nearing final decisions over some top cabinet positions. but inside the broader transition team, there's already a struggle over over these big decisions between the more traditional republicans and steve bannon, the two power centers in trump's world. the battle for appointments to president-elect donald trump's cabinet being called a knife fight and buffoonery, according to sources within his transition team. with potential picks for west wing and key national security posts drawing sharp internal disagreements. >> i think you'll hear some additional appointments. >> reporter: but today inside trump tower, president-elect trump and mike pence are hunkering down. the positions to be possibly nailed down as early today include secretaries of state, education, commerce, and treasury. >> he's a nightmare, and he's the chief adviser to the president of the united states now.
>> reporter: this as the appointment of steve ban bannon as trump's chief strategist continues to draw sharp rebuke, critics citing his close ties to the alt-right movement, known for white nationalism and anti-semitism. >> i work closely with mr. ban bannon. he's been the general of this campaign. frankly, people should look at the full resume. i'm personally offended you'd think i'd manage a campaign where that would be one of the going philosophies. it was not. >> reporter: and new concerns over conflict of interest are emerging with trump considering seeking top security clearance for his adult children and son-in-law, according to a transition team source. >> we'll be in new york and take care of the business. >> reporter: no paperwork has been filed, but the children could have access to secure communications technology, travel schedules, and secret service procedures. mean while, trump and russian president vladimir putin speaking by phone. the two men discussing the need for joint efforts in the fight against common enemy number one, international terrorism and extremism. all this as deep domestic divisions remain. anti-trump demonstrators
protesting across the country for the sixth straight day. >> we reject the president-elect! >> and a trump transition adviser says it is possible that there could be some cabinet level appointments coming out today once these final picks have been made. very clear today, chris, as trump huddles with mike pence that no final decisions yet. >> all right, sunlen. thank you very much. appreciate it. we have what's going on in trump world, then we have what's going on in obama world. president obama taking to the world, maybe on a trip to kind of calm concerns about what just happened in the american election. he's going to germany. he's going to peru. and he's going to be looking to reassure american allies, we're told, that are maybe a little rattled by what a trump administration could mean. we have cnn's michelle kosinski traveling with the president, live in athens, greece, the first stop. how's it going? >> reporter: it's going well so far. the president just arrived.
but yeah, use the word rattled. that's how president obama described many times over the last year world leaders at the prospect of a trump presidency. so a big chunk of his dealings with them has been to reassure them that u.s. policies and relationships would be well. well, now a much different horizon as president obama's n sun sets and we're hearing from him for the first time post-election. president obama touches down on his final foreign trip in athens. first at home while the incoming trump team feverishly prepares to run america, the outgoing president addressed the press and world after what he didn't think could happen did. >> and that's why ensuring a smooth transition is so important. it's not something that the constitution explicitly requires, but it is one of those norms that are vital to a functioning democracy. >> reporter: that sounded like both reassurance as well as a dig, almost a warning as he's
asked point-blank, are you concerned about a trump presidency. >> he's coming to this office with fewer set hard and fast policy prescriptions than a lot of other presidents might be arriving with. i don't think he's ideological. ultimately, he's pragmatic in that way. and that can serve him well. do i have concerns? absolutely. of course i've got concerns. one of the things i advised him to do was to make sure that before he commits to certain courses of action, he's really dug in and thought through how various issues play themselves out. >> reporter: he said in his meeting with the president-elect last week, donald trump did express a commitment to nato, despite his rhetoric on the trail, and is now rethinking what parts of obamacare he might preserve. >> i think it's important for us
to let him make his decisions, and i think the american people will judge. >> reporter: wanting to put some optimism there, even as a still shell-shocked party picks up the pieces, the president saying reflection will be healthy for democrats and for donald trump. >> there are going to be certain elements of his temperament that will not serve him well unless he recognizes them and corrects them. if things get worse, then the american people will figure that out pretty quick. and if things get better, then more power to him. and i'll be the first to congratulate him. >> reporter: president obama clearly wanted to get his point across here. he said that campaigning is not governing, that sound bites are not policies. he did say he believes donald trump is sincere in wanting to make america better, but he needs to reach out to certain groups like minorities and women. chris? >> all right, michelle kosinski,
