attend a clinton foundation summit in morocco, a month after announcing her bid for the presidency. the e-mails suggest her appearance was in exchange for a $12 million contribution from the king of morocco. again, abedine writing, it would break china now to back out when we had so many opportunities to do so in the past month.
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she created this mess and she knows it. in the end, clinton did not go. the clinton campaign hoping to drown out these distractions with a powerful new television ad. it features khizr khan, the father who spoke about his son, a muslim american who died serving in iraq. >> i want to ask mr. trump, would my son have a place in your america? >> and jeff joins us now. any sense of why the clinton campaign is going back to the khan family in this new commercial? >> reporter: anderson, if there is one moment from this trump campaign the clinton team believes symbolizes why he is unfit for the presidency, they believe it is captured in that ad. that's why they're running it now in battleground states across the country. they believe that moment from this summer, after the
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democratic convention, when donald trump tangled with this gold star family, really symbolized what many people didn't like about him, and again, his fitness for office. that is one of the final closing ads that they intend to use here, anderson. there might be a couple more here in these final two weeks. but this ad, they believe, is a powerful one that will keep running. anderson. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. coming up next, why republicans, even top republicans, like house speaker, paul ryan, are feeling boxed in by donald trump. and later, evan mcmullen, you'll recall, he's running for president, and you'll certainly get a reminder if he wins the state, which the polls say he just might. the state is utah, and the story behind his rise says so much about this race. an ruff. great-grandfather horatio went west during the gold rush. and aunt susan was a a world champion. i inherited their can-do spirit. and their double chin. now, i'm going to do something about it. kybella® is the first of its kind injectable treatment that destroys fat under the chin, leaving an improved profile.
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toomeys, the kelly ayottes of the campaign world. republicans and incumbents on capital hill stymied by donald trump at the top of the ticket, not sure whether to endorse him and tap into his loyal following or disavow him and reach for moderates and independents. some like the centers and house speaker paul ryan are caught in the middle. others are speaking out against him and could pay a political price. meanwhile, ads are going up from gop-friendly organizations, not mentioning trump by name, but suggesting he'll lose. more on the effort and fear behind it from cnn's manu raju. >> reporter: gop officials now fear that if donald trump loses by a landslide, he could take down the congressional majorities with him. >> not only am i concerned about the presidential race, i'm concerned about what the impact on down-ballot races, including the senate. >> reporter: in new hampshire, republicans sound like they're treating a trump defeat as a foregone conclusion. >> maggie hassin's record -- >> reporter: with an ad that attacks democrat maggie hassan.
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>> just imagine what she'd done unchecked in washington with a new president. >> reporter: in clinton wins, democrats need four seats to take back the senate majority. republican seats in pennsylvania and new hampshire are in danger of flipping. democrats now have a serious shot at winning in red states like indiana, north carolina, and missouri. and the battle for retiring senate democratic leader, harry reid's seat in nevada is a true toss-up. reid tried to tie republican joe heck to donald trump. >> this man we have running for the senate here in nevada, joe heck. >> reporter: heck revoked his endorsement of trump after the gop nominee's vulgar words about women were caught on a hot mike. >> i cannot, in good conscience, continue to support donald trump. >> reporter: opponent, catherine cortez masto, is not letting up. >> after nine months of being his biggest supporter and realizing now that donald
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trump's ship is sinking, and now he's trying to scurry off it to save his own political career. no, you don't get credit for that. >> reporter: and in the house, trump has become so toxic -- >> how about it, huh?! >> reporter: that speaker paul ryan is scrambling to prevent democrats from picking up the 30 seats they need to win back the majority. but ryan's refusal to defend trump is causing some conservatives to threaten his speakership. >> a lot of the people who believe so desperately that we need to put donald trump in the white house, they question the loyalty of the speaker. i do believe that there will be real discussions after november 8th on who our leadership will be and what that will look like going forward. >> so, manu, is paul ryan really at risk of losing his leadership post? >> well, anderson, he's really in a difficult position. a lot of it depends on how big the house gop majority is after the election. that is assuming they win the majority. they're expected to lose right
