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movies. many people in south korea, today, wolf, still doubt his story he was kidnapped by the north koreans. >> interesting. brian todd reporting for us. thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, the clinton campaign to bring comey down. cnn learns the fbi's verdict won't be revealed before election day. plus new polls tonight showing the race tightening around the country as donald trump says thank you, houma. and trump's path to victory includes north carolina, but will sex assault allegations kill his chances there? let's go "outfront." . good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. clinton versus comey. tearing into the fib director
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making the case he's playing politics. the campaign so seizing on news reports that james comey refused to call out russia for meddling in the u.s. election. they say he said it was too close to election day. clinton's campaign manager moments ago holding a conference call with reporters. >> it's impossible to view this as anything less than a blatant double standard. that director comey would show more discretion in a matter concerning a foreign state actor than one involving the democratic nominee for president is nothing short of jaw dropping. >> cnn has not been able to corroborate the cnbc and "huffi"huff ington post reporting but the fbi, racing to sort through thousands of e-mails found on anthony weiner's laptop computer. using specialized software to isolate e-mails they think may be pertinent to hillary clinton's entire review server.
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that could drag on well past election day. hillary clinton moments ago questioning the timing of the fbi director's actions. >> it's this new e-mail story about, you know, why in the world the fbi would decide to jump into an election without evidence of any wrongdoing with just days to go. if they want to look at some more e-mails of one of my staffers, but all means, go ahead, look at them, and i know they will reach the same conclusion they reached when they looked at my e-mails last year. right? >> meanwhile, donald trump not letting go of this issue. hammering it home. >> the investigation will last for years. nothing will get done. government will grind to a halt. and our country will continue to suffer. hillary's corruption is a threat to democracy. >> pamela brown is "outfront"
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tonight, pam, i know you've been talking to sources and have new information on the fbi director tonight. >> that's right. i spoke to a former colleague with with knowledge of director comey's thinking before and after the controversial letter was sent on friday and i'm told that director comey, despite all the controversy, is doing okay and that he still firmly believes that he did the right thing, that he was faced with two bad option and he did the lesser of the two bad options, but tonight he remains silent and we're told by people that it's unlikely we're going to hear any specifics from director comey any time soon on this investigation. tonight, the fbi is in a race against the clock. cnn has learned a team of agents is using special software at fbi facilities in quantico, virginia, to sift through thousands of newly discovered e-mails to isolate those relevant to the investigation of hillary clinton's private server. those e-mails will then be searched for classified information. a process that likely won't be resolved until after the election. in july, when director comey
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initially recommended no charges, he said no reasonable prosecutor would bring a case against clinton despite finding classified information on her private server. >> we don't want to put people in jail unless we prove that they knew they were doing something they shouldn't do. >> reporter: cnn has learned some of the e-mails found in a computer belonging to anthony wein weiner, estranged husband of longtime clinton aide huma abedin, passed through clinton's private server. a source says abedin has no idea how her e-mails ended up on her husband's computer. law enforcement sources say several weeks ago agents stumbled upon the new e-mails while investigating weiner's alleged sexting with a 15-year-old girl. comey found out amid october but wasn't fully briefed until last thursday. a day later he went against department of justice policy sending a vague letter to congress revealing the discovery of the e-mails over the objection of doj officials. tonight he's taking heat from every direction, even from his
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former boss, republican appointed attorney general, alberto gonzalez. >> i didn't understand it. i didn't understand what he was saying. what he was trying to say. i didn't understand the purpose of the letter. all of us somewhat perplexed about what director was trying to accomplish here. >> reporter: now comey is under intense pressure to publicly release more information before election day. >> we are in a very unusual situation, and it may be that in order to protect the integrity of this election, that he may need to say something else about what is -- in relation to this investigation. >> reporter: tonight, the white house spokesman say he would neither defend or criticize comey but acknowledged he's in a tough spot. >> he's the one who will be in a position to defend his actions in the face of significant criticism from a variety of legal experts including individuals who served in senior
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department of justice positions in administrations that were led by presidents in both parties. >> and at this point, we're told that investigators have no reason to believe that huma abedin was trying to obstruct the investigation by not turning over all the necessary e-mails initially and to be clear, erin, there's still a lot we don't know. there could be something in those new e-mails. there could be nothing. we just simply don't know, but what we do know is that process is well under way to figure out what is in those e-mails. >> all right. thank you very much, pamela brown. interesting as you heard, pamela breaking the news that someone who's talked to comey since all of this says he very much believes he did the right thing, he's standing by his decision. obviously this is something that has hillary clinton angry, the campaign very angry. joe johns is in cincinnati, ohio, where hillary clinton just wrapped up her rally. hillary clinton, joe, is pushing back against the fbi, doing so very strongly today. also, though, she's been trying to change the conversation back to trump. >> reporter: absolutely.