enjoy the trip. thank you very much. let's discuss the latest on trump's transition to the white house with cnn political analyst and "new york times" correspondent patrick healy and cnn political analyst david gregory. brother healy, what are you hearing from your sources about what this dynamic is and is not within trump-dom? >> trump sources telling me they want to end the knife fight story quickly, that there are tensions inside the emerging power centers, not only within the campaign, but tensions around secretary of state, attorney general, who else is coming into the white house. now they have this extra level of questions about the kids and the security clearances. what they have made very clear to me is that donald trump spent almost a year bashing hillary clinton about her handling of classified material and who saw that classified material, whether it was her daughter chelsea, whether it was huma abedin, jake sullivan, how they handled it. he does not want to face any
kind of a situation where he's talking to ivanka trump, who is one of his closest advisers, and questions come up from congress, should you have been sharing that information with ivanka trump? so they're trying to tighten things up. they don't like where things have gotten in terms of story lines about these pressures. >> so david, why would the kids need security clearance? i mean, what patrick is saying is he'll be talking to them a lot about policies. is that going to be their role in the white house? >> look, it could be. these are two, in kushner and ivanka, they have been very closed ed advisers. i think they've been to the president-elect a kind of voice of reason, a reality check on him, people that he trusts very much. they've played an increasingly important role. there's nothing usual or orthodox about how trump has gone about his organization and his team of advisers. i think at this juncture, as much as there's talk about separating what they do and
having them focus on the bids, i think he wants them to be close and advise him. i think what pat is getting at, too, what's very important for this team right now is that they don't come off as disorganized. there's every reason that can happen, both because of the cultural fights within this inner circle and applying that to a new role, which is to organize the government, something he doesn't have experience doing. >> well, the relevant question about this infighting, there's always infighting in these kind of things. are you picking up anything that's unique to this dynamic that should be of concern? >> what they keep pushing back is that this isn't that unusual. you have a guy who's never been in politics. it's the first president really since eisenhower who hasn't had any kind of direct government experience, held public office before. and you're in uncharted territory. this is a guy who doesn't necessarily have a kitchen cabinet of executives or fellow politicians who have been through security clearances before. he has his children. he relies on his children. he wants the children to take
over the companies. he wants them advising on who smart hires are. he wants to be able to spitball ideas like he has for years with them. so i think the tension -- also, though, the personalities. you two know rudy giuliani extremely well. he's someone who was solid behind donald trump, who president-elect trump really came to rely on. during the years, even when giuliani was mayor of new york, i think trump had a lot of respect for how he didn't put up with, you know, much guff. i think he liked that. you're seeing people around giuliani who are pushing for an announcement of some kind. >> so now there's talk that rudy giuliani wants secretary of state or that he will become secretary of state, but the other name in contention is former ambassador john bolt bannon. so rudy giuliani was at an event last night and asked about this. let me play this for you. >> john would be a very good choice.
>> is there anybody better? >> maybe me, i don't know. >> okay. he's being coy, sort of. what do you think is going to happen? >> look, i think that trump values loyalty above all else. rudy giuliani has been a scrapper for him, a street fighter for him. if he then wants to turn out to be the chief diplomat, it might make you scratch your head a little bit. but if you go back over giuliani's career postpost-9/11 makes more sense. this is someone who developed a voice in national security and foreign policy as a result of 9/11. i think he wants to bring that to bear. he's talked about the top priority being fighting isis. i would look for giuliani to play that role. if he doesn't want attorney general, i would have thought that would be something he wanted more. to this other point about divisions, it's important to look at some recent history. the bush team didn't have any ideological divisions in their team. huge divisions with regard to national security as that
progressed post-9/11. you think about the obama white house. there was a pragmatic streak. then you had david axelrod, who was the keeper of the flame in terms of progressive ideology. here you have a much bigger schism within the republican ranks, an establishment vision in a reince priebus and a guy like steve bannon who is very much the strident, populist, controversial for things at breitbart that he said and published, that creates a lot of anxiety here. >> how much are you hearing, patrick, about negative reaction to bannon within the ranks as they try to expand the tent of getting in talent to work the government? >> not a lot of negative reaction, at least within that camp. they've known steve bannon for months. they knew the breitbart attacks, you know, were going to come. the feeling is that they think they've done an effective job separating bannon from breitbart, as hard as that seems to do, sort of saying, you know, breitbart has published a lot of
columns, a lot of stories, provocative headlines. so does "the new york post," fox news, again sort of making explanations. they feel like they're okay in the place they are, where there isn't a lot of tape coming out of steve bannon's mouth, you know, comments that can be sort of hung around his neck. they think they're going to get through this. >> okay. guys, thanks very much for all of the insight. we're going to talk about it more up next because these transition tensions, there are internal disagreements over who will be in trump's cabinet. what exactly is going on in the war room? we have a member of the trump transition team who will take us inside. ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there.
