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that does it for us, thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. you are looking live at trump tower where the president-elect is choosing the team that will shape america for the next four years. that as a parade of white house hopefuls are spotted at trump's fifth avenue headquarters today. familiar faces from network news sitting down for an off the record session. but with just 60 days to go until the inauguration, donald trump has a rocky relationship with the entertainment world. and he's not laughing at moments like this from "snl." >> you're going to do everything, right?
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>> yes, sir. >> let's get right to jessica schneider at trump tower, also, senior media correspondent. >> good evening, jessica. donald trump met with a number of cabinet candidates today, over the weekend, including some democrats. but you have some new information about trump's potential secretary of state pick. what do you know? >> you know, don, two names at the forefront tonight. mitt romney and rudy giuliani. romney, a critic that is now playing nice. giuliani a long time loyalist. newt gingrich seems to be getting in on the lobbying efforts. he talked to reporters after his own meeting with the president-elect. saying, rudy giuliani has a huge advantage. he called the former new york city mayor a fighter. seeming to make a jab with mitt romney, alluding to the fact that romney isn't nice enough. the world is not going do change just because we show up and say please. however, mitt romney is still a strong contender for secretary
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of state, v.p.-elect mike pence saying this weekend, that romney is under active consideration for that secretary of state post. don? >> jessic car, trump released a video tonight laying out his legislative priorities for his first 100 days, tell us about that. >> well, yeah, don, two weeks into this after the election, we still haven't seen a press conference from donald trump, he released that 2 1/2-minute video online tonight. he talked about trade, energy, immigration, and ethics reform. he didn't get into any of the specifics he had gotten into on the campaign trail like building that wall or deporting illegal immigrants. he did talk about immigration, saying he's going to direct the department of labor to look into visa programs that in his words undercut the american worker. don? >> thank you very much. i want to get to brian salter now, the trump team releases this video. he still hasn't held a traditional press conference
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since he won the election. is this at all unusual? >> we're going to get tired of using the word unusual. so much of what's happened in the last two weeks is unusual, and that's going to be true for months to come. normally when a president is elected, they have a press conference within a few days. that's a precedent going back to the 1970s, as you know, it's been almost two weeks. no sign of a press conference on the horizon. kellyanne conway said it would happen soon, it's unclear how much power any of trump's aides have to effect this thing. >> it's what they criticized hillary clinton for during the campaign not holding press conferences. >> today trump met with network executives and anchors, who did he meet with and what did they talk about? >> the good news first, there was some progress made about media access. the bad news, however, is that trump vented for a long period of time about how he's covered unfairly. these were representatives from cnn, abc, nbc, fox and cbs. including wolf blitzer, chuck todd, george stephanopolous, et
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cetera, et cetera. also, network executives were there. trump used the time to complain and bash the media. it turned positive, but this was described as the new york post as a firing squad meeting. donald trump acting like he's on campaigning for president, not acting like he's really the president-elect. >> sounds like what happened on the campaign trail, the crooked media. thank you very much. i appreciate that, i want to bring in david gergen, cnn's political analyst, rebecca byrd. let's talk about these names being floated. mitt romney for secretary of state, general mattis for defense secretary. gabbert meeting with trump. are we seeing signs trump may go beyond loyalists? >> we may. let's see how it comes out with mitt romney versus rudy giuliani, i think that's going
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to be a major test. it will be a surprise to me if he offers it to mitt romney. it will be a bigger surprise if mitt romney accepts. general mattis would be an excellent choice for him. i talked to a number of people who have been in the defense arena. they have enormous respect for him. he's seen as not a loyalist, but will become a loyalist. >> is it striking to you at this point, it's been all older white men, and how important is diversity to have a diverse cabinet? >> i'm sorry? i'm not sure where that was directed. >> it was you, david. >> okay. well, i fit the old white guy category. the -- listen, i -- i think it's extraordinarily important to have a diverse cabinet, what we know from a lot of research now. is that if corporate boards include three, four, five women, have you to get a real nucleus there, the performance of the