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she has been pushing hard to try to change the conversation back to donald trump accusing him of trying to confuse, to mislead the american public as well as suppress the vote. by the way, that is a charge that has been coming out of the trump campaign, directed at hillary clinton as well. she was in kent, ohio, elier today, among other things, essentially saying, i should say, making the case that there is no case that the fbi has and at the end of the day once they look at the e-mails, this new trove that's been discovered, they will determine as they did before that there was simply nothing there. hillary clinton, by the way, not traveling here in ohio with her longtime trusted aide, huma abedin. traveling instead with an individual who happened to be her director of protocol when she was at the state department. so she's wrapping up here in cincinnati. going back to new york then tomorrow to another battleground state, once again, the state of
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florida. we're expecting three stops there, hillary clinton hitting this issue hard, not shying away from it at all and trying to put the focus on both donald trump as well as the fbi director, erin. >> all right, joe johns, thank you. "outfront" now, jackie cusinich. keith boykin, former clinton white house aide. jeffrey lord who served as white house political director under president reagan. angela rye, former congressional black caucus. and criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, paul calan. also with me, chris swacker, the criminal investigative division. and quite a few questions to try to understand here, but let me just start with you, jackie, on this base issue. you just heard pam reporting, the fbi director is not backing down. >> no. >> he thinks he did the right thing and he stands by it, so if the clinton campaign thinks and the democrats think that they're going to scare him into saying, oh, there's nothing there, quickly, it doesn't sound like that's the direction he's going
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in. >> and that doesn't sound like director comey. he doesn't really scare easily. we've seen him in these positions over the course of his career and doesn't have the tendency to back down. they, politically, have every reason to fight this tooth and nail, vigorously as they possibly can, because we're in crunch time. they know, they can see around the margins maybe not around their core supporters, but they want the people who are thinking of voting for them to show them they're willing to fight tfor this. >> right. >> there are some clinton supporters this could be an issue for. i want to talk about those polls in just a moment. chris, first, let me ask you. basic question here which is why can't this be resolved more quickly? i understand, there are lots of e-mails here, right? thousands and thousands of e-mails. say, for example, some of the e-mails are duplicates of ones the fbi has already reviewed, right? do they have the ability to check that quickly, we've seen these e-mails, there's nothing here, and they can do that very
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quickly, or is that not possible? >> with the volume of e-mails they're dealing with, 650,000, they may be able to identify duplicates quickly. comey's original press conference, going back to the original agencies, getting their classification levels from the originating agencies. some of these documents may not be marked classified but they are, indeed, classified because of the content. so that's what takes a lot of time. i think he mentioned that in his first press conference. >> all right. so that could take time. the other question i have, chris, that came out today, i know with are talking about a very significant number of e-mails. huma abedin has said she has no idea that her e-mails were even on this device. she says it was her husband's device. she doesn't know that they were there. is that possible when we're talking about the sheer volume, is there a situation underwhich th that situation would make sense? >> it's possible. i don't think they're talking about a backup situation. i checked with some tech people and from my own investigation most of the time what you're dealing with is a synced up
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computer, synced up to a mobile device and that's probably what happened here. where everything that's goes through your mobile device ends up on your laptop, there's also a web server. and sometimes even backed up in the cloud. so there's a lot to work with here. it's possible she didn't know. that's something that we went know for quite a while. >> of course, if it was a backup, perhaps it was duplicates. paul, you hear tonight the clinton campaign seizing on those reports saying, look, fbi director comey, these are reports we have not corroborated. didn't want to name russia as meddling in the u.s. election because he doesn't want to influence the election. he doesn't seem to have a problem coming out a few days before the election saying i got more e-mails from hillary clinton. harry reid says director comey may have violated the law. there is a law, high-government officials other than the president and vice president can't engage in political activity. could he have broken the law? >> well, you can make the argument he did but two requirements present themselves.