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now upwards about of 20 seats or so. if they lose 30, they lose the majority. many republican moderates are expected to lose. that means that conservatives could add even more sway in the next election. ryan will face a speaker vote on the floor, where he cannot afford to lose many votes to get the 218 needed to be re-elected speaker. he already lost ten the last time he ran. so every vote will count, while -- so at the moment, anderson, ryan is raising a lot of money across the country, trying to save the majority, but he has not spoken out about trump, since the release of that "access hollywood" video. and while ryan is privately saying he can't defend him, if he were to outwardly criticize trump, he could anger those same house conservatives he needs to be re-elected speaker. anderson? >> manu raju, thanks. >> thank you. >> well, for a party that used to be known for falling in line, this is more than just a departure. could be a real threat. at the very least, it's fascinating to look at. joining us, two people who have certainly seen a lot, cnn political commentator and former top obama campaign guru, david axelrod, and the atlantic's
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james fallow, himself a veteran of the carter administration. david, these republican members who are worried about losing their seats, worried about what to do with trump, they've had a year and a half to try to come up with a plan. isn't it a little late to start panicking now? >> well, with i think that his position has eroded, and so, particularly in these swing districts and swing states, battleground states, they're in this awkward position of having to choose between their base and swing voters. so the swing voters want to see themselves separate themselves out from donald trump. but the base is very restive and does not and resents peeling away, in nevada, for example, joe heck, running for the senate, separated himself from trump after the video and there was a huge backlash among his base. now he's trapped the between a rock and a hard place. >> right, they're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. >> exactly. >> james, as far as you know, is there any historical parallel though, down-ballot republicans trying to distance themselves
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from the top of the ticket in the last days of campaigning? >> i'm trying to think, previous cases in recent memory when you knew somebody was going to lose badly. walter mondale in '84, james mcgovern in '72. the party was badly split in '72, but you didn't see democrats trying to peel themselves off from mcgovern to try to avoid troubles there. i think as with so many things in trump, we have not seen in our lifetime anything exactly like this, where, as david said, there's an almost impossible choice for a lot of these republicans, if they do denounce trump in any way, they see the kind of backlash that paul ryan saw when he tried to distance himself. and if they don't, they're giving up hopes for a lot of the uncommitted vote. so i think it is one more new thing we're seeing. >> and david, if republican voters don't show up, because they think the election is
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rigged, isn't the down-ballot races, especially the close ones, isn't it those races that could really feel the ramifications of that? >> i think they do think that. whether they don't show because they think it's rigged or more likely because they think it's over, they're -- you know, this hurts down-ballot -- it hurts down-ballot candidates. and it's also a concern on the democratic side, although you hear on the democratic side, growing enthusiasm about the fact that there's going to be a decent turnout. but the fear is that if voters keep getting told that this thing is going to be a blowout and that it's over, that there's some member of democratic voters or independent voters leaning democrat, who won't come because they're not that enthused about hillary, and as long as she's going to win, they may stay away. >> james, do you think the trump message that it's rigged -- do you think that actually does -- i guess, initially, his thought was that it's going to fire up, you know, republicans to come out and, you know, overcome the rigged system in his opinion. but it does seem like it could also do the reverse, which is the worst get-out-the-vote strategy possible.