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so as president-elect donald trump looks to finalize his cabinet, sources inside his transition team describe a knife fight unfolding between traditional mainstream conservatives and the nonestablishment outsiders who supported his campaign. joining us now is someone who is on the inside. congresswoman from tennessee, member of president-elect donald trump's transition team executive committee, marsha
blackburn. known to be very good with a knife. no, you want to dispel this notion, i am sure. tell us why you don't believe there's any knife fight going on within the transition. >> well, because there is not. and chris, i think it's so important to realize this new transition team and new prosp t prospective administration has been in place now for not even a week. we're one week past the election. they're in the process of everything standing up, and there are going to be wonderful, robust conversations about the type of people and the type of skill sets needed at different departments in order to get these departments functioning and working and right sizing again. those are going to be priorities. what you want to do is match the skill set to the needs of the department. that means you need to have individuals that are good at
analysis and defining problems. you need to have individuals that are good at execution and are change agents. then you're going to need those that can maintain the existing. but i think it is a little over the top. just like some of the prognosticating was a little over the top, to say there's any type of knife fight going on. >> all errors are not equal. if we held you to that standard, you'd never be right about anything in washington, d.c., now, would you? >> i would take issue with that one. >> i'm sure you would. >> i have always told my constituents, you may not always agree with me, but you're going to know where i stand. >> well, that's true. but you try to get things right. when you don't, you move on and try and do better the next time. >> and you admit it and you make it right. >> how do you make it right? how do you make a false prediction in a poll right
afterwards? do you adjust your polls? what would you do afterwards? >> i think that you all with the predictions that you got wrong, you need to say we were wrong on that. now we're going to do our part to inform the american people, instead of spending air time talking about disagreement, what if we talk about how many people are in a president's cabinet, the number of federal agencies out there, what those agencies do. you know, chris, one of the most fruitful things that we participated in this fall was on constitution day, doing google hangouts with our high schools and doing the education on the constitution and the responsibility of the american voter to the constitution and to the union of these 50 states. i would love to see that type activity coming from you all. donald trump is going to have a very successful administration. donald trump and his team are going about putting this
administration together the right way. they're assessing the situation, defining the problems, getting the right person in the right queue. that's what you want to do as you build an organization. successful organizations are built, and they are handled by having the right person doing the right job so that they can be successful thereby the country. >> so let me ask you about who's the right people. rudy giuliani. there was some talk he might be attorney general. now he says he's not. can you think of a better choice than rudy giuliani for secretary of state? >> that is going to be mr. trump's decision. there are some very well-qualified people who have stepped up to lend their name for consideration for various positions. i think it is fabulous that we're hearing from former members of the house and the senate and former
administrations who think that and want to be considered and see if their skill set is right for solving these problems. and that is a credit to mr. trump and the way he carried forth his campaign and the way he and his team are entering into this transition. >> right. it's certainly the president's choice. no question about it. you said you always tell your constituents, you might not like my decisions, but you always know where i stand. i'm asking you, can you think of somebody who's better than rudy giuliani? >> i think that there are several people who are equally qualified and would do a great job. rudy giuliani would send a powerful message and would do a wonderful job either as secretary of state or whatever position he chose to take or whatever advice he gives. he's very thorough. he's very measured. he is very collected as he makes a decision. he does a good job of going through those steps i just articulated, defining those problems and deciding what is
going to be the best way to address them. rudy giuliani also understands that you lead people, you manage assets. and there's a difference as you go about building relationships around the globe and within the country in order to help lead this nation. that is a very important understanding for individuals to have. >> representative marsha blackburn, thank you very much for giving us perspective from inside the trump transition. >> always good to be with you. have a great day. >> you too. alisyn? >> well, more trump cabinet choices could be revealed today. will there be any diversity? we'll take a closer look at that next. but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number. don't miss the semi-annual sale, going on now. sleepiq technology tells you how you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! give the gift of amazing sleep.