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one, he has to influence the presidential election with his action. obviously he's done that in a big way. >> yeah. >> but secondly, he has to have no reasonable explanation, no good cause for having done what he did. now, comey, of course, says this was to clarify prior congressional testimony. i had an obligation to clear the record up. that's why i did it in the interest of openness -- >> this is a guy who certainly knows the laws very well and is standing by it. >> i don't think he violated the hatch act. >> 63% of voters, new "washington post" poll say this e-mail bombshell isn't going to influence their vote, okay? that's good news for you. 7% of clinton voters say it makes them seem less likely to support her. that's a lot of people. 7%. that would be the whole election. >> it is a lot of people, why i want to get back to the hatch act. sometimes you don't have to violate the letter of the law, you can violate the spirit of law. there's a cnn piece about this very thing. the reality of it is the numbers you just raised made it very
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clear he could have very well influenced the election. earlier this year, julian castro who sits at the h.u.d. -- why can't i think -- the cabinet -- >> cabinet secretary. >> thank you. the cabinet secretary at h.u.d. they said he violated the hatch act by endorsing hillary clinton at an official interview at h.u.d. so if that is influencing the election, why wouldn't this be influencing the election? we're talking about an agency, a department -- the department of justice says don't put anything out like this within f 60 days. we're less than two weeks out. how is that not influencing the election? >> it's influencing the election. the question is did he have good cause for revealing -- >> was he waiting to put something that would be very important for the qualification of a sitting president until after the election? >> so vague. this letter says there may be something he hasn't even seen yet. we don't even know if those e-mails are addressed to or from hillary clinton. that is a lot to put out there. >> at the end of the day, this
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is the problem of secretary clinton. had she been forthright, had she been honest, had huma done what she was supposed to do, had they not taken hammers to devices, had they not deleted 33,000 e-mails to begin with, none of this would have happen. so they can be upset with director comey all they want to. senator reid can complain. but at the end of the day, this goes back to the negligence and the incompetence of secretary clinton who should have known better. she sent an e-mail out to employees at the state department saying what you should not do. she should have noun better. they can complain but at the end of the day the buck has to stop with her. >> thanks to all. you're staying with me through the hour. next, new polls showing the race tightening in key states. does trump now have a cleaner, clearer path to 270? and how sex assault accusations against trump could kill his chances in a must-win state. and by the way, who is jim comey? >> i get a tenure term to ensure i stay outside of politics.
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tonight, donald trump making it personal, bringing up his young son at a rally to say why voters should elect him and not hillary clinton, after fbi director comey's bombshell e-mail announcement. >> you know, i have a son named baron, and i want to tell you, she is a terrible example for my son and for the children in this country, that i can tell you. hillary's corruption is a threat to democracy and the only way to stop it is for you on november 8th to show up at the polls and vote. >> does trump now have the upper hand? jim acosta is "outfront." >> reporter: it's the subject line for all of donald trump's
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rallies this week. hillary clinton's e-mails. >> i think we hit the mother load. >> reporter: trump is heaping praise on fbi director james comey for announcing late last week that federal investigators will be examining a new batch of e-mails possibly linked to clinton. >> it took guts for director comey to make the move that he made. i was not his fan. what he did, he brought back his reputation. >> reporter: trump's newfound respect for comey follows months of harsh criticism for the fbi director who said back in july that the bureau would not seek charges against clinton. >> i think the biggest rigging of all is what's happened with the fbi and the justice department with respect to hillary clinton because she's so guilty in so many different ways she shouldn't be allowed to run for president. right there the system is really rigged. >> reporter: trump suddenly has kind words for disgraced former congressman anthony weiner and estranged wife huma abedin. it prompted fbi interest in his
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laptop and rekindled the clinton probe. >> thank you, huma, thank you, anthony weiner. >> reporter: trump is pushing back on democrats who blame comey. >> this is the biggest scandal thi since watergate. clinton wants to blame everyone else for her mounting legal troubles but she's brought this on her self. >> reporter: specially with republicans like former attorney general alberto gonzalez taking issue with comey's actions. >> to throw out this kind of letter without more information, without really knowing what the facts are, with respect to these additional e-mails, i think was a mistake. >> reporter: polls show trump is closing in on clinton so she's expanding his own electoral map strategy with events in colorado, new mexico, michigan and wisconsin. states that once seemed out of his reach. still, trump advisers worry he could spoil this moment by wandering off message with overheated rhetoric. in michigan, he warned clinton will bring about a third world war. >> now hillary trapped in her
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washington bubble, that's blind to the lessons, wants to start a shooting war in syria. in conflict with a nuclear armed russia that could drag us into a world war iii. >> reporter: and in a message that sounded out of a halloween horror movie, he warned of ballots being cast by dead vo voters. >> get out and vote by the millions so they can't do anything. we can't let them take it away. >> reporter: and not all the headlines tonight are working to the advantage of donald trump. sources close to john kasich confirm the ohio governor has cast an absentee ballot. he wrote in john mccain, erin, not donald trump and we should point out for all this talk of trump's blue state strategy, he's shifting his focus back to more competitive battlegrounds. he has a full slate of events florida. >> all right. thank you. my panel back with me. interesting, john cakasich steadfastly refused to support donald trump, didn't go to the