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>> you would certainly think that. and this, again, is the thousandanth illustration of trying to match the strategy of winning what the campaign is doing. one other thing i'm going to be very interested to see from a lot of democrats in the next -- i'm sorry, a lot of republicans in the next two weeks, their most potent argument, you would think, would be, okay, we're going to lose the presidency, so it's all the more important to hold the senate and hold the house. >> david? >> the one place, anderson, where that may work is among donors. right now, there was a piece in the "wall street journal" this week about the fact that democrats are swamping republicans in some of these key senate races, and there's a huge gap. i think that was a clarion call to some of these republican donors to come into these races. i expect to see a flood of republican money into these battleground senate races, in the coming days, as a result of
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concerns that they're going to lose the senate. >> jim, what do you think happens afterward? >> hugh hewitt, conservative talk show host this week, predicted that if trump does, in fact, lose, that the main street republicans, small business owners, they'll all quickly and gladly revert back to the mitch mcconnell/paul ryan wing of the party? do you agree with them? >> this is the next best stage in american political evolution that we'll be talking about, which is what lesson will the party take from what seems like a likely trump defeat now, how big a defeat it is. who takes blame for it, whether they can say, well, this is some aberration, if he's run as a real conservative, he would have won. whether the reince priebus message of four years ago, which we have to reach out to women, minorities, whether that will prevail, so i think we are see ing the beginning of a political internal debate and evolution or devolution unlike anything we've seen for decades. >> right, david, to that idea, post-trump, does he become just
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like sarah palin, who, you know, had a bit of a following for a while, but then ends up, you know, doing shows, reality show in alaska? >> no, and i don't think he's going to go quietly into the night. i've heard republicans, actually, articulate -- republicans who aren't supporting trump, that it might be in their interest to see a bigger blowout, because then there won't be any ambiguity about it. it will be have been a disaster, whereas if it's -- if it's relatively close, then there'll be this civil war within the party, as to who is responsible for undermining trump. i think paul ryan's in a very difficult position, because of the house seats that are going to be lost, almost all of them are going to be among relatively moderate republican house members, mostly in the suburbs, who were hurt by trump. and it's going to leave ryan with a more reactionary caucus and a smaller caucus. so all the headaches that he had running the caucus last time may be greater. now, there could be the hugh
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hewitt effect, but that sounds like wishful thinking to me. >> david axelrod and james fellow, thanks, guys, so much. >> thank you. >> just for the record, i like reality shows in alaska. "ice road truckers." what's better? we'll continue our discussion, next. what the panel thinks about the gop's down-ballot blues, when we come back. who says i shouldn't have a soda everyday? my doctor. my dentist. definitely my wife. wait, i know what i want. make sparkling water at home. and drink 43% more water every day. sodastream. love your water.
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as we talked about before the break, some republicans concerned now that donald trump is going to lose so bigly, so to speak, that he could take the party's majority in congress down with him. let's find out what the panel thinks. do you think there's truth to that? or what would you advise down-ballot republicans, who are kind of wavering on -- because polls show there's -- if they disavow donald trump, they get hurt by his supporters, but if they embrace him, some more moderates or independents, disavow them? >> i would advise them to do exactly what marco rubio did and exactly what reince priebus has done. marco rubio said on day one, i signed a pledge, i support him. but he's not hesitant to say where he disagrees.
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reince priebus has done the same. he distanced himself when the video came out, but wholeheartedly said, this is what the people chose and i'm behind it. i think that's a clear path. you can support someone but not agree with every single thing they say or do. >> reince priebus and mitch mcconnell have been radio silent on this for a while. you were encouraging people to embrace the issues, not necessarily the person. >> absolutely. there are things i disagree with donald trump about. but wholeheartedly i support him, i'm going to vote for him, and do everything i can to help him get elected, because as a whole, what i think he can do for this country is far better than not only the democratic nominee but the other republican nominees. he was willing to tackle tough issues that politicians have not been willing to engage in discussions because of fear of blowback. and we're at a time in this country where i do think we have to establish what our borders are. i think that's clearly a tough discussion that most people don't want to enter into. it's tough to say, we've got to cut out things or reduce spending to get our budget back in order. nobody wants to do those things. and we keep seeing us go down the same old road. so i think they need to embrace those policies, which had him rise to where less today. >> carlos, is that the way down-ballot republicans should deal with this? >> i think down-ballot republicans are going to have a tough time no matter what they
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do. obviously, we're talking about nevada and pennsylvania, even thinking about places like florida. the place that i think a lot about for down-ballot republicans is a congressional race, where republicans have settled it for who knows how long. open seat. if they lose that, i think that paul ryan and the speakership could be in trouble. you know, we talk about 20 new votes, but i think that's a canary in the coal mine. i think pennsylvania matters for lots of reasons, include what could happen in the house. >> but for all the talk of destroying the republican party, there's still a lot of issues in the democratic party, as well. the huge sanders coalition you were part of want to see big change. it's not like they've all coalesced around clinton. and particularly as these weeks e-mails have come out, had those come out during the primary, that would have been a much bigger deal for secretary clinton. >> i think the wikileaks e-mails, in fact, reinforce and confirm everything that we bernie people were saying about the dnc and the clinton campaign colluding against bernie in the beginning. but that's then. this is now.