a truly ominous warning for the people of aleppo. they just got a mass text message telling them to prepare for their city to be bombed and to evacuate. the text also includes a threat against rebel forces, telling them, put your weapons down or be killed. the message likely sent by the syrian government, since it is the only entity in the country capable of sending that kind of text. a jury convicting justin
ross harris of murder, this is in the death of his 22-month-old son cooper. you'll remember the child was locked inside a hot car for seven hours. prosecutors say harris had sent explicit text messages to several women that same day and wanted to free himself of family commitments. a georgia jury convicted harris on all counts following this five-week trial. he faces a sentence of life without parole. harris' attorneys say they will appeal. violence erupted at an anti-trump protest at ohio state university. take a look. this guy in the striped shirt comes down, calls the protester an idiot, and then pushes him in the back, knocks him down a flight of stairs. ohio state police quickly intervened, taking the supporter of trump into custou.s. cacusto. this is another example of what can't stop soon enough, ugly incidents from pro and anti-trump supporters. >> people are still so angry. you just keep seeing these outbursts. >> you can be angry. you can't be violent. big difference. >> great point.
president-elect donald trump facing a great deal of criticism over his appointment of steve bannon as chief strategist. so what will his other appointments look like? let's bring in cnn political commentator and former national press secretary for bernie sanders simone sanders, and senior editor for "the federalist," molly hemingway. thanks for being here. molly, let me start with you. from the names that have been floated so far for secretary of state, attorney general, for secretary of defense, for deputy chiefs of staph, are you okay with the number of women names that have been floated? >> i imagine that donald trump is looking to fill his cabinet with people who will advance his agenda. if we're speculating about the sex or sexual orientation or race of the makeup of that cabinet, to me that's much less interesting than the actual views of the people he's considering. take someone like richard, who's being considered for a u.n. post. it would be more interesting to talk about his foreign policy
views, what he thinks about america's posture globally and the fact he worked for president bush and also mitt romney, suggesting some kind of continuation. to me, those are much more interesting questions than who he sleeps with. >> got you. so you want to get to the substance of it. what i hear you saying is you would be comfortable if he had an all white, all male cabinet? >> i think what people need to realize is this kind of focus -- i mean, we don't know who his cabinet will be. we don't know the names of the people. >> hold on a second. we do know the names floated. these are from insiders. let me throw up, for instance, the deputy chiefs of staff, kellyanne conway, one woman. david bossie, reince priebus, jared kushner, hope hicks. so far in terms of attorney general, secretary of state, secretary of defense, no women's names. all i'm asking is are you comfortable with that? >> we're speculating on the makeup of a cabinet. i think most americans care
about his agenda than this type of distraction. >> so you are comfortable with it. can i just conclude that? if he had an all-male cabinet, you would be comfortable. >> all i care about is who he puts in and who will be advancing his agenda and what we can learn from that. i think it's almost silly to think that -- i mean, and also it's silly because we know from the makeup of the names that have been floated that already there are people being considered black, white, straight, gay, male, female. to have this kind of focus after we already know that there is that diversity is particularly odd. >> beyond dr. ben carson, who else black is he considering? >> i'm not -- i don't want to speculate on this. i want to wait and see who he is putting forward. then we can talk about those people and the views that they have, and that would be far more interesting and important. i think we should be a little more serious at this time about the significance of a trump administration and those ideas. >> okay. simone, should we wait until after they are named and announced to talk about them?