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convention. yet to come out now and say he's voted and wrote in john mccain. there's a lot of people, republicans and even some democrats, who had seen john kasich as somebody they admired. >> i've talked to people who've written in john kasich when they actually voted, so, yeah, he definitely represents a part of the republican party that never could find it in their heart to support donald trump. now, is john kasich looking down the line for his own political ambitions down the line? not to be too cynical. i would have been more shocked if i heard he'd voted for donald trump than him writing in john mccain. >> jeff, now, look, this is now someone coming in a name, a lot of people said, there are people, we all know people who say i don't know what i'm going to do until i walk in the voting booth. >> right. >> maybe i'll write someone in, i'm not sure, will i write in mitt romney, will i write -- disaffected republicans who have stalki in talking about that. you have john kasich coming out saying i did it. >> john kasich voted for hillary clinton, effectively what he's done. believe me, republicans will
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remember. republicans who want to run for president, refuse to support the presidential nominee of their party, duly selected by their voters, are saying to people, frankly, folk, i don't care. he doesn't care. he made it perfectly clear. we get it. >> this comes, keith, as donald trump has been ramping up his rhetoric. he stayed on message today. talked about a lot of e-mails. he didn't start down some cul-de-sac and bring up something different. this is the second time he said hillary clinton could start a world war iii. some of his supporters are saying horrible things. one of them speaking yesterday before trump spoke at a rally in las vegas. here's what he said. >> the peasants, the taxpayers with pitchforks, jackhammers and blow torches are headed for washington, d.c. we're coming to kick your ass. and we're coming to put you in prison.
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>> he continued to say he wanted to see a thelma and louise ending for hillary clinton and huma abedin. is this going to turn anybody off who isn't already turned off to drup kronald trump? >> it's so sad where we are today that we've come to the point even this kind of outrageous language is considered predictable, considered acceptable almost because it's donald trump. we've never had a candidate like this before. and unfortunately, we have this guy who's threatened 2nd amendment solutions. the idea of assassinating a candidate for president as an option for political discourse. >> who said that? >> your candidate, donald trump, threatened an assassination of hillary clinton. >> that is not true. >> 2nd amendment remedies. >> that is absolutely not true. >> that's where people like his surrogates -- >> no. >> when the fish rots from the head, when the candidate, himself, is speaking like that -- >> meaning 2nd amendment supporters will turn out to vote against her, that's what it means. >> you know exactly -- >> i do know exactly.
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>> it's shameful you and others would continue to support someone like trump. >> by the way, a joke that democratic -- candidates for president have made, not this one, but others in the past. totally inappropriate but it has happened. angela, let me ask you, there was an issue at a trump rally on saturday. horrible chant that came up. and a trump supporter was chanting, the campaign manager kellyanne conway did come out and say it was disgusting. let me just play how it went down. [ crowd chanting "usa" ] >> that man's conduct was deplorable, and had i been there, i would have asked security to remove him immediately. clearly, he doesn't speak for the campaign or the candidate. and, you know, i think what he had to say was disgusting. >> is that enough? >> no, it's not. i think, you know, first of all, i applaud kellyanne, you know, making it very clear they want
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to distance themselves from this deplorable behavior. unfortunately, she failed to remove herself from her candidate's behavior. the very first thing -- not the first thing he said, but the very first press conference announcing his candidacy, he called mexicans rapists and drug dealers, and every turn since then, and in so many instances before he ever decided to run for president, he's used some of the same rhetoric. about women. about black people. about latinos. this is the reality of this particular campaign. keith hit the nail on the head. this is something where it absolutely comes from the top. and this person has demonstrated consistently that he doesn't respect people with different ideals, women who are his peers on the stage, he cannot handle hillary clinton being that way. she's a nasty, nasty woman. >> right, his words. >> yeah. >> it's very simple. secretary clinton doesn't respect the law. secretary clinton -- >> that's not true. >> her team doesn't respect the law. >> donald trump, 75 pending lawsuits against him?
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you actually have the audacity to say that? >> i have the audacity to point out the fbi isn't investigating donald trump. >> it doesn't sound that way. it sounds like paul manafort -- >> twice for secretary clinton because she continuously -- >> i wonder why. >> -- goes down this path and weaves this 3 spider web on halloween of deceit and lies and hiding behind the truth. >> i don't think that hillary clinton's the one that's been deceiving and lying. >> her team. >> actually, if you look at politifact, it's very clearly donald trump. you all -- >> it's true. >> pause there. all staying. next, donald trump campaigning in three states today and tomorrow. all of them leaning democrat. but he doesn't think so. what is behind this strategy? and evangelical voters in battleground north carolina struggling with a difficult choice. >> i'm not a big donald trump fan. i'm a pragmatist who is also a christian. changes to make things right. first, all customers who have been impacted will be fully refunded.