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and now there is, for -- speaking for the bernie camp, if you will, there's no doubt, if you really believe in the progressive agenda, you've got a choice between one of these two candidates and hillary clinton has already embraced most of it, and she certainly is the best shot of achieving the rest of it. but i have to say, look, i was democratic state chair of california. so the republican party doesn't normally call on me for advice. but my advice of down-ballot republicans right now is run for the hills. put as much distance as you can between yourself and donald trump, if you want to save your seat. and i think that's what the republican party is doing. we saw this ad -- >> but don't you alienate all those trump supporters who are going to be coming out on election day? >> look, i think you make it -- kevin said it earlier. you make it local and you sell yourself as the alternative to a hillary clinton rubber stamp in the senate. that's this ad that the chamber
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of commerce is running, saying, you need a republican senate to counter a democratic presidency. only salvation. >> the problem with what you're saying is the long game. you just laid out the recipe to become the next eric cantor. that is to say the next establishment republican who loses in a primary to a no-name professor and no media organization was even monitoring that election. that is the recipe to become the next person who loses your seat in a republican primary. >> i think the choice is, do you lose the white house, which you've already lost, or do you lose the white house, the senate, and the house? and that's the choice, facing republicans today. >> uh i think there's a third way for republicans, which i think the phrase is supreme court. and i think that it's very credible for any republican running, saying, no matter what happens, the next president is going to get to select two, maybe three nominees. and if it is secretary clinton who becomes is president-elect, you don't want the democrats to have that. so i would be talking supreme court, as hard as i could, knowing that two to three votes, maybe four could go to the
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president. >> there's always a danger of democrats becoming so confident and cocky that they don't actually come out to vote. are you actually concerned about that? because certainly, michael anjali from the wall street, who i think was the first to report, one of the things the trump campaign hopes to do is suppress democratic turnout through just, i'm not sure suppress is right word, but, you know, discourage democratic turnout. >> well, look, i think that it is imperative that the hillary campaign makes sure that they keep their foot on the gas and make sure that their voters turnout and don't get, i think more so, fatigued by all of this negativity that's been going on, which could happen, right? but, look, you know, he has to get a straight royal flush here. his map is collapsing. and so that's great for us. but, like, to your point, we really do have to make sure that our side doesn't get complacent. and that's just doing -- continuing the early voting, which is happening, and, you know, obama won, essentially, by getting, uh -- winning on the early voting side of things in 2012. so i think they have to have that, and voter registration, we're leading in some of these
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important battleground states, too. >> andre, what do you make of hugh hewitt's point? >> i don't believe that? i think they are so frustrated, they are at a bowling point. they've seen their wages remain the same, if not reduced. they've seen debt continue to be almost doubled in the last eight years. they're concerned with what we've got going on around the world. they look at things like nafta and say, he made a valid point. why are we disproportionately paying more than our fair share and why do we continue to be the world peacekeepers with no help from so many other countries that are well-heeled. and they're frustrated. they're saying, we don't take care of our folks at home, yet we continue to help folks abroad. there's a lot of disenfranchised voters out there. >> a lot more coming up, coming up. trump could lose utah and could lose it to a virtually unheard of candidate. how evan mcmullen is changing the game in utah. that's next.