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board goes up, and diversity of viewpoints especially in today's complicated world, is extremely important. in canada, an enormously popular prime minister trudeau. more than half the people in his cabinet are women, so i think that -- we always knew mr. trump likes white guys around, i think it would help him around if he had more diversity. >> are you surprised he hasn't had more diversity? >> i'm not terribly surprised by it. over the course of the campaign, one of the key aspects of his candidacy was to throw out political correctness and not pay heed to these considerations. it doesn't surprise me at all, particularly, seeing who was surrounding him over the course of the campaign. was mostly older white men. do you -- we're only one pick in, in terms of actual cabinet picks, we'll see how this plays out. but i think mr. gergen raised a key point about loyalists, donald trump likes people who are loyal to him, and he has a
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fairly limited pool of folks who he can draw from, who he knows has been loyal since the beginning. >> he's looking at executive actions on trade, on energy, on regulations, but on immigration, he never mentioned building a wall. he never mentioned obama care, what do you make of this message? >> well, i think he's mentioning a lot of things in this video, that he'll be able to accomplish quickly. we're talking about the first 100 days, of course, donald trump wants to be able to present these goals that he can realistically reach and report back and say, i laid out these goals, i've accomplished them. the fact of the matter is, when it comes to immigration reform in particular, this is something where congress is going to have to do most of the heavy lifting, and i think we're in a place now where -- i mean, we saw donald trump on the campaign trail, he promised america the moon, and seemed to suggest that he would be able to get it done with the snap of his fingers. now, he's been elected president, and i think he and
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his team now recognize that governing is hard, it takes a long time. and immigration reform in particular, because it's going to be so contentious, and also very complicated. could take a while, could take longer than 100 days, and certainly congress is going to be very involved in that. >> never having a press conference so far. what do you think of trump's relationship with the media. will he be like? what will it be like once he takes the oath of office. if you have a crystal ball and guess. >> my donald trump crystal ball is always kind of murky. the point that has been made, donald trump likes to have an adversary, the adversary over the course of the campaign was the media and hillary clinton, now it's the media and the democratic party. the democratic party isn't particularly strong, there's not lot of opposition he's going to face on capitol hill. he has the media there as this thing he can push back against. he just tweeted about the media and how the media is misrepresenting his business interests.
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>> he's tweeting, saying, prior to the election, it was well known i have interests in properties all over the world. only the crooked media makes this a big deal. isn't the that what he hit hillary clinton for? >> precisely what he did. >> now it's the crooked media. >> he didn't release his tax forms, not only that, things have changed since the election. he won be the election, he's going to be president. we need that information now more than we did then. >> down is up, up is down. what do you think of this? >> i want to add one other aspect to these two tweets he's put out tonight. the first one is unbelievable. he's been out talking to british leadership, about not putting up wind farms off his golf courses. obviously using the new president-elect power to negotiate for his commercial interests. beyond that, he put out a tweet which was really surprising to me, basically saying, it would be great if the uk would appoint mr. ferrage to the ambassador
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of the united states. >> let me read it. >> yeah, put that up. >> many people would like to see nigel farage represent great britain as their ambassador to the united states. he's the man who led brexit. >> he's the man that led the brexit campaign and led britain out of the european union, and then stepped down from that position. but he is a man who is much hated by governments across western europe that are now facing some populous movements of their own. angela merkel, for instance, the government of france, the government of italy, all of them are facing the populous movements, and for donald trump to weigh-in to the middle of that, embracing mr. farage says a clear signal, hey, you're punks, i don't respect you. and the most important thing with the american policy has been the transatlantic partnership.