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tonight, a dire warning from donald trump as he makes a major play for michigan which is, of course, a traditionally blue state. >> hillary clinton's immigration plans mean generations of terrorism, extremism, and radicalism spreading into your schools and communities all over michigan. >> our political director david chalian is "outfront." trump in gn begmichigan making e against clinton, a terrifying one. a state that leans democrat. why was he there thinking he can turn it? >> not just michigan, other blue states he's been visiting, erin, seeing an opportunity and the
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mathematical necessity. noted michigan today, he's headed to wisconsin, pennsylvania. this weekend he was in colorado and new mexico. all territory leaning blue, leaning in hillary clinton's direction. here's why. this is the battleground. this is where things stand. all those yellow states are the tossups and remember, if we give eery one of them, nevada, utah, arizona, florida, north carolina, ohio, to donald trump, if he were to sweep them all, he's still not there, so he's got to go someplace into hillary clinton's turf to try to turn some blue state red and we have new poll out tonight, if you look up here in new hampshire, this is part of her firewall, and look at this. brand new poll numbers tonight out of new hampshire, 46% to 39%. hillary clinton still has a seven-point lead in new hampshire which means her blue wall of defense is holding right now. >> all right. so if that's holding, obviously a lot of this comes down to what's going to be the impact of
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the e-mails, sexual assault allegations. look, more than 20 million americans have already voted. it's a really high number. when you look at that, david, what you see, in terms of who is it better news for right now? >> well, yes, look at this. 23,131,076 ballots have been cast. we're seeing a slight advantage to the democrats in the early vote. look at north carolina specifically, one of the key races that if hillary clinton is able to win north carolina, which barack obama lost four years ago, she would throw up a significant road block to donald trump and look at the early v e voting numbers here. you see here you got about a 15-point lead in terms of democrat ballots versus republican ballots. not as big as the 19-point lead 4 years ago. in fact, democrats are slightly underperforming where barack obama was four years ago. look at that. that is a significant advantage right now. democrats hope as early
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in-person voting continues to increase to even make up more ground and that would be a huge victo victory if hillary clinton can pull that together in north carolina. that would block donald trump from the white house. >> right. a must-win state for donald trump. thank you very much, david. with hillary clinton and donald trump locked in such a tight race for north carolina, all eyes are on the evangelical vote, that's what could decide it. it is a vote that is now split over whether to back the republican nominee. jessica schneider is "outfront." ♪ we welcome you with praise >> reporter: inside north carolina evangelical churches, the mood joyous. >> in a season in our country where we're so divided. >> reporter: leaders acknowledging, though, the faithful are struggling. >> i'm seeing stress this year like i've never seen before. >> reporter: pastor chad harley leads the raleigh free assembly church. >> now genesis chapter 12. >> reporter: most of his members are rallying for trump. >> oh, it wasn't easy at all. it was a very difficult decision because if i just look at donald trump as a man, there's no way
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that i would even consider voting for him but i have to look at the much bigger picture. >> reporter: for marquis pace it comes down to his own antiabortion stance and future of the supreme court, but with trump's three marriages, and the release of that "access hollywood tape" -- >> you can do anything. grab them by the pussy. >> reporter: some are asking is the republican ticket the pais pick? white evangelicals propelled mitt romney to a narrow victory in the state in 2012. they made up about a third of all voters. >> his lifestyle hasn't been one that is representative of values i hold. i don't believe he's honest when he takes -- says he's pro-life. >> reporter: jesus morales is never trump. he and his wife plan to vote for evan mcmullin, the republican running as an independent. he's on the ballot in 11 states but not north carolina so they'll have to write him in as their vote. >> i can't vote for someone who has been so ignorant in his
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behavior toward women and toward handicap people, especially. >> reporter: and you are handicap. >> yes. i'm legally blind and it's insulting to me that he can make fun of the handicap community and no one has called him out on it. >> i personally plan to vote reluctantly and, like, for trump. not that i in any way, like, would want to, like, endorse him as a person. >> reporter: it's been a hard decision for you. >> oh, absolutely. >> reporter: rachel miller is 22 years old. a millennial and prime target for the not who we are pac, a superpac devoted to defeating donald trump. releasing this muse ic video ad featuring popular christian musician william matthews. >> donald trump is dangerous. >> reporter: radio host steve nobel voted early for trump, a pick he struggled with. >> i got to to what i can to stop hillary. i'm not endorsing donald trump. i'm not a big donald trump fan. i'm a pragmatist who is also a