>> well, i agree with mollie on one thing. we should be serious about what mr. trump is doing, planning to do with his administration. i really do believe that representation matters. planned parenthood has this hashtag, we won't go back. we cannot go back to a time where women, people of color are shut out of positions of power. i think it does matter if there's a substantial amount of women in his cabinet. women make up 50% of the population. in congress, they're only 17% of elected officials. that's a problem. people of color, one person of color isn't going to cut it. one lgbtq person isn't going to cut it. we have to demand more. >> what about what mollie is saying? basically this is all gender politics. it matters what they stand for. doesn't matter if they're male or female, gay or straight, black or white. >> what they stand for, and i do believe it encompasses their background, who they are, where they grew up. people of color a lot of times have different perspectives, women have different perspectives. i think that matters. again, we cannot go back to a
time where women and people of color are shut out from the people's house, the highest house, highest office in the land. that is the white house. >> mollie, there is a feeling we've come far as a country, where lots of different types of people are now represented, and that if it were to be an all-white or a predominantly male cabinet that they wouldn't be representative of the country. >> i think there's very legitimate concern about making sure there is some diversity in the cabinet and having different perspectives and particularly as a female conservative, i notice that a lot of times the view point of women on tv is almost uniformly liberal, therefore not representing the vast landscape of women in this country who don't all share the same sort of lock step liberal views. i get this. and this is important. >> well, this will certainly not be that. this cabinet would certainly be conservative women. i just want to make sure that we're on the same page, that you do want -- i'll just ask you.
do you want a woman's voice represented at the highest levels? >> see, the only thing that matters is what their views are and what their agenda is and what they're going to put forward. that's the only thing that could possibly matter. and you can have women who do a very poor job of representing women's views and men who do a good job. also, women aren't all the same. we have different views of about all sorts of things. >> which is why we need to be represented. mollie is right, women are not all the same. black people are not all the same, which is why we need to be represented. whatever people think about president obama, he's made it his duty to make sure his administration is representative of america. that means it's black, white, lati latino, native american, women, gay, straight, transgender, different religious backgrounds. that's what makes america. there have been many tests of mr. trump already. in my opinion, he's failed at naming his chief strategist, which has alienated not only people of color and some democrats, it has alienated
people in the republican party. now you have the opportunity to fill a cabinet with people that look like america. i think representation matters. the hundred black men always say what they see is what they'll be. we need to see women in the administration. we need to see black people, latinos, asian americans, native americans in the administration. that matters. and mollie, it's okay to say it does. >> go ahead, mollie. >> if the media really are concerned about diversity, i think they can look inward, particularly after this kind of election where they so misread everything that was happening and start putting in newsrooms people who don't share all of their same views. start putting in newsrooms people who do represent different parts of the country and who don't disdain and mock different people who aren't like new yorkers and people in washington, d.c. >> mollie, how does the media mock meal who don't live in new york? >> did you pay attention during this entire election? >> go ahead, mollie. how did we mock people who don't live here? >> the entire tenor of this conversation was there was no
explanation for supporting trump other than you were a racist and a bigot. that was repeated over and over again. there was never an effort to actually understand -- >> not on this show. not on this show. we never called anybody a racist. i did a dozen panels with trump supporters where i traveled to meet with them, they traveled here. we had our finger on the pulse of trump supporters. i talked to scores of them and represented how they felt and broadcast that. so maybe you're not watching our show, and that's fine. but i refuse to say that the media was racist during this. >> alisyn, it sounds like she's more concerned about diversity in the media than diversity in the trump administration. and that in essence is a problem. yes, we needy versety of sentiment in the media as well. but i absolutely believe it is okay to require, to request, and to demand that the people's house, that the trump administration look like america. >> okay. fair enough. more diversity everywhere. thank you very much, ladies, for this debate. what is your take?