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president obama just went to europe and said, reassure the europeans, donald trump will be a great partner. then he puts a stick in the eye by saying, my great friend is mr. farage. >> who has been loyal to him. >> yes, he was. when we come back, more about the alt-right in this particular year and season. and donald trump's possible business conflicts as well. ♪ just look at those two. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico... well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? oh, helzberg diamonds. another beautiful setting. i'm not crying. i've just got a bit of sand in my eyes, that's all. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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donald trump insists his children will run his businesses when he becomes president, and he won't be involved at all. is that pledge enough to avoid potential conflicts of interest? before we get to the business, i want to ask you this, members of the alt-right, really a euphemism for white supremacist. they've met up for a conference in washington over the weekend, lauded a trump victory, all while spewing racist and anti-semitic speech. take a look at this. >> hail trump, hail our people, hail victory. [ applause ] >> here's what the trump team is saying about that, president-elect trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind. he will be a leader for every
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american, to think otherwise is a complete representation of what led americans united from all backgrounds. is that specific enough in this statement? shouldn't he be clear who he is calling out here? >> of course, it's not clear. donald trump is trying to have it both ways here, i don't think he'll be successful. he puts out statements denying there's any racism, sexism or any other things we all find so abhorrent. thank goodness, we want presidents to do that, on the other hand he's appointed steve bannon as one of the two most powerful people in the white house. one of the most powerful people in washington whose previous company, he was executive chairman of it, breitbart, that it was the main platform, the main platform for alt-right. and now here comes alt-right, and we see their true lors, they have this conference in washington. it's overtly racist, overtly anti-jewish, anti-semitic, it's overtly against women.
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and it is overtly white supremacist. this is a white nation, we're not going to lose it, we're going to reassert ourselves. our motto has to be concur or die. what kind of signal does that send to people of color? you know this much better than i do. to muslims, women, jews and everyone else. it's exactly the wrong signal. he's trying to have it both ways. i don't have anything to do with racism, and yet i have steve bannon in my bossom in the white house. you can't have it both ways on this issue. he has to be clear as incoming president, i want him to succeeds, i believe -- it's important, i want -- i worked in the white house. i believe in the success of our president. you have to uphold certain norms and sort of set standards for the country that people can go to sleep at night without worrying about -- their best friend or family member is going to be deported the next day, or treated harshly.
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>> clearly phillip, his team and he are not that stupid to believe that this doesn't matter, they're not trafficking in racism and bigotry by doing this? >> right -- >> are they trying to make us believe something that is -- >> i think bannon is a good encapsulation of this issue for the reasons that we just articulated. he called breitbart a platform for the alt-right. >> i'm not of that. >> exactly. trump is trying to do the same thing, having folks who are enthusiastic supporters of his, and not slap them on the hand too hard, but still have them be part of what it is he's doing. that statement is so weak. this from a guy who spent months railing against hillary clinton can't come out and say, those racist nazis that were just in d.c., that's not me, stay away from me, that's not what i'm about. >> it may not matter that he is
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insulting people of color considering how many people of color voted for him, roughly 7%. >> this isn't just about who supported in donald trump. >> i am saying maybe in his mind. or the transition team's mind. i think you're right about the first part of your statement, go on. >> this isn't -- even for them, i think in their minds, their thinking, moving forward, this really is about everyone. and so they're keeping their base happy is obviously important, but also, making sure that the needs of all americans are served. and if we're going do -- this is what they've said they will do, if we're going to take them at their word. but so far, phillip and david, i think are exactly right, they're not addressing this head on, but i would just make the point that we are giving this outsized attention now in the media. these few incidents with neo-nazis. this is still a very small share of trump supporters. that's an important point to
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make, we haven't expected barack obama to come out as president every time one of his supporters says something hateful and address that, i'm not sure we can expect that of president-elect trump every time a room of a few dozen people says something hateful like this. >> is there a parody here between those two things? >> listen, i respect what rebecca said, most of what she said. but the fact is, that mr. bannon represents and has sent out a lot of signals to people, as someone you should be scared of, as someone who supports policies that are going to represent this administration, that it's going to be harsh on mush limbs, withdraw basically support for social justice in a criminal system, and it's going to downgrade that, it's going to go after people in various ways. i have people crying in my classroom, people who were grieving about what's happened.