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christian. >> reporter: and steve noble cast his ballot for donald trump on friday. he tells me he doesn't feel good about that decision, in fact, joking that afterwards he felt the need to confess and repent but nevertheless, he is advising his listeners to vote for donald trump who he sees as the lesser of two evils. now in the latest cnn poll conducted october 20th through 23rd, 72% of white evangelicals are breaking for donald trump with 21% for hillary clinton. and erin, a lot of the people i spoke with on sunday do say they plan to vote early to make official a decision that has been very tough for them. erin? >> all right. jessica u tha jessica, thank you. i want to bring back my panel. jeffrey, let me start with you. fascinating report there. that is a group he needs to win overwhelmingly. okay, he's getting the majority of them. he needs those votevoters. >> they're going to have to make the decision in terms of religious liberty, the control of the supreme court by people,
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originalists who believe in the constitution. hillary clinton's election would plunge us immediately, because of all of this e-mail business, into a constitutional crisis. and they really got to make a decision here because in effect, if they choose not to vote for donald trump, they are voting for hillary clinton, however, they might wish to persuade themselves otherwise. >> which is the case you're trying to make for john kasich and others. you heard the woman at the man jessica's speech, i'm a christian but i'm a pragmatist. peter tiel, trump supporters, openly gay, giving millions of dollars. been slammed for it in silicon valley. spoke out today about why he supported donald trump and it made me think of him when i heard that man. let me just play what he had to say. >> nobody thinks his comments about women were acceptable. i agree. they were clearly offensive and inappropriate. but i don't think the voters pull the lever in order to endorse a candidates' flaws.
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it's not a lack of judgment that leads americans to vote for trump. we're voting for trump because we judge the leadership of our country to have failed. >> i thought what he said there was fascinating. "people don't pull the lever in order to endorse a candidate's flaws." >> i'd like to say two things. one, to jeffrey's point, the e-mail business matters. but it is wrong to say it will pull us into a constitutional crisis. let's keep our scandals separate. it is a problem. i've just written about it. i think it matters. but to compare it to a constitutional crisis such as watergate is not historically accurate. to get to mr. thiel's comments, what's fascinating for all of us who care about politics in this country is that when evangelical protestants became activists, politically active in the 1970s, they cared about something
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called the character issue. they came and said, we want -- we care about the content of the character of the person we're voting for. now, the pragmatic argument that jerry falwell jr. made on this program meant that it didn't matter so much anymore, that now they -- and that's interesting. >> right, that's what he was saying, i want a ceo, not a pastor. >> fascinating to nose who cath who care about politics, young evangelicals are saying, no, we're not going to walk along this road with you, we still care about the content of the character. so mr. thiel's comments aside, what's fascinating is we watch the evangelical vote is the extent to which the older pragmatists, the veterans of the moral majority years, are going to have sway over the younger people who are saying, wait a second, there's deep hypocrisy here in us supporting someone who is violating every moral tenet we hold dear. >> that would be hillary
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clinton. >> but so -- >> quick final word to you, jackie. >> at liberty university, jerry falwell jr., he's the chancellor, i'm going to say that wrong, a group of students were revolting because they were angry about the trump endorsement. they wrote a letter and it was actually pulled from the student paper. to your point, this is happening not only in north carolina but across the country with young evangelicals who won't accept this. >> all right. thanks to all. next, a former attorney general who worked for george w. bush on why james comey is wrong. michael mukasey is my next guest. plus who is huma abedin? and should hillary clinton part ways with her? there's nothing more important than your health. or the freedom to choose what doctor you want to see. so if you're on medicare, consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company.