good ideas don't matter if people don't hear them. >> that was president obama calling on his party to do some soul searching after donald trump's upset win one week ago today. what direction will the democrats take? here to weigh in is the woman who says she tried to warn democrats how voters were really feeling. democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. good morning. >> good morning, alisyn. good to see you. >> how did you try to warn fellow democrats about what voters were feeling? >> well, i think the reason anybody that didn't talk to me over the last 18 months, i even said it the last time i was on the show, were assuming michigan was going to be fine, that michigan was competitive, and we weren't connecting with working men and women. certainly not what i saw in the state of michigan, and i wasn't in the other states and was missing. we weren't connecting with working men and women across this country. >> and why was that? why weren't democrats connecting better? >> i think people took it for granted. we have to be a voice for those
that have no voice. cultural issues are important, but we have also been the people that have fought for working men and women. and the fact -- they don't want a lot. they just want to make enough money to live in a safe neighborhood, put food on the table, to be able to have health insurance, go to the doctor when they need to, afford their medicine, and educate their kids. for too many americans, that's beyond them. and they don't believe anybody's fighting for them right now. they think the system is rigged, and they heard in donald trump somebody caring. they knew -- they're tired of partisan bickering. they wanted to shape things up. they don't agree with a lot of things he said, but they thought he understood better what was impacting them every single day. >> but again, how did democrats miss that? do you think they just took it for granted that white working class people would always be with them? >> i think too many people did take it for granted. i think a lot of people have missed the fact -- okay, the economy is doing better. i mean, president obama and president bush, by the way, both of them saved the auto industry. but saving the auto industry
didn't translate down to the individual worker because they're not making as much money. the purchasing power is less. i think one thing a lot of people miss is how frightened people are about their pensions, about whether their pensions are going to be there. i have a whole group of teamsters which are throughout the mid west, not just in my district, whose pensions have been cut 60% to 70%. they put their own money into those pensions for a lifetime and they're not there. that fear, that anxiety, that insecurity is in their hearts and their souls. >> you say that you were infuriated, is the word you used, when the hillary clinton campaign basically glossed over or skipped michigan. that now appears to be a major tactical error. did you try to sound the alarm when it was happening? >> let's be clear that was the primary when i was infuriated. everybody knows -- anybody who knows me, knows i'm not quiet if i'm concerned about something. i express -- as i said then and
said to the clinton people, bernie was in my district ten times. i got a visit from president clinton a week before the election in a grocery store. they were there at the end. they came in the weekend before. i saw hillary on friday and the president on sunday and president obama on monday. and it wasn't just my state. i didn't realize she hadn't been to wisconsin. i think it was -- we forgot the base. we forgot that we've got to be out there showing working men and women that we understand their issues, that we're going to fight tfor them, fight to kep that pension safe. we're not showing them we understand their health care has gone up, the prescription drug costs have gone up. we weren't talking enough about bread and butter issues that impact working men and women across this country. >> so now that voters have shown they don't trust the democrats to deal with those issues,
what's the way forward for democrats? >> well, i think we've got to -- i mean, it was in this election that -- i'm going to say i would not use the words they don't trust democrats. i think they wanted to shake it up. they were tired of all of this bickering. i don't think they had a lot of confidence in either of the establishment parties. they view donald trump as change. i think we've got to work on the -- trade is another issue, by the way, that he totally tapped into them on. we've got to show them that we hear what they're worried about. we got to figure out how we're going to show them we're fighting on the issues, just like even protecting social security and medicare. now we're hearing they want to privatize medicare. we got to be the voice that fights that and make sure it never happens. >> last, congresswoman, do you support keith ellison to lead the dnc? >> i love keith ellison. he's my dear friend. i've learned i'm going to see what the full field is. i'm in a process of listening to
everybody. i want to make sure we're all going to come together and pick somebody that's going to unify us. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, thanks so much for being on "new day." making first contact, president-elect donald trump and vladimir putin have now spoken. what does this mean for the future of nato and americans' national security and this relationship? all of that is next. ♪
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stepping down. her exit means the s.e.c. will become even more shorthanded. just two of its five commissioner seats are filled. gridlock in washington preventing the senate from confirming obama's >> one of many problems. christine, thank you very much. president-elect donald trump not shy about criticizing the u.s. military, the iran nuclear deal and even nato during the campaign. now that he's president-elect he has the power to change some of his words into action. so what will he do? joining us now is phil mudd, cnn counter terrorism analyst, former cia counter terrorism and mark hertling and former army commanding general. thank you for being with us. mr. mudd. >> good morning. >> clearance for the kids. what's your concern? >> i don't have a key concern right now. i think it's odd.