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mostly, they're scared. they're scared for their families, they don't know what this means, i'm sorry, when the alt-right is taken as seriously as it is, and we begin to normalize this conversation, to say, it's all right to do neo-nazi kind of rhetoric and we're just going to accept it, it's part of who we are as americans. no, it is not all right, to be neo-nazi in this country. just as -- if we're going to raise those spektrs, just remember when people didn't rise up against the nazis, when 24er7 in their midst. it's not right, and the president himself has to be the standard bearer of this, he has to be seen as a president of all the people. that's what we want. >> i totally agree with that, david. >> he has to be abrasive and inclusive. >> at the same time, you don't want to give unnecessary oxygen to some of these hateful rhetoric. and it is -- >> it's breitbart that gave them the unnecessary oxygen. breitbart is what helped give them the platform. >> i'm talking about these neo-nazis in washington. >> thank you, interesting conversation, i appreciate it,
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as donald trump works to staff up his incoming administration, he's under fire from some celebrities. joining me on my panel -- the author of the '60s. years of hope, days of rage. i can't wait to have this conversation. michael, before we have this conversation, do you think he cares that he has a contentious relationship with hollywood? or does it really matter? >> no, i don't think he cares, i think he invites and courts the relationship with hollywood. that said, he has a great relationship with hollywood. he knows all the moguls. it's a weird kind of thing of him being very tight with this community while at the same time, making it his foil and his
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enemy. >> he's at the center now of this culture war with hamilton, friday with the vice president, and saturday night live, and then sunday was the american music awards. i want to get your reaction. >> first of all, i find it remarkable and maybe even hilarious, that a man who ran his entire campaign with a string of insults, lyin' ted, crooked hillary and on and on and on, that he takes offense at an actor reading a statement in a theater to his vice president and finds that deplorable. i find this stupefying, you may say hypocritical. >> what do you think? we talked about hamilton friday night. and i thought that the american people may have been trolled in the media a little bit, clearly the vice president and the campaign had to know, by showing up at hamilton, considering the play and who's in it on a friday night, that something like this
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might happen. >> oh, yeah, you could bet on it, all you have to do is look at "people" magazine or whatever the junk is on television, about celebrities. america has a total love/hate relationship with celebrities. how do people stay celebrities nowadays, not by doing great work, but by playing the game, the tension, the fallouts, the hate, the make-up, the kiss, the hug, the slug. and trump is a genius at this. consider for a moment the idea of having your fundamental moral stance about anything criticized by broadway actors. i mean, it's absolutely wonderful. pence must have been amused by it. i'm amused by it. and i love the wonderful smog of smug that has arisen around
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being against trump. for one thing, it ignores the fact that most americans weren't for trump. they were against hillary. even though she won the popular vote. we have to get rid of that phrase, popular vote. -- >> yes, we -- >> yes, but we have to get rid of that phrase, popular vote. there was nothing popular about either of these candidates. >> let's come up with a better term. >> you're right about that. i want to get joel in here. what do you make of the events friday through sunday. >> it's weird people think he's doing this to distract people from something else. he's doing it because he's thin skinned. we keep thinking he's going to become presidential. when he entered the main part of the campaign, he would become a
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different person. he's always going to be this person, he's always going to be furious at everybody, and he's never going to be a president that is of the ilk we've had before. we're never going to be able to be proud of him. >> did you want to say something? >> i couldn't disagree with that more. i don't think he's thin skinned, he's incredibly strategic. he's doing the things now that proved to be successful during this campaign. he sets up us, literally the media, who does he run most against? he runs against the media, because we do the -- he sets us up, we do the predictable thing, and that plays to the people who have espect elected him. >> can he be thin skinned and play the media at the same time? >> yes, he can. >> we were told this was a statement by an actor.
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it was my understanding, the statement was written by the author of hamilton. so the man shows he has contempt. >> it's worse than that, now we're into the plot of the producers. >> it's not a plot, it's an evaluation, it's a plea. it's a description it's an honest gesture to the vice president elect and the president thinks this is a defiance of proper authority. >> no, he doesn't think that. he thinks -- >> this guy -- >> what he -- he acts as though, this is an opportunity to tweet something that will get your goat. >> he's not really a bully, he just plays one on tv? >> exactly. >> that's his job. that's literally what he does.