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fbi director james comey has just told the fbi and justice t department officials he disdooet plan to give the up. lick additional updates. comey is a target of scathing and bipartisan criticism tonight, hammered over the timing of the announce pt tment the clinton e-mail investigation. it's putting his past back in the spotlight as well. tom foreman is "outfront." >> reporter: careless, he may have broken the law and he should resign. just some of the furious cries piling up around james comey. >> i think this was a terrible err in judgment. >> reporter: the attacks mainly by democrats have been nonstop since the fbi director said more e-mails have come to light in the clinton investigation. >> if he thinks they're significant or not significant, let him come forward and say why. >> reporter: but if anyone can withstand the pressure, it may be comey who is as a teenager was held at gunpoint in his family's new jersey home by a
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notorious criminal. now 55, a graduate of william and mary and a family man, he's handled plenty of high-stakes cases, prosecuting the gambino crime family, investigating terrorist activity, even sending martha stewart to prison. and he's not afraid to stand up to power. former u.s. attorney general john ashcroft was gravely ill in 2004, some officials in the george w. bush white house, ashcroft to approve a controversial wiretap program. comey raced to his hospital bed to back them down. >> i was very upset. i was angry. i thought i'd just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they'd been transferred to. >> secretary clinton said i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail, there is no classified material. is that true? >> there was classified material e-mailed. >> reporter: comey was just as steely when he announced no
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criminal charges against hillary clinton. republicans rage he was covering for the obama administration. comey's response -- >> i lead an organization that is resolutely apolitical. >> reporter: he was a registered republican most of his life, although he says not anymore. president obama is offering at least a little cover from democratic fire. >> the president doesn't believe that director comey is intentionally trying to influence the outcome of an election. >> reporter: but does comey even want such support? it's hard to say. he rarely answers critics directly and he once told congress decisions like those the fbi has to face should be made by people who don't give a hoot about politics. >> all right. tom, thank you. "outfront" now, former u.s. attorney general under president george w. bush, michael mukasey. thank you very much for being with me. so i want to get to this. fbi director comey says if he didn't notify congress about these new e-mails, he felt he could be hiding relevant information before the election. and our reporter pam brown is
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now saying that tonight he still feels he did the right thing, he has no regrets about this letter that he sent to congress on friday. do you think he did the right thing? >> well, given that he was where he was, he may very well have done the right thing because remember, he had said that no charges should be brought, that the case was closed, that no further investigating we ining be done. in those circumstances when you hear there are tens of thousands more e-mails, you have is to do something. my issue is he should not have been where he was. >> right. i want to give you a chance to talk about that because i know you think he made the wrong decision when he said there was no reason for charges, but i think it's very interesting what you're saying. it was different than what former attorney general gonzalez said. you're saying given where he is when he found out about these e-mails, you think he did have an obligation to come forth and let the public know. >> he's at a situation where not saying something is as much of a statement as saying something. not saying something is saying there's nothing there. >> he doesn't know. >> not disclosing it. >> right. >> when he doesn't know. if it comes out later on that
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there were tens of thousands of e-mails, there would be some question about the legitimacy of the result of the election. if mrs. clinton were elected. >> so you think he may have well done the right thing. now obviously comey has said, this is what hillary clinton is now saying, fine, look at the e-mails, you came to the conclusion of my e-mails there was nothing there. he said he found no reason to charge her after a full year-long investigation and he was very definitive about it. here he was. >> the appropriate resolution of this case was not with a criminal prosecution. we went at this very hard to see if we could make a case. we did not find evidence sufficient to establish that she knew she was sending classified information. >> he was definitive. >> i know, he was definitive in what he said. what he said was not accurate. >> now how -- whooy do you thin it was not accurate? >> he said we went at this very hard to make a case, i know what it look like when the fbi goes
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after something very hard to see if they can make a case. they ask the justice department to use a grand jury to get evidence. they interview the subject of the investigation at the beginning, not at the end, and they doggedly pursue evidence. here none of those things was tone. >> so you don't think they did their full job at that time, you know, a lot of people defended him at the sometime. obviously now everyone's sides have switched. peter king , republican who supports trump, defended comey back then when donald trump obviously was slamming him every time he got a chance. here's what peter king said about thome. >> i think it's a mistake for republicans to somehow think comey was in on a fix so he was rigging something. he's of unimpeachable integrity. he could have indicted hillary clinton if he wanted to, there was enough evidence there. he made a very good case saying why he didn't. >> i like peter king. peter king is a friend of mine. peter king knows nothing at all about investigating cases. okay? number one, this wasn't comey's
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call. it is not his function. as director of the fbi to decide who gets charges and who doesn't. it's his function to gather evidence and he didn't fulfill that function very well, but it's certainly not his function to get up, whether charges should be brought or whether a reasonable prosecutor would ever bring them. >> it could sound thlike then fm your thinking in july, you would sleb celebrating what he's doing now. certainly no bias for hillary clinton by coming out with this ten days before the election, right? in fact, he's being accused of the opposite, harry reid saying he's violating the hatch act and playing politics. >> that's baloney. no, i'm not celebrating it. i don't think he should have been in this fix. i don't think he should have put either himself or the bureau or justice department in this. >> the issue of the hatch act just to be clear, ba wlovillonb don't think there's any violation there? >> no. it's sort of them using talking points for 3 1/2 seconds but it's not serious. >> all right. thank you very much. i appreciate your time, michael mukas mukasey. former attorney general.