i have not seen anything like this before but let's change the conversation for a second, chris. >> no, answer my question. what are the issues? >> well, will you be quiet? the big ugly -- you need to be quiet, son. i'll give you an education. >> go ahead. go ahead. >> here's the deal. the president-elect has key advisors who have helped him during the campaign. in this case those advisors happened to be his kids and his son-in-law. they go to the intelligence community and say i want these advisors with me during a national security briefing. what's the intelligence community supposed to say? we're going to decide who gets in the room and who doesn't? i think they have to go along and give these kids, these young people some security clearances because they don't tell the president who he can bring in the room. >> general, do you see how i bring people onto the show to educate others even when they're personally abusive of me? do you see the dedication to my craft. >> you're a consensus builder, chris. >> thank you very much, sir. your opinion i actually respect. general, let me ask you another
thing that's popped up. president-elect donald trump speaking on the phone with vladimir putin saying it would be good to normalize relations with a country that is a known mall factor and is believed to have just hacked e-mails to influence the u.s. election. positives and negatives of this development? >> well, the positives are is he's trying to build con sentences census like you are with phil mudd r5rding friendships, engagements, relationships. mrs. clinton got slammed for this a few years ago when she had the reset button. the bad side of this, chris, is nato is very concerned about all of this. the 26 of 28 countries of nato are in europe and many of them are feeling the ill effects of russia. we're talking poland, ukraine especially, some of the baltic countries. those are critically important. you mix that with mr. trump's former statements about what he's going to do with nato, not looking for the return on the investment of what we do there but basically just a money down line. that's very disconcerting.
and nato does a lot of things. counter piracy, cyber warfare, intelligence sharing. all of those things are important. >> phil mudd, what are you hearing from the brothers and sisters in the intelligence community, donald trump had been outwardly negative towards the status of intelligence gathering in the united states during the campaign, does that matter to them or are they just about the job? >> i would say both, chris. most of them are just about the job. you're trained to go in the office and say whoever the american people elect, we support them. that said, in the coming weeks there will be some critical points that they focus on, namely what is the interaction with intelligence officials and president-elect trump or president-elect trump now that he is presumably getting frequent or daily intelligence briefings. how do they treat them in the room? what kind of questions is he asking? the key question, who gets to be assigned the director of the national intelligence and cia director. if they turn out to be political hacks, that's a problem.
if they're pros, i think the intel guys will sign up. >> more definite impact of the words used during the campaign, influencing the perspectives now during the administration. maybe acutely felt by you, general, when you head to ukraine. there's so many sensitivities at play right there right now especially where russia is involved seeing how it's been in a negative insurgency for well over a year. what do you get from people about what they're worried about based on what they've heard? >> yeah, i've had a lot of input from people in europe, chris. that was my last assignment. i'm going to ukraine at the end of this month. the government and military officials are very concerned about mr. trump, but i think as the president said yesterday, that will pan out. he's making all of these appointments to the various government agencies. you've been talking about that the last couple of days. the defense department is a key one, but what i'd suggest is there's not only the secretary of defense he has to appoint but there are 250, about, 250 to 300
sub deputies and under secretaries in the defense department and all of them, to use a business analogy, have a market orientation. that's going to shift radically when mr. trump comes on board many people think. so if you're talking about it from a business perspective, he's talking about a major corporation, the defense department, which is going to change market orientation and at the same time fire 250 of their executives unless he asks some of them to come on. that's going to be somewhat significant and it causes some concern among the various nations of the world. >> then you have the difference between talk and what happens when he's actually president. >> right. >> nato was something that was a very big point of inflammation for donald trump. he was being provocative about it and then after meeting with president obama, the president came away, phil mudd, with the idea that donald trump understands the importance of nato. do you think there will be a lot of that going forward, that what he said may not reflect what he does during his administration?