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>> the job of the president of the united states? >> well, that is the job of the constitution. >> i didn't -- a reality performer, the times have moved on. >> he's god's gift to the -- >> we've needed it for so long to find out, to discover that politics is a tragic comic performance art. which is why any sensible person, conservative tries to keep politics out of his or her life to the greatest extent possible. this is what happens when you let our kind of politics that we've developed in america, into your real life, you wind up with a trump. >> no. >> i'm flabbergasted, i don't know what to say. >> conservatives don't have real lives that are concerned about the destiny of the country and its values? >> of course we do, but we're not going to use up all our huffing and puffing ahead of time, to show how superior we are to people who did vote for trump. >> i don't think i'm superior to anyone -- >> i don't know anybody -- i don't know anybody --
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>> you think you're superior to people who voted for hillary clinton. >> i don't know anyone who voted for trump. i know a bunch of people who voted against hillary. i don't know anybody that voted for trump. >> the vote for this bullying, lying conartist. >> you might consider how there are -- you might consider how there are a lot of people in this country who feel continually insulted and -- >> i am well aware of that. >> by the world of the elites. >> we should cow tow to their worst -- >> i don't say we should cow tow, we should save up a little of our indignation, until somebody does -- >> hold on, michael. >> i'm going to let you -- >> i got to get to a break. michael will get the first word out of this break.
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all right, back now with my panel, we were talking about, i guess a culture war. donald trump and the culture war. the war on media, we tried to give you --
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>> i said i was going to forget what i said, which i have. but actually i remember now. and todd was saying it's really about what are we going to do with these people who have voted for trump, and formed a -- >> he said, we appeal to the worst of us, is that what we do. >> i think that trump did. >> i think the reverse works also. these people -- the people who have elected donald trump, are now looking at us the way we've looked at them and saying, there's something wrong with these people. these people don't reflect our country, they don't reflect our values. >> meaning the people in entertainment? >> yes, the -- whoever we are. yes. >> i want to put this up, we're also talking about hamilton.
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this is what donald trump tweeted after mike pence, the president elect went to hamilton friday night. the cast should immediately apologize to mike pence for their terrible behavior. by the way, it's the hottest ticket on broadway. >> one of the reasons mike pence wanted to go, i would imagine. >> he spoke about the importance of safe spaces. the theater should be a safe space. doesn't anyone else find this hilarious? >> me, excuse me. >> the whole idea of the theater. >> it was dangerous and edgy. >> thank you, i agree with that. but i was in the middle of the sentence. it goes on to say that he is beaten the drums against political correctness, he's been scathing about all these manifestations of it on campuses, many people have, i have written critically of myself. certainly all of these poor
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wineny people need safe spaces, and his big strong vice president needs a safe space in a theater, where people are supposed to talk and argue and do what they feel like doing, because we have a first amendment? suddenly donald trump emerges as the prince of decorum, doesn't anyone find this really odd, the man who thought in the good old days we beat the crap out of people, and knock them cold? >> joel. i want you to respond to this, i hear you're chiming in over there. i want to play the sound bite about brandon dixon, who is from the cast and his reaction to what happened on friday. this is his reaction. >> the conversation is not harassment, i was really appreciative that vice president elect pence stood there and listened to what we had to say. i know some people have said a one sided conversation or a lecture is not a conversation, but it was the beginnings of a
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conversation, i hope that we can continue to have. >> if you want to be president-elect of the free world to todd's point, shouldn't you have a thicker skin and listen to the people who you're going to be representing? no. >> he doesn't have a thicker skin, he used the debate to yell at rosie o'donnell. he's not trying to play us in the media. the tweets right before this, were about how great trump university was, and he settled. a normal politician would throw a dead cat on the table and try to distract us from everything else with this hamilton stuff. i think he's just pissed off, and he will continue to be pissed off during president over and over and over again. like he has been for his life. >> i suppose we can look forward to many such eruptions. >> this benefits everybody. nobody's a victim here, it's good for trump, it's good for hamilton, it's good for us, the media, because we can't stop talking about it.