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utah is about as red as it gets. republicans hold governor's office, both senate seats, every
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congressional district and vast majorities of the statehouse and the senate. in 2012, mitt romney won utah by nearly 50 points. so why is donald trump in danger of not only losing the state, but losing it to someone who few people have ever even heard of. phil mattingly tonight reports. >> reporter: donald trump has a very real utah problem. it's largely because of this man, evan mcmullen. >> our campaign is a three-month presidential campaign. >> reporter: haven't heard of him? you're not alone. in a year where third party candidates like gary johnson and jill stein have made waves, mcmullen has been an afterthought. yet he's now in position to have the largest impact of all three on the general election. he's in position to win utah. >> people like to say that mountain -- that utah is a republican state, or a deep red state. i say that it's a principled conservative state. >> reporter: for trump, trailing in the polls and with an extremely limited path to 270 electoral votes to begin with, it's a major headache. but it's one that has been
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percolating for months. and now appears to be peaking. a drive through salt lake city produces political yard sign after political yard sign, yet no hint of the presidential race. it's a reflection captured in the polls of the general disgust with the tone of this race. and one with roots in the state's dominant mormon mouth, and its gop leaders, who have been colded a trump's fiery and deeply offensive rhetoric. >> tic tacs in case i start kissing her. >> willing to pull their endorsements in the wake of revelations about crude remarks. >> i'm out. i can no longer endorse donald trump for president. i -- there's no possible way i'd vote for hillary clinton, but, these are abhorrent. >> or outright denounce the candidate altogether. >> now, i'm far from the first to conclude that donald trump lacks the temperament to be president. >> we knew all along, as did many americans, that donald trump was the type of guy who would talk about women the way
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he did in that tape. >> reporter: enter mcmullen, autonative, practicing mormon, former cia officer, and capitol hill staffer. what he lacks in national profile, he's made up for in increasing momentum in the state. steadily creeping up in the polls for months, trump's tape has sparked a moment for mcmullen and his running mate, mindy finn, one that has them leading in the state, according to at least one recent pull. >> what you'll tell us is you're offering us a glimmer of light. >> a single-state strategy is hardly a recipe for electoral success, but mcmullin's goals are two-fold. first, open the door to this exceedingly unlikely scenario. >> we've said if this race is very, very close between donald trump and hillary clinton, we could block them both. >> reporter: but second, given recent polling, create an alternative for those turned off by trump. >> if hillary clinton is
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dominating donald trump, what the outcome here in utah and ore states doesn't matter quite as much. we're saying, even in that case, stand on principle, stand for what you know is right, stand for the kind of leadership you would actually like to see in this country and let's build from there. >> phil joins me now. hillary clinton is also close in the polls in utah. what's her team doing out there? >> yeah, that's exactly right. evan mcmullin is not the only one who sees possibilities here. hillary clinton's team opened an office in the state, sent a field staffer here in august. and as you noted, president obama lost this state by more than 50 points. at that point, people kind of rolled their eyes and raised their eyebrows. now the clinton campaign is actually sending more staff out. the reality is this, anderson, hillary clinton has a hard ceiling here. she's not going to get above 25 or 30%, but with a diffuse electorate right now, three different candidates polling, that might just be enough. anderson? >> fascinating days. phil mattingly, thanks very
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much. back with the panel. is this just a fluke? just a one-off thing? >> talk about a never-trump. the last time we saw something like this was 1968, when george wallace won five states in the solid south, so was kind of a regional candidate. it would be interesting if he started to play in arizona. now, we haven't seen any sense that that will happen, but that would actually be really disruptive on a number of levels if he did that. i think what this points to is what would happen to the republican party if trump does lose and kayleigh and andre and others have been talking about, will there, in effect, be a little bit of a revolt? will some people get kantored, and how there trump supporters react to people like mitt romney, evan mcmullin, paul ryan, kevin ayotte and others who didn't support trump as the nominee. could be quite frac chus. >> trump has been. >> if he could easily seal the deal in utah by making a stop, this is about the supreme court, the mormon county deeply cares about decisions like hobby lobby, you can't force employers