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"outfront" next top clinton aide huma abedin off the trail again today. she's always by hillary clinton's side but not in the past few days. can clinton cut ties with a woman that she's called her second daughter? if something doesn't seem right, so everyone comes home safely. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
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tonight, huma abedin, again, not on the campaign trail with hillary clinton, the third day in a row she has stayed behind after being a constant shadow for clinton. there's no word on whether she'll return one week out from election day. it is no secret, clinton and abedin are incredibly close. so close, clinton's called her a second daughter. will clinton cut abedin loose now? brian todd is "outfront." >> reporter: tonight one of hillary clinton's closest confidants may have become one of her big ef liabilities. huma abedin is again being pushed unwillingly into the spotlight after the fbi director said e-mails related to the clinton server investigation show eed up on a laptop compute
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owned by abedin's estranged husband, anthony weiner. sources tell cnn the fbi discovered those e-mails when it was investigating a report that weiner exchanged sexually suggestive messages with a 15-year-old girl. a source familiar with the investigation says abedin was surprised that weiner's computer contained e-mails that may belong to abedin and there's no indication at the moment that abedin did anything wrong. >> i think huma's been completely cooperative with the authority. >> but tonight, she is off clinton's plane. sources say she is lying low. there are reports that she is hunkered down at home. abedin and clinton's relationship stretches 20 years. dating back to when abedin was a white house intern. stolen campaign e-mails released
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by wikileaks show she is at times both clinton's helper and historian. it was clinton who reportedly encouraged abedin to go on a date with then-new york congressman anthony weiner. they married in 2010. bill clinton officiated. but then came weiner's sexting scandals starting in 2011, breitbart news posted racy images of weiner in his underwear that he reportedly sent to another woman. abedin stayed by his side. two years later when he was running for mayor, more expressive images were revealed. he used a pseudonym to send sexually charged images to women. >> i love him. i have forgiven him. i believe in him. as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> reporter: some in the clinton orbit believe abedin should have broken ties with weiner then and were especially frustrated when they learned she had agreed to participate in a behind the scenes documentary of weiner's mayoral run. one point in the film, abedin
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clearly looks agitated as weiner apologizes to his staff. >> the level of guilt and pain that i feel, i'm very sorry i put everyone in this position. >> just moments ago, i received a statement from huma abedin's attorney, karen dunn, miss dunn say in the statement from the beginning huma abedin has been fully and voluntarily cooperating with state department and law enforcement firms, that that cooperation has been praised by members of congress. the attorney karen dunn said miss abedin only learned for the first time on friday from press reports of the possibility that a laptop belonging to mr. weiner could contain e-mails of hers and she says that while the fbi has not contacted them about this, miss abedin will continue to be, as she has always been, forthcoming and cooperative. the headline there, erin, the fbi according to the attorney not contacting them yet about this part of the investigation. >> a fascinating development. brian todd, thank you. i want to go straight to david gergen, adviser to four presidents including reagan and
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clinton. david, the big question here, huma abedin is always by hillary clinton's side. they are friends. they are colleagues and psychologically obviously she's very important to hillary clinton. is there any way that she would cut ties with her? >> she should not now. huma has been intensely loyal to hillary for 20 years, and in turn hillary must be loyal to her now. and frankly, you don't want to do this right before the election, anyway. what i do think is that during the transition, if there is a transition, if mrs. clinton is elected, they're going to have to let this investigation play out and see whether it has, removes all the clouds over huma, which case i think it's a lot easier for her to come back and be by mrs. clinton's side or whether, in fact, she's going to face legal issues of her own which it will be difficult to come back. there's the additional question, erin, can she get security clearance if she comes into the government and has anything to
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do with national security? >> which, of course, i know is a question comey raised about clinton, herself. thank you very much, david gergen. >> yep. >> thanks for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts right now. and good evening from washington. thanks for watching. we have just across the street from the white house. a week and a day from now, voters will choose the next occupant. just eight days for presidential campaign that adds up to almost no tomorrows. for the trump and clinton campaigns, that means there's almost no time left to capitalize on bad news for the other side or perhaps just as important for the other side to recover from it. so we begin tonight just eight days out with new developments in the one piece of news that has dominated the headlines since it broke on friday, the discovery of e-mails on a device seized from the computer shared by top clinton adviser houma a abedin and estranged husband anthony weiner. james comey to reveal their existence. hillary clinton saying in her own words, t