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>> all good. >> no, it's bad for america. >> bad for america and exactly -- which is the point. >> why is it bad for america? >> i want to say something about bad america. >> who said it was bad for america first. hold on, p.j. was it you who said it was bad for america or joel? >> it was me. this is idiocracy. we're talking about, you know, it's cool to say in a broadway theater to a vice president. we are unable to have a discourse as anything but an insult argument. >> p.j., to the point we're not talking about trump university settling for $25 million and then him saying it's great. >> we could talk about the trump foundation, a fraudulent operation if ever there was one. >> and we're not talking as much as we could be about the alt-right, which i'm interested in all of you, i'm wondering, is this a rebranding, which i've heard from many conservative
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politicians who have contacted me and said, this is just a rebranding of hate, racist, the klan, and all of a sudden, they're alt-right, and people are denying that they have any affiliation with them, or they're giving them a platform. >> alt-right is a cool way of saying white supremacist. >> it's a big country and there's going to be hate in it. >> oh. >> i spent 20 years as a foreign correspondent. i'll take you some place and show you hate. and it ain't here. i'll take you to somalia, and you know something interesting about all the hate in somalia, they happen to all speak the same language and belong to the same tribe. >> so you put -- >> i don't think we can compare ourselves to somalia -- >> let's not overstate the case about what's going on. >> the swastika is not made up here, there are swastikas in circulation, there are hispanics
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being beaten up. >> of course there are. you get a country this size, you are going to have hateful people. >> our political parties are big trees and big trees attract squirrels. there were some up hillarys, there were quite a few of bernie's. and there are a whole bunch up trumps. we're all agreed the guy is lousy. the thing to do is -- what do you do about it, i mean? >> you denounce the lousy. >> i for one let him -- >> of course you do. and then you denounce the lousiness. >> i'm listening. >> what do you do? >> i'm list thing to your denunciation. >> what he's going to do spectacularly and quickly. >> let's remember the man will be the president of the united states. he will be, even if you don't like him, if you don't like him, if we all don't like him. >> yeah, you're not going to be able to change that. >> we won't be able to change that, and he will do -- i have
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lived through a lot of lousy presidents. nevertheless, they are presidents and it's sort of the job -- at least the job of the journalists here, to figure out what kind of presidents they will be in spite of their lousiness, what they will do, what they will accomplish, good, bad, actually, maybe even good things from lousy people. >> it's not the job of serious journalists to tottieing up to a bully. >> it's not. it's figuring out what's going on. >> you can't understand him if you deny what's in front of your eyes. >> you can't understand him if you deny what's in front of your eyes? what exactly -- >> were you in the trump campaign. did you miss mr. khan, did you miss lyin' ted. did you miss this whole thing? did you miss the nonstop -- >> and then he was elected president. >> and, therefore, we should --
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>> now, the emperor has clothes. >> therefore, we should say that i is elected president, that's the way this democracy works. >> i see, and we should kowtow? >> not a matter of kowtow. >> we should la bot mize ourselves. >> you don't give all your power to politics. >> this is what is going to happen now, a set of events are going to unfold. and it's -- they will be horrifying, interesting, worthwhile. go across the spectrum, you want to figure out how that's going to happen. >> joel, i'm still bummed that p.j. told me to be happy, because it's better than somalia here. >> that's a good place to take a break. >> it's thanksgiving, you want to be thankful for what you've got. >> our conversation continues right after this break. energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third
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soy we're back with my panel and we do talk on the break. you can put them back up. michael, you said it more articulately than i was expressing during the break. how do you react to everything that's been brought up? a lot of it by donald trump and
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his supporters. >> everything is different here about the -- he's a different kind of president, a radically different kind of president. the way he got to be president is radically different from the way anyone has ever gotten to be president. the split in the country is something we've never seen before. so i think the real question that everybody is asking from all -- from different points is, and it is a question we can't really answer, is what does this mean. and what does this mean, answering that is what's going to happen over the next many months and probably years. >> but to his point, for marginalized people, for women and for people who were extremely offended by some of the since they had on the campaign trail, that donald trump said himself, that came from his mouth, do you -- and the media who was called out a lot, do you expect them just to go along and say, okay, that's all forgotten and the media should ignore he said things that were bigoted or