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to provide contraception against their religious beliefs. you could end the argument with evan mcmullin and saying the stakes are too high. >> first of all, let's also add that the salt lake city tribune endorsed hillary clinton. i mean, pinch me, that we are sitting here, october the 22nd -- >> do you think newspaper endorsements really matter, anymore? >> i think in utah, they do. the salt lake city tribune is the word, right? but here we are, at this late in the game, and we're talking about questioning whether utah is going to be for donald trump? it's not just utah. arizona, which you talked about earlier. georgia, hillary clinton's ahead in georgia. texas, donald trump has a
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two-point lead in texas in the washington -- in the latest "washington post" survey. so there are so many states now that were normally always red, that are in play. this is unheard of. and again, i think we're north of 350 for hillary clinton. >> andre, do you believe these polls or do you believe that there are -- that there's a, you know, hidden electorate out there who's going to be coming out, that's not represented? >> well, number one, you know, good for him for running, but there's so much straight party voting right off the bat that we won't be the one that wins this. donald trump will win utah. i mean, it sounds great that they're polling him and he has a chance, but right off the bat, so many people pull that straight ticket lever, that both candidates, rs and ds are going to benefit for that. he's not going to do nearly as well as we think he does. he won't win utah. and the other question is, why? what's the purpose? you know, i heard the story, but, he really doesn't give us any -- he's not compelling, giving anybody any real reason to vote for him. there's -- i mean, he's a
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spoiler, at best. >> i think the question -- i mean, the "why" is because donald trump insulted their favorite son, you know? which is mitt romney, and, you know, they're reacting to that, as well. and all the other insulting, hateful things that donald trump has said in the last 16 months. look, and you have -- what's happening is you have the mormon community, essentially walking away from donald trump. i'm curious to see what's happening in idaho. you know, states like that, as well. so, look, to bill's point, you know, hillary clinton is expanding in the red states, you know, we're two weeks out. that's insane. you know, that's not supposed to be happening right now. there's also alaska. and let's remember, texas has 38 electoral college votes. if that's really up for grabs, this race is over. >> you know, i'll say that the two states that interest me the most is whether or not north carolina, which you expect a republican to win. obama obviously challenged. but there's clearly concern in the trump camp right now that that's way closer than they would like it to be. and andre will hate her for
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saying this, we just talked football, but that south carolina number, andre, has got to be uncomfortable for you, that that's in single digits right now. i know you're telling me that all the state office holders are republicans, but if south carolina were to flip for the first time since '76 when carter took it -- >> do you think that's possible? no. we just left vegas. let's get back on a plane. it is not going to happen. >> i want to agree with you, right? but i think what you're going to see, again, which is just unheard of, is that now you've got the blue all the way down the west coast, blue all the way down the east coast. mark my words, except for south carolina. georgia, florida, north carolina, virginia, for sure, and right up the east coast. so you're going to -- blue stripes down both coasts, except for south carolina, and that's only because of andre. >> i think we're dreaming -- >> the one thing we haven't
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talked fully enough about, we've talked about trump on the defense, but if he wanted to go on offense, what would a hail mary look like? we saw lebron james come back three to one. i think first off, he still needs 60 minutes-like interview that would staunch the bleeding and he would need melania there with him and he would fundamentally have to admit wrong and do it in a meaningful forum. >> i think it's too late. >> but you never know. the second thing i would say, finally, it's three or four policy speeches in a row that were really specific and substantiative, such that you've got those newspapers that no longer matter -- >> he should have done that three months ago. we're 17 days away. >> anthony bourdain describing how the brexit vote pretty much hijacked his latest episode of "parts unknown," and became part of the story. he and i go out for a really interesting dinner and discuss it. we'll be right back. it's a great school, but is it the right the one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers what's the savings there?
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this weekend on cnn, a an unexpected collision of politics and english cuisine. we went to a new york restaurant takashi and i talked to anthony
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that does it for us. thanks for watching. the following is a cnn special report. this is the story of my mother, hillary clinton. >> the most famous woman in the world. and perhaps the most controversial. >> i don't remember a time when my mom wasn't being attacked. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> i think there is a lot of scar tissue from the battles that she's fought. >> from first lady -- >> human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights. >> -- to senator. >> seeing it shows what a total hell it is.