>> absolutely. if you look at key areas, for example, the iran nuclear deal, it's going to be difficult dealing with the europeans, the chinese and russians to wiggle off the hook of that deal. our engage nmts nato. syria, there is something the president-elect can do immediately when he's in office. do you decide to stand down in support of the syrian opposition and work with russia to come to some sort of solution to the civil war there? i think there is a chance that executive action there by the president could flip u.s. policy on its head as soon as he takes office. some of these other areas as i mentioned, nato and iran, i think reality is going to trump, as it were, the fiction of the campaign and he's going to move less than what he talked about. >> wow, what do you make of that notion of the united states disengaging with the rebels and working with the russians in syria? do you see that as possible? do you see that as positive? >> well, that's going to be tough. i kind of disagree with my brother phil on this one because what you're talking about is
there's one thing between policy decisions that you say, hey, we're going to shift the way we look at things, but there's a lot of folks on the ground, chris, who have been fighting this for a very long time. getting that word down to the bullet -- the trigger pullers and the bullet launchers, that's a whole lot different tuations. yeah, i kind of agree that there is the potential for advances in many areas of foreign policy but, again, you know, president obama said yesterday this is like an aircraft carrier, an ocean liner, not a speed boat. mr. trump has to figure out that you have to look at long-term strategy and all the alliances, not just one at a time. you know, winston churchill once said the only thing worse than an alliance is not having an alliance. there's a lot of interconnections between these different countries. >> also one thing when you're on the outside criticizing the status quo. it's another thing when you own the status quo. >> right. >> phil mudd, thank you very much. general hertling, thank you for balancing phil mudd. we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. i think it's important for
us to let him make his decisions. >> it's very important. he's loyal to people. they're loyal to him. >> fight over key appointments to the cabinet. >> the reality is that steven bannon has led one of the major racist websites. >> this is all about achieving president-elect trump's agenda. >> good ideas don't matter if people don't hear them. >> i am deeply humiliated. there needs to be a profound way in the way the democratic party does business. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> got anything good there that you're reading? >> yes. i am reading about what we're seeing happen now whether this is real fighting or whether there's media saying there's in fighting. >> we're going to get to that. welcome to your "new day." tuesday, november 15th, 8:00 in the east. up first, the fight or so-called fight to fill the cabinet. sources tell us two factions, the ultra conservatives and the
establishment republicans are clashing over the key cabinet posts. this morning vice president-elect mike pence will be heading to trump towers to speed things along. >> president obama is going on a foreign tour. greece, germany, peru. after his meeting with donald trump he's going to have his first news conference after that. what will be his message? what will he do to try to reassure americans and foreign allies about what donald trump will be as president? cnn has every angle covered. let's start with sunlen serfaty. >> reporter: good morning, chris. trump transition officials describing the meeting between donald trump and mike pence as serious giving they are nearing some final decisions over top cabinet positions but inside the broader transition team there is already an internal struggle over these big decisions between the more traditional republicans on his team like reince priebus and steve bannon, the two power centers in trump's world. the battle for appointments to
president-elect donald trump's cabinet being called a knife fight and buffoonery within his transition time. with traditional picks between west wing and key national security posts drawing sharp internal disagreements. >> i think you'll hear some additional appointments. >> today trump and vice president-elect mike pence are hunkering down reviewing a list of contenders. the positions to be possibly nailed down as early as today include secretaries of state, education, commerce and treasury. >> he's a nightmare and he's the chief advisor to the president of the united states now. >> reporter: this as the appointment of steve bannon as trump's chief strategist continues to draw sharp rebuke. critics citing his ties to the white nationalism and white semitism. >> the general of this campaign and frankly people should look at the full resume. i'm personally offended that you think i would