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misogynistic? >> nobody has to forget anything. if you are offended and you think that there's a crisis, then you're obliged to do something about it. but there's another thing in which the nature of the debate may change, and that's one of the things that happens in an election. you can continue to say, no, but my point, my point, my point, but at the same time when things change, you may have to say, okay, i have to modify my point or i have to think about it in different ways now. one of the things we saw about a good part of the country clearly doesn't understand the way we in another part of the country have articulated -- just as a for instance, all of the various ways that we've carved identities. >> go ahead. >> donald trump does not understand america. donald trump does not understand
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the first amendment. donald trump does not understand the struggles that people have gone through in this country to earn their way into the ranks of those who are entitled to equal treatment. donald trump is contemptuous of american values. internationally we are now an object of pity and horror. the world looks at this aghast, and to deny this and to say, well, he's a different kind of president without saying the kind of president he is, is a president who has contempt for the constitution. he wants to change the like bel laws. he is an author tearan. he wants to rule as he sees fit. he has no peers to tell him to stop. this is a very dangerous situation. i cannot blow it off by saying simply he's different. >> p.j.? >> yeah, but huffing and puffing about it doesn't change a darn thing. there's a major lesson to be learned. >> you don't want to change -- >> there's a major lesson to be
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learned here. >> which is? >> tremendous fool as this becomes president of the united states, should we maybe examine just how much power we have turned over to the executive branch of our government? >> we can agree on that. >> is it time for some adult supervision? i mean this is a far deeper question than a question of how much of a fool trump is. i mean he's going to show us how much of a fool he is. i'm hoping that he will -- well, i don't know. i'm hoping it will be a pretty big fool because i don't want somebody out there pretending to be a conservative flying my flag and doing the kind of things he is doing. >> i don't believe he calls himself a conservative. >> of course, i don't want to wish a crisis on the country so i don't want to wish him toob too horribly foolish, so who knows. >> okay. >> but i think the big point is that no one should hold this kind of power. >> joel, you will get the last word. >> yeah, if you campaign on anger and insult, you're going to govern on anger and insult. i don't know how that works for
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four years, but it's going to be ugly. >> someone else gets it, when we have a little bit more time. you will get the last word. >> i will take the last word because i think it is one of the interesting things. you said he doesn't understand america. one of the things about this campaign is a good part of the country saying to us, us -- >> yeah. >> -- that we don't understand america. so i think it is sort of a debate about what is the nature of this country, what should be the dominant culture, what should be the lesson that we all take from being americans. >> one of the lessons is we don't put up with tyrants. >> yeah. isn't america all of this though, including, you know -- >> yes, and the tyrants should not be given room to roam recklessly as they will. >> thank you. fascinating conversation. i will have you guys back the next day. if you want to stay the next hour, we'll have you.
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60 days to go until donald trump takes the oath of office. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. as the president-elect meets with potential members of his administration, he's trying to keep his distance from the most controversial supporter. >> hail trump, hail our people,
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hail victory! >> racism, anti-semitism, even what appeared to be nazi absolutes, all on display in the nation's capitol this weekend as members of the so-called alt-right celebrate donald trump's victory. president-elect's transition team issuing a statement today saying he denounces racism of any kind, but is that enough? is hate on the rise in america? we'll talk about that. let's go right to cnn's jessica schneider, at trump tower for the latest from there. another busy day in the transition. what's the latest, jessica? >> reporter: you know, don, donald trump meeting with a lot of people today. also late tonight rolling out a list of his priorities in the first 100 days. he released a 2 1/2 minute video where he went into his policy proposals. he talked about framing it as making -- putting america first in terms of job creation and innovation. he also laid out snippets of his policy proposals on trade, reiterating his pledge